Wednesday, February 8th 2012 - 01:19 UTC

Argentina will accuse UK of South Atlantic and Malvinas militarization before UN

In a much expected speech President Cristina Fernandez announced a further escalation of the Falklands/Malvinas sovereignty diplomatic dispute with the UK including formal ‘militarization’ complaints before the United Nations, a personal attendance with a delegation from all parties next June 14 to the UN decolonization committee and called on PM David Cameron to “give peace a chance”

The Argentine president also called on PM Cameron “to give peace a chance”

The Tuesday evening speech on national television and before a packed Casa Rosada started with the reading of the decree that declassifies the Rattenbach report on the Falklands/Malvinas conflict which was ordered by the military Junta following the June 1982 defeat.

The report by the respected General Benjamin Rattenbach never saw public light in its original version since it was amended and deleted to lessen responsibilities of the generals, admirals and brigadiers involved in the invasion. Cristina Fernandez announced a committee will report to the president in thirty days to ensure there is no harming information for national security and then it will be made fully public.

“This will show that the full responsibility of the military adventure was a spurious military Junta, not the Argentine people; the Junta was the war monger, not the people in spite of circumstantial support for the events of 1982”, said the Argentine president, who emphasized the Malvinas cause is no longer only Argentine, “it has become a continental cause, a South American cause”.

This will show those who beat the war drums that the Argentine people, the 40 million Argentines, as a sovereign nation and in democracy have decided to claim the Malvinas Islands through peaceful and diplomatic means.

Following Cristina Fernandez announced Argentina would be filing a formal complaint before the United Nations General Assembly and Security Council over the militarization of the South Atlantic.

The complaints come in response to the recent announced deployment of a super state of the art ‘destroyer’ and the arrival of Prince Williams, heir of the British throne in a military uniform, “whom we would have preferred to see in civilian attire”.

“We will present a complaint to the UN Security Council and the UN General Assembly, as this militarization poses a grave danger to international security” she said adding that “we cannot interpret in any other way the deployment of an ultra-modern destroyer accompanying the heir to the throne, who we would prefer to see in civilian attire.”

The Argentine president made the announcements in a ceremony surrounded by Vice-President Amado Boudou, Cabinet Chief Juan Manuel Abal Medina, ministers, top officials and opposition members as well as umbrella union boss Hugo Moyano, Malvinas wars veterans and human rights activists.

Cristina Fernandez then recalled that next January (2013) will the 180th anniversary of the expulsion from the Malvinas by the British of a settlement of Argentines, including a gaucho by the name of Riveros, who back in the continent was involved in several important battles for the unification of Argentina.

And to press this point CFK announced she would be presenting, together with a delegation from the whole political spectrum, before the UN Decolonization Committee next June 14, Argentina’s case in support of sovereignty over the Malvinas Islands.

Finally she urged British Prime Minister David Cameron “to give peace a chance” and engage in bilateral discussions about the future of the Malvinas Islands as mandated by the UN.

“I would like to ask British Prime Minister David Cameron to give peace a chance,” she said. “Don't expect us to deal with this outside of politics or diplomacy. It's not going to happen. We've suffered too much. We don't like weapons or war,” she added.

On a more domestic issue, the Argentine president said a Malvinas Veterans hospital for the mentally ill because of the consequences of war will be inaugurated in a former military compound.

“Veterans have been asking for this for almost thirty years, in the meantime over 400 veterans committed suicide; let’s hope this hospital will give them the medical attention and care to those who offered their lives: honour and glory to them”.

 

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1 Lord Ton (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 01:35 am Report abuse
They don't like our new toy

falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/02/08/argentina-to-protest-to-the-un-again/
2 dreyfoss (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 01:37 am Report abuse
Rather ominous that the British Royal Navy is advertising for new recruits on the front page of this Mercosur site.....
3 Tommy (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 01:38 am Report abuse
What a load a cods wallop.

Same old, same old. She is so ugly.
4 Viscount Falkland (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 01:40 am Report abuse
180th anniversary of the expulsion from the Malvinas by the British of a settlement of Argentines.
Wrong.Wrong Wrong.This is the whole goddam problem.Altering the history and its the Falkland Islands,The Malvinas DO NOT exist except in the imagination of the Argentinian Government. The Falklands were British before Lord Nelson was a Midshipman !
5 you are not first (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 01:41 am Report abuse
I am sorry who do not understand Spanish(It takes brain to be bilungual).

Is she the best leader that Argentina had? No REALLY. Argentina is a young nation with a lot of problems.

At least she is trying to solve a conflict in peace. In this posting, many people would love to start a war again. How about the Islanders?

This is like the US. 1% of low class individuals are sent to war by a great majority who is eating like pigs and watch TV ALL DAY LONG.

IT IS SO EASY THE WAR WITH A TEA CUP IN YOUR HAND!!!

Let's see if Cameron has the brain to stop a war that he has begun already by not showing responsibilities as a UN member

May be he also wants to create his own
Europe.

Please, do not forget that EU is trying very hard to sign a economic trade with Mercosur by the end of 2012. China, India, and Japan are in already.
How is England going to be included? Perhaps by using nuclear submarine...

How to say that I laugh at many of the posting here too.
6 Frank (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 01:41 am Report abuse
Give peace a chance? How about just give she just gives us some peace and stfu......
If she was a dog you would have her de-barked.... oh she is a dog isn't she....
7 AndyMac (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 01:45 am Report abuse
Give peace a chance?

Sounds like a warning!

And exactly who invade the Falklands in 1982, claims the Falklands, constantly harasses Falkland shipping, bans Falkland shipping, lies about the Falkland Islands around the world using all departments of government and the military, insults Falkland islanders and threatens our very existence?

Militarisation? Ya got that right, the tramp!
8 Helber Galarga (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 01:49 am Report abuse
When the dogs bark, it is because it's working said Don Quixote
9 Colonel (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 01:50 am Report abuse
Argentina talking about peace!! when they are harrassing the small neighbord Uruguay.
10 Lord Ton (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 01:51 am Report abuse
2007 – January, the Washington Post reports that the Argentine Government has issued official complaints concerning the Falkland Islands at a rate of one per month during 2006.

falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/2000-2009/

:-)
11 dreyfoss (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:08 am Report abuse
Now even Chavez has declared war on Britain
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9063065/Hugo-Chavez-says-Venezuelan-troops-would-fight-with-Argentina-over-Falklands.html
12 Feathers McGraw (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:09 am Report abuse
ha ha ha ha ha loserrrrrrrrrrrrs

Is that all you've got? Whining about militarisation - maybe you should remember why the British military is here in the first place - BECAUSE OF ARGENTINA!

Give peace a chance - good idea - F O and leave the people of the Falklands to live in peace and prosperity. If you're lucky we'll give you some tips on the best way to run a country and you might learn something :-))
13 Malvinero1 (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:12 am Report abuse
When the dogs bark, it is because it's working said Don Quixote
That is rigth! Strange they show that useless surface ship...It took less than day to blow a type 42,with a $200000 rocket...
The brtis are soo stupid!!(at least 90% in this forum)
14 Karl101 (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:13 am Report abuse
Argentina talking about peace lol.

They cut up small fishing boats, they ban them from South American ports, they alienate the islanders, constantly ranting on and on and on about the malvinas. When is that clown going to grow up?
15 jayD (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:15 am Report abuse
Give peace a chance? lol

Argentina clearly doesn't live in the real world.
16 Malvinero1 (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:15 am Report abuse
Argentina talking about peace lol.

They cut up small fishing boats, they ban them from South American ports, they alienate the islanders, constantly ranting on and on and on about the malvinas. When is that clown going to grow up
AHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Who cares about the bankrupt uk!It is Finished!
17 ernvera (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:16 am Report abuse
Excellent CFK. Expose the bellicose rage of Cameron. Unmasks mental anachronism of these apes who run the Foreign Office.

Mmm...Can you smell it? Can you smell the fear? Smells like Hong Kong ... it seems you are alone in this one...

Volveremos Malvinas!!
18 mollymauk (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:18 am Report abuse
@10 ....Argentine Government has issued official complaints concerning the Falkland Islands at a rate of one per month during 2006

Yes, in marked contrast to the one official protest in 90 years between 1850 and the 1940's. They gave up their false sovereignty claim in law in 1850 with the Convention of settlement, that “settled the existing differences” between the countries and confirmed that “perfect friendship” between the countries had been restored. You can't just go changing your mind 40 or 90 years after a legal agreement.
19 Malvinero1 (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:19 am Report abuse
#17.That is rigth.And the good thing is It COST NOTHING to Argentina.Let the idiots brits play the monopoly game and loosing....
20 Feathers McGraw (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:21 am Report abuse
No fear at all f*ckwits - haven't you figured out we in the Falklands just don't care what the Argies think? You don't matter - you're insignificant - you're like the annoying spoilt brat of a kid in the garden next door that really needs a whack over the head with a cricket bat but isn't important enough to make it worth the effort to get up and do it.
21 Anti-Fascist (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:22 am Report abuse
Cristina Kirchner says Britain 'militarising' South Atlantic lol

Britain is demilitarised itself, our Army is the smallest it has been for 200 years, our Navy smallst for 200 years, Air Force smallest it has ever been. And we are “militarising the South Atlantic”! Yeh right!

Lets get this right, Britain 1,000 servcemen on Falklands, Argentina 60,000 troops in Argentina. Do the math! Who invade the Falklands in 1982? Who keeps threatening them?

Dream on. Argentine butch of Nazi's.
22 Malvinero1 (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:25 am Report abuse
Padre Mc Graw: No fear at all f*ckwits - haven't you figured out we in the Falklands just don't care what the Argies think? You don't matter - you're insignificant - you're like the annoying spoilt brat of a kid in the garden next door that really needs a whack over the head with a cricket bat but isn't important enough to make it worth the effort to get up and do it.
AHAHHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS!
23 dreyfoss (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:26 am Report abuse
@ malvinero
You are correct about the type 45 destroyer as it was designed a 'picket' ship to defend Britain's aircraft carriers. The type 45 has no offensive capability other than a deck gun.
There is already a cheap system using Drones to overwhelm the Type 45's defence mechanism which relies on 48 sea to air missiles and once those missiles have been fired the ship is essentially defenceless.
The Type 45 on patrol around the islands does not carry any anti-ship missiles which is rather strange and the helicopters the ship carries do not either - which is very odd.
24 Lord Ton (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:30 am Report abuse
Er - no, I don't think they are :-)
25 Malvinero1 (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:30 am Report abuse
Correct dreyfoss!After the excellent impact of the type 42,done very professionally by the Argentine NAvy,all the theories about surface ships had been trow away.Rockets guided by GPS,satellite,Drones,subs.Even the massive US carriers are sitting ducks with todays rockets....
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS!!
26 Karl101 (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:33 am Report abuse
16 Malvinero1

Luckily I don't live in the UK, I'm a Kiwi. But looking at the statistics your economy is a hell of a lot worse than Britain's, you could say Argentina is finished and that's why your going all out for the oil. Britain is doing comparatively well. Britain has been around longer than most countries in the world, she gave birth to most. I don't think they're finished. During WW2 Britain was in far more debt than today, we're talking trillions more.

Where do you live Malvero? Most Argies on here seem to live elsewhere.

BTW I've lived in the Falklands and spent time touring around Latin America and Argentina. And coming from someone who is divorced from either side, really Argentina doesn't have a leg to stand on. It's a clear cut case. Put all the pressure on them you like, it's not going to do anything but make your country look like Zimbabwe. Cristina Kirchner is giving Mugabe a run for his money. But then your economy is competing with Mugabe's for the worst in the world.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8DHO7XFVkI
27 Anti-Fascist (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:41 am Report abuse
Argentina “We come in peace - shoot to kill”

Britain “We are a peaceful nation, we don' like to offend anyone”

Argentina “Colonial power, pirates, militarisation, our islands, our oil, our, ours, ours, Malvinos, Malvinas”

Rest of the World - Argentina consigned to tray marked “Third World”
28 Malvinero1 (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:42 am Report abuse
Luckily I don't live in the UK, I'm a Kiwi. But looking at the statistics your economy is a hell of a lot worse than Britain's, you could say Argentina is finished and that's why your going all out for the oil. Britain is doing comparatively well. Britain has been around longer than most countries in the world, she gave birth to most. I don't think they're finished. During WW2 Britain was in far more debt than today, we're talking trillions more.

Ok Mr karl.You have your say,I have mine.
Jim Rogers the UK is FINISHED !!!!!!!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbLfje8_jgI
uk debt: Public 1 trilion,foreign debt 9 trillion.
Exclusive - UK oil and gas decline to halt as investment booms
www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/13/uk-energy-oil-gas-north-sea-idUKTRE80C0EH20120113
If uk will be smart,they will have solved,the oldest conflict(Malvinas) a long time ago...Just think,how incompetent is uk in enraging Argentina......
If you think they are tops,fine.My investment in Argentina,yields a 20% increase over last year...
29 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:43 am Report abuse
1 Lorton “They don't like our new toy”
Not really Roger, we just don't care about it, please send some more, it only helps our cause. On top of that American commanders decided the Royal Navy had nothing to contribute to the mission in the Persian Gulf, in a few words useless.

Great lesson of Cristina to the warmonger Brits, they can't handle the truth.
30 ernvera (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:45 am Report abuse
Is it true that you kelpers can't choose your policital authorities on the islands? Is it true that the Queen puts your governor by finger? It seems that you´re british citizens of a second class...

In 2014 will be the Scottish referendum for a self-determination to get away from yours bloody crown? It seems youre really alone...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKM3zpJETeY
31 Karl101 (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:50 am Report abuse
28 Malvinero1

There is a difference between getting your economic information from experts and from snake oil salesmen.
en.mercopress.com/2012/02/01/the-new-falklands-war

Argentina's inflation rate is not nearly as high today as it was 30 years ago, but it's still among the highest in the world. Buenos Aires has been doctoring inflation statistics and other economic figures, hoping to conceal the extent of the problem, but foreign investors haven't been fooled...

