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PM Cameron meets Obama in March ahead of the Falklands conflict anniversary
British Prime Minister David Cameron and US President Barack Obama will meet in Washington next month, three weeks before the 30 anniversary of the beginning of the Falklands conflict. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI really think this is a silly story. It is an issue of zero relevance to the dialogue between the US and the UK. It's like saying “Although the agenda does not include discussion of Persian cats...”
Feb 04th, 2012 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just take a look at the picture, the body language says it all.
Feb 04th, 2012 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Neither is looking the other in the eyes and Obarmy is loath to touch Cameron.
The sooner Obarmy gets chucked out of office the better.
(1) Well spotted Mr. Austral……
Feb 04th, 2012 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now......; if you read MercoPress's articles about South /North interactions, you will be able to spot this very same hopeless recurrent manipulative tendentiousness on most of them……..
Mr Think,
Feb 04th, 2012 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0a touch of spin perhaps, but then your side is never deficient in this endeavour, either pre or post the revelation!
(4) Falklandlad…
Feb 04th, 2012 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your “justification” is just as pathetic as a motorist being fined for speeding.
Desperately pointing finger at others speeding by and whining to the Law Officer:
Why meee, (whine)
What about hiiim (whine) ?
Or hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiim (whine) ??
Or hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiim (whine) ???
The US are just passing the buck, they want nothing to do with the 'argument', however, oil speaks very loudly in the world economy and the UK have many more 'bargaining power' than Argentina, so lets see how Obama shows his loyalty at their meeting, seems Agentina's moaning will be very low on the agenda...if at all. The 'blind eye' will be firmly closed.
Feb 04th, 2012 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@5
Feb 04th, 2012 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0a lecture from a argie on whining
How provacative!!!
Feb 04th, 2012 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How dare Cameron have a meeting with Obama 30 years after Argentina's military adventure, naked aggression, war crime.
Nice nuclear submarine on its way now, to join that nice destroyer.
This article says :
Feb 04th, 2012 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British PM meets Obama in March.................
I say :
This visit's reason could be this......
http:www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-78008.html
Don't you just love how Her Majesty's submarines can monitor 'everything'? Internet, mobile phones, radio, everything! And how well cruise missiles can be targeted. Aside from the onboard SAS and SBS personnel.
Feb 04th, 2012 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0USA wants nothing to do with it because it is a nothing issue. Who in the world could care less about it except the UK and Argentina? As I've always predicted the world will speak of support or otherwise to both sides but will, in effect, sit back and leave it up to the two nations who are arguing. Which means the UK will tell Argentina to get stuffed and there'll be nothing Argentina can do about it except maybe try to put pressure, in the form of blockades, on the Falklands. If they continue to up the ante on that the UK will eventually forcefully break the blockade. Argentina will cry of acts of aggression and accuse the UK of being ever-ready to use military force, yardy yardy yardy... but the world won't give a stuff. Skirmishes of that kind happen all the time.
Feb 04th, 2012 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Most wars/fights start over verbal aggression. UK has every right to protect their citizens and territory. Argentina is clearly the aggressor.
Feb 04th, 2012 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The problem is RGs want to appear macho but in reality they are cowards and will back down at the first sign of strength from the other side. UK should send the destroyer to 12.1 miles off their coastline and run it up and down the coast until they back down.
The main issue to be discussed is Iran considering washingtod firmily believe the israel will bomb iran in between march and june this year if sanctions do not have the desired effect. And that is our bargining chip, i can see it now.
Feb 04th, 2012 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obama - will you committed forces to a war with iran?
Cameron - No
Obama - Why not?
Cameron - We committed our forces to Iraq and afthganistan and you guys stabbed us in the back by not supporting our sovereignty of the falklands or respecting the islanders rights of self determination as enshrined in the UN Charter.
Obama - Okay if we apologise and change our stance to supporting your sovereignty and the islanders rights to self determination under the UN Charter, then will you support us in a war with iran.
Cameron - Yes but only after you have made such support for our sovreignty and the islanders rights public and an official state policy.
Oh the wonders of bargining chips lol ;-)))
9 - Are you trying to say that UK has engineered this current round of arguments to cover up an independence issue!! Firstly all the rest of the UK in recent surveys have backed Scotland to leave the union. We dont want them and think we will be better off without them. So to put the record straight UK is not in turmoil England is looking forward to not propping Scotland up with huge tax payouts. Second point to bring this to a school playground type discussion Argentina has been organising blockades, fishing for squid, cancelling air routes and generally bullying the falklands. Only recently have we started to stick up for ourselves and now argentina is starting to cry. Push us to far and this is what you get. So submarine soon in place , Type 45 Destroyer, Resident Guardship, $ Typhoon, send a few more troops next month.
Feb 04th, 2012 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 013 Teaboy2
Feb 04th, 2012 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yep, that sounds pretty plausible. No doubt the rabble from the other side will claim to see it differently.
I imagine a similar dialogue to what you described but perhaps subtly different:
Obama - will you committed forces to a war with iran?
Cameron - No
Obama - Why not?
