PM Cameron meets Obama in March ahead of the Falklands conflict anniversary
British Prime Minister David Cameron and US President Barack Obama will meet in Washington next month, three weeks before the 30 anniversary of the beginning of the Falklands conflict.
PM Cameron will make an official visit to discuss Afghanistan, Iran and the Middle East as well as economic growth, the White House said.
During the official visit - scheduled for March 13-14 - the two leaders will also talk about the NATO and G8 summits that Obama will host in Chicago in May, the White House said.
Although the agenda does not include the Falklands/Malvinas issue, it may be debated due to Argentina’s international pressure that led to the request of the US to resume the dialogue over the Islands’ sovereignty.
Cameron's visit includes a state dinner and will “highlight the fundamental importance of the U.S.-U.K. special relationship and the depth of the friendship between the American people and the people of the United Kingdom, as well as the strong personal bond that has developed between the two leaders and their families,” according to a written White House statement.
Queen Elizabeth II hosted a state visit for Obama in Britain last May.
The US position on the Falklands/Malvinas dispute has not been of total UK satisfaction and is was extensively underlined by the British press. Only a few weeks ago a State Department described the dispute as a ‘bilateral issue’ to be worked out directly between Argentina and the UK.
“This is a bilateral issue that needs to be worked out directly between the governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom. We encourage both parties to resolve their differences through dialogue in normal diplomatic channels”, said the official State Department position adding that “we recognize de facto United Kingdom administration of the Islands but take no position regarding sovereignty”.
The statement was hailed as a diplomatic plus for Argentina in the current diplomatic dispute. However in 1982 support from the Ronald Reagan administration was decisive in ensuring the recapture of the Falklands by the British Task Force sent by then PM Margaret Thatcher.
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Neither is looking the other in the eyes and Obarmy is loath to touch Cameron.
The sooner Obarmy gets chucked out of office the better.
Now......; if you read MercoPress's articles about South /North interactions, you will be able to spot this very same hopeless recurrent manipulative tendentiousness on most of them……..
a touch of spin perhaps, but then your side is never deficient in this endeavour, either pre or post the revelation!
Your “justification” is just as pathetic as a motorist being fined for speeding.
Desperately pointing finger at others speeding by and whining to the Law Officer:
Why meee, (whine)
What about hiiim (whine) ?
Or hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiim (whine) ??
Or hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiim (whine) ???
a lecture from a argie on whining
How dare Cameron have a meeting with Obama 30 years after Argentina's military adventure, naked aggression, war crime.
Nice nuclear submarine on its way now, to join that nice destroyer.
British PM meets Obama in March.................
I say :
This visit's reason could be this......
http:www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-78008.html
The problem is RGs want to appear macho but in reality they are cowards and will back down at the first sign of strength from the other side. UK should send the destroyer to 12.1 miles off their coastline and run it up and down the coast until they back down.
Obama - will you committed forces to a war with iran?
Cameron - No
Obama - Why not?
Cameron - We committed our forces to Iraq and afthganistan and you guys stabbed us in the back by not supporting our sovereignty of the falklands or respecting the islanders rights of self determination as enshrined in the UN Charter.
Obama - Okay if we apologise and change our stance to supporting your sovereignty and the islanders rights to self determination under the UN Charter, then will you support us in a war with iran.
Cameron - Yes but only after you have made such support for our sovreignty and the islanders rights public and an official state policy.
Oh the wonders of bargining chips lol ;-)))
Yep, that sounds pretty plausible. No doubt the rabble from the other side will claim to see it differently.
I imagine a similar dialogue to what you described but perhaps subtly different:
Obama - will you committed forces to a war with iran?
Cameron - No
Obama - Why not?
Cameron - We committed our forces to Iraq and afthganistan and you guys stabbed us in the back by not supporting our sovereignty of the falklands or respecting the islanders rights of self determination as enshrined in the UN Charter.
Obama - Ah shit! You don't don't need our help to take care of a pile of shit like those motherfuckers do you? Okay if we apologise and change our stance to supporting your sovereignty and the islanders rights to self determination under the UN Charter, then will you support us in a war with iran.
Cameron - Yes but only after you have made such support for our sovreignty and the islanders rights public and an official state policy. Oh and if those morons do force our military hand could you give us similar support to what you did (while you were publicly denying it) in 1982? All that bunkering you provided us off Ascension Island was really great last time. Thanks.
