Wednesday, December 19th 2012 - 23:10 UTC

ARA Libertad is in the high seas; great reception in Mar del Plata on 9 January

The Argentine Navy flagship ARA Libertad set sail for Mar del Plata on Wednesday four days after a UN court ordered its release from the Tema port in Accra, Ghana, following a 77 day embargo (since 2 October) due to a claim by vulture fund NML Capital.

The tall ship with all its sails displayed and a huge Argentine flag left Ghana on Wednesday

Sailors boarding ARA Libertad, frigate  is expected to arrive in Mar del Plata on January 9th.

A group of 98 Argentine sailors arrived earlier in the day in Ghana to complete the crew of 44 who remained under the orders of the captain and will oversee the training frigate’s return. In the midst of the conflict 281 sailors returned to Buenos Aires.

A spokesman of the Ghanaian port authority confirmed that the ARA Libertad was refuelled prior to its voyage. The navy vessel is expected to arrive in Mar del Plata on January 9th, President Cristina Fernández announced on Tuesday. A great reception is planned for the arrival.

On Saturday, the International Court of the Law of the Sea ordered Ghana to release Libertad, which was seized by orders of a court that accepted the claims of hedge fund NML Capital.

The twenty Justices from the Court of the Law of the Sea in Hamburg, including a former Ghana Judge, voted unanimously that war ships are immune to impounds based on the Law of the Sea and the Vienna convention.

A Ghanaian delegation including military personnel was at the port to see the frigate off. Tema Port Authority Lawrence Atumbine said that earlier on Wednesday the country’s Supreme Court had signed a resolution which invalidated the commercial court that supported the injunction.

“Now the frigate Libertad has become the symbol of sovereignty and national dignity against those who want to bully or run over Argentina”, said President Cristina Fernandez.

NML and other investment funds did not accept the restructuring of Argentine defaulted bonds in 2005 or 2010 and are demanding full payment of capital and interest. These funds or ‘vulture funds’ as Argentines call them are part of the 7% that did not accept Argentine restructuring terms, while 93% did accept the new bonds.

In the case of ARA Libertad the funds were demanding payment equivalent to 370 million dollars, capital plus interests.
 

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1 Britworker (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 11:22 pm Report abuse
“Now the frigate Libertad has become the symbol of sovereignty and national dignity against those who want to bully or run over Argentina”, said President Cristina Fernandez.

She sure knows how to play the victim, anyone got a violin?
2 Shed-time (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 11:23 pm Report abuse
Ah, there you are running home with your tail between your legs. Even Alistair 'Goebbels' Campbell couldn't spin this any other way.
3 Frank (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 11:40 pm Report abuse
What happened to the calls in Angola and South Africa?
4 Bongo (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 12:04 am Report abuse
I should imagine Ghana is glad to be rid of it.
5 Anbar (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 12:05 am Report abuse
anybody with a grain of political savy would play this as a win, you can hardly criticise CFK for doing what any other politician in the world would (try to) do.

Yes, its still a highly embarrassing shit-storm based on bad debt, but you cant critique her for playing it as a win.
6 Nostrolldamus The 3rd (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 12:07 am Report abuse
That ship shall now become an indelible, metaphoric, and everlasting cynosure to all who fervently yearn for a world liberated from the yoke of feral capitalism and furciferous bankers, and a puissant dreadnought to those sauntering the halls of financial Mordor, that their heydays have seen their final gloaming.
7 Pirate Love (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 12:18 am Report abuse
Take a long hard look.... this is the last time you will see this vessel outside Argentine friendly waters, strict instructions to dock at friendly ports in future for all non military vessels, kind of narrows it down somewhat.
Job done! Argentina embarrassed appaulingly now knows its place the hard way,

Although argentina finally secured the release of the ARA “piece of sh*t” and will understandably see this as a mighty victory played to the easily pleased peasants , as argentina past and present has had nothing to celebrate other then failure, one has to ask who actually was the biggest loser ??? :))))
ghana - no
nml - there will be other opportunities.
argentine - worldwide embarrassment shown to be vulnerable, incompetent and diplomatically wreckless, strike one navy chief, oh but they got their little boat back, which they were always going to get, meanwhile other assets stay grounded for the foreseeable future, Priceless!!!:))))

