Argentina confirms high seas boarding of Spanish fleet fishing in Falklands
The Argentine government has stepped up its official blockade policy against the Falkland Islands warning Spanish fishing vessels are operating ‘illegally’ in the South Atlantic, since they have not requested licences from the Argentine government, and controls over those activities will continue.
According to El Faro de Vigo, the Argentine ambassador in Madrid sent to the Vigo based Spanish high seas fishing vessels association, Aetinape, a letter spelling out that controls on Spanish vessels with Falklands’ fishing licences and other flags but belonging to Spanish companies will continue to be controlled because the “Malvinas, Georgias del Sur and Sandwich del Sur Islands and adjoining maritime spaces are integral part of the Argentine territory”.
Thus the Spanish vessels are ‘illegally operating’ in the South Atlantic because they have not requested licences from the Argentine government and it is Argentina’s duty “to put an end to all those illegal fishing activities”.
In the letter to Aetinape, the ambassador also recalls that on several occasions the Spanish government was informed by Buenos Aires of the ‘irregular’ situation, with the purpose of putting an end to ‘illegal fishing’.
In the letter the Argentine authorities trust that negotiations with the UK “will put an end to this ‘colonial situation’ to which the British government has subdued the Malvinas, Georgias del Sur and Sandwich del Sur Islands”.
However Aetinape understands that the Spanish fleet with licences from the Falklands “part of the British Crown” should not suffer the consequences of the disputes between UK and Argentina authorities.
Earlier Aetinape had sent a protest letter to the Argentine ambassador in Madrid based on a detailed document with all Spanish vessels operating in the South Atlantic and which are “constantly intercepted and harassed by Argentine patrol vessels” when they sail to the port of Montevideo.
The situation according to El Faro de Vigo affects an estimated forty fishing vessels and 600 crewmembers, in both cases all from Galicia, with many of these boarding incidents happening in recent months, in high seas, when the vessels abandon Falklands’ fisheries and sail to Montevideo for transhipment of catches.
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Well, true to form, you want to execute people carrying out their lawful work.
The Argies do not own the Falklands, the Malvinas do not exist and Argentina needs to come to terms with that.
I wonder how long it will be once the Montrose gets to the Falklands before all the cowardly RG navy go running back to port like they did in 1982?
Bunch of cowardly thugs the lot of you, there are no redeeming features between all of you.
Detestable person.
Yep, starting with Pirat-Hunter, by the bollocks mind
will they ask permission first, or will they tell the argies to xxck-off,
where is the reply from the spanish,
what has the british goverment to say .
The situation according to me doesn't affect the hundreds of thousands of Gallegos living in Argentina.
I am going to borrow Redhoyt's slogan...get used to it :-)
Only the fishing companies might be pissed off.. and they onlys support money.
Send in the Navy. We used to be the master pirate-hunters, now it looks like we'll have to finish where we left off. The days of hunting South Americans in pirate ships are not yet over. Looks like we'll have to hang them in the Thames for three tides like we did before.
YEAHAHAH!! Send the navy.Send typhoon,britton,geof,sticky,redhoyt,lortroll,justin,hutch,MUY FIABLE TESTICULO ANONIMO)!They are diying for their country(it was uk,or Malvinas???)
Any time guys!!
Send a Garbage 45 type frigate,An Inmenso Culo Bola Mierda(ICBM),a Tomamate and those guys.We invite them fro a 5 O'clock mate!!
“Embassador of Spain in BA, Rafael Estrella, reaffirmed Spain supports the Arhgentinian claim over las Islas Malvinas and declared the colonial status on the South Atlantic should end. The diplomat stated ”the self determination process (sustained by the UK regarding Malvinas to maintin its position against negotiations) cannot be applied”.
Clear enough.
It seems yankee that Spain,either agree,or is not interested in complaining.
Argentina told them they need permission from Argentina.It is the law!
It is what the UN said since 1965(UNGA res 2065)No change in status without the other party permission.They do not want to comply???Fine!!
BTW:The situation according to El Faro de Vigo affects an estimated forty fishing vessels and 600 crewmembers, in both cases all from Galicia, with
This is only 1 of 40 ships!
OK YAnk??
Fine.
Another nail on the British South Atlantic economic coffin.
www.farodevigo.es/economia/2011/11/27/argentina-acusa-flota-espanola-pesca-ilegal-considerar-islas-malvinas/601145.html
You think platitudes from nearly five years ago are worth reporting here? Since when does any agreement, treaty, or contract last five years in Argentina?
Collectively, you Malvinists wouldn't know honesty and integrity if it slapped you around the face with a kipper, you're the most dishonourable, corrupt, lying bunch of brainless numbnuts to ever grace the planet.
There should be a special Darwin Award given to your 'National Cause', apparently millions of you yellow backed cnuts wish to give up your useless feeble minded lives for a fcuking fairy story manufactured by your bent and twisted politicians in the 1930s, well come on then, put up or shut the fcuk up.
We call your bluff, and raise you a good pasting if you're man enough.
Hey,Inalambrico: That is the law!!From 1965 to all the subsequent UNGA resolutions(Accepted by uk),no changes without the OTHER PARTY PERMISSION!!!
Other than that: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
oops! my finger got stuck on the keyboard!!
I quoted the words of a Spanish embassador describing Spanish position over Malvinas. That didn´t change in 5 years, and won´t.
I felt some irritation over there. Calm down. Take a deep breath.
You´ll face what you have to face when it´s the right time.
We´ll be back.
Then you blame it all on the Junta, and then you praise them for what they did to the Falkland Islands, you lot are all bi-polar psychotics; either invade or fcuk off, your decision, but don't expect the body count to be low.
