Chavez praises defence cooperation with Argentina, making Mercosur a military power block
President Hugo Chavez underlined the significance of the defence cooperation memorandum signed between Venezuela and Argentina which is part of “the necessary strategic integration of the armed forces in the framework of Mercosur and turning the block into a military power”.
“It is an important strategic alliance to lift the immense offensive, dissuasive capacity from the block which begins at the Caribbean and reaches Patagonia and the Argentine Malvinas Islands, which are now our Islas Malvinas, they are now a regional claim”, underlined Chavez.
Last Friday the defence ministers from Argentina and Venezuela signed in the port of La Guaira on board Argentina’s tall ship ARA Libertad a memorandum of understanding which refers to the training, capability and military manufacturing technology as part of the “necessary strategic integration of the Armed Forces in the framework of Mercosur”.
During a military ceremony over the weekend at the Military University, Chavez also underlined the significance of Venezuela‘s incorporation to Mercosur, the block which he also described as “a military power in the region”.
Chavez boasted that despite repeated efforts from the Venezuelan bourgeois and the Paraguayan congress, “they missed the shot because now we are the Armed Forces of Mercosur: a great economic and geo-political impact for the region to help defend our resources, combat colonialism”.
However the Venezuelan leader also spoke about the need to consolidate the region as a democratic, anti-colonialist space of democracies where the peoples prevail.
“We must consolidate a great peace zone in the Caribbean and in South America; a zone of democracy where never again will there be military coups, or invasion or imperialisms, but also a space where only our peoples in their most pure democratic expression and through legitimate governments can decide their future”.








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Well NATO better look out! I mean two South American countries with crap military's, ooh scared!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! LMAO!
All we are saying is give peace a chance.
Laughable!
This is just Chavez sounding off on the world stage as usual.
I bet other Mercosur members are already rolling their eyes and worrying about that idiot.
Chavez supported Saddam Hussein, and recently sent a message of love and support to his good friend Gaddafi. How did that work out Hugo?
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To be fair, half of the actual warship (i.e. frigate and above and submarines) fleet would be considerably harder to sink. Anyone who wanted to would have to get them out of mothballs or five-year-long-overhauls first.
But no mention of the only colony in South America, French Guiana!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Guiana
What have they got that we want?
Or should we just support Colombia to absorb Ven?
Pity the long suffering Venezuelan people.
In an interview with a local Venezuelan television station on Friday, Chavez dismissed the allegations he posed any danger.
The Venezuela of today is no threat to anyone, he said.
It has all been a hoax by the imperialists and global far right: that uranium is being enriched in Venezuela, that we're setting up missiles here, that we're supporting terrorism.
af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFBRE86D01X20120714
What is the tactical value of having a military bloc within a military bloc?
Presumably the Mercosur military bloc can go to war without reference to Unasur.
CFK/Chavez might decide to 'tidy-up' frontier anomalies -
reverting PA and UR to Argentina & Brasil, thereby reducing the number of SA countries by two, by 'unification'.
They might also decide to use the combined might of the Mercosur AR/BR/VE ( with 'guest appearence' from the Cuban military) military machines to swamp and finish off the Falkland Islands once and for all. This would be not too difficult, as the UK would not use nuclear weapons. This could only be countered by third party support - USA, FR, NATO,etc.
Russia and China would, as usual, stop the UN from intervening.
Definitely the end of a brighter future for the big beasts of South America, and a worrying time for the 'minnows'.
@10 mercosur could not finish off the Falklands. Whether or not the UK would use nuclear weapons is open to question. But the RAF and RN could finish off argieland, brazil and venezuela with no problem. Nice change of pace. RAF flying from Ascension Island and the Falklands with tanker support. RN with Tomahawk Land Attack cruise missiles. Little naval opposition. Especially with our 80mph torpedos and helicopter-carried anti-ship missiles. All operated by combat-experienced veterans. Opposed by amateurs. WE need to operate properly this time. Leave nothing afloat or capable of flying.
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I'd be worried if I were a malvinista, Chavez has a history of backing losers.