SELF-DETERMINATION.
8 redpoll (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 12:26 am Report abuse
Nostril you still snouting away getting your pannage?Perhaps squabbling about your rights to estovers or emblements? You might invoke jus primus noctis or to put it in cricketing terms bowl some maiden over
9 Nostrolldamus The 3rd (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 12:35 am Report abuse
@8

Thank you for your new provision of words: pannage, estovers, emblements. Very important terms. I can see myself utilizing them figuratively in select ocassions.
10 Bongo (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 12:42 am Report abuse
@9

Still inhabiting Pseuds Corner I see.
11 Hepatia (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 12:58 am Report abuse
Its is gratifying to see that the Rule of Law has triumphed.
12 Stevie (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 01:30 am Report abuse
Big win for Arg vs NML, regardless of what some biased posters say. In their eyes, Arg will always loose and their opinion is as useful as an ashtray on a motorcycle.

Congrats Arg on your moral victory against the hedge funds.
13 ProRG_American (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 05:22 am Report abuse
LIBERTAD, it means LIBERTY you know. Spread your sails proudly as you navigate the world’s sea-lanes. Those who yearn to be free from the yoke of Unscruolous bankers look to you as their great symbol of hope and LIBERTY.
Seeing your mighty silhouette just chokes me up.
14 coldo (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 06:44 am Report abuse
I feel quite divided on this one. Argentina did win a victory IMO over a hedge fund who bought into the debt in question an are holding out for full value payment when others agreed restructuring. That seems reasonable but at the same time you have to take into account how the debt restructure happened with figures being dictated etc which is not the process you follow when re-nogociating. Regardless of it all this has been very embarrassing for the argentine population. Yet again the powers that be in your country has focused he world community on how things are conducted at a political level in you country. Highly embarrassing...!
15 reality check (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 07:28 am Report abuse
Victory!!!!!!!

IOU LIBERTAD is on her way home!!!!!!!!!
16 Shed-time (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 07:38 am Report abuse
spin spin spin the fail of diplomacy, see how fast the fail turns....

Funny to watch the la campora terroristas and mullet-strokers trying to spin this one into something positive. That boat isn't going to be leaving a mullet port any time soon, and that's for sure.

Mullet-stroker's gonna stroke.
17 Santa Fe (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 07:56 am Report abuse
A proud day indeed, and Mighty Sailing Frigate two months held in debtors prison. The RG's certainly showed who is boss, we demand the immediate release of this ship because we dont want to pay out debts jajajajjaa

A true icon for the nation, hope airfix do a model...hopefully with rust marks down the side and overflowing wc's jajajajaj
18 CJvR (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 08:04 am Report abuse
“Now the frigate Libertad has become the symbol of sovereignty and national dignity against those who want to bully or run over Argentina”

LOL! Yeah it has become a symbol alright...
19 slattzzz (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 08:08 am Report abuse
It's on the high seas not in them, mind you she might if HMS Edinburgh happens across her in the South Atlantic
20 reality check (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 08:32 am Report abuse
La Camorpa Press Release.

On arrival the IOU LIBBERTAD will be greeted by Grand Admiral Maximo. She is to be placed in a dry dock, where future generations can visit the victor of the Battle of the Bailiffs. A brass plaque is to be fixed to the deck, at the very spot where brave sailors repelled the Ghanaian Bailiff boarding party. the 17th of Decmeber will in future be celebrated as Argentine IOU Naval Day. The naval Ratings of the IOU LIBERTAD will have the letters BOB written against their names in their paybooks and will receive a pension for life, their sons, grandsons and great grandsons will qualify for automatic admission to renamed IOU Naval Academy. Campaign medals have been struck and the first 100,000 will be awarded when the IOU LIBERTAD docks.
21 lsolde (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 09:35 am Report abuse
@20 reality check,
Now you're giving them ideas!
22 Martin Woodhead (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 09:37 am Report abuse
Lol
Its hardly a great victory you got it out of hock eventually.
Sailors with some balls would have sailed home regardless of what the ghanians said.
23 ElaineB (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 09:46 am Report abuse
They still owe the money and now millions more know that Argentina is being chased by the bailiffs. Some success.

@20 LOL.
24 Stevie (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 10:06 am Report abuse
Quite amusing reading, reality check, and all you say makes sense, especially in the eyes of most posters here.
It's fun though, how you use that IOU freely to bash Argentina when all of your own nations owe more money than whole South America together.
Following your logic, USA should be renamed IOUSA and the UK to the obvious IOUK.
Of course you wont see the fun in this, and neither will your pensionists.

