Cameron reaffirms support for Falkland Islanders, ‘in the past and so in the future’
“Our resolve to support the Falkland Islanders has not wavered in the last thirty years and it will not in the years ahead”, said British Prime Minister David Cameron in an brief official statement on the 30th anniversary of the liberation of the Falkland Islands, 14 June.
PM Cameron pointed out that for the last 180 years,” ten generations have called the Falkland Islands home and have strived hard to secure a prosperous future for their children, despite the aggressive threats from over the water, they are succeeding”.
The full release from 10 Downing Street:
“Today’s thirtieth anniversary of the liberation of the Falkland Islands is an opportunity to remember all those who lost their lives in the conflict and to look forward to what the future holds for the Falklands.
“It’s a time to pay tribute to the 255 UK servicemen who paid the ultimate price so that the people of the Falkland Islands could live in peace and in freedom. And it’s a time to express our huge debt of gratitude to all those servicemen who showed such astonishing courage to recapture the Islands. Their bravery reminds us that freedom is only won, and peace is only kept, because there are exceptionally brave people willing to journey to the other side of the world to lay their lives on the line.
“Our resolve to support the Falkland Islanders has not wavered in the last thirty years and it will not in the years ahead. For the last 180 years, ten generations have called the Falkland Islands home and have strived hard to secure a prosperous future for their children. And despite the aggressive threats from over the water, they are succeeding. The Falklands economy is growing, the fishing industry is thriving and tourism is flourishing. Next year’s referendum will establish the definitive choice of the Falkland Islanders once and for all. And just as we have stood up for the Falkland Islanders in the past, so we will in the future.”







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www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-18451158
Reference:
webtv.un.org/live-now/watch/the-special-committee-on-the-situation-with-regard-to-the-implementation-of-the-declaration-on-the-granting-of-independence-of-colonial-countries-and-peoples/1655324974001
The short answer is probably NO but then does anybody in the UK or on the Falklands expect anything to really change.Again the answer is probably NO. I watched a short piece with Alejandro Betts castigating wicked imperialist Britain for its misdeeds in the Malvinas.Was he the Falklander who was fingering other islanders to the Argie occupation force ? The local Judas no less.
Gosh, that's rich.
Who wants to take bets on the outcome and the valid reasons for Britain not turning up or taking notice of the proceedings.
Have the Argies mentioned about the genocide of the indians, the Anaya plan for disposing of the Falklanders or the 30,000
disappeared. Maybe it was the Martians who were responsible . It could not possibly have been the Argentines.
I think normal service will resume tomorrow.The Argies might win lots of these muppets over but it only hardens the resolve of the islanders and the British.
I want the Ecuadorian Chair to start ranting on about how the UN charter isn't important, etc.
It's only a matter of time.
What a load of crap!
Adopt any draft resolution you like. NO CHANGE!
TBh this is the first time I've heard this forum in operation. the whole committee is owned by the hispanics.
From a British and Falklands perspective it changes nothing but when is the FCO going to remember who its friends are and act accordingly.
I think the Argies are a bit too eager to claim support as I am sure that on one of the Argie paper websites Australia was included as one of the countries which 'wants the Malvinas to be returned to Argentina.'
Deaths in the wars of liberation? IRC is being brought up... curious.
You're right, it's all hispanics.
She's not a great orator.
CFKC should not be allowed to speak. She just rambles and makes no sense. Is she trying to bore people into submission.
She's making absolutely no sense at all. Do hispanics like this kind of speech?
After the guy reading from the mills and boon novel, and the well known traitor, it's difficult to see what she's trying to say.
she seems fine talking in Rg Land. when it comes to talking properly in an international forum she completely loses it.
On topic, why has she dragged all those veterans along if she is 'not here to talk about 1982'?
Can anyone follow her scatterbrain? It is no wonder Argentina's policies are crap if she leads meetings in this way. Everyone must come out of the meetings thinking, what the hell are we supposed to do?
There were negotiations between my country and the United Kingdom. In the middle of WW2! There were some more as well. That argieland walked out on.
Begone BITCH!
b) A man trying to sell a sh!t novel
c) A traitor
d) Someone just ranting about nothing really.
Still not sure what their strategy is.
why is she now cribbing from a document written decades ago?
