Argentina wants to cut Falklands’ squid catches flooding the area with jiggers
Argentina is planning the incorporation of Chinese jiggers to catch Illex squid next season, a decision rejected by the local fishing chambers but which according to the Buenos Aires financial media is linked to the sovereignty dispute over the Falkland Islands and surrounding waters.
The Argentine Federal Fisheries Council approved resolution 7 opening a registry for 20 additional jiggers, 10 of them from China, apparently part of the June deal between Premier Wen Jiabao and Cristina Fernandez that also contemplates the possibility of supplying, servicing and unloading catches in Patagonian ports.
Local chambers have protested the initiative since they feel affected given the insufficient catches to face rising costs, but at the same time officials from the Cristina Fernandez administration have argued that it is part of the official Argentine policy in the Falklands/Malvinas dispute and because Beijing has no jiggers operating with Falklands’ licenses.
Resolution number 7 contemplates the incorporation of the Chinese flagged vessels to Argentina’s fleet plus the processing of catches in Patagonia plants and some labour commitments.
“The incorporation of another 20 jiggers to the 70 which already make up the Argentine fleet should have an impact on the ‘other side’” according to the press reports in clear reference to the Falklands.
But the same media comments that similar experiences with previous Argentine administrations did not have the effect expected, much less improve Argentina’ negotiations capacity to recover sovereignty over the Falklands, not even “the framework deals with Russia and Bulgaria at the time of President Raul Alfonsin, 1983/1989; or the chartering of jiggers promoted under the government of President Carlos Menem (1989/1999)”.
Nestor Bustamante, Deputy Fisheries department head reportedly told the local squid chambers that Argentina is “interested in a greater geopolitical presence at mile 201 plus, adjacent to the EEZ, an experiment that was sponsored at the beginning of this year.
Basically Argentine flagged or licensed vessels were authorized to begin operations at 201 plus before the official season started February first. However only nine registered and some even requested incentives because operating at such distance demands logistic support and increases costs.
The official Illex season normally extends from February until August 31, however this year following on INIDEP (the Argentine Fisheries Research Institute) recommendations for the preservation of a minimum biomass for the following season, June’s Technical Report 18/12 ended the season in July, when a reported 92.332 tons of squid had been unloaded in Argentine ports both by jiggers and as by-catches of the trawlers.
Allegedly this season according to Argentine sources adjacent to EEZ, mile 201 plus, an estimated 120 jiggers were operating with a total catch of 65.000 tons to which must be added “another 100 in waters under the control and licensing of the Falklands with catches of 84.211 tons.
However the Argentine Ministry of Agriculture, Livestock, Fisheries and Food and INIDEP do not have sufficient data to confirm the above volumes, since weekly reports are needed of fishing in international waters and in the Falklands.
But the Argentine Navy has only one corvette out of three deployed in the area next to the Falklands plus sporadic air patrols and any help that can be provided by the Coast Guard, which supposedly limits the monitoring of the area.
Since the Kirchner couple arrived in Government House back in 2003, the original plan was for the construction of three multipurpose oceanic patrols for which the Chileans were invited since they have the yards for such objective. Chile already has two of these vessels and in mid July began to build a third one.
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The notion of responsible management still hasn't caught on then.
By again, economically blockading the Islanders (this will only marginally affect the UK financially ), it will force closer ties between FI's and UK , which in effect makes the remote chance of Argentine sovereignty, even more remote.
They just don't get it do they?
If people are friendly to the Brits we are stupid enough to give anything away.
If people are belligerent to the Brits they get their asses kicked hard.
It would take 1000,000 years (at least), of Argentine evolution to understand this basic piece of British psychology.
Any Argentine government equipped with politicians having more than the one brain cell CFK, putrid Jelly and Timidman share, who decide to be friendly (hearts and minds)with FIG, will improve Argentina's economy, though thanks to CFK's bullying Argentina have added the final nails in the coffin of their own claim, even if a succeeeding Argentinian government is friendly to the FIs.
