Monday, January 28th 2013 - 20:13 UTC

An Argentine queen for the House of Orange; Beatrix steps down April 30

Dutch Queen Beatrix, who turns 75, announced she was abdicating in favour of her son, Prince Willem-Alexander, who will become king on April 30. Willem-Alexander, 45, is married to Argentine born Princess Maxima Zorreguieta and has three young children.

Queen Beatrix with Prince Willem-Alexander and Princess Maxima

The Dutch royal family enjoying a sunny day

Decades of grooming for the throne involved shaking off his image as a beer-drinking fraternity boy whose blunt comments upset the press and politicians.

Beatrix said in a television broadcast to the nation that she was stepping down because she felt her son was ready to take her place on the throne.

A constitutional monarchy, the Netherlands had reduced the involvement of the Royal House in politics, a role long seen more as a formality than a position of power.

In the past, the Queen took part in forming government coalitions by appointing a political mediator, raising questions about behind-the-scenes influence on the democratic process.

That role was scrapped before the last election, which took place in September 2012.

It was widely rumoured that Queen Beatrix was no fan of anti-immigrant, Euro-sceptic politician Geert Wilders. She alluded in speeches to the need for tolerance and multi-culturalism, comments that were seen as criticisms of Wilders' anti-Islamic views.

Wilders' poor showing at the last election and loss of influence in politics, could well have contributed to her decision to abdicate.

Queen Beatrix, who remains very popular with the Dutch, became the sixth monarch of the House of Orange in 1980 following the abdication of her mother, Queen Juliana, who reigned for 31 years.

Juliana was 73 years old and in deteriorating mental health when she abdicated but Beatrix has remained active and in good health despite some setbacks.

The queen was emotionally shaken when a man drove his car into a Queen's Day procession in 2009. Her middle son, Prince Johan Friso, has been in a coma ever since he was buried in an avalanche while skiing last year.

Princess Maxima Zorreguieta is the daughter of a former Argentine Agriculture minister under the military dictatorship and his name has been occasionally named in the many human rights cases before Argentine courts, but no charges were ever brought against him.
 

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1 screenname (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 08:35 pm Report abuse
Can we expect the forced handover of Aruba to Venezuela?
2 Think (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 08:39 pm Report abuse
Her Royal Highness, Queen Beatrix has true class……
Other old Queens in Europe should follow her example and abdicate in favour of their mature sons….,................
3 briton (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 08:40 pm Report abuse
Argentine born Princess

My my
CFK will be muffed.
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4 Orbit (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 08:54 pm Report abuse
Mirror, mirror on the wall... who is the fairest of them all?

Watch out for gifts of apples from CFK Princess MZ...
5 Monkeymagic (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 08:57 pm Report abuse
Think

How about you...? You are an old queen...when are you going to hand over your title as biggest tosser on Mercopress to Marcos??
6 screenname (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 09:00 pm Report abuse
How come these Amerindians are blonde?

@3 briton: please tell me you meant miffed.

The horrific vision of CFK getting muffed is now scarred onto my brain....
7 reality check (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 09:04 pm Report abuse
@6
PMSL
8 LEPRecon (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 10:19 pm Report abuse
@6

ROFLMFAO!!!
9 jeffski (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 10:20 pm Report abuse
@5&6 LMFAO
10 Shed-time (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 10:35 pm Report abuse
A dutch person marrying 'a german' is quite common. It happened all the time in WW2.

Nothing to see here, move along.
11 andy65 (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 10:48 pm Report abuse
@Think (#) And perhaps your SO CALLED leader Princess Tippy toes SS Hitler Kirchner should piss off once and for all and take her substance abusing son the obese Maximo kirchner with her-what a disgrace to have a botox queen as a leader.
12 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 11:12 pm Report abuse
@6

Eyes burning!!

Brain hurts!
13 yankeeboy (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 11:46 pm Report abuse
Her father was part of the Junta and wasn't invited to the wedding. I am surprised Think is a agog over this.

www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2013/01/new_complaint_against_maximas.php

Rgs forever embarrassing themselves.
14 CaptainSilver (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 12:40 am Report abuse
Queen of Orange, I thought they meant Kristina!
15 Frank (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 12:53 am Report abuse
The next in line after Willem-Alexander will have good fascist bloodlines...
16 Vestige (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 01:17 am Report abuse
15 - Just like those German Saxe-Coburgs, claiming their benefits in Buckingham palace.
Changing their name to 'Windsor' (to hide their German family tree) ...isn't that benefit fraud?
Archaic, anti-democratic nonsense in any case.
Speaking of trees, Charles, the man who speaks TO trees should get his unelected, genetically determined, turn on the big fancy golden chair soon enough....and when that happens the world will (v.quickly) have two new republics.
Canada and Australia.
17 Fido Dido (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 01:52 am Report abuse
I was hoping that my country would become a Constitutional Republic. Oh well..sad news.
18 Anglotino (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 01:56 am Report abuse
I was wondering how long this story would take to appear here. Considering many of the staunch anti-monarchical comments by Argentineans it will be interesting how they treat Queen Maxima. Especially considering her father.