Sounds like thinly veiled bollox to me.
now bringing the Germans into this. WTF!
dont think she got the response she was after, although it was good that falklands representitives got their say, bet that went down well with her not that i give a fig what she thinks
She feels shame for us because we won the war of liberation? Nice.
Now they say that they cant identify the remains of their soldiers on the islands!!
Unbelievable bollocks.
'How bad are we?' .... very bad
'Argentina has freedoms ... blah' ... no you don't. You cannot even buy dollars.
This is a global issue. WTF.
urm... yes, we're not still in 1833.
Lies.
Bollox. Nestor walked out of negotiations.
The dozy cow has now spoken about the self-defence of South America.
She's now trying to suggest that a Security Council member can ignore a UN resolution whilst another member can't.
She now wants to defend the United Nations.
She's now threatened economic warfare.
What a ramble. No credibility.
Very very funny...what a silly mad cow. What sort of country elected that??
And tomorrow the Falklands will still be a British Overseas Territory.
Hahahahahahaha
you have to see Chile's actions in the context of the importance of Argentina for Chile and that the FI is a non issue. I think the Chilean govt have calculated that Arg is not going to get anywhere with their claims, so Chile's bluff will not be called.
When most south America believes her lies,
She will be made a goddess next,
And all her indocronoughts will jump for joy,
Talk about crumbs of the table .
uk is FINISHED!
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS!
british pirates: OUT!
I'm still amazed this committee exists.
They're all just desperate to grab land off anyone they can do.
Here comes Brazil now, playing the same old record of please be nice to argentina... they wont shut up unless we get the Falklands for them
You are going to have a long, long, long, long wait, how does never, sound like to you. The Isrealis used to have a saying, Tomorrow in Jerusalem. They had that saying for nearly 2000 years before it came true. Here's one for you, Tomorrow in Puerto Argentina. Maybe in 2000 years, even then I doubt it. Just think of how many C24 meetings you can attend between now and then,
It just gives terrible governments a place to shout.
Also... Nicaragua calling CFK her excelency is just sad on so many levels
According to the web site, they are not. Anyone explain why they are there?
@107
That's a cracker!
Brazil is doing the same as Chile: supporting CFKs lost cause in exchange for concessions behind closed doors.
Nicaragua are hilarious. They're just hilarious.
He seems to think Argentina supports the rights of people, and their belief in pacific solutions (1983 Falklands War).
If this is what western taxpayers money is spent on I think maybe that Canadian MP had a point and it is time for us to rethink our membership or at least our financial contributions.
Unbelievable how this pans out. Its obviously the only way that countries like Syria can jump up and punch the Uk on the nose. anywhere and everywhere else Syria are shamed and embarrassed.
syrians saying that violence should not be used to solve issues. you couldnt make it up.
You might have a valid point there!
Anybody noticed the crashing sense of irony when the Syrian ambassador said he supported self-determination....bit rich coming from a country which currently is doing its damnedest to stop such a principle occurring within its own borders...
argentina's probably gonna start a new vendetta
Papua New Huinea just said the committee is a bag of sh!t... and will be marginalised because it doesn't actually do anything.
Well noticed.
Would have been nice for KFC to stay for the full meeting.
The two anglophone countries supporting FIG
The Russians and Chinese on the fence
The Latin American countries all supporting the resolution for dialogue.
very tribal.
Even their need to reiterate 'our latin america' ...i.e. anglos, get out.
Shame they're all poor, corrupt and have no human rights, eh.
Whilst Latam countries continue to be small fish they need to swim in a shoal for protection.
the Papua New guineans got this right. If this is the best that the Decolonisation committee can do then it is surely on its last legs.
The Rg Presidents utterances were no more than a ramble; it wasnt even a rant. It was incoherant, unstructured and made no significant points.
to ignore the Falkland Islanders was unforgivable and countries like Brazil need to be more statesman like than that.
Very poor display by a lot of countries. No wonder the US, UK, Germans, French, Canadians, australians and first world countries dont bother going.
He's not a Falklander though, he's an Argentine Mayor. I think he's a PNG in the Falklands.
Yes, GreekYoghurt also said something about Betts.
Apparently the Rattenbach report on Argentina's botched Falklands invasion hid name of a Falkland Islander who had collaborated with the invading forces.