This latest action is another example of that and won't be the last.
This particular petulant action/initiative will just serve to make them look even more foolish to the rest of the world.
Because of the financial crisis the money must be found outside the present UK budget.
In 2011 the UK imported goods from China & Hong Kong to a value of UK£ 30,947 million.
A 10 percent point raise of the import tariff yields UK£ 3,095 million minus the amount lost to a 20% reduced import because of the higher tariff, leaving around UK£ 2,476 million, just what is needed for the compensation.
China may not be entirely happy with this, so it is time for UK diplomacy to discuss advantages and disadvantages of increasing the Chinese jigger fleet around the Falklands.
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UK imports from China & Hong Kong UK£ 30 947 million
UK exports to China & Hong Kong is UK£ 11 175 million
www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/feb/24/uk-trade-exports-imports
Afterall, they are the ones causing all the trouble.
Poltroons.
Anyone see the connection ?
Argentina are now so close to the bottom of their delusional barrel that they are willing to sanction over-fishing in their waters just to try and scupper the Falklands fishing industry?
The phrase “cutting ones nose to spite one's face” comes very much to mind - no doubt they will try and twist this one round at some point in the future so that they somehow become “victims” in all of this.
TMBOA is going further out of mental control by sanctioning this short term lunacy. Perhaps she thinks things will improve when all her own jiggers are tied up, never to work again.
The Chin, of course, will be getting ready to take the country over.
Yes.
It won't work, but yes, that is the plan. Contemptible, isn't it.
Mainly I just feel sorry for all of their fishermen and fisheries scientists whose life work is to manage their resources responsibly and make a decent living. It must make them want to cry.
However, this kind of story also shuts up the pious sanctimonious Argentines who like to come on here and accuse Falkland Islanders of damaging the environment, even of overfishing.
Where are you now chaps? You know who you are.
what was it tards said “Give peace a chance”, they are such a joke!
** The Daily Dictator News **
* Argentines minimum wage well under poverty line
* many injured protesters in Salta, Argentina over wages
* 7 out of 10 argentnies believe Economy is wrong.
* CFK's image falls down to 30% as concerns over inflation soars
* Ecuador pres. Assange allegations are not crimes.
* La Campora, Kolina and Evita amongst others a communist party join forces. The goal: to build “force” of Cristina Kirchner
* Argentine govt. accused of threatening judges.
The C0ckhoare Empress gets my vote!!!
However, Argentina can do whatever it want in its own waters, its a pity that TMBOA doesn't actually care about the livilhoods of her own people, isn't it?
Well perhaps Greenpeace will turn up and sabotage these jiggers in the name of the environment. I mean, if they do, what can Argentina do about it?
Oh yes, cry.
The sooner the sane people of Argentina get rid of this albatross, that calls itself their president, the better.
On the other hand, any jigger straying into Falklands waters can be seized and their crews arrested.
Another childish, irresponsible and most likely worthless attack on the people of the Falkland's islands to cover up more bad news about Argentina's accelerated collapse. It's hardly surprising CFK is unwell given the level of failure going on under her management.
This is desperation and then some.....
TMBOA does not care about her own countrymen one little bit. She is after a political objective, to get the Chinese Navy into Argentine waters, to protect the Chinese Jiggers that are arrested for fishing without a license in Falklands territorial waters. She is stirring up a hornets nest with the intention of getting a super-power involved and on her side.
Old Turkey-Neck is too simple & stupid to realise that the Chinese Government can see right through her transparent machinations. They may have a duty to protect Chinese citizens, but they are not about to antagonise both the British & the Americans by supporting a despot who's managed to single-handedly ruin her own economy.
Many an African nation has a healthy number of Chinese engineers, miners or construction personnel, building outposts to provide the Chinese industrial machine with continuous raw materials. The Chinese are very patient. They mostly wait until an economy is so dire, that they are welcomed as saviours. Argentina is getting that way.
