Argentina says no change in Mercosur decision to bar Falklands’ flagged vessels
Argentina in two brief statements said on Tuesday that there has been no change in Mercosur members’ position to bar Falklands’ flagged vessels from the region’s ports and that the United Kingdom admits that such policy has become effective.
Earlier in the day the Foreign Secretary William Hague addressed a statement to Parliament updating the dispute over Falklands’ flagged vessels saying that following on ‘productive and honest discussions’ with Uruguay, Chile and Brazil, these countries have no intention of participating in an economic blockade of the Falkland Islands and that all Falklands-related commercial shipping will continue to enjoy access to their ports, in accordance with domestic and international law, if they are flying the Red Ensign or another national flag when docked.
From Buenos Aires the ministry said that following on press reports attributing Foreign Secretary William Hague had achieved a change of position in the region regarding the barring of vessels flying the illegal flag of the Malvinas Islands from the ports of Brazil, Chile and Uruguay, “Foreign Affairs minister Hector Timerman personally contacted his peers Antonio Patriota, Alfredo Moreno and Luis Almago who confirmed that their respective governments had not modified their position since the adoption of the Mercosur and associate states 20 December declaration regarding vessels flying the illegal flag of the Malvinas Islands” and as such was transmitted to the government of the UK.
In a previous statement Argentina argues that Foreign Secretary William Hague admitted to Parliament that no vessel flying the ‘illegal’ flag from the Malvinas Islands will be allowed to dock in ports from Mercosur full members or associate members.
“In his 10 January statement Hague reports that after having talked on two occasions with the Uruguayan Foreign Affairs minister Luis Almagro and after several other dealings with the governments of Chile and Brazil, it has become evident that vessels with the ‘illegitimate’ Malvinas flag will have to replace it”, reads the Argentine statement.
Furthermore the Argentine release says that in his report “Hague describes Argentine diplomatic initiatives as a commercial blockade. However these actions are in the framework of the defence of renewable and non renewable natural resources which belong to the Argentine people as acknowledged among others by all the countries of the region”.
Finally the Foreign Secretary underlines the need to respect the principles of the United Nations charter “without mentioning that the UK has not complied with ten resolutions from the General Assembly and 29 resolutions from the UN Decolonization Committee which call on both sides (Argentina and the UK) to resume negotiations on the Falklands/Malvinas sovereignty dispute”.
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the only illegitimates are those RG bastards...
Is it just me or does Timmerman look particularly like Pob in this photo?
With this action the complete region is telling “ Falklands are illegal ” but the most important thing and speak about the nature of all of you is you guys (i mean complete UK) are obbeeying and acepting the situation and decide to LOW the illegal Flag when need to access to SA ports.....undertstand the situation ? Clearly you were humilliated and forced by Mercosur policy and you only obey.....thats how things will going . Wake up and low down your illegal flag
No, you don't get it.
You can't tell us to be humiliated. Either we feel it or we don't. I should point out that the 'whole UK' couldn't care less. The Falkland Islands is not an issue of national pride for the UK, and the UK has no interest whatsoever in getting SA to do what it wants.
We are just as proud to fly the Red Ensign as our own flag. That's the whole point.
We are very well aware that you can force us to compromise by making pointless gestures by your bullying tactics. This is nothing new. It reflects badly on you, not us.
The fact that we are happy to do it to keep our way of life and independence and to avoid becoming part of Argentina should be a source of shame to you all.
Take a long hard look at yourselves and ask why that might be.
Politians dont you just love them!
Long Live the Falklands.
Crazy, deluded, people. Just wish Timmidman would make his mind up.
Do they not realise the more they spout the more their lies show up?
Gotta love the trolling tactics.
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Hua hua hua
What is it? I smell weakness in the UK.
No you can smell the Bull**it coming from your post!!!
And the only illegal invaders would be the argentines that arrived in 1982.
Long Live the Falklands.
Vivan las Islas Malvinas!
No, this is being humilliated
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhLzDC6bLPE&feature=related
Look at Spain 300 years and they still can't get Gibraltar, same for you guys, just like Nasser hussein in 1967, your all talk and rhetoric but 0 ability to achieve your desired outcome :)
But keep it up with each belligerent, knee jerk reaction and crude insults by your insane president the Falklands drift ever further away from Argentina....Argentina has tried everything except the one thing which might work....be nice good neighbours to the islanders :)
Now the islanders are set to become the richest people as a % of GDP, there is very little you can do except get angry and ban yourselves from the Islands....
Now the war is being carried out by our diplomats.