Although Betts today didn't say more than he left the Falklands because he was discriminated against for his pro-Argentine views, obviously, if he was an overt collaborator with the invaders, he should have left with them. However, saying one agrees with the Argentine invaders implies agreeing with the fascist Military Junta as well.
However, Penguin News deputy editor John Fowler dished on Betts that he left his second wife and kids in the Falklands so he could take up with an Argentine woman.
More on Alejandro Betts:
en.mercopress.com/2007/01/29/former-islander-running-for-mayor-in-cordoba-village
John Fowler in El Penguin News responde a Alejandro Betts:
www.malvinense.com.ar/smalvi/11/2059.htm
No kelper, but I think there was a collaborator, who pointed out his neighbours to the enforcers of your Junta.
www.thefreelibrary.com/FALKLANDS+TRAITOR%3B+WAR+IN+THE+SOUTH+ATLANTIC%3A+25+YEARS+ON+EXCLUSIVE...-a0162771059
He left in 1982 and hasn't been back since.
Gordo(Telegraph)
”Just watching the debate from New York.
Alejandro Peck(Alexander Betts), born on the islands, is reading from his crib sheet and is spouting the most outrageous lies about Britain and the Falkland Islands. Pity we can't execute traitors anymore!”
even brazil, is tending to stagnate,
the bread basket of the world,
but at this rate, it wont be run by south Americans,
all that we ask for is the right to determine our own future without having to endure the belligerent and bullying tactics of a neighbouring country
this committee and its members are expected to adopt resolutions on the basis of an impartial and informed understanding of the issues. How can this Committee truly understand the issue and adopt resolutions when it has never officially visited our Islands?
Argentina has consistently attempted and, quite rightly failed to dilute the principle of self-determination under the United Nations Charter
History does not support Argentina and neither do any of the modern principles of the United Nations Charter
96% of the electorate wished to retain the status quo and remain as an Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom enjoying full internal Self Government while looking to the United Kingdom for guidance on its foreign policy and for its defence, such defence only being required because of the ongoing belligerence shown by our closest neighbour
there is one in the Argentine delegation today who has already declared this exhibition of self-determination to be illegitimate and not complying with international law. Perhaps he is suggesting that the United Nations Charter itself is illegal; because it supports the right of all peoples to determine their own future
Full transcript of statement below:
ukun.fco.gov.uk/en/news/?view=PressS&id=775826682
Brazil are the winners here. They give Argentina diplomatic support on this issue like a pimp gives drugs to a crack whore. Whilst at the same time furthering their own aim of joining the top table at the UN in the name of South America.
I'm not so sure. It was a very poor effort by the Brazilians. They did not act in a top table statesman like manner and will need to suck up to the UK if they want to join the ranks of the big boys. to not even acknowledge the presence of the Falklanders whilst fawning over that stupid mad cow was a disgrace and did not show Brazil up in a very good light. Even the russians and chinese were more circumspect.
Brazil obviously cannot be trusted to be even handed.
Thanks for the link John, I had looked for it, but failed to find it, I was just about to log off, when I saw your post.
Really glad I watched it, funniest thing I've seen in a while. The sad thing is that it makes a mockery of the UN.
Anyway, can't wait to see what the British media make of the C24.
@166 I'd concur. Brazil came over as a bit of a limp lettuce dry humping someone's leg. They should do better than be involved in this curious meeting.
At least the russians, chinese, Papas and Leoners were mildly statesmanlike.
The sun rises on the British Falkland Islands again tomorrow.
It's easy to see why he's bitter though. He turned his back on everyone he knew and loved and he lost them all. Now he is just a bitter old man talking a foreign language and making statements he knows to be untrue, based upon the fact he never saw his grandchildren grow up.
Sad furk really.
Look at it from Brazil’s position. They can get good millage out of Argentina on this issue, what can Brazil get from the UK?
A seat at the top table of the UN.
The UK can't give them that
Brazil must prove that she is adult and grown up enough, to join the top table,
They cannot have a powerful nation like a future brazil running amok, supporting all and sundry with a dictatorship,
Its not all about power, it has other merits, like looking after your own people, human rights, respecting the rights of others, supporting democracy, ect ect .
If brazil cannot stand up, for this position, there are others that may well stand in .