However, the Chinese leadership would never get embroiled in a dispute in which they would not benefit. The Chinese know full well that the Falklands would be protected. Not just by fisheries vessels, but also by nuclear submarines too.
Argentina may try to encourage Chile to build Fishery protection corvettes, but the Chileans would know better than to try to protect the 'Argentine' fishing fleet, if that fleet was fishing in someone else's territorial waters.
It will take many years for the squid to repopulate the depleted waters. TMBOA probably thinks that the Falkland squid will migrate to her empty waters around the coast. They won't. In the meanwhile, Argentine fishermen will be cursing her for putting them out of work.
Her views ARE NOT those of a sensible, normal person that would choose the best for the country she rules, but those of a vengeful, sadistic, former guerrilla underdog and, what is worst, she is surrounded by a huge band of crooks and mobsters that incite her to go 'for all' by all possible means, including harassing and murder. This is making them rich while the country impoverishes, masses lose their work and rampant inflation erodes salaries across all lines. While inflation takes the fast lift, salaries walk up the stairs...
I'm thus sorry for the future of my country, especially because we were used to better ways of doing things and we're now under the impression that our nation is being thrown to the dogs and no one in the world - save other dictators - would ever again want to do business with us, let alone be friendly.
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Thanks for your candour
I think the term “Argentina” has become shorthand for CFK and the rabid Malvinistas in the Falklands dispute.
While the dispute probably isn't going to go away, that doesn't mean that we can't have a pragmatic and even friendly relationship. The moment that CFK opens her mouth, the clock gets reset in terms of normalising relations between Argentina, the Islanders and the UK
I hope that she gets deposed and that you get a decent and fair government - I have to say, I don't think it will be anytime in the near future.
@21 I agree she should be deposed!
Worse still, there are some who agree that the Falklands do belong to the Islanders, and not to Argentina. They've not been misled by the fiction being taught in Argentine classrooms.
They can see the truth for themselves and know that if Argentina respected the Islanders, traded with them & built friendly alliances, then both the Islands and Argentina would be richer for it.
The problem is that Argentina's political elite have never really understood the British. They may have admired our trade, our empire & the domination of the seas, but they have failed to comprehend that the British would go to any lengths to defend the rights of British citizens to live on their own land under the Government of their own choice.
Sadly, they might have understood us if Manuel Jose Garcia had persuaded the British Government to allow Argentina to become part of the British Empire back in 1815. A deal had already been struck with Spain (another ally) to allow them to recover their empire, so Garcia had no hope. A year later, Argentina declared independence & was so desperate to expand, that they sought to colonise any land, even land belonging to Amerindians (Patagonia) or Islands belonging to another country (deserted by the Spanish), but claimed by Britain 50 years before.
The only way Argentina can get out of this mess is to get rid of the Turkey Neck as soon as possible, before she can do more damage.
If a new Argentine Government set aside any territorial claims & traded with the Islanders, they might just get some oil after all. They might find the Islanders can forgive, but they will never forget.
and also see that we are making business with China selling licenses to catch our fish, illex argentinius, and in our sea and using our argentinian patagonian ports. This has nothing to be with you.
That @20 “Argie” sounds weird...he refuses to release his name, address, phone number....what is he hiding?....he claims “spanish” is his primary language... but he never respond in spanish...anything..such as Susanita,
que haces en Arizona, Nevada and California.
he said he travels/resides in the islands (?) and to Buenos Aires, I guess he might be in the fishing business, ....poetry does not pay too much...
'The President, this afternoon was on national TV as she announced the opening of an Argentine flag on architecture at the Venice Biennale. The exhibition includes a section dedicated to the sovereignty of the Falklands.'
www.territoriodigital.com/nota3.aspx?c=6704851381161553
“This will undoubtedly cost the Falkland Islands a neat sum of money, for which they must be compensated from the UK.”
We are not compensated by the UK or by anyone else when fishing revenue takes a downturn, why should we be? we manage our own finances and when things are bad we tighten our belts. Begging or borrowing money one can't pay back is more Argentina's style.