Cameron - We committed our forces to Iraq and afthganistan and you guys stabbed us in the back by not supporting our sovereignty of the falklands or respecting the islanders rights of self determination as enshrined in the UN Charter.
Obama - Ah shit! You don't don't need our help to take care of a pile of shit like those motherfuckers do you? Okay if we apologise and change our stance to supporting your sovereignty and the islanders rights to self determination under the UN Charter, then will you support us in a war with iran.
Cameron - Yes but only after you have made such support for our sovreignty and the islanders rights public and an official state policy. Oh and if those morons do force our military hand could you give us similar support to what you did (while you were publicly denying it) in 1982? All that bunkering you provided us off Ascension Island was really great last time. Thanks.
Obama - No worries Davo. Now we better get down to the serious business.
if UK really cared for their citizens they will take them back home and not use them as ponds in another country, USA and UK deport every undocumented person, why does the white race think they can treat us Latinamericans differently, Argentina should deport all the british illegal aliens back to UK and act like a civilized nation that protects it territorial integrity, as USA and UK does against Mexican and gipsys.
Feb 04th, 2012 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 5 Think
Feb 04th, 2012 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“” Your “justification” is just as pathetic as a motorist being fined for speeding. Desperately pointing finger at others speeding by and whining to the Law Officer: Why meee, (whine) What about hiiim (whine) ? Or hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiim (whine) ?? Or hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiim (whine) ??? “”
You mean like Mr. Chris Huhne - the first Cabinet Minister of a British government that has been charged by the police of a criminal offence - in that he ALLEGEDLY attempted to pursuade his wife to cover his ass when he got busted for speeding??
Pirat-Hunter
Feb 04th, 2012 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We're not treating you at all let alone treating you differently. You racist! Crawl back under your stone and mind your own business and we'll continue to not treat you. Keep going the way you intimate you are and you will regret it. Then you can try claiming the moral high ground after blood has been spilt but nobody will give a rat's arse about you. It's almost like you are egging the UK into military action so you can then scream blue murder. The bit you need to realise is that many lives will be lost and many more ruined forever.
The dispute is all over some small wind swept islands that Argentines want so badly, even though virtually no Argentine nationals currently live here. You are free to enter and apply to settle here now but none of you ever do. I can think of less than 10 (actually probably less than 5) Argentines living here and most of them are married to Falkland Islanders. If every Argentine wants to live there so badly why don't any of you apply to? The Patagonian Chileans live and work in the islands in their hundreds. All earning incomes they could only dream of in Patagonia. Why don't the Argentines try it?
Everyone are arguing about sovereignty, self determination and rights. But in all history wars were excused with invented issues related with the population. Why shall we exclude the falklands conflict in this? I see big economics groups (related with oil) They can be british or from usa. But they do not represent USA or England. People who lives in USA dont win anything with bush wars (in fact they lose). In the same way english people didnt win anything with the british colonialism in the past centuries.
Feb 04th, 2012 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now the economics groups that now are looking for oil in the islands are the same that benefits with bush wars, the same that explote gold mines in south america and the same that get benefits when a country is in default and the banks are saved instead of the people that every day work.
Perhaps the best thing we can do to generate a real good discussion is to forget the fellings. Maybe we discovered that the conflicts are iniciated by ecomics groups that dont belong to any conuntry. They belong to their own interests.
@16 You really don't understand, do you? That's because you're a brain-dead, brainwashed, indoctrinated imbecile. The Falklanders have a home. It's called the Falkland Islands. Their home is not in the United Kingdom, it is in the Falkland Islands, you colonialist, imperialist bastards.
Feb 04th, 2012 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do we treat Latin Americans differently? It's because you are t*rds. The missing letter is a “u”. How I wish I could k*ll two argies every hour of every day. Slowly. Suspended face down so that they can watch their genitals floating in their blood.
@12
Feb 04th, 2012 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Most wars/fights start over verbal aggression.... or false pretenses like the Iraq war, right?
(17) dreyfoss
Feb 04th, 2012 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good spotted.............. :-)
One slight difference though.......
Mr. Christopher Murray Paul-Huhne whined:
Why meee (whine) !
It was heeer (whine) !
It was heeeeeeeeeeer (whine) !
It was heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer (whine) !
@ think
Feb 04th, 2012 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL
Long Live Sean Hurtcluff
Feb 04th, 2012 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live Scotland -- Long Live Republic
(14)
Feb 04th, 2012 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say :
Are you trying to say that UK engineered.....................
I say :
No........!.........
==================
You say :
...Argentina has been organizing blockades.............
I say :
I don't know and care what you are.......
but I am not stupid ..............
Britain has no ally except Argentina in the world............
what I mean !.........
your babblings is covering up this collaboration here.....!..................
Lament, lament; where are the soya beans of yesteryear? Never mind, let's blame the Falklanders.
Feb 04th, 2012 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@25 “Britain has no ally except Argentina in the world............”
Feb 04th, 2012 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know am getting seriously worried about the amount of drugs some poster here have been taking, as it clearly is causing some strange forms of Murky Thinking.
Argentina the only ally Britian has hmmm.... Lol thats what i call a clear sign of delusion.
