MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Argentina says no change in Mercosur decision to bar Falklands’ flagged vessels
Argentina in two brief statements said on Tuesday that there has been no change in Mercosur members’ position to bar Falklands’ flagged vessels from the region’s ports and that the United Kingdom admits that such policy has become effective. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThe Malvinists feel happy because the UK will change the flag, and the vessels will still come and go from and to the Falklands. It will be fun to see the Union Jack in Uruguay, Brasil and Chile, duh!
Jan 11th, 2012 - 06:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Politicians ! Don't ya love 'em :-)
Jan 11th, 2012 - 07:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well guess what Argies, the Falklands flag is still in their lockers and as soon as they're away from your 'allies' ports it'll be flying again, if this is your best shot we've got nothing to worry about. What have you achieved?...sweet feck all, still I suppose you're used to that.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0the' illegitimate’ Malvinas flag ' doesn't exist....
Jan 11th, 2012 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0the only illegitimates are those RG bastards...
So it is all about oil forthe Argentines. I always thought so.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is it just me or does Timmerman look particularly like Pob in this photo?
You brits still dont get it......
Jan 11th, 2012 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0With this action the complete region is telling “ Falklands are illegal ” but the most important thing and speak about the nature of all of you is you guys (i mean complete UK) are obbeeying and acepting the situation and decide to LOW the illegal Flag when need to access to SA ports.....undertstand the situation ? Clearly you were humilliated and forced by Mercosur policy and you only obey.....thats how things will going . Wake up and low down your illegal flag
@5 Yep... thieving dagos.... its in the blood....
Jan 11th, 2012 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 06 so_far
Jan 11th, 2012 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0No, you don't get it.
You can't tell us to be humiliated. Either we feel it or we don't. I should point out that the 'whole UK' couldn't care less. The Falkland Islands is not an issue of national pride for the UK, and the UK has no interest whatsoever in getting SA to do what it wants.
We are just as proud to fly the Red Ensign as our own flag. That's the whole point.
We are very well aware that you can force us to compromise by making pointless gestures by your bullying tactics. This is nothing new. It reflects badly on you, not us.
The fact that we are happy to do it to keep our way of life and independence and to avoid becoming part of Argentina should be a source of shame to you all.
Take a long hard look at yourselves and ask why that might be.
No change then! just confirming what has already been confirmed!!
Jan 11th, 2012 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Politians dont you just love them!
Long Live the Falklands.
Timmidman has been shoved out to deny the denial that all the members are united about a piece of cloth, I think? Or, it could be the reverse!
Jan 11th, 2012 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Crazy, deluded, people. Just wish Timmidman would make his mind up.
Do they not realise the more they spout the more their lies show up?
Monty, do you think i care what a descendent of a pirate could feel ??? (like yourself recognise so happy and proud about you).
Jan 11th, 2012 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once again people making big deal about this.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gotta love the trolling tactics.
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UK can do nothing to change Mercosur policies regarding Malvinas ilegal invadors.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hua hua hua
What is it? I smell weakness in the UK.
@13
Jan 11th, 2012 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No you can smell the Bull**it coming from your post!!!
And the only illegal invaders would be the argentines that arrived in 1982.
Long Live the Falklands.
Excellent move Argentina once again! It is NOT ONLY Argentina who ratified the decision but all three other countries! The so called flag is NOT accepted as it it illegal! As to the “blockade”, Argentina is not seeking that but having her sovereignty rights duly recognised, and this ratification and move is more than significant! Poor Cameron, hemmay lie to his own Parliament but not to the rest of the world: there's not such a thing as a Malvinas flag as they are part of Argentina!
Jan 11th, 2012 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@14 Papanatas: You know that´s not true :)
Jan 11th, 2012 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vivan las Islas Malvinas!
A cease fire was declared on 14 June and the commander of the Argentine garrison in Stanley, Brigade General Mario Menéndez surrendered to Major General Jeremy Moore the same day. The Argentine flag came down on that day and it will be a very very long time before there is even the faintest hope of it EVER going up !
Jan 11th, 2012 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@17 Maybe not that long...