UNGA 2065 confirms resolution 1514(XV) covers the case of the Falkland Islands, but it is not law.
However, Articles 2, 51, 73 and 74 of the UN Charter are laws; laws which Argentina defies. However, Argentina is obligated to obey the UN Security Council and so it shall, like it or not
Is it possible to diagnose the country of Argentina with Narcissistic Personality Disorder?
Provide original verifiable evidence of what you say regarding Jewett, and while you're are it, explain why he took 7.5 months to sail from Buenos Aires to the Falkland Islands, long enough to sail from Buenos Aires to London and back, twice over, with weeks to spare, and also explain why he attacked a Portugese Ship in an act of Piracy while he was enroute? Explain why there's no original verifiable record that your own Government can provide to substantiate this from the National Archives in Buenos Aires? You can't and you won't, because what you say didn't take place and no records of it ever taking place exist because it never happenned, you're a sad fcuker to believe in such fairy stories, do try harder, think for yourself for once.
“Looking back we can be proud to say that the United Kingdom was the first European country to recognize Argentina’s independence. In the Ambassador’s Residence, we still keep Woodbine Parrish’s trunk. Parrish served as a British diplomat in Buenos Aires between 1825 and 1832. He signed the Treaty of Friendship, Commerce and Navigation with Argentina in February 1825. It was the first treaty signed by the future Argentina Republic with a European country”
ukinargentina.fco.gov.uk/en/about-us/our-embassy/our-ambassador/hma-messages/hma-msg-april
BTW: A shame on the brits,for soo little,ruining an otherwise excelent relationship.”Our long bilateral relation is marked as well by a significant British presence in many Argentine provinces, such as Córdoba, Chubut, Santa Fe and Buenos Aires. What is more, there are several long-standing institutions that reflect this relationship: One proof of this is the British Hospital, which was founded in 1844. Another very close example is the Buenos Aires Herald, which was founded by a Scottish immigrant: William Catchcart, 134 years ago.
Welsh in Argentina(BTW,we had a welsh president in Argentina,Mr Rawson
All things Welsh
Rhys Meirion and his family stayed at the British Ambassador's residence on his way to Patagonia.
The links between Argentina and Wales have been strengthened in recent years. From a British Ambassador of Welsh origin, to visits of Welsh artists and a film, it seems that Wales and Chubut have never been closer.
Guitar master class
On 25 October, Adam Khan, a Welsh classical guitarist, gave a master class for school children at the British Ambassador’s residence.
Don't cry for me Aberaeron
Shan Morgan explains how her Ceredigion roots helped guide her to her present role as British Ambassador in Argentina
ukinargentina.fco.gov.uk/en/visiting-uk/wales/wales-chubut/all-things-wales
Therefore such boarding or impediment by Argentina naval vessal would actually under international law be act of war against the falklands and UK, as such we would be entitled to respond with military attacks on argentina. How about 1 well placed cruise missle and 1 further missle for each ship you try to board starting with your electric plants and infastructure. We won't have to worry about targeting any military targets though maybe a sick a few Argentina Naval boats that we come across.
So Argentina bring it on!!
As regards the actions of the editor, if you can't control yourself here, and start swearing all the time, and become personally abusive, then these things happen.
Maybe you should calm down a bit, and accept reality, not that I give a toss.
ok No problem mateboy.Just shoot your brits MAlvinenses living in Argentina as well has the million or so brits/Irish descendants.
BTW,we have a very close brit friend,English literature teacher named Shakespeare. My mother visit her very often,because she is Medival Literature scholar in Argentina.It is her real name. Shame on the brits!
It that sort of escalation that causes the delivery of thermonuclear devices; its a dangerous game these Malvinists wish to play, but what they don't seem to realise is that we don't play at these things, we actually do it as a professional job, and we mean it. Just ask your veterans from 1982.
Look Pal: The brit started all!LIke I said,we were there,before you.You moved out in 1700....Spain and then Argentina were occupying the island,peacefully...
So you calm down.Argentina never attacked uk...NUkes,hmmmm difficult to use it.We have our treaties also....
Your lot then indoctrinated your children with the same crap since 1937, culminating in your invasion in 1982, and they were chucked out the same year.
You've learned nothing and the IQ of your country must be at an all time low, because every other country has grown up since the 1930s, except Argentina, and yet you continue the same indoctrination of children with the same crap from 1937; I've no doubt that one day you'll grow up, but don't expect us to hold your hand and give away our Sovereignty based on a fairy story, it just won't happen.
If you want another fight with us thats fine too, just expect the dead RG soldiers to be buried at sea, along with everyone currently buried at Darwin, at an undisclosed location in the South Atlantic, we won't accept the same shit again, and this time you'll have no-one to visit.
How big a fight do you want? We can accommodate, and this time don't think it will not involve the mainland if you want to fight dirty, we can do that too.
Bring it on or fcuk off.
As for british citizens, well it is stand policy for the foreign office to advise britians in foreign countries that were military action may occur or where it has become dangerous for them to be there, to advise them to leave ASAP. If they don't leave then thats upto them. But am sure most will head to either brazil, US, or Chile. Prior to returning back to the UK.
I see you are having a hard time digesting this latest news, are you related to the fishing industry by any chance?
You are losing this fight without firing a single shot.
You don`t seem to be that interested in that, since you keep trying to change the topic.
As for british citizens, well it is stand policy for the foreign office to advise britians in foreign countries that were military action may occur or where it has become dangerous for them to be there, to advise them
Really? So they have been living for several generations,with houses,kids etc.
Hmm no I think we blast you before,it is easier.
Hey can you sale me some fish???
