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Chavez praises defence cooperation with Argentina, making Mercosur a military power block
President Hugo Chavez underlined the significance of the defence cooperation memorandum signed between Venezuela and Argentina which is part of “the necessary strategic integration of the armed forces in the framework of Mercosur and turning the block into a military power”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesMilitary Power Block?
Jul 16th, 2012 - 07:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well NATO better look out! I mean two South American countries with crap military's, ooh scared!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! LMAO!
So much for the demilitarisation of the Americas!
Jul 16th, 2012 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0All we are saying is give peace a chance.
Laughable!
Been reading some interesting stuff on the US state department website about Venezuela being an 'interlocutor' for Argentina in passing nuclear technology to Iran. The Argies are doing themselves no favours at all with this alliance with Venezuela, they have rubbished their so called 'Malvinas'cause for good, put an end to Mercosur and now Fernandez is set to be as big a concern to Washington as Chavez is. No doubts whatsoever they are going to have a stab at taking Falklands together, that's what all of this is about. I hope Cameron is ready and prepared, personally I would be sending another T45 down there at least.
Jul 16th, 2012 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0A Venezuelan ship will sink as fast as an Argentine one.
Jul 16th, 2012 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is just Chavez sounding off on the world stage as usual.
I bet other Mercosur members are already rolling their eyes and worrying about that idiot.
It's likely that lunatic actually believes what he says. He's quite capable of launching an attack on the Falkland Islands. Somebody should explain to him that if he does; his little invasion fleet would find that any that survived would find nothing much left in Venezuela to go home to. Their ports, airports and military facilities and equipment would be history. The US and Columbia would be delighted to see Britain 'demilitarise' Venezuela, and we can.
Jul 16th, 2012 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chavez supported Saddam Hussein, and recently sent a message of love and support to his good friend Gaddafi. How did that work out Hugo?
http://static2.filmannex.com/users/galleries//1081/chavez-gaddafi-041.jpg
@4 Idle
Jul 16th, 2012 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0To be fair, half of the actual warship (i.e. frigate and above and submarines) fleet would be considerably harder to sink. Anyone who wanted to would have to get them out of mothballs or five-year-long-overhauls first.
”Mercosur: a great economic and geo-political impact for the region to help defend our resources, combat colonialism”.
Jul 16th, 2012 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0But no mention of the only colony in South America, French Guiana!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Guiana
What reparations will we DEMAND from a defeated Venezuela?
Jul 16th, 2012 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0What have they got that we want?
Or should we just support Colombia to absorb Ven?
Pity the long suffering Venezuelan people.
Chavez: Venezuela is no threat, Obama is a “good guy”
Jul 16th, 2012 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0In an interview with a local Venezuelan television station on Friday, Chavez dismissed the allegations he posed any danger.
“The Venezuela of today is no threat to anyone,” he said.
“It has all been a hoax by the imperialists and global far right: that uranium is being enriched in Venezuela, that we're setting up missiles here, that we're supporting terrorism.”
http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFBRE86D01X20120714
The 'military bloc' that Chavez is now calling Mercosur, is a sub-set of the military bloc that, last year, Chavez was calling Unasur.
Jul 16th, 2012 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0What is the tactical value of having a military bloc within a military bloc?
Presumably the Mercosur military bloc can go to war without reference to Unasur.
CFK/Chavez might decide to 'tidy-up' frontier anomalies -
reverting PA and UR to Argentina & Brasil, thereby reducing the number of SA countries by two, by 'unification'.
They might also decide to use the combined might of the Mercosur AR/BR/VE ( with 'guest appearence' from the Cuban military) military machines to swamp and finish off the Falkland Islands once and for all. This would be not too difficult, as the UK would not use nuclear weapons. This could only be countered by third party support - USA, FR, NATO,etc.
Russia and China would, as usual, stop the UN from intervening.
Definitely the end of a brighter future for the big beasts of South America, and a worrying time for the 'minnows'.
Two useful thoughts. Neither argieland nor venezuela has any combat vessel larger than a frigate. Doesn't matter what the argies call them, Rufus, they are frigates. In addition, the combat strength of the RAF is double that of the CFK and Chavez air “farces”. When the remainder of the RAF Typhoons are delivered, it will have three times the “mercosur” strength. And that's without converting other RAF aircraft to a combat role. But MercoPress should note that the relevant word is not “block”, implying a large immovable or irresistible object, but a “bloc”. Conceivably, something that's missing a bit. In the air, one thing they are both missing is airborne tankers. Combined, they only have 2. So, no danger to the RAF flying in massive reinforcements to the Falklands. Always worth remembering what the RAF and FAA did to the argie air force with only 30 aircraft. I want to see Chavez and CFK crying!
Jul 16th, 2012 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0@10 “mercosur” could not “finish off” the Falklands. Whether or not the UK would use nuclear weapons is open to question. But the RAF and RN could “finish off” argieland, brazil and venezuela with no problem. Nice change of pace. RAF flying from Ascension Island and the Falklands with tanker support. RN with Tomahawk Land Attack cruise missiles. Little naval opposition. Especially with our 80mph torpedos and helicopter-carried anti-ship missiles. All operated by combat-experienced veterans. Opposed by amateurs. WE need to operate properly “this time”. Leave nothing afloat or capable of flying.