Jan 11th, 2012 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Clearly you were humilliated
Jan 11th, 2012 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, this is being humilliated
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhLzDC6bLPE&feature=related
Ilas Malvinarse......I hardly think banning 30 small trawlers (who just as easily change their flag in seconds) is going to bring the UK to the negotiating table....The fact of the matter remains, Argentina and Merscour have no ability to make the islands magically turn Argentine....you can shout and rant and rave on the international stage all you want....but can you actually do anything short of military intervention....Nope.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look at Spain 300 years and they still can't get Gibraltar, same for you guys, just like Nasser hussein in 1967, your all talk and rhetoric but 0 ability to achieve your desired outcome :)
But keep it up with each belligerent, knee jerk reaction and crude insults by your insane president the Falklands drift ever further away from Argentina....Argentina has tried everything except the one thing which might work....be nice good neighbours to the islanders :)
Now the islanders are set to become the richest people as a % of GDP, there is very little you can do except get angry and ban yourselves from the Islands....
@19 Using the british way (use of force) was humilliating on the first place.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now the war is being carried out by our diplomats.
UK giving Malvinas back via diplomacy will be humilliating and a indicator of its decadence.
The reality here is that the sprious flag is not illegal throughout South America unacceptable to the people.The Union Jack for all its horrific connotations us the flag of a sovereign state.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For a lot of years now the Argentine government as went out of it's way to try and inconvenience the people of The Falkland Islands, and all to no avail, they have managed to make life hard for Uruguay and Chile but not the Islands, in fact all the little tricks the Argies have tried have only help to make the Islands more and more self sufficient, and to go from strength to strength, and I would like to thank the Argentine government for all the help they have given us over the years, but I now feel that it's time for them to start to help there own people, and stop ripping them off left right and centre, Now if there is any Argie that thinks you have made it hard for the Islands in any way please enlighten us, for in the Falklands we see no evidence of any hardship that as come from any thing you have done.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@21
Jan 11th, 2012 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is NOTHING to give back except for some old argentine land mines!! as for Diplomacy argentina is very child like in expecting the UK to simply give them the Falklands just because they say its there's!!
Come back in a Hundred years when you have grown up!
Long Live the Falklands.
@24 UK won´t give Malvinas back because of what Argentina is saying, but because it´s a fact, and because the world believes so.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@25
Jan 11th, 2012 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I totally agree with you!!
Great that you have seen the light, argentine politians have failed there population so many times and until they change and concentrate on there own economy they will keep making stupid misconceptions about the Falklands!!
Long Live the Falklands.
Argentina does not have facts - only fiction !
Jan 11th, 2012 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@26 So you agree with me that the UK will give Malvinas back to Argentina because it recognizes Argentinas rights, as well as the rest of the world?
Jan 11th, 2012 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In that case take a plane and leave the islands while you still can... because your democratic friends there won´t like to have an islander backing Argentina around...
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Jan 11th, 2012 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@28
Jan 11th, 2012 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Re-read your post !!
UK won't give back the Falklands, End of story!!!
Long Live the Falklands.
@30 Keep readin Papanatas!
Jan 11th, 2012 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0End of Story my ass...
Ever more childish.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentines scream and shout and demand. It might work for your President in Argentina but it does not work in the the world of adults. You just look like spoilt brats to the rest of the world.
It does not matter what you say the islands will never be yours unless you manage to talk the Falkland Islander into becoming Argentines.
Nothing has changed and nothing will change.
The UK will NEVER hand the Falklands to argentina!! unless the Falkland Islanders decide that they want to be argentinian!!!
Jan 11th, 2012 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live the Falklands.
Foreign Affairs minister Hector Timerman and Casatero....Ja Ja Ja
Jan 11th, 2012 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@31. You keep saying that the Falklands will become Argentine but you never say how. Do you actually believe Argentine diplomacy will colonise the Falklands? Britain have stated repeatedly that Britain will not negotiate until the people of the islands (that are under discussion) will agree to negotiations. Do you think Britain will just suddenly change its mind? No it wont.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You also keep mentioning the world supports Argentina's claim. But who actually does? Brazil, Chile & Uruguay say they do, and they go to small lengths to support Argentina, but they all say they will not take part in Argentina's blockade of the Falklands.
The world is represented by the UN, and the UN just keeps approving a resolution that was made in the 1960s and this resolution only calls for the negotiations. It does not pescribe an outcome. So how is this support? If anything, according to the UN Resolutions (that states any outcome must be in the interests of the Falklands population) and the UN Charter (Self-Determination to all peoples), the UN and therefore the world supports the Falkland Islanders right to self-determination.
29 rmalone
Jan 11th, 2012 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Insulting Falkland Islanders in a foreign language? Is that your strategy?
It doesn't seem to be working.
Monty, your very presence in Malvinas is an insult to 40 millon of Argentinenans plus 500 millons Latin-Americans since 1833
Jan 11th, 2012 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so...179 years of insult South America.....please somebody could call guiness ?? thats a record !!!