If south America cannot stabilise its self, without the dangers of internal conflict, or territorial aggression, then it is going nowhere but backwards,
No one is perfect, but if you give the impression that you are, then you back it up, must you not .
absolutely agree. there were a few nations there that did not do themselves any favours, particularly when they know that nothing is going to change. they just couldnt help themselves.
there will be some extremely poor writeups on some of these nations and I suspect a behind the scenes effort to totally revamp or get rid of this biased committee.
this is what happens when you allow nations with extremely poor corporate governance to be given a voice and some authority.
They blow it spectacularly.
absolutely disgraceful. their treatment of the Falkland Islanders was absolutely horrendous. what price human rights?
Are you talking about the Falklands that the UK has claimed since 1765 when Argentina didn't even exist and Vernet asked for British acceptance of his community?
If you leave your house to go on holiday and then come back to find squatters have got into your house, then you eject them. We simply ejected squatters.
It's not our fault that you think history didn't exist before 1833.
Keep it in perspective.
If I understand it right all this resolution requests is that the UK sits down and talks to Argentina.
If the UK decides to win some Brownie points, they can say ok, sit down, draw out the discussion for 3 years and then say, oh, the islanders aren’t interested and the UN says we must respect their right to self-determine. End of story.
Can you imagine the discussion? It would be absolutely cringeworthy. The Argentines would totally embarrass themselves and would walk out when they didnt get their way.
But it is funny to watch UN utter crap... knowing Ban Ki Moon does nothing.
I dont know what nationality you are but your understanding of the British is limited, if you honestly think we would sit down and talk at the behest of that flea circus, you know nothing about us.
Usual cr*p
Who precisely was ejected in 1833, there are ships manifests saying who was sent away and it was only 2 families who asked to leave, and the military. So who are these 15'000 people?
I guess you're not very intelligent if you believe what you're saying.
there is only a need for weapons to stop you from invading the territory once more. You know as well as I do that Argentina has no legal claim on the Falklands. the sad truth for you lot is that you now know that you will never get a hold of the Falklands. Its just not going to happen for you.
The weapons are there becasue of 1982. There weren't weapons there before 1982. The are a 100 reasons whey the islands belong to the islanders. Just don't believe the nonsense you learn in school in Argentina.
Does one believe in democracy,
Did one signed up to the UN in good faith, and thus should respect the rights and self determination of others, [without nick picking bits and pieces]
If one declares that they have to much land, then why steal from others,
Argentina, [as far as I know] has massive recourses,,
Would it not be better that she concentrated on these, rather that others.
There is absolutely no need for any of this,
If one want peace, then [Spain] ad [argentina] should respect, the islanders wishes, allow them to rule them selves without threats or hindrances,,
And we can all get on with out lives, if Britain was more assertive in its response; we would not be here now,
So quiet frankly, to leave others in peace, and to concentrate on ones own problems,
Thus seeking help and advise, rather than greed and aggressive,
None of this would be happening .
Would it .
I am Chilean (the clue is in the name...never mind).
I am not saying you do sit down, I am saying If...If the UK decides to win some Brownie points.
If the UK wanted to shut them all up they could just take this easy route. It is one of the options open that would silence CFK for , well...maybe a few minutes.
falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/06/14/the-falklands-response-to-the-c24/
No government in the world would engage in talks with another party who has the outcome of those talks enshrined in their constitution, it is nonsense. Then there is the small matter that the other party refuses even to recognise the existence of the very people who are going to figure enormously in those talks.
Hmmmm... that's not ideal.
(Did anyone forget they have starving native children in Argentina??)
Argentina are not aligning themselves with Syria. The Syria rep supported the motion of the committee.
That is like saying the UK has aligned itself with Sierra Leaone becasue they opposed the motion.
Sadly they seem to have all forgotten the people on the islands.... in fact they don't seem to care about the people on the islands.
Do they care about humans? I doubt it.
or speed dating for dictators at one point i thought it was in danger of breaking into an all night orgy there was that much c*ck sucking going on.
I always thought and believed it to be well understood that the Chilean people were friendly toward the islanders. I would be amazed if their wasnt a change in UK Chilean relations after this. Absolutely shocking, two faced doesnt even begin to describe it. At least we know where we stand with the Argentinians. What a bunch of arse licking back stabbers you are!
you can twist it any way you like. It will be perceived that Chile, Brazil, Russia, china, Syria, cuba, venezuela - almost all who have questionable human rights supported the Argentines. The only one missing was Iran.