Princess Mary, the Australian born future queen of Denmark has done a lot to increase the ties between our countries.

@16 Vestige
You obviously don't know Australia so really shouldn't speak on its behalf. Republicanism is continually declining in popularity. Either way there's a good chance the throne may go directly to William.

I look around the world at various republics like India, Zimbabwe, Venezuela, Russia, USA and especially Argentina and thank my lucky stars I live in a constitutional monarchy.
19 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 02:49 am Report abuse
Brits complaining about “fascists” in a monarchy.

Just when you think you can't get more hypocritical, they find new ways to outdo themselves.

Say hi to Philip for me.

signed,

This guy
theoligarchkings.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/prince-harry-as-nazi.jpg
20 Anglotino (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 03:08 am Report abuse
Someone's language skills have really degenerated lately.

There's not even a pretense of intelligence or articulation now.
21 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 03:23 am Report abuse
As I said, dumbest poster of them all... to resort to nebulous hyperbole such as “degenerate language skills” (What? where?... Of course you could not even elaborate on it. Guess it's hard to do that when there your statement is hollow and reeking of noetic impotence to what I averred.)

Notice how you did not even attempt a vacuous feint at refuting what I redacted.

Keep yammering coruscate of “pretense of intelligence, and articulation”. The more you do, the more a must redolent of a jactitator creates a patina round your epithet.
22 reality check (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 08:01 am Report abuse
Dadaaa! hey presto! out comes the Thesaurus again! nothing if not predictable,
23 Shed-time (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 08:09 am Report abuse
@21 the reason no one refutes what you say is because they are never on topic. They're cheap attempts at getting people to discuss something else by referring to irrelevant times in British history.

Don't be sour that no one falls for it.
24 Anglotino (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 09:30 am Report abuse
@22 Reality Check

I know it was way way too easy.

An appeal to his vanity, insecurity and superiority complex.

Hook, line and sinker!
25 lsolde (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 10:03 am Report abuse
briton,
You're making me smile again.
26 yankeeboy (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 12:11 pm Report abuse
21. I think I am going to copy tha tpost to my Facebook so I my friends can have a laugh today.
Good gracious how embarrassing!

On another note, everyone seems to be a little worried there aren't any rains on the plains. They only have a week to 10 days before this crop comes in and if this dry HOT HOT HOT weather keeps up it doesn't look good.
A true 19th Century economy and they wonder why their failing.
27 CaptainSilver (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 12:23 pm Report abuse
Oi Nostril!

It says above posts must be in English... If you were well known you would be a prime candidate for the Campaign for Plain English's Foot in Mouth award.
Learn to speak proper English! And while you are at it study logic too.

I thought many Argentineans were Queens?
28 Gustbury (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 01:28 pm Report abuse
6 screenname ( # )you're pretty stupid, there's no Indian in Argentina!
29 briton (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 01:36 pm Report abuse
6 screenname
Mmm you may well be correct,
I was thinking of milf.

But CFK would not fit the bill..lol.

.
30 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 03:25 pm Report abuse
Translation of posts 22-29 in “high” English:

waah! waah! waah!
31 Vestige (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 03:35 pm Report abuse
18. Canada and Australia are standing at the door with hat and coat. Consult the stats. Once lizzy kicks it it won't matter who sits on the shiny seat.

“I look around the world at various republics like India, Zimbabwe, Venezuela, Russia, USA and especially Argentina and thank my lucky stars I live in a constitutional monarchy.”

I look around the world at various republics like Austria, Germany, France, Switzerland, Ireland, Italy, Finland. I think they must be happy they have higher quality of life than your constitutional monarchy.

Or constitutional monarchies such as Bhutan, Jordan, Bahrain, Cambodia, Lesotho. www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWAqI6mvmWI
32 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 03:40 pm Report abuse
@31

I wonder if the Australian aborigenes are thanking their lucky stars to be living under a constitutional monarchy lead by a woman 20 shade paler than their own skin.
33 andy65 (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 03:52 pm Report abuse
@21 Nostrolldamus the 8th , Sounds like you've been at the substance abuse with your old mate the ever OBESE SEXLESS MAXIMO KIRCHNER
34 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 04:03 pm Report abuse
@33

Answer the question you brit, should the aborigenes thank their lucky stars yes or no? Very simple.