He also wants 'Gringo' out of French Guyana and the Dutch Antilles.
ps Mercosur is a trade bloc. Some Europeans have tried to turn a European trade bloc into a political alliance, and it has not worked conspicuously well so far.
I do wonder what the average Argentine thinks of CFKChavez throwing their army in with Hugo. In the past when I asked Argentines about Chavez and his appearances at Mercosur summits they general answer was that he is a clown with a big ego. The word 'clown' came up a lot.
Tin pot alliance of paper tigers
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H.Chaves' granddad was Military General interested on paramilitary actions
H.Chaves' dad was Military General interested on logistic bulwarks.
Chávez's father was a teacher and his grandfather was certainly not in the army. His great-great-grandfather served as a soldier in the army of the 19th-century federalist general Ezequiel Zamora.
personal opinion they are both worried about a coup with their own people..
A couple of frigates and some old Mirages?
Decleration of war?
Americans opinion will harden towards Argentiona as a result of this, especially if Barrack Obamo loses the up comming election. A republican government will not be so soft on Latam countires which are showing a move to militirisation.
BTW, Mercosur was thought as a trade union between 4 of the SA countries, which never worked because the difference between them.....and right now, with the suspension of Paraguay and the future inset of Venezuela the block had set its deadline. At the other side, the Pacific Allience is growing up keeping its main principle: the economic development of its citiziens....with no military policies included...
Chavez & Fernandez are using the Mercosur for selfish political needs, one is trying to obatin a 4 th or 5th term at the office and the other to hide the fall of her Gvt. economic strategy.....too speedy...!! Unfortunately, they are involving the remaining SA countries in the issue....
What new agreements? Argentine military academies have been training Latin American cadets for years. There is nothing new here. I have no idea what was the purpose of the Argentine Defense Minister to Venezuela, but only speculation on my part. Maybe it was as a personal envoy to convey the message to cool it with Syria and Iran. Maybe to acquire the aging 21 F-16 that Venezuela has, something that the US would be interested in since Chavez is threatening to send them to Iran. Argentina has to retire the fleet of Mirage F-III in two years’ time regardless if they have a replacement or not.
All the posters talking about a potential Argentine military intervention in the Falklands (Malvinas,) get real! With what? With the Argentine “dis-armed” forces? Even if Argentina had a modern one, it is unconstitutional. The Argentine Constitution (1994) establishes very clearly that the claim should be pursued peacefully through international organizations respecting the Kelpers way of life. If Argentina decided to use force, anyone can go to any court, which would have no choice but to rule the act unconstitutional unleashing a constitutional crisis in a middle of a war. That scenario is just crazy. Argentina will have to amend its Constitution first. This is a process of at least two years which includes a national referendum.
Thats all great in the modern civilised world, but your forgetting that Turkey neck makes it up as she goes along, you know like all those peaceful Argentine farmers and villagers the British were meant to have sent packing when we colonised the Falklands, which she spluttered out with her rubber lips to the UN last month. She is a dictator in the making and she wont let the law or the constitution get in the way of her key ambition, which is to take the Falklands back for Argentina. We need to be fully prepared for her and Chavez to increase their aggressive agenda. Before the end of her political career, either she will have destroyed Argentina or we will, because she will definitely try something which will spark a war - she is reckless.
Who is militarising the south Atlantic now then,
But should we be nervous of this new and growing powerful defence pact,
Mmm [NO]
But to be fair, if eye was a South American country,
Especially if CFK or Hugo the bear, does not like you,
Or you have pissed or defied them lately,
,,,,,,,,
Then yes, I would be nervous, very nervous,
Remember after dropping the brits for the deadly duo,[batman and cat woman ]
Who then will come to your defence, if indeed you need us, let alone, want us,
After they have finished with you,
Soon, if the deadly due get there way,
South America may well shake in its boots,
Especially if [Robin] comes on board,
But then again, robin AKA Brazil, is meant to be going straight,
We will see,
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Please read up on Argentina and its history before making uninformed statements.
Wikipedia written are not true.