The day the Chinese hedge funds comes to collect the debts they'll be buying at reduced prices, you will surely understand my position, and I will still defend (IO)UK against their claws
25 ChrisR (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 10:09 am Report abuse
@20

And of course the medal will feature TMBOA, AG in hand, leading 'her' sailors to 'victory'.

She has changed her tune since when she couldnt' give a damn 'it's only a ship'!

Britain NEVER had victories like this, we alsways WIN our conflicts. LOLs
26 Anbar (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 12:00 pm Report abuse
“”“Spread your sails proudly as you navigate the world’s sea-lanes.”“”

interesting that you should say that Pro_RG_RG because thats about the only place that she is safe.

ATEOTD your ships are still effectively banned from inumerous countries for fear of seizure, just as are certain other assets such as your “Presidential” jet.

I wouldnt triumph this too loudly lest your own people look behind the curtain.
27 JIB (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 12:13 pm Report abuse
And, the ARA Espora that was on hold in SA ;) is sailing to her encounter and escort to Mar del Plata. It seems to be the MTU debt was another invention.
28 ElaineB (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 12:19 pm Report abuse
Something I noticed a lot when I first started spending considerable time in Argentina is that, as a rule, they cannot laugh at themselves. It is a different kind of humour, I guess. We poke fun and jest but they take it personally.

I am pleased to say my long-time friends there now understand and enjoy the humour. It took a while.
29 reality check (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 12:22 pm Report abuse
EB
Very true, that's all it is intended to be humour, or as those ex servicemen amongst us would say, taking the piss! another one I recall fondly, “If you can't take it, you shouldn't have joined up!”
30 MrFlagpole (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 12:36 pm Report abuse
you can't return to a heroic reception when all you've done is threaten unarmed civilians with guns and used an international court to weasel out of paying your debts.
31 reality check (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 12:48 pm Report abuse
Stevies quite right we do owe money, but we pay it back and what's even more galling, we bloody continue to lend it, go make sense of that!!!!!!!!!!!! Am I wrong in assuming we are one of the contributors to the recently used IDB?
32 gustbury (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 01:29 pm
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33 reality check (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 01:37 pm Report abuse
Orders to the Cpt of IOU LIBERTAD. (ULTRA SECRET)

“Under no circumstances are you to stop anywhere on the way home.”
34 briton (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 01:51 pm Report abuse
Aparently its got a bad leak, and may not make it back to argentina,

so they say ??
35 gustbury (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 01:55 pm Report abuse
19 slattzzz ( # )-introduce your f---- Edinburgh in your f---ass!!!
36 briton (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 02:03 pm Report abuse
why do you insult the name, its better than anything you have,
now and in the past,
HMS Edinburgh, can sink any rowing boat/destroyer / frigate , you can send against it,

so please keep your envy to yourself..lol.
37 reality check (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 02:04 pm Report abuse
Tsk! tsk! tsk. Someones upset.

Gutssy old mate! Slatzzz is an ex matlot, he fires torpedoes out of his ass!!!!!!!!!
38 gustbury (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 02:09 pm Report abuse
36@you insult usurping what belongs to Argentina and Idon't care your f-- boaty!!
39 Stevie (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 02:13 pm Report abuse
I remember ARA LIBERTAD being a “beautiful ship” and the “pride of Argentina” according to these... trolls, I'm sorry to say, at the time she was being withheld. A trophy in the moral war against Argentina.

Now that she is released, she is no more than a badly assembled, barely floating piece of wreck.

That is a major indication of Argentinas victory over the hedge funds.
40 Rosarino (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 02:15 pm Report abuse
7- you are a joke-
The Tribunal Del Mar give to us reason for USE ANY PORT IN ANY PLACE IN THE WORLD - because is a war ship-

Same as UK, USA, same as anyone-

People of Ghana LOSS 7.6 U$ million because corrupt judges-
41 briton (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 02:15 pm Report abuse
38 gustbury
thruth hurts dont it,

still,
sticks and stones, sticks and stones..ha ha.
42 reality check (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 02:25 pm Report abuse
“Corrupt judges.” Pot calling Kettle black.