Obama - No worries Davo. Now we better get down to the serious business.
“” Your “justification” is just as pathetic as a motorist being fined for speeding. Desperately pointing finger at others speeding by and whining to the Law Officer: Why meee, (whine) What about hiiim (whine) ? Or hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiim (whine) ?? Or hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiim (whine) ??? “”
You mean like Mr. Chris Huhne - the first Cabinet Minister of a British government that has been charged by the police of a criminal offence - in that he ALLEGEDLY attempted to pursuade his wife to cover his ass when he got busted for speeding??
We're not treating you at all let alone treating you differently. You racist! Crawl back under your stone and mind your own business and we'll continue to not treat you. Keep going the way you intimate you are and you will regret it. Then you can try claiming the moral high ground after blood has been spilt but nobody will give a rat's arse about you. It's almost like you are egging the UK into military action so you can then scream blue murder. The bit you need to realise is that many lives will be lost and many more ruined forever.
The dispute is all over some small wind swept islands that Argentines want so badly, even though virtually no Argentine nationals currently live here. You are free to enter and apply to settle here now but none of you ever do. I can think of less than 10 (actually probably less than 5) Argentines living here and most of them are married to Falkland Islanders. If every Argentine wants to live there so badly why don't any of you apply to? The Patagonian Chileans live and work in the islands in their hundreds. All earning incomes they could only dream of in Patagonia. Why don't the Argentines try it?
Now the economics groups that now are looking for oil in the islands are the same that benefits with bush wars, the same that explote gold mines in south america and the same that get benefits when a country is in default and the banks are saved instead of the people that every day work.
Perhaps the best thing we can do to generate a real good discussion is to forget the fellings. Maybe we discovered that the conflicts are iniciated by ecomics groups that dont belong to any conuntry. They belong to their own interests.
Why do we treat Latin Americans differently? It's because you are t*rds. The missing letter is a “u”. How I wish I could k*ll two argies every hour of every day. Slowly. Suspended face down so that they can watch their genitals floating in their blood.
Most wars/fights start over verbal aggression.... or false pretenses like the Iraq war, right?
Good spotted.............. :-)
One slight difference though.......
Mr. Christopher Murray Paul-Huhne whined:
Why meee (whine) !
It was heeer (whine) !
It was heeeeeeeeeeer (whine) !
It was heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer (whine) !
LOL
Long Live Scotland -- Long Live Republic
You say :
Are you trying to say that UK engineered.....................
I say :
No........!.........
==================
You say :
...Argentina has been organizing blockades.............
I say :
I don't know and care what you are.......
but I am not stupid ..............
Britain has no ally except Argentina in the world............
what I mean !.........
your babblings is covering up this collaboration here.....!..................
You know am getting seriously worried about the amount of drugs some poster here have been taking, as it clearly is causing some strange forms of Murky Thinking.
Argentina the only ally Britian has hmmm.... Lol thats what i call a clear sign of delusion.
Whining (whinging even) is pointless. All too quickly the cusp of this article headline is reached
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/there-is-a-point-where-islanders-will-say-to-the-argentines-to-hell-with-you-6358941.html
Worth a read - should significantly update you.
European problems will come up; both will agree no money,
G8 will pop its head, promises will be made,
NATO will crop up, and Obama will make his point,
Then the experts will write something good abt the relationship,
Both will stand apart [3ft] and say, what is written down,
Home to bed,
Breakfast, then back to the UK and Obama won’t give it the slightest thought,
Mr Cameron is well aware of Obamas, anti British past,
And mr Obama is well aware of British lack of power,
The Falklands may or may not be mentioned, nothing will be agreed, it is a British problem, and the British are big enough to deal with it,
That’s abt it,
Until Obama gets kicked out, things will remain dormant,
Just my humble opinion.
And the British and Americans will still be friends
.
if a poodle was going to washington would it not be CFK,
Whereas Cameron will say to Obama, I know just what you have been going through I have some woman from Argentina saying the same thing and I can’t find them either, thank fuck you can’t find them I thought I was going mad.
Toothless? Lol don't make me laugh, he soon took a bite out of CFK now didn't he, and what happened? Argentina starts twisting and turning things and claiming they are not looking to colonise the islands, when indeed they are as thats why they keep claiming and bullying, harassing, and threatening the islanders. While at the same time whinging about being the victims of british aggression and provockation, when britian has done nothing aggressive or provocctive towards argentina at all. Hell you even claim a search and rescue pilot that flys a helicopter that is not armed and is painted bright yellow so it can been clearly seen, as a conquerer!
