Why the Falklands want to stay British
by Emma Edwards / 29 Apr 2011
In November 2010, journalist Peter Preston set out his opinions on the future of the Falkland Islands. He urged Her Majesty’s Government to “Ditch The Falklands” and to start discussing the possibility of shared sovereignty with Argentina.
Twenty nine years ago this June, British Forces liberated the Falkland Islands from Argentine invasion. Since that time, there has been much discussion and conjecture over the future of the Islands; however, in public debate at least, seldom have the views of the Falkland Islanders themselves been sought.
With impending Argentine presidential elections, oil and gas exploration, and the 30th Anniversary of the Falklands Conflict, next year, all likely to attract global interest, the issue of the Falkland Islands and their future will continue to be debated in newspaper columns in the UK and elsewhere. But what do the people that live there actually want?
One area that the people of the Islands are all agreed on is their right to self-determination. This value is protected and promoted by democratic powers the World over; the Falkland Islands are no different.
Falkland Islanders are often described as being ‘more British than the British’. This assumed stereotype fails to take into account the varied backgrounds and culture of the residents, including a sizeable Chilean population as well as Americans, Canadians and Russians.
There is often criticism from some commentators that in this age of austerity, the Falkland Islands is a financial white elephant. This is something of a misconception. Given that the defence of the Islands falls under the control of Her Majesty’s Government, there is the cost of maintaining the British Forces Garrison, which is borne by the UK Government. Outside of this, the Islands are 100 percent economically self-sufficient, with a highly successful fishing industry, a developing tourism sector and oil and gas exploration being undertaken in Falkland Islands waters. To dismiss the Falkland Islands’ place in the family of UK Overseas Territories on financial grounds alone does not make sense.
On 23 October this year, Argentina goes to the polls. President Cristina Fernandez-Kirchner is likely to seek a second term in ‘La Casa Rosada’ and is likely to reach for a comforting and well-used political crutch in the run up to polling day to help rally support for her re-election - the ‘Malvinas’ question.
Falkland Islanders are accustomed to political rhetoric emanating from Buenos Aires, but recent moves by the current Argentine Government are conspiring to make every day life difficult for Islanders. Rising food import prices and non-cooperation over fisheries management are just some of the areas in which Buenos Aires have looked to increase tension. Despite these moves, the people of the Islands remain resolute in their desire to not only determine their own future, but to trade with South America and seek normal relations with the Argentine Government for mutual, practical benefit. It is a source of great regret within the Falkland Islands Government that relations with Argentina have deteriorated since the 1990s, when significant progress on cooperation was made.
Once again Falkland Islanders are preparing to find themselves in the world’s spotlight, but this time we hope that at least our wishes are clearly understood; we are Falkland Islanders first and foremost, but also wish to remain an integral part of the British Overseas Territories community.
Source: www.totalpolitics.com
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For it may be easier to put your foot down with Argentina now, rather than after trouble starts later, but that’s only my opinion,
Argentina is like a 1,000year old mummy holding on tightly.
All wrapped up, and nowhere to go ?
A highly successful ILLEGAL OVERFISHING industry, nothing more than exploitation of Argentine resources.
“and oil and gas exploration being undertaken in Falkland Islands waters”
An oil fiasco that produced nothing but water.
“On 23 October this year, Argentina goes to the polls”
Doesn't matter who goes to the polls, no Argentine president has ever renounced to our sovereign right over Malvinas. No Argentine president would be any less resolute than the current one.
The “Falklands” are THE UK.
The “Falklands” are A COLONY.
The “Falklands” are the gateway to more than 5 MILLION SQUARE KILOMETERS OF SOVEREIGN ARGENTINE TERRITORY CLAIMED BY THE UK… INCLUDING ANTARCTICA.
THE CORRECT NAME, IS ISLAS MALVINAS, ARGENTINA.
Correct, though I'd rule out minerals if it's the Brits trying to extract them.
lol ptolemy
Correct, While the Falklanders are blind/ getting blind folded by drinkin the UK's version of koolaid, served by the UK and it's people.
Really, then how could they be on the C24 list?
“The “Falklands” are A COLONY.”
Not according to the UN...
“The “Falklands” are the gateway to more than 5 MILLION SQUARE KILOMETERS OF SOVEREIGN ARGENTINE TERRITORY CLAIMED BY THE UK… INCLUDING ANTARCTICA.”
I think you'll find that's British territory claimed (rather unsuccessfully) by Argentina.
THE CORRECT NAME in Spanish IS ISLAS MALVINAS. The English name for the place is the Falkland Islands.
Not according to the UN... Decolonization Committee? lol
Why did you stop at “UN...” J.A.? ;-)
1. Dagos are liars.
2. Dagos are cheats.
3. Dagos are thieves.
4. Dagos in South America dare not take their claims to the ICJ.
5. Dagos deserve to die.
The islander's are entitled to determine their own future and there is nothing that Argentina can do about it.
Aww the dagos are bleating again, somebody pet them on the head and tell them they are a good dago; they keep trying to hump the Falkland Islands, but the chains ensure they can't reach, so while absent minded they piss up their own kennel, and scratch at all the wrong doors, indeed any door other than the one clearly marked ICJ.
Best thing would be to put the dago down, since we smacked its arse in 1982 it has been a little bar steward, but the muzzle of it's own Peronist development has kept the dago toothless since then, and it can't find its little dago way, best to pity all the fleas it carries with it.
Do you know why the Germans call you Inselaffen?
Let me help you a little bit, Island Monkeys, civilization did not reach these islands yet.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpWUVkl9dXM
These people are demented.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dago
We're Argentine. ;-)
And you're still demented.
Your govt. cannot put in place nobody have you noted that? You are powerless and in decadence.
You cannot control you own territory and you want to support others?
Briton wake up your times of glory went to the drains long time ago.
Ha ha you are very funny guy, really you are...
Ukistani making jokes? bad humour really bad.
Perhaps, but there is no sign of your country managing to drag itself out of the gutter !
Show me a UN document which refers to the Falklands as a “Colony”. Just one.
God, you are thick as Marocs.
Nico - It is better to have had glory and lost it than to have no hope of ever having any. I suppose you thought 1982 would bring you glory when all it brought was embarrassment.
Now run along children.
Beef, beef, beef you have to work harder to embarrass an Argie especially someone like you and coming from Uki a nation which had lost 3 wars against us. What make you a pretty looser have you noted that?
I don’t want to mention football because you even not exist in the world of first class.
So you are not good for wars, not for football, not producing things, and it is really in doubt your ability in finance after the mess of your banks in Uki.
So these drive me to the following question...
What are you good for? I know stealing, squatting, cheating, lying, smuggling, drug trafficking, pirating and invading other peoples weak countries.
But really do you have something honest to be proud of?
Umm I guess not..
So as I’m concern about your poor image, especially for someone like you who make his living by giving financial advice, to think twice before posting stupid things. its for your own good.
Think about it. Do you?
“...this is black, sticky and combustible water. In English we call that substance oil.”
Would you be willing to provide us with actual numbers? How much of this black sticky stuff has actually left the Malvinas Basin to be processed?
23 Rhaurie,
”you were humiliatingly gang raped by a rowdy Stag do in Amsterdam :)”
I don't know if you're just really young or completely demented. Your comments are equality idiotic regardless of the issue or who you're talking to.
Mercopress is ok with gang raping, apparently.
Which important wars have you won ???????
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4779479.stm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_invasions_of_the_R%C3%ADo_de_la_Plata
“In some ways, Argentina has much to thank Britain for: a war which led to her independence. Furthermore, some of the British, and Irish, prisoners-of-war from 1806 and 1807 decided to stay and took part, voluntarily, in fighting the Spanish military machine elsewhere in South America, securing the independence also of Chile, Peru and Ecuador.”
So the Islanders have much to thank Argentina for: A war in 1982 that gave them economy progress, better education, tourism, attention from Britain, citizenship, etc. Wow! look how many things we have done for the Islanders.
And Britain has a lot to thank Argentina: We waved their debt, we provided them with food when they were starving, we have created their modern buildings, etc.
I think we should invade them 2 more times to be equals so they can thank us even more.
Some new punctuation marks in Brits history made by Argies would be good I think.
@Redhoyt
“NiceButDim - we won the won in 1982 ..... the important one!”
Important for you may be, Argentina had many wars in history and only one lost.
Difficult to understand for someone that cannot win a war and hardly with the help of Uncle Sam.
What about cards? do you think you can do better?
True, if it wasn't for the war they wouldn't even be British citizens. But I'm not as ridiculous as they are about the fall of the Argentine military junta, their citizenship and their improved economy was a consequence... not an objective on our part. Just like the fall of the military junta... not their objective.