Sailed after being refuelled, money up front, no cheques!!!!!
43 Simon68 (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 02:32 pm Report abuse
Great news, it will be marvellous to have ARA Libertad back home after her rather grueling and tense visit to Ghana, I'm especially glad that the crew are coming back in one piece and am sorry that they are missing Christmas and New Year with their famillies.

With regard to Rosarino's comment that Ghana has lost US$ 7.6 million, I believe that NML will be footing the bill for all losses incurred over this business. If for some reason NML does not cover Ghana's losses they will NEVER get another favourable descision from any court anywhere!!!!!!!

There is no reason, Rosarino, to say that Ghana's High Court Judge Frimpong is corrupt, from the Supreme Court descision we can only deduct that he was wrong to understand that when we, the Argentine people, said that we waived our sovereign right to immunity, it didn't include our warships, that does not mean he was corrupt, it means he was WRONG!!!
44 Shed-time (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 02:43 pm Report abuse
@43 However, you did waive your immunity regarding all state assets, and warships are state assets. Sort of makes everyone wonder why you're such a bunch of incompetent clowns, that celebrate FAIL, really.

Sorry about that.
45 Nostrolldamus The 3rd (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 02:45 pm Report abuse
For 1000 generations, will the echoes of this sublime stand lambent over the chronicles of legend, justice, and time.
46 reality check (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 02:53 pm Report abuse
I think the Ghanaians grasped this decision with both hands, as a way to sort out the problem without losing face. The Libertad was seized without the involvement of their Government through their courts. It caused a diplomatic incident which frankly, I do not think they either sought or wanted. I still find it incredulous, that a democratic people such as the Argentines, can not distinguish between the two, Executive and Judiciary.

The ruling of the Tribunal, was obeyed, it did not have to be so. The Ghanaian Court could have ruled that as this took place in internal and not international waters, the Tribunal had no jurisdiction. Part of me thinks they were hoping for this result.

Either way, they have demonstrated to all and sundry, that the rule of law exists in Ghana and that is not something you can say about all African countries.

Calling them corrupt is nieve and childish in the extreme,
47 slattzzz (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 02:57 pm Report abuse
@35 wow touchy aren't we. Edinburgh could sail past at full power and the wash would do for Libertad no need for any weapons : )
48 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 03:12 pm Report abuse
I detect the same nuances of humour in both Nostrolldamus and B_K.
49 redpoll (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 03:36 pm Report abuse
Didnt you know Nozzy snorts arcane dictionaries for breakfast!
50 brucey-babe (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 03:57 pm Report abuse
Surely the fact that the crew of Ara Libertad (a warship) threatened Ghanaians with weapons, albeit small arms, in their own waters is an act of war. Perhaps the bloggers can put me right on this issue.
51 Shed-time (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 04:18 pm Report abuse
@50 It's an act of terrorism at least... but that's no different to the la campora terroristas who regularly do similar.
52 Brit Bob (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 04:42 pm Report abuse
@46

Let us not forget that Argentina is more corrupt than Ghana: cpi.transparency.org/
53 yankeeboy (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 05:29 pm Report abuse
I'm sure people that get their house foreclosed on or car repossed think it is a victory if they get a stay.

Doesn't mean the debt is gone and the interest stops accruing though. Singer will be around a lot longer than CFK and the next gov't will have to deal with the mess she has left for them,
54 Conqueror (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 05:33 pm Report abuse
@6 It hasn't got there yet! Best not to count your chickens. Wonder what would happen if a submarine surfaced from directly beneath it? Many submarines have reinforced “fins” in order to break through polar ice.
@9 Pity you can't spell.
@11 What would you know about law, hepatitis?
@13 You mean it won't ever go anywhere else!
@24 Oh, no. We can see your “little” joke. But that's because we have little difficulty in following the limited mental processes of the lower orders. In the meantime, the UK still has a AAA rating. As has the USA. Argieland has CC, yippee! Bolivia has B+. Brazil has BBB. Chile has A+. Colombia has BBB-. Ecuador has B-. Paraguay has B1. Peru has BBB. Uruguay has BB and Venezuela has B+. So, only one worthwhile country in the whole of South America. And argieland is, quite properly, right at the bottom. C, of course, stands for the generally held view of argieland's leader, although it's not polite. B you can figure out for yourself.
@38 “you insult usurping what belongs to Argentina”. What exactly “belongs” to argieland? Kiddies never understand. When you borrow shed-loads of money, you don't “own” anything you've bought with it until you've paid all your debts back. Got it now?
@40 Goody. Legitimate target!
@45 Like all the uneducated, you get things the wrong way round. It's 0.0001 generations.
55 Stevie (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 05:48 pm Report abuse
Conqueror
Those rating lists are biased to say the least, made up by the wealthy nations to uphold the wealthy nations.
That they rate themselves AAA is not precisely astonishing.
56 ElaineB (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 06:24 pm Report abuse
@48 Yes, I agree. But they play to character so I respond to the character. Neither are very believable.
57 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 06:28 pm Report abuse
This Argentinian Tall Ship will be welcome almost everywhere in the world .. because she is a Tall Ship.
Not because she is the Flagship of the Argentinian navy.