CFK:
“A piece of land Argentina in Italian
The Argentine flag was inaugurated with an exhibition on architecture based on five axes. Diversity, identity, territory, and sovereignty memory. This framework includes the issue of the Falklands and the Argentine claim to sovereignty over the islands. According to the foreign minister told this is ”an example federal culminating with an exhibition on Malvinas“. This fact led the applause of those present and the joy of the energetic president who said ”Malvinas everywhere and for all”
What kind of propaganda and empty rhetoric is that !!!
Build a decent 5* hotel for tourists to rest well and learn to cook decent food instead of fish and chips!
@24 Here's a question for you. Who's a prick? And because we know you don't have the brain of a dead turd, here's the answer. You are!
@25 And your name, address and phone number is..........?
@26 “The President”? You mean “the hag”. We all know the address. All together now, defecate. Wrap it up and send it to Casa Rosada. A present from the UK? Eat hearty, slag!
you missed the
“China may not be entirely happy with this, so it is time for UK diplomacy to discuss advantages and disadvantages of increasing the Chinese jigger fleet around the Falklands”.
In plain language: You will gain 20. That will cost us 30. We have found a way to save 40, which you are going to lose. Are you sure you want to go on with this?
“I read that in Malvinas the cayches has been of 80.000 and in Arg of 65.000....less less in our side, much overfishing on Malvinas side.”
First of all, where are the Malvinas as I only recognise the Falkland Islands?
I think I am correct in stating that the squid in question breed in an area off Uruguay and Argentina and grow to maturity whilst they migrate towards the Falklands.
In reality, your scientists recoginise that Argentina has been over fishing the squid during the juvenile phase hence the lack of tonnage by the Argentine jigger fleet.
The Falklands know full well how much tonnage can be fished from their waters without destroying the future of the squid. You do understand that mature squid weigh more because they are BIGGER?
What a pity that The Mad Bitch Of Argentina has no such care either for the squid or for the livlihoods of the Argentine jigger fleet.
Do you understand now?
I gave my name, address and phone number to Conor Louden-Brown
Briton, Isolde, and the rest of the UK team....but still waiting to know
your really name, address and phone.....you are not a shy boy....can you tell me more about you....I am waiting....please, release your name...are you scare?
Yes St John, please explain. I am curious to find out what you mean. WestisBest is right. Our fishery is run by us for us. We get no compensation from the UK if things go bad and the UK gets no direct gain from us if things go well. I don't necessarily agree 100% with that state of play but that's how it is. Of course if things went really bad like say, in Montserrat and Anguilla, we would get DFID support but we are a universe away from their situation and most likely always will be.
As for Argentina, the squid that here exists is absolutelly enough big to be captured. We need to catch the fish as is part of our diet.
Remember its our fish and our waters and our business and it seems we protect environment more than you, look still exists the grey wolf in TDF, whether the warrah in Malvinas was extinguished.
Just because someone is Argentinean, that doesn't mean they can't write in perfect English
Yawn. Time to move on otherwise you'll just die bitter. If what we're doing is ILLEGAL, report us and have us stopped.
Chuckle chuckle.
More vessels to patrol must be send down there, not warships, like you use to do, and bother fishes so they go far away of there.
Illegal? By what laws? The last time your laws applied (briefly) to us was 30 years ago, and it didn't last very long.
You have completely missed the point of this article. Either that or you haven't read it. Your government is deliberately pursuing a policy of overfishing to hurt us.They are quite honest about it. They don't want to 'protect the environment'. They want to wreck it.
Anyway, the Warrah was hunted to extinction about 100 years ago, about the time your forebears were offering a bounty on the ears of native Patagonians. I wouldn't go there if I were you. Unless you're a full-blood Yaghan of course. Except you can't be.
Our gov is not overfishing, is just selling licences to catch the squid responsably.
And after all you dont have a say on this.