@M_of_IM
Jan 11th, 2012 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My friend, sonner or later the UK will have to face the truth.
The world includes a few other countries apart from Brazil, Chile and Uruguay. The international comunity supports Argentinas demand on negotiations. And about the blockadge... Argentina is not expecting an economic blockadge. It´s only about not accepting the nonrecognized ilegal flag.
Of course the UN does not describe an outcome... it is the UK and Argentina that should agree on what the outcome would be. How is this support? Clearly by recognizing the existence of a sovereignty dispute (denied by the UK) in which Argentina has something to say and talk about with the UK. So the world is recognizing there´s something to negotiate and NOT saying: “the islands are British, full stop”.
Stop lieing to yourself... if the UN did support the right of self determination of the islanders, it wouldn´t be calling both Parties to resume negotiations, don´t you think? If your statement was true, then UN would say: “Hey! There´s nothing to talk about... if it´s the islanders how have the last word, don´t you see it Argentina?” Well, no, that´s not the case.
UN does not recognize the self determination of islanders. Malvinas is a particular colonial situation.
Don´t lie. Thank you.
@35 M_of_FI: I find your comment interesting, because it shows a way of thinking that at first sight seems very logical and rational, I think it can be representative of many other people's way of thinking.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However, politics is not so rational sometimes, and unexpected things happen...
Let's remind ourselves that it is not the whole UK approving the idea of maintaining a colony in the Argentinian Seaside. Nowadays the UK is governed by a group of right-wingers and conservative who represent more the willing of corporations and financial speculators. And it is THEIRS voices the ones that the corporate media is broadcasting nowadays...
So part of the british public opinion may be part of the anti-colonialism side in this conflict. Stop investing public money on a colony that only benefits avaricious corporations seems to be a good idea.
And future changes situations in unexpected ways sometimes... A couple of years ago there were rumors about abolition of monarchy at the UK, nowadays after all the fairy tale circus we've seen on 2011 things have changed...
And apart from this... The Argentinian claim for sovereignty is not based only on political opportunism, it is the expression of societies who express honestly their dislike for colonialism, and imperial bullying, and the grabbing of resources. This is a REALITY, and these topics are always avoided by those who support the british presence in SouthAmerica.
So even if opportunities seem to be not many for Argentina, it is really noble to express ideas with honesty, it represents human strength.
After all, in the last months Argentina have only expressed a few words and proceeding diplomatically and peacefully and the UK authorities got very anxious only about this... So why are they making a fuss if their facts and bases and presence in this part of the world is so legal and fair¿?
And the very presence of 40 million argentines is insult to the human race. So your point is what exactly so_far?
Jan 11th, 2012 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its also 179+ years of british sovereignty in the falklands whish is a record as no other country, not spain, not france and sure as hell not argentina since they never held the islands, has beaten the UKs record for the longest period of sovereignty over the islands. Ohh and its 179+years of argentine cry babies spitting their dummies out, not granted thats probably the record for crying the longest but its sure not one anyone else would be proud to hold LOL.
@40: I wouldn't be so proud about maintaining a colony, about grabbing natural resources for a queen, and about being deaf in front of all the voices we are hearing that are against colonialism and who express that the Argentinian claim is a fair one.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just a little group of corporative thieves selling cheap nationalism to british people in order to get a vote.
Disgusting... What a coward attitude to avoid diplomatic calls of the International Community.
“Argentina says no change in Mercosur decision to bar Falklands’ flagged vessels”
Jan 11th, 2012 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The over-confident English Government was soundly defeated again.
@41 I don't know whether you've noticed but there are 193 members of the UN. Now as I recall there are 24 countries plus Argentina that whitter about this. Less than 13%.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't see loads of countries lining up to tell the UK what they think.
I think you turkeys are a little short on the support you “think” you have.
Have fun with your increasingly authoritarian government Argentina. Meanwhile, the Falkland Islands continue to decide their own future.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos - Exocet may sink some ships but Argentine words are worthless.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Saying no to Argentina is just so easy :-)
#14,papamosca:“And the only illegal invaders would be the argentines that arrived in 1982.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live the Falklands.”
AHAHAHAHHAHAHHAAH!!
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS!!
#45,beef:”Marcos - Exocet may sink some ships but Argentine words are worthless.
Saying no to Argentina is just so easy :-)
AHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHA!
Let see beef:This is a special year for Argentina, as the country celebrates the revolution that led to its independence 200 years ago. And we think it is a good time to mark and celebrate our long standing relation with Argentina which is as old as Argentina itself.