O no,we have much better way
We have been enriching Uranium since 1980
www.cnea.gov.ar/pdfs/pilcaniyeu/Informe%20Pilcaniyeu.pdf
There's not actually any indication of any more incidents.
And it is unlikely to be a problem for much longer, provided the spanish vessels can get used to english beer.
Now I know a man whose company has just quoted for a freezing centre on the islands, which even he described as 'huge'. Possible connected to the other story about meat.
So, no need to go to the mainland unless the crew is desperate for something Latin.
And Argentina hasn't got the balls to stop vessels within the Falklands EEZ.
Wind and water - nothing more :-)
Apart from that - there doesn't seem to be much happening. UN's quiet, Cristina is IN and therefore has other things to do. The Islands are still British and ....... all's well with the world :-)
Good morning.
So, no need to go to the mainland unless the crew is desperate for something Latin.
And Argentina hasn't got the balls to stop vessels within the Falklands EEZ.
Do not wory,we are getting closer everyday...Bye bye falklands....Hola MAlvinas.....Yeahh they are brits for now..(BTW,does not belong to the Malvinenses???)...
The King Crimson
B'Boom: Live in Argentina is a live album (2CD set) by the band King Crimson, released in 1995. All songs were recorded between October 6 and October 16, 1994 at the Broadway in Buenos Aires, Argentina, except for “Heartbeat” which was recorded in Córdoba.
@pirat, Saddam hussain wonder the same thing too, and what happened, we disarmed them with our minsweepers. Plus puting mines in internation waters is illegal and would likely cause countries whos ships are sunk by them to join the UK. And would likely Lead to Nato and other UN members to join the UK side too. and god knows what you are on about in regards to black people in libya, unless you mean the mercenaries for other african countries hired by Gaddafi to kill civilians.
Bring it on or fcuk off.
Watch your language,wireless!
Wireless,I said I invited the brits for a cup of Mate-tea...there is no offence in that! Calm down Pal....except for that Malvinas problem,the relation between Argentina and UK where very good...Just think how everybody can win on this...
www.expatjobs77.com/q-jobs-in-british-overseas-territories/3/
Can we help with some of your problems,
Nuclear weapons, not a chance,
stopping Spanish fishing ships, well that’s up to you, as long as its out side of British waters,
you all talk about Argentina being an innocent and peaceful country, and now her bloggers want to wipe us out,
Last and not least,
Enriching uranium , to or possibly try to make a dirty bomb,
Would the west stop you,,,,,,,,,,,
Well keep watching the TV over the coming weeks, and keep looking at IRAN, another tin pot dictator who wants to destroy everybody,
And they are a lot closer than you armatures, keep watching,
1, if Iran gets her dirty bomb and hit Israel and the Americans,
Then you might have a chance
2, if you wake up one morning and hear that Israel or the Americans
Have whacked IRAN, then you had better pray, you Argentina government, does not try to built one, or guess who will be next,
Peace is exactly, as it says peace, threats are just hot air, and Argentina knows it, that’s why you threaten and they just talk,
Still, up to you, as they around here .. after all, if you want to annoy the only country in Europe that pays you any mind .... up to you.
Another tin tack in Argentina's support :-)
www.fco.gov.uk/en/news/latest-news/?view=News&id=694992082
Jeremy Browne opens new British Consulate General in Brazil
www.fco.gov.uk/en/news/latest-news/?view=News&id=698644882
More south American countries who welcome great Britain,
so much for your support,
when it comes to money, trade, business , they put their own interests first, and not argentines,
just a thought .
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As for the Argies stopping the Spanish fishing boat, there is nothing of interest on the
Government site, so of no interest.
www.fco.gov.uk/en/
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I can't wait for them to piss off the Spanish, I'm sure that Spain would send Armada Espanola to protect its commercial vessels from interference within International Waters, it'll be fun to watch the RGs run away.
Ohh and as for gaddafi and the libyan nail in the british coffin, well he must have forgot his nails as he was the one that ended up with the last nail firmly put in his coffin when they buried him you dumbo.
And as for our world is getting smaller, well you must be on a different planet to the rest of planet earth as its been the same size for billions of years. you must be on pluto or somewhere to be so far out touch with the planet earth lol.
It was NATO forces involved in the incident in Pakistan, and it seems these were US Forces, so quite what this has to do with the UK only you seem to know.
I strongly suspect you're a bi-polar psychotic Malvinist that grasps feebly at any and all news remotely anti-British, yet you live on Welfare in Canada, with the Queen as Head of State.
Why don't you go home to that paradise you believe is Argentina? Is it because you're a freeloader in a stable Consititutional Monarchy, and the possibility of scratching for work in Republican Buenos Aires doesn't appeal when inflation there is nearer 25% per annum? Would that shatter your dream, or are you breaking into a sweat just thinking about working for a living?
2, if you wake up one morning and hear that Israel or the Americans
Have whacked IRAN, then you had better pray, you Argentina government, does not try to built one, or guess who will be next,
Peace is exactly, as it says peace, threats are just hot air, and Argentina knows it, that’s why you threaten and they just talk,
Coming from a primate(with due respect to them) is reasuring britton.
If SA decide to make nukes,NO BOODY WILL STOP US!! We are a block,and together we fill good!!
The SA belong to the people WHO LIVES HERE!!
You want a piece? Just move here.....
300 million weigth far more than 2000!!!!
Simple math!
Oh .. and the Falkland islands belong to the people who live there .... :-)
As for maths .... 3000 v 300 million? I reckon the odds are still in our favour. Tell you what, we'll put one hand behind our backs ... make it even :-))
ooohhh shit!!you drunk again!! mate, take care =-)
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Good reason for the fleets to look at using Brazilian ports in future instead - or even a good reason to develop better port facilities in the Islands. I recall a couple of years ago and Arg warship tried to “hassle” a Spanish vessel out near the edge of our fishing zone- as soon as a RN warship appeared on the horizon the ARG vessel FLED!!!!!!!