And if the warrah was extinguished in 1912, 100 of years ago, its entirely your responsability. we have been expelled in 1800 remember??
I remember that of the squidmillonaires, and it was some people that sings God save the Queen.
”@20 @21
That @20 “Argie” sounds weird...he refuses to release his name, address, phone number....what is he hiding?....he claims “spanish” is his primary language... but he never respond in spanish...anything..such as Susanita,
que haces en Arizona, Nevada and California.
he said he travels/resides in the islands (?) and to Buenos Aires, I guess he might be in the fishing business, ....poetry does not pay too much...“
”poetry”?? Are you trying to somehow discredit Argie by insinuating that he is a homosexual?
Are you really surprised that an educated Argentinian intellectual would not want to give you his personal details? Do you think he would want to invite harassment from the La Campora Hitler Youth or the Tax Office??
Dangerous to speak out against the Dictator of your country.
It is very unlikely that Sussie / susanista is telling the truth about herself/himself or where that troll lives LOL
You do sound properly vexed and frustrated. You only wish Argie were a Brit, but it makes more sense that he is an Argentinian who is fed up with being screwed by his own government.
'Two groups, one Argentine and one British , joined their voices to record a combination of several songs of love, peace and freedom at 30 years of war in the Falkland Islands and for solidarity: the “mashup” for sale on iTunes and all which raised will go to Doctors Without Borders.'
www.clarin.com/sociedad/Argentinos-ingleses-juntos-original-
himno_0_763123838.html
It is called a diplomatic threat and works more or less like this:
The honoured member from e.g. West Brougham raises the matter in the House and suggests that the UK compensate the FI. Another honoured member suggests that the money can be obtained through a raise of the tariff on Chinese imports. A third honoured member just “happens” to have the figures for export and import and a fourth honoured member seconds the proposal. Financial Times writes about the debate on page 8.
Following this, a member of the commercial group at the embassy in Beijing mentions the problem to a vice-vice minister from the Department of Commerce (who has already read Financial Times). The Chinese decide if its worth the trouble. Everybody knows that the compensation will almost certainly never be realised, but now the Chinese - knowing how stubborn John Bull can be - have a pretext for changing the course of events if they find it in their best interest.
The process resembles how a mature government, i.e. not governed by emotions but cool calculation, handles (non-)expropriation of an oil company.
At a press conference some vice minister declares that there is this-or-that problem and that the government is considering expropriating the oil company. The company calculates their probable loss from an expropriation and the contract is re-negociated.
Interesting dialogue in the comments section.
....and why don't you let “Argie” respond me...
Good insight - yes, I think that's how it works (in true “Yes, Minister” type fashion)
my governor worked 9 or 10 years in the Foreign Ministery and I have heard so many tales of how he called or visited this-or-that chap to explain possible future problems and suggest a different approach. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't.
Argentina/USA Trade Conflict thread:
“@87
That's happen when you, the UK team insults my country..
you see...
this will not stop..and will continue for the next 4 years...
so be prepare...
more is coming for Conor Louden Brown, Isolde, Zhivago... Conqueerrrrrr, Captain Poppy, Yensere, Skare, and the rest of the UK team known as CLOWNS....
I am arrogant, a racist and atheist..
I don't talk to US americans living in trailer parks...
or
the indians living in their reservations because they are very uneducated people
similar to the EngineerAbroad..
who claims be from the UK, but,
hardly can spell.. words...from the only language he speaks....english.
So, get lost,
and mind you own country: the UK,
and be sure to get some underwear for UK Prince Harry...
the whole world is seeing his naked arse....Poufffffffffffffffff stinky arse!”
Same style and now claims to be racist and disdainful of the poor.
I think his wheels are about to come off...
H
“his”,,,,,,/////
The UK team are all the same people posted by Isolde....
I am a racist....and I am not responsible for the “poor”.
I thought you knew who I am by now..., anyway,
you don't need to re-copied my comments...