May 10th, 2011 - 10:35 pm
Strange how you seem to think that we are a colony because we are british. Perish the thought but if you owned them they would still be a group of islands detached from any mainland and would effectivly still be a colony.
The hard facts are that The Falkland have always been disputed but we will proove to the world that we the Islanders are the rightfull owners. That said whay are you also claiming the soiuth georgia and south sanwich islands they have always been in british ownership. Argentina apart from a short period in 1982 have never inhabited those islands. Fact is your Country is greedy and while it clearly cannot look after her own people they want even more. Fact also that your lot could not survive our climatic conditions. Why that was made abundantly clear when thousands of conscripts shown to the world wre half dead while they were here. Yet our British forces romped in very high spirit right accross the country ( oops sorry Colony) and were fit and strong enough to complete their mission. This dispute will never go away as long as there is this wierd Country called Argentina I know it and you know it. So why the hell don't you just get off your whinging block and accept us for the culture we are . I often wonder would your country be so ready to bully us had we been North Americans. Chances are you would be groveling to them for assistance isn;t that what you already do. Default on debts seem to come to mind.
Oh and I do know the meaning of a dago it is something we used to joke about with our chillean friends so I sugest you might ask your neighbour on that one.
Oh and while writing we are still British and still exploring for that lovely black stuff . Lovely Juvely.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War
“Argentina apart from a short period in 1982 have never inhabited those islands.”
Clearly you've been brainwashed to believe this and know nothing about history.
“Fact is your Country is greedy...”
If that isn't the stupidest thing a Brit can say I don't know what is.
The UK has laid claim to half the world throughout history, but WE are greedy. lol Please tell me you're joking...
Tell me Brits, would you say that Argentina has taken an expansionist approach?
farmlandgrab.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/1252641808_8cb370643a_o.jpg
Believe me Kelper, I'm being incredibly polite with you... mainly because you're incredibly ignorant.
Ohhhh...I see... you were trying to be clever. You can't even get your geography right. You are actually thicker than Marcos...dear dear dear!
In terms of the sea lion discovery in the NFB we already have had the low estimate upgrade. These four drills will tell us what we need to know and then we can think about moving towards production via FPSO.
1592 the falklands were discovered by Captain John Davis BRITISH and Argentina was not even a twinkle in the eyes of Spain And in all due respect You are the brain washed one because your military dictators imposed on you from your early schooling that we the kelpers do not exist.
No you cannot claim to be polite because in my lifetime your people have been anything but polite. You simply cannot live alongside any neighbour without putting pressur on them. Most of your neighbours have been pressurised into siding with you lot but of course you may not be educated enough to actually know that.
I personally do not care how your Country came into bieng nor mine for that matter the fact is I was born on these Islands so I have a birth right as I suspect you do in your country. So as far as I am concerned and the vast majority of my kelper people we are in fact the rightfull people to live on and own this land. Just like you done when you colonised ( oops that word again) Argentina when your ancestors brutely murdered the indigionous people of that land. Yes I do read my History and I do know it very well. We have never lied in our History making unlike your loot thay lied to you as children and that is what I feel more sorry for.
There happens to be a lot of very decent Argentines who share our views they are the ones who refused to be brain washed. Fact is this whole issue is just a political one and I am sure you know that too.
Your Country should not have sent innocent young men to die here or cause the death of other innocents. I notice in this paper that Unasur wants to achieve a “South American continent united and in peace by 2020”
You really think that is going to happen when Argentina is right in the middle waving it's sabre.
The one thing that could sort this whole issue out is direct dialogue with one another but agin your powers refuse to recognise us don't they.
Who? Which Argentines?
How old are you? If you don't mind my asking...
“Interesting read about our history with Argentina - I do believe though we should be handing the rights back of the Falkland Islands to Argentina. What right do we have a on these islands that our over 6000 miles from us.”
Paul Taylor, Maidstone
”A very onesided view of history, no mention of deporting the entire population of the Islands to the Argentine mainland! Is it right that the British Government continue to pay (mostly English) British farmers to work on the lands on the Islands in order to uphold the idea that the Democratic wish of these people is to remain British? they are hardly likely to want to anything else!”
Pat Lee, Belfast
Beef, Your wife gave you a good description of my hidden anatomy down below.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpWUVkl9dXM
Paul Taylor, Pat Lee... spot on.
Hardly any need to comment, just read it... that's it.
Why The Falkland Islands will never be Argentine
By Professor Carlos Escude
2003
It is sufficient to talk to any Buenos Aires cabdriver to understand that the Argentine people know that the Falkland Islands will not be ‘recovered’ by Argentina. The only locals who appear not to understand this basic fact of life are a group of war veterans, a small bunch of nationalist fundamentalists, and practically the entire lot of Argentine politicians.
Needless to say, however, in so doing the politicians are cheating and lying. The great majority of these politicians know that the Falklands will not be Argentine again, but they choose not to acknowledge this for fear of losing votes.
Indeed, within Argentina’s ‘political class’ there are two types of lies regarding the Falklands: the benign and the malign ones. The Falklands discourse of the late foreign minister Guido Di Tella was plagued with paradigmatic examples of ‘benign lies’. He wanted Argentines to believe that Argentina was going to recover the Falkland Islands through peaceful means, ‘seducing’ the Islanders while accumulating a sufficient number of national successes so as to actually make it convenient for the average Islander to accept Argentine sovereignty. Di Tella did not accept the Islanders’ right to self-determination, but he was conscious of the fact that if Argentina did not succeed in making itself an attractive country, it would be impossible to get the British Government and Parliament to accept a transfer of sovereignty.
Pat Lee is simply wrong, the British government does not pay anyone work on the lands, nor are the farmers 'mostly English', anyway farming is only a small part of the economy.
Hope that helps boys.
;-)
Basic fact of life... hahaha oh please stop Kelper, for your own good. I can google up a billion statements from Brits who think the Malvinas should be Argentine if I wanted to. We only posted two and you overreacted, talk about insecurity.
Keep fishing Kelpers...
Hit a nerve then :-)
a billion statements from Brits
and i told you a million times not to exaggerate
Whey then is this malign lie consistently repeated when the issue of the Falklands is debated? The answer would appear to be that, in Argentina, a perverse political dynamics is at work whereby professional politicians fear that to say the ‘painful’ truth about the Falklands (ie. that they will never again be Argentine) will make them lose votes to politicians who continue to engage in the fantasy that the Islands will be recovered. If politician A admits publicly that the Falklands will not be recovered, he or she will lose votes to politician B, who by continuing with the lie will succeed in reaping political profits from primitive popular emotions.
The end result, of course, is to the detriment of the country itself. But when politicians consistently sell their souls to the popular vote, that is of little or no import.
“The Falklands were seized for Britain in January 1833 during an era of dramatic colonial expansion. Captain John Onslow of HMS Clio had instructions ”to exercise the rights of sovereignty“ over the islands, and he ordered the Argentinian commander to haul down his flag and withdraw his forces. Settlers from Argentina were replaced by those from Britain and elsewhere, notably Gibraltar. Britain and Argentina have disagreed ever since about the rights and wrongs of British occupation, and for much of the time the British authorities have been aware of the relative weakness of their case.
Regardless of the islanders' wishes, the issue of sovereignty will at some point have to get back on the agenda”
Richard Gott
The Guardian
you can do better than that cant you
When the spooks get a grip Richard Gott`s KGB links are another blow to a battered left
www.independent.co.uk/opinion/when-the-spooks-get-a-grip-richard-gotts-kgb-links-are-another-blow-to-a-battered-left-says-neal-aschers-on-1387129.html
“Ditch the Falklands”
“It makes no economic or political sense to hang on to the Falklands, but no one will face the truth”
Peter Preston
The Guardian
In 1983, the paper was at the centre of a controversy surrounding documents regarding the stationing of cruise missiles in Britain that were leaked to The Guardian by civil servant Sarah Tisdall. The paper eventually complied with a court order to hand over the documents to the authorities, which resulted in a six month prison sentence for Tisdall,[34] though she served only four. “I still blame myself”, said Peter Preston who was the editor of The Guardian at the time, but he went on to argue that the paper had no choice because it ”believed in the rule of law
Spotted the common denominator yet Marcos? You plank.
@43
“I can google up a billion statements from Brits who think the Malvinas should be Argentine ”
Cool, do so. Let's see how much closer it gets you to your objective......
Marian still digs out obscure comments to try and support a position that is really undefendable. The majority of the British population know that the islands are British and will fight another war if Argentina tried to go for the hat trick. A few obscure left wing journalists think otherwise, but that's left wing journalists for you. Even the ex-editor of the Guardian admitted that his views were very much in the minority.