As for Nuclear Subs considering you have not got a single Nuclear Sub built yet one well placed cruise missle will take care of any current plans of fitting your diesel subs with Nuclear Propulsion, which itself will not carry any nuclear warheads even if you do manage to put nuclear propulsion in it. But we do have Nuclear Subs with Trident missles, maywel one of them over BA would make you think twice about attacking the peaceful falklands islands.
From the Mapuche, Tehuelche and all the aboriginal people of the land YOU stole.
Hypocrites.
And for information, nobody “usurped” Argentina, we were there first.
Oh and don't give me the we are closer to the islands then UK crap as that doesn't make a difference, as we were there first, we asserted our claim for sovereignty and never recended our claim unlike spain, so no you didn't inherit them from spain either as spain left nothing to you other than the land you won from them.
There was a dispute between Britain and Spain for a while, but Argentina was never a player!
Difficult to inherit when the benefactor a) is not dead and b) does not wish the supposed beneficiary to have the goods.
Someone (Argentina) taking something by force from another someone (Spain) who doesn't want them to have it is called ..... robbery. Not inheritance :-)
Spain still claimed the Islands in 1836.
Hmmm ........ :-)
“The SA belong to the people WHO LIVES HERE!!”
We DO live here, if 'living there' is all that you need to do for YOUR shithole country (for what it's worth) to be valid then the 'living here' card works for us too. Stupid prick.
No matter what the keyboard Argentine warriors on Mercopress say, Britain is a world power and is therefore recognised as one by other world powers. And when an weaker force underestimates the stronger force, it can only end badly for the weaker force, lets take 1982 as a fine example of this.
Think, I only see this as a nail in the coffin for Argentina's backward and unjustifiable claim over the Falklands. Dont wake a sleeping giant Argentina.
Ireland, Grece, Spain, Honduras, Korea, Maories, India, Pakistan, Afganistan, etc. What else?
To sum up; Spanish Fishing Industry will you choose to support the politics of one country or continue to earn a lot of money from another...
english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9007275415
Go Iran!!! Ad now you should do the same in la Casa Rosada.
“Argentinas unjustifiable claim over Malvinas”. If it´s so unjustifiable... why is the world supporting Argetina?
“Dont wake a sleeping giant Argentina”. Giants decline and loose size sooner or later. It´d better wake up before it´s too late.
Keep in mind there´re other new Giants rising up standing on Argentina´s side.
@76
Spain has already chosen...
argentina.diariocritico.com/2007/Marzo/noticias/14907/espana-apoya-en-tema-malvinas.html
“Embassador of Spain in BA, Rafael Estrella, reaffirmed Spain supports the Arhgentinian claim over las Islas Malvinas and declared the colonial status on the South Atlantic should end. The diplomat stated ”the self determination process (sustained by the UK regarding Malvinas to maintin its position against negotiations) cannot be applied”.
What a nice bunch. Thankfully they will not go near to the FI, they would not dare violate the sovereign waters of another country.
com on
The Argies are happy with words but are clearly getting frustrated that such words are not followed up with relevant and meaningful actions.
At least the Falkland island were abandoned when we landed, and no invention or twisting of historical fact can change the fact, that you never had any right to the islands, and never will.
May I say what a refreshing change it is to read a comment posted by an Argentinian who has taken the time to consider the whole case regarding the F.I. I can only hope that your fellow Argentinians follow your lead.
We may disagree from time to time but that does not mean we should fall out with each other.
www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/nov/29/heathrow-gatwick-braced-queues-strike
UK firing 710.000 people? Ouch!
The island is sinking deep in the ocean.
The Spanish have a licence to fish do they not, end of,
In reality who found what first is irrelevant in today’s world,
As long as the islanders choose to be British, then that to is the end of it, no argument, its up to them,
As for IRAN some Argies still think it’s a game, you may yet wish, you had no part in it,
[bring it on] very silly really and just talk,
Brazil will grow, but Argentina will be left behind unless she drops this silly obsession with Falklands,
As for the UK being finished,
We haven’t re-started yet, , you keep talking and leave the real world to us, lol.
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Bloody expensive, but im confident a good time will be had by all,
Why don't you take a moment and consider what you are actually saying. What we call “Falklands” and you call “Malvinas” are physically the same islands. Therefore if you use one of your imaginary nukes on the Islands, we would still register it. Whether you call it “Malvinas”, “Falklands” or “Zorg” it will still be the same Islands, and we will still register it the same. Like the A-bomb was still the same whether it fell on “Japan” or “Nippon”. Also, Argentines may take American neutrality as support for their own position, but America has just as much motive to stop Iran from getting a nuclear bomb as we do. Pakistan still gets on sort of OK with us (member of the commonwealth), and we have a nuclear Arsenal as well, which is far more powerful than the Pakistani one or the non-nuclear missiles which you could ever send to us. Why don't you try nuking London? Buenos Aires in ruins might be quite a funny sight.
I think we should demand to know if #95 speaks with authority or with bluster.
“Will the Real Minister of Defense Please Stand Up!”
“ . . . . Stand Up!”
“No?”
“Oh, that's OK then, he's the schoolboy”.
. . . . . . .