Argentina's Economic Collapse
www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH6_i8zuffs

Yes you have recovered from economic collapse but your economy is still pants and by most experts I've read it looks set to get a lot worse again.
32 Lord Ton (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:53 am Report abuse
MoreCrap - word from the MOD is that the Type 45 is capable of taking out every military aircraft in South America, at the same time :-)

And how's that support holding up ??

falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/02/08/falklands-other-views/

Forgot to ask - you visited that British Empire site lately?? :-)
33 AndyMac (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:56 am Report abuse
30 ernvera

No ernvera, we elect our government, we don't have a dynasty like you have in Argentina, or a soap opera like your politics are, or a bad economy. An average salary here is £50,000 pa.

The Queen doesn't select the Governor, the British government select him, his roll is to represent the islands in defence and foreign affairs.

We can not be independent because Argentina has militarised the South Atlantic and constantly threatens us, attacking our ships and our economy.

It is a shame Argentines are lied to every day and accept everything their media and their government tell them. It's a sign of a third world banana republic.
34 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 03:01 am Report abuse
32 Lorton
Of course

The British Empire

“Three years later, the British did formally leave the islands and they passed into the Spanish Empire for the next forty years. This arrangement was formally recognised by the British in the 1790 Nootka Sound Convention by which Britain formally rejected any colonial ambitions in 'South America and the islands adjacent'. It also reflected a weakening of British power in the Western Hemisphere coming shortly after the embarrassing loss of the 13 colonies partly thanks to French and Spanish intervention.

The Spanish claim on the islands would falter with the South American Wars for Independence at the start of the nineteenth century. The Spanish removed their formal representative and settlers from the island from 1810 and completed it by 1811. The islands were left to their own fate for the next decade as sealing and whaling ships might call in from time to time to take advantage of the harbour and fresh water. It was not to be until 1820 that the United Provinces of Rio de la Plata would send a frigate to the islands in order to assert their control as part of the legacy of post-colonial Spanish claims to authority there. Buenos Aires would appoint their first governor in 1823 who tried to limit the whole-scale slaughter of seals which were in danger of being made extinct on the islands. A penal colony was also established on the island”
35 Malvinero1 (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 03:03 am Report abuse
MoreCrap - word from the MOD is that the Type 45 is capable of taking out every military aircraft in South America, at the same time :-)

AHAHAHHAHAHHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
5 Exocet and it is finished!
Even the massive US carrrier,with a russian attack by MiG 35 and antiship missiles can not last long.
Fools!!
Yes you have recovered from economic collapse but your economy is still pants and by most experts I've read it looks set to get a lot worse again
Karl: You have to analyze why was the colapse! The colapse came from something that people with a little knowledge of economy and honsty,sayd would collapse since 1994!
The scheme (convertibility) was an inmoral cash cow for speculator.It was obvious,that in 1993,the scheme was going to collapse.The Natural resource index,is strongest in 150 years.Soybean,beef,milk,Gold,Cooper,Silver,Uranium,litium(Argentina is th e3 largest reserve of lithium).Sorry,I do not see any problem.Unfortunately,because I do not like CFK.
I am against politicians.I belong to groups,about 20-30% of the Argentine population,that think in the lines of a DIRECT DEMOCRACY,without the middle man.
Regards
36 Lord Ton (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 03:04 am Report abuse
Try again :-)

“ .. Spain also quit East Falkland in 1811, again as the result of revolting colonies, and again leaving a plaque proclaiming its sovereignty over East Falkland and Puerto Soledad. Europe as a whole also had its problems with Napoleon, tying up resources and breaking previous Treaties and understandings. Spain's dominions in South America reflected these changing alliances; resulting in conflict between the Provinces, some declaring for the Spanish Government, some for Ferdinand VII.

In 1816 a few of these Provinces came together, for a while at least, as the United Provinces, declared independence from Spain and conducted a fleeting war against it's old master via privateers. One such was Colonel Jewett who commanded the Heroina and who, in 1820, made a claim to the Falklands on behalf of the United Provinces. His authority to do so is obscure, and no Order has ever been discovered, but he made it anyway. When Jewett left, he failed to inform Buenos Aires of what he had done, and left nothing behind. Not even a plaque.

The Falkland Islands remained then uninhabited until 1826. Luis Vernet, a cattle dealer from Buenos Aires, attempted a settlement in 1823, but this failed to gain a toe-hold on the windswept islands. He tried again in 1826 with some limited success. In 1828 Vernet improved his position by gaining tax exemptions from Buenos Aires, and seeking British permission for his settlement,...”

www.britishempire.co.uk/maproom/falkland.htm
37 Fido Dido (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 03:10 am Report abuse
“warmonger Brits, they can't handle the truth”

No they can't, because reality hurts their eyes.
All warmonger “blowhard” brits here, never served, and find it so cool here to type tough infront of a computer in their mom's basement..(unemployment in the UK is really bad and getting worse, but let's not talk about that)

Cameron is proud at those tools. He needs them so his buddies (banksters) can keep robbing their future in front of their eyes while keep the same chumps jumping on their chairs for another conflict what they desperate need.

“The Queen doesn't select the Governor, the British government select him, his roll is to represent the islands in defence and foreign affairs.”

Seriously AndyMac, with such statements you only fool yourself. The Queen does select the Governor..INDIRECT.

“It is a shame Argentines are lied to every day and accept everything their media and their government tell them. It's a sign of a third world banana republic.”

Your own government, the UK, is lying to you, about the bailouts, printing money, why more cameras on the streets and in cabs is a must, in the name of security, the signing into law the ACTA bill created by the US (ACTA is SOPA and the US NDAA bill on steroids). It so much better to deny it, because reality will hurt your eyes.
38 ernvera (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 03:12 am Report abuse
AndyMac, please, it seems that you live in a bubble. We militarize the South Atlantic? Do not even have armed forces. That is the level of ignorance, isolation from reality and surrealism in which you are immersed. Realize that they are using you as a scapegoat. There´s something called Antártida you know?

And have a little more consideration with us, we built your first runway with our taxes, we do not charge taxes for your imports, and all our warnings not even effective. If we do not provide our ports, you die of hunger, cold and boredom. So more respect for your homeland, Argentina.
39 Lord Ton (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 03:14 am Report abuse
Fido (is that a dog's name) - the Legislative Assembly rule the Falklands, not the Governor.

Or are you suggesting that the Governor appointed by the Queen to Australia dictates their policy, or the Governor appointed by the Queen to New Zealand dicates their policy?

And the Queen only accepts the Government's 'suggestion' - she has no real choice in the matter.
40 Anti-Fascist (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 03:15 am Report abuse
29 Marcos Alejandro

A message to the Argentine War Mongers - we fought Napoleon and won, we fought the Kaiser and won, we fought the Nazi's and won, we fought the Fascists and won, we fought the Japs and won, we fought the Communists and won, we fought you and we won.

You can call us all the names under the sun. But you know who the real war mongers are. We've faced worse than CFK's rants! Your country has had more military leaders, than civilian leaders, your country invaded our islands, murdered our people, murdered your own people, dropped them in the Atlantic Ocean, you call them terrorists, their families call them sons and daughters, young people who wanted a better Argentina. An Argentina free from the war mongers like you Marcos Alejandro. You know what you are a disgusting vile product of a vile disease called nationalism. We've fought your type before and smashed them!

The only true Argentines are the ones who don't wrap themselves up in their flag and threaten and intimidate neighboring states, be they Chile, Paraguay, Uruguay or the Falklands.

The true Argentines don't explain their military's roll in the murder of tens of thousands of their own people by labeling the victims “terrorists”.

The true Argentines may not be as vocal as the raving lunatic Argentines who dress up in balaclavas and set fire to businesses, while the police watch them and do nothing, or rant on and on about the Falklands and how Kirchiner is so like Peron, its like going back in time to the 1930's!

But the true Argentines are the normal Argentines, the calm, intelligent, diplomatic and caring people who build nations, rather than rip them apart.

Their day will come and so will yours.
41 tobias (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 03:22 am Report abuse
@Anti-Fascist

Your country has had more dictatorial monarchs, than Prime Ministers.

Just saying :)
42 ernvera (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 03:28 am Report abuse
British, not allow a bloodthirsty fanatic and intimidating as Anti-Fascist represent you. “We beat Napoleon” so what?

We will recover our islands on a desk and without firing a shot. Something you apparently do not understand much, with your long history of racism and conquest, you hardly assimilate diplomacy without weapons and bullets.

But beware, this time we are not alone.
43 sara85 (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 03:35 am Report abuse
37 Fido

You have the same name as my pet dog.

No we elect our government here in the Falklands, unlike Argentina where it is inherited by family members, or taken by the military.

It was you who invaded us in 1982. Either you are all seriously deranged, something we tend to think you all are, or you are fully cognizant of who the military threats are coming from. Economic blockades are an act of war, harassment of shipping in international and national waters are also an act of war.

Threatening to land special forces armed and dressed up as fishermen is also an act of war.

I study political science but you don't have to be a rocket scientist to realise who is militarising the area.

All of you posting here know this. If you can log on a PC you have the intelligence to work out this basic piece of common sense. What you are are imperialists. Argentine neo imperialists, set on expanding Argentine living space for strategic reasons and natural resources.

Just as you find it impossible to tell the truth about the Falklands, you lie about how well meaning you are towards the people, while then claiming no one really lives here and we're either imported “colonists”, pirates or military.

If it wasn't so serious it would be laughable. We laugh every day about you people. Because you're so sad that you bring yourselves down to the level of the gutter, mobsters, with big guns and a lot of hate.

We're not Argentine, we never will be.

The Malvinas does not exist outside of the imagination of the Argentine government.
44 Malvinero1 (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 03:41 am Report abuse
inherited by family members, or taken by the military.

It was you who invaded us in 1982. Either you are all seriously deranged, something we tend to think you all are, or you are fully cognizant of who the military threats are coming from. Economic blockades are an act of war, harassment of shipping in international and national waters are also an act of war.

Really Sara? Just tell your boss to get a UNGA res condeming Argentina.So far was unsuccesfull.Next Argentina will take the case to the UN security council and uk will loose,as usual.Why the malvinenses are loosing at the c-24? I remind you,about your pathetic people at the C-24:Imploring ,not to pass the draft resolution”.
Argentina is NOT DOING anything illegal.Sorry,gal..
We're not Argentine, we never will be.

The Malvinas does not exist outside of the imagination of the Argentine government
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
No,malvinas exist in the mind of the Argentine people......
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS!!
Squatters!
45 Anti-Fascist (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 03:42 am Report abuse
42 ernvera

Get this into your thick Argtentine fascist skull! THE ONLY WAY YOU ARE GETTING HOLD OF THESE ISLANDS IS THROUGH THE BARREL OF A GUN.

We didn't fight all our enemies physically. We never fought the Soviets in a battle, we won them through defence, diplomacy, economics and reason.

Argentina needs to back off threatening the Falklands.

You can keep claiming to “come in peace” but we know your not coming in peace. You have your economic blockade and your military harassing our shipping in international waters. You are the aggressor state. It's well documented, so lieing about it ain't going to get you nowhere son.
46 sara85 (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 03:45 am Report abuse
44 Malvinero1

You've never had a resolution passed by the UN Security Council, the only resolutions passed by the UN Security Council were taken there by Britain and won by Britain.

Please take it to the Security Council. I'd love to see it go there. It will be amusing watching the debate.
47 Lord Ton (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 03:58 am Report abuse
Marv - you haven't managed a UN Resolution since 1988.

All dead now - so why don't you get a new one ??
48 ernvera (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 04:00 am Report abuse
Poor Sara, we note that you are spiteful and afraid of losing your home. Do not worry, we do not banish people as the British did with the gauchos who inhabited the islands before your great-grandparents. We respect the life and lifestyle of people. We are a democratic country, we vote our representatives (which unfortunately you have no right to do). And besides, I feel a little sorry for how they use them and lie to you. “Penguin News” “FI Company” and all those corporate lobbyists in the crown you have them hostage.

We have no armed forces, as would “militarize” the region? We are having an intelligent diplomatic policy, Cameron is worrying, and has no choice but to shake the specter of a war that will not exist. Is doing “populism,” a word that caused fear to Churchill.

We have done nothing that is not in our sovereign right, if we do not want to recognize a false flag will not. America does not recognize that fantasy. If we have control of our airspace, why would an act of war not to allow a colonial power flights pass over our skies?

And still you fail to understand that we are not interested at all your nationality. Our claim is territoritorial.

Anti-fascist

Your IQ is similar to that of a small ape. Instead of giving you an answer should give you a banana, please read a book once, they do not bite!
49 Malvinero1 (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 04:08 am Report abuse
You've never had a resolution passed by the UN Security Council, the only resolutions passed by the UN Security Council were taken there by Britain and won by Britain.

Please take it to the Security Council. I'd love to see it go there. It will be amusing watching the debate
Shows that yOU DO NOT EVEN read the article,so much your rage.Calm down girl.we are not like the brits,that they kicked our people in 1833,or the Chagosians in the '80,or were forcing people to trade drugs like the opium.
We will present a complaint to the UN Security Council and the UN General Assembly, as this militarization poses a grave danger to international security” she said adding that “we cannot interpret in any other way the deployment of an ultra-modern destroyer accompanying the heir to the throne, who we would prefer to see in civilian attire.”

I said,we will get a UN security council.
So far uk DID not get any UNGA res agains Argentina,not the C24,Mercosur or OAS.
The 502,DID NOT ALLOWED uk OR any country to use force.So was a breach(as usual of the resolution)Just read it a put it in your Sheep skull!
Squatter!
50 wanklord (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 04:09 am Report abuse
Definitively, Cristina needs to increment her dose of estrogen in order to lessen the unpleasing effects cause by the menopause.
51 Malvinero1 (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 04:13 am Report abuse
Definitively, Cristina needs to increment her dose of estrogen in order to lessen the unpleasing effects cause by the menopause.
I rather prefer her than that.....David Cameron is an idiot. A simpering, say-anything, dough-faced, preposterous waddling idiot with a feeble, insincere voice and an irritating tendency to squat near the top of opinion polls. I don't like him. And I've got a terrible feeling he'll be prime minister one day. Brrr

www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/apr/02/comment.conservatives
Regards
52 you are not first (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 04:22 am Report abuse
Lorton
“They don't like our new toy”
WARNING: CALL BACK TO YOUR THERAPIST. This is the time for your emotional support. Are are still playing with toys ?