Jerry - it's OUR comb :-)
...and do what Jerry? whatever you choose to think you know about it the Falklands are our home, what would you do in the circumstances? eh mouth?
Hm... Jorge Luis Borges was a self-adoring idiot who learned English before he learned Spanish. His opinion was not highly regarded, except among those individuals who were equally indifferent.
Not much else to say about these stupid Kelper farmers either and their simple minded “sweeping statements of truth”....like “Jerry - it's OUR comb”.
They don't know anything other than what they want, dumb parrots.
Quit talking about war Redhot, as if it was yours alone to declare. Go play war strategy with your other senile demented friends.
And Westis... quit trying to make it sound as if Argentina would take away your home in some horrific mass genocide, exaggeration is your only resource and it's pathetic. If anything you'll better off, you'll be fully linked to South America which is WHERE YOU F@CKING LIVE.
Stupid Kelpers, too stupid for their own good.
I love your power of logic and analysis.
In your first paragraph you say that Argentinean people know that “the Falkland Islands will not be ‘recovered’ by Argentina” and that the cause of Malvinas is just a matter of a small bunch of veterans and nationalists.
But in the second paragraph you say that politicians pursue with the cause because they are afraid of the lost of votes. ????
So can you tell me how a small bunch of veterans and nationalist can intimidate any politician in Argentina to think that will lose votes? This is really stupid, the politician should be member of the party SboVNoCfM (Small bunch of Veterans and Nationalists for the cause of Malvinas) and even though with this much cannot form a legal party in Argentina. Ha ha
@ Redhoyt
Accept it you are the loser down here doesn’t matter how you twist it, no European imperial power won a war against us on our soil. Ask the Spanish, the French, etc. and dig in your own history.
Britain's 'forgotten' invasion of Argentina
Sorry but there is not a digital pic available but here a good picture of the humiliated British force surrendering to Argies local militias.
www.cementeriobritanico.org.ar/wpimages/wpcc17e76c_0f.jpg
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a9/Invasiones_Inglesas.jpg
And what you say about Argentina formally didn’t exits is also applicable to United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland a New entity legally formed in 1801 trough the union acts of 1800.
So according with you UK never was in the F/M islands before because technically didn’t exit
Can we have nicely our Island back, thanks.
I love your power of logic and analysis
Ask the Argie who wrote the piece
Be free to insult my mother as well but at least have the decency to dig her up first and insult her to her face.
Clearly nothing is sacred to Argies, Marcos is a clear example of the cowardice that is part of the Argentine identity.
On the other hand Argentina did not exist in 1806 or 1807. Only in a revolutionary mind's eye in 1810. Not as much more than BA even in the 1830's.
As far as we are concerned, Argentina did not appear until 1825.
You hardly exist even now !
I have no idea which islands you are refering to. ”Back' suggests something you've had before, but the Falkland Islands Argentina has never owned - so you cannot mean them.
Jeez, what is it with you guys? How could Britain have invaded Argentine in 1806/1807 when Argentina did not exist??
This just shows what a loose grasp of the facts Martin and NicoDim have...
When Did Argentina Become a Country?
“When did Argentina become a country? Argentina officially became an independent nation in 1816. Of course, Argentina existed long before it became an independent country. The history of the country, and the gradual development of the nation’s identity, is both interesting and complex.”
“Argentina became a country:
* The capital of Argentina, Buenos Aires, was first founded in 1536, so this can be one answer to when Argentina started to become a country.
Argentina signed a declaration in 1816 and became the first country to gain official independence in Latin America.”
I hope this clarifies your doubts, one thing is the official declaration of independence and other is when a country or a nation is formed. So doesn’t matter was our name at that time VRR de la plata, United province, Argentina or Argelina. We kicked your @ss many times and we will do it again and again its you role in this game.
So mates the score is still 3 Argies 1 Brits.
Playing with formal names will not help you to understand reality.
And for the cowards running when see a bayonet I remember you guys that Uki forces lost 260 men in battlefield, 777 were wounded, 7 warships was sank, 25 helicopters lost, 11 fighters lost, 115 prisones were took,etc, etc.
What anyone in the world will call a bloody nose. Sniff, sniff...
Look how easy Brits surrender when seeing a professional Argie soldier.
es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archivo:CaboBatista.jpg
No bad for someone that runs when seeing a bayonet. haha.
I can see Dr. Beef running like a sheep and hiding in the bush when seeing and Argie soldier in front of him, haha
You are so funny really I want more to continue laughing, Next time can you write in English please?
Stay with it nicotine, the best bit is when the Argies fall over each other getting back to Stanley
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhLzDC6bLPE
The FACT is no such thing called “Argentina” existed in 1806/1807. It was an invasion by Britain of Spanish territory, so nothing to do with Argentina. Oh and it makes no difference when BsAs was founded, because in 1806/1807 BsAs was a Spanish city, in the Spanish Empire, belonging to Spain.
You can spin it whichever way you like, it doesn't change the FACTS!
We'd be better off would we? how exactly? Your final sentence is hardly reassuring as an indicator of how the Falklands as the most isolated province of Argentina would be treated. If the shithole that is Rio Gallegos is a representative indication of how you run the extremities of your country then I reckon we'll just stay as we are, thanks for the offer.
As for your casualty figures ..... you LOST ! Says it all !
Losers !!!
Jealousy just pure jealousy
Oh to be British
Swarve-sophisticated-brilliant-admired-respected-feared- ahh the charisma just runs off sleeve
Poor Argentina she so dreams of wanting and admires us,
mmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
66 and will it reach 100
What's more they lost defending the best defensive position in the history of warfare. they've garrisoned islands a few hundred miles off their coast, they've had weeks to prepare, shipping in whatever munitions, troops and hardware they need, their opponent is on the other side of the world and any retaliation will have to be a small task force that'll HAVE to sail within striking distance of their mainland. A girls choir could have successfully defended the Falkland Islands under those conditions......and yet they lost.
I believe (funny enough) that it is the Argentines who are the stupid ones. Their government continue its campaign to destroy the Falklands economy and decrease the standard of living to a similar low level enjoyed in Argentina. Agitating the inhabitants of these islands and creating many more generations of dislike and mistrust towards Argentina. This agitated and (so-called) “stupid” population are the only people who can settle the dispute of ownership of the Falkland Islands through the human right of self-determination (which is granted to everyone on the planet). Yet Argentina continue to go down the path of pushing the Falklands away and pushing them closer to Britain. The reasons reasons behind this Argentine political strategy must be either (1) complete stupidity or (2) be fully aware that the “Malvinas” can never be recovered, and therefore must appear strong in the eyes of the voters. Because lets face facts, the more Argentina steps up its campaign of isolating the Falklands, the further its gets from its final objective.
I do want to invest & purchase all Falkland Island area oil firms' shares.
I do believe this area have rich reserves...
Would you become senior consultant to me by full salary + bonus ?
By the years 1800-1820, the Spanish Empire was crumbling to pieces and the British chess-playing guys in London knew exactly what they had to do: either entering South America by force or by a system of cunning alliances with one S.A. country or another at different times. Always with one clear goal in mind: “securing the rich natural resources and free trade with the Spanish American colonies.”
Guyana, Belice, Trinidad y TObago are cases where they secured sources by force. Their policy of “Divide and Exploit” the Birtish applied whenever direct use of force was not possible. Examples: after failing to invade B.A. in 1806-07, they stooped to the eastern side of the River Plate, and “stirred the pot” in the Province of Uruguay helping it become detached and independent from Argentina. Then they stirred the pot to trigger the independence of the Republic of Corrientes-Entre Rios, then, with the southern states of Brazil, they later helped the BRazilians gain territory at the expense of Argentina´s territory. Later the British stirred the pot to trigger the Triple Allinace War in which Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay joined forces (backed by British interests) to destroy the rising Paraguayan industry. They crippled that country to scraps and since then they havent recovered much.
Later the British helped and backed the Chileans in the Guano War in 1879-1883, forcing Argentine neutrality in exchange for the 1881 Treaty of limits between Arg-Chi by which Chileans secured the Western part of Patagonia.
The Roca-Runciman Pact in 1933 is another piece of evidence of the Brits domination of Latin America. Malvinas is another
I wouldn't go bleating too much about the Roca-Runciman Treaty, Argentina was the 4th wealthiest country on the planet when that was signed.
....“when they defeated the Spanish Armada in the naval battle of Trafalgar”....
Get some decent history books and throw out your miskate ridden Argie propaganda tomes. You complete tool.
''defeated the Spanish Armada in the naval battle of Trafalgar'' ?? Mwaaaaahaha
You complete plank. What a shining example of the Argentine education system.