“Hang on . . . Hitler was a schoolboy once . . . ”
“Yes, he made promises to Poland , Checzlovakia, . . . Russia, . . ”
Don't be silly, Argentina would never make the same mistake twice“
”Why not, Germany did“
”OK, I get it, better keep the old guard up then . . . and start by protecting the EU fishing fleet“
” . . . . you don't think they would do a Lusitania, do you?“
”Not if they remember Agadir“
”But we don't want ALL of NATO to go to war, do we?“
”I don't think ALL of NATO would be necessary, do you?“
”Do you think CFK has really thought this through“
”Yes, I do. Remember the maxim - when things go pearshaped on the domestic scene, create external 'enemies' “
”Personally, I think she'd be a lot safer getting angry with little Paraguay again“
”Hmmm”
So come on prat hunter, how about you leave the comfort of living in canada and robbing of the wealthfare benefits paid to you to feed you and house you, and F off back to argentina and prepare for a war with us. Oh i forgot, you would only shit your pants and run back to canada as soon as the first bullet flys over you head or frist missle hits the presidential palace. Your all mouth and no balls prat hunter, as such nothing you say has any credibility. But then you are the one that referred to you skyhawk jet planes as being from WW2 lol Thicko.
Bravo Argentina...OLE!!
let the lone ranger ride his tonto, and dream on .
Well do lad, now off back to school with yer. Ohh and if canada wanted to throw you out they can even if you were born there. Its called Exiled dumbass.
falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/diplomatic-blunders/
Hows it does your family feel knowing you support the same people that the mudered 95% of there ancesters of all modern day natives. Bet they must be really proud to have a son or brother that is a traitor to his own people.
oh Eu is not a continent its a political group of nations. And its the Euro Zone thats in crisis, and the UK is not part of the Euro Zone as we do not use the Euro Currency.
As for america babysitting unwanted EU bastards, well since when has Canada had to babysit american natives disowned by their only family for being a traitor to his own people.
Why am i involving myself in this, well because am british and so are the islanders, as such i will stand up for them and fight along side them if need be, because unlike you i am loyal to me fellow people and not a traitor like you.
USA is not a state, it is a republic made from a union of many states. Also the USA is called America, hence why the American/US President always says God Bless America. It is why US citizens are called Americans and why Canadians are called Canadians, both after the name of their Country.
So theirs nothing wrong with my knowlegde of geography, but clearly yours is somewhat way out compared to the reason us, though i accept only having 1 brain cell makes it difficult for you.
As per my girlfriend, well shes sat hear right next to me, laughing her head off at how pathetic and dumb you are, though she was digusted by your offer of sperm (sick bastard, she called you). When she read you comment, she said if you came anywhere near her shed rip your balls off and feed them to the dog. Not only that mate, but my girlfriend is way out of your league anyway and she is fully in support of the falkland islanders. Off course i have great big rottweiler that might like the taste of your balls, but she generally rips them off first and you can get bet your balls i will give her the command to attack if you come anywhere near my girlfriend, and whilst the dogs got your balls i'll pounding your face in, the beutiful thing about it is, i'll get away with as self defence too.
108 you see our girl admited right to your face she wants my balls LOL since you are bringing and giving messages tell her that I only mail my sperm, not my balls, and now according to you your bitch too likes my balls, I was not aware your girl made me that popular at your home, anyone around you trully loyal to you ?? give it a break son, trust me you'll do yourself a favor. by the way I don't fight with a woman a coward and his pet, I told you before I fight man to man, but with you, I might make an exeption, I don't usually pick on retards, they make bad use of scarce human resources, here in America they become jail guards, you my actually have the DNA for a mediocre career, no wonder you girl is soo disperate for good balls, why don't you try growing some for her ?.now in regards to the self defence, yes I agree the justice system in Canada is racist and you might get away with self defence if you had not threatened me with your canadian hunter friend, you can try.
Vernet wasn't Political and Military Commander till 1829, he was never gazetted as 'Governor'. In fact he was never gazetted at all.
You need to read more :-)
Whats particularly intererting is how he acknowledged british sovereingty not once but 2 times and sought british protectin shoud the british return to the islands. Vernet requested a warship from BA, but that was refused and in its placed he was appointed governor instead. The appointment of Vernet was challenged by the British consul in Buenos Aires, who restated the previous British claim to the Islands. In response to the announcement of his appointment as Governor, Vernet stressed to the British that his interests were purely commercial. In otherwords he had no wish to be governor of the islands nor did he acknowledge his appointment as governor, which means he never was governor as he did not acknowledge it.
Now i suggest you read the english one througthly as you might well learn something.
people all over pakistan read abt the English, as do the British citizens .
as long as they complete that task, before the next milinium
It seem they are better than the brits,expat(pelotudo)
UK is FINISHED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbLfje8_jgI
Education
Expats families with children will be interested in learning more about education in Argentina. Generally speaking, Argentina’s school system has a good international reputation. Argentina has the highest levels of literacy and education among all Latin American countries. For instance, 3.2% of the entire population (a respectable percentage) attend and complete a degree program at university
www.internations.org/argentina-expats/guide/living-in-argentina-15321/education-in-argentina-3
”Expats families with children will be interested in learning more about education in Argentina. Generally speaking, Argentina’s school system has a good international reputation. Argentina has the highest levels of literacy and education among all Latin American countries. For instance, 3.2% of the entire population (a respectable percentage) attend and complete a degree program at university.“
I looked at similar claims before moving to Argentina and felt comfortable that this was true. unfortunately, I have to say that the General state run schools are wholly inadequate. Yes, the majority leave school being able to read and write. A large percentage do not though. But I gradually noticed a really big lack of general knowledge. People did seem to know very much. I could give lot's of quotes but it would appear that I have an axe to grind...i don't. But eventually I came to the conclusion that Private education was the only way forward. This is OK but still lacking in some areas. Overall very disappointing considering I pay for this. I also chose the top school as i didn't want to ”hold my children up”.
True the universities I understand are quite good. The medical training is longer for example I believe. But overall, dispite this it is quite poor.