If anyone is being groomed Marcus, its you and the rest of you argentine dogs, as no doubt in the minds of everyone else in the world, that CFK is grooming you by indoctrinating you all.
The following article should “Update” me, you say?
“The wooden west wing where I was now had then been riddled with bullets and ”ARGENTINE SOLDIERS LAY DEAD AND WOUNDED IN THE VEGETABLE GARDEN”
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/there-is-a-point-where-islanders-will-say-to-the-argentines-to-hell-with-you-6358941.html
Lad.... Why you don´t ask you elders if the above happened as described?
If they don´t ”remember”; try Doing Your Own Research (it´s not so difficult)
Then ”Think”, my ”Young Free Anglo Friend”, how you are being manipulated and misinformed with each and every word you are fed with.
LOL.....
Love it Think .... from an Old Argie Leftie like yourself too :-)
Magnificent lol
Battle of Government House and surrender
One of the Amphibious Commandos after the fall of Stanley's Government HouseLying on a small hillock south of Government House, Lieutenant-Commander Pedro Giachino faced the difficulty of capturing this important objective with no radio and with a force of only sixteen men. He split his force into small groups, placing one on either side of the house and one at the rear. Unknown to them, the Governor's residence was the main concentration point of the Royal Marines, who outnumbered the Commandos by two to one.
The first attack against this building came at 6.30 a.m., barely an hour before the Yorke Bay amphibious landing, when one of Giachino's platoons, led by Lieutenant Gustavo Lugo,[21] started to exchange fire with the British troops inside the house.
At the same time, Giachino himself, with four of his subordinates, entered the servants' annexe, believing it to be the rear entrance to the residence. Three Royal Marines, Corporals Sellen and Fleet and Marine Dorey, who were placed to cover the annexe, beat off the first attack. Giachino was hit instantly as he burst through the door, while Lieutenant Diego Garcia Quiroga was shot in the arm. The remaining three retreated to the maid's quarters.
Giachino was not dead, but very badly wounded. An Argentine paramedic, Corporal Ernesto Urbina, attempted to get to Giachino but was wounded by a grenade. Giachino, seeing what had happened, pulled the pin from a hand grenade and threatened to use it. The Royal Marines then attempted to persuade the officer to get rid of the grenade so that they could give him medical treatment, but he refused, preventing them from reaching his position. After the surrender of the British forces at Government House, some three hours later, Giachino was taken to Stanley Hospital but died from loss of blood.[22]
you forgot to say about on as Argentina is paradise of fake identities,subcontractors.........!
Argentina is never a Brasil becouse that it's ethnical origins are eccentric
Spanish/Italians/Armenians/Arabs/Jews...but not useless...!!
Mourn them all, each and every one. No glory in seeing human brains and blood and guts scattered on the grass. None of it was flesh from wordy politicians and speculators, either. Safe in their ivory towers. They too shall pass. No one can escape that end; not one of us; it's just a matter of time. Why waste it.
Meanwhile the subtle propaganda machine has begun its psychological warfare: misinforming the reality in Argentina and its policies. The UK’s policies supporters must stop this tactic; it is plain hogwash and a waste of time. Threats (or perception of coercion) by both governments are part of this preliminary period; but, eventually, the UK and Argentina must sit down and negotiate a mutually acceptable solution.
How can anyone 'negotiate' with people who say one thing and then do another.
These people have no respect for contracts or even laws.
PLUS, the really important point: it is not up to what you think, what I theink, what the Argies think, or even what Sr Think thinks, it is ONLY what the Falkland Islanders (there are no Malvinas) think that counts. That's it.
Me. what the fuck do you want
Argy. we want those islands back they ours
Me. Fuck right of they never have been you never will be your so Jog on.
Argy BUT BUT BUT.
Me. What part of fuck of don't you understand? Now fuck of back to your corrupt broke country before I fucking twat you.
There wasn't hard was it.