Mr Think (6+22)
Feb 04th, 2012 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whining (whinging even) is pointless. All too quickly the cusp of this article headline is reached
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/there-is-a-point-where-islanders-will-say-to-the-argentines-to-hell-with-you-6358941.html
Worth a read - should significantly update you.
Actually I doubt the meeting will be that successful,
Feb 04th, 2012 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0European problems will come up; both will agree no money,
G8 will pop its head, promises will be made,
NATO will crop up, and Obama will make his point,
Then the experts will write something good abt the relationship,
Both will stand apart [3ft] and say, what is written down,
Home to bed,
Breakfast, then back to the UK and Obama won’t give it the slightest thought,
Mr Cameron is well aware of Obamas, anti British past,
And mr Obama is well aware of British lack of power,
The Falklands may or may not be mentioned, nothing will be agreed, it is a British problem, and the British are big enough to deal with it,
That’s abt it,
Until Obama gets kicked out, things will remain dormant,
Just my humble opinion.
And the British and Americans will still be friends
.
The toohtless poodle is is going to Whashington for grooming.
Feb 04th, 2012 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos Alejandro childish surley
Feb 04th, 2012 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if a poodle was going to washington would it not be CFK,
The first thing that Obama will say to Cameron is, thank fuck you are here I can have a decent conversation with a normal human being for the last few months I have had to listen to an Argentine idiot who keeps going on about some islands in the South Atlantic called the Malvinas and for the life of me I can’t find them.
Feb 04th, 2012 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whereas Cameron will say to Obama, I know just what you have been going through I have some woman from Argentina saying the same thing and I can’t find them either, thank fuck you can’t find them I thought I was going mad.
@Marcus
Feb 04th, 2012 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Toothless? Lol don't make me laugh, he soon took a bite out of CFK now didn't he, and what happened? Argentina starts twisting and turning things and claiming they are not looking to colonise the islands, when indeed they are as thats why they keep claiming and bullying, harassing, and threatening the islanders. While at the same time whinging about being the victims of british aggression and provockation, when britian has done nothing aggressive or provocctive towards argentina at all. Hell you even claim a search and rescue pilot that flys a helicopter that is not armed and is painted bright yellow so it can been clearly seen, as a conquerer!
If anyone is being groomed Marcus, its you and the rest of you argentine dogs, as no doubt in the minds of everyone else in the world, that CFK is grooming you by indoctrinating you all.
(28) Falklandlad
Feb 05th, 2012 - 12:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0The following article should “Update” me, you say?
“The wooden west wing where I was now had then been riddled with bullets and ”ARGENTINE SOLDIERS LAY DEAD AND WOUNDED IN THE VEGETABLE GARDEN”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/there-is-a-point-where-islanders-will-say-to-the-argentines-to-hell-with-you-6358941.html
Lad.... Why you don´t ask you elders if the above happened as described?
If they don´t ”remember”; try Doing Your Own Research (it´s not so difficult)
Then ”Think”, my ”Young Free Anglo Friend”, how you are being manipulated and misinformed with each and every word you are fed with.
16 Pirat-Hunter (#)
Feb 05th, 2012 - 01:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0LOL.....
“Then ”Think”, my ”Young Free Anglo Friend”, how you are being manipulated and misinformed with each and every word you are fed with.”
Feb 05th, 2012 - 01:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Love it Think .... from an Old Argie Leftie like yourself too :-)
Magnificent lol
try Doing Your Own Research (it´s not so difficult
Feb 05th, 2012 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Battle of Government House and surrender
One of the Amphibious Commandos after the fall of Stanley's Government HouseLying on a small hillock south of Government House, Lieutenant-Commander Pedro Giachino faced the difficulty of capturing this important objective with no radio and with a force of only sixteen men. He split his force into small groups, placing one on either side of the house and one at the rear. Unknown to them, the Governor's residence was the main concentration point of the Royal Marines, who outnumbered the Commandos by two to one.
The first attack against this building came at 6.30 a.m., barely an hour before the Yorke Bay amphibious landing, when one of Giachino's platoons, led by Lieutenant Gustavo Lugo,[21] started to exchange fire with the British troops inside the house.
At the same time, Giachino himself, with four of his subordinates, entered the servants' annexe, believing it to be the rear entrance to the residence. Three Royal Marines, Corporals Sellen and Fleet and Marine Dorey, who were placed to cover the annexe, beat off the first attack. Giachino was hit instantly as he burst through the door, while Lieutenant Diego Garcia Quiroga was shot in the arm. The remaining three retreated to the maid's quarters.
Giachino was not dead, but very badly wounded. An Argentine paramedic, Corporal Ernesto Urbina, attempted to get to Giachino but was wounded by a grenade. Giachino, seeing what had happened, pulled the pin from a hand grenade and threatened to use it. The Royal Marines then attempted to persuade the officer to get rid of the grenade so that they could give him medical treatment, but he refused, preventing them from reaching his position. After the surrender of the British forces at Government House, some three hours later, Giachino was taken to Stanley Hospital but died from loss of blood.[22]
** 25 Murky
Feb 05th, 2012 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0you forgot to say about on as Argentina is paradise of fake identities,subcontractors.........!