Chavez knows he hasn't got long. He'd have no qualms about taking a few of his countrymen with him. If illness doesn't get him soon; he'll likely end up like his mates with big mouths and penchants for wearing ridiculous military costumes, Saddam and Gaddafi:
Jul 16th, 2012 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-AIyCdgBVRQ8/TufElLkaqkI/AAAAAAAAAKk/dRT0Q_mY2u0/s1600/SaddamSpiderHole.jpg
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I'd be worried if I were a malvinista, Chavez has a history of backing losers.
He also wants 'Gringo' out of French Guyana and the Dutch Antilles.
The zone of peace we had herad. Will be interesting to hear if CFK refutes this nonsense.
Jul 16th, 2012 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0ps Mercosur is a trade bloc. Some Europeans have tried to turn a European trade bloc into a political alliance, and it has not worked conspicuously well so far.
Alexei #5, you are absolutely right.. both Venezuela and Argentinean armies are only good for repressing their own citizens and cooperate with narco-terrorists... next armed conflict (if it ever happen- i doubt there is money to carry out such adventure, along with international isolation), Uk should also destroy part of the Argentine land, in a way that the word Malvinas will be forgotten for the next centuries from Argentinean language...
Jul 16th, 2012 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0With Argentina now firmly placed behind Chavez in SoAm's playground, the US will not fence-sit if they make a move on The Falklands. The US would LOVE an opportunity to slap Chavez.
Jul 16th, 2012 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0I do wonder what the average Argentine thinks of CFKChavez throwing their army in with Hugo. In the past when I asked Argentines about Chavez and his appearances at Mercosur summits they general answer was that he is a clown with a big ego. The word 'clown' came up a lot.
love it, we bring you peace, we only want peace. A month later a military pact , and issuing menacing statements. Like everthing else in RG land nothing to worry about as that would require effort, work, resources and intelligence something both have proved they lack.
Jul 16th, 2012 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tin pot alliance of paper tigers
@14 Black kat “doubt there is money to carry out such adventure” Unfortunately, like many other uniformed nutters around the world, Chavez has got his hands on huge oil reserves. Not entirely coincidentally, exactly like his friends Saddam and Gadaffi before him, he's busily trying to buy all the military hardware he can get his chubby little hands on. This has been made difficult by United States and European arms embargoes, but the mischievous Russians and Chinese will sell to him. Russia and China are taking his money/oil, and are sitting on the sidelines, laughing and egging him on. It could all end very badly for Chavez, and sadly for Venezuela too. Unfortunately for us wiping out his military, trashing his military infrastructure and oil production facilities, though entirely feasible, won't be cheap.
Jul 16th, 2012 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0The evil circus expands to include another clown!
Jul 16th, 2012 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Theres no contradiction here, in order to have a zone of peace they need to be defended from outside intervention, not least the imposition of death squad dictatorships on country after country by the CIA - so much for “self determination”!
Jul 16th, 2012 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you look at Chavez's history, he was born in a hut with a mud floor and raised in utter poverty. He's barely literate, very poorly educated, and consequently completely paranoid about having all the nice things that he's 'acquired' being taken from him. A dangerous lunatic with a massive inferiority complex.... but he's the Botox Queen's bestest friend in the whole wide world, not surprisingly.
Jul 16th, 2012 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0French Guiana isn't classed as a colony because they send representatives to the French government, so please can you all stop posting about that. Aside from that subject, yep this does seem a farcical arrangement; as I asked before: who exactly do they think they need defending from? Not one nation has threatened war or said they'd invade given the chance. These people are whacked.
Jul 16th, 2012 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@19 argieland is very good at “death squads”. Still, with a lack of oil products, what will it do with the bodies? Watch for the “disappearances”. It won't be long. On Chavez' form, “disappearances” will soon extend to venezuela. Little “uruguay” will disappear. This is already planned. There is no telling how many “uruguayans” will die. Will “uruguay” continue to exist? Not as a free, independent state. Perhaps as an argie province. The world may need to intervene to save “ordinary” people. But the Kirchneristas and Chaveznistas will have to go. Their choice. For preference, by bullet.
Jul 16th, 2012 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Britain are militarising the falklands!!' “we just want to give peace a chance!” well this just shows what a blithering idiot CFK really is.
Jul 16th, 2012 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All you are nescient on H. Chavez about..
Jul 16th, 2012 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 020
H.Chaves' granddad was Military General interested on paramilitary actions
H.Chaves' dad was Military General interested on logistic bulwarks.
24 LightThink (#)
Jul 16th, 2012 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chávez's father was a teacher and his grandfather was certainly not in the army. His great-great-grandfather served as a soldier in the army of the 19th-century federalist general Ezequiel Zamora.
No mention of Brazil nor Uruguay? Do they not speak for Mercosur no more ! or is Chavez & Fernandez taking over Mercosur operations ....
Jul 16th, 2012 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0personal opinion they are both worried about a coup with their own people..
Right at this moment I am watching a cable programme called “Falklands Combat Medics”. I want to see every single pice of argie scum die. I want to see every piece of scum from anywhere else die. I want to see every piece of south american scum die. I want to see them die screaming. Let every one die.
Jul 16th, 2012 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So what is the order of battle of this newly created military superpower?
Jul 16th, 2012 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A couple of frigates and some old Mirages?