And you Brits are still obsessed with Maximo huh.
35 andy65 (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 04:18 pm Report abuse
Well from what I know and see The Aborigenes always greet the British Royal family well and are pleased to see then,not knowing any personally I can only guess they are very happy to have Queen Elizabeth as head of state.
We Brits are not obsessed with super obese pot smoking Maximo just obersevant how such a lazy slob can be paraded as the son of your dear leader the chemically enhansed Nazi lover Hitler Kirchner, oh and remind us all what job besides bleeding Argentina dry does Maximo do you greaseball piece of shit.
36 redpoll (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 04:37 pm Report abuse
I think Assies are mostly happy with being a monarchy. Didnt they have a referendum n that not so long ago? The only time the Crown ever intruded into Aussie politics recently was an Australian appointed governor general opposed to Gough Whitlams proposals
37 Vestige (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 04:46 pm Report abuse
Yes, there was a notorious referendum. A split in the republicans over which model to choose caused 55% to keep the status quo.
No worries though, just a tedious wait. sigh :(
(deck of cards effect after Aus goes)
38 agent999 (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 05:07 pm Report abuse
@37

Polls show Australians support the monarchy
www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10811883
39 andy65 (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 05:32 pm Report abuse
@Vestige, Often wishful thinking from plonkers like you there have been several referendums over the years with Canada, Australia,they are FREE to make there choice no one is keeping them or making them be something thet do not wish to be SELF DETERMINATION is something The UK belives in unlike that TYRANT in Argentina trying to colonise The Falkland Islands
40 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 05:55 pm Report abuse
KEEP playing the dummy card you brits, you are suited for the role.

“Australians support the monarchy”.

I did not write “Australians”, I wrote “Aborigenes”.

That's the only card you've got left, play the dummies who can't read. You don't have to, I already knew none of you could read. No reason to add dummie to that one.
41 andy65 (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 06:06 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus the 8th There you go again flying of at a tangent talking shit, do us all a favour and go and swing from the udders of your botox queen the not so beautiful old hag Crissy the rat Kirchner the Nazi lover
42 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 06:12 pm Report abuse
You oily pizza-faced anglo, can't answer the question huh you light torch.

Do the australian aborigenes aprove of the monarchy, yes or no?

These neanderthalish Euros stil can't answer a yes or no question.
43 Vestige (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 06:13 pm Report abuse
39. 37

www.aph.gov.au/binaries/library/pubs/rp/1998-99/99rp25-1.gif

government paper. :)
44 redpoll (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 06:21 pm Report abuse
@2 Think Complete agreement with you. When is Queen Crissy going to abdicate in favour of her son Phat Max?
45 GeoffWard2 (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 06:23 pm Report abuse
OK, the prospective Queen had a dad who was in the government of the military junta.
The dad may have been really bad, or maybe not.
But are the sins of the government heaped on the father?
And are these supposed sins heaped on the daughter?

Is there a whiff in in the media of both Europe and South America imputing 'unacceptible origins' for this presumptive Queen?
46 andy65 (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 06:42 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus the 8th & 43 VestigeWe know you live under the thumb of your beloved Botoz Queen but lket me tell you once again

Australia Canada or any other country that Queen Elizabeth is head of state are FREE to decide there own future and destiny ANYTIME they wish by way of referendum even The Queen states this herself as below.

In 1999, a referendum was held to decide whether Australia would remain a constitutional monarchy or become a republic headed by a president. A majority of voters expressed a preference to retain the monarchy.

In the following year, during a visit to Australia, The Queen reaffirmed her pledge to serve as The Queen of Australia for as long as Australians want her: “I have always made it clear that the future of the monarchy in Australia is an issue for you, the Australian people, and you alone, to decide by democratic and constitutional means. It should not be otherwise.”

For some reason these Argentine idiots talk as though The British are holding these countrys against there will,unlike Argentina these people are free to determine there own futures SELF DETERMINATION either by a constitutional monarchy or by becoming a republic it is up to them.
47 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 06:49 pm Report abuse
Do the Aborigenes approve of the Monarchy, yes or no?

Try #7
48 andy65 (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 06:54 pm Report abuse
No they don't just like most Argentines do not NOW approve of a thieving lieing manipulating president
49 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 07:07 pm Report abuse
You win 24 hours of free-passes... say what you want andy about Argentina and argies, I won't come after you and humiliate you with my superior vocabulary, intellect, and savoir-faire. That is