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Chavez is a clown, imho. However, Venezuela has the largest oil reserves in the world. Argentina has the land and water supply, it is an agricultural powerhouse. In addition, they keep drilling for oil in Patagonia and keep striking underground rivers. Argentina can double its arable land. Brazil has 200 million people. If Bolivia, with the second largest natural gas reserves in South America, becomes a full member of Mercosur! Wow! Do not forget that Argentina has the third largest shale natural gas and lithium reserves in the world. With food stuff, water supply, and fuel in abundance, the economic future is ours. We do not need to embark in military adventures.
The future should be set up on merely industrial production not on sponge and ready made sources like oil,gas,mines which produce only elite oligarcs never able to feed the wide range people....
We have to imitate Chinese,Japanese,Germans,French not Arabs,Russians,Anglo Culture..
Has anyone heard of the dozens of trials going on in Argentina. Most of the members of the military regime and repressors have either passed away of natural causes or are in jail for human rights crimes. These trials are still taking place.
The good news is all that lithium on hand to treat the bi-polar idiot President.
French Guiana is around 400 miles away from Venezuela, yet Chavez is very concerned and is making noise about the oil rich Falkland Islands which are over 4000 away, its very suspicious.
I'm pretty sure the Argentina has agreed to split the FI oil revenues with any countries that helps them successfully invade. They don't give a toss about the people that live in the FI...
Who is idiot ?
She lives in Casa Rosada !
Where do you live ?
krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/03/down-argentina-way/
Without access to fuel, there is no industrialization. Regardless, I’m adamant against the re-reelection of CFK.
Argentina GDP
2003 = 150
2012 = 413
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Milliones de Pesos Corrientes
2003 = 327.362
2012 = 1.959.800
YOU ARE NOT FOXY.
YOU ARE NOTHING MORE THAN A LUNATIC.
YOU ARE NOT A VIP.
YOU HAVE LIED SAYING HAVING CONNECTIONS IN SKY HARBOR INT. AIRPORT, TEMPE, AZ, USA.
I REPEAT, MIND YOU OWN COUNTRY.
MY COUNTRY ARGENTINA IS A PEACEFUL COUNTRY AND HAVE NO INTENTIONS TO INITIATE ANY WAR. REMEMBER MY COUNTRY IS ANTI-BRITISH, SO ACCEPT THE FACTS.
STOP IT NOW OR BLOW YOUR HEAD OFF!
Agreed his views are extreme but your wrong when you imply your president isnt war mongering, thats exactly what she is doing. She will get you into more trouble than you can imagine. Chavez is viewed worldwide asa despot and she is making him her partner in crime. You should be very concerned.
And she was not elected by dint of her own intelligence. In fact she was only meant to stand in for Nestor for one term with him telling her what to do. You know, maybe we underestimated Nestor. Maybe he knew she was a megalomanic and that is why he 'controlled' her. When he died the monster was unleashed.........
How many times has your constitution, been altered?
[ok clever]
Defence cooperation,
Your interpretation is what, then,
[What dictatorship ]
]how many times did Briton mention dictatorship ]
One two three , [or not once mentioned]
Please read making uninformed statements.
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It’s a blog,
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so it starts! the point of no return has just been passed, this now has to escalate, just remember what ever happens at the falklands WILL happen in taiwan and other smaller neighbours orbitting despots countrys, expect other non-regional countries to join the latin lynch mob.
Argentina will be responsible for another appaulling war on a huge scale, UNs lack of resolve in the first place will cost the lives of many, how ironic.....
take carefull note,
a legal pact it may not be, in your eyes,
but these two have joined inwhat could well become south americas downfall,
and it will happen, one way or another,
we have no idea what was behind this talking,
but you can be bloody sure, it was not the christmas present list .
Argentine Foreign minister Tinnermann The Argentine Republic respects resolutions of the United Nations that say that the issue of the Falklands/malvinas is an issue between Great Britain and The Argentine republic, therefore, what Argentina respects is the law that says that Argentina and the United Kingdom should sit and have dialogue
where does it say escalate tensions by bringing despot countries into the dispute in a bid for land and resource grab thus ignoring the UN law it claims to respect.
[well, thats enough about us, and now the rest ????