“It is an important strategic alliance to lift the immense offensive, dissuasive capacity from the block which begins at the Caribbean and reaches Patagonia and the Argentine Malvinas Islands, which are now our Islas Malvinas, they are now a regional claim”, underlined Chavez.
Jul 16th, 2012 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Decleration of war?
Americans opinion will harden towards Argentiona as a result of this, especially if Barrack Obamo loses the up comming election. A republican government will not be so soft on Latam countires which are showing a move to militirisation.
21... Because they send representatives to the French government they are not a colony, so if Falklands send representatives to parliament they would no longer be classed as a colony??? Hardly a concrete argument /point so I won't stop posting about this thanks. Not an answer really is it pal
Jul 16th, 2012 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, Huguito & Cristinita are showing how crazy they both are...!! Hope Brazil & Uruguay make a counter statement over the issue.....Chavez is not a full Mercosur member yet and is leading the gang....??? Hope Chile will keep out of this crazyness and get out of Unasur too....We are in another level, trying to grow and develope our country comparing us with the OCDE countries, not with our neighbors.
Jul 16th, 2012 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BTW, Mercosur was thought as a trade union between 4 of the SA countries, which never worked because the difference between them.....and right now, with the suspension of Paraguay and the future inset of Venezuela the block had set its deadline. At the other side, the Pacific Allience is growing up keeping its main principle: the economic development of its citiziens....with no military policies included...
Chavez & Fernandez are using the Mercosur for selfish political needs, one is trying to obatin a 4 th or 5th term at the office and the other to hide the fall of her Gvt. economic strategy.....too speedy...!! Unfortunately, they are involving the remaining SA countries in the issue....
More bombastic statements by Chavez in the midst of a political campaign.
Jul 16th, 2012 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What new agreements? Argentine military academies have been training Latin American cadets for years. There is nothing new here. I have no idea what was the purpose of the Argentine Defense Minister to Venezuela, but only speculation on my part. Maybe it was as a personal envoy to convey the message to cool it with Syria and Iran. Maybe to acquire the aging 21 F-16 that Venezuela has, something that the US would be interested in since Chavez is threatening to send them to Iran. Argentina has to retire the fleet of Mirage F-III in two years’ time regardless if they have a replacement or not.
All the posters talking about a potential Argentine military intervention in the Falklands (Malvinas,) get real! With what? With the Argentine “dis-armed” forces? Even if Argentina had a modern one, it is unconstitutional. The Argentine Constitution (1994) establishes very clearly that the claim should be pursued peacefully through international organizations respecting the Kelpers way of life. If Argentina decided to use force, anyone can go to any court, which would have no choice but to rule the act unconstitutional unleashing a constitutional crisis in a middle of a war. That scenario is just crazy. Argentina will have to amend its Constitution first. This is a process of at least two years which includes a national referendum.
@32
Jul 16th, 2012 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thats all great in the modern civilised world, but your forgetting that Turkey neck makes it up as she goes along, you know like all those peaceful Argentine farmers and villagers the British were meant to have sent packing when we colonised the Falklands, which she spluttered out with her rubber lips to the UN last month. She is a dictator in the making and she wont let the law or the constitution get in the way of her key ambition, which is to take the Falklands back for Argentina. We need to be fully prepared for her and Chavez to increase their aggressive agenda. Before the end of her political career, either she will have destroyed Argentina or we will, because she will definitely try something which will spark a war - she is reckless.
To all Argies CFK supporters.,
Jul 16th, 2012 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who is militarising the south Atlantic now then,
But should we be nervous of this new and growing powerful defence pact,
Mmm [NO]
But to be fair, if eye was a South American country,
Especially if CFK or Hugo the bear, does not like you,
Or you have pissed or defied them lately,
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Then yes, I would be nervous, very nervous,
Remember after dropping the brits for the deadly duo,[batman and cat woman ]
Who then will come to your defence, if indeed you need us, let alone, want us,
After they have finished with you,
Soon, if the deadly due get there way,
South America may well shake in its boots,
Especially if [Robin] comes on board,
But then again, robin AKA Brazil, is meant to be going straight,
We will see,
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What defense pact? What dictatorship? Cristina cannot be re-reelected without amending the constitution something that is very unlikely. In a years time, there will be mid-term elections in Argentina. The probabilities are the present government will lose its majority in congress or hold a very slim margin, at best. It takes a two thirds of Congress to approve a constitutional assembly to amend the constitution. After that process, there has to be a national referendum to approve the amendments. That takes a minimum of two years. Great Britain will have basically a two years warning if a constitutional assembly is voted in Congress. Until then, what danger!
Jul 16th, 2012 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please read up on Argentina and its history before making uninformed statements.
30: it's not a case of whether it's an answer or not, it's a fact, that was the reason the UN removed it from the decolonization list. As far as the UN are concerned, if another country has final say on it's politics then that land is a colony of that country. I'm not saying it's either right for them to think that or that I agree with it, I'm just saying that's the guidelines they follow and that's why Guiana was removed from the list and the Falklands won't be, as long as they have a governor and no representation in the UK government.
Jul 16th, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 036... Fair enough sounds weird though and hardly logical but hey it's the UN
Jul 16th, 2012 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@35 Galtieri didn't telegraph the date of his illegal and long planned invasion of the Falkland Islands in 1982, he just waited until he saw what he thought was weakness. Argentina is presently like a dangerous dog, we don't expect to be given a warning, but we'll just keep a big stick to bash its brains out when it bites. For now Argentine government bluster, 'demands' and veiled threats offer all the warnings we need. It's better to be safe than sorry. I just hope Cameron isn't as stupid and feeble as he looks, and our big stick will do the business if required.