Looking back we can be proud to say that the United Kingdom was the first European country to recognize Argentina’s independence. In the Ambassador’s Residence, we still keep Woodbine Parrish’s trunk. Parrish served as a British diplomat in Buenos Aires between 1825 and 1832. He signed the Treaty of Friendship, Commerce and Navigation with Argentina in February 1825. It was the first treaty signed by the future Argentina Republic with a European country.
http://ukinargentina.fco.gov.uk/en/about-us/our-embassy/our-ambassador/hma-messages/hma-msg-april
Keeping the words beef prick???
Not from uk....miserable country!
@39 vermin
Jan 11th, 2012 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“So part of the british public opinion may be part of the anti-colonialism side in this conflict. ”
You will find all opinions on every subject in the UK. That's becasue we have not been indocirinated from an early age to believe only one viewpoint. In spite of that, you will probably find a greater percentage of Argentinians who either don't give a sh*t or actually have the opposite view to you. In fact, one of my Argentinian friends in Spain recently asked me “Have the Falkland Islands ever actually belonged to Argentina?” Your propaganda methods must be slipping.
It's actually irrelevant whether you dislike or like colonialism (it's an outdated concept that doesn't exist anymore except as a glint in the eye of the Argentinian government). It's only relevant to the so-called “colonial peoples” and if they like it and think that they have an equal partneship with the administering country, then that is the end of it. Full stop. End of story.
“And future changes situations in unexpected ways sometimes...”
So, that about sums up Argentina's strategy. “We know we haven't got a hope in hell, but who knows, things might change.” Keep on dreaming, then wake up and see what things are like in the real world..
“... it is really noble to express ideas with honesty, it represents human strength.”
That is possibly the funniest things I have heard on this forum. There is nothing noble about a the government of a large nation persecuting a small island community. There is nothing noble about a government indocrinating its own population and using them as pawns to inflate their politicians' egos, perpetuate their own political dynasties and line their pockets. That is about as weak and ignoble as you can get.
This is the flag of the Falklands,
Jan 11th, 2012 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Flag_of_the_Falkland_Islands.svg
Can you show me the flag of Las Malvinas? No, because there is no such thing as the Malvinas flag, but just lies.
What's the big deal with a change of flag that the Malvinists feel so excited about? The Falklanders are British citizens, they will be more than happy using the Union Jack if that's the case and the vessels will use another country's flag, because it's just something symbolic, nothing that some papers can't fix, business they call it, as usual. Whatever the flag is, vessels will be coming and going from and to the islands. This Argentine nationalism smells like poop.
@ 41 “nationalism to british people in order to get a vote” what a joke, do you really believe that people in the UK give sh*t about the falklands? They live their lives, the UK is not Argentina ninny. As if people in the UK feel nationalists about the falklands, cheap or not hahaha why are you barking at the moon now? wasn't this another VICTORY of CFK's goverment? weren't you feeling great? Apart from your voices, where are all those voices you're talking about? I can't hear them. Business, as usual :)
45 Beef Who is talking about war? You and your warmonger Government, who by the way is in the middle of one every few months(usually soon after a large sale of weapons to a dictator)
Jan 11th, 2012 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is a peaceful democracy for thirty years now commited to find a peaceful solution to the Malvinas dispute.
And again, the over-confident English Government was soundly defeated again.
“peaceful democracy” heehee reading the comments of the angry malvinists, one can see that yes, this is a great victory of CFK's government :)
Jan 11th, 2012 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@50: Angry?? I am not angry at all. I just write what I think.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And this is not about CFK victories, the Malvinas issue is no headline at newspaper in Argentina.
And about those who talk about propaganda and authoritarian government: The government we have is taking decisions that corporations used to take for us. Some groups are not happy with the willing of the majorities. Nothing new, corporations do not fancy democracies. But well. Where you see Authoritarism I see authority, and a government who has been chosen by people and has shown real results in economy, social care, growth, compromise with ideals, etc.
So many people who nobody voted for choose over our lives (argentinians and british included), why always pointing at leaders who were elected??
Do you think that propaganda is only managed at official governments? FOX News is Propaganda too, Movies at the cinema, even music. Wake Up!
Colonialism never existed according to those supporting the UK Government's position, right?
I have no time to read all the responses now, but I am trying to be sincere, you can be sure about that. I say what I think, I have a honest manner and I try to keep it polite, hoping the rest can keep that level too.