Argentina is never a Brasil becouse that it's ethnical origins are eccentric
Spanish/Italians/Armenians/Arabs/Jews...but not useless...!!
Now here's a thought: If Argentina hadn't invaded the Falklands, there wouldn't have been any war dead and wounded.
Feb 05th, 2012 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mourn them all, each and every one. No glory in seeing human brains and blood and guts scattered on the grass. None of it was flesh from wordy politicians and speculators, either. Safe in their ivory towers. They too shall pass. No one can escape that end; not one of us; it's just a matter of time. Why waste it.
UK's Old Geo-Strategy still at work: control the seas and you will secure UK's interests. Nothing new; but why now?
Feb 05th, 2012 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile the subtle propaganda machine has begun its psychological warfare: misinforming the reality in Argentina and its policies. The UK’s policies supporters must stop this tactic; it is plain hogwash and a waste of time. Threats (or perception of coercion) by both governments are part of this preliminary period; but, eventually, the UK and Argentina must sit down and negotiate a mutually acceptable solution.
40 nyaria2000
Feb 05th, 2012 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How can anyone 'negotiate' with people who say one thing and then do another.
These people have no respect for contracts or even laws.
PLUS, the really important point: it is not up to what you think, what I theink, what the Argies think, or even what Sr Think thinks, it is ONLY what the Falkland Islanders (there are no Malvinas) think that counts. That's it.
40 nyaria2000---- How's this for a bit of negotiating.
Feb 05th, 2012 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Me. what the fuck do you want
Argy. we want those islands back they ours
Me. Fuck right of they never have been you never will be your so Jog on.
Argy BUT BUT BUT.
Me. What part of fuck of don't you understand? Now fuck of back to your corrupt broke country before I fucking twat you.
There wasn't hard was it.
Far too soft on Argentina we are.
hi folks....
Feb 05th, 2012 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0be prepared, tuesday would be an interesting day....
stay tuned at 1900h argentine time....cfk will be talking, listen carefully
@43 Tell you what, Billy boy, it's not that I'm impatient but the time is different in Britain and, being a little elderly now, quite possibly past my bedtime. Besides, you haven't told us what your fat slag will be talking on. Radio, tv and what station. Also, even if you all pedal really hard, I doubt if you can generate enough power for the signal to reach Britain. And I don't understand that funny European gibberish she'll be speaking and that proves you lot arrived as imperial colonists. So come on, smarty, tell me what she's going to say. Then I can match what you say now against what she says then. And we'll know whether you are “close” or you have a source or you are just a toilet attendant.
Feb 05th, 2012 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@30 If we, or our Prime Minister, are so toothless, why do you whinge so much about our troops, our warships, our submarines and our Typhoons? Now, as you can see, Billy boy says your fat slag is going to say something momentous on Tuesday. What do you think, Margo? Do you reckon she's going to say something that will enable us to re-start sinking your ships? Have you got all your aeroplanes into hardened shelters where the missiles can't reach them? Since you like to park your military aeroplanes on civilian airports, this week might be a good time not to be anywhere near an airport. Actually, this week might be a good time to be nowhere near a city. Then again, we may not do anything this week. It might be next week, or the week after, or next month. You just never know.
whatever she says, it will be to brainwash the masses,
Feb 05th, 2012 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0she may well promise the earth, but promising and coming up with the goods are two different things,
unless of course she has a secret , she wishes to tell us all,
retirement perhaps .
What is the point of saying they are meeting before the anniversary.
Feb 06th, 2012 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0They are also meeting before the celebration of Galileo's 558th birthday.
And?
It's an attempt to bring importance to a story that would bore the rest of the world to tears. No one cares about what matters to Argentina.
In fact, I would go so far to say that if Argentina was wiped off the face of the earth no one would care.
They have long since maxed out on the world's patience with their relentless stupidity and arrogance.
Argentina's demise is right around the corner.
The world will never miss them. In fact, the world will celebrate the vanishing of the largest collective of Mama's Boys and Psycohpaths in history.
Chau y Bueno Suerte!
Argentines are not very bright, given the choice between fascism and democracy they have chosen fascism every time. Given the choice between American hegemony and being an independent nation, they have chosen America hegemony every time, characterised by its attendant secret police (NSA, CIA, Special Forces and other such gestapo trappings, including their own) and an attendant military or militant right government.
Feb 06th, 2012 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Given the choice between being diplomacy and child like spats of anger and lies, they choose child like spats of anger and lies.
Argentina has never recovered from being a wannabe be Axis power in the 1930's. Argentina's version of fascism (like that of Spain's) remained undefeated by WW2 Allied powers. It hadn't even had to fight a real civil war to maintain power, just murder 50,000-100,000 of its own unarmed political activists and we all know how easy that was for their brave and heroic military men, like their hero Commander Astiz.
It took the Falklands War to shake the Argentines into some semblance of reality. Remove their military government and see the Americans as something other than a benevolent uncle, rather more like a the uncle you kept your children away from, you know the one in the old mack who always had his hands in his pockets and a grimace on his lips.
But within a few short years a girl came alone, a wannabe Eva Peron and took them all the way back to year zero! And the Argentine people gave up their collective memory and switched back to servile child.