I can do the same thing but is just a waste of time....
but,
YOU.... like to show your stupidity....
rubbish bloody english old man
lol
It looks like another incarnation of sussie to me as well.
It will never write anything worth actually reading.
I guess that SBUS will now launch into another rant in the style of sussie featuring some kind of homosexual fantasy amongst the incoherent insults.
You are so predictable SBUS.
Why don't you ask for all our names and addresses again. What a crass way of trying to intimidate people.....................................................................
No, selling more licenses and keeping the fishery open for longer when there are already not enough squid for the boats you have is not catching the squid 'responsibly'. It is ecological terrorism. Your government is a disgrace.
What does the Warrah have to do with this? That's actually quite a long time ago.
The rest of your post makes even less sense. I don't understand a word of that last bit.
That sounds promising =) DO you have a link, or more details?
Called that way not by the turkey neck witch black widow, who is going to get out of office in 2015, but by a british very good newspaper, that knows you very very well.
from fish,
from gold(you didn't know we'd found gold, did you?),
from tourists,
& soon to be from OIL!
Lots & lots of OIL.
Your silly country could have had a share, but, well you know what Nestor did?
(God rest his soul).now its ALL OURS!(thanks for that, Nestor!)
Think l'll have the kitchen remodeled with solid granite benchtops.
Or maybe a gold-plated bathtub.
The posibilities are endless.
@51SBUS,
Shut up, fool.
You're frightening your neighbours!
I remember now.
We had a conversation about how only children and stupid people believe everything they read in the newspapers.
Got it, it read like you were directing that threat at us rather than Argentina. It's an interesting idea.
www.clarin.com/mundo/Alicia-Castro-Bretana-Assange-Malvinas_0_763723792.html
It's just the usual Kirchnerista position :
not getting your own way = arrogance
getting your own way = dialogue
Why do you try to hide your identity??
Are you ashamed of yourself?
How is your ghetto in Tempe? Or, is that a lie?
I think you need a boyfriend LOL
The other squid- forget its name- lives and breeds all in our zone so we control it 100% anyway.
The 25yr licences are not for Ilex either.
Millionaires here - maybve 2 or 3 - and they are millionaires on paper, assets and ships etc. - unaware of anyone who has it in the bank!
Your “nasty brits” dont even catch Ilex- the Japanese and Koreans are the main licence holders, and some Spanish and a few others.
Are you not going to answer questions?
You say you have nothing to hide.
Why do you try to hide your identity??
Are you ashamed of yourself?
How is your ghetto in Tempe? Or, is that a lie?
getto in Tempe....is not having in consideration USA citizens cannot afford to pay any type of rent....including the Marines....lol
The important thing is that is must be done by a mid-level chap, never top brass like a minister or an ambassador, as this will create “an episode”.
If you get the opportunity, ask somebody from FCO what they think 'Tweedledum' (or 'china shop') is doing for the moment.
The most likely answer is that she is preparing a new speech about the Falkland Islands, which she will call Malvinas.
What the h@ll are you trying to say??? Totally incomprehensible !!!
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
ha ha ha - TRANSLATION PLEASE LT UHURA.....
You are avoiding the questions.
Did you lie when you told us you live in Tempe Arizona, at 1901 Apache?
Remember, you say you have nothing to hide.
The fewer squid licences in TFI take the larger 'share' of the regional catch (if we are to believe the landing stats).
Argentina needs more money quickly, and licences bring in the 'readies'.
Short term gain, leading to medium term national and environmental disaster.
This is much worse than the EU CFP, where there is some attempt, at least, to match yield to stock size.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Only the Kirchnerists make racism a national policy.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“white people the only ones with rights to eat”
Most Argentinians are white and you won't find many Falkland Islanders with white faces, even in the winter.
When I first visited the Islands, I asked if there were many Indian/Eastern workers in the Islands as many had very dark skins. I was told quite catagorically “ They're Falkland Islanders! Haven't you poms heard of suntans”?
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