UK giving Malvinas back via diplomacy will be humilliating and a indicator of its decadence.
There is NOTHING to give back except for some old argentine land mines!! as for Diplomacy argentina is very child like in expecting the UK to simply give them the Falklands just because they say its there's!!
Come back in a Hundred years when you have grown up!
Long Live the Falklands.
I totally agree with you!!
Great that you have seen the light, argentine politians have failed there population so many times and until they change and concentrate on there own economy they will keep making stupid misconceptions about the Falklands!!
Long Live the Falklands.
In that case take a plane and leave the islands while you still can... because your democratic friends there won´t like to have an islander backing Argentina around...
Re-read your post !!
UK won't give back the Falklands, End of story!!!
Long Live the Falklands.
End of Story my ass...
Argentines scream and shout and demand. It might work for your President in Argentina but it does not work in the the world of adults. You just look like spoilt brats to the rest of the world.
It does not matter what you say the islands will never be yours unless you manage to talk the Falkland Islander into becoming Argentines.
Nothing has changed and nothing will change.
Long Live the Falklands.
You also keep mentioning the world supports Argentina's claim. But who actually does? Brazil, Chile & Uruguay say they do, and they go to small lengths to support Argentina, but they all say they will not take part in Argentina's blockade of the Falklands.
The world is represented by the UN, and the UN just keeps approving a resolution that was made in the 1960s and this resolution only calls for the negotiations. It does not pescribe an outcome. So how is this support? If anything, according to the UN Resolutions (that states any outcome must be in the interests of the Falklands population) and the UN Charter (Self-Determination to all peoples), the UN and therefore the world supports the Falkland Islanders right to self-determination.
Insulting Falkland Islanders in a foreign language? Is that your strategy?
It doesn't seem to be working.
so...179 years of insult South America.....please somebody could call guiness ?? thats a record !!!
My friend, sonner or later the UK will have to face the truth.
The world includes a few other countries apart from Brazil, Chile and Uruguay. The international comunity supports Argentinas demand on negotiations. And about the blockadge... Argentina is not expecting an economic blockadge. It´s only about not accepting the nonrecognized ilegal flag.
Of course the UN does not describe an outcome... it is the UK and Argentina that should agree on what the outcome would be. How is this support? Clearly by recognizing the existence of a sovereignty dispute (denied by the UK) in which Argentina has something to say and talk about with the UK. So the world is recognizing there´s something to negotiate and NOT saying: “the islands are British, full stop”.
Stop lieing to yourself... if the UN did support the right of self determination of the islanders, it wouldn´t be calling both Parties to resume negotiations, don´t you think? If your statement was true, then UN would say: “Hey! There´s nothing to talk about... if it´s the islanders how have the last word, don´t you see it Argentina?” Well, no, that´s not the case.
UN does not recognize the self determination of islanders. Malvinas is a particular colonial situation.
Don´t lie. Thank you.
However, politics is not so rational sometimes, and unexpected things happen...
Let's remind ourselves that it is not the whole UK approving the idea of maintaining a colony in the Argentinian Seaside. Nowadays the UK is governed by a group of right-wingers and conservative who represent more the willing of corporations and financial speculators. And it is THEIRS voices the ones that the corporate media is broadcasting nowadays...
So part of the british public opinion may be part of the anti-colonialism side in this conflict. Stop investing public money on a colony that only benefits avaricious corporations seems to be a good idea.
And future changes situations in unexpected ways sometimes... A couple of years ago there were rumors about abolition of monarchy at the UK, nowadays after all the fairy tale circus we've seen on 2011 things have changed...
And apart from this... The Argentinian claim for sovereignty is not based only on political opportunism, it is the expression of societies who express honestly their dislike for colonialism, and imperial bullying, and the grabbing of resources. This is a REALITY, and these topics are always avoided by those who support the british presence in SouthAmerica.
So even if opportunities seem to be not many for Argentina, it is really noble to express ideas with honesty, it represents human strength.
After all, in the last months Argentina have only expressed a few words and proceeding diplomatically and peacefully and the UK authorities got very anxious only about this... So why are they making a fuss if their facts and bases and presence in this part of the world is so legal and fair¿?
Its also 179+ years of british sovereignty in the falklands whish is a record as no other country, not spain, not france and sure as hell not argentina since they never held the islands, has beaten the UKs record for the longest period of sovereignty over the islands. Ohh and its 179+years of argentine cry babies spitting their dummies out, not granted thats probably the record for crying the longest but its sure not one anyone else would be proud to hold LOL.