Jul 16th, 2012 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 025
Jul 16th, 2012 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wikipedia written are not true.
Defense Pact? Do you people realize that a “defense pact” has to be ratified by the Argentine Congress, first. Again, what defense pact with Venezuela? This “phantom pact” has yet to be introduced in Congress. Until then, it only lives in the imagination of some posters.
Jul 16th, 2012 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.
Chavez is a clown, imho. However, Venezuela has the largest oil reserves in the world. Argentina has the land and water supply, it is an agricultural powerhouse. In addition, they keep drilling for oil in Patagonia and keep striking underground rivers. Argentina can double its arable land. Brazil has 200 million people. If Bolivia, with the second largest natural gas reserves in South America, becomes a full member of Mercosur! Wow! Do not forget that Argentina has the third largest shale natural gas and lithium reserves in the world. With food stuff, water supply, and fuel in abundance, the economic future is ours. We do not need to embark in military adventures.
40
Jul 16th, 2012 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The future should be set up on merely industrial production not on sponge and ready made sources like oil,gas,mines which produce only elite oligarcs never able to feed the wide range people....
We have to imitate Chinese,Japanese,Germans,French not Arabs,Russians,Anglo Culture..
Mercosur couldn't block plaque.
Jul 16th, 2012 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Galtieri? Many posters forget that he was part of a military, de-facto, and unconstitutional government that ruled Argentina between 1976-1983. A brutal regime blessed and recognized by Great Britain, who never “discovered” the nature of the regime until the 1982 Falklands-Malvinas War.
Jul 16th, 2012 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Has anyone heard of the dozens of trials going on in Argentina. Most of the members of the military regime and repressors have either passed away of natural causes or are in jail for human rights crimes. These trials are still taking place.
@40 What you say is logical but when did CFKC or HC ever follow logic? You are right that Venezuela has great resources and the people should be living in luxury but the country does not operate well, poverty is rife and lack of power is the norm. Argentina has all the resources to be a great country again instead of stumbling from one crisis to another. But what do both countries lack? Good government. If Argentines developed a good work ethic and ditch the Ks it would benefit all Argentines.
Jul 16th, 2012 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The good news is all that lithium on hand to treat the bi-polar idiot President.
@21 Boovis
Jul 16th, 2012 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0French Guiana is around 400 miles away from Venezuela, yet Chavez is very concerned and is making noise about the oil rich Falkland Islands which are over 4000 away, its very suspicious.
I'm pretty sure the Argentina has agreed to split the FI oil revenues with any countries that helps them successfully invade. They don't give a toss about the people that live in the FI...
44
Jul 16th, 2012 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who is idiot ?
She lives in Casa Rosada !
Where do you live ?
Under the present government Argentina has almost doubled its GNP since 2003, an incredible achievement, imho. Do not take my word. Here is the link to an article published in the New York Times by Paul Krugman, a past Nobel Prize winner in economics:
Jul 16th, 2012 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/03/down-argentina-way/
Without access to fuel, there is no industrialization. Regardless, I’m adamant against the re-reelection of CFK.
1993 =100
Jul 16th, 2012 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina GDP
2003 = 150
2012 = 413
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Milliones de Pesos Corrientes
2003 = 327.362
2012 = 1.959.800
@27 Conquueeeeeerrrrrr
Jul 16th, 2012 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0YOU ARE NOT FOXY.
YOU ARE NOTHING MORE THAN A LUNATIC.
YOU ARE NOT A VIP.
YOU HAVE LIED SAYING HAVING “CONNECTIONS” IN SKY HARBOR INT. AIRPORT, TEMPE, AZ, USA.
I REPEAT, MIND YOU OWN COUNTRY.
MY COUNTRY ARGENTINA IS A PEACEFUL COUNTRY AND HAVE NO INTENTIONS TO INITIATE ANY WAR. REMEMBER MY COUNTRY IS ANTI-BRITISH, SO ACCEPT THE FACTS.
STOP IT NOW OR BLOW YOUR HEAD OFF!
@49
Jul 16th, 2012 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Agreed his views are extreme but your wrong when you imply your president isnt war mongering, thats exactly what she is doing. She will get you into more trouble than you can imagine. Chavez is viewed worldwide asa despot and she is making him her partner in crime. You should be very concerned.
@46 She doesn't live in the Casa Rosada. When she is not abroad on some expensive jolly and stashing her filthy lucre, she is curled up on the bathroom floor of her home in Santa Cruz - depending on the cycle of her bi-polar disorder.
Jul 16th, 2012 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And she was not elected by dint of her own intelligence. In fact she was only meant to stand in for Nestor for one term with him telling her what to do. You know, maybe we underestimated Nestor. Maybe he knew she was a megalomanic and that is why he 'controlled' her. When he died the monster was unleashed.........
35 Hektor
Jul 16th, 2012 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How many times has your constitution, been altered?
[ok clever]
Defence cooperation,
Your interpretation is what, then,
[What dictatorship ]
]how many times did Briton mention dictatorship ]
One two three , [or not once mentioned]
Please read making uninformed statements.