I can't even be bothered to read the rest of it.
www.funny-city.com/3417/
Beef, If you spit into the sky, it falls into your eye.
”Later the British stirred the pot to trigger the Triple Allinace War in which Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay joined forces (backed by British interests) to destroy the rising Paraguayan industry. They crippled that country to scraps and since then they havent recovered much.“
translation:
”It's not our fault we massacred all those Paraguayans. It's those nasty Breeteesh. They made us do it”
FFS Gotey, grow up!!
The evil empire www.amazon.com/Evil-Empire-Britain-Ruined-World/dp/1594741735/ref=pd_bbs_sr_5/102-4769531-1244955?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1173197955&sr=8-5
The world should really take notes about who is the real enemy of the free world.
So thats what you get when you type, mens bottoms,good to see your other hobby helps you in your fight to reclaim the Falklands
www.funny-city.com/3417/
You seen what people who have read this book have to say about it Nico:
Most favourable review: “My belly hurts from laughing so much”
Most Critical review: “Awful, racist and ill-researched”
21 Reviews
5 star: (4)
4 star: (3)
3 star: (0)
2 star: (2)
1 star: (12)
:-)
www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/jul/23/congo.comment
www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/11/assange_claims_suing_guardian/print.html
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www.stinkyjournalism.org/editordetail.php?id=1171
To summarise;
Some people, including some Argentine bloggers, an American born again Christian with bad spelling, and some Guardian journalists, possibly also with bad spelling think that the British Empire was a Bad Thing.
Some other people, including most British people and members of Commonwealth countries all over the world, think this may well be partly true but has little or no bearing on the way we live now.
Have I covered everyhting?
And not, Argentina.
How often do argy bloggers even praise their own country,
Just how many great things has she done?
How many good things can they say about Argentina, [10] [100] [possible
All we need to say is just one word.
Just one word tells the world everything [good] or [bad]
Just one name, which every country has heard of,
Yes you guessed it, BRITAIN, that’s all we need, just by being British,
The bad uncivilised, nasty, unworthy , liars , and the rest of them, all condemn what they cannot beat, competitively or military, just all mouth
but that’s ok, slag us off all you want, because as long as we are British, we will always be better than you,, in the past, in the future, and today, so rant and rave all you want, because that’s all your worth,
Argentina the country that had it all, and lost it, then spends every waking day blaming the British ,mmmmm oh to be British.
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www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/jul/23/congo.comment
You can deny history, many of the nowadays conflicts and disputes around the World are directly linked to the British Empire invasions and atrocities.
An like the article says “ atrocities must be recorded and remembered by society as a whole”
Many military officers, including former presidents(self elected) are heading to prison in my country nowadays, what about yours?
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1282553/Bill-Bryson-British-culture-self-absorbed-greedy.html
And I would like to add, squatters, pirates, superficial, self-inflated, greedy, liars, cheaters, smugglers and with bad teeth.
imageshack.us/photo/my-images/154/teeth08xo.jpg/sr=1
britishteeth.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/noel-gallagher-bad-teeth.png
@briton
“Just how many great things has she done?”
We have defeated you 3 times, we humiliated you so many times in football and polo.
That enough for me to be a proud Argie haha who cares about the rest.
You always will be our sons so shssss Briton you are talking with Argies the people that had kicked your ass many times and will continue to do so as long you don’t become civilized.
we humiliated you so many times in football and polo.
yes with the hand of god, and a polo with a hole in it,
very clever ?
Too many of those we let go just fell apart. Those that didn't mostly joined the Commonwealth.
Dim - you still getting confused between Argentina and Spain I see. Dim and dumb !
Education? Where?
You are correct I made a mistake. The name Spanish Armada was used to refer to the 1588 war around the British Isles and this was the key battle that decided the domains of the high seas. The 1805 Trafalgar battle was between the British navy and a SPanish-French navy which defended the interests of Napoleon, and ultimately that British defeat would make it impossible for Napoleon to invade Britain, and instead focused on getting domination of continental Europe with his mighty army, of course, evyone knows how he ended up, defeated by the Russian winter and later in Waterloo by the British army.
Anyway, you missed my point. The central part of my argument is that once Britain secured the high seas at the beginning of the 1800s, they focused on “a systematic policy of divide and exploit, stirring the pot in all of South America whenever direct invasion was not possible” Lord Palmerston said, “let them have their flags and anthems, we will grab them by the economic necks” AND as I said in another blog, the British were successful.
Your comments are from Wichpedia ?
Well obviously not in Argentina, Dim .... you are the proof !
I(diot) indeed offers another proof .... perhaps you would have been more developed now if you had been a British colony. :-)
Even more complicated than that Gotey, usually British policy was set against a war ... usually with France as Spain had pretty well given up by the 1800's !
In 1588 the Spanish were trying to invade Britain, presumably to add it to their empire.
Just thought I'd add that, as your 'British Imperial dogs' rant doesn't make it very clear.
before smashing their boats on the shores, those who got home stated,
that in 1600 they would remain on spannish beaches, its safer and warmer they stated, ok. ??
Yes, there are 14 British overseas territories, but they have all been offered full independence and all have chose not to take it - for the time being. Stop trying to confuse the overseas territories with the imperialism of the past, it just makes you look thick.
later in Waterloo by the British army.
not very good at history are you?
”Wellington's force consisted of contingents from three countries: Britain, Germany and the Netherlands.
Each formed roughly one-third of his army, with the Germans making the largest third, the British the smallest. Almost all of Blücher's Prussians were ethnic Germans. In the theatre in the Low Countries, 75% of the troops were German.
So what about your point? what's the relevence today? are we are to be defined currently by British perfidious acts in history? if that's the case then so can you be.....How many nuns have you Nazi-loving junta types sent out one way flight out over the South Atlantic today?
BTW regarding your little history lecture on the Spanish Armada & the battle of Trafalgar....Why the fuck did you think you needed to tell us that? we already knew it, you tool.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEx5G-GOS1k
But what about the Junta of 2 decades ago...? The Argentine posters in here always claim that todays Argentina cannot be held accountable or blamed for that period....but that was only 2 decades ago...you want us not to hold that against you while you hold 200 years of history over Britain's head...?
The Argies hypocracy is laughable. I cant believe how idiotic they are. How can you have a debate with people so deluded and hypocritical. It is like arguing with a child, you know youre right, but the child is so ignorant to the facts and assumes they are right.
And what is best is that they are so blind to the facts they will continue to live in their world of fantasy. Just because they cannot understand what an Overseas Territory is. Laughable.
And Libya? Once again the UK a part of a coalition, not acting alone. I suppose you think shooting up and killing your own people is fine? I guess you would, considering that's exactly what you Argies did to yourselves.
You don't do yourself any favours Marcos...
Whilst indulging in your other pastime,did you google transvestite and get Eddie Izzard ?
Iraq war 1- was backed by the Un Security Council - even Arab nations took part!
Iaq war 2 - a bit questionable erhaps but still a coalition of several countries.
Libya - backed By a UN Security Council Resolution.
Falklands 1982 - Argentine UNILATERAL invasion by overwhelming force of a peaceful country!
Um errr ? Marcos =********!?
You must learn somewhat “”the Art “” from UK !
www.presstv.ir/detail/179699.html
“The current unrests in the Middle East and North Africa and the following suppression of anti-government protesters with weapons and crowd control gadgets supplied by Britain has raised question”
105 Islander1
“ Iraq war 2 - a bit questionable erhaps but still a coalition of several countries”
Please, this was a 100 percent Bush and Blair war and a few fools that believed their lies. They went to war under the pretext of weapons of mass destructions in Iraq. Big lie that cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of innocents civilians, including women and children.
Big fan of Saddam Hussein? silly question, he killed his own people, bit like Argentina,mind you even Saddam wasnt nasty enough to throw women alive out of aircraft
Top 5 Crimes of Saddam Hussein
history1900s.about.com/od/saddamhussein/a/husseincrimes.htm
They did the same with dictators in Latin America.
You know these comment spots always seem to deviate away from the actual issue. Is it because most of us like a good whine or is it that no one wants to face the facts.
Ask any Falkland Islander why they want to remain British and you will get the same answer. They have the right to choose their allegiance and as it happens Great Britain and her people are truly democratic and believe in our right to determine our own destiny.
You could say the exact same think about any Argentines. They too wish to keep their own Country even though they took it by brute force. THAT is where we Islanders are different , we never killed or removed any indigenous people to get our Country. No our forefathers peaceably pioneered this great little place for their future children of which I happen to be one of the fifth generation. So it is useless to ask me anything with reference as to why we want to remain British. We are British.