Just a little group of corporative thieves selling cheap nationalism to british people in order to get a vote.
Disgusting... What a coward attitude to avoid diplomatic calls of the International Community.
The over-confident English Government was soundly defeated again.
I don't see loads of countries lining up to tell the UK what they think.
I think you turkeys are a little short on the support you “think” you have.
Saying no to Argentina is just so easy :-)
Long Live the Falklands.”
AHAHAHAHHAHAHHAAH!!
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS!!
#45,beef:”Marcos - Exocet may sink some ships but Argentine words are worthless.
Saying no to Argentina is just so easy :-)
AHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHA!
Let see beef:This is a special year for Argentina, as the country celebrates the revolution that led to its independence 200 years ago. And we think it is a good time to mark and celebrate our long standing relation with Argentina which is as old as Argentina itself.
Looking back we can be proud to say that the United Kingdom was the first European country to recognize Argentina’s independence. In the Ambassador’s Residence, we still keep Woodbine Parrish’s trunk. Parrish served as a British diplomat in Buenos Aires between 1825 and 1832. He signed the Treaty of Friendship, Commerce and Navigation with Argentina in February 1825. It was the first treaty signed by the future Argentina Republic with a European country.
ukinargentina.fco.gov.uk/en/about-us/our-embassy/our-ambassador/hma-messages/hma-msg-april
Keeping the words beef prick???
Not from uk....miserable country!
“So part of the british public opinion may be part of the anti-colonialism side in this conflict. ”
You will find all opinions on every subject in the UK. That's becasue we have not been indocirinated from an early age to believe only one viewpoint. In spite of that, you will probably find a greater percentage of Argentinians who either don't give a sh*t or actually have the opposite view to you. In fact, one of my Argentinian friends in Spain recently asked me “Have the Falkland Islands ever actually belonged to Argentina?” Your propaganda methods must be slipping.
It's actually irrelevant whether you dislike or like colonialism (it's an outdated concept that doesn't exist anymore except as a glint in the eye of the Argentinian government). It's only relevant to the so-called “colonial peoples” and if they like it and think that they have an equal partneship with the administering country, then that is the end of it. Full stop. End of story.
“And future changes situations in unexpected ways sometimes...”
So, that about sums up Argentina's strategy. “We know we haven't got a hope in hell, but who knows, things might change.” Keep on dreaming, then wake up and see what things are like in the real world..
“... it is really noble to express ideas with honesty, it represents human strength.”
That is possibly the funniest things I have heard on this forum. There is nothing noble about a the government of a large nation persecuting a small island community. There is nothing noble about a government indocrinating its own population and using them as pawns to inflate their politicians' egos, perpetuate their own political dynasties and line their pockets. That is about as weak and ignoble as you can get.
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Flag_of_the_Falkland_Islands.svg
Can you show me the flag of Las Malvinas? No, because there is no such thing as the Malvinas flag, but just lies.
What's the big deal with a change of flag that the Malvinists feel so excited about? The Falklanders are British citizens, they will be more than happy using the Union Jack if that's the case and the vessels will use another country's flag, because it's just something symbolic, nothing that some papers can't fix, business they call it, as usual. Whatever the flag is, vessels will be coming and going from and to the islands. This Argentine nationalism smells like poop.
@ 41 “nationalism to british people in order to get a vote” what a joke, do you really believe that people in the UK give sh*t about the falklands? They live their lives, the UK is not Argentina ninny. As if people in the UK feel nationalists about the falklands, cheap or not hahaha why are you barking at the moon now? wasn't this another VICTORY of CFK's goverment? weren't you feeling great? Apart from your voices, where are all those voices you're talking about? I can't hear them. Business, as usual :)
Argentina is a peaceful democracy for thirty years now commited to find a peaceful solution to the Malvinas dispute.
And again, the over-confident English Government was soundly defeated again.
And this is not about CFK victories, the Malvinas issue is no headline at newspaper in Argentina.
And about those who talk about propaganda and authoritarian government: The government we have is taking decisions that corporations used to take for us. Some groups are not happy with the willing of the majorities. Nothing new, corporations do not fancy democracies. But well. Where you see Authoritarism I see authority, and a government who has been chosen by people and has shown real results in economy, social care, growth, compromise with ideals, etc.
So many people who nobody voted for choose over our lives (argentinians and british included), why always pointing at leaders who were elected??
Do you think that propaganda is only managed at official governments? FOX News is Propaganda too, Movies at the cinema, even music. Wake Up!
Colonialism never existed according to those supporting the UK Government's position, right?