Are you lacking a normal size by nature? Have you ever try mate, organic beef or just change your citizenship?

It may be too late, however you do not need to destroy the ONLY world you have.
You will find someone one day.
53 Lord Ton (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 04:32 am Report abuse
Marv - Britain has never asked for a Resolution, there's no need. We have the Charter on our side !

2nd - you are, of course, a juveline d*ck !
54 Malvinero1 (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 04:58 am Report abuse
Marv - Britain has never asked for a Resolution, there's no need. We have the Charter on our side !

2nd - you are, of course, a juveline d*ck !
Who cares,Imbecile,lordtrash,just get to gether with your idol:David Cameron 'a liar or an idiot’ to hire Andy Coulson
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/8305510/David-Cameron-a-liar-or-an-idiot-to-hire-Andy-Coulson.html
type 45....AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!
55 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 04:58 am Report abuse
The warmongers like Lorton and others were glued to the TV waiting for our president to close our air space for them, did not happen.
Remember, the person in charge is CFK calling the shots, Cameron and friends follows.
Cristina did a superb job.
56 Malvinero1 (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 05:00 am Report abuse
to close our air space for them, did not happen.
Remember, the person in charge is CFK calling the shots, Cameron and friends follows.
Cristina did a superb job.
Agree! She is smart.....lordy is a dumb liar!Too bad.....He wanted to use the type 45.....AHAHAHHAHHAHAH
Un abrazo!
57 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 05:01 am Report abuse
The warmongers like Lorton and others were glued to the TV waiting for our president to close our air space for them, did not happen.
Remember, the person in charge is CFK calling the shots, Cameron and friends follows.
Cristina did a superb job.
58 ernvera (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 05:14 am Report abuse
betd.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/argentina-inglaterra.jpg
59 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 05:17 am Report abuse
Oooops my comment was posted twice.
Un abrazo Malvinero1.

”It is an anachronism that in the 21st Century that there are still colonies: there are only 16 cases (of colonisation) in the whole world, 10 of them are English.”

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/argentinas-president-will-complain-to-un-about-warship-6661018.html
60 Lord Ton (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 06:26 am Report abuse
Seems to me that -

a) Cristina couldn't deny the existence of a blockade, and then announce that the LAN Chile flight was barred from Argentine airspace

b) Chile had told her they'd go around and make her look stupid!
61 Xect (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 07:46 am Report abuse
There are some truly crazy Argentine posters on here. How can they keep saying 'the UK is finished' when we are the one with the stable economy and the highest credit rating in the world then compared to Argentina running with inflation at over 25% which we all know is truly disastrous and unsustainable not to mention the default in 2001.

I do find these posts truly puzzling when they go against every solid fact out there and I also find them somewhat silly given any argument the Argentine poster could of had is then destroyed by what we know are pure lies. The facts are the facts and saying otherwise doesn't change that.

To be fair the Argentine posters can gain a lot more credibility by not trying to tell what are complete lies and focusing on the subject in hand.

There is a reason the UK is building one billion pound plus warships and above (the new carriers and astute class) and why the Argentine military can't even afford to keep its existing fleet up to date.

Its such uncalled for posting and such shameful posting that weakens the argument Argentina has and this is no different to them calling us pirates, thiefs and other such names.

If you are to be taken seriously you need to stop with the lies and deceit and you'll get much further.

Post 57 is a good example. CFK did a superb job, did she? What has she actually achieved other than to get the one of the biggest enemies of the US on her side? Honestly Argentina really could of done without Chavez opening his month and spewing out more nonsense, this again weakens the Argentine argument.

It's a bit like the ALBA group who were linked to supporting the Russian and Chinese veto at the UN over the innocent massacre of the Syrian people and Chavez went on to call the veto 'very positive' which is outstanding given it allows more killing of the innocent. By Argentina having support from the people weakens its own position.
62 Be serious (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 08:45 am Report abuse
Nice statement Turkey Neck.
My Rockhopper shares have soared even higher!
Could you make another important decision next week please?
63 Viscount Falkland (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 08:57 am Report abuse
Old South American saying.......The Mexicans decended from the Aztecs,The Peruvian's decended from the Inca's , The Argentinians decended from the boats !
64 Room101 (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 09:05 am Report abuse
The military presence in the Falklands is at the request of the Islanders themselves, who do not want to be attacked by Argentina or anyone else, and wish to protect the right of self-determination, which is endorsed by the UN and to which Argentina was a signatory. If Argentina cannot abide by its word, it should leave the UN.
The efforts of the President of Argentina to keep this issue alive are not stemming from any rightous claim but from a bid to consolidate her government's failings on the economy.
The Islanders position is inviolate: the UN would destroy the core of its structure if it were to ignore the right to self-determination.
Argentina's President, by presenting the issue before the UN, has strengthened the resolve of the Islanders and increased the value of their voice around the world.
65 JustinKuntz (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 09:13 am Report abuse
BTW Was that it?

This great announcement was they were making a spurious complaint to the UN?

4 Typhoons
1 Destroyer
1000 troops

v

42 Ships
243 Aircraft
70,000 Troops

Mmmm?
66 LegionNi (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 09:25 am Report abuse
I read the article yesterday stating that the Argentine President was going to be giving a speech where an announcment would be made and was wondering if anything new would be said.

Turns out no, nothing new.

Not really sure how sending a destroyer to replace a frigate on routine patrol is militarising the situation? Argentina patrols its territorial waters and Britain has every right under international law to do the same.
67 Britishbulldog (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 09:39 am Report abuse
28 Malvinero1 (#)------I seem to remember this Rogers fellow saying the UK was finished, funny though we are still here and building expensive warships that could batter your puny little corrupt broke country if you step out of line, and make no mistake you will one day because like all silly little country's that think themselves better than their masters(that's us by the way) you will not resist the urge to once more attack the peaceful people on the Falkland's Islands. It’s in your genes you won’t be able to help it. Do you want to know what the people of the UK REALLY THINK OF YOUR PUNY CORRUPT COUNTRY? Well they laugh at your antics, they snigger at your silly bitch of a President and to be quite honest they don't give a dam if the lot of you went down with the plague and died.

While your country makes a big deal of Falkland's in the news and on television, we get just a few moments late at night about 5 min to be quite honest, you see we don't give a dam what you say or what you do because we know we have right on our side. Isn't it funny how you keep telling yourselves that the UK IS FINISHED but there we are a small little country that keeps on going no matter what adversary’s come our way, and there goes Argentina a large country living in squalor with inflation rampant. Perhaps it’s now time for the UK TO COME AND SHOW YOU HOW TO RUN A COUNTRY. Keep up the rhetoric and make the mistake that I would like you to make and we will this time run out the Union Flag in your Capital, with the help of course of all those country's that you think are on your side but cant wait to stab you in the back.
68 windy (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 09:56 am Report abuse
Just a straw poll but i was out with 4 british born people in Buenos Aires the other week and not one of them felt Britain had any claim what so ever to the Malvinas. They found it to be laughable given the distance between the islands and England.
69 Teaboy2 (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 09:56 am Report abuse
What makes me laugh here is that they actually believe a formal complaint to the UN will accompish something. They clearly forget how they are in breach of the core founding principle of the UN (self determination of all people, which settled the Kosovo isssue) not to mention the UN decolonisation committee being...Well basically powerless and of no political importance at all.

What on earth do they expect to receive as a result of their complaint? Sanctions against the UK? They seem to forget that we have the rather handy Veto, which would be used in any security cancel resolutions that are against the UK's interests.

As for giving peace a chance, well thats rich coming from a nation where there is videographic evidence (which Falkland islands should use at the UN in formal protest against argentina) of argentina deliberatly exploiting their children by indoctrinateding then.
70 Rhaurie-Craughwell (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 10:04 am Report abuse
Well all that hype from Argie bloggers here with wild theories that she was going to ban LAN and that an Argentine taskforce was on the way......Nothing much really happened did it?

Once again CFK is performing illusions for the benefit of the Argentine people... pretending that she is doing something :)
71 Viscount Falkland (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 10:06 am Report abuse
Thankyou for your input Teaboy,Its always accurate and always welcome !
72 stick up your junta (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 10:36 am Report abuse
They found it to be laughable given the distance between the islands and England.

This one never fails to get me a laugh

Isla Martín García is an Argentine island off the Río de la Plata coast of Uruguay. The Argentine exclave island is within the boundaries of Uruguayan waters
73 Malvinero1 (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 11:08 am Report abuse
While your country makes a big deal of Falkland's in the news and on television, we get just a few moments late at night about 5 min to be quite honest, you see we don't give a dam what you say or what you do because we know we have right on our side. Isn't it funny how you keep telling yourselves that the UK IS FINISHED but there we are a small little country that keeps on going no matter what adversary’s come our way, and there goes Argentina a large country living in squalor with inflation rampant. Perhaps it’s now time for the UK TO COME AND SHOW YOU HOW TO RUN A COUNTRY. Keep up the rhetoric and make the mistake that I would like you to make and we will this time run out the Union Flag in your Capital, with the help of course of all those country's that you think are on your side but cant wait to stab you in the back.
No thanks.Buenos Aires subway are cleaner than london subs....
I do not want the brits to run my life....
74 El Gaucho Rivero (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 11:14 am Report abuse
@ 72 stick

Oh no, don't bring up that Martin Gracia sh't again, there's an agreement signed by both countries AR and UY, they gave us the Martin Garcia Island and we gave them the Juncal Island, so STFU

And on top of that, we don't have a military base there, it's just a natural sanctuary where we keep our flora and fauna, so that's the second STFU

El art. 45 del tratado señala: la Isla Martín García será destinada exclusivamente a reserva natural para la conservación y preservación de la fauna y flora autóctonas, bajo jurisdicción de la República Argentina

So long sticky teeth

@70 Rhaurie-Craughwel

Every decent Argetine knew the LAN flights would not be called off, our ambassador in Chile said that himself.
75 Nightingale (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 11:14 am Report abuse
LOOOL. After all that anticicpation she comes out with nothing... I know a few argies that though her speech would sweep them into power in the Falklands.. I bet they feel deflated today... Going to the UN.. They dont even want to stop slaughter in Syria let alone sort out a squabble over some small islands they have never heard of..... pffffffffffffffffffffffft :)))
76 Kendo (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 11:30 am Report abuse
am new here, joined because am sick of the fact there Argentinian just posting non sense here, not one has brought up a decent debate or posted facts or said why the Falkland Islands would be better under there control, they just seem to like shouting down at people and being hateful with no posting of reason or argument, so am going to post one link to a nice old video related to this whole thing and leave it at that, i also have noted, there so conditioned it seems they have to attack any post made saying that there wrong, also....the comments of the British empire is 50 years out of date.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdxvedxPhNU
77 Rhaurie-Craughwell (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 11:38 am Report abuse
73. Malvinarse

I do not want the brits to run my life....

Good then you will of course understand perfectly why the Islanders and the UK are telling Argentina hands off :).........Hypocrite!
78 M_of_FI (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 11:39 am Report abuse
So wait...she wants to put Argentina's case forward over the Falklands to the Decolonisation Committee and she demands bilateral talks with Britain....she seems to have forgotten the Falkland Islanders views and input...this seems incredibly ironic and hypocritical to me...we want to decolonise the Falklands, but the people who live there cannot have their say and we will ignore their wishes and then we will take control of them if they like it or not....it is just part of the illogical argument from the Argentines.

And militarise the South Atlantic? Where are Argentina's Navy? South Atlantic I am sure. They harrass Falkland fishing vessels too. And I wonder why British military forces are in the Falklands....something must have happened very recently for them to be there...something to do with Argentina invading the Falklands about 30 years ago...

But it is great to see Argentines lap her rubbish up. Just proves how dim they are.
79 RubberDuckUK (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 12:14 pm Report abuse
Remember when Doctor Who tells the aliens that the Earth is defended and not to come back (The Xmas Special 2011) :

“make sure that you tell them this: it is defended!”.

LOL. Substitute Earth with Falklands!
80 Raul (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 12:21 pm Report abuse
78 M_of_FI

Our strength is peace not war. Read Resolucuin UN.

Resolution 2065 (XX)
The General Assembly, Having considered the question of the Malvinas Islands (Falkland Islands), Taking into account the chapters of the reports of the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples concerning the Malvinas (Falkland Islands) and in particular the conclusions and recommen ¬ dations adopted by it relating to that Terri ¬ tory, whereas its resolution 1514 (XV) of December 14, 1960, was inspired by the desired purpose of putting an end to colonialism everywhere and in all its forms, one of which fits the case of the Malvinas (Falkland Islands).
(THE FOLLOWING IS CRITICAL)
Noting the existence of a dispute between the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland concerning sovereignty over these islands. (IS RECOGNIZED THE PRINCIPLE OF SELF-DETERMINATION ON TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY OF THE EXISTENCE OF SOVEREIGNTY a conflict is. Bone No self-determination).
1. Invites the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to pursue without delay the negotiations recommended by the Special Committee to examine the situa ¬ tion with respect to the implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples to find a peaceful solution to the problem, with due regard to the provi ¬ tions and objectives of the United Nations Charter ¬ das and resolution 1514 (XV) of the General Assembly and the interests of the people of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas);
2. Calls on both Governments to inform the Special Committee and the General Assembly at the twenty-first session on the outcome of the negotia ¬ tions.
December 16, 1965.

Do not be afraid to debate and negotiation to resolve conflicts.
81 Idlehands (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 12:27 pm Report abuse
Somebody should tell the beloved Cristina that if you don't shoot at HMS Dauntless then it's just another benign ship on the high seas.

I thought that with all the build up to this “announcement” that there'd be more to it than this piffle.
82 Papamoa (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 12:33 pm Report abuse
So CFK is going to make a complaint to the UN, this is NOT News as argentina does this several times a year and it will have the same impact ZERO!!!!!

Long Live the Falklands.