In the West it's very difficult to understand how the average Argentine thinks. We have to imagine how our own per-adolescent children think and we can then get into their mindset. Give them a box of toy soldiers & some flags to play with and they are as happy as pie, tell them that they can't own Tracey Island though and they will cry their eyes out.
At school, the teachers would always tell them “Tracey Island” was their's. Even though the reality was, it wasn't.
To negotiate the “question of the Falkland-Malvinas” they (the UK and Argentina) must concentrate on the issues: sovereignty may not be the first … it may be the last. Think in terms of 100 years or less.
Feb 06th, 2012 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0The question must be: what are the essential practical steps that both parties may want to start with?
The UK must be interested in more than just the respect for the right of the islanders; and Argentina in more than an immediate sovereignty.
Present emotional posturing may the preamble to the dialogue; but eventually it must be put aside. Trying to “outfox” each other will be part of the preliminary dialogue, but success will be measured in concrete political and economic terms.
@ 48 nyaria2000
Feb 06th, 2012 - 02:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is nothing to negotiate. The people of the Falklands / Malvinas do not want to be part of our country. I respect that. Why can't you?
This is like Hitler saying to the Polish before WW2, “lets negotiate over your sovereignty”. There is nothing to negotiate. People have a right to determine their own sovereignty. If there was more respect for that right there would be few problems in the world today.
We must take responsibility for those that claim to represent our views Galtieri or Cristina Kirchner, they do not represent me, they have blood on their hands.
Meanwhile the subtle propaganda machine has begun its psychological warfare: misinforming the public the today's reality in Argentina and its policies:
Feb 06th, 2012 - 03:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK’s policies supporters must stop this tactic; it is plain hogwash and a waste of time.
Threats (or perception of coercion) by both governments are part of this preliminary period; but, eventually, the UK and Argentina will sit down and negotiate a mutually acceptable political and economic solution.
The irony and surprise for the “emotional crowd” woud be when they find out that both the UK and Argentina may secretly, in their hearts and ”pockets”, need each other more than they might openly confess.
nyaria, get your facts right, the Uk Policy makers are not doing anything different to what has been done annually for the last 30 years. The Falklands dispute is not even major news here in the UK and even though Prince williams arrival in the falklands made the news along with mentions of the argentine aggression, at the end of last week, it was soon replaced the day after with articles on the bad weather here along with EU and other national issues.
Feb 06th, 2012 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only people trying to make a meal out of this is argentina, and it is they that are trying to deflect the population away from the real national problems argentina are about to face, just like the junta did in 1982.
And why or how on earth would the UK ever need argentina, i mean what have you got that we can not get elsewhere or have not got already. All argentina has to offer the world is soya beans. Sorry but thats the obviously truth. You have nothing to offer the UK thats is of any worth to us or that we can not get from elsewhere.
the british goverment has already written to the UN and pointed out in a 5 page letter, why we will not talk to argentina,
Feb 06th, 2012 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they will never be allowed to get what they have never owned.
@50 I add my voice to those of others. You just don't understand because you have been subject to too much government propaganda. In essence, you are no different to the Germans who were told in the 30s that they had been “stabbed in the back” and were therefore justified in starting another war.
Feb 06th, 2012 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here's a FACT for you. In 1850 Britain and Argentina signed the Convention of Settlement Treaty which settled All differences and created Perfect relations between the two nations and the islands remained in British control. Effectively, that ended the matter. Had Argentina intended to pursue a claim that was the moment to do it. Argentina said nothing. Britain was in control of the Falklands and Argentina had no objection. You cannot sign an agreement and then 40 or more years later say that you've changed your mind. It's dishonest. It's fraudulent. Britain can expose that and it is doubtful whether there would be many countries that would sign more agreements with argieland. Simply, it would display that argieland is not trustworthy.
This is REALITY. Argieland can either stand by its agreements or be exposed as liars, cheats and thieves. This is the TRUTH. Not hogwash. The relevant document must be in argieland's national archives, unless the government has destroyed it.
A more recent example of the truthfulness of argie governments. In 1982, the Royal Navy submarine HMS Conqueror sank ARA General Belgrano. Argieland claimed that the cruiser was outside the Falklands exclusion zone and headed for its home port. In the 90s the argie government and the Belgrano's captain said that the Belgrano was a legitimate target. Last year, 2011, it emerged that the Belgrano was inside the exclusion zone and headed for a rendezvous also within the exclusion zone. Argie half-truths and lies.
Here's the bottom line from an ordinary Brit. Stay away from our Islands. I live close to “the Home of the British Army”. I'll be around to tell our guys to take no prisoners.
@50 nyaria2000
Feb 06th, 2012 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is simply not a big issue in the UK, in a list of the top 10 issues it would come 18-20.
When it does come up it is still an emotive issue, no British gov or PM could behave any differently to Cameron. Who has the support of all major political parties including the opposition on this issue.
This is not manuvering by the British gov this is a real position, the British genuinly do not believe Argentina has any real claim to the Islands (as polite as I can put it), or that there is anything to negotiate
on sovereignty against the wishes of the Islanders.