To also put the record straight our ancestors were not implanted here as the Argentines keep suggesting. They just like the voyagers of a new Argentina were adventurers who took up a challenge where no others cared to go.
Early on in this debate I said there were many decent Argentine citizens who share our belief and I was also asked how old I was well I am in my late fifties and the reason many argentine critics do not believe that some of their kind actually care how we exist is because the people who care dare not speak out loudly in their own Country because they fear their very existence. That is because Argentina has no democracy where we do.
What would be nice is to be able to read the Mercopress articles and all comments that actually related to the subject. Clearly there are a few who trawl the comments sections just to stir up a load of hatred and that to me clearly demonstrates why we have such a huge political long running issue.
These debates will likely be still going long after another five generat
(as you ran out of space kelperabout)
:-)
We don't care, just return Malvinas to Argentina, you can stay if you wish or return to your “kingdom” in Europe.
Watch this part until the end “oh! We need the Falkland Islands for strategic sheep purposes” haha
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6omQ5JjjLsE&NR=1
@Islander1
“Falklands 1982 - Argentine UNILATERAL invasion by overwhelming force of a peaceful country!”
Sure you were in the axis of evil or you were cited in some US president lecturing to the world, please check it out.
Sure you are planing to create Falklistan full of radical extremists from the Middle East with the purpose to attack our western free way of life.
We need to talk with yanks about it may be we need a coalition to put some order. Who knows? Let me think...
Do you have WMD? Well doesn’t matter just it is enough we believe so. Do you use Turbans? Well doesn’t matter either, everyone know Mohameds does. Do you have oil exploration?
I think we have here a potential threat to the western civilization. What do you think guys should we call Bush for advice?
I would be searching in the bottom of the Islands if I would be you.
Look for something like “Made in Argentina” or “Hecho en Argentina” that works for me when I’m not sure or the origin of something.
You know Rodrigo that actually is a good question, there has to be a reason and I too would like to know what it is.
Truthfully none of us know, not the Argentines and not the British.
You mum gave you sage advice when you were born
“Because they don't want to be bloody Argentine”. and who would? In case you islanders haven't guessed it yet 99% of the population of ARG would sell a kidney for a British passport and the chance to get the hell out.
These weeks are very emotional for allot of people on both sides of the water down there and up in the UK. I just wish my fellow Argentines who decide to comment on this site would do so in a repsectfull way and (try) not mix football commentary with a serious conflict that left several men dead and the lives of thousands of peoples ripped apart. That alone deserves an apology. Bravado of a 20 something year old that picked up bits and bobs from here and there must clearly be to blame. It's embarrassing! We don't all think like these knobs!
Can't answer for the Argentinians but in the case of the British Government it's probably because they see no need to, they are confident that they have the right to the sovereignty of the Falklands and and have the ability to defend it so what would be the point? the idea's often used as a gambit on sites like this but AFAIK that's as far as it goes.
@113
“I think we have here a potential threat to the western civilization. What do you think guys should we call Bush for advice”
Go ahead, no doubt he enjoys a good laugh.
:-)
Now I know you said that you didn't want that answer, but the opposite - they won't go to the ICJ because they'll win seems rather more implausible.
In reality the Argentine Government has to have assessed its chances if it did take its case to the ICJ. That would tend to suggest that the Government lawyers have raised doubts about Argentina's chances of success. Sufficient for Argentina not to want to risk it.
So there is a strong probablity that the answer that you did not want is in fact, the answer !
Where are you from Moroland?
Who the hell would want a Mohammed passport?
Only and idiot would sell his organs as you say to get one of the most crappy passport in the world.
1- Are the easiest to get.
2- Are the most used by terrorist around the globe. the multi colored pot of Uki do you know?
3- They can be easy bought for a few quids in Britain and if 2800 quids is a lot for you. You can go always to the Italian mafia they made them for some euros and a photo of Maradona in Napoli. Haha
4- There are more than 20 millions of fake Brits passports in circulation just in Ukistan (ex Britain if you are not aware of)
5- A full lot of Africans, Asians, etc are travelling around the globe with Brits passports seems not so difficult to obtain for an Argie I guess.
6- If you are going to sell your organs for a passport I recommend you to buy a German or Italian may be Spanish will be also good enough and if you are broke a Portuguese passport will good enough for your expectations. What seems to be very low after reading your post.
Why an Argie will sell his organs for a Brit passport when they have granted passports and citizenship in other European countries countries?
Wow seems your are so lucky and you would not have to sale anything to get one haha
Fake British passports are on sale! www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1366233/Fake-British-passports-are-on-sale-for-7000.html
I’ve never read something more stupid posted for someone in my entire life.
(There may be some mention of that name in political local-printed maps, but we both know, really, that they're not called that.) The sooner you start calling them by their name the less you'll end up looking like a lost palestinian refusing to call Israel, Israel, or a mexican calling California, Alta California.
In any case if you're so thick to take what I said so literally then your level of pedantics and stupidity are far way beyond anything I care to get involved with. I know most of what I'm writing will go straight over your head, hence I'm not getting into a debate with this big of an idiot. Please do us all a favour and take an english class. It hurts my (our)eyes reading your rubbish and now I've got a headache from trying to make out what you're trying to say: which is basically loud angry nothings. I'd be more than happy to put you in your place in our native language but this site requests all comments to be in English. As far as that link you left for us, well thanks for posting it. I'm glad the UK highlights it's issues when and where things aren't 100% right. If a newspaper did that back home it'd either be called a liar, or attempting to overthrow the gov't. Thanks to articles like the one you chose, we can see that the UK strives to aim 100% efficiency in the way they run things. A relief that the Home Office is aware of it now. I don't need to remind you that our passport will get you into Paraguay swiftly but try getting into Europe and most travellers start to sweat. What's the use of it if so many holders are getting bounced right back to where they came from? you like links? here's one: and I trust you can handle castellano
www.clarin.com/sociedad/Rechazaron-argentina-Espana-iba-Alemania_0_358164290.html
PS:I'm sitting eager waiting to see what you come back with. I've lit up a fag in anticipation.
Ever wondered WHY so many people want to forge British Passports Nico? Cretin. Everything goes over your head doesn't it? you should go to Jamaica and become a limbo dancer.
@123
We should have warned you about that, On here if you are an Argentinian who questions Argentina's official approach to the Falklands you will immediately be accused of not being an Argentinian, usually they'll say you're a Chilean who hates Argentina, Moronland is a new one though AFAIK.
;-)
”Watch this part until the end “oh! We need the Falkland Islands for strategic sheep purposes”
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6omQ5JjjLsE&NR=1
:-)))))
a sane argentinian who understands the truth, is better that some of your countrymen who have a go at anyone who aint one of them,
anyway, welcome,
What is this, the circus? Maybe it's meant to make us laugh! I don't know!
It defies belief... it really does.
124, Ta... It appears it's the usual ones I'm getting familiar with. After what I've seen today it's fair to say I haven't got anything serious to worry about and there's no way, no way, they will ever provide me with logical reasonable evidence to support our claim. Some evidence to support our claim to sovereignty is based on Galtieri's memoirs and Eddie Izzard's come back tour in Vegas. Holy Sh!t.
On a happy note: NOW I KNOW WHY WE WILL NEVER GO TO THE ICJ!! Ta Marcos!
The beauty of this is that you guys are in “your” islands. safe, reasonably happy? things are on the up... hope you're warm...I'm enjoying a Pimms in London's gorgeous spring... and these angry tossers are foaming at the mouth trying to find their next evidence to support their case on you tube or the state's official TV network, channel 7. I'm still pissing myself...
and live in peace and harmony ,and Argentina can move on .
and that is impressive, the Falk landers,, like me and millions of others are proud to be British, i know we are not perfect, but we try, in the eyes of the world, the British system of justice is tops, alas it’s been a bit eroded lately, but we try our best to help others, sacrificing our troops among others to bring democracy to the free world, we are always first to admit many errors and get slated for it, decent argentine troops on tour for the UN, show that Argentina can be respected, patrolling with British troops in Cyprus, it’s called respect, how many argentine bloggers on here would even admit this, Argentina has slided badly down the ladder of respect over years, , it’s, sad to see a once great country being humiliated by a few deluded thugs, but i hope more of your people wake up to what is really happening over the Falkland’s, all we want is to live in peace, what a shame,, they don’t want this, but never mind, the good will prevail over the bad in the end, ,
It is refreshing to meet a reasonable and intelligent Argentine poster in here, there have been a small number, but I think the pressure of being attacked by their countrymen for displaying what they feel as your actions being a less than patriotic stance, usually chases them away, and that is sad. You will have the double blow here of actually living amongst us in the UK, you'll be accused of needing to tow the line due to some sort of local pressure, of selling yourself, or some other ridiculous accusation.