Chile did itself no favours and a country that was once perceived to be a friend of the UK's wont be perceived as that now.
chile did itself no favours here at all.
For the second time, I am not saying they should.
I am saying IF they wanted to, starting a dialogue wouldn’t commit them to agreeing an outcome.
200 GY
I did listen. He was talking nonsense about the UK launching missiles from the FI.
That doesn’t mean Arg is aligned with Syria. It means on this minor committee Syria supports the Arg position.
To be honest, the best way to shut up the Argies is to keep the status-quo until the falklands are sizeable, then wait for the argies to invade again and then just 'ruin' them.
“Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” - Albert Einstein. The definition of an Argie, as they cannot help themselves from having a quick invade.
Thanks for the insult.
If you read any of the posts I have made on this thread or others you would see that I, like many Chileans support the islanders.
I have explained Chile’s position previously, why don’t you read the posts above before insulting me.
204 Cestrian
Chile and the UK have excellent relations. The UK fully understands Chile’s position and knows it. It was announced months ago, so it is no surprise to the UK. You can’t put Chile in that list of nations. By every UN and OECD measure Chile ranks as highly as the UK in terms of human right, freedom of the press, level of corruption and crime.
205 GY
You can’t really expect Chile to jeopardise its most important trade relationship over a non issue (in the sense that it will come to nothing). The UK wouldn’t do it either.
Anyways, I'll say again... thanks no-balls.
I'd be interested, after what has been said tonight whether the UK would support Chile now in this conflict;
www.bernama.com/bernama/v6/newsworld.php?id=673018
the RG's have done you no favours and it looks like once more another binding agreement is nothing of the sort when it comes to South America.
The chilean language tonight was a shock. they seemed to revel in supporting Argentina at the expense of the UK.
Politics is a dubious business, we all know that, but the events of this committee have genuinely shocked those who saw it in operation.
It was frankly appalling and simply unforgivable the way the south american nations went on. This behaviour wont be forgotten by those Brits who witnessed it.
That would be fun to watch.
The countries who lined up to support RG Land simply went too far. It was no more than bullying and an attempt, backed by the whole of south america, for RG Land to ethnically cleanse the islands.
We all know that the Rg word means absolutely nothing, less than nothing and the way they all stood around with such relish and lobbed the boot in on the islanders was frankly beyond words.
the bias simply went too far.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9333049/Cristina-Kirchner-attacks-UK-decision-to-fly-Falklands-flag-on-30th-anniversary-of-surrender.html
In general Chileans don't seem to support Argentina in much at all.
Nothing has been achieved by CFKC attending the C24 committee meeting except I think her chances of making shed-loads of money on the speaking circuit when she is out of office have been permanently scuppered.
As I said this won’t change anything in the UK-Chile relationship.
Chile is the closest ally the UK has down here.
Ask the Islanders on this forum what they think of the Chileans who live on the islands (10% of the population) and about their experiences/links with Chile.
www.periodicotribuna.com.ar/11592-nuevo-cacerolazo-contra-la-corrupcion-seguilo-en-vivo.html
That is why she is doing it.
The more she can hype this issue up the more she can drown out the protests.
Yes, a very good point as she has yet to make a official statement about the cacerolazo ! exception to one of her representatives saying they are not worried about the protests..
There is an easy fix there....dig em up...ship em back....
That's when you know, the UN is dying.
www.facebook.com/Britain1592
the mold has set,
and the UN should be, [but wont be] ashamed, it has lost all respect, from freedom and democracy,
and the countries that suported CFK are as guilty as she is, in this sham,
chile cannot keep saying, its not us, bla bla , we need argetina, .
its your goverment,, whether you like it or not, and there is no exuse to suport illigal activity, bulying threats and abuse,
@98 The best part is that you know he's a wanker. I know he's a wanker. Everybody knows he's a wanker. He probably knows he's a wanker. And yet he keeps on wan****. That's commitment. In fact, I think he should be committed as soon as possible. If he hasn't been already.
@141 No speaky de Chinky. Ah so!
@148 Where's Briyain?