Argentina is a peaceful democracy for thirty years now
Jan 11th, 2012 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And you dont even thank us Brits
Marcos - the ships come and go, take a look in Uruguay for FI registered vessels. This Mercosur declaration is pretty toothless and is not affecting the FI economy in any way. FI flag is a sub flag of the Red Ensign so a FI vessel that chooses to fly the Red Ensign is still an FI registered ship and flying the flag is still confirmation that the FI are British soverign territory. Argentina has attempted to get neigbours to ban ships sailing to the FI regardless of flag and has failed to achieve this. Such an action has been dismissed by your supporters and as such this “ban” is symbolic as it is having no impact on the FI economy.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see symbols must matter to you. To me they are a waste of time and do not deliver a god rate of return. If this is the best victory you can come up with then you must have exceedingly low standards of achievement.
There will be no war and there will be no legal challenge. Your gvt do not have the guts to attempt either.
You claim to be a peaceful democracy? How is press freedom in your officially “flawed democracy”?
The peaceful solution has already been established and is being lived out by the islanders. There is nothing you or your nation can do about it. I know this is hard for you to accept but coming to terms with it will be your first step in your therapy.
Malviner - you see the politeness of us Brits is world renowned and congratulations on your bi-centenary. I see you have seen that our political an lass and royalty do not resort to words like “pirates forever”, and I have sympathy that you have to put up with a political class that lack such statesmanship. Perhaps after assisting you in your return to democracy you will learn about political protocol and how to actually get things done and not just talk about them.
@ 51 you are polite? heehee if for every lie you say people gave you a penny you'll be a millionaire :) Honest manner? heehee
Jan 11th, 2012 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Find a British who says that Colonialism never existed, find just one British who denies that and I will believe your propaganda :) Colonialism in in British history books. They don't deny it.
Beef, Is like Salmond says a few hours again “ Cameron has no mandate to set rules” You can not steal their oil anymore either.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Get used to it.
Ahh, good old Marcos trying to change the subject when he can not formulate an adequate reply. BTW - Salmond is wrong, the PM does have a mandate as the elected PM of the UK to determine the timing of a referendum as these things can not be open ended (an open ended question is not democratic and we care about our democracy).
Jan 11th, 2012 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do think the SNP has avoided a referendum :-)
MA
Jan 11th, 2012 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we have got used to it that's why we don't give a toss about anything you say or do,
xbarilox
my hope for you is that one day you and the good Argentine people will have a “peaceful democracy” in your country, as we do in our country, and when that day comes as it will, I for one will be happy for the Argentine people.
Not trying to change the subject Beef, I'm just telling you to keep your umbrella handy before the perfect storm arrives in England.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine Writers- Lets get some FACTs - Legal Ones - established.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly- the Falklands Flag is NOT Ilegal- it was registered in 1861 and has been flying over the islands even since.It is InternationallyAccepted.
recently Mercosur and Chile has decided not to recognise it - that is their choice (legal or not I guess) - but that does NOT make the FI Flag Illegal!!
If it does than can ONE of you find me ONE piece of International Law that clearly says the FI Flag is Illegal?
So it WILL not affect The Islands - subject to what flag the Spanish vessels can fly instead - as all such vessels will just switch flags just before entering these countrie,s territorial limits.
Lets get those facts CLEAR eh!
NOw another fact for Marcos- check the British Constitution - Westminster HAS the Legal Mandate to decide the content of such a referendum - full stop final. Good advise Marcos is do not prattle on about things you know little about.
Same as all the claptrap from so many about UK stealing oil from the South Atlantic - IF - it is deemed commercial and exploitation follows! Can any of you find me one law anywhere that shows revenue will accrue to UK instead of to the FI Govt?
And before you all blather on about there is no such thing as FIG - sorry there IS. Chile and Ur and Brazil recognize it for a start(we trade with them and exchange documents etc) - and all Arg private ships and aircraft that come here do so as well!
Every Arg Passport holder that comes here does so as well - the cannot enter the islands unless they allow FIG Immigration to stamp their passport!
And - the British Governor has NO(that means ZERO) vote or control over Income received into FIG - 100% of that voting control is decide by our elected Assembly members = FACT.
No you weren't Marcos. You are too dim to make a coherent reply to my post so rather than discussing the FI and the toothless Mercosur policy you decided to talk about Scotland.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How is that not changing the subject? You are transparent.
The FI remain British and there is no evidence of that changing. Too hard for you to accept. Man up Marcos :-)
@51 Vermin: “Colonialism never existed according to those supporting the UK Government's position, right?”
Jan 11th, 2012 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't act like such a fool. Who on Earth denies that colonialism ever existed? What we don't accept is that it still exists. By definition colonialism exists when there are unequal relationships between the administering country and the “colony” itself. That sort of situation just doesn't exist any more.