It makes a pleasant change to have a Flagship of a nation's navy with no mounted ordnance, only an auxillary engine, and sails!

It makes it positively pacifist! And carbon-friendly.
What a great message to the nations of the world.
58 briton (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 07:10 pm Report abuse
Perhaps CFK could well set the standard for future ships,
By converting all her naval ships,
To tall sail ships with no military hardware on board,

All with wind sail,
A very good idea.
59 slattzzz (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 07:22 pm Report abuse
Just checked the Royal Navy website and spooky old thing HMS Edinburgh is just passing Sierra Leone heading south at 16 knots. Feel free to check www.royalnavy.com, current operations
60 briton (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 07:29 pm Report abuse
Now the frigate Libertad has become the symbol of sovereignty and national dignity against those who want to bully or run over Argentina”, said President Cristina

what a load of jingoistic rubbish,
61 slattzzz (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 07:33 pm Report abuse
ref my 59 it's www.royalnavy.mod.uk although there is some good vids on that other site including one of Edinburgh
62 briton (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 07:39 pm Report abuse
we have most of the military sites in fav,, thanks
63 slattzzz (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 07:53 pm Report abuse
@62 ? just keeping you informed
64 Nostrolldamus The 3rd (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 07:57 pm Report abuse
no IMF punishment, no WTO expedited rulins as requested by the north, no Libertad, no giving in to Brazilian demands, having Mexico renegotiate trade, forcing Iran to dialogue,

Argentina 3 - US/UK/EU/China/Brazil/Mexico/IMF/World Bank/Iran 0

Not even the Earth united can defeat us.
65 Stevie (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 08:02 pm Report abuse
If you think the world is against Argentina, you've already lost Nostrolldamus.
And by you I mean you personally.
66 Mendoza Canadian (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 08:06 pm Report abuse
A big party in Mar del Plata...the propaganda machine is in full swing for that one. She will take all the credit for the return of the ship...a ton of money will be spent...the campora will be there...Evita will be dug up and attend of course...what a load of crap!!!
67 slattzzz (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 08:13 pm Report abuse
@66 the same ship she didn't care about a few weeks ago
68 yankeeboy (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 09:03 pm Report abuse
Toby, Do you consider a brief delay a win?
I guess if you don't lose you win in your world
It is all you can hope for and
it is very sad.

On a brighter note I see all Wheat exports have stopped, is that a win too?
Another storm yesterday, guess no planting Soy, any idea when they'll just give up? Probably soon

On the wheat you need 11 you may get 10 do you think they'll make up the difference with good ol' USA wheat?
I hope so
69 Shed-time (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 10:08 pm Report abuse
@64 FYI it's Iran/Argentina/North Korea
70 slattzzz (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 10:19 pm Report abuse
@64 no one can defeat YOU in talking shite
71 Falklands are British (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 11:52 pm Report abuse
65 Stevie

The guy is off his rocker, Nostrolldamus The TURD is writing from some looney bin having been sectioned under some mental health act. He is the sort who will be planning ways to invade Poland as I write or strutting around with one hand in his Great coat thinking of the time he invaded the Iberian Peninsula.

Why do people respond to someone so clearly demented?
72 reality check (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 06:41 am Report abuse
Bad news for ProRG_Yank.

Owing to climate change in the South Atlantic (See story on FI Wind Farm)
the arrival of IUO LIBERTAD at Mar Del Prat, is expected to be delayed by two weeks.