I have no time to read all the responses now, but I am trying to be sincere, you can be sure about that. I say what I think, I have a honest manner and I try to keep it polite, hoping the rest can keep that level too.
And you dont even thank us Brits
I see symbols must matter to you. To me they are a waste of time and do not deliver a god rate of return. If this is the best victory you can come up with then you must have exceedingly low standards of achievement.
There will be no war and there will be no legal challenge. Your gvt do not have the guts to attempt either.
You claim to be a peaceful democracy? How is press freedom in your officially “flawed democracy”?
The peaceful solution has already been established and is being lived out by the islanders. There is nothing you or your nation can do about it. I know this is hard for you to accept but coming to terms with it will be your first step in your therapy.
Malviner - you see the politeness of us Brits is world renowned and congratulations on your bi-centenary. I see you have seen that our political an lass and royalty do not resort to words like “pirates forever”, and I have sympathy that you have to put up with a political class that lack such statesmanship. Perhaps after assisting you in your return to democracy you will learn about political protocol and how to actually get things done and not just talk about them.
Find a British who says that Colonialism never existed, find just one British who denies that and I will believe your propaganda :) Colonialism in in British history books. They don't deny it.
Get used to it.
Why do think the SNP has avoided a referendum :-)
we have got used to it that's why we don't give a toss about anything you say or do,
xbarilox
my hope for you is that one day you and the good Argentine people will have a “peaceful democracy” in your country, as we do in our country, and when that day comes as it will, I for one will be happy for the Argentine people.
Firstly- the Falklands Flag is NOT Ilegal- it was registered in 1861 and has been flying over the islands even since.It is InternationallyAccepted.
recently Mercosur and Chile has decided not to recognise it - that is their choice (legal or not I guess) - but that does NOT make the FI Flag Illegal!!
If it does than can ONE of you find me ONE piece of International Law that clearly says the FI Flag is Illegal?
So it WILL not affect The Islands - subject to what flag the Spanish vessels can fly instead - as all such vessels will just switch flags just before entering these countrie,s territorial limits.
Lets get those facts CLEAR eh!
NOw another fact for Marcos- check the British Constitution - Westminster HAS the Legal Mandate to decide the content of such a referendum - full stop final. Good advise Marcos is do not prattle on about things you know little about.
Same as all the claptrap from so many about UK stealing oil from the South Atlantic - IF - it is deemed commercial and exploitation follows! Can any of you find me one law anywhere that shows revenue will accrue to UK instead of to the FI Govt?
And before you all blather on about there is no such thing as FIG - sorry there IS. Chile and Ur and Brazil recognize it for a start(we trade with them and exchange documents etc) - and all Arg private ships and aircraft that come here do so as well!
Every Arg Passport holder that comes here does so as well - the cannot enter the islands unless they allow FIG Immigration to stamp their passport!
And - the British Governor has NO(that means ZERO) vote or control over Income received into FIG - 100% of that voting control is decide by our elected Assembly members = FACT.
How is that not changing the subject? You are transparent.
The FI remain British and there is no evidence of that changing. Too hard for you to accept. Man up Marcos :-)
Don't act like such a fool. Who on Earth denies that colonialism ever existed? What we don't accept is that it still exists. By definition colonialism exists when there are unequal relationships between the administering country and the “colony” itself. That sort of situation just doesn't exist any more.
How is that not changing the subject? You are transparent.
The FI remain British and there is no evidence of that changing. Too hard for you to accept. Man up Marcos :-)
is a DEJA VU or simply stupidy “Dr” ?
:)
59 Islander1 “Firstly- the Falklands Flag is NOT Ilegal”
Our English commentator@53 said that “FI flag is a sub flag”
How many flags does your colony have Islander?
See Marcos is changing the subject again by accusing me of insulting him. Can you spot an insult?
Cameron said a few hours ago “I passionately believe in the future of our United Kingdom. I passionately believe we are stronger together rather than breaking apart.”
He loves the thought of making his dictatorship official, however he is right about UK breaking apart.
Marcos - keep trying, keep changing the subject, keep being bitter. It is good entertainment. Right, there is a nice Malbec to sample!