The economic reality is Argentina needs las malvinas much more that the Falklands needs Argentina.
There is no mutualy acceptable compromise on the Islanders right to self determination.
http://www.defencemanagement.com/news_story.asp?id=18752
Feb 06th, 2012 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0britain to the UN .
45 briton
Feb 06th, 2012 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, she's having a baby!
While she was in hospital having her neck smoothed out they put a little plastic doll up her. Plastic Queen after all. :o)
The painful surprise for the “emotional crowd” would be when they find out that both the UK and Argentina may secretly in their hearts and ”pockets” need each other more than they might openly confess. So I say to you “Lawrences of the Falklands Islands”: with your bravado attitude and insistence in wrongly quoting history you will eventually find out that “this was not your finest hour.”
Feb 06th, 2012 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And it definitly was not argentinas finest decade, was it .
Feb 06th, 2012 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps not, but we learned; you haven't yet.
Feb 07th, 2012 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0we have nothing to learn, it is you that wants an empire not the british, they settled theirs years ago .
Feb 07th, 2012 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 060 briton
Feb 07th, 2012 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine Empire 10 x larger than Britain and wanting to expand. I'd say that's an Empire.
The Argentines are not a real nation, their country has only existed for about 175 years. Most Argentines trace their family history to Italy, Spain, Germany and the British Isles. The only real Argentines are the Amerindians and their nation is the entire continent of America.
The Argentines I know have Italian mothers, English father, Spanish grandfathers, German grandmothers, Welsh great great uncles. It's technically impossible to claim Argentines are a nation.
They also have the most comically fascist like government on the entire continent. Their entire policy agenda revolves around a group of islands they work 24/7 to alienate the population of. While spreading lies and peddling rants about “the British” that make Mugabe look normal by comparison.
Latin Americans find Argentina an alien culture, its a colonial relic, a piece of Europe transplanted onto a continent thousands of miles away. The culture is Latin European, with a touch of English and Welsh. It certainly bears no resemblance to its neighbors in Paraguay, Bolivia, Venezuela, or Peru.
Even the Argentine honour guards wear colonial uniforms copied from the British and Spanish Imperial era.
They are a throwback to another age. An age of fascism.
Briton, my “emotional stereotypical historian” friend, you suffer of an oversimplified standardized image of what and who – what you call “the argies” - really are. Again, let us talk about the issues; if you insist in your emotional and no-so-subtle propaganda as part of a psychological warfare: (misinforming the reality in Argentina and its policies), you will eventually find out that “this was not your finest hour.”
Feb 07th, 2012 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hugo Chavez, the socialist president of Venezuela, has said “Venezuelan troops would fight alongside Argentina in any future conflict over the Falkland Islands.”
Feb 07th, 2012 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The statement was made by Chavez during a meeting of the eight member states of the Bolivian Alliance (ALBA) when they met to “approve an agreement barring any boats flying Falkland Islands flags from docking in their ports.”
http://www.hmforces.co.uk/armed_forces_news/articles/10273-venezuelan-president-we-will-fight-with-argentina-over-the-falklands
when will it stop
when will you learn
.
My dear Britons, you should learn from your ancestor. When they saw what was going on across the Channel (1783 French revolution) they envisioned what was coming next to their shores and closed ranks internally. (You should do the same again: just look across the Channel and stay home.)
Feb 08th, 2012 - 01:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Britannia attempted to set foot in Buenos Aires; in early 1800 two invasions led by Beresford and Whitelocke were defeated. Yet in 1833 you ancestors managed to settle the Malvinas islands with what you used to call kelpers in Malvinas (today called “islanders” because of the pejorative meaning of the word) and expelled and imprisoned the local inhabitants loyal to the new government in Buenos Aires.
Since the kelpers, were generally of British origin and spoke the English Language, it is not a solid argument to mak it is not surprising to anybody today that they consider themselves loyal to the UK.
Then came the era of “Splendid Isolationism” where “Britannia ruled the waves” until WWI: The UK’s Geo-strategy supported by militarism, industrialism, evolved into Colonialism in Asia and Africa.
But everything that goes up eventually must come down, WWI and WWII with the cost of lives and economic resources eventually put restrictions to the dream, and thus ended the Empire where “the Sun never sets” … and with it the end of colonialism and empire.
So remember my dear friends: Look across the Channel, take care of your domestic problems and stay home.
Cordially, your argie friend.
51 Teaboy2--I have just watched the BBC news at 3.07 am I am up because I can’t sleep and for the first time since the Argentine Government upped its claim on our Falkland's we have had more than 5 min of air time on the subject and that is because the daft old bitch has now come out and said that she is formally asking the UN to get involved. The BBC then asked a member of the Falkland’s Government in Stanley what he thought of it all. He turned around and said that he welcomed her stance to go to the UN as the UN charter said that people have the right to make up their own minds who they want to be.
Feb 08th, 2012 - 03:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0God help Argentina if they have for a President as thick as this bitch, no wonder they are broke and in trouble the people who elected the bitch deserver her. What a bunch of Muppet.
Britishbulldog. Control your emotions so you can sleep well ... and stay home.