No you weren't Marcos. You are too dim to make a coherent reply to my post so rather than discussing the FI and the toothless Mercosur policy you decided to talk about Scotland.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How is that not changing the subject? You are transparent.
The FI remain British and there is no evidence of that changing. Too hard for you to accept. Man up Marcos :-)
#60 and #62
Jan 11th, 2012 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0is a DEJA VU or simply stupidy “Dr” ?
:)
Well. looks like Mr Beef is desperate and has to results to insults again and to repeat his post like a parrot.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 059 Islander1 “Firstly- the Falklands Flag is NOT Ilegal”
Our English commentator@53 said that “FI flag is a sub flag”
How many flags does your colony have Islander?
Actually neither, combination of a lost connection when I went under that tunnel, Mercopress website and iPhone OS.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0See Marcos is changing the subject again by accusing me of insulting him. Can you spot an insult?
Good idea Mr Beef, hide under a tunnel :-))
Jan 11th, 2012 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:)
Jan 11th, 2012 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With all the wine and beer I can drink the I would be happy if this train gets stuck in the tunnel.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Train? I told you, Jaguar is a piece of junk.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cameron said a few hours ago “I passionately believe in the future of our United Kingdom. I passionately believe we are stronger together rather than breaking apart.”
He loves the thought of making his dictatorship official, however he is right about UK breaking apart.
Prefer taking the Train to London. Why drive when your employer pays for Virgin Pendolino First Class. Put feet up and enjoy the beverages :-)
Jan 11th, 2012 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos - keep trying, keep changing the subject, keep being bitter. It is good entertainment. Right, there is a nice Malbec to sample!
Right, there is a nice Malbec to wish, right here there is a nice Malbec with barbecue included, got to go...
Jan 11th, 2012 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Enjoy! Would get into a bit of bother firing up the barbecue on this train. Smoking is banned indoors in the UK. Guess I will just drink the wine :-o
Jan 11th, 2012 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live Tedd Nolte
Jan 11th, 2012 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live Scotland -- Long Live Republic
Long live being entertained :-)
Jan 11th, 2012 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live Portia Simpson Miller
Jan 11th, 2012 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live Jamaica -- Long Live Republic
South America will only back you with deleted words and mistrust,
Jan 11th, 2012 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They will never back you with anything else, military or otherwise,
CFK knows this very well, that’s why she will try anything and everything to get others to do her dirty work, threats and indoctrination works seemingly well on her own people, but not on others, who know very well no one would support Argentina against anything other than talking,
She would be condemned world wide if she tried it,, sooner or later she will tire of her own mutterings
And retire, before her own defence people put a ring round her,
When ether the brainwashed Argies believe it or not, the Falklands will be your Achilles heel,
This tiny little peaceful unarmed island will yet see the demise of the pretend giant that gave up everything to get her, and failed, how will history tell the story of a giant of a country
Pulled down and humiliated by an island 50 times smaller than argentine,
A once great country that had everything in it favour, throwing it all away, because of one persons
Deluded obsession to stalk something she can never have [the Falklands]
p/s whatever happens in the UK has nothing to do with nosey argies, just out for a spin, thats why your countrys in such a mess,
[mind your own]
Long Live Betsy Francis
Jan 11th, 2012 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live Wales -- Long Live Republic
Go away, rats!
Jan 11th, 2012 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live Stanley Harding
Jan 11th, 2012 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live N.Ireland -- Long Live Republic
Great to see that the Falklands have so many supporters who are not prepared to put up with the colonial argentine power who wishes to take over these peaceful Islands and then move onto Uruaguay and Chile!!!
Jan 11th, 2012 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live the Falklands.
80, SO FUNNY, KAKAKAKAKAKAKAKA
Jan 11th, 2012 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live Terry Welton
Jan 11th, 2012 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live England -- Long Live Republic
Enjoy People, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaCCKrpCQDM
Jan 11th, 2012 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long live the Banana Republic of Argentina.
Jan 11th, 2012 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 084, Of course, in your ass!
Jan 11th, 2012 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long live Terry Wogan, long live Tom Jones, Queen Victoria is dead
Jan 11th, 2012 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long live the game of Kabaddi!