@154 Who cares? If one did it was probably just some slimy turncoat traitor. Like that bloke Bingham. There's a real sh*te. Peck Jr is much the same. But there are undoubtedly cells, or ropes, waiting for both of them.
@178 Good point. IF I lived in a building and an armed gang came along whilst I was out and occupied my apartment, when I came back I'd shoot them through the head. Aren't you glad that, in 1833, the British weren't like me?
@185 The colony wasn't Legal Argentina. It was Illegal Squatter on British territory. Do you know how to tell time in YEARS? Can you understand that all the YEARS between 1690 and 1776 came BEFORE 1833? But I do like your arithmetic. Four civilians left the Falkland Islands in 1833 of their own volition. I reckon to turn that into 15,000 they'd have to have been at it like rabbits. No doubt you can prove your figues and assertions, muppet. You know, birth, marriage and death certificates. Let's see 'em!
I see that most of the brainvashed Brutish turnips are quite shocked after hearing with their own ears what the true position of Chile, Brazil and the rest of Latin America is, in respect of the Malvinas issue.........
today we beat sweden
yesterday, CFK made herself look like a fool.
today, she is still a fool.
notice the difference,
[no, mmm]
Here's a prediction for you. In 25 years time Argentina will exist and will be governing Las Malvinas. The main British economic activity will consist of the Brits spending their days dumpster diving.
Will you come back in 25 years, and prove that statement,
Argentina has been around less than 200 years,
The British have been around over 2,000 years
We thinks we will stick to reality, and not your fantasy,
Besides if that Mayan prophecy comes true, you will all be dead by 21 dec 2012,
And we will still be here .lol
.
My, my David really got to you didn't he. The PM was simply stating the truth, hurts does is it not? Falklands in 25 years? dream on, if it helps dealing with your frustration at reaching for something you can never have. I sympathise with you. Wishing for the Falklands, it must be like searching for the fountain of youth or seeking the secret of immortality?
if she thought the secret of immortality
was in the desert somwhere,
she might get lost for a couple of decades .
worth a try .
BLOW YOUR HEAD OFF....NOTHING WHAT YOU HAVE SAID WILL HAPPEN...I REPEAT THE UK BARKS WHEN THE US TELL THEM TO BARK....SO SHUT UP IMBECIL ...
Against this, the United Kingdom is a long-standing, never-conquered democracy, a powerful member of the United Nations, a permanent member of the security council, an EU member, a NATO member, a Commonwealth member and a respected member of the international community.
Despite many attacks on the UK by terrorists et al over the years, including the attempted assassination of the Prime Minister, the UK did not give in to terrorists and those using force to achieve their aims. We never give in and we never give up.
The Falkland Islands is an overseas territory of the UK, and this will remain so. Perhaps it is time to incorporate the Falklands into the United Kingdom itself (as an autonomous entity), and remove any doubt that Argentina may have as to our position, or that of our British Citizens in residence there.
One begins to experience serious fatigue listening to the 'macho-moaning' emanating from Queen Christina and Lapdog Timerman. It is only a matter of time before they fade into irrelevance with this broken record.
The wise thing to do (explains why they haven't done it!), would have been to woo the islanders ... but that would have required patience, something Argentina is short of, along with food, jobs, diplomacy, as well as foresight and hindsight.
Argentina is an aggressor. It knows no other way, and cannot demonstrate otherwise.
Not true miss Sussie if your referring to the war in Iraq for example it was actually Tony B who stated we had unfinished business with Saddam, but Bush being Bush came in and took all the credit despite him being the effective poodle of Blair's foreign policy.
LET conQUEERRRRR ANSWER MY COMMENT.
SO FAR conQUEEERRR DOES NOT LIKE ME BECAUSE I FOUND HIS FRIENDS FROM CORNWALL, ENGLAND, SELLING THE CORNISH PASTRIES IN PHOENIX...hahaha
What a wonderful way of informing me that I replied to your comment. I was unaware my Question was directed at Mr Conqueror, I do apologise Miss Sussie. My point is still relevant though it was Tony Blair who inspired many including your former President Bush that Saddam had to go, however Bush being Bush took all the credit and made it an American operation. So I think you will find that Britain doesn't bark when the US says, on the contrary it was the opposite in this case.
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