It is true that reasonable Argentine posters living in Argentina are targetted by these extremists, and that there may be an unwarranted fear of being tracked down by these ultra nationalists, by mentioning any private information regarding your circumstances. Whether such things are true or not regarding Argentina I don't know.
However, at least you're aware that such activity isn't true within the UK, and you've nothing to be ashamed about, these people making their stupid comments should be ashamed, not the innocent.
cheers
R
So will you agree now that there are many decent Argentine citizens living in your Country who believe in our right to live peacfully the way we choose.
It is a very brave Argentine who sticks their neck on the line to defend our beliefs . I know that in time many more will indeed stand up and have their say.
But the point I am making here Martin_Fierro (#) is that you are ignorant to the facts that even in your own Country there are many thousands of like minded people who would like to speak out but are fearful for their safty. Stop and think for a moment when you slag the British because if my history and indeed my memory is correct was it not the British, Welsh, Irish and Scotts who were some of the earliest settlers of your Country and is it not a fact that there are still thriving communities of these citizens scattered al over your homeland. These people have direct ancestral links with Britain so while you are haveing a go at us and Britain remember you are slagging your fellow contry men and women.
You´re right about that. I think Martin Fierro you should lower the tone a bit and reconsider. There´s many more Brits in our country than u can think of. Just think of the BA Herald, these papers date from 1876 and is still running and selling several hundreds of thousands issues around th country...
I sometimes dont know what to think about it all... who is deceiving who in this issue of the sovereignty over the Malvinas? Because, while I see for myself that some British arguments are weak, the Argentine ones are much weaker too in many respects. A case dating back to 1833...
Martin, did you know that it was not until 1861 after the battle of Pavon that Argentina got unified? That only after Mitre got to be president in 1862 Argentina was actually at least half of the Argentina we are now, and was only then ready to relate with other nations. before those years, it was all divided, there two states between 1853 to 1861. And during the Rosas years between 1829 and 1852, BA spoke for all of Argentina but the rest of the provinces were actually against him.
And, it was not until 1879 when Argentina started expanding its borderlines southwards from the Salado River in BA and the Rio Tunuyan in Mendoza, it means half the country downwards was not Argentine per se until the very treaty of 1881 was signed up with Chile...
And the fact is the Kelpers are human beings, and they have proofs they lived there for 200 years....
to topi it off, to make matters worse, the stupid Junta invaded the islands in 1982..
What do we really expect? ...
I think Argentina should not even take the issue the ICJ, should simply say sorry for the mistakes and then head on to build constructive relations with both the Malvinenses and the British. THIS is a realistic way and brave way to go.. And dont come to me with all the crap of patriotism vs imperialism, there are winners and therere losers in this.. and we are the losers on this one. But lets move on! th future is out there
They're falklanders.
in any case: i know why i don't like that term. it rhymes with Diego.
The word conceited is an adjective that refers to someone having an excessive or above average opinion of oneself. One of the most common insinuations leveled at a conceited person is that they are conceited fools. A conceited person displays certain traits including a sense of false pride, a degree of arrogance, a casual disregard of others which is very egotistical etc.
Swollen-headed, egotistic, swollen and vain are some of the synonyms of conceited. A conceited person may also be considered rude or even in extreme cases a bigot. They generally are individuals who look down upon their contemporaries. Their attitude is also interpreted as being snobbish.
That would prove he is a Argie, see if you look hard enough you do have something in common
You almost got me... I was going to copy past back to you the definition of pedantic, when I caught myself “almost” taking part in some silly spat. Your contribution really has nothing to do with what this commentary board is meant to be discussing... Why the Falklands want to stay British. I seem to have had an effect on you if you're now submitting comments directly related about me. I'm very flattered, really! I don't care what you think. I think you're an arse but I don't copy paste it to the wall. We'll have to assume you haven't really got anything interesting to say. I'm Conceited, you're Wrong. (Rather be conceited)
ta x
MoroLand AKA land of Moros means northern Africans and is the name given to them by the Spanish (Los moros) any Argie would be aware of the joke.
By the way what’s “Moroloand” I’ve never heard that term in Ukistan.
The only one looking like a lost Palestinian or Mexican here seems to be you? Where are you from?
“I don't need to remind you that our passport will get you into Paraguay swiftly but try getting into Europe and most travellers start to sweat.”
I never have any problem in Europe using my Ar. passport I also used my Argie cedula PF in UK, Italy and in Switzerland no problem at all. I also was using my Argie Driver License in Uki, Italy, France, Monaco, etc. no problem at all.
May be the immigration officer in Britain saw your face of desperation to find a job there.
May be you look a little bit suspicious, have you ever thought about that? Who knows?
To be honest I wouldn’t allow you to get into Argentina, after your moronic posts.
People get deported for many reasons from all nationalities and so what?
Brits are deported as any other nationality in the world I guess they are the most suffering deportation and jail after the Mexican especially in Asia due to drug trafficking, drinking and bad behaviour. In Argentina there are few of them in jail for trafficking cocaine.
Here a sad British example who had been deported from USA can you see there are more Brits deported than Argies if you are not aware of.
www.newstatesman.com/200411220005
Any Fabio in Argentina with a surname Nicolleti or even with a Spanish surname having Italians, polish etc. relatives can apply for citizenship in Italy and I others countries. IURE SANGUINIS.
So when you say that Argies will sell their organs to get a passport to go anywhere in Europe only show you ignorance, stupidity and that you are not even Argentinean.
As far as your claim that I'm not Argentinean (shrugs shoulders) I'm not bothered.
Sorry but as I was censored by posting in German and also in Spanish I will have to translate this for monolingual MOhameds.
Modismos Españoles ) Spanish lingo or jargon.
hay moros en la costa? There are Moros in the cost?
Moro comes from the times of the crusades elplop.com/?def=63281&search=hay%20moros%20en%20la%20costa
Any argie will know what that means. Vale chaval?
“I'm glad you had fun travelling through Europe. I hope you enjoyed your holiday”
Nein, I was living as I’m European. Wrong again.
“Obtaining European citizenship is not as easy as you make it out to be”
You are really bad informed, its quite easy if you have European ancestors like Italians.
www.ciudadania-italiana.com.ar/
Its not so difficult. Isn’t it? What do you expect the Italians/Germans/Polish/French, etc knocking at your door? I have an American friend here that the only way to stay “lets say legal” is travelling to Uruguay and coming back. And some English are doing the same, do you think that for American is more easy to get a EU nationality? Nope I saw some struggling to get a visa for France (they are reaaaaally tough for immigrant out of EU)
Well enough for today.
Bloody argies they are going to steal our Scotland soon or later. Hahaha
: )
But funny dig re: multi personalities bit.
I have no clue about how to obtain european citizenships as I've already got a British one (in addition to my Arg).
“Suerte”
Interesting that you spaniards still have a thing about the Moors !
Nico said: “blah blah blah....only show you ignorance, stupidity and that you are not even Argentinean.”
The Malvinist nutters on here are sooooo predictable aren't they?
;-)
Well let’s see...
You say that the Argies will sell their organs to get a Mohammed’s passport, right?
Later you said that you have no clue about how an Agie can obtain an EU passport or nationality. And you also said that you already got one British passport in addition to your Argentus passport.
Am I Right?
Now concentrate harder and answer my questions please, would you?...
1- Mr. Bean can we know what organ did you sell to get your passport from Ukistan?
May be your brain? Oops sorry I answered for you. So please accept my apology, after all you were right. At least in your case.
2- When you were in Uki on holidays (its what you said right?) and being one of these argies in despair for a chance to get the hell out (you own words) why you didn’t stay there so we can save the embarrassment of your post?
3- Why don’t you try to exchange your Uki passport for something a little bit more cool.
Let’s say for a Toba’s passport, I know that Brits will sell their organs to get passports, specially their brains. You are a living proof of that.
May be you will be lucky after all and can get one with a free beer. But please don’t offer your brain to them, the Tobas already know that the value of a Mohammed’s brain with bad teeth doesn’t buy a pint of large in a Londonistani pub, they are not stupid like the British who sold the passport to you.
And how did you call me? Well doesn’t matter, today I fell really generous so I forgive you.
Pax Romana
@WestisBest
“The Malvinist nutters on here are sooooo predictable aren't they?”
#RodrigoFerrer alias Argiebargie and Mr. Bean
”I have no clue about how to obtain european citizenships as I've already got a British one (in addition to my Arg).
He is British (may be for F@ckland?), the only predictable for their indoctrination are you guys quite obvious.
I forgive you too after all its not your fault, Britannia have done the damage in your brains.