Far too soft on Argentina we are.
be prepared, tuesday would be an interesting day....
stay tuned at 1900h argentine time....cfk will be talking, listen carefully
@30 If we, or our Prime Minister, are so toothless, why do you whinge so much about our troops, our warships, our submarines and our Typhoons? Now, as you can see, Billy boy says your fat slag is going to say something momentous on Tuesday. What do you think, Margo? Do you reckon she's going to say something that will enable us to re-start sinking your ships? Have you got all your aeroplanes into hardened shelters where the missiles can't reach them? Since you like to park your military aeroplanes on civilian airports, this week might be a good time not to be anywhere near an airport. Actually, this week might be a good time to be nowhere near a city. Then again, we may not do anything this week. It might be next week, or the week after, or next month. You just never know.
she may well promise the earth, but promising and coming up with the goods are two different things,
unless of course she has a secret , she wishes to tell us all,
retirement perhaps .
They are also meeting before the celebration of Galileo's 558th birthday.
And?
It's an attempt to bring importance to a story that would bore the rest of the world to tears. No one cares about what matters to Argentina.
In fact, I would go so far to say that if Argentina was wiped off the face of the earth no one would care.
They have long since maxed out on the world's patience with their relentless stupidity and arrogance.
Argentina's demise is right around the corner.
The world will never miss them. In fact, the world will celebrate the vanishing of the largest collective of Mama's Boys and Psycohpaths in history.
Chau y Bueno Suerte!
Given the choice between being diplomacy and child like spats of anger and lies, they choose child like spats of anger and lies.
Argentina has never recovered from being a wannabe be Axis power in the 1930's. Argentina's version of fascism (like that of Spain's) remained undefeated by WW2 Allied powers. It hadn't even had to fight a real civil war to maintain power, just murder 50,000-100,000 of its own unarmed political activists and we all know how easy that was for their brave and heroic military men, like their hero Commander Astiz.
It took the Falklands War to shake the Argentines into some semblance of reality. Remove their military government and see the Americans as something other than a benevolent uncle, rather more like a the uncle you kept your children away from, you know the one in the old mack who always had his hands in his pockets and a grimace on his lips.
But within a few short years a girl came alone, a wannabe Eva Peron and took them all the way back to year zero! And the Argentine people gave up their collective memory and switched back to servile child.
In the West it's very difficult to understand how the average Argentine thinks. We have to imagine how our own per-adolescent children think and we can then get into their mindset. Give them a box of toy soldiers & some flags to play with and they are as happy as pie, tell them that they can't own Tracey Island though and they will cry their eyes out.
At school, the teachers would always tell them “Tracey Island” was their's. Even though the reality was, it wasn't.
The question must be: what are the essential practical steps that both parties may want to start with?
The UK must be interested in more than just the respect for the right of the islanders; and Argentina in more than an immediate sovereignty.
Present emotional posturing may the preamble to the dialogue; but eventually it must be put aside. Trying to “outfox” each other will be part of the preliminary dialogue, but success will be measured in concrete political and economic terms.
There is nothing to negotiate. The people of the Falklands / Malvinas do not want to be part of our country. I respect that. Why can't you?
This is like Hitler saying to the Polish before WW2, “lets negotiate over your sovereignty”. There is nothing to negotiate. People have a right to determine their own sovereignty. If there was more respect for that right there would be few problems in the world today.
We must take responsibility for those that claim to represent our views Galtieri or Cristina Kirchner, they do not represent me, they have blood on their hands.
The UK’s policies supporters must stop this tactic; it is plain hogwash and a waste of time.
Threats (or perception of coercion) by both governments are part of this preliminary period; but, eventually, the UK and Argentina will sit down and negotiate a mutually acceptable political and economic solution.
The irony and surprise for the “emotional crowd” woud be when they find out that both the UK and Argentina may secretly, in their hearts and ”pockets”, need each other more than they might openly confess.
The only people trying to make a meal out of this is argentina, and it is they that are trying to deflect the population away from the real national problems argentina are about to face, just like the junta did in 1982.
And why or how on earth would the UK ever need argentina, i mean what have you got that we can not get elsewhere or have not got already. All argentina has to offer the world is soya beans. Sorry but thats the obviously truth. You have nothing to offer the UK thats is of any worth to us or that we can not get from elsewhere.
they will never be allowed to get what they have never owned.