The good things are there is a school normaly very close ( a few KM) to all housholds. A legacy from Peron I'm told.
They do stay on in school longer as well.
When my children get older I will be educating them elsewhere though.
Perhaps BA is different. In reality Argentina is BA. BA is Argentina.
Philippe
According to World Bank the secondary graduation rate in Argentina is only 52 percent compared to about 80 percent in OECD countries. Argentine survival rates also lag most middle-income countries.
The quality of secondary education in Argentina revealed that 40
percent of secondary graduates did not read and write in accordance with acceptable standards.
My experience has shown if an Arg grew up in middle -rich they are well educated for someone from a LAC but if they are poor they can't read or write and there are lots and lots of poor people there.
(The British document the S17111 (AS - 5728/311/2) dated September 17, 1946, was conducted by a British official and is in the Foreign Office in Britain. It was produced under the labels of “SECRET” and “CONFIDENTIAL”.)
A British secret document - the S17111 (AS - 5728/311/2) dated September 17, 1946 - severely questioned Davis and Hawkins versions as the “discovery” of the Islands. Out this possibility on the basis of the enormous differences between the descriptions of the two sailors with the actual conditions of the land, coasts and landforms of the islands. On the other hand, the Falklands were completely depopulated. The chronicle of Hawkins does not match the actual appearance of the islands with a great countryside, quite flat and inhabited temperate.
Strong Whale is accepted by historians, but did not take possession of the islands but simply landing for supplies of fresh water and fresh meat (several species of ducks). In 1580, Queen Elizabeth I expressed serious reservations about territorial claims based solely on findings.
1748. I add here the application submitted to King Charles III of England asking for authorization to the Spanish crown to send a British expedition to the South Sea as it was known at the time the South Atlantic, and seek Malvinas. Spain denied the requested authorization claiming its inviolable sovereign rights over them. Great Britain abides by the decision of Spain, in recognition of the legitimate Spanish titles.
1764. French Colonization by Louis Antoine de Bougainville. Above the so-called “first occupation” by the English who comes two years after the arrival of Mc Bride at Puerto de la Cruz of the Falkland establishing a clandestine naval base at Port Egmont on the island Trin
Either your translation is terrible or you are one sick and stupid guy.
Education is for the general advancement of the human race not to reinforce some State objectives. Are you from Communist Russia or a Wahabbi? Get into this century man!
If you are an example of a typical ”educated” Argentinian no wonder that place has grown poorer and stupider every year for the last 75 years. Your ignorance is shocking!
That's between you and Spain.
Thought you lot were the same but if Spain keep paying for the privilege of fishing in British territorial waters, I, personally couldn't give a flying fuck.
Now that Argentina is in the highly profitable business of fishing fishing boats
on the high seas, instead of fishes, it might be prudent for FIG to try obtain and/or construct a twin sister for HMS Clyde. One place, among others, could be ASMAR-Talcahuano. This is perhaps more urgent than it appears to be!
Philippe
@ 130 whose money is it?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcXNXKtu8z4&feature=related
''education is about equipping people with knowledge which re-enforces the state and it's ideology and creates people who can engage with society in a useful and lawful way''
Good grief, if this is what you really mean then you are one sick individual. And I'm quite glad we're never going to have anything to do with your education system. Perhaps your education system should forget teaching 'ideology' and teach you where to put an apostrophe instead.
I'm sure Spain doesn't fish in Argentine territory without permission. They've always been very good at getting the right licenses to fish in our waters. However, your fisheries authorities might have a better idea of what was going on if they spent less time worrying about what was going on in Falklands waters and more on managing their own.
Guatemala? What kind of random pick is that? What aren't we taught about Suriname? I don't know, I don't care both are irrelevant to the USA. Just like no one knew about Argentina until an Andrew Lloyd Webber musical about a Fascist and his whore ruining a very nice country...through song of course.
I am actually stunned by the stupidity in your comment. Do you really believe what you write or are you a Troll?
“what a load of colional engendered tosh you write” What's colonial about it exactly?
“what is sad about it is that for an intelligent person you appear of the opinion that education is a matter of uncontroversial knowledge.” No. where did ~i say that. But an education system should....well...educate.
NOT Indoctunate. Uncontroversial is one thing but teaching children as young as 4 years old that “ La Malvinas este Nosotros Tierra para siempre” is hardly education is it? Why do they need this baggage at such a young age? Teach the facts.
“it is not.education is about equipping people with knowledge which re-enforces the state and it's ideology”. I see. i did not realise this. thankyou for clearing this up. In the future I well be sure to tell my Argentine friends that independent thought cannot be tolerated unless it fits these parameters.
“and creates people who can engage with society in a useful and lawful way.” How does it do that then?
“it will have similar facts as other states where the knowledge is scientific etc ” Yes. Agreed. Facts are facts.
“but in other areas it will be different reflecting the history,the people and the geography etc”. In principle i agree.