PR
You know the anagram of ARGENTINO is
IGNORANTE
I share that with shame but staring at reality.
twitter.com/#!/londongaucho
To be frank, the answer is none of your business. And if you forgot what I called you I think it must have been twat. Holiday in Uki? I'm a Londoner.
and yeah Marcos, that is a direct link to my twitter account. I'm really flattered you googled me to get to the end result. Are you girls starting my fan club? I'm so excited...
Seriously, guys an idiot. Ignore him.
never use real names in a forum just in case
welsh ancestry you have?
but many silly people can bother him in twitter because you are publishing his page
I would like to remind you guys that who started to play Sherlock Holmes games and showing accounts on face book and youtube to disqualify us were you.
Here the evidence of that: en.mercopress.com/2011/02/18/chilean-journalist-reflects-on-falklands-sovereignty-dispute
# 45 Rhaurie-Craughwell
“36 Nicodumarse.....I know very well that 99% of what you said is Bullshit...have you forgotten I stumbled upon your Youtube profile quite by accident...does your Username: Nicodume ring a bell :)”
The difference is that you have been inefficient, lazy and unsuccessful to find the right information.
Why are you crying now when Marcos uses your same tactics idiots? You are a bunch of inefficient hypocrites and liars.
@ Argiebargie
1- I understood everything you have posted.
2- Who seems to don’t understand is you like in the case of my previous joke about the Moros.
3- When I asked you about “and how did you call me?”, this was a rhetoric question (rhetoric questions are not expected to be answered).
4- About the previous questions, again more rhetoric questions if you pay attention, you should observed that I have answered all. What it’s quite obvious.
5- You say that you will put myself in to place and posted stupid things thinking you were so smart.
It is quite clear for me that you don’t understand irony, rhetoric and other stuff like some Bennies here.
Well mate you have been very stupid by underestimating others you look very silly now it’s your own fault.
@ zethe
“Stalking is legal in Argentina?”
Nope, but to be a stupid Brit wannabe yes be careful you can get a life sentence. Even your sheep in your garden is aware of that.
Marcos, I hope I never receive a friend request from you on facebook... You will be declined. Sorry.
i dont agree with the way you treat others not thinking the same way you do very despective and also to everything its argentine ...
i dont care if you are malvinense or anti but i think that treating people this way is not showing your intelligence you say to have in any way on the contrary. it seems to me you are descargando your neura here against the country and this theme comes to you like anillo al dedo. ive also travelled but i choose living here, and??
I'm disappointed that you think I'm the one being disrespectful. I don't treat those 2 guys the way I do because they think different than me. They've been insulting, mocking and obnoxious in every thread! Well, it's like you say, and?? and?? que nada. you'll continue there and i'll continue here. best wishes xx
You have not idea how dangerous they can be. They are not stupid floggers as you think.
They are right-wing nationalist from Belgrano, San Isidro, Martinez, etc. with surname from Germany, Austria, Norway, N Italy, etc. most of them from wealthy families, very heavy weigh stuff.
Violent people like Alan and William Schlenker. They were arrested for killing on cold blood an ex friend for rivalry on soccer. They will hurt you just for fun.
You can see the pattern “Adrián Rousseau es un negro cabeza, resentido, rencoroso y envidioso” (Alan declaration to the press) always the racist stuff and verbal violence and abuse.
You can see them here in the 2006 world cup in Germany losborrachosdeltablon.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/barras03.jpg
I was really shocked when I was reading your post insulting them about the passport issue and the comparison with the Palestinian stuff.
Unfortunately our lovely country is full of this kind of people. You can find them in sites like Stormfront.org - The White Nationalist Community talking using their native and ancestors languages.
I thought you should know better before is too late and you continue with your sterile crusade against them, have no sense.
Sorry for my poor English.
Kind regards,
Eduardo
Bloody hell Nicodim, who took the jam out of your donut? Carry on like that and you'll rupture something (or bust your keyboard).
Go on, don't stop, I'm enjoying myself so far ....
@3 who in the hell drinks beer with popcorn?? :-))
Bots running 5m queries at the moment, London positive be tuned for next update : )
so it seems argentina has millions of good guys, and a few bloggers,
not much competion then lol.
are you guys also 24/7 online gamers as well as floggers/bloggers? If you go back to playing world of warcraft, these posts would be really dull.
If you have a UK Passport it is the European Communities Model, since they have been that model for more than 10 years now. This means you are a European Citizen with joint Argentine Nationality.
I don't actually hold a UK Passport, since I've never applied for one, and have only ever been abroad on a MoD Form 90 whilst in the services or, long ago, on a temporary 12 month passport (yes they used to issue one for such a short period on stiff card), they stopped issuing those a very long time ago! However, I am actually filling out a passport application as I write this, since we've recently obtained Pet Passports I suppose its only fair that we go with the dogs on holiday!
Also, from your use of the phrase argiebargie as a nom de plume, you're no doubt aware that its origin has no relationship with Argentina or the Argentine people, and that anyone that thinks it does, or is manufactured to insult anyone from Latin America, is mightily confused, and in error.
Just like anyone that thinks the Malvina House Hotel in Stanley has any sort of link to the Spanish name used to describe the Falkland Islands, is also in error.
A bot is a piece of software with an algo able to perform multiple tasks and also simulating to be a human being. Including in games if you like.
A positive use of a bot for example is in search engine to grab data and client’s patterns preferences from browsers and servers from all over the world.
A malicious way of its use for example, is to perform DOSS attacks (cyber attacks) on networks using zombies controlled computers, also to grab forcefully information from databases, to inject forcefully malicious queries, to hack/crack systems, etc. Or simply grab public information.
Doesn’t matter if the victim is a personal site in a share hosting or the network of the pentagon if the hacker find a security hole kaputt.
There are multiple uses for bots for example someone can be just in this moment grabbing data about you. Who knows?
They can even know if your were introducing illegally Argentinean coffee into UKI for example.
Or meat oh! Look what happen to Yakub Moosa Yusuf in UKI he got four and a half years of prison.
Have you ever done that?
I hope not is a criminal offence in Ukistan they take this very serious.
Or if you buy in Coto using your credit card when you are in Buenos Aires, your sexual preferences the porn sites you usually like more to see travesties. Let’s say all this kind of information that someone can use to ruin your entire life. Sounds scary. Doesn’t it?
Look what happen to M6 chief in UKi for using facebook. Haha you have to be very stupid to do that haha.
Or to the Mafia Boss's Manfredi in Italy for being fan of social networks like Facebook ha ha ha he is still in jail I guess.
There are very bad people out there. Do you know? Better don’t mess with them especially in UKI
They like to spy all over, sure they are grabbing this. Are you spying me M6? Give me break please, I swear that I’ve never smuggled any coffee into Ukistan. I don’t even drink it.
See you later
“Later the British helped and backed the Chileans in the Guano War in 1879-1883, forcing Argentine neutrality in exchange for the 1881 Treaty of limits between Arg-Chi by which Chileans secured the Western part of Patagonia.”
The British “help” in the Guano War is quite a peruvian myth. There was interest from private British individuals, same as there was American interest for Peru to win. By the way, the peruvian army and navy had way more british inflence than the chilean one: Peruvians 2 flagships Huascar and Independencia, the state-of-the-art ironclads of the continent had been ordered by Peru to UK, big part of the peruvian navycrew were british...
Though its a totally new “info” to me, that UK influence supposedly prevented Argentina to enter the guano war in Peru's and Bolivia's favour against Chile.
Interesting!
Do you have any sources for this, it would be quite revealing stuff...
What it has to do with illegal imports and prison sentences only you must know, you're obviously drinking something stronger than coffee.
Very revealing as your web page history might be to you, I'm afraid I'm not interested in which sites you visit one-handed.
Not quite sure how you manage to link the UK Motorway Network with the Mafia in Italy, and Social Networking, the way your mind works you must be some sort of psychiatric out-patient needing a repeat medication, but otherwise it does paint an accurate picture of your persona.
Interweb? you sarcastic or unskilled?
Mafia boss : )
abcnews.go.com/International/facebook-finds-mafia-boss/story?id=10124958
Yakub Moosa Yusuf was introducing illegally meat and found guilty by UK 's court 4.5 years sentence in prison. Capisce adesso capo?
For the rest if you had ever introduced Coffee from Argentina into UKistan illegally you don't have nothing to be worry about.
SYL
In this part of South America we refer to ourselves as Falkland Islands, this is not a new thing, this is our name.
Do you want to live in our home so badly you cannot see you have no right to do so.
It would be just as easy for us to claim your houses across the water are our own using the same logic, agreeable a pointless position to use as a truth.