Feb 08th, 2012 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My dear Britons, you should learn from your ancestor. When they saw what was going on across the Channel ////
Feb 08th, 2012 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0belive me we are trying to get out of europe, and we will,
@66nyaria2000,
Feb 09th, 2012 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0We ARE home & we still don't want anything to do with you.
There is NOTHING to negotiate.
You were lying in post#64 , so l cannot trust anything that you say.
The trespassing garrison was ejected & rightly so.
The civilians stayed & their blood, much diluted by later British emigration, runs trough the veins of the present Falklanders.
Please do not post anymore lies on this subject.
Gracias
68
Feb 09th, 2012 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Isolde,Why are you so emotional?
How and where is Tristan, occupying somebody's home as a good Viking must do? I wouldn't expect something more intelligent from him.
Tell him that the XIX century is OVER! Negotiations is the way of the XXI century. Otherwise, “this will NOT be the finest hour” Oh, I almost forgot: You should keep your eyes on what is going on across the Channel. And by the way: if you are an inhabitant of Malvinas, ask the more than 500,000 Argentine citizens of British descent (3 of them have been Presidents of Argentina) how baddd the Argies are:)
Love, negotiations, and peace.
Cordially, your Argie friend
no talky
Feb 09th, 2012 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0no walky
they are not your
and never will be
and argentina has just made her biggest error yet .
@69nyaria2000,
Feb 10th, 2012 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not emotional, just don't like liars.
As briton says:-
no talky
no walky
they are not yours
and never will be.
My dear and dear Briton and Isolde, it seems to me that you both have run out of your weekly propaganda psychological speech. Well, you must rest well, protect your head from the cold weather, control your emotions (as a good and proper Brit MUST), and think, think, and think this week-end.
Feb 10th, 2012 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Best regard from your Argie friend:o]
we will think
Feb 10th, 2012 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and the islands will remain british
now thats a good thought, is it not .
@72 nyaria2000,
Feb 10th, 2012 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just for you.
Something for you to think about, this weekend.
“There will be NO NEGOTIATIONS ABOUT SOVEREIGNTY”
Have a great weekend.♥
what's up the heart symbol I .... is annoying me already! :-))))
Feb 10th, 2012 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 073 briton (#)
Feb 10th, 2012 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is more a dream than a thought.
Best regards
74 lsolde (#)
OK. I'm so sorry you didn't THINK long enough. But the heart touched my heart:o}
The best to you.
@74 & @ 76
Feb 10th, 2012 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are these two chicks are having a moment or is just my impression? :-)))
by april the 1st, she will declare that it was justa joka,
Feb 10th, 2012 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and use it as a get out clause.
@77
Feb 10th, 2012 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Artillero, recuerda y no lo olvides nunca:
“Love thy enemy”
... and NEVER forget it!
@75Artillero601,
Feb 11th, 2012 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Didn't know that nyaria2000 was a female. Oh well doesn't matter.
She's still wrong. The Falklands are OURS, not her country's.
That much is certain.
As for the heart symbol, l just randomly posted it as the mood took me.
No particular significance.
yes, she is right, Jesus tells us to love our enemies. Bit hard at times, especially when they are in the wrong.
As an atheist I do not have to worry about any of that.
Feb 11th, 2012 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0AND I NEVER TURN THE OTHER CHEEK.
80 lsolde (#)
Feb 11th, 2012 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, Isolde, Isolde! Surprise ... I'm a MALE:o) So your heart still touches my heart.
Love, negotiations and PEACE. ... and say Hi to Tristan
Yours truly
and 81 ChrisR (#)
with that name ... an Atheist?!?
82 nyaria2000
Feb 11th, 2012 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well spotted. Until I was about 14 or 15 I was the head server at the CoE 'High' Church (yes, it was a pseudo RC one without allegiance to the Pope) and then I started to study science seriously and grew up.
I make no apologies that if I could press a button and remove religion from society (without killing anyone unlike the muslims) then I would AND the world would be better off because of it.
Just look at how many have died over the centuries over a myth.
That is not to say I do not have some of the core elements of christianity to help me relate to people. I am told that I am a very nice guy but that is only until someone hurts a member of my family: and then things change. :o)
83 ChrisR (#)
Feb 11th, 2012 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have made a sweeping statement: “I make no apologies that if I could press a button and remove religion from society (without killing anyone unlike the Muslims) then I would AND the world would be better off because of it.”
As you seem to be familiar with wars, you must also recognize that the political systems that precipitated and participated in the events of WWI, the Russian Revolution and the Stalinist Purges in the USSR, Nazism, and WWII were not led by an organized religion. Each regime or political system had already decided to “remove religion from society” and establish “their version of a new world order” that they ALL proclaimed to be the best for humanity.
Yet together they managed to KILL over 100 million humans in just 32 years (from 1914 to 1945); and that is not counting the wounded and mutilated for life. I didn’t see these events the “Religious Brigades” have you?
Today we can see the same discourse again: “We are better than thou.” And so on and so forth.
With Best Regards
84 nyaria2000
Feb 11th, 2012 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Religions are at best 'cults', what else can they be as they are not based on fact but belief? In my judgement cults and religions are completely interchangeable.