However a spokes person for the Argentine IOU Navy said, “This is ok, as El Presidentes Victory speech will just be finishing as the Pride of The Nation pulls alongside. A further weeks delay could have causes slight problems, as the arrival would interupt Senor Tinmans speech.” Neither person was available for comment, all further communication on this matter should be addressed to their Litigation Lawyers.
73 Stevie (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 07:15 am Report abuse
FaB
He's merely a nationalist, like most of his opposition here.
74 Falklands are British (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 10:49 am Report abuse
73

What N'the TURD is writing in his posting 64 is typical of someone who needs to undergo a long overdue and urgent lobotomy. From what I have been reading, this posting is no different from his others either. He is clearly psychotic. He is fcuking delusional.
75 Stevie (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 11:08 am Report abuse
FaB
With all respect, claiming that someone needs a lobotomy for posting drivel on a thread is, according to me, quite delusional aswell, but I'm no psychiatrist. For that very same reason, I couldn't either agree or disagree on your final statements.
76 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 11:40 am Report abuse
Picture caption: “The tall ship with all its sails displayed and a huge Argentine flag left Ghana on Wednesday”

Well, all I can see are jibs, staysails and gaffsail spanker.
But with all of its square sails reefed it can hardly be said to be displaying all its sails. It is, after all, a Square Rigger.

This is just a getting-out-of-port sail setting.
77 ChrisR (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 12:02 pm Report abuse
76 GeoffWard2

But do the argies sailing her know that? :o)
78 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 12:10 pm Report abuse
Dunno, but patently Mercopress doesn't!
79 Simon68 (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 02:43 pm Report abuse
78 GeoffWard2 (#)
Dec 21st, 2012 - 12:10 pm

I wonder how many picture editors ar competent sailing masters????
80 Pete Bog (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 04:50 pm Report abuse
“Now the frigate Libertad has become the symbol of sovereignty and national dignity against those who want to bully or run over Argentina”, said President Cristina Fernandez.”

Before she thinks of the next way to bully 3,000 Falkland Islanders.

Is this a re-run of 1982 when Argentine ships headed for port and stayed there?

Still there has been a lot of harbour space freed up by the cruise ships that don't want to endure Argentinas bullying any more, so the Libertard won't be blocking any commercial space.

The Argentine Navy at least will never try invading the Falklands if NML set up an office in Stanley.

And that's the last we'll hear of Aerolinas Argentinas suggesting flights to MPA, in case NML set up an office there too!

Another ship fleeing to Argentina (it's not risking calls at other ports)= victory for Argentina. As good as it gets for them.

Sad aint it?
81 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 05:18 pm Report abuse
Si #79,
any 10 year old who has watched Pirates of the Caribbean knows that cannon balls go through 'square' sails. Even picture editors were 10 once ;-)
82 ChrisR (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 07:04 pm Report abuse
81 GeoffWard2

And those of us who are avid wooden fighting ship fans know that a long 9 will put a ball through 24” of oak at over 2 miles.

I bet the argies would even run away from that sort of armament. :o)
83 lsolde (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 09:39 pm Report abuse
@82 Chris,
The Manila Galleon was made from Philippine teak.
l think it was only captured once or twice.
l read somewhere that cannonballs used to bounce off its hull.
But what a prize!
84 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 10:42 pm Report abuse
USS Constitution 1812 ... 200 foot, 55 gun. 24” thick hull, built of live oak sandwiched between two layers of white oak gave it the 'Iron sides' tag because British 18 pounder cannonballs bounced off.
The battle was reprised in fiction in Russell Crowe's 'Master and Commander', but the Live Oak was so prized that even in the early 19 century the British scoured the American coastline to win it.
85 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 01:19 am Report abuse
Argentine's around the world love CFK she delivers. Unlike people who promise peace in the middle east and things got from bad to worst, let's not get all get on high horses here, I think people here should take notes rather then passing judgment, wasn't the actions of a few judges that brought us this witch hunt?
www.gregpalast.com/the-globalizer-who-came-in-from-the-cold/
86 reality check (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 02:21 am Report abuse
LMFHO

Argentines around the world love and supprt Chritina, herrrr!!!!!!!

If that's the case, pray tell me Oh! wise one? why the fuck are they living atound the world and not in Argentina????????????????????

You have any idea what a stupid fucking statement that is???