Fregapani is obviously a paranoid fool. It is beyond any reasonable doubt that neither the United States nor the United Kingdom is a potential enemy of Brazil. Now go back to your Civilization V marathon.
Elaine: You're so full of hate its unreal. Don't you remember Nestor saying that Cristina would make an even more accomplished President than him. I agree with him, while your analysis sounds more like a personal grudge, what is it are you jealous of her beauty?!
@35 As Britworker has pointed out, and I have said above, CFK pays no attention to your constitution or laws if they are inconvenient.
@40 Wow!! All those goodies and argieland is still broke and still has 30% inflation.
@43 They are best known as scapegoats. What about the 40 million argie war criminals that have yet to be even named?
@47 Figures from Indec, we presume. Therefore lies. Throw in the 30% inflation. No, pal, your on the skids. How come you're desperately trying to find dollars?
You need to take those rose-tinted government spectacles off. Just look at the dumbass @60. He's myopic, senile and suffers from dementia. He's also got a brown face. Comes of trying to get his nose and his tongue up CFK's ass at the same time! Don't be like him, he's a sad little cretin.
Unfortunately many Argentines are inculcated with false histories and false enemies from an early age and this makes them proud owners of victim complexes and large but paper-thin egos. I would like to see Argentina thrive and grow to an extent that justifies such large egos. I really would.
If CFKC were even slightly capable of doing the job it wouldn't much matter what she looked like. But, as BK brings it up all the time, she is as ugly on the outside as she is on the inside.
#64 If you think the IMF are imaginary enemies of a developing coiuntry like Argentina you're ignoring all the national and international evidence otherwise; that is the political basis of our differences methinks. So I can take back the bit about jealousy. I do agree with you on one thing though. She is as ugly on the outside as on the inside - ie not at all =)
You really should go to Specsavers. Even some Kirchnerite friends think she wears the make-up of the local good-time girl and looks like she has dressed in her daughter's clothes by mistake.
It will be interesting to see if they are still K supporters when I get back to Argentina. Last emails I noticed a distinct waivering of conviction. They are really suffering the effects of inflation, crime increase and mightily pissed off about the restrictions on dollars.
Can't understand why you think she is good looking.
-she's not.
Also cannot understand how you think that she's doing a good job for Argentina.
-she's not.
Love is blind, l suppose.
You then know her daughter, to see the future then,
But alas
beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and not the beholder ,
Is this not true .
Jennifer Anniston,
Is better looking, perhaps ..
Madonna is an ugly old bag just like Kretina.
Now let's get down to cases; I am not a conservative, I would place myself in the political spectrum at about 3/5 left wing, that is why I cannot support Kretina.
Her policies are making Argentines poorer day by day, to the middle class this is a bad scene, but to the really poor, it means DEATH.
That is why this leech has to go!!!!!
BBC News
17 July 2012
The abuse of power by the Venezuelan government under President Hugo Chavez has increased over the past four years, according to Human Rights Watch.
READ MORE:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-18867310
The argentine people need to wake up.
Before there deluded empress makes another mistake .
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Do you think Madonna is some sort of leader? By the way she is just as ugly as your skank!
And you have a very odd fashioned view of what a beautiful women is. Try to see the heavy cosmetic surgery and Botox and you might understand why women like this are avoided.
The UK royals, the Queen, Camilla and skinny Kate don't have sexy looks. These women looks are like second class citizens, very passe.
you cant stalk CFK she belongs to BK ,
so watch it .
What could I have expected from such a pair of dolts? It's not a beauty contest you idiots. Winston Churchill was no model nor was Golda Meir but they both had something Cristina the skank will never have. I won't embarrass you by telling you what that is. Sfloozy, I thought you were going to jump off a bridge somewhere?
There is Miss Isolda again trying to show Zhivago really worth to keep in the payroll.
Gee, you wish to look like her , have her clothes, and have millons to spend.
Poor Miss Isolda, la sueca no vale nada.
Que?
l am not a Miss,
Don't want to look like her,
Have plenty of clothes,
Don't have millions but l do have thousands(maybe even tens of thousands!, l don't know for sure!),
Can buy what l like.
l'm not Swedish.