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”which are now our Islas Malvinas, they are now a regional claim”, Chavez,
Jul 16th, 2012 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so it starts! the point of no return has just been passed, this now has to escalate, just remember what ever happens at the falklands WILL happen in taiwan and other smaller neighbours orbitting despots countrys, expect other non-regional countries to join the latin lynch mob.
Argentina will be responsible for another appaulling war on a huge scale, UNs lack of resolve in the first place will cost the lives of many, how ironic.....
Hektor
Jul 16th, 2012 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0take carefull note,
a legal pact it may not be, in your eyes,
but these two have joined inwhat could well become south americas downfall,
and it will happen, one way or another,
we have no idea what was behind this talking,
but you can be bloody sure, it was not the christmas present list .
G20 meeting in mexico:
Jul 16th, 2012 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine Foreign minister Tinnermann “The Argentine Republic respects resolutions of the United Nations that say that the issue of the Falklands/malvinas is an issue between Great Britain and The Argentine republic, therefore, what Argentina respects is the law that says that Argentina and the United Kingdom should sit and have dialogue”
where does it say escalate tensions by bringing despot countries into the dispute in a bid for land and resource grab thus ignoring the UN law it claims to respect.
We must consolidate a great peace zone in the Caribbean and in South America; a zone of democracy where never again will there be military coups, or invasion or imperialisms,
Jul 16th, 2012 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[well, thats enough about us, and now the rest ????
Hopefully GB will not wait for any type of consultation with the ineffective UN or shuttle diplomacy, time to double missile drills.
Jul 17th, 2012 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Col. ret. G. Fregapani was until 2008 the Director of Combined Intelligence of ABIN, PL, FA , in Brazil's Amazonia region. Sincethen he comments in DEFESANET and ARCO DE FRONTEIRAS - about the Brazil's national security. He writes that Venezuela is Brazil's first line of defense against the U.S. and Britain which he considers the only current potential enemies of Brazil. “Venezuela pepares for war, distributes arms to the population, buys the exellent Skhoi fighter jets and now manufcatures missiles with Iranian technology, but not to attack our country”. He explains that it is for Venezuela's defense against the U.S. and Britain. ( Fregapani and Brazil's security and military community consider that the U.S. and Britain have a long term strategy to create “indigenous autonomies” under the “protection of the international community” - in the border area Brazil-Venzuela-Guyana, where also niobium reserves are located). Fregapani: “The ailment of Chavez should concern us, if Chavez dies or gets removed, we may lose our first line of defense and we then have to face all alone militarily superior forces.” He has also termed the inclusion of Venezuela into MERCOSUR as a “master move”. (You can also verify this in the archive of DEFESANET (“Comentarios Col. Fregapani”) or in the blog ARCO DE FRONTEIRAS)
Jul 17th, 2012 - 02:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0@58:
Jul 17th, 2012 - 04:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fregapani is obviously a paranoid fool. It is beyond any reasonable doubt that neither the United States nor the United Kingdom is a potential enemy of Brazil. Now go back to your Civilization V marathon.
Hektor: Interesting points, most of them good ones and a nice antidote to the usual rubbish around here. But why, if you acknowledge the amazing economic success of Cristina, are you so against her re-election, or even her being allowed to stand again and let the people decide. If the process of constitutional change takes as long as you say, which I didn't realise, my advice to Cristina would be she better hurry up and start pushing it! I hope your wrong on the outcome of the midterms though, by then the difficult time of adjustment thats happening now should be over and I hope a Cristinista majority will be elected. Perhaps on a promise of constitutional reform to let Argentina keep its beautiful and talented Queen...
Jul 17th, 2012 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Elaine: You're so full of hate its unreal. Don't you remember Nestor saying that Cristina would make an even more accomplished President than him. I agree with him, while your “analysis” sounds more like a personal grudge, what is it are you jealous of her beauty?!
I still can't grasp the motivation of somebody spending their day on a forum lauding the beauty of an elderly despot.
Jul 17th, 2012 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 061- I like BK like the older woman, but she is a double paper bag job.
Jul 17th, 2012 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0@32 What a silly comment. Shall we start with section 17 of the constitution? The relevant part says “Expropriation for reasons of public interest must be authorized by law and previously compensated.” Tell that to Repsol! How about “Foreigners enjoy within the territory of the Nation all the civil rights of citizens; they may exercise their industry, trade and profession; own real property, buy and sell it; navigate the rivers and coasts; practice freely their religion; make wills and marry under the laws.” And yet foreign companies are discriminated against. “The Executive Power shall in no event issue provisions of legislative nature, in which case they shall be absolutely and irreparably null and void.” So explain the decree requiring vessels to obtain a permit in order to travel to or from the Falkland Islands and from or to an argie port. You see, your “law” is full of holes and CFK pays no attention to it anyway! Regarding going to court? Prima facie, the highest authority on the planet is the UN Security Council. Its resolutions are binding on all members. Argieland is a member. Argieland ignored UNSCR 502. Who would trust argieland to abide by the rule of law?
Jul 17th, 2012 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0@35 As Britworker has pointed out, and I have said above, CFK pays no attention to your constitution or laws if they are “inconvenient”.
@40 Wow!! All those goodies and argieland is still broke and still has 30% inflation.
@43 They are best known as scapegoats. What about the 40 million argie war criminals that have yet to be even named?