”if the divergence between argentina's educational practice(not withstanding that it's not necessarily the finished article) and your expectations is a problem for you personally.please do not judge another country's educational system with another country's.that is a colonialist practice and reflects that a host country should accommodate non citizens as a priority.” -not at all. But if I speak to people who recently left school and they have trouble understanding that there is a Pacific Ocean as well as an Atlantic Ocean ( yes this actually happened) then I get concerned for my children. If this is “Colonial” then great. to me it means I care about my children's future.
here's a banana for you
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December 01, 2011
24Sanctions Are Only Part of the Story
Why Iranians Hate the British
by ROBERT FISK
It’s a weird irony that Iranians know the history of Anglo-Persian relations better than the Brits. When the newly installed Ministry of Islamic Guidance asked Harvey Morris, Reuters’ man in post-revolutionary Iran, for a history of his news agency, he asked his London office to send him a biography of Baron von Reuter – and was appalled to discover the founder of the world’s greatest news agency had built Persia’s railways at an immense profit. “How can I show this to the ministry?” he shouted. “It turns out that the Baron was worse than the Shah!” Of which, of course, the ministry was well aware.”
www.counterpunch.org/2011/12/01/why-iranians-hate-the-british/
can the perseption of Islas Malavinas Argentina be another one of this massive public indoctrinated ignorance ?? I think their atitude is more of massive british denial then indoctrination. evience sujest that in South America people theft to eat while the british kills to theft. if Libya isn't an example of that, I don't know what is ....
could you make line-breaks in your postings where you move from one topic to the next.
It makes it so much easier to understand your postings.
I know that we adapt the written English language for 'internet-talk' - like you using no capital letters -
but the 'bottom line' is that we must be able to extract the key arguments quickly and easily
Thanks,
Geoff.
People use far too many commas. Linking two clauses of a sentence with a comma where a semicolon or full stop would do is called a comma splice and shouldn't be done. Don't try to out- grammar me, boy.
Why Navy ships? The Royal Fleet Auxiliary seem to be doing well enough on their own... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15991898
118“ if what you said is true I am glad I was educated in Canada LOL even if racism kept me segregated from a normal life. Argentina's economy is the way it it because people like you like to leak the boots of UK and USA but your days are numbered”.
- What are you talking about? Argentina's economy will always continue to fail as long as the governments policy's and work laws stay in place. Nothing to do with “Licking the boots of US and UK” Actually Argentina was doing very well for itself when it had very close economic ties with the UK before Peron era I understand. Shame that the good relations we had have been completly overshadowned by the Government of Argentina's use of the Falklands as a political tool (from '82 onwards) to get the populas behind them in some kind of Nationalistic rally. 100 years ago the Argentine Governments didn't behave like this I'm sure and they did well. The country was rich. what happened? This can't be blamed on people “Licking the boots of the US and UK” ( I assume you made a typo). More like licking the the Ar** of the voters (huge percentage not working or working in “Black”). Get them on your side and you can stay in power no matter how incompetent you are. Give them a holiday or two. Or give them a few more pesos a month unemployment benefit. Argentina now has become the “mob” mentality. CFK knows how to “control” the mob with sweetners and nationalistic drum beats. She wins. Argentina loses. If the ecomomy every got to a stage where it produced a middle class then her and her cronies would be out on ther ear. She knows this so she is happy to keep the population poor. Sorry but I see no good future for Argentina in the near future while she is still around.
Why are my days numbered?
Our curriculum is not like Argentina, we are taught that Fascism is BAD, Communist are our enemies, Socialists drain the economy by stealing from the rich to give to the poor. Taking welfare is bad, giving to charities is good. What are you taught? Peron and whore were good for your country? Probably. It is very sad because the indoctrination has killed the innovative and entrepreneurial spirit in your country. The poor expect to be taken care of from cradle to grave by the state. Every year, more and more poor and they get dumber and dumber each generation. The rich keep their money out of the real economy so it is not stolen and then move the profits to a legitimate country. It is only going to get worse not better.
I wonder what the new land appropriation bill will do next year? Break up the big farms to give it to the poor like Zimbabwe/Venezuela because that worked so well? Scary stuff coming out of CFK now that her time is secured.
Monty69-I will not try to better you at grammar or washing dishes.!;:-)
yankeyboy-Your intelligence let's you down as with all your well-rounded education you only remembered how to be offensive.Personally I feel you might be made of better stuff than that,but then again I suppose some yanks get an education but don't do too well.(don't you feel for their parents)
Existing-in-argentina-Education/indoctrination.Yanquis teach that G Washington founded the USA .which is that E/I.god made the world which is that E/I I could go on.my point is,is that knowledge is not some neutral information,it is loaded with ideology.Today I spoke to a man of 82 years of age and he told me he is still learning.Now you give me the impression that you might not value what he is learning still.Here I am hoping for your response because I'm going somewhere with you.Knowledge/information/memory/interpretation/etc
Geoff again-that was difficult but you requested and I want to be understood thank you xx
It's easy to teach one view of history, it's harder to teach a neutral objective view. All nations school history texts are colored by national ideology to some degree. Perhaps it is a question of degree and a question of examining historical disputes from all sides without offering a conclusion to offer a balanced account?
Well said.
I could not say what you have said if I tried to do it in your language.
We talk well to each other.
Geoff.
I suppose this is why it is often important, especially for school children, to obtain primary and secondary sources from the main viewpoints and then compare and contrast; then for the teacher to ask the students to reflect and consider why they differ. History is the story of politics, but if one is not careful, politicians revises history. Then the individual is free to choose their own interpretation - not that any academic lessons are considered important, when it is play time is the most important time of the day and lessons just fill the gaps!
If an event happened it happened. Why did happen? This is where yo have to be carful with perspective. It happened because of previous events which can be quantified. If there is a statement (written letter, recording etc) that gives what they were thinking to make those decisions then fair enough. Include their “perspective”. Having your own perspective/theory is great for debate. But making your own perspective and then teaching that to others as though it is generaly exepted I don't think is the right approach. This can then get so easily skewed and twisted. Like chinese whispers. History is full of states and leaders twisting history to fit there own agenda. That's why i like the facts so I can make up my own mind and create my own theories without predudice from others.
So what does yankboy think about the topic.
“History is written by the Victors” is the saying. But history tells us that the true facts come out in the end!
Sorry,
but history is written by 'historians';
very few of whom were actually 'there'.