Long Live the Marijuana Island! u need for the facist and separatist empire
Jan 11th, 2012 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 85 what a loser, you're angry :P
Jan 12th, 2012 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 088, yes, i am so happy WITH THE BANANA. Pa mis hermanos uruguayos. VIVA EL NEGRO RADA
Jan 12th, 2012 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vWMrNqAoBA
The first claim to sovereignty over the Falkland Islands, then uninhabited, was made in 1690 by England. The first permanent settlement was established by France in 1764. The British made a settlement of their own the following year. In 1767 Spain bought out the French settlement and three years later the Spanish ordered the British to evancuate their settlement, which implied Spanish possession of the territory, but the British officer in charge reminded his Spanish opposite number that Britain had a prior title to the Islands. For reasons connected with economic difficulties arrising from the US war of independence, the British did actually abandon their settlement in 1774 but not before reasserting sovereignty over the Islands. In 1806 the Spanish governor also left and his settlement was closed in 1811, again not without asserting Spanish sovereignty. On becoming independent of Spain in 1816, Argentina claimed possession of the Islands in 1820 and established a settlement in 1828. This move, together with the emergence of US interest in the Islands, motivated the British to return in 1833, reiterate their original claim to possession and send the Argentinian settlement back to Argentina. After its inauguration in 1945, the United Nations directed Britain and Argentina to discuss the Islands. Britain offered to submit the case to the International Court of Justice in the Hague in 1947 and again in 1955 but Argentina rejected this and stated that it would not abide by the decision of the Court. The two countries returned to negotiations under UN auspices and these pro0ceeded in protracted fashion until the Argentinian resort to war in 1982.
Jan 12th, 2012 - 01:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0From the foregoing, it is clear that sovereignty over the Falkland Islands rightfully belongs to Britain under international law. All subsequent claims to sovereignty, whether by Spain (1770) or Argentina (1820) are null and void as sovereignty had already been proclaimed by another state (since 1690).
Pirates !!
Jan 12th, 2012 - 02:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/01/12/kunkel-accuses-britain-of-piracy/
Argentina starts 'squid war' against the pirates!! :-)
Jan 12th, 2012 - 03:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2084995/Falkland-Islands-Argentina-starts-squid-war.html
United Nations directed Britain and Argentina to discuss the Islands. Britain offered to submit the case to the International Court of Justice in the Hague in 1947 and again in 1955 but Argentina rejected this and stated that it would not abide by the decision of the Court. The two countries
Jan 12th, 2012 - 05:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0WRong! uk never submitted any invitation to ICJ for malvinas.BTW,the made a unilateral decision towards the ICJ,for the MAlvinas dependencies,not Malvinas.After the court composition was changed(unfavourable for the brits),they pulled the submission to the ICJ.Learn history..Argentina invited the uk for an arbitration over malvinas 6 times,turned down y uk.....
uk ARE PIRATES of the worst kind and LIARS!
You need to read more Marv, try here, then maybe you'll understand better !
Jan 12th, 2012 - 06:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Antarctic Cases 1956 (UK v Argentina – South Georgia et al) – http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/26/2157.pdf?PHPSESSID=511094a6c0e1ba7bbbd2a83f9c3c9e36
Antarctic Cases 1956 (Pleadings, Oral Arguments etc) – http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/26/2157.pdf?PHPSESSID=511094a6c0e1ba7bbbd2a83f9c3c9e36
It was, of course Argentina, that refused to go. The British did not 'pull out', the Court could not proceed because of the cowardice of Argentina.
And Argentina did not make any serious offer for the two countries to go to arbitration - 6 times. No diplomatic invitation. Nothing.
Now I challenge you to prove me wrong Marv - with evidence if you please. And when I say evidence, I mean something that can be checked. Diplomatic correspondence, court papers, a letter from your Government.
Not one author citing another author ad infinitum with no hope of finding the source material.
@93, I didn'y say that Britain invited the ICJ to do anything. I said that Britain made an offer to Argentina that the case be jointly submitted to that body for arbitration. Argentina refused. I wrote that it refused twice but on consulting my sources, I see that it turned the suggestion down three times. The language of “pirates” and “liars” doesn't help. This dispute is going to be solved only by cool-headedness. Otherwise, eventually, we end up with a repeat of 1982.
Jan 12th, 2012 - 06:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Arrgg, we be the pirates arrrghhh. We be drilling for the black gold under our ocean waves. The guardian has ye just left and the good ship Eriksson is about to call in to drill for me riches below.
Jan 12th, 2012 - 07:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Arrrghhh these Iberian colonials are getting all hot under their unwashed collar as they are hoping and praying that they get their hands on me jewels. Arrrghhh they want to ban me ships but are not having much luck and try want me to talk but we have more important things to be getting on with like finding me wenches and peices of eight. Arrrghhh me thinks they ate yellow bellies arrrghhh.