Here's a FACT for you. In 1850 Britain and Argentina signed the Convention of Settlement Treaty which settled All differences and created Perfect relations between the two nations and the islands remained in British control. Effectively, that ended the matter. Had Argentina intended to pursue a claim that was the moment to do it. Argentina said nothing. Britain was in control of the Falklands and Argentina had no objection. You cannot sign an agreement and then 40 or more years later say that you've changed your mind. It's dishonest. It's fraudulent. Britain can expose that and it is doubtful whether there would be many countries that would sign more agreements with argieland. Simply, it would display that argieland is not trustworthy.
This is REALITY. Argieland can either stand by its agreements or be exposed as liars, cheats and thieves. This is the TRUTH. Not hogwash. The relevant document must be in argieland's national archives, unless the government has destroyed it.
A more recent example of the truthfulness of argie governments. In 1982, the Royal Navy submarine HMS Conqueror sank ARA General Belgrano. Argieland claimed that the cruiser was outside the Falklands exclusion zone and headed for its home port. In the 90s the argie government and the Belgrano's captain said that the Belgrano was a legitimate target. Last year, 2011, it emerged that the Belgrano was inside the exclusion zone and headed for a rendezvous also within the exclusion zone. Argie half-truths and lies.
Here's the bottom line from an ordinary Brit. Stay away from our Islands. I live close to “the Home of the British Army”. I'll be around to tell our guys to take no prisoners.
This is simply not a big issue in the UK, in a list of the top 10 issues it would come 18-20.
When it does come up it is still an emotive issue, no British gov or PM could behave any differently to Cameron. Who has the support of all major political parties including the opposition on this issue.
This is not manuvering by the British gov this is a real position, the British genuinly do not believe Argentina has any real claim to the Islands (as polite as I can put it), or that there is anything to negotiate
on sovereignty against the wishes of the Islanders.
The economic reality is Argentina needs las malvinas much more that the Falklands needs Argentina.
There is no mutualy acceptable compromise on the Islanders right to self determination.
britain to the UN .
No, she's having a baby!
While she was in hospital having her neck smoothed out they put a little plastic doll up her. Plastic Queen after all. :o)
The Argentine Empire 10 x larger than Britain and wanting to expand. I'd say that's an Empire.
The Argentines are not a real nation, their country has only existed for about 175 years. Most Argentines trace their family history to Italy, Spain, Germany and the British Isles. The only real Argentines are the Amerindians and their nation is the entire continent of America.
The Argentines I know have Italian mothers, English father, Spanish grandfathers, German grandmothers, Welsh great great uncles. It's technically impossible to claim Argentines are a nation.
They also have the most comically fascist like government on the entire continent. Their entire policy agenda revolves around a group of islands they work 24/7 to alienate the population of. While spreading lies and peddling rants about “the British” that make Mugabe look normal by comparison.
Latin Americans find Argentina an alien culture, its a colonial relic, a piece of Europe transplanted onto a continent thousands of miles away. The culture is Latin European, with a touch of English and Welsh. It certainly bears no resemblance to its neighbors in Paraguay, Bolivia, Venezuela, or Peru.
Even the Argentine honour guards wear colonial uniforms copied from the British and Spanish Imperial era.
They are a throwback to another age. An age of fascism.
The statement was made by Chavez during a meeting of the eight member states of the Bolivian Alliance (ALBA) when they met to “approve an agreement barring any boats flying Falkland Islands flags from docking in their ports.”
www.hmforces.co.uk/armed_forces_news/articles/10273-venezuelan-president-we-will-fight-with-argentina-over-the-falklands
when will it stop
when will you learn
.
Britannia attempted to set foot in Buenos Aires; in early 1800 two invasions led by Beresford and Whitelocke were defeated. Yet in 1833 you ancestors managed to settle the Malvinas islands with what you used to call kelpers in Malvinas (today called “islanders” because of the pejorative meaning of the word) and expelled and imprisoned the local inhabitants loyal to the new government in Buenos Aires.
Since the kelpers, were generally of British origin and spoke the English Language, it is not a solid argument to mak it is not surprising to anybody today that they consider themselves loyal to the UK.
Then came the era of “Splendid Isolationism” where “Britannia ruled the waves” until WWI: The UK’s Geo-strategy supported by militarism, industrialism, evolved into Colonialism in Asia and Africa.
But everything that goes up eventually must come down, WWI and WWII with the cost of lives and economic resources eventually put restrictions to the dream, and thus ended the Empire where “the Sun never sets” … and with it the end of colonialism and empire.