One of the conspicuous exceptions was Churchill,
an even better historian than the warrior, politician, statesman and fine artist that he also was.
''we have an agreement that history is written by states.It's called a patriotic view of events,action''
You might think this is normal, or even acceptable, but we don't. We don't have an official version of events, and we don't have any set way of teaching history. The history curriculum is framed as a series of questions and teachers and students are free to use whatever sources they can find. We don't teach children what to think.
History shoud be written by individuals.
Contrary to some opinions I am neither MI5 or any other section of the State. Although I may be in a state :-)
Age, sun and beer - what can I say ?
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I absolutely do not agree with any idea of a state version of history, sorry. And history exams in the UK and here are designed to test students ability to reason and handle sources. There is no 'intended' way of understanding the subject matter. In fact you are most likely to get the top grades for something original, even controversial, as long as it's well argued.
Falkland Islands history is not examined here. It is studied though, with an emphasis on social and cultural histories, oral histories and gathering and recording primary sources. Students decide for themselves what they want to investigate. Some of the best projects appear in the Falkland Islands Journal.
They also examine the pupils to ensure that they have understood the subject matter in the way they intended.” Yul
Whilst many politicians are graduates - therefore intellectually trained - few politicians are historians. Most politicians attempt to 'create history' and strive to see it recording them and their actions in the best light.
The syllabus in schools is largely a syllabus for learning 'received wisdom', which frequently has a nationalistic perspective (bias).
It is not taught as a discipline of *research*, whereby a person so taught can examine the time-line of thought and the gradual accretion of historical belief (='fact') through examining the body of source material and 'all' points of view.
I was not taught about the rise and fall of the Roman Empire, the Napoleonic wars, and The Armada, from the Italian, French and Spanish perspectives. There were early-taught topics where - it was thought - relatively uncritical learning was sufficient.
But I was taught about the causations of the Great Depression, WWII, and segregation of Europe; all as multi-faceted critical analyses.
Books documenting different perspectives were in short supply and city libraries were invaluable. Original papers and reports were things we knew existed but rarely saw.
Then in the 1990s came THE WORLD-WIDE WEB.
The internet today, with its huge virtual archives accessible with a few key-strokes, make an Alladin's Cave - a heaven - for the enquiring school student, undergraduate, postgraduate, or other interested person.
History and historical research can become as addictive as ?heroin - and participatory. Anybody can become 'a historian' and there is much blurring of the boundaries between the professional and the amateur. But the 'bottom line' is RIGOUR.
The key thing is to avoid using the internet etc as just a reinforcer of one's earlier predjudices - a potent trap when we have entrenched beliefs.
''The syllabus in schools is largely a syllabus for learning 'received wisdom', which frequently has a nationalistic perspective (bias)''
Where are you talking about? I just had a look at the Edexcel GCSE History specification, as it's a while since I had anything to do with this, and I'm just not seeing this at all.
There is also a lot more British history than there used to be so I stand corrected on that. The Falklands conflict is even in there!
I also have to say that I wouldn't even teach the Spanish Armada to 10 year olds without asking them to look critically at it from a Spanish and English perspective.
With local history it's probably less a problem but with international history I think it is extremely difficult not to have a bias.Recognising this is the point I was wishing to make,at the start of this thread
Still using caps Geoff,and not too many commas,M69.;-/
Monty,
I was talking about when *I* studied history, not the present Edexel syllabus.
The Armada is much more easily studied these days as a critical analysis *because* of the internet.
#158
Sorry,
but history is written by 'historians';
very few of whom were actually 'there'.
I think I understand what your saying. In Antuquity certainly. Only a very few accounts servive from this period so we get a very narrow viewpoint. What I was thinking was more modern history, say the last 100 years where it has been much easier for personal accounts to servive and be used. I'm thinking of Soldiers in the WW1 trenches, Ann Frank diarys etc. In the case of Ann Frank she was no Historian but her work has been hugly important to Historians.
“One of the conspicuous exceptions was Churchill,
an even better historian than the warrior, politician, statesman and fine artist that he also was”.
I have not read anything by Churchill but I would be interested to know how this historian documented his own history. He commited acts of genocide (famine in WW2 India) and some terrible things (Kenya, South African concentration camps) but is seen today as hero (perspective?). What he did has been documented. What he say's he did is not necesarily correct but gives insight to what he was thinking at the time to make the decisions he did ( for example).
The Famine was a natural disaster, India entered the famine year with substantial food surplus. An official ‘Food Drive’ in Bengal did not result in the release of hoarded stocks. It was believed that fear of the famine & War actually increased hoarding. The other Indian provinces who had a surplus of food refused the government's order to ship it to Bengal fearing that the famine may spread & they refused to believe that Bengal had run out of food thinking that traders were hording huge stockpiles for profit. The Provincial governments, their public servants and some key people in the Indian civil service believed that Bengal had plenty of food, which could be made available with good administration. By the time everyone realized Bengal had no food it was too late. Aid was sent via Australia but had to go part way over land as the japanese had blocked many ports & any aid sent from the west would have arrived too late given the distance & would have had to run the gauntlet of U boats. To blame Churchill is just wrong, The Indian authorities refused to believe a famine was even occurring & even though they had enough food they refused to send it to Bengal & by the time they did it was too late to do anything about it.
i do like the quote though about about how he “never went to bed with an ugly woman, but I've woken up with a few”. He was probably fun to be with down the pub!!
Britain (and the rest of the world in reality) was lucky to have Churchill during the war years.
He big mistake after that was to think that the country owed him something and was aghast when he lost the election.
The Labour pratts that follwed him soon f...cked everything up however, just like they do everytime they get elected Blair / Brown and all their loser mates, more of the same pratts.
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