The reason I implore the public to ignore you is because I know that appealing to your logic and humanity is fruitless, as you appear to have none, and most certainly when it conflicts with your beliefs.
Any comment I make to defend my country will be picked apart from flaws in grammar to conflicts with your personal ‘truths’.
By no means will it be merited or weighted as an opinion of someone who knows first hand the pain and fear that is inflicted on to this small group of people victimised for your own gain.
This is not a mark of a reasoned human being but that of a heretic or (those fortunate enough to be listened to) a dictator.
I would rather turn the other cheek and stare blankly at a wall before I let you think your abuse was listened to; don’t make enemies you can’t defeat.
Anyway you accused me of being an islander called Robert Cockwell way back in May last year :) Now that was funny!
Now do run along little Nicodumarse I'm sure the Argentine chapter of Stormfront is missing your racist Muslim rhetoric....maybe daddy can pay for your bus fare to the meeting hall :)
Congratulations to SNP and the future Scottish independence, if you wish to make a donation here is the link:
www2.snp.org/independence
hahaha LOL you can't can you because your a little immature braindead nationalist gobshite who posts random comments and links which may say something bad about the UK :)
You fail so badly mate....oh did I also forget to mention....You're a stalker too XD
Falklands? do you mean Malvinas? Yes is part of the same South American country that you visited several times in the past.
http://247wallst.com/2011/05/17/greece-may-finally-sell-its-most-beautiful-islands/
no money ?!..to give Falkland Islands as provision to have Chinese borrowing ...
:-)
Why are you so angry Mohammed? did I touch your feelings?
1- Are you stupid or drunk again? Mohammed is the most popular name in Britain and I’ve never made any reference to any religion as you’ve said, this is your own make up association.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324194/Mohammed-popular-baby-boys-ahead-Jack-Harry.html
Its is my fault that in Ukistan people chose to call themselves Mohammed? or Abdul? Nope
2- I remind you that the only one I can see bombing Muslim to stole their oil at the moment are you guys. And you call me what? Racist? Very funny
I know your kind you speak abut freedom, democracy, like to call other dictators, racist, etc.
But you are still a rotten kingdom and you never lost any opportunity to bomb Africans and Muslims in inferior conditions. Cool guys you are.
3-I told you several times that I have not idea who is “Nicodumarse” and that my name it is not Nico, or Nicolas what kind of stupid will use his real name to post in a forum? Ah! I know you.
You also insist on this and I bet let see I don’t remember now... ah! yes that if I’m this guy I will pay you USD100.000 in cash but if you are wrong you will have to pay me USD 50.000.
I think it is a fair bet, but you cowardly refused to accept it. OK let’s try again will you accept my bet? Can you pay me 50 grant in cash of is too much for you?
I’m waiting for you reply.
I would like to buy a new Yamaha XT1200Z Super Teneré for this summer and spent your money with friends. I promise you that I will put a sticker on the bike saying thanks Rhaurie.
@Marcus Alexander
I just wonder if UK splits The bennies will become Scots or English?
Your dad is Nick Griffin, Oh and it hasn't gone unnoticed that you deleted your Youtube channel....what a coincidence Nico-Griffin hahah :)
Kicking yourself slightly at your stupidity I guess :)
You can deny all you want, but that was you on Youtube Nicodume! Same piss poor grammar, same use of words (saying Mohammed all the time!) yup it was you, and of course the most obvious give away, the accounts been deleted, not long after I rumbled you :) Now your just being a bad liar and you know it
However because I'm a nice person, I won't demand your money...I will take it but I will pay for a psychiatrist to treat you for your sexual fetish with Muslims and the other half I shall pay for diversity classes to try and weed your abhorrent racism out of you...We have to break your dad Nick-Griffins genetic code he implanted in your mum someday amigo :)
“what kind of stupid will use his real name to post in a forum?”
-The same stupid person who thought he would be oh so clever and change 3 letters in his user name and troll Youtube Falklands videos and thought he wouldn't get noticed ahhh you per chance?
-PS I use my real name, because I have nothing to hide :)
However you obviously do, otherwise you wouldn't have shut down your Youtube channel after I rumbled you hohohoho don't like it when the heats turned on do you?
Nothing to do with stupidity at all, I'm, just arrogant and infinity more cleverer than jack booted racist inbred stormtroopers like yourself, and quite aware that most cyber stalkers are all piss and wind.....whats the worst your going to do? Look at my Twitter account AHHH!
“1- Are you stupid or drunk again? Mohammed is the most popular name in Britain”
Wrong. Both Oliver and Olivia are respectivly the most popular boys and girls names in the UK. The “Mohammed's” you read about include all variations, if you do the same with Oliver the number is almost double Mohammed.
“As in previous years, the name Mohammed, which ranked 16th, would take top place among boys if all possible spellings were aggregated. But as a spokesman for the Official for National Statistics pointed out, this is potentially misleading if no other names are similarly combined: there were still more Olivers than Mohammeds if you count the 511 Ollies, 127 Oliviers, 124 Ollys, 16 Ollis and 9 Olis born in 2009. The merging of Harry with Henry and Jack with John would produce similar disruptions to the list.”
Not to mention the five thousand Olivias.
Mohammed - 7,549 in 2010.
Oliver - 13 352 in 2010.
“I just wonder if UK splits The bennies will become Scots or English?”
Neither, we'll still be Falkland Islanders.
:-)
After the split of Britain kelpers were planning to return to their real island in Europe, some to Scotland and some to England, however after they read the article below they began to form a line in Buenos Aires to apply for an Argentinian passport.
www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1683635.ece
Let me just get that info for you, maybe this afternoon I´ll post it. I havent forgotten it. just a little patience
... and yes it will be revealing
Funny Dim, funny .... but have you heard of M25 ... a particulary nasty one that, can tie you up for hours :-)
MoreCrap -0 dream on boy, ..... dream on lol
As far as importing coffee or meats or looking at transvestites Nico... I'm sorry but I've laughed all day. Keep trying.
Let them, after all we have plenty of over seas territorys we can move to if it get's too bad. We'll all go visit the falklands ;)
Just 50 grants, put your money where your mouth is mate.
I didn’t know that this guy also call you Mohammeds can you post his links please so we can start a Mohammed fan club?
@zethe
Talking about what it's like to be a Mohammed today
www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p00dhp4r/Heart_And_Soul_My_name_is_Mohammed/
You can find Rhaurie talking from Glasgow explaining what its like to be a Mohammed today. Haha
By the way I didn’t know Zethe that you were in the real estate sector developing high tech offices and refurbishing buildings. Do you really enjoy your work? I hope so. : )
@Marcos Alejandro
Ha ha ha Yes I think so ha ha ha
@Argiebargie
For someone who claims to write proper English and who also pretends to lecture others on that matter...
How can I say that in proper posh English? Ah! yes I remember now, you really suck Argiebargie.
Where did you learn your grammar in Oxford? I mean Oxford street..
“you coming form a society where...” what the hell is “coming form” mate?
You didn’t say yet what part of your brain have you sold to get your BP. Have you got at least twenty Quids for that?
@Zethee
“We'll all go visit the falklands ;)”
And we will throw stones over your head all days and nights just for fun.
So better bring your turban with you to soft the impact : )
Just ignore the part where you was wrong if you like, we're used to it.
“And we will throw stones over your head all days and nights just for fun.”
You wont. You can say what you want, but your country doesnt have the stones to back up it's words.
crik, crik ? ZZZZZzzzzzz aaaaauuuuuu orrrrr ggggorrrrr oink oink
If a heavy lorry of 30 tons pass over you Zethe, you will insist that didn’t hurt you. Haha
None can say that you are not optimistic, in fact to be honest you have to verrrrry optimistic on these days to support all these humiliation of being British.
Ha ha very optimistic...
IMO your contributions to this thread might just qualify you as the stupidest twat ever Nicodin....congratulations!
(see 141 & 149)
Nico, I'm done going back and forth with you and the rest of the cyber-cafe wankers. I can see that you and the usual suspects are on every post doing the same thing which is basically, making the Argentine look like imbeciles. I can't on my own put our image right in front of our neighbors in the South Atlantic and it was an uphill battle to even try. Stupidity wins. Congrats. A message of sympathy for the islanders: I hope you soon enjoy the benefits of regular trade and I hope you find oil. Lots of it. If not to make up for 30 yrs losses but to at least piss off the likes of some of the “dudes” I've come across on these boards.
Peace.
Here's an argie saying for you all to consider:
“El verdadero hombre inteligente es el que aparenta ser pelotudo, delante de un pelotudo que aparenta ser inteligente”
“The authentic intelligent man is the one that pretends to be an ass, in front of an ass that pretends to be intelligent”
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