Down with argentine Colonialism.
83 Lageraemia (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 12:35 pm Report abuse
I wish that the strange looking woman would make more speeches.

I open a nice little Spreadbet long on Rockhopper yesterday at 4pm.........now I'm in the money.

Maybe I'll by a new cutlass or parrot.
84 Idlehands (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 12:35 pm Report abuse
Just a straw poll but i was out with 4 Argentine born people in London the other week and not one of them felt Argentina had any claim what so ever to the Falklands. They found it to be laughable given the 180 years it has been a British territory.

.....or did I just make that up?
85 Room101 (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 12:48 pm Report abuse
Gobbledegook of interpretation.
The UN aren't going to condemn the Islanders for having decided for themselves. It doesn't matter any more who has historical rights, because self-determination is today's enforceable law, enshrined in the UN Charter and as a natural development of a truly aspiring democracy. You can see the contrary happening around us, with some bloody consequences. Those nations that have never experienced democracy, and do not want it but fear it (especially if that nation is corrupt) cannot understand or agree with its advantages and rights. In such cases, negotiation with the opposite view will not work.
86 Raul (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 12:55 pm Report abuse
Our strength is peace not war.

Resolution 2065 (XX)
The General Assembly, Having considered the question of the Malvinas Islands (Falkland Islands), Taking into account the chapters of the reports of the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples concerning the Malvinas (Falkland Islands) and in particular the conclusions and recommen ¬ dations adopted by it relating to that Terri ¬ tory, whereas its resolution 1514 (XV) of December 14, 1960, was inspired by the desired purpose of putting an end to colonialism everywhere and in all its forms, one of which fits the case of the Malvinas (Falkland Islands).
(THE FOLLOWING IS CRITICAL)
Noting the existence of a dispute between the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland concerning sovereignty over these islands. (IS RECOGNIZED THE PRINCIPLE OF SELF-DETERMINATION ON TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY OF THE EXISTENCE OF SOVEREIGNTY a conflict is).
1. Invites the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to pursue without delay the negotiations recommended by the Special Committee to examine the situa ¬ tion with respect to the implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples to find a peaceful solution to the problem, with due regard to the provi ¬ tions and objectives of the United Nations Charter ¬ das and resolution 1514 (XV) of the General Assembly and the interests of the people of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas);
2. Calls on both Governments to inform the Special Committee and the General Assembly at the twenty-first session on the outcome of the negotia ¬ tions.
1398th. plenary meeting, 16 December 1965.
Do not be afraid to debate and negotiation to resolve conflicts.
With this way of challenging people, defending colonialism and imperialism, you will not ever win.
87 ynsere (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 01:15 pm Report abuse
As a reader of Uruguay's national daily El País noted this morning: if (former Uruguayan president Vázquez) asked the U.S. to help protect Uruguay from Argentina five years ago, the Falkland Islanders need UK protection all the more. Emails to this newspaper are running 90% against Argentina, and the prevailing feeling is: Argentine hypocrites! Uruguayans know them too well to be taken in.
88 Xect (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 01:25 pm Report abuse
Raul why post that?

It's a non-binding resolution that the UK is not obliged/obligated to open and chooses not too.

The UN has offered the UK the option of opening talks and the UK has politely declined, no resolution has been breached nor any rules broken.

There is nothing to discuss and opening talks would be absolutely futile given the UK is not willing to change its stance on the issue against the wishes of the people of the Falkland islands.

Argentina needs to respect our decision and move on because quiet clearly it is powerless to do anything else.
89 stick up your junta (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 01:32 pm Report abuse
Oh no, don't bring up that Martin Gracia sh't again, there's an agreement signed by both countries AR and UY, they gave us the Martin Garcia Island and we gave them the Juncal Island, so STFU

So you gave them a island that sinks,:-)))))))))

And Martin Garcia is in Uraguays waters no?

From a geological point of view, the island is a mass of riverine affluvient founded on a precambrian granite core. The coasts are sandy and feature gentle inclines near the channels. The island is low and flat, and can be completely submerged during high water. It has a total length of 4.91 km and a maximum width of 1.95 km.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juncal_Island
90 Lageraemia (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 01:33 pm Report abuse
Idlehands

Who gives a feck what your friends think?

If wanted to know the knee-jerk opinions of ill-informed half-wits, i'd be reading the cmoments on the Daily Mail website.

Proximity has nothing to do with anything.
91 Zethee (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 01:39 pm Report abuse
“The type 45 has no offensive capability other than a deck gun.”

Wrong.

“There is already a cheap system using Drones to overwhelm the Type 45's defence mechanism which relies on 48 sea to air missiles and once those missiles have been fired the ship is essentially defenceless.”

Also wrong. The 45's Radar is very advanced and can track hundreds of targets at the same time. They just wouldn't use the missiles on Drones. Any modern radar can tell the difference between a Drone and a fighter jet.

“The Type 45 on patrol around the islands does not carry any anti-ship missiles which is rather strange and the helicopters the ship carries do not either ”

The helicopters carry anti ship missiles. They have a port which will have Harpoon missiles they can fit should the need arise.

“which is very odd.”

The only thing that's odd is where you get your information from.

The t-45 isn't there for ship attack. It's there for air defence. If an attack was to take place you'd find that the Typhoons would be doing multiple sortes against your ships with anti ship weapons while the destroyer sits between the islands and Argentina giving air defence. This way the jets can do many, many, many sortes without having to worry about air defence.

The other alternative is to have a frigate, which run out of anti ship missiles quick.
92 Idlehands (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 01:41 pm Report abuse
Lageraemia

I can't quite work out whether you've responded to the wrong post or are having difficulty with your English? I'm guessing that was really meant for Windy in post 68 rather than my post 84 ???
93 Pirat-Hunter (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 01:49 pm Report abuse
if british illegal aliens in Malvinas Argentina can have a nuclear submarine in our water we Argentines demand our Argentine government to invest on a nuclear defence program, we must dance to the sound of the music UK plays I am sure once we show them we are willing to dance UK will start crying as they usually do in this message blog.
94 Idlehands (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 01:55 pm Report abuse
I guess Pirate Hunter is a bit thick. The submarine that may be in your waters is an Astute or Trafalgar class nuclear POWERED submarine, not a Vanguard class nuclear ARMED submarine. If we wanted to nuke Buenos Aires we'd have no need to send a sub down your way - the missiles can reach you all by themselves.
95 Filippo (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 01:57 pm Report abuse
72 stick up your junta (#)

“Isla Martín García is an Argentine island off the Río de la Plata coast of Uruguay. The Argentine exclave island is within the boundaries of Uruguayan waters”

Isla Martín García enables us to monitor Uruguay waters for pirate ships and ensure Uruguay continue to tow Argentine line. In future Uruguay will again become part of Argentina, this is part of our plan for greater Argentina, exist for 75 years.

The people of Malvinas have no rights, there are population of colonial pirates violating our waters and occupying our islands, they must return home or be forced to leave.

Britain is militarized the whole of Malvinas in contravention of UN and must be taken to UN to be forced to remove all occupation forces and pirate ships from our territory. CFK is being kind to British this is stage one of plan to reoccupy islands, phase two will be full blockade and stage three will be transplantation of population.

This is our song to you pirates go home all Malvinas pirates leave or be reborn Argentine like hero Bob Peck

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_akFekhmm1E
96 Conqueror (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 01:57 pm Report abuse
Well, I am disappointed. There was wee willy hayseed announcing CFK's forthcoming momentous announcement and THIS is what we get. I was expecting her to announce that, in order to restore territiorial integrity, she was going to fill in the South Atlantic! Perhaps Britain could help. Ask nicely and we can arrange for argieland to fill the South Atlantic....with itself!

Now let's take a look at the intelligent comments of South American contributors: (Note. If your comment isn't mentioned, it hasn't been thought intelligent).

@5 The Royal Navy has had a ship on constant patrol since 1982. Wonder why? In 1982, argieland ignored UN Security Council resolution 502. CFK's declassification of the Rattenbach report is irrelevant. We all remember the videos of argies going wild in the streets at the news of your cowardly, underhand attack. 66,000 argie troops versus 80 Royal Marines. How glorious...NOT. Every argie alive in 1982 bears the responsibility. And every argie born since that promotes the same false claim is equally responsible. Tell CFK to grow up. Drop the false claim. Remove the relevant article from the argie constitution.

@13 If it's a useless surface ship, presumably it would have the same effect as a RoRo ferry. Why are you bothered?

@17 Can you smell the exhaust gases of a Trident D5 nuclear missile?

@25 Thank you for the info. Based on that, available information and our equipment, your joke navy should take us about 20 minutes or less.

@28 Couldn't miss this. One 1970 argie peso = 10 million 2012 argie pesos.

@30 Looking forward to the £168 million A DAY, England will save when the Scots depart.

@38 So? Your air force asked to be allowed to construct an airstrip. Your problem!

@48 No, we didn't. No, you aren't. Yes, you have. And, yes, you have, again.

@49 UN Charter Article 51.

@55 Of what? Sticking her “face” on again?

@68 Another “straw poll”! In my street (12 houses) 35 people think we should nuke argieland.
97 J.A. Roberts (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 01:58 pm Report abuse
Xect, you seem to have a short memory.

The last UN Resolution calling for talks was in 1988. The UK started talks with Argentina the following year. An agreement was reached in October 1989, known colloquially as the “sovereignty umbrella” agreement. Further agreements covering things like fisheries, hydrocarbons etc were reaching in the years after that. That most recent in 2001. The UK has complied with the last UN Resolution on the matter. It is telling that there have been no further UN Resolutions about this. That fact that Argentina withdrew from those agreements in 2007 is a matter for Argentina. It is Argentina's problem.
98 Glen1976 (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:00 pm Report abuse
Malvinero1,
Firstly, a lesson in finance for you. If your investment in Argentina is giving you a 20% return and the unofficial (official figures are hidden by the Arg government) is at 25% then your risked your money and made a loss :-(. Probably not a good retirement plan.

Secondly, as a netural observer (I am a Kiwi, not a Brit) all the sanctions and posturing from CK looks very silly, not legally standing and I can't see the UN even entertaining her complaint. Even if it does, the UK has a veto so it's all a waste of time really. I mean how exactly can she complain about the military presence on the Falklands given what happened 30 years ago - it's just shameful that this issue is used as a political tool and makes Argentina look like a country with more machismo than intelligence.

I hope the Falklanders make plenty of money from the oil, even though they are already far more prosperous than Argenitina (per capita). Looks like there is a LOT of oil out there - perhaps this is the real target for CK. I will be investing my money in those companies pumping the oil out, i'll let you know the return on investment once all the oil is produced.

Have a nice day all.
99 Crackpot (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:04 pm Report abuse
Can someone please explain to me exactly what the “grave danger to international security” refers to here. Whose security? What grave danger?

How can a relatively small number of forces and one ship (with limited offensive capability) be a threat to anyone? It's just the minumum level necessary for putting up an effective defence, and it pales into insignificance in relation to the amount of (admittedly rather ineffectual) miltary that Argentina has in the South Atlantic. Does that mean that Argentina is also a grave danger to international security? [Put tongue in cheek] What about the nuclear powered submarine that they are developing? [Remove tongue from cheek]

Also, hasn't the level of forces and miltary equipment in the Islands remained relatively constant for a couple of decades now? I forgot about Fl Lt Wales, of course - maybe they see him as some sort of Rambo figure who's going to single-handedly take over Argentina (I can't quite see it myself).

It hasn't taken too much to ruffle the feathers of CFK and her cronies on this occassion. They really are going to get laughed out of the building with this one.
100 Filippo (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:07 pm Report abuse
99 Crackpot

Your occupation forces on our Mavlinas islands have gone from 5,000 25 years ago to 1,000 today but now they have hair to thrown and this is considered militarisation of islands.

Grave digger is what you will all need to learn to be as you will have many bodies to burry soon. We will reoccupy our islands and pirates will be destoryed.
101 Teaboy2 (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:13 pm Report abuse
We can always play the british national athem for you to dance too.

As for cry babies, well you only have to look at the mouning context of your post to seeing who the real cry babies are, that being argentinians lol.
102 fantasma (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:14 pm Report abuse
43 sara85

We're not Argentine, we never will be.

Why do you think Argentina wants the islanders to be argentine?
103 Teaboy2 (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:20 pm Report abuse
@fillippo - “Grave digger is what you will all need to learn to be as you will have many bodies to burry soon. We will reoccupy our islands and pirates will be destoryed.”

We got plenty of practice in when bury the argentine war dead in 1982 after argentina refused to take back their bodies. I think you will find it will be argentina learning how to be grave diggers and how to behave under british rule should a war every come.
104 Tobers (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 02:33 pm Report abuse
A big difference it seems between Argentina and Britain is that Britain (Goverenment/people on the street) on the whole acknowledges and is more willing to talk about and regret it's bloody history.

Britain, like most countries in Europe or Russia, China, USA, etc etc has an awful lot of blood on its hands. As does Argentina. Argentina seems to find it very difficult to examine in depth and thus crititicize its country's past. It still paints itself as a righteous country born from the ashes from the fight for independence or better still 'freedom'. In truth Argentina was born because the descendents of the conquistadores and immigrants had had enough ,understandably, of sending the resources of 'Argentina' and their taxes to Spain and also had the ability to kick overstretched Spain out. However, the Indigenous people were still told to; conform to the new state's ('Argentina's') rules and culture, get out...or die. They werent liberated. This was colonialism also and should be much more widely acknowledged by Argentina as it is in New Zealand, Canada, Australia etc..
105 nyaria2000 (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 04:01 pm Report abuse
96 Conqueror

My dear Briton, you should learn from your ancestor. When they looked what was going on across the Channel (1783 French revolution) they envisioned what was coming next to their shores and closed ranks internally. You should do the same again: just look across the Channel, mind your own affairs … and stay home.

But after they consolidated their internal front, nothing could stop expansionism. Then came the era of “Splendid Isolationism” where “Britannia ruled the waves”: The UK’s Geo-strategy supported by militarism, industrialism, evolved into Colonialism in Asia and Africa; such policy managed to make a mess out of India, China, etc. etc. etc.