I do not know how you think of Nazism but it certainly was a belief system albeit a warped one of the Ayrian Nations being superior to any other.
Is not Roman Catholicism 'the one true faith' unless you ask the muslims who will kill you if you question their faith?
The Russian Revolution was succeeded by a Marxist-Leninist belief system, again a warped one.
Stalin of course was a psychopath, the only thing he ever believed in was himself. That one I must concede had nothing to do with a cult or religion.
Muslisms are the biggest threat to the people of the world today. The rise they now have from late medieval suppression (they knew something who did that) is infiltrating all the western world. I understand even Argentina fell foul of it? Was it a president who was a closet muslim, or am I mistaken?
Their creed is a very simple one to understand: join us and welcome 'brother' or resist us and die 'infidel'. A stark choice, even for an atheist.
The one common thing throughout history that religious bigots of all stripes, including muslims have is 'God / Allah is on OUR side. How do you square that one?
Do you not see the stark choice facing the Falklanders (there are no Malvinas) as dictated by Argentina is in a similar vein to all the other bigots. Join us or leave your homeland.
With the kindest of regards.
@82nyaria2000,
Feb 12th, 2012 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well thats nice for you.♥♥♥♥
85 ChrisR (#)
Feb 12th, 2012 - 03:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0The material destruct ions and the staggering number of 100 million people killed in just 32 years in the XX century can't be blamed to Christianity, Islam, or Judaism. Those who started the wars, mass killings, the use of weapons of mass destruction, concentration camps, etc. were not representing ANY religion. They represented intolerance and GREED.
Your Argie friend
87 nyaria2000
Feb 12th, 2012 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I apologise if I have not got my point over properly for you to understand.
Religions were the real warmongers in the past. 'Ours is the true faith' has caused more deaths than anyting else. Do you not see that if the 'Christians' of the crusades had nuclear weapons then the deaths would have been higher. They were stupid European christians and the muslims were no better.
Radical muslims today are EXACTLY the same as the idiots of the middle ages. Their ONLY aim is to see Islam spread throughout the entire world or death to ALL infidels.
The USA are among the worst bible-bashers that there are. They are even teaching creationism in some southern schools 'for God's sake'. :o)
'They represented intolerance and GREED.' you write in the final sentance.
Some of the Falklanders (there are no Malvinas) here could say the exactly the same thing about Argentina and there would at least be something tangible in that.
Peace be with you. Achieving that does not rely on religion for peoples who want to get on together.
88 ChrisR
Feb 12th, 2012 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Religions are based on FAITH not just beliefs.
I noticed how you are avoiding answering my question:
What does religion have to do with the killing of 100 million people killed in 32 years (1914-1946)?
Please stay in the XX and XXI centuries so we can link this exchange of ideas to the issue of sovereignty over Malvinas. (We could go back to religious history later on - which I find it as one the most interesting topics)
Best regards
Where are these malvinas that you talk about my Argie friend?
Feb 13th, 2012 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0l can't find them on any map.
89 nyaria2000
Feb 13th, 2012 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have aready answered it:
In my judgement cults and religions are completely interchangeable.
I do not know how you think of Nazism but it certainly was a belief system albeit a warped one of the Ayrian Nations being superior to any other.
Is not Roman Catholicism 'the one true faith' unless you ask the muslims who will kill you if you question their faith?
The Russian Revolution was succeeded by a Marxist-Leninist belief system, again a warped one. All these religions / cults were involved in one way or another in the 20th century wars.
Belief:
1.An acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.
2.Something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion or conviction.
Faith:
1.Complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
2.Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
Cult:
1.A system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
2.A relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.
Are not points 2 in all three definitions the same?
Also the USA came into both world wars through no small part due to the various religions putting pressure on the government, but the attack on Pearl Harbour clinched it against the Japanese. “In God We Trust” is trotted out by the Americans to support all sorts of personal abuses.
I prefer the one used in shops and businesses: 'IGWT but everbody else has to pay cash'. Seems a little more practical to me.
And, don't forget, as I said befoe “God is ALWAYS on their side” whichever side that is.
With the kindest of regards.
To my British friends!
Feb 13th, 2012 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just few days ago, Roberta Jacobson, the Adjunct Under-Secretary of State for Latin America, had already ratified the position of the White House on Malvinas when she was consulted in Lima, Peru. But after her meeting in Buenos Aires with the Minister of Foreign Relations from Argentina, Hector Timerman, she did not speak in public.
Who did it in Washington was the spokeswoman for the Department of State, Victoria Nuland who insisted that: “the position has not changed.” “It is a bilateral issue that should be spoken directly between Britain and Argentina and that is what we are encouraging.” If there were doubts, Nuland stressed: “We encourage Argentina and Britain to resolve this in a peaceful manner through negotiations.”
Would the gentleman from 10 Downing Street care to refute or interpret for us Argies this statement?
Thanks
?
Feb 13th, 2012 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you shocked Briton?
Feb 13th, 2012 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0nope,
Feb 13th, 2012 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but look at this
http://www.danentwisle.com/blog/?p=58
interesting read.
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