@47 Figures from Indec, we presume. Therefore lies. Throw in the 30% inflation. No, pal, your on the skids. How come you're desperately trying to find dollars?
You need to take those rose-tinted government spectacles off. Just look at the dumbass @60. He's myopic, senile and suffers from dementia. He's also got a brown face. Comes of trying to get his nose and his tongue up CFK's ass at the same time! Don't be like him, he's a sad little cretin.
Yes, I admit it. I hate what CFKC is doing to Argentina. Unlike BK I know the country well, have friends there and a great affection for the country. It is sickening to watch a mad old bint setting the country back another decade in recovery purely to feed her messiah complex and utter greed.
Jul 17th, 2012 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately many Argentines are inculcated with false histories and false enemies from an early age and this makes them proud owners of victim complexes and large but paper-thin egos. I would like to see Argentina thrive and grow to an extent that justifies such large egos. I really would.
If CFKC were even slightly capable of doing the job it wouldn't much matter what she looked like. But, as BK brings it up all the time, she is as ugly on the outside as she is on the inside.
#61 Sorry to dissapoint, but I'm really not into Robert Mugabe! Youthful democrats like Cristina are much better =)
Jul 17th, 2012 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#64 If you think the IMF are “imaginary” enemies of a developing coiuntry like Argentina you're ignoring all the national and international evidence otherwise; that is the political basis of our differences methinks. So I can take back the bit about jealousy. I do agree with you on one thing though. She is as ugly on the outside as on the inside - ie not at all =)
Who mentioned the IMF apart from you? I wasn't referring to that at all.
Jul 17th, 2012 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really should go to Specsavers. Even some Kirchnerite friends think she wears the make-up of the local good-time girl and looks like she has dressed in her daughter's clothes by mistake.
It will be interesting to see if they are still K supporters when I get back to Argentina. Last emails I noticed a distinct waivering of conviction. They are really suffering the effects of inflation, crime increase and mightily pissed off about the restrictions on dollars.
#66 I like the look. I suppose its a matter of taste. But a lot of people agree with me =)
Jul 17th, 2012 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0not on here we bet .
Jul 17th, 2012 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@67 B_K,
Jul 18th, 2012 - 07:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can't understand why you think she is good looking.
-she's not.
Also cannot understand how you think that she's doing a good job for Argentina.
-she's not.
Love is blind, l suppose.
#68 “on here” most people are incredibly biased, either against Argentina, or against the left within Argentina, or both. Also many are the kind of conservatives who would say a vibrantly dressed youthful looking older woman “dresses like her daughter” etc. A test - what do people think of Madonna?
Jul 18th, 2012 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Older woman “dresses like her daughter”
Jul 18th, 2012 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0You then know her daughter, to see the future then,
But alas
beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and not the beholder ,
Is this not true .
Jennifer Anniston,
Is better looking, perhaps ..
70 British_Kirchnerist (#)
Jul 18th, 2012 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Madonna is an ugly old bag just like Kretina.
Now let's get down to cases; I am not a conservative, I would place myself in the political spectrum at about 3/5 left wing, that is why I cannot support Kretina.
Her policies are making Argentines poorer day by day, to the middle class this is a bad scene, but to the really poor, it means DEATH.
That is why this leech has to go!!!!!
Human Rights Watch attacks 'abuse of power' in Venezuela:
Jul 18th, 2012 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BBC News
17 July 2012
The abuse of power by the Venezuelan government under President Hugo Chavez has increased over the past four years, according to Human Rights Watch.
READ MORE:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-18867310
And CFK is about to jump into bed with them.
Jul 18th, 2012 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The argentine people need to wake up.
Before there deluded empress makes another mistake .
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70 BK
Jul 18th, 2012 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you think Madonna is some sort of leader? By the way she is just as ugly as your skank!
Argentina 'In Bed With Chavez'
Jul 19th, 2012 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0#75 Of course I don't, I just think its interesting I could have predicted the same people who were saying Cristina isn't apropriate don't like her, you have a very old fashioned view of what an older woman can be I must say
Jul 19th, 2012 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@77
Jul 19th, 2012 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And you have a very odd fashioned view of what a beautiful women is. Try to see the heavy cosmetic surgery and Botox and you might understand why women like this are avoided.
The argentine leader has the perfect oval face with big brown eyes, beautiful brown redish hair and the sexy look all women need to keep regardless of age or economic status.
Jul 19th, 2012 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK royals, the Queen, Camilla and skinny Kate don't have sexy looks. These women looks are like second class citizens, very passe.
79
Jul 19th, 2012 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you cant stalk CFK she belongs to BK ,
so watch it .
Treasonous Kirchnerist and Sucia US
Jul 19th, 2012 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What could I have expected from such a pair of dolts? It's not a beauty contest you idiots. Winston Churchill was no model nor was Golda Meir but they both had something Cristina the skank will never have. I won't embarrass you by telling you what that is. Sfloozy, I thought you were going to jump off a bridge somewhere?
@81
Jul 20th, 2012 - 12:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is Miss Isolda again trying to show Zhivago really worth to keep in the payroll.
Gee, you wish to look like her , have her clothes, and have millons to spend.
Poor Miss Isolda, la sueca no vale nada.
Miss Isolda, Where do I pick up the cheques???!!!