Britannia attempted to set foot in Buenos Aires; in early 1800 two invasions led by Beresford and Whitelocke were defeated. Yet in 1833 you ancestors managed to settle the Malvinas islands with what you used to call kelpers (today called “islanders” because of the pejorative meaning of the word) and expelled and imprisoned the local inhabitants loyal to the new government in Buenos Aires. Since the ‘islanders”, were generally of British origin and spoke the English Language, it is not a solid argument to say they consider themselves loyal to the UK and thus to “claim sovereignty” to was occupied by force.

But everything that goes up eventually must come down, WWI and WWII with the cost of lives and economic resources eventually put restrictions to the “Grand Dream”. Thus ended the Empire where “the Sun never sets” … and with it the end of colonialism.

So again I say to you: Just look across the Channel, mind your home affairs … and stay home.
106 axel arg (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 04:06 pm Report abuse
Like i said in all my comments, the history will always be submited to omitions, in both sides, that's why it's absolutly necesary that everyone investigate about this conflict, in order to not to parrot any official propaganda, which omits important issues. In my case, i made an exhaustive survey, taking into account the british arguments too, and i have enough reasons to deffend the rights of my country respecting the malvinas-falkland islands, beside, i can send my investigation to anyone who wish to read it, on the other hand, i will present it as a study for my carear as student of geography.
Now my question is, if there is not any posibility of a new invation by argentina, due to the historic context since 1983, ¿then why the british government keeps such a militar base in the south atlantic?, ¿doesn't the british government know that our budget of deffence is one the lowest of the region?, it shows perfectly that we dont want any militar solution, but diplomatic, that's why our president is doing the right thing, anyway the government should have done it many years ago.
On the other hand, many of you like to argue all the time about the support of our people during the war, however what you ignore is that in that time, there was not any freedom of press, the four chanels were under the hands of the junta, and the press published lies all the time about false triumphs of the argentine forces, beside galtieri in hes statement of april 2nd 1982 said that we had recovered the islands with out any rencour, which was absolutly false also.
So, you should study deeply the question, in order to avoid any unfair comment, anyway most our people must criticise their behaviour after the war, because most veterans suffered a terrible discrimination when they returned.
Honour and glory to the soldiers of both sides, for having fought for a cause that they considered as fair, beyond the corruption and oportunism of miserable governments which used this sacred cause in 1982.
107 dreyfoss (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 04:10 pm Report abuse
“Britain defends military presence near Falklands after Argentina threats”

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9069250/Britain-defends-military-presence-near-Falklands-after-Argentina-threats.html
108 Lageraemia (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 04:12 pm Report abuse
Sorry Idlehands!!

I was getting confused with El Strawpollerino!

I love this place - Fillippo reminds me of The Fast-show's Channel 9. Loads of Latin Macho posturing, but the first to run away when things get tasty!
109 yankeeboy (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 04:13 pm Report abuse
Just wondering if this political theater & non-renouncement was timed to distract from the 18% rise in milk announced yesterday or the teachers demand of a 35% raise when the gov't is insisting on only 18%?

Just wondering...
110 british_but_open_minded (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 04:16 pm Report abuse
“we cannot interpret in any other way the deployment of an ultra-modern destroyer accompanying the heir to the throne, who we would prefer to see in civilian attire.”
How does she explain that? William will be gone before the 'Destroyer' arrives in the Falklands! It's ahrdly 'accompanying him'!
Next she'll be complaining about the Royal Golden Jubilee visit and saying that's an act of aggression!
Christina - deal with the problems with your economy or admit you can't and stop trying to deflect attention from your internal issues. This is starting to sound like De-ja-vu!
111 dreyfoss (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 04:18 pm Report abuse
“Falklands sabre-rattling: Cameron should stick to bullying Miliband
This is not 1982, and it is foolish of David Cameron to start making wild statements about the Falklands ”
www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2012/jan/19/falklands-david-cameron-argentina
112 Rufus (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 04:18 pm Report abuse
@99 Crackpot

Don't forget to take the awesome offensive capabilities of the RAF Sea King search and rescue helecopters that Prince William is flying.

Their entire offensive arsenal is basically whatever can be carried and hoofed out of the side door, although I suppose that they could use their rotor blades as an antipersonnel weapon (once).
113 Idlehands (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 04:31 pm Report abuse
”I suppose that they could use their rotor blades as an antipersonnel weapon (once)”

Not if they used Argentine tactics - simply chucking people out of the door over the ocean from a couple of thousand feet would make them a prefectly reusable weapon.
114 cornishair (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 04:32 pm Report abuse
oh nooooooooooo.... the UN
115 Raul (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 04:45 pm Report abuse
The roles have changed, Cameroon is Galtieri, give him a chance to peace.

Excellent speech by Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner.
UK must comply with UN resolutions: 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12) , 1984 (39/6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute.
This conflict is not resolved with resentment and revanchism. Resolved to peace and dialogue.
As Luther King said: There are no roads to peace, peace is the way. I think most of the English people have the same deep feeling. Peace, dialogue and Nonviolence.

John Lennon phrases that apply to British aggression in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya.

“Give peace a chance to” ..... “I can not believe I condecoren. I thought it was necessary to drive tanks and win wars. ”....“ If we take the power, would have the task of cleaning the bourgeoisie and keeping people in a revolutionary state of mind. ”
Lennon returned his medal Member of the Order of the British Empire in September 1969, through a letter addressed to his own Queen of England and sent to St. James Palace in London. The musician took this decision by the UK involvement in the Biafran war of secession, by the British Government's support to the U.S. invasion of Vietnam and the censorship of his song 'Cold Turkey', because references to including drugs.
”Your Majesty, I am returning my MBE (acronym for which knows the logo) as a protest against Britain's involvement in the Nigeria-Biafra issue, against our support for the U.S. in Vietnam and against falling 'Cold Turkey' on the music charts. With love, John Lennon, ”reads the letter he wrote the music to the queen, as reported by 'Music News' collected by otr / press. Now, the Medal of the Order of the British Empire, could end up in a museum as fans demand musician.
If John is really a true revolutionary of peace and nonviolence.
116 Crackpot (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 04:46 pm Report abuse
@112 Rufus

Just wait until she finds out about the top secret penguin attack squadron. They have been specially trianed to deposit limpet mines on any approaching Argentine ships. One they have fulfilled this mission, they have been trained to carry on going under their own initiative and take the fight to the Argentine mainland in whichever way they see fit.
117 Malvinero1 (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 04:58 pm Report abuse
ust wait until she finds out about the top secret penguin attack squadron. They have been specially trianed to deposit limpet mines on any approaching Argentine ships. One they have fulfilled this mission, they have been trained to carry on going under their own initiative and take the fight to the Argentine mainland in whichever way they see fit.
AHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAA!!
118 ChrisR (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 05:06 pm Report abuse
I wonder what the response would be by Argentina if William was asked to save some Argentino fisherman if their ship was in imminent danger of sinking?

Or would the brave fisherman decide to die instead of being saved by an imperialist colonialist?

It seems to me she is in need of a 'good seeing to'. Anybody want to volunteer?
:o)
119 Glen1976 (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 05:09 pm Report abuse
If the Argies actually cared about those islands as they keep saying then they would have sent a squad of mine disposal experts (sometime over the last 30 years) to remove all those mines they planted in 82' and never charted - I think a few crazies on here should volounteer for them ;-)
120 xbarilox (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 05:13 pm Report abuse
@ 106 “In my case, i made an exhaustive survey, taking into account the british arguments too, and i have enough reasons to deffend the rights of my country respecting the malvinas-falkland islands, beside, i can send my investigation to anyone who wish to read it, on the other hand, i will present it as a study for my carear as student of geography.” and who the f*ck are you Axel? hahaha

“Now my question is, if there is not any posibility of a new invation by argentina, due to the historic context since 1983” Who told you there is not any posibility of a new invation by Argentina? The war was in 1982, not in 1983.
121 Viscount Falkland (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 05:31 pm Report abuse
@118...It seems to me she is in need of a 'good seeing to'. Anybody want to volunteer?

Even the most desperate squaddie would rather a sheep than a turkey neck :-)))
122 cornishair (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 05:54 pm Report abuse
I've been reading comments on this site for the last couple weeks, and well i consider myself unbias. all this war talk by argentia, kinda makes me want to defend the people of the falklands :p

looks like a beautiful place hope i can visit some day
123 BritishguyfromLondon (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 06:03 pm Report abuse
This may be somewhat off topic but it was being discussed a while ago by the ever deluded Malviner01 that the HMS Dauntless is defenceless against Argentine rockets, and once the Dauntless' own missiles have been fired, his has minimal offensive power. I'll tackle the first myth first. Malviner01, have you ever heard of a CIWS, a Close In Weapon System? Even your outdated and poorly equipped warships should have them. They are equipped on almost every modern warship in the world, and the HMS Dauntless has several. Their purpose is to track incoming missiles and blast them out of the sky if they get too close. They are near impossible to get around due to their incredibly high rate of fire. Your Exocets do not scare us. Also, the HMS Dauntless has a powerful deck gun, which can blow a hole in the side of all but the most heavily armoured ships with its high calibre gun. The ship also has two further guns amidships which are not exactly weak either. Not to mention the fact that it has anti-ship missiles as well as anti-air. This means that effectively, 48 of your aircraft will never make it off the ground, and you seem to have discounted the possibility that the crew might bother to reload the launchers. As for the anti-ship missiles, you'd better do a check up on your CIWSs, assuming your ships have them. In any case, despite these fearsome weapons, our destroyers are not our main offensive power, our submarines (some of the best in the world) fill that role. Just thought that I'd lay out some facts and dispel the crap that Malviner01 is putting about.
124 cornishair (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 06:17 pm Report abuse
well said 123

if we're talking defence i think the argentin AF is going to have a hard time with the four typhoon fighter's. considering they are the most potent aircraft in south america :)
125 xbarilox (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 06:22 pm Report abuse
@ 122 Do it, it's a must! I'm an Argie and I'm with the Falklanders.
126 cornishair (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 06:24 pm Report abuse
125 :) well done good sir

to any islanders where do i find out about jobs on the islands?
127 dreyfoss (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 06:27 pm Report abuse
@ britishguyfromlondon
The Tyep 45s are fitted with the 114mm mk8 mod 1 medium-calibre gun system for shore bombardment and two 30mm guns. But for some reason HMS Dauntless has not been fitted with Phalanx - which is what you refer to and the ship is not carrying ANY anti ship missiles even though the Helicopters have been designed to carry them plus Stingray torpedoes which I assume the ship is carrying.

The Type 45 is however designed principally as a fleet defence platform and not as an offensive weapon - which is why I am puzzled about her being sent to the islands as she is entirely unsuitable for the role she is being expected to perform.
128 O gara (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 06:28 pm Report abuse
126 I hear they are looking for any boat owner they can get if you can load a few apples and oranges
129 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 06:32 pm Report abuse
“I'm an Argie and I'm with the Falklanders”
No you're not...

53 xbarilox (#)Nov 14th, 2010 As Marcos Alejandro has stated before, Britain must go, and in the end it will have to go; the issue is one of how and when.
Malvinas Argentinas.

77 xbarilox Brits are so used to steal things from people, that believe they have some kind of authority to tell people what to do, what to think, what to say, what to believe lol

102 xbarilox
Don't get scared people, get the facts, the islandars can't decide anything.

en.mercopress.com/2010/11/12/second-oil-rig-to-join-falklands-oil-exploration-round-next-year
130 cornishair (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 06:33 pm Report abuse
128 o gara

lol as most of south amercian still trades with the islands i think they will be ok
131 dreyfoss (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 06:34 pm Report abuse
Ogara - indeed and of course if the Dauntless has to fire those missiles, which of course she never will as Argentina is making absolutely no threat of military action and is determined upon a peaceful and diplomatic solution to this problem - the ship is not carrying any spares so once they are fired the ship is effectively helpless and a sitting duck.
In the same way as the Typhoons are vulnerable in that they depend upon the runway at Mount Pleasant and if that is not there, well the only place the Typhoons can land - is in the sea. The only other runway at porto Stanley has been shortened and unless it is made suitable the Typhoons will not be able to use it as an alternative.
132 zethe (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 06:34 pm Report abuse
“The Type 45 is however designed principally as a fleet defence platform and not as an offensive weapon - which is why I am puzzled about her being sent to the islands as she is entirely unsuitable for the role she is being expected to perform”

It is not. You just fail to see the defence strategy in place.

The ship is not the offensive weapon on the islands, The RN could for instance put a frigate there, and it would very quickly run out of missiles.

If there was an attack from Argentina it's quite easy to see what they would do to defend the islands. The Type 45 sits in-between the islands and Argentina, just off the islands coast. It's radar and anti air missiles cover the entire zone up to Argentina's coastline.

The typhoons are then free to make as many runs against the Argentine navy using anti ship missiles, without any worry from Argentine aircraft at all.

The ship is to keep the jets safe, not for offensive attacks itself.
133 cornishair (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 06:38 pm Report abuse
plus the radar systems can track a golf ball over central europe from portsmouth (type 45's that is)
134 dreyfoss (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 06:39 pm Report abuse
@cornishair - well that is very useful if tiger woods decides to launch an attack on it
135 zethe (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 06:43 pm Report abuse
dreyfoss is 100% correct when he states that the islands are vulnerable to the runway being destroyed. It's easily the islands biggest weakness. Not only no jets - no attack power. But also no large jets to bring troops in form the UK.

This is another of the reasons the T-45 is used to patrol the islands, and another why it's very suitable for the job.

The base is protected by SAM from the base itself. But this is not complete protection as they are shorter range missiles. The T-45 cover's the entire area and act's as a second layer of protection against aircraft for the Typhoons runway.