So remember my dear friends: Look across the Channel, take care of your domestic problems and stay home.
Cordially, your argie friend.
God help Argentina if they have for a President as thick as this bitch, no wonder they are broke and in trouble the people who elected the bitch deserver her. What a bunch of Muppet.
belive me we are trying to get out of europe, and we will,
We ARE home & we still don't want anything to do with you.
There is NOTHING to negotiate.
You were lying in post#64 , so l cannot trust anything that you say.
The trespassing garrison was ejected & rightly so.
The civilians stayed & their blood, much diluted by later British emigration, runs trough the veins of the present Falklanders.
Please do not post anymore lies on this subject.
Gracias
Isolde,Why are you so emotional?
How and where is Tristan, occupying somebody's home as a good Viking must do? I wouldn't expect something more intelligent from him.
Tell him that the XIX century is OVER! Negotiations is the way of the XXI century. Otherwise, “this will NOT be the finest hour” Oh, I almost forgot: You should keep your eyes on what is going on across the Channel. And by the way: if you are an inhabitant of Malvinas, ask the more than 500,000 Argentine citizens of British descent (3 of them have been Presidents of Argentina) how baddd the Argies are:)
Love, negotiations, and peace.
Cordially, your Argie friend
no walky
they are not your
and never will be
and argentina has just made her biggest error yet .
Not emotional, just don't like liars.
As briton says:-
no talky
no walky
they are not yours
and never will be.
Best regard from your Argie friend:o]
and the islands will remain british
now thats a good thought, is it not .
Just for you.
Something for you to think about, this weekend.
“There will be NO NEGOTIATIONS ABOUT SOVEREIGNTY”
Have a great weekend.♥
That is more a dream than a thought.
Best regards
74 lsolde (#)
OK. I'm so sorry you didn't THINK long enough. But the heart touched my heart:o}
The best to you.
Are these two chicks are having a moment or is just my impression? :-)))
and use it as a get out clause.
Artillero, recuerda y no lo olvides nunca:
“Love thy enemy”
... and NEVER forget it!
Didn't know that nyaria2000 was a female. Oh well doesn't matter.
She's still wrong. The Falklands are OURS, not her country's.
That much is certain.
As for the heart symbol, l just randomly posted it as the mood took me.
No particular significance.
yes, she is right, Jesus tells us to love our enemies. Bit hard at times, especially when they are in the wrong.
AND I NEVER TURN THE OTHER CHEEK.
Oh, Isolde, Isolde! Surprise ... I'm a MALE:o) So your heart still touches my heart.
Love, negotiations and PEACE. ... and say Hi to Tristan
Yours truly
and 81 ChrisR (#)
with that name ... an Atheist?!?
Well spotted. Until I was about 14 or 15 I was the head server at the CoE 'High' Church (yes, it was a pseudo RC one without allegiance to the Pope) and then I started to study science seriously and grew up.
I make no apologies that if I could press a button and remove religion from society (without killing anyone unlike the muslims) then I would AND the world would be better off because of it.
Just look at how many have died over the centuries over a myth.
That is not to say I do not have some of the core elements of christianity to help me relate to people. I am told that I am a very nice guy but that is only until someone hurts a member of my family: and then things change. :o)
You have made a sweeping statement: “I make no apologies that if I could press a button and remove religion from society (without killing anyone unlike the Muslims) then I would AND the world would be better off because of it.”
As you seem to be familiar with wars, you must also recognize that the political systems that precipitated and participated in the events of WWI, the Russian Revolution and the Stalinist Purges in the USSR, Nazism, and WWII were not led by an organized religion. Each regime or political system had already decided to “remove religion from society” and establish “their version of a new world order” that they ALL proclaimed to be the best for humanity.
Yet together they managed to KILL over 100 million humans in just 32 years (from 1914 to 1945); and that is not counting the wounded and mutilated for life. I didn’t see these events the “Religious Brigades” have you?
Today we can see the same discourse again: “We are better than thou.” And so on and so forth.
With Best Regards
Religions are at best 'cults', what else can they be as they are not based on fact but belief? In my judgement cults and religions are completely interchangeable.
I do not know how you think of Nazism but it certainly was a belief system albeit a warped one of the Ayrian Nations being superior to any other.
Is not Roman Catholicism 'the one true faith' unless you ask the muslims who will kill you if you question their faith?