Jul 20th, 2012 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0@82 SussieUS,
Jul 20th, 2012 - 07:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Que?
l am not a Miss,
Don't want to look like her,
Have plenty of clothes,
Don't have millions but l do have thousands(maybe even tens of thousands!, l don't know for sure!),
Can buy what l like.
l'm not Swedish.
And you?
Will you speak gibberish for the rest of your life, oh wrinkley one?
Remember, we have a photo of you now!
@83 Zhivago,
Depends.
What can you do?
And we retain the right of surveillance on suspected anti Americanism,
Jul 20th, 2012 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To remove person or persons who are considered a danger to the integrity and independence of the United States of America,
The CIA homeland security and the FBI, along with Interpol and Scotland yard, will continue to track and stop all anti Americanism where it is found,
Are you anti American, miss?
Our agents will be watching you, but you will never know,
Who, what, why, when, or how, .
Good day to you,
Agent 002……………..
.
@84 Isolde
Jul 20th, 2012 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@85 briton
Hahahahhahahhha I can't stop laughing, you both old idiots trying to scare me?
Hey, by the way, I am not spanish argentinian, I am italian argentinian, and all the physical description I gave you is incorrect. I am not 5'8' or 130 lbs.
You ignorants guys needs to learn about my legal rights before open your ignorants assholes mouths.
“anti-american”? Do you mean North, Central and South? No. Don't put words on my mouth.
What are you waiting to file charges if your have a complaint to file against me? Hey, I am not like Think, or any other person you might like to scare.
You sound desperate because you violated my privacy releasing sensitive information about me in this web page, my financial information, medical information, all obtained from trasspassing my website account.
My telephone company called me saying that 2 telephones calls were obtained by you guys. My phone number has been changed.
That is also accountable for trasspasing my privacy.
All of the above constitutes a violation of the USA Privacy Act which does not permit third parties to disclosed my personal financial information or any other type of sensitive information in this website.
If you have any charges against me, go head, make my day. I gave you until
July 31, 2012 to file in COURT any complaint you have against me.
I am not scare of anything.
So don't scare me with you “titles”. HAAAAHHHAAAHHHA.
You guys are nothing more than THE BIGGEST ASSHOLES 'AGENTS'.
Susanita Brown won't go away. No one scare this brave unique argentinian citizen.
Viva Argentina!
definetly a straight jacket case.
Jul 20th, 2012 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what do you say, mr jeckle,
we agree mr hide,
you definetly cannot scare a crow .
and you cannot frighten a ghost,
but you can, crack a nut .lololol
86 Sucia US
Jul 20th, 2012 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're an Italian now, well I'm sure that accounts for the smell and the excess of hair under your arms, on your legs, and well, other places. If people want to file charges against you they can do it when they want. I believe the statute of limitations in this case is at least ten years, I know its longer than a month so stop threatening people and telling them to sue you. You told all of us about two weeks ago that you weren't going to post anymore. Nobody could accuse you of not being Argentine because you certainly are a liar! Mentirosa!
#78 Tell me why. Surely you should avoid someone based on their personality not their looks?!
Jul 20th, 2012 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#79 For once I agree with you =) At least about Cristina. Kate may be OK, early days yet, and the Queen's a bit old to asses that way one way or the other (even for me lol!)
@89
Jul 21st, 2012 - 12:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Because it demonstrates an inferiority complex the “Queen” as you call her is nothing more then a single minded politician with her own ends and desires to fill. She is not perfectly comfortable with her own personality so she hides behind her declining looks. Mr British Kirchnerist she is a politician not a stateswomen she is not the god you make her out to be she is a human being and as a result she suffers from the same condition we all have: Self preservation, she will ensure that her interests will always come first.
And no doubt you will reply with some sort of pathetic lob sided comment like ”not Christina, not my queen she is passionate and wonderful.......etc. Your comments of total support are pathetic and really quite irritating especially to those who live under her rule everyday, Simon for example, you however can idolise her as a God, because you don't know what its like to be in Argentine, and your comments will obviously upset and annoy those who feel that she is no good as they are experiencing it, not you. Stop commentating on her its rather dull and if you really are British then you should see that this women and her flunkies are harassing our fellow countrymen everyday, who comes first the leader of a bullying country or your own people? She is purposely trying to make their lives as uncomfortable as possible and continues beating the nationalist line to divert attention away from her own failings, you seem to forget that the Argie economy has inflation figures exceeding 30%, slowing growth, poverty etc, etc, etc, however everyones issues and attention is quickly diverted with a few words: Las Malvinas Son Argentines. See my point, I mean do you remember that certain train crash a while back? How may died? Were is the money she promised for transport infrastructure? Oh she was banging the nationalist drum- thats not queen like behaviour as you describe her, its opportunistic and you should realise it. Put your own country first, not her.
@ agents oo2 & 37,
Jul 21st, 2012 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l think that its time to move in on SussieUS.
l've got her new phone number.
What back up do you need?
Maybe we could get some Aliens to abduct her.
Even they wouldn't want the fruit loop.
Keep me posted. over & out.
Apparently she is now masquerading as an Italian ,argie,
Jul 21st, 2012 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So surveillance from Interpol may be required,
002..
.
& 92
Jul 22nd, 2012 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He is a very clever boy ??..isn't he !!
http://www.johanneswilm.org/
93 Max
Jul 22nd, 2012 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very nice,,
But we don’t think SussieUS will be happy with you,
Get ready for the insults to fly,
Calling her a boy,, wonders never cease
OH! guys..you make me laugh, what a group of clowns.