A frigate built for anti ship missions for example(our frigates) woukd not be able to do this job.
136 cornishair (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 06:45 pm Report abuse
131 dreyfoss, sorry havn't checked all your posts. for or against the islanders?

plus the AAF don't have the equipment to fight a modern war. as far as i can't tell chile has the best military in the region and i can't see them helping x
137 dreyfoss (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 06:49 pm Report abuse
@ zethe
The type 45 carries Astor 30 and 15 missiles total number 48.
The Astor 30 has an effective range of 85Km maxed to 100km
The Astor has an effective range of 30km maxed to 50km.
The Type 45 has a doppler but it falls off in frequency at 270kms and is pretty much useless beyond that.
The nearest airfields in Argentina are Rio Gallegos -over 600kms and Comodor Rivadavia - over 700kms - so the Type 45 will not be able to detect a launch and cannot track them if they come north around the islands using the land mass as a shield.
138 CameronHighlander (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 06:51 pm Report abuse
129 Marcos Alejandro

If you ever learn on thing in life, it should be to let others speak for themselves.

I know you people, the Peronists, the fascists of Argentina, don't understand this principle but if you are ever and I mean ever going to be taken seriously by anyone in this world, you must learn to respect them. Don't speak for them.

It's a shame that Argentina has for the best part of 80 years sold its people down the river. It's sadder still that so many of you wrap yourselves in the flag and go along with it.

It's time to grow up Marcos Alejandro, Think, O'Gara, Malvino.

Stop stamping on the floor, stop throwing your dummies out of the pram. It's time to grow up. And then maybe your government can grow up too.

Respect to all the decent Argentines. But it's time for the children to grow up.
139 fermin (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 06:55 pm Report abuse
the UK = a History of Invasion, Colonization, Wars, Grabbing of Resources, Slavery.

HOW DARE the same ones who represent this side of the british culture show themselves protectors of a fake “self-determination”??

The same ones that get hard on the Scottish demands...

The same ones that responded with bullets to the riots and protests in the streets of London not so long ago...

Great Britain's story is not the story of a power that goes around the world protecting small group of europeans out of europe in the name of the WORLD PEACE and JUSTICE. Let's put things as they are.
140 zethe (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 07:01 pm Report abuse
“The nearest airfields in Argentina are Rio Gallegos -over 600kms and Comodor Rivadavia - over 700kms - so the Type 45 will not be able to detect a launch and cannot track them if they come north around the islands using the land mass as a shield.”

Don't where you're getting your information from but firstly.

- The islands have ground based radar with range enough to detect take off from the mainland.
- The T-45's Radar system is effective to 400 km. and can track over 1000 targets.

The missiles the ship carry's range is 120 km.

“so the Type 45 will not be able to detect a launch”

The ship itself does not need to detect a launch. The ship's radar(and the land based one before that) will detect the planes well before they come within any form of range from the islands while they're mid air.

“and cannot track them if they come north around the islands”

Any planes coming in within range of those islands are going to be tracked well before they get near the islands. This point is proven by the fact that the typhoons regularly intercept Argentine air force planes coming to “test” the islands response times even to this day.
141 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 07:04 pm Report abuse
Brtish warmongers are disappointed after CFK speach
Now they have to rely on the Americans to allow them to go to Iran as their pets.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9064697/Britain-had-to-plead-with-US-to-take-part-in-Iran-flotilla.html
142 dreyfoss (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 07:12 pm Report abuse
@ 136 cornishair
I am in support of a peaceful resolution to a problem that will be to the satisfaction of Argentina, the Islanders and Britain.
I have said from the very beginning of this latest attempt to exploit the oil reserves around the islands might it inflame passions throughout the whole of South America and be seized upon by opportunistic politicians who will use it as a populist platform for their own ends. That appears to be happening now and the principle reason it is happening is that Britain has been much weakened from several decades of negligent governments - particularly the Blair regime - and that weakness can be seen and exploited.
The islanders still have a window of opportunity to negotiate themselves out of this mess and lose nothing but that window of opportunity will be closed shut within the next few months as Britain fails to win support for the islanders globally particularly from Europe and the USA - and even from within Britain itself. What will be the reaction of the british people to the sight of a handful of Islanders and Oil executives shoving gold into their pockets whilst the average Briton suffers in the worst recession of their history and is asked to pay for the defence of such wealth creation?
Once nationalist sentiment takes a hold of a people it is impossible to quench it and the real danger here is that this issue becomes an Anglo/Hispanic confrontation driven by nationalist sentiment.
When it reaches that position - people stop thinking, people stop talking and events rapidly overtake us all.
143 CameronHighlander (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 07:18 pm Report abuse
The bessie has a lovely body but a face like a bucket of spanners.
144 Anti-Fascist (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 07:35 pm Report abuse
139 Vermin -

Yes Vermin you have an appropriate name, as dos Fido the dog.

We are the power that destroyed the Nazi''s, destroyed the Fascists, destroyed the Imperial Japs, destroyed Communism, destroyed the Kaiser's plan to dominate Europe, destroyed Napoleon's plan to control the world. Our national strategy, formulated by Halford MacKinder was premised on the survival of small nations as a check against the formation of the continental Empires that would have been formed by the above. Without us most nations in the world would never have existed. Argentina may never have existed. Britain helped Argentina become independent, the British helped build Argentina. Most of your roads, rail, ports and other infrastructure was built with the help of British engineers. people who settled in Argentina and became Argentinian.

We made one mistake after WW1, we allowed all the Nazi's to flee to Argentina after the war and we allowed the fascists Peron's to stay in power, the fascist Franco to stay in power in Spain, the fascist Salazar to stay in power in Portugal.

Unfortunately your friends the America's had other plans for South America, plans that required South American to become neo-fascist and support American corporations, plans that included Operation Condor and the liquidation of political dissidents, the forming of governments led by General, the assassination of anyone who stood in their way.

You're welcome to the Americans, wrap yourself up in their flag and your own, work for their corporations, you know they love you all.
145 fermin (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 07:52 pm Report abuse
mmmm... genocides inside Europe are worse than those practiced outside of it??

At the end... the nazis wanted land and resources because they didn't have the colonies that another powers have...

And many corporations were even supporting both sides at World Wars... Capital doesn't have a flag... War was just a good business for many industries... And still is...

And I love the way some ideologies put things:

If nazis escaped to the US and infiltrated there they call it: “brains exile”, if they go to Southamerica the same thing is called “oh, these corrupted Southamericans nzi lovers are inviting them to hide there and protect them from justice”

So funny... I dislike nazis just like you...

If you are accustomed to invade each other in Europe deal with it!
Do not bring that logic to these side of the world.

The PEACE is not gonna come from the same that earned money with WARS.

Peron is fascist??! Where did you learn that?

Your comment talks about a lot of interesting things, but it is needed to talk seriously about them... After all you are calling fascist Peron and the

If you compare Peron to Franco you have NO IDEA really...

it is because the non-support to Northamerican's coorporations that you name in your comment that Peron has always been named fascist and many other things by the foreign corporative media.

Peron has even showed himself interested in negotiating the Malvinas sovereignty when the UK offered to do so (of course before 1982). I guess that doesn't have much to do with Franco or other european fascists.

You are mixing everything up.

And I don't like talking about countries like blocks where everybody acts and things the same way.

I am not talking about the whole Britain, I am talking about the right-wingers, the conservative, the ones that send people fighting to a war to defend something that didn't have to do with them in the end.

Be critic, do not buy what media sells you all the time.
146 Anti-Fascist (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 08:03 pm Report abuse
You can argue all you like as to whether the Peron's were fascist, but Juan Perón himself admits where he got his ideas from, Mussolini! There is plenty of academic work out there on the subject, below is just a taste. The consensus is Peronism, is fascism. It defiantly uses nationalism and while embracing corporatism, uses socialism as a tool for uniting the country behind the dominating corporate forces. I say if it looks like fascism, acts like fascism and sounds like fascism, it is fascsim.

journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract;jsessionid=7A4506B143FB8AF06FE7B4A20C477A19.journals?fromPage=online&aid=6287312

Was Perón a Fascist? An Inquiry into the Nature of Fascism
Paul H. Lewis

Students of fascism have long debated whether the Argentine dictatorship of Juan D. Peróon (1946–55) falls within the purview of their subject. A. F. K. Organski includes Perón's regime among his “syncratic,” or fascist, systems, along with Mussolini's Italy and Franco's Spain. Seymour Martin Lipset also classifies Peronism as fascist, but because of its working class appeal he treats it as a unique kind of “fascism of the left.” Other noted writers on fascism, such as Alan Cassels and Eugen Weber, also place Perón in the fascist camp. As for specialists on Argentine politics, José Luís Romero, George Blanksten, Arthur P. Whitaker, and Peter Smith all trace Perón's ideological inspiration back to Mussolini's Italy.
147 fermin (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 08:12 pm Report abuse
I do not love PERON, but the truth is that behind these arguments and relating him to fascism there are really not healthy/democratic/humanitarian intentions.

I do not support fascists, and apaprt from this I don't know why are we talking about Perón... CFK hasn't got so much to do with him...

This government is fighting the local corporations, the ones that were aliated to non-democratic governments in Argentina, this government we have today had supported same-sex marriages, democratic laws for the media, public education, investigated those crimes that had to do with killing dissidents that you were naming in your comment.

So if you don't like fascism I don't like it either...

The woman in the photograph in this article is talking about peace, about fair play at the international community, and has done a lot to support democracies in Latinamerca while the BBC or CNN where showing their back to attemps of Coup d'Etat in Honduras, Ecuador or Bolivia these last years.

So what don't you like about that?
148 nyaria2000 (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 08:28 pm Report abuse
Meanwhile the subtle propaganda machine has begun its psychological warfare: trotting around Latin America while misinforming the reality in Argentina today and the attempts to divide us. It will not work this time; Argentina is not alone.

The painful surprise for the ”emotionally sword rattling crowd” would be when they find out that both the UK and Argentina may need each other more than it is today openly admitted.

The UK’s policies supporters must stop their confrontational tactics; it is plain hogwash and a waste of time. Can you get this through your dense skull?

Threats (or perception of coercion) by both governments are just part of this preliminary “getting tough” period; but, eventually common sense and common interests must prevail; if that happens, then UK and Argentina will sit down and negotiate a mutually acceptable solution.

Trying to “outfox” each other will be part of the preliminary dialogue, but peaceful settlement will be measured in concrete political and economic terms. Present emotional posturing may be the preamble to the dialogue; but eventually it must be put aside.

To negotiate the “question of the Falkland-Malvinas” the UK and Argentina must concentrate on the ISSUES: The UK must be interested in more than just the respect for the right of the islanders; and Argentina in more than an immediate sovereignty. Argentine sovereignty over the Malvinas may not be the first … but it will be the “logical conclusion”. Think in terms of 100 years … or less.

The immediate and difficult questions to answer right now must be: what are the essential and practical steps that both parties may want to start with? What segments of both countries will benefit from these practical steps? Would it be about just the economic “bottom line” of the financial and large corporations? Etc., etc., etc.

Respectfully, your Argie friend.
149 briton (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 08:39 pm Report abuse
142 dreyfoss (
I am in support of a peaceful resolution to a problem that will be to the satisfaction of Argentina, the Islanders and Britain

[does that mean that Britain can now claim Patagonia,, and you will except a

Peaceful resolution to a problem that will be to the satisfaction of Argentina, the Islanders and Britain

Well that’s ok then ..
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
As for her complaint to the UN, it could well be, the biggest mistake of her presidency,
[I know Syria is a different kettle of fish]
But the UN has upheld the complain, and did what the UN can only do in the circumstance, that was to refer it to the ICC,. Because the UN has no power to do anything else,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Back to CFK, now what happens, if the UN thus upholds her complaint,
[remember they have no power or interference]
And refers the argentine government to the ICJ,
Then she would be fxxked would she not,
1, either backs away
2, comes up with evidence
This could well backfire on Argentina , .lol.
Just an observation.

.
150 Pugol-H (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 08:45 pm Report abuse
Standard CFK

Very long on rhetoric very short on substance, now she is going the raise the profile of the Islanders with the UN, having raised expectation at home.

Complete with a ritual cleansing of all Argintinians (Except the spurious Junta) of all responsibility for the 82 war, which they only gave “circumstantial support for”. And would not do so again, of course not.

Perhaps they will interrupt the debate on Syria to hear how the British have swapped one ship for another, and one helicopter pilot for another. While Argentina continues its policy of laying siege to the Islands.

Leave the Islander in peace, is the only peace required here.
151 zulu99 (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 09:06 pm Report abuse
Look, I know nothing is this simple...but, I do believe a simple solution is the best solution in these types of cases, to avoid a larger conflict. My solution is a vote, since I'm a big fan of democracy...have the citizens of the islands vote on “The islands should be part of the UK” or “The islands should be part of Argentina”. Whatever the outcome of the vote is determines the fate of the islands, for good. If the islanders feel they would be better off as part of Argentina, they'll vote for Argentina. If they feel they would be better off as part of the UK, they'll vote for the UK. Would this make sense?
152 Crackpot (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 09:13 pm Report abuse
@148 nyaria2000: “To negotiate the “question of the Falkland-Malvinas” the UK and Argentina must concentrate on the ISSUES: The UK must be interested in more than just the respect for the right of the islanders; and Argentina in more than an immediate sovereignty. Argentine sovereignty over the Malvinas may not be the first … but it will be the “logical conclusion”. Think in terms of 100 years … or less.”

Respect for the right of the Islanders is the ONLY primary issue. Everything else is just secondary.

It appears that you would want to enter into dialogue with the existing Argentine position that the only possible outcome is full sovereignty for Argentina (whether it occurs over 100 years or immediately is irrelevent).
Actually, the only logical outcome is to come up with a status of decolonisation that is acceptable to the UN. Even though many would argue that decolonisation has already taken place, it just doesn't fit the UN's current preconceived (and somewhat outdated) ideas of what it should look like. Thus, in the mind of the UN, there should be full independence for the Falkland Islands or some form of free association with the UK. Simply transferring the administration from the UK to Argentina would not be acceptable, as you would be making the relationship more colonial rather than less. I guess another possible option would be free association with Argentina, but that is never going to happen because the Islanders wouldn't want it (no consent form the inhabitants = no free association). So, there are no viable options that involve Argentina.