That they be, me ould shipmate. we must be ahanging a few o' the yellow bilge rats from the yardarm. moit teach t'others to hand over their gold plate right quick 'n smaaart.
Jan 12th, 2012 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Arrrghhh t'ose Iberian colonials be easily held in contempt. De don't have ye wooden leg to stand on and as toothless as me old shipmate toothless Trevor the terrible. We keep our sovereigns, pieces of eighty two and our black gloop. Yo to ho a pirates life for me, arrrghhh.
Jan 12th, 2012 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0@38...the very resolution you keep mentioning explicitly states that any outcome of negotiations will be in the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands. Stop ignoring this. Being subjugated by Argentina is not in the interests of the people of the Falklands. The UN clearly states all people have the right to self-determination and until the UN states explicitly that the people of the Falklands don’t have this right, we can use it ourselves. Stop lying to yourself.
Jan 12th, 2012 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0@39. If South America dislikes colonies so much, why haven’t there been any discussions or statements regarding French Guiana? Why are the French allowed to administrate a colony in South America? Also, this is where your lack of knowledge regarding the Falklands fails you. We are not a colony and this is something I state constantly to ill-informed Argentines. We have our own autonomous Government and a democracy, both of which are not directly influenced by another government (only indirectly from South America). We are financially self-sufficient. Your objections of the Falklands being a colony are incorrect. Also, if Argentina were to gain control of the Falklands, the Falklands and its people will become a colony of Argentina, and this is a fact. 3,000 British people under the control of the Argentine Government is a colony. 3,000 people who cannot determine their own political, economic, social and cultural future is a colony, and that is what I, my family, my friends and my fellow Falkland Islanders would find under Argentine control. If you hate colonies so much you would praise our small autonomous democracy and condemn Argentina's attempts to gain its own colony.
is very disconcerting, poor people must have a very strong personality conflict. they don´t want to live in Argentina but live in Argentina. they pretend to be British, or to be like the British, but they aren´t. they are nothing, so sad.
Jan 12th, 2012 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think it is even worse not to be recognized by anybody....
Jan 12th, 2012 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yes, that happend to you, to
Jan 12th, 2012 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who lives in Argentina ?? The Falklanders do not !! Get used to it!!
Jan 12th, 2012 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I assume you are referring to the Falkland Islanders Cero? If you are you a mistaken, as when I drove to work today I saw the British flag flying above Gilbert House and the Secretariat. So, glady, I am not in Argentina!
Jan 12th, 2012 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0dows anyone know the Maria Elena Walsh´s song, The reversed Kingdom? ... “they told me that in reversed Kingdom, swim the the bird and flies the fish ...” let's update it a little, adding a verse about English flags in South America. it will be a hit! Argentina, generous country! I love iuuuuu
Jan 12th, 2012 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gilbert, yes, the rugby ball! I see u in the Rugby Championship
Jan 12th, 2012 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rugby_Championship
can you imaging the quid imigration service,
Jan 12th, 2012 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 050 argentina divers standing under the water, asking to see the quids passport, that is why the world laughs,,
the french colony is closer to south america than the falklands,
perhaps the argies are frightend of the french .
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And what about [ thomas kavandish]
1560--92.
did he not find the falklands also, perhaps landed,
ah well .
Uffff cuanta discusión. Como argentino prefiero tomar en cuenta lo que me agrada de los británicos, su antigua música para virginal principalmente. Tocar en clave la maravillosa The Fall of the Leafe de Martin Peerson, por ejemplo :-)
Jan 13th, 2012 - 04:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0exactly old chap oncore
Jan 13th, 2012 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 108
Jan 15th, 2012 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0thats easy for you to say
(108) Clavecinista
Jan 15th, 2012 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hola…
What harpsichord do you play?
Eons ago, I assisted an Italian luthier in the manufacture of a Ruckers doppia tastiera….
Fascinating sound, I recall………….
Time is running out for Brittain , a unified Latin America
Jan 16th, 2012 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0will emerge stronger than one could imagine.
112 Tigre2000
Jan 16th, 2012 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First of all you need to get a unified LatAm: not done so good so far unless you count the nonsense about the FI Flag (there are no Malvinas).
Now Brasil is about to do a number on Argentina who stupidly have shot themselves in the foot again over the import tax 'bill'.
You are just so funny!
@Tigre2000,
Jan 17th, 2012 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Even if you get a unified South America, why is time running out for Britain?
Are you going to declare war on us?
Why?
Better start learning Portuguese, pussycat.
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