Long Live Scotland -- Long Live Republic
Long Live Jamaica -- Long Live Republic
They will never back you with anything else, military or otherwise,
CFK knows this very well, that’s why she will try anything and everything to get others to do her dirty work, threats and indoctrination works seemingly well on her own people, but not on others, who know very well no one would support Argentina against anything other than talking,
She would be condemned world wide if she tried it,, sooner or later she will tire of her own mutterings
And retire, before her own defence people put a ring round her,
When ether the brainwashed Argies believe it or not, the Falklands will be your Achilles heel,
This tiny little peaceful unarmed island will yet see the demise of the pretend giant that gave up everything to get her, and failed, how will history tell the story of a giant of a country
Pulled down and humiliated by an island 50 times smaller than argentine,
A once great country that had everything in it favour, throwing it all away, because of one persons
Deluded obsession to stalk something she can never have [the Falklands]
p/s whatever happens in the UK has nothing to do with nosey argies, just out for a spin, thats why your countrys in such a mess,
[mind your own]
Long Live Wales -- Long Live Republic
Long Live N.Ireland -- Long Live Republic
Long Live the Falklands.
Long Live England -- Long Live Republic
Long live the game of Kabaddi!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vWMrNqAoBA
From the foregoing, it is clear that sovereignty over the Falkland Islands rightfully belongs to Britain under international law. All subsequent claims to sovereignty, whether by Spain (1770) or Argentina (1820) are null and void as sovereignty had already been proclaimed by another state (since 1690).
:-)
falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/01/12/kunkel-accuses-britain-of-piracy/
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2084995/Falkland-Islands-Argentina-starts-squid-war.html
WRong! uk never submitted any invitation to ICJ for malvinas.BTW,the made a unilateral decision towards the ICJ,for the MAlvinas dependencies,not Malvinas.After the court composition was changed(unfavourable for the brits),they pulled the submission to the ICJ.Learn history..Argentina invited the uk for an arbitration over malvinas 6 times,turned down y uk.....
uk ARE PIRATES of the worst kind and LIARS!
Antarctic Cases 1956 (UK v Argentina – South Georgia et al) – www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/26/2157.pdf?PHPSESSID=511094a6c0e1ba7bbbd2a83f9c3c9e36
Antarctic Cases 1956 (Pleadings, Oral Arguments etc) – www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/26/9065.pdf
It was, of course Argentina, that refused to go. The British did not 'pull out', the Court could not proceed because of the cowardice of Argentina.
And Argentina did not make any serious offer for the two countries to go to arbitration - 6 times. No diplomatic invitation. Nothing.
Now I challenge you to prove me wrong Marv - with evidence if you please. And when I say evidence, I mean something that can be checked. Diplomatic correspondence, court papers, a letter from your Government.
Not one author citing another author ad infinitum with no hope of finding the source material.
Arrrghhh these Iberian colonials are getting all hot under their unwashed collar as they are hoping and praying that they get their hands on me jewels. Arrrghhh they want to ban me ships but are not having much luck and try want me to talk but we have more important things to be getting on with like finding me wenches and peices of eight. Arrrghhh me thinks they ate yellow bellies arrrghhh.
@39. If South America dislikes colonies so much, why haven’t there been any discussions or statements regarding French Guiana? Why are the French allowed to administrate a colony in South America? Also, this is where your lack of knowledge regarding the Falklands fails you. We are not a colony and this is something I state constantly to ill-informed Argentines. We have our own autonomous Government and a democracy, both of which are not directly influenced by another government (only indirectly from South America). We are financially self-sufficient. Your objections of the Falklands being a colony are incorrect. Also, if Argentina were to gain control of the Falklands, the Falklands and its people will become a colony of Argentina, and this is a fact. 3,000 British people under the control of the Argentine Government is a colony. 3,000 people who cannot determine their own political, economic, social and cultural future is a colony, and that is what I, my family, my friends and my fellow Falkland Islanders would find under Argentine control. If you hate colonies so much you would praise our small autonomous democracy and condemn Argentina's attempts to gain its own colony.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rugby_Championship
50 argentina divers standing under the water, asking to see the quids passport, that is why the world laughs,,
the french colony is closer to south america than the falklands,
perhaps the argies are frightend of the french .
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And what about [ thomas kavandish]
1560--92.
did he not find the falklands also, perhaps landed,
ah well .
thats easy for you to say
Hola…
What harpsichord do you play?
Eons ago, I assisted an Italian luthier in the manufacture of a Ruckers doppia tastiera….
Fascinating sound, I recall………….
will emerge stronger than one could imagine.
First of all you need to get a unified LatAm: not done so good so far unless you count the nonsense about the FI Flag (there are no Malvinas).
Now Brasil is about to do a number on Argentina who stupidly have shot themselves in the foot again over the import tax 'bill'.
You are just so funny!
Even if you get a unified South America, why is time running out for Britain?
Are you going to declare war on us?
Why?
Better start learning Portuguese, pussycat.
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