Now, if you want dialogue (rather than a negociation with only one extremely unfeasible outcome), then that is another matter. There are lots of things to talk about there regarding better cooperation on the environment, commerce, transport, etc. Just don't bring up sovereignty, or everything is off the table again.
153 Domingo (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 09:32 pm Report abuse
Perhaps one day the British, the Argentines and the Falkland Islanders can forgive one another for the past and resolve to be the best of friends into the future and achieve lasting friendship through acts of kindness and goodwill to one another? I certainly hope so. Perhaps the UN will one day grow in stature and the UN International Court of Justice may be accepted by all parties as the right way to settle disputes?
154 briton (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 09:38 pm Report abuse
151 zulu99
To my knowledge the Falkland islanders have had numerous referendums, and the result was 99%
To remain British, but Argentina refuses to accept this outcome,
The islanders on here can tell you more on that subject.
152 Crackpot
As above, I believe Argentina keeps breaking all agreements when it suits her no longer to except it,
Again the islanders will confirm this .

.
155 shb (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 09:39 pm Report abuse
Just been watching a programme on CNN about how Argentina militarised the dispute in 1982. They interviewed Andy (the radio station presenter).

Perhaps all the Argentinians would like to recal how your army tried to make Andy talk on the air with a gun in his back.....

Perhaps you would also like to recall the thousands of mines you left behind.

Now have a good think why the Falklanders wnat nothing to do with you......
156 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
Hey Domingo, when did you became a priest?
I remember when you were asking to nuke Argentina.
157 zulu99 (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 09:43 pm Report abuse
@154, Thanks for the info. Since 99% is a majority, then that settles it for me. Seriously, if the majority voted to be part of Argentina, then I would support that as well.
158 UKOwnsArgentina (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 09:51 pm Report abuse
I would like Argentina to hold a referendum on joining the United Kingdom, my research proves that Britain has had a continuous claim to Argentina since 1806. It is as relevant as the Argentine claim over the Falkland Islands and I propose the UK government take it to the UN.
159 cornishair (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 10:16 pm Report abuse
i like this debate, everyone seems to have chilled out abit

i would like to ask how the argentinean commuitie how they relate thier democratic values to the rights of the islanders i.e why you can be a country but the islands can't. i am intrested?
160 you are not first (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 10:45 pm Report abuse
Lord Torn or Orto On,

You are got old and bitter man. I undertand your anger. You now have 20/2000 of vision and do not have much to function in life
I am sorry
161 Domingo (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 10:45 pm Report abuse
@156. On Sunday ;-D

No. Not at all.

I did and still do fret about the consequences of misguided nationalism by any party which could lead to actual confrontation; furthermore intentional widening of the conflict between the two countries to cause a serious escalation between supranational blocks, which then spins out of control. Some commentators seemed to welcome such a wider escalation of the disagreement. I do not. To me such escalation would have negative consequences, perhaps like those I fear; probably no

Thus conscious decision to pursue Argentine-Anglo détente is the most rationale and desirable political choice I think

I firmly believe there is no moral justification for the use of nuclear weapons in war, since -if one is to follow Thomas Aquinas thesis of possible grounds for a 'just war' and the associated concepts of necessity, distinction, proportionality - then the use of nuclear weapons by any belligerent offends these moral concepts as do many military acts like the fire bombing of cities, as happened in world war two and the USA's defeat of Japan. Their use stemmed from a form of 'moral' argument was to end a wasteful and destructive war sooner and thus ultimately save more lives, but at the terrible cost of the death and horrible injury of many innocents

Ideally, nuclear states would voluntarily disarm. However, unfortunately they do not trust one another, fear proliferation and thus retain these nightmare weapons for the illusional value of 'deterrence'

Maybe one day all of humankind can unite and discard the old rivalries and care for one another truly?! It's a nice thought and a worthy aim

Before then, I'd hope the British, the Argentines and the Falkland Islanders can find a way to reach out to each other and replace their mutual hostility and distrust, with respect, trust, cooperation and friendship!

It's a choice worth serious consideration from time to time. Perhaps one day, this good choice will be made. Live in hope they say
162 Conqueror (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 10:49 pm Report abuse
@100 Don't you worry, sonny. Won't be any need for gravediggers. British fallen will be returned to Britain. argie (and venezuelan) fallen will be shipped offshore and dumped overboard. Want to see your father, brother, son again? Go down to the beach and wait.

@105 Now I wonder if nyar translates to New York argie. Indicating that you “love” your country so much that you live somewhere else. Have you ever considered coming to where we can hear you state your views publicly? Just you, me and my kukri. You savvy kukri? Gurkha fighting knife.

@106 Shove off, as*hole. Gonna start reporting your “comments” as abuse soon. Go back to feeding propaganda lies to the kids. Doesn't matter. Keep it up and few of you will survive.

@115 Oh ho. Dopy Raul again. “Excellent speech by Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner.” What constitutes an “excellent speech”? The ability to string five words together and have them make some sort of sense? Be sensible. She's a corrupt, brain-dead, plastic feckwit. As for your UN resolutions, you can stuff 'em up your ass.

@118 You jest! I wouldn't pee down its throat.

@127 You must try to get up to date. I was there just before Dauntless sailed. I saw what was fitted and what was loaded. By my count, what Dauntless is carrying plus the reloads available from the RFA and what is being flown into MPA is enough to wipe out the entire argie air force. Do send all your 243 aircraft. FYI Dauntless carries three complete reloads.

@131 Just as a matter of interest. Can you quote the take-off and landing distances for a Typhoon? Here's a tip. A Typhoon cold take off from and land on an Invincible class aircraft carrier. Without a ski-jump.

Argie bloggers generally. There IS a peaceful solution. It is in YOUR hands. SHUT UP. GIVE UP. GO AWAY. STAY AWAY. If you don't like that, there is an alternative for you. DIE.
163 mollymauk (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 10:58 pm Report abuse
@153 “Perhaps one day the British, the Argentines and the Falkland Islanders can forgive one another for the past and resolve to be the best of friends into the future and achieve lasting friendship through acts of kindness and goodwill to one another?”

Domingo - that is exactly what happened in 1850, when Argentina and the UK agreed that ”existing differences” between the countries had been settled and confirmed that “perfect friendship” between the countries had been restored. This disagreement between us was settled 162 years ago to the satisfaction of all parties. It was Argentina that then decided to go back on their agreement 90 years later in the 1940's and start claiming some imaginary right to our islands. Check out the official history in the state records.
164 Domingo (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 11:16 pm Report abuse
Whatever has happened has happened. There are always two sides to every story, and in this case, three sides!

No-one can change the past, but we can change the future. I think it's time people forgave one another and resolved to be friends.

Imagine Prime Minister Cameron & President Kirchner freely expressing their forgiveness of one another for each country's past mistakes. That would be a good thing.

Perhaps they could sing a duet?:

“What have I got to do to make you love me
What have I got to do to make you care
What do I do when lightning strikes me
And I wake to find that you're not there
What do I do to make you want me
What have I got to do to be heard
What do I say when it's all over
And sorry seems to be the hardest word
It's sad, so sad
It's a sad, sad situation
And it's getting more and more absurd
It's sad, so sad
Why can't we talk it over
Oh it seems to me
That sorry seems to be the hardest word”

;-P
165 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 08th, 2012 - 11:38 pm Report abuse
Yes Domingo, the new priest, Imagine Prime Minister of Spain, Ireland, Scotland and the President of Argentina singing together this:

Go on home British Soldiers Go on home
Have you got no..... homes of your own :-)
166 Malvinero1 (#) Feb 09th, 2012 - 12:26 am Report abuse
100 Don't you worry, sonny. Won't be any need for gravediggers. British fallen will be returned to Britain. argie (and venezuelan) fallen will be shipped offshore and dumped overboard. Want to see your father, brother, son again? Go down to the beach and wait.
conquered: AHAHHAHHHAHHAHHHHAHHHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAA!
What an IDIOT!
167 nyaria2000 (#) Feb 09th, 2012 - 02:06 am Report abuse
We cannot advance with just dialogues; since Argentine Independence from Spain we have had plenty of dialogues. If the United Kingdom doesn’t want to negotiate this topic, I believe that Argentina cannot deal with the other themes. Of course we are very interested in economic cooperation and communication, but for Argentina, without settling the question of sovereignty, these are just peripheral issues with only slight relevance to Argentina legitimate claim of sovereignty over the Malvinas Islands.
Cordially. your Argie friend
168 CameronHighlander (#) Feb 09th, 2012 - 02:35 am Report abuse
165 Marcos Alejandro

Would you like to try and make them go home Marcos? Ya wee armchair soldier. I would pick you up out of ya wee chair and smash the chair and you into a thousand pieces ya wee man. I can see you head now hitting the ceiling, it ain't a pretty sight ya Bampot.
169 lost1 (#) Feb 09th, 2012 - 03:24 am Report abuse
“Always the same nationalist imbecility. First they light up the fuse and then are scared when the bombs explode” nationalism is a great way to distract people.

Jo
170 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 09th, 2012 - 03:29 am Report abuse
Mr Lorton
You wrote “I started out with an opinion that the Islands were British. An opinion based more on faith than any real knowledge”

That self explains why you don't have a clue about history facts.

www.falklandia.com/Timeline/Introduction.htm
171 nyaria2000 (#) Feb 09th, 2012 - 04:20 am Report abuse
@162
Conqueror stop your egocentric childish behavior; it doesn't make the Brits look civiliszed. You couldn’t hear me or anybody well enough; the wax from you polluted “hooligan” brain have clogged your ears.
172 ernvera (#) Feb 09th, 2012 - 06:02 am Report abuse
Olé olé olé oleeee....Dieegoo...Diego...

betd.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/argentina-inglaterra.jpg

You will feel the hand of God soon kelpers.
173 shb (#) Feb 09th, 2012 - 07:11 am Report abuse
@165

British troops will leave Gibraltar when the spanish leave Ceuta, Mellila and its military oupost in North Africa. What a case of double standards the broke Spansih have particularly as they have had to come cap in hand to us and the other EU members that still have some solvency.

British troop will leave Scotland if it goes indepedemnt and if they are asked to go. Actually Salmond would prefer them to stop so he can have his mac-cake and eat it by selling them services.

British troops will leave the Falklands when the Argentine government drops its claims to the islands and gives up trying to bloackade them, invade them or subjegate them by other means.

None of the cases above are likely soon.

Ernvera: is that a threat?

Marcos Alejandro: don't talk rubbish, we had a claim before you and you should'nt have tried to usurp our sovereignty by raising your flag and raising a militia in the islands prior to our reclamation in 1833.
174 slabside (#) Feb 09th, 2012 - 11:20 am Report abuse
Can I ask anyone who's interested why the football league in Argentina was rebranded Belgrano First Division?

That to me seems entirely childish and rather ridiculous
175 Britishbulldog (#) Feb 09th, 2012 - 11:51 am Report abuse
37 Fido Dido-----All warmonger “blowhard” brits here, never served,

Hello little doggy woggy long time no see. Are you sure all these warmonger Brits have never served? Or would you like to see the medals that I wear every year on Remembrance Day when I meet up in London with a few of my mates that I served with?

Still churning out the rubbish I see, now go fetch that bone I have just thrown little doggy woggy. Woof woof , whimper whimper.

118 ChrisR---It seems to me she is in need of a 'good seeing to'. Anybody want to volunteer? Fuck of mate any decent male would rather shag a camel or a donkey or sheep than shag that ugly plastic faced lying bitch.

136 cornishair----plus the AAF don't have the equipment to fight a modern war. as far as i can't tell chile has the best military in the region and i can't see them helping x

More likely, they will help themselves to anything belonging to Argentina. By by Argentina if you start something.

141 Marcos Alejandro----- Better then to send what we have down to the Falkland's isn't it mate.
176 ChrisR (#) Feb 09th, 2012 - 12:41 pm Report abuse
175 Britishbulldog

It was hypothetical! :o)
177 axel arg (#) Feb 09th, 2012 - 12:43 pm Report abuse
XBARILOX.
This is evident that you are still the same ignorant, firstly, i have right to think whatever i want, like you or like any other, but the diference betwen you and i, is that i dont parrot any propaganda like you and others, that's why i investigate, and respecting the soposed threat by country, this is evident that you dont live here, you have no idea about what our people thinks regarding this conflict, you dont how the context changed since 1983 when we recovered the democracy, STUDY DEEPLY THE QUESTION, beyond the hate that per haps you feel for us, IGNORANT.
178 briton (#) Feb 09th, 2012 - 01:32 pm Report abuse
The UN are about to get best laugh of 2012,
CFK has put her foot in her mouth again,
the UN will direct her to the ICJ,
and the whole world will see just what lies the argies have been telling,
this could well be the biggest mistake , that she has made,
comedy of the year award perhaps lol.
179 axel arg (#) Feb 09th, 2012 - 03:19 pm Report abuse
BRITON.
You know perfectly that if none of the two parts proposes to take the question to the i. c. j, which would be the best way in order to finish with this dispute, it's due to both aren't sure that they can win the case, i dont need to type again about the diferent proposals to take the question to the arbitration that both countries made in diferent moments, right?, i must know about them, so, dont be so hipocrite and recognize once and for all the mistakes of your country like i do with mine.
180 anti-fascist2 (#) Feb 09th, 2012 - 04:19 pm Report abuse
Here a video for your Witch Le Presidente

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO-BOuIbBV8
181 stick up your junta (#) Feb 09th, 2012 - 05:36 pm Report abuse
Cristina’s damp squib

www.buenosairesherald.com/article/92264/cristina’s-damp-squib
182 British_Kirchnerist (#) Feb 09th, 2012 - 05:45 pm Report abuse
Great speech, great song =) As a Lenonist myself I must say I'm admiring Cristina more and more =) I think now I can say that with Fidel and Mandela retired she's the best President in the world =)
183 Pugol-H (#) Feb 09th, 2012 - 05:48 pm Report abuse
@165 Marcos

Re: @168 CameronHighlander

Bampot is Scottish for papanatas.
184 Britishbulldog (#) Feb 09th, 2012 - 06:21 pm Report abuse
181 stick up your junta---- Told everyone a few blogs back that the freak had had a lobotomy when she went into hospital for that operation this proves I was right.