The Russian Revolution was succeeded by a Marxist-Leninist belief system, again a warped one.
Stalin of course was a psychopath, the only thing he ever believed in was himself. That one I must concede had nothing to do with a cult or religion.
Muslisms are the biggest threat to the people of the world today. The rise they now have from late medieval suppression (they knew something who did that) is infiltrating all the western world. I understand even Argentina fell foul of it? Was it a president who was a closet muslim, or am I mistaken?
Their creed is a very simple one to understand: join us and welcome 'brother' or resist us and die 'infidel'. A stark choice, even for an atheist.
The one common thing throughout history that religious bigots of all stripes, including muslims have is 'God / Allah is on OUR side. How do you square that one?
Do you not see the stark choice facing the Falklanders (there are no Malvinas) as dictated by Argentina is in a similar vein to all the other bigots. Join us or leave your homeland.
With the kindest of regards.
Well thats nice for you.♥♥♥♥
The material destruct ions and the staggering number of 100 million people killed in just 32 years in the XX century can't be blamed to Christianity, Islam, or Judaism. Those who started the wars, mass killings, the use of weapons of mass destruction, concentration camps, etc. were not representing ANY religion. They represented intolerance and GREED.
Your Argie friend
I apologise if I have not got my point over properly for you to understand.
Religions were the real warmongers in the past. 'Ours is the true faith' has caused more deaths than anyting else. Do you not see that if the 'Christians' of the crusades had nuclear weapons then the deaths would have been higher. They were stupid European christians and the muslims were no better.
Radical muslims today are EXACTLY the same as the idiots of the middle ages. Their ONLY aim is to see Islam spread throughout the entire world or death to ALL infidels.
The USA are among the worst bible-bashers that there are. They are even teaching creationism in some southern schools 'for God's sake'. :o)
'They represented intolerance and GREED.' you write in the final sentance.
Some of the Falklanders (there are no Malvinas) here could say the exactly the same thing about Argentina and there would at least be something tangible in that.
Peace be with you. Achieving that does not rely on religion for peoples who want to get on together.
Religions are based on FAITH not just beliefs.
I noticed how you are avoiding answering my question:
What does religion have to do with the killing of 100 million people killed in 32 years (1914-1946)?
Please stay in the XX and XXI centuries so we can link this exchange of ideas to the issue of sovereignty over Malvinas. (We could go back to religious history later on - which I find it as one the most interesting topics)
Best regards
l can't find them on any map.
I have aready answered it:
In my judgement cults and religions are completely interchangeable.
I do not know how you think of Nazism but it certainly was a belief system albeit a warped one of the Ayrian Nations being superior to any other.
Is not Roman Catholicism 'the one true faith' unless you ask the muslims who will kill you if you question their faith?
The Russian Revolution was succeeded by a Marxist-Leninist belief system, again a warped one. All these religions / cults were involved in one way or another in the 20th century wars.
Belief:
1.An acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.
2.Something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion or conviction.
Faith:
1.Complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
2.Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
Cult:
1.A system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
2.A relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.
Are not points 2 in all three definitions the same?
Also the USA came into both world wars through no small part due to the various religions putting pressure on the government, but the attack on Pearl Harbour clinched it against the Japanese. “In God We Trust” is trotted out by the Americans to support all sorts of personal abuses.
I prefer the one used in shops and businesses: 'IGWT but everbody else has to pay cash'. Seems a little more practical to me.
And, don't forget, as I said befoe “God is ALWAYS on their side” whichever side that is.
With the kindest of regards.
Just few days ago, Roberta Jacobson, the Adjunct Under-Secretary of State for Latin America, had already ratified the position of the White House on Malvinas when she was consulted in Lima, Peru. But after her meeting in Buenos Aires with the Minister of Foreign Relations from Argentina, Hector Timerman, she did not speak in public.
Who did it in Washington was the spokeswoman for the Department of State, Victoria Nuland who insisted that: “the position has not changed.” “It is a bilateral issue that should be spoken directly between Britain and Argentina and that is what we are encouraging.” If there were doubts, Nuland stressed: “We encourage Argentina and Britain to resolve this in a peaceful manner through negotiations.”
Would the gentleman from 10 Downing Street care to refute or interpret for us Argies this statement?
Thanks
but look at this
www.danentwisle.com/blog/?p=58
interesting read.
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