And you?
Will you speak gibberish for the rest of your life, oh wrinkley one?
Remember, we have a photo of you now!
@83 Zhivago,
Depends.
What can you do?
To remove person or persons who are considered a danger to the integrity and independence of the United States of America,
The CIA homeland security and the FBI, along with Interpol and Scotland yard, will continue to track and stop all anti Americanism where it is found,
Are you anti American, miss?
Our agents will be watching you, but you will never know,
Who, what, why, when, or how, .
Good day to you,
Agent 002……………..
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@85 briton
Hahahahhahahhha I can't stop laughing, you both old idiots trying to scare me?
Hey, by the way, I am not spanish argentinian, I am italian argentinian, and all the physical description I gave you is incorrect. I am not 5'8' or 130 lbs.
You ignorants guys needs to learn about my legal rights before open your ignorants assholes mouths.
anti-american? Do you mean North, Central and South? No. Don't put words on my mouth.
What are you waiting to file charges if your have a complaint to file against me? Hey, I am not like Think, or any other person you might like to scare.
You sound desperate because you violated my privacy releasing sensitive information about me in this web page, my financial information, medical information, all obtained from trasspassing my website account.
My telephone company called me saying that 2 telephones calls were obtained by you guys. My phone number has been changed.
That is also accountable for trasspasing my privacy.
All of the above constitutes a violation of the USA Privacy Act which does not permit third parties to disclosed my personal financial information or any other type of sensitive information in this website.
If you have any charges against me, go head, make my day. I gave you until
July 31, 2012 to file in COURT any complaint you have against me.
I am not scare of anything.
So don't scare me with you titles. HAAAAHHHAAAHHHA.
You guys are nothing more than THE BIGGEST ASSHOLES 'AGENTS'.
Susanita Brown won't go away. No one scare this brave unique argentinian citizen.
Viva Argentina!
what do you say, mr jeckle,
we agree mr hide,
you definetly cannot scare a crow .
and you cannot frighten a ghost,
but you can, crack a nut .lololol
You're an Italian now, well I'm sure that accounts for the smell and the excess of hair under your arms, on your legs, and well, other places. If people want to file charges against you they can do it when they want. I believe the statute of limitations in this case is at least ten years, I know its longer than a month so stop threatening people and telling them to sue you. You told all of us about two weeks ago that you weren't going to post anymore. Nobody could accuse you of not being Argentine because you certainly are a liar! Mentirosa!
#79 For once I agree with you =) At least about Cristina. Kate may be OK, early days yet, and the Queen's a bit old to asses that way one way or the other (even for me lol!)
Because it demonstrates an inferiority complex the Queen as you call her is nothing more then a single minded politician with her own ends and desires to fill. She is not perfectly comfortable with her own personality so she hides behind her declining looks. Mr British Kirchnerist she is a politician not a stateswomen she is not the god you make her out to be she is a human being and as a result she suffers from the same condition we all have: Self preservation, she will ensure that her interests will always come first.
And no doubt you will reply with some sort of pathetic lob sided comment like ”not Christina, not my queen she is passionate and wonderful.......etc. Your comments of total support are pathetic and really quite irritating especially to those who live under her rule everyday, Simon for example, you however can idolise her as a God, because you don't know what its like to be in Argentine, and your comments will obviously upset and annoy those who feel that she is no good as they are experiencing it, not you. Stop commentating on her its rather dull and if you really are British then you should see that this women and her flunkies are harassing our fellow countrymen everyday, who comes first the leader of a bullying country or your own people? She is purposely trying to make their lives as uncomfortable as possible and continues beating the nationalist line to divert attention away from her own failings, you seem to forget that the Argie economy has inflation figures exceeding 30%, slowing growth, poverty etc, etc, etc, however everyones issues and attention is quickly diverted with a few words: Las Malvinas Son Argentines. See my point, I mean do you remember that certain train crash a while back? How may died? Were is the money she promised for transport infrastructure? Oh she was banging the nationalist drum- thats not queen like behaviour as you describe her, its opportunistic and you should realise it. Put your own country first, not her.
l think that its time to move in on SussieUS.
l've got her new phone number.