176 ChrisR--- Thank God for that, for a moment I thought it was going to compulsory for any hot blooded male coming to Argentina to shag the freak. And seeing that I am having a cruise down that neighbourhood later this year my wife got her knickers in a twist. Not to mention the rolling pin out :o)
185 ChrisR (#) Feb 09th, 2012 - 06:44 pm Report abuse
184 Britishbulldog

She does need it though, don't you think? :o)
186 fermin (#) Feb 09th, 2012 - 07:28 pm Report abuse
It is really hard to find good replies to CFK speeches, she is clever for sure.

I am glad she doesn't rephrase Cameron's speeches or headlines at that disgusting corporative fascist media that lies about Latinamerica all the time. It is nonsense to do it, and it makes Cameron look really freaky to compare both.

All I am reading are lies and laughs at her stylish manners :D

Cameron already run out of serious fundaments to put public money on defense and military shopping, that's why he lies all the time and shows the british people a fake enemy to fight against.

Argentina can't stand another war and is determined not to get involved in one... so how is he gonna explain that more money on defense is needed?? all this while the UK is suffering crisis...

All Cameron can say is the same boring loop about “defense and self-determination”, boring! british deserve better!
187 Think (#) Feb 09th, 2012 - 07:52 pm Report abuse
TWIMC

Lisa Watson, says:
”Emmm Oops ”
www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/09/cristina-fernandez-de-kirchner-bitch-penguin-news

Think says:
Tsk-tsk, blondie………….
188 stick up your junta (#) Feb 09th, 2012 - 08:00 pm Report abuse
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/92247/malvinas-no-chance-of-war

This plonker thinks we might nuke them

We don’t know if the British submarines are (just) nuclear-powered or carry nuclear warheads and that is what bothers us. We have it quite clear in our heads that we have no interest in militarizing the region, never mind nuclear weaponry. We are thus evaluating whether this British threat is bringing nuclear arms to South America.

And that we are sending thetype 45 to babysit William :-)))))))

If HMS Dauntless is coming to guarantee the safety of Prince William and his retinue, let them (the British) rest assured that within the framework of the international treaties making us responsible for emergency assistance in the South Atlantic, we would have rushed up our naval units to answer any mayday from the prince. They would have saved thousands of pounds sterling and generated less tension in the region.
189 Pirat-Hunter (#) Feb 09th, 2012 - 08:19 pm Report abuse
fakland island company is free and will always be free to determine on their own if they will go back to UK or become Argentine's simple, UK is right there is nothing to discuse next war we should either deport them to UK or relocate them all around Argentine labour camps as USA and UK does to illegal aliens, choosing confrontation over dialog for the illegal aliens is a mad move, considering the Argentine track record on human rights this confrontation is suicidal, I love it finally I might get the chance to legally shoot a brit. Personally I believe that all this problm can be solved with a single hydrogen bomb over our Islas Malvinas Argentina, USA and UK killed over 10.000 Muslims and UN doesn't even care chances are that 3000 unruly british illegal aliens won't be missed by anyone but UK. this would be an excellent time to buld a nuclear defence program to protect Argentina from the nuclear submarine threat in LatinAmerica, closing UK embassy would send the smoke signal to the world about the nuclear threat in the area.
190 ChrisR (#) Feb 09th, 2012 - 10:10 pm Report abuse
189 Pirat-Hunter

Yet again you have not understood what was posted about our nuclear sub which will probably be off the Falklands as I write.

IT IS NUCLEAR PROPELLED YOU NUMBNUT! Just like the pathetic Thysson 1700 that your country is trying to develop. NOT nuclear armed.

There is plenty of explosive power in our cruise missiles to deal with your 'Navy' (what a joke that is) without using nuclear weapons.

But you will never develop a working nuclear powered sub. The 1700s will be 40 years old at the earliest programme date and by then we will have the next version of Astute coming into service. Can you imagine what that will be able to do (probably not as you cannot understand WW2 technology).

You are aptley named Prat.
191 briton (#) Feb 09th, 2012 - 10:49 pm Report abuse
179 axel arg
why are you so silly
you come back with answers to the wrong questions all time,
keep up man,,keep up
192 fermin (#) Feb 09th, 2012 - 11:46 pm Report abuse
Never been so clear: The UK has no more serious fundaments.

That's why Cameron talks as if Argentina was about to move its armies, that's why he talks as if Argentina HAD enough military power to do something about Malvinas.

He needs to show Argentina as a colonialist aggressive power to put more money on defense, to mix things up, to make everything unclear, to justify colonialism.

Cameron is barking but CFK is quiet, and Argentina will go on claiming in PEACE, even if the UN is not a %100 democratic Institution and the Security Council structure is unfair, even if the foreign media corporations go on selling lies to people about Argentina's intentions...

The right-wingers from London supporting the GRABBING of natural resources and the military presence in this side of the world, the same who make money with wars, the same who sent armies to Afghanistan on the name of the “World Security”, the same ones that were ok with all those arab dictators before the Arab Spring happened.

For the islanders: stop buying lies from the British Government. Argentinian's government is not expressing any kind of xenophobia, has no intentions to take any kelper away, the islands are considered part of Argentina by Argentinians even if the UK seized them; and there is no intention to treat it like an Overseas Territory or a colony or a minor area.

The Argentinians want to defend from colonialism, from a threaten that comes from far away on the North and has to do with grabbing of natural resources and with a warrior empire that has shown many times its dislike for human rights and its unlimited hunger for consuming resources that does not own.

Southamerica is reach in natural resources, and these hungry little groups of hungry men running corporations know it, they don't care about the kelpers, they just want the resources.
193 briton (#) Feb 10th, 2012 - 12:12 am Report abuse
??cough
194 nyaria2000 (#) Feb 10th, 2012 - 12:32 am Report abuse
Briton how is your command of the Spanish Language? It may help you:)
195 Feathers McGraw (#) Feb 10th, 2012 - 12:47 am Report abuse
@174 ... it's called the Belgrano First Division 'cos it's the best they got but it's still goin down... :-)
196 shb (#) Feb 10th, 2012 - 06:53 am Report abuse
@189 prat hunter.

I doubt that your little extermination campaign would be as much fun as you imagine it would be. Why don't you volunteer to join your army or marines and then volunteer to be in the 1st wave of the assault. It's not all going to be shooting unarmed civilians - including young children, then throwing them into mass graves, there are several hundred armed servicemen to contend with first. I would hope that if you were there you got gut-shot and end up crying on the beach trying to push your lower intestines back into the wound. You'll probably call for your mom or dad at some stage, don't worry a lot of wounded soldiers do. Thats how much fun war really is.

@fermin look at prat hunters comment then wonder why we are concerned about the safety of the islanders.

I bet you want to be defended from your enemies and I bet you want self determination to choose who's flag and laws you live under. You constantly deny the Falklanders those rights, a facsist position.

You're own countries bleating about our the deployment of units to protect the falklands from the likes of prat hunter are boring..........
197 LegionNi (#) Feb 10th, 2012 - 08:50 am Report abuse
189 Pirat-Hunter

You accuse Britain of being a nuclear threat in the South Atlantic, and in the same post state your desire to drop a nuclear bomb onto the Falklands.

Just how mixed up are you?
198 urukelper (#) Feb 10th, 2012 - 11:45 am Report abuse
The long lasting link between Montevideo and the Falkland Islands.
www.elobservador.com.uy/noticia/218510/la-veta-uruguaya-de-los-kelpers/
199 briton (#) Feb 10th, 2012 - 01:12 pm Report abuse
194 nyaria2000 (#)
Feb 10th, 2012 - 12:32 am
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Briton how is your command of the Spanish Language

english only .
200 Great Britain (#) Feb 11th, 2012 - 09:09 pm Report abuse
Oh man I saw just now Argentina shows off it's new defense capability!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZI8CGJjoQE
201 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 11th, 2012 - 09:20 pm Report abuse
200 Oh man I saw just now UK shows off it's new defense capability!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6Regw-AhXI
202 Great Britain (#) Feb 11th, 2012 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
She'll still happily sink your “entire” navy, ask the Americans which subs routinely beat theirs in combat exercises ; )
203 briton (#) Feb 11th, 2012 - 10:07 pm Report abuse
HMS Collingwood is a stone frigate

She is big enough to put at least 5 aircraft carriers on its decks and still have room,
This HMS Collingwood
Maywell be sent to you in the spring,
At 200,000 tons, it will fit your whole navy into its grounds,
Lol.q
The art of deception, is make believe .
204 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 11th, 2012 - 10:25 pm Report abuse
202 Great Britain you said ”ask the Americans which subs routinely beat theirs in combat exercises ; )

Ok I just did

“Our former colonial masters, the British, used to be renowned for their terrifying navy, which would obliterate rival fleets and bombard barbarian cities from the sea in order to pave the way for colonial conquest. Unfortunately, the Brits are stone cold broke now, having spent all their Pounds Sterling on booze, and so their navy sucks”

wonkette.com/427479/dumb-british-submarine-stuck-in-mud
205 briton (#) Feb 11th, 2012 - 10:38 pm Report abuse
Just because you do not have a navy,
The jealousy and envy shows,
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You chose the Airfix models, so stop complaining .

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206 Cero (#) Feb 12th, 2012 - 03:55 am Report abuse
of course, UK have many nuclear weapon, so they can keep stealing lands and killing people. that's what they've allways done
207 shb (#) Feb 12th, 2012 - 09:55 am Report abuse
@206 What lands have we stolen recently? In terms of raising a flag and saying “this is now Great British territory”?

@204 - YAWN.............old news......................your 2 years behind the times.

HMS Astute is now operational, She recently carried out cruise missile test firing exercises in the gulf of mexico.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2061468/HMS-Astute-attack-submarine-carries-successful-test-firing-mission.html

The sea is chock full of hazards. A USN sub hit an uncharted seamont a couple of years ago. Par for the course. It goes with training. Your own fleet does'nt do a many sea miles as ours, so your fleet must be suffering from a lack of practice.

Great Britain is right, despite the catastrophic and moronic defence cuts the RNs attack subs are still our trump card, and they do often win in exercises against the USN.

HMS Astute is an extremely potent unit. Underestimate her at your peril. She could easily destroy an Argentine task force on her own, then hit mainland Argentina with missiles. I hope that has wiped the smug smirk from your face.
208 Teaboy2 (#) Feb 12th, 2012 - 10:42 am Report abuse
@207 “I hope that has wiped the smug smirk from your face.”

I doubt it, hes mentally impaired and was born that way, so its a perment feature on his ugly mug lol.
209 Deebles (#) Feb 12th, 2012 - 01:00 pm Report abuse
@192 Fermin and @206 Cero,

Proposition 1: The UK and Argentina are at a diplomatic impasse on the Falklands/Malvinas. It's politically suicidal for an Argentinian leader to renounce that claim, and politically lucrative to play upon it; and it's equally politically suicidal for a UK leader to surrender the islands, following the 1982 war.

Proposition 2: Ms Kirchner is attempting to starve out the Falklands via a blockade of trading vessels www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16980747

Proposition 3: The British forces themselves in the Falklands are not about to invade Argentina, nor have they made any hostile action against Argentinian shipping or interests.

Proposition 4: The “militarization” claims rest of substituting one new ship for one old ship, the presence of the prince in a search-and-rescue helicopter (and I still fail to see how this is a problem or threat), and the rumour of a sub (as if anyone doubted that British subs wander through the south Atlantic anyway).

Query: What are you complaining about?
210 briton (#) Feb 12th, 2012 - 02:16 pm Report abuse
206 Cero ,if democracy gave in to you bunch of theives, where would it end,
the falklands are on a bigger list of aquasisions that argentina has already drawn up,ready to claim,
so dont give us this crap abt the british,
argentina wants her ownempire and colonys, and all you bad argies that back this, are as guilty as her,
and if that time ever comes and you inact violence, then you will have no complaint , will you .
211 GreekYoghurt (#) Feb 13th, 2012 - 04:18 pm Report abuse
@210 Doesn't take a retard to open any Argentinian history book and see that in their search for 'lebensraum' they wanted to carve up Paraguay in 1860's . Nor can one forget the Beagle Conflict in 1978 where they 'decolonised' some islands from Chile. Those Chilean pirates!!!!

I think they point we're all forgetting here is where did all the Nazis Germans go after WWII?
212 ChrisR (#) Feb 13th, 2012 - 06:46 pm Report abuse
ARGENTINA UBER ALLES!

For the hoypoloi: Argentina above all.
213 Xect (#) Feb 13th, 2012 - 07:04 pm Report abuse
I do find it all very funny, if this an embarrassment to Argentina then I don't know what is.

Replacing a warship that has been on duty constantly for 30 years with another one and making accusations about a nuclear submarine being in the area whilst simultaneously asking for its position (which really is saying you don't know where it is) is pretty damn funny.

Honestly sometimes you simply could not make-up that level of lunacy.
214 briton (#) Feb 13th, 2012 - 07:31 pm Report abuse
as for the wider world, if they wish to bury democracy to support Argentina, then these same fools have no complaint when Argentina and others start to look their way, you cannot give away a democracy to a dictator, its as simple as that .
215 GreekYoghurt (#) Feb 13th, 2012 - 09:34 pm Report abuse
This kind of political imbecility on behalf of the North Koreans, sorry, Argentinian government is worrying. Even worse is the fact the nation seems to be full of brain dead-folk who lap it all up.

I guess that's the issue with dealing with authoritarian governments like North Korea, sorry, Argentina.
216 briton (#) Feb 13th, 2012 - 10:05 pm Report abuse
She is a clever woman
She like playing politics,
And she now playing this game as the victim,
Waiting for the bully to attack, then cry foul, get support from everyone, and poor old Britain gets condemned as an imperialist power,
But their may be another way,
By fighting their fire, with our water .
www.danentwisle.com/blog/?p=58
Interesting thought .
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217 GreekYoghurt (#) Feb 13th, 2012 - 11:37 pm Report abuse
KFC: “I accuse you!! I'm accusing you soo much right now... don't you know how much I'm accusing you!!! J'accuse... ”

Consider yourself accused, UK.

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