Oh, Christina, we really love and support you, we would come home honest, but we are not feeling to well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What we really fucking mean, is we left for a better life and take your fucking hands off our hard earned dollars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
87 briton (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 08:10 pm Report abuse
aparently she plays with her toy soldiers and ships and planes,
and aparently she beats the brits and get the falklands evey day she plays.

still,
nothing wrong in playing with her toys,, is there.lol.
88 lsolde (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 09:32 pm Report abuse
@87 briton,
l'd say that she plays with herself.
The stupid woman.
89 andy65 (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 11:01 pm Report abuse
Theres something fishy about Cristina or is that just how she smells
90 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 12:59 am Report abuse
#86 because Argentina is under British illegal occupation and under nuclear threat someone has to stay alive to support a nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina, is your nick name a joke? Seems like it, besides I have rights to live in security ask your government.
#87 why would CFK want a British corporate?
#88 you must be talking about your mother because CFK is still a hot woman.
#89 you never being anywhere near CFK Lol it's just the way you yourself stink, go shower pig.
91 lsolde (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 12:40 pm Report abuse
@90 P-H,
FYI, My mother is still a very good looking woman, a lot better than your stupid, ugly president & that's for sure.
Would you know what to do with nuclear weapons, peanut brain?
Apart from blowing yourself up?
But then that could be a good thing, eh Alex?
92 ProRG_American (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 04:45 pm Report abuse
La Nacion and C5N have confirmed that ARA Espora has sailed from South Africa and is headed towards the Brazilian coast where it will join ARA Libertad to escort it into Mar Del Plata Naval base on January 9, 2013.
MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR!
93 ChrisR (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 04:54 pm Report abuse
92 ProRG_culo

Must be a lash-up job for Espora because I have seen the photos of the damage to the whole electrical distribution system and even the German builders acknowledged it was a 5 or 6 month job to do it correctly.

But there we have it, don’t we.

The country that ‘walks on water’ mainly because her boats sink, won’t have taken any notice of that and will be limping back because of the politics of the situation NOT the safety of the crew.

As an American sailor, ha, ha, ha, you should know these things: but you don’t do you?
94 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 06:57 pm Report abuse
I think, Isolde, she is not intrinsically ugly;
Cristina is just old, and is trying to hold back the ravages of time.

I have the same problem with my waistline, but I draw the line at having the tummy-tuck to get rid of it. I have seen the pain involved, and I am an old coward - or too sensible, depending on your point of view.
95 briton (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 07:00 pm Report abuse
poor 90=92.
two desperados trying to convince the warders they are innocent.

but the asylum is not that silly, lol.
96 tczeroone (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 05:31 am Report abuse
Here's my take: Argentina has in fact scored a major victory. Due to the Tribunal of the Sea ruling/order, contrary to what some posters have said above, going forward ARA Libertad, Espora et al will be able to go anywhere they please whenever they please, without any fear whatsoever. This is because now there is legal precedent that those assets cannot be seized nor even detained by any State. So no judge anywhere will waste time delaying these ships knowing that he/she will ultimately have to release them - and especially so if, by detaining them, significant costs would be incurred which would not be recoverable from the untendered bondholders. So while other points made above regarding Argentina's poor governance, policy mix & poor treatment of it's bondholders might have merit, I think that Argentina's victory in the case of the naval assets is very real & undeniable.
97 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 11:54 am Report abuse
Argentina believes that there is still unfinished business wrt TFI.
Undoubtably, a declaration of war and conforming to the cecession of war is not the way Argentina does things.
Therefore the UK has a moral position that war reparations can be achieved by restraining and retaining any or all military assets that come her way.

It is not just the bond-holders that are in need of recompense,
and Argentina's 'military' assets on the high seas or in a suitable harbour should be 'fair game' towards payback for the expense incurred in 1982. My guess is that around £6billion (present value) should cover it.

Did the UK ask for and get reparations? If not, why not?
98 ChrisR (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 02:26 pm Report abuse
97 GeoffWard2

I see to remember a few aircraft and APCs’ as well as the crap PW (mainly FN SLR) but the Unimogs were never paid for by the argies and I think Mercedes had them back from the MoD.

Doubt if the stuff was worth five bob (that will confuse the argies). :o)
99 British_Kirchnerist (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
Good news, roll on the 9th =)
100 briton (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 11:40 pm Report abuse
9th [y]

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