What back up do you need?
Maybe we could get some Aliens to abduct her.
Even they wouldn't want the fruit loop.
Keep me posted. over & out.
So surveillance from Interpol may be required,
002..
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He is a very clever boy ??..isn't he !!
www.johanneswilm.org/
Very nice,,
But we don’t think SussieUS will be happy with you,
Get ready for the insults to fly,
Calling her a boy,, wonders never cease
Yes, I am italian argentinian and my maiden name is italian, I am 5'6” and 25 lbs overweight that's is why I am in the Gold Gym all the time. Most of all the information given in this web page is false. This prove you guys are not spies, just simple minded assholes.
I won't go away, I protect my country Argentina all the way!
You were the one who said they were going away.
You are a fruit loop.
We're still watching you.
You can't escape.
You can run but you can't hide.
Agent 002, this is more serious than we thought.
We'll have to get the ltalian Secret Service involved.
lt looks like she's their baby.
o & o.
has been informed,
this spy will be caught .
You guys are the best clowns in the world!
I can't stop laughing at you!
Catch me, if you can....hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaha
Now isn't that better than all the hatred & stupidity you posted before?
Maybe we can have normal discussion now.
Regards, l.M.
hear hear .
Don't hold your breath, SusieUS may be as well protected as a certain Italian international terrorist killer, currently residing in Brasil, courtesy of Dilma.
read what 102 GeoffWard2 ,,,,,,says
she could be helped by a certian argentine femal leader,
operating the ODESSA File .
has lost respect,
and has no power.
Electronic survellaince is restricted on USA citizens by the Fourth Amedment of the US Constitution which cannot gather information through communication intercepts. If the US Dept.of Justice needs the use of intercepts, 3 steps are involved in the process:
1) An Affidavit is submitted to the Dept. Of Justice by an investigative or law inforcement officer detailing the facts of the case.2) An application is filed by the US Attorney to the court detailing the legal basis for the intercept.3) A set of orders is submitted by the Court to the investigative or law enforcement officer authorizing the intercept.
While the USA goverment can obtained my telephone calls and surveillance of my whereabouts such information is kept as a
CONFIDENTIAL MATTER, AND CANNOT BE DISCLOSED TO ANY ONE.
I repeat, you cannot traspass my privacy releasing information about me thru this web page.
Is clear to me, that all of you are nothing more than an incompetent UK team of assholes called bloody rubish agents
not a single 'agency' ... MI5, MI6, military, police, 'homeland defence', CIA, FBI, covert overseas entity, etc ... has approached me to join their team.
I stand, pregnant with expectation, waiting to be picked,
but I imagine - like the fat boy hoping to be chosen on the school playing field - I will forever be relegated to the team of one ..... the 'solus poster'.
We can bypass all this legal mumbo-jumbo Soozy, because B.Obama is my uncle. l get preferential treatment.
You had better stop swearing young woman or you will be drugged & delivered to the Little-Worthington-Without Ladies' Auxillery Needlework Association.
They will know what to do with you.
For the runaway spy,
The good news, the homeland security has found your settlement papers,
The bad news is ,
They are deemed to be a forgery,
They will be contacting you soon.
002
Mrs. Isolda needs to stop using her toothbrush for masturbation trying to reach a volcanic type organ to make sense. I am sure old briton can streched his social finger 5,000 miles away and give her a chance to relieve her sexuals
needs.
By the way, you all have my address here in Tempe, Arizona, USA. So far, no ones has knock my door...HiiiiiiiHI
You guys are a joke and all of you belongs in a Zoo!
She still cant even read, for Christ’s sake,
[reply 110]
Did not mention the name SussieUS once]
So again the indoctrinated, ASSUMES that people are talking about her,
The world does not revolve around you miss woozier,
You insult, as if you hate the world, and blame us for your bad, sad, mad, upbringing.
So please go find some people that find to interesting,
Instead of stalking all the brits,
And stay out of our game of spies .lol.
Mad as a meat ant, as the Aussies say.
l'd say we should just ignore the cretin from now on.
from today
she is in coventry .
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