Jul 22nd, 2012 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, I am italian argentinian and my maiden name is italian, I am 5'6” and 25 lbs overweight that's is why I am in the Gold Gym all the time. Most of all the information given in this web page is false. This prove you guys are not spies, just simple minded assholes.
I won't go away, I protect my country Argentina all the way!
99
Jul 23rd, 2012 - 02:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0You were the one who said they were going away.
SussieUS,
Jul 23rd, 2012 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are a fruit loop.
We're still watching you.
You can't escape.
You can run but you can't hide.
Agent 002, this is more serious than we thought.
We'll have to get the ltalian Secret Service involved.
lt looks like she's their baby.
o & o.
the ltalian Secret Service
Jul 23rd, 2012 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0has been informed,
this spy will be caught .
Hahahahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaha
Jul 23rd, 2012 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You guys are the best clowns in the world!
I can't stop laughing at you!
Catch me, if you can....hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaha
Well SussieUS, We've made you laugh.
Jul 23rd, 2012 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now isn't that better than all the hatred & stupidity you posted before?
Maybe we can have normal discussion now.
Regards, l.M.
i agree with that .
Jul 23rd, 2012 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hear hear .
briton (#98) “the ltalian Secret Service has been informed, ...”
Jul 24th, 2012 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't hold your breath, SusieUS may be as well protected as a certain Italian international terrorist killer, currently residing in Brasil, courtesy of Dilma.
Who?!
Jul 24th, 2012 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0103 British_Kirchnerist
Jul 24th, 2012 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0read what 102 GeoffWard2 ,,,,,,says
she could be helped by a certian argentine femal leader,
operating the ODESSA File .
Apart from all the dialogue on here and elsewhere if the UN was doing its job properly the Falklands wouldn't be an issue. The UN should tell CFK and her allies to leave the Islanders alone and allow them their totally justified right to self-determination in the modern world. But they don't and the UN continues to take the soft line and encourage dialogue when they know that is futile because Argentina is totally unmoving on the matter and has one single goal in mind. So it's high time the UN got it's act together and put its money where its mouth is. But that's probaly barking at the Moon!
Jul 24th, 2012 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the UN
Jul 24th, 2012 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0has lost respect,
and has no power.
@100 Isolda @102
Jul 24th, 2012 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Electronic survellaince is restricted on USA citizens by the Fourth Amedment of the US Constitution which cannot gather information through communication intercepts. If the US Dept.of Justice needs the use of intercepts, 3 steps are involved in the process:
1) An Affidavit is submitted to the Dept. Of Justice by an investigative or law inforcement officer detailing the facts of the case.2) An application is filed by the US Attorney to the court detailing the legal basis for the intercept.3) A set of orders is submitted by the Court to the investigative or law enforcement officer authorizing the intercept.
While the USA goverment can obtained my telephone calls and surveillance of my whereabouts such information is kept as a
CONFIDENTIAL MATTER, AND CANNOT BE DISCLOSED TO ANY ONE.
I repeat, you cannot traspass my privacy releasing information about me thru this web page.
Is clear to me, that all of you are nothing more than an incompetent UK team of assholes called “bloody rubish agents”
As of now, Sussie #107,
Jul 24th, 2012 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0not a single 'agency' ... MI5, MI6, military, police, 'homeland defence', CIA, FBI, covert overseas entity, etc ... has approached me to join their team.
I stand, pregnant with expectation, waiting to be picked,
but I imagine - like the fat boy hoping to be chosen on the school playing field - I will forever be relegated to the team of one ..... the 'solus poster'.
@107 SussieUS,
Jul 24th, 2012 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We can bypass all this legal mumbo-jumbo Soozy, because B.Obama is my uncle. l get preferential treatment.
You had better stop swearing young woman or you will be drugged & delivered to the Little-Worthington-Without Ladies' Auxillery Needlework Association.
They will know what to do with you.
We have some good news,,, and some bad news,
Jul 24th, 2012 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For the runaway spy,
The good news, the homeland security has found your settlement papers,
The bad news is ,
They are deemed to be a forgery,
They will be contacting you soon.
002
@ 109 Isolda Miedosa @ 110 briton Jack the ripper
Jul 25th, 2012 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mrs. Isolda needs to stop using her toothbrush for masturbation trying to reach a volcanic type organ to make sense. I am sure old briton can streched his social finger 5,000 miles away and give her a chance to relieve her sexuals
needs.
By the way, you all have my address here in Tempe, Arizona, USA. So far, no ones has knock my door...HiiiiiiiHI
You guys are a joke and all of you belongs in a Zoo!
Why we bother to help the uneducated,
Jul 25th, 2012 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She still cant even read, for Christ’s sake,
[reply 110]
Did not mention the name SussieUS once]
So again the indoctrinated, ASSUMES that people are talking about her,
The world does not revolve around you miss woozier,
You insult, as if you hate the world, and blame us for your bad, sad, mad, upbringing.
So please go find some people that find to interesting,
Instead of stalking all the brits,
And stay out of our game of spies .lol.
Well, briton, we tried to go along with her but l doubt that she sees the joke.
Jul 25th, 2012 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mad as a meat ant, as the Aussies say.
l'd say we should just ignore the cretin from now on.
agreed
Jul 25th, 2012 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0from today
she is in coventry .
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