Friday, December 30th 2011 - 06:36 UTC

Uruguay suggests changing to the red ensign for Falklands’ vessels to operate in Montevideo

No changes are needed in current legislation to bar vessels flying the Malvinas flag from entering Uruguayan ports, but Uruguay also speculates that if the vessels change to the English flag there will be no problems, according to a report from the Foreign Affairs ministry.

Almagro believes this option will fulfil President Mujica’s decision

“It is clear we don’t need to make changes to current legislation” for the implementation of the Mercosur decision barring Malvinas flagged vessels said Uruguay’s Foreign Affairs minister Luis Almagro based on a report from the head of the Ministry’s International Law issues Desk, Carlos Mata.

“This reaffirms the fact that it is not possible to allow access to Uruguayan ports of any vessel flying such a flag”, said Almagro in a letter sent to the Ministry of Defence.

Thus Uruguayan government officials and from the private sector coincide that vessels with certificates awarded by the Falklands only need to fly the UK flag and not from the Islands to continue operating in Montevideo.

This way Uruguayan president Jose Mujica will be able to comply with his decision to bar vessels with flying the Malvinas flag but at the same time not affect other vessels, mainly fishing vessels from Spanish companies, which generate several million dollars for services and taxes in Montevideo, said Almagro.

However the Uruguayan services private sector is not so sure changing of flat can be that easy, since it is not an automatic process and certain certificates must be obtained for such an operation.  

Maritime Law expert Alejandro Sciarra pointed out that the UK admits as a subsidiary the Falklands flag which “belongs to the UK”, but contains a “particular individualization”.

Sciarra believes that flying the English flag on Falklands vessels “won’t be automatic” and strongly argued that the UK might not yield since it is not in line with its current policy towards Malvinas and could also be interpreted as a demonstration of weakness before Mercosur (and Argentina).

The Uruguayan law expert also indicated that the Spanish fishing vessels currently operating from Malvinas and Montevideo could easily move to alternative ports, for example, in Namibia.
 

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1 Beef (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 09:59 am Report abuse
Looks once again like this ban is all hot air for the aural benefit of the Argentine ear. Almagro is looking for a way to weasel out of this presidential announcement but will continue to see those FI flagged vessels come and go.

Are you happy with words Argentina?
2 Frank (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 10:06 am Report abuse
ships from 'the Falklands only need to fly the UK flag and not from the Islands to continue operating in Montevideo.'
Then again they could just take their business elsewhere
3 Lord Ton (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 11:35 am Report abuse
“It is clear we don’t need to make changes to current legislation” for the implementation of the Mercosur decision barring Malvinas flagged vessels said Uruguay’s Foreign Affairs minister Luis Almagro ”

Err - yes you do. No change in the law = no change on the ground !
4 Papamoa (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 12:32 pm Report abuse
The Falklands should build stronger links with Africa and the rest of the FREE World, and its New Port will Help considerably towards achieving that goal!!

Keep the Falklands Flag flying proud and don't let the B*****ds grind you down!!!

Long Live the Falklands.
5 Kipling (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 12:50 pm Report abuse
do you believe is good for buying FI licences? what kind of problems are you goona have? big risk for the future of FI.
6 Lord Ton (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 01:03 pm Report abuse
'Falklands History' on Facebook - for those numpties who still haven't worked out who I am :-)

Getting the message out - everywhere !!
7 Hands Off (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 01:06 pm Report abuse
I love when Uruguay ignores the wishes of its poor and corrupt neighbor :)
8 Islas Malvinas (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 01:21 pm Report abuse
That´s because the British flag enjoys international recognition... a thing that the FIs flag misses.
9 briton (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 01:36 pm Report abuse
if the falklands are argentina, as they say, then how can you bann your own ships from your own ports, [another home goal]
the falklands are british, and soon to be followed by british patagonia .
yes we think we can rack this up a bit,
[number 8]
glad you know how recognisable we british are ,
a thing that argentina misses perhaps .
10 Yo (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 02:01 pm Report abuse
9.briton

You show your real face. You want to do with la patagonia the same you did with Malvinas. You recongnize that you steal territories.

7 Hands Off (#) JAJAJA you have to put on your kness and change your flag.... you can´t use it... that is sad.
11 Hands Off (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 02:10 pm Report abuse
FI Flag and Union Jack are the same thing. I don't mind bowing to my queen to change the flag. In Uruguay's port though we don't need to do that as Uruguay has stuck its finger up at plastic face :)
12 Alexx (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 02:38 pm
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13 xbarilox (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 02:56 pm Report abuse
@ 8 Nope, that's because this ban is a joke. Did you really believe that Uruguay would waste their chance to make good money just because CFK tells them to? T O S S E R!
14 Yo (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 02:57 pm Report abuse
12 Alexx (#)
“Long live, long live”. they are going to die when the have to no matter what you say.

11 Hands Off (#)
There is some things i cant understand about you.
You use to say that you are not south american, but if you look at a map you´ll discover that you are south american in fact.

Now you say that your illegal falklands flag is the same that british one.
Have you pay attention to them???? they are very diferent
I am concerned about you.

es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandera_de_las_islas_Malvinas
take a look at this link that is your fake flag, the one you can´t use in south america.

Anyway the most important is Mercosur supports Argentina on its claim,
and ask great britain to sit and talk about sovereignty in order to stop with this colonia.
15 Kelper San (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 02:58 pm Report abuse
my bad time travelling like the argis 1833
16 Hands Off (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 03:04 pm Report abuse
#14 I was born in Scotland but live in Uruguay. I have no connection to the FI but for the fact that I believe and support their right to self determination. Argentina is a non-sense and can't be taken seriously. The company it keeps is also a joke (Chavez).
17 Alexx (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 03:12 pm
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18 Hands Off (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 03:20 pm Report abuse
#17 Which Republic?
19 Yo (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 03:23 pm Report abuse
I don´t think that is Chavez the one who supports Argentina´s rigths but Venezuela. Anyway there are a lot of countries even the UN that claims UK to negotiate so i disagree with you.
The ones who live in the islands can´t have the right to self-determination because the were implanted by uk so the are not impartial.

Let me put an example.
If i go to your house and expulse you from it, you will go to authorities and claim. But i say that i have right to live on yours house.
Where are those rights based on?????

The real fact is that i have usurped your house and i cannot say that i have any right.

Do you understand our position?
20 ElaineB (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 03:38 pm Report abuse
There is nothing to negotiate. Being told to 'go and talk' is just another way of telling Argentina to 'go away'.

Nothing has changed; nothing will change.
21 Alexx (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 03:52 pm
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22 Beef (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 04:49 pm Report abuse
Yo - If you feel that the Falkland Islanders do not have the right to determine their own future then why does you gvt not challenge this at the only suitable forum, the ICJ? (does the Kosovo ruling worry you?)

Ships flying the FI flag are still apparently welcome in South America. This ship is currently enjoying Uruguayan hospitality.

www.marinetraffic.com/ais/shipdetails.aspx?MMSI=740352000

Next time you choose to post a lot of rubbish then at least try to back it up.
23 geo (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 06:13 pm Report abuse
** 22 beef

the “” Self Determination “” on ( quasi !) Malvinas is neither UK government nor Argentina government offial argument...!!
they don't even make it discussed at their own media..

you can't show us any documents on this matter...!!

you make it up yourself meaninglessly....!!
24 geo2 (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 06:18 pm Report abuse
there are no any people at Malvinas....merely 500-600 soldier
and their families + semi neglected military employee houses..
25 geo (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 06:25 pm Report abuse
** beef

by the way that

my London sources say that there are no oil/gas at these islands around
also some teams left there...
26 Hands Off (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 06:46 pm Report abuse
This is why I love Uruguay: www.marinetraffic.com/ais/default.aspx?mmsi=740352000&centerx=-56.20111&centery=-34.89935&zoom=10&type_color=9

All the smart Argentinians have their money in Uruguay because they know its safe. Property prices in Argentina have fallen like a rock while Uruguay's skyrockets from the migration of money. Argentines don't trust their own government. Who would when you look at history. I still can't believe there are some Argentines (or are they from some other poor SA country?) who support their government. Is the government promising to throw you another bag of rice from the bandwagon?
27 geo (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 07:01 pm Report abuse
** 26 hand -off

impartially true ... this shows us the some argentine people are what a clever group ...aren't they !! some money at Uruguay..some money at Carribean Off Shore countries....some money at Swiss...some money at Luxembourg....like some other countries' clever persons....!!

by the way ..

the meaning of Hand Off is “”UK hand off“” ??
BECOUSE
i remember from Robert Mugawe ' speechs ,frequently says
“” UK hand off ....UK hand off...UK hand off........“”
28 xbarilox (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 07:14 pm Report abuse
@ 26 You don't have to tell more, my parents have invested in Rockhopper for a reason :)
29 geo2 (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 07:16 pm Report abuse
** Hand Off

do you want to discuss with me here about English adventures in Zimbabwe ??
30 ChrisR (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 07:29 pm Report abuse
27 geo

Using Robert Mugabe (note spelling) as an example holds you up to ridicule.

There are however similarities with how he runs his country and how Argentina is run:
No thought for the people, only the 'Presidents' cronies (tick)
Don't give a damn about monetary inflation, just lie about it (tick)
Allow the cronies to go abroad and spend their ill gotten gains to buy luxuries the people cannot afford (tick)
Turn the country into a laughing stock internationally by telling lies (BIG TICK)

I could go on it's boring me, knowing you will only come back with personal abuse, or if not you, the Pretend Irishman.
31 Beef (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 07:39 pm Report abuse
Geo - Have you been smoking something you shouldn't have?

The constitutional relationship between the UK and the BOTs has self-determination at its core as evidenced by the 1999 white paper Partnership for Progress and Prosperity: Britain and the Overseas Territories.

If you want to deny the people of the FI this right then you would need to do so at the ICJ. The Argentine gvt appear to chicken out on this, bit like Marcos and Think chickening out of me little wagers (must be a national trait).

Regarding oil, there are huge amount of oil and we will find out how much when sealion becomes a books asset in the next three months :-) If it is not oil then I suppose we have found a new black and sticky combustable substance under the sea bed.
32 geo (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 08:06 pm Report abuse
** beef

you say Uk &BOT
where is well said Malvinas people ?
you know the differences between “” self determination“” and
“” impartial self admin “”..should be noticed on meaning elasticities..

my London sources say that they 36 deep drilled in last 14 months
the result is disappointment..has't revealed yet becouse the reasons of
stock manipulations have..
33 geo2 (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 08:12 pm Report abuse
** 30 cris

i said to discuss the English Adventures in History of Zimbabwe
not recent popular media's antipropaganda news.

Mugawe is used in originally especially by his clan.
34 Beef (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 08:18 pm Report abuse
Hmm geo, 36 drilled in 14 months? How is that possible and what did they drill with. Your maths is a bit flawed there. Time for the medication?
35 geo2 (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 08:24 pm Report abuse
beef

36 drill..14 months
you see that how they are very ambitious

if you ask ,are they wise men ? ... i think not !!
36 briton (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 08:43 pm Report abuse
14 Yo (#
But alas it was you, who wishes to steal what is not yours,
All we want to do is live in peace,
But sadly an arrogant violent aggressive Neighbour wont let us ..

geo2
my London sources say thatArgentina is finnished,
37 geo2 (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 08:50 pm Report abuse
** 36 brit

details ??....please ...!!
38 Frank (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 08:56 pm Report abuse
@37 start here... en.mercopress.com/2011/12/30/riots-and-institutional-crisis-in-cristina-fernandez-santa-cruz-province
39 xbarilox (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 09:13 pm Report abuse
The UK has millions of people, but the only ones that participate in these forums are always the same people, with some Cuban expats and some Mexican immigrants in the USA. Is it because they don't care? Come on people, make some more new accounts and post more comments. We're aiming for all or nothing here!
40 geo2 (#) Dec 30th, 2011 - 09:27 pm Report abuse
** 38 frank

don't you know the Argentine living style ??...it has always been chaotic !
41 johnfarrel2050 (#) Dec 31st, 2011 - 12:37 am Report abuse
Britain sooner or later will have to give back the Malvinas Islands (as other territories stolen by UK). The pirates time is over.
42 lsolde (#) Dec 31st, 2011 - 05:44 am Report abuse
@41johnfarrel2050,
Argentina sooner or later will have to give back the land they stole from Paraguay(as other territories stolen by Argentina, e.g.Patagonia).
The pirates time is over.
43 Lord Ton (#) Dec 31st, 2011 - 09:19 am Report abuse
JF - Luis Vernet said that !
44 Papamoa (#) Dec 31st, 2011 - 12:45 pm Report abuse
And they all lived Happily ever after!!

Long Live the Falklands
45 Hands Off (#) Dec 31st, 2011 - 04:13 pm Report abuse
OK lets talk about how Argentina is turning into Zimbabwe. By the way is CFK manic-depressive? Seems she has the characteristics of this disorder.
46 GeoffWard2 (#) Jan 01st, 2012 - 12:38 pm Report abuse
If Uruguay find this flag 'inconvenient', then they might, conveniently, ban all flags of convenience from Uraguayan ports and waters.

Nothing like being consistent, is there.

“OMG, where have all the ships gone???”
47 Kipling (#) Jan 01st, 2012 - 07:07 pm Report abuse
GRANDE LULA!!!!! For my dear Friend, if anybody has any question of Brazil possition of Malvinas, pleas, look at this
www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=IvHJKwEvypY
48 Lord Ton (#) Jan 02nd, 2012 - 12:29 am Report abuse
Kipper - youtube is evidence of nothing. BUT Brazil have been very quiet on this.

After all, most of the oil industry around the Falklands uses Brazil's ports.
49 Valle Ricardo (#) Jan 02nd, 2012 - 03:51 am Report abuse
19 Yo sushi
Let me put an example.
If i go to your house and expulse you from it, you will go to authorities and claim. But i say that i have right to live on yours house.
Where are those rights based on?????

The real fact is that i have usurped your house and i cannot say that i have any right.

Do you understand our position?
You are so thick it's funny.
you didn't go to his house at all. you went back to your own house after you locked it up and went on holiday. when you came back you found squatters. then you threw them out. But the squatters didn't like it and continue to complain to this day.
please dont try to write anything again as you are an idiot.
50 lsolde (#) Jan 02nd, 2012 - 05:47 am Report abuse
@49VR,
Agreed. He is that, a complete raving idiot.
51 ChrisR (#) Jan 02nd, 2012 - 11:02 am Report abuse
33 geo2
“Mugawe is used in originally especially by his clan.”

Please provide an example as I cannot find anything to support you.

Perhaps you saw an incorrectly spelt version?
52 ynsere (#) Jan 03rd, 2012 - 03:36 pm Report abuse
HMS Protector in Port of Montevideo. When questioned by the press, Uruguayan president Mujica said, “GB is an experienced power, they know how to do things. They're laughing. Besides, we haven't closed anything to them. We just said, 'Fly your own flag, come and go under your flag.'” Translated from El Observador, a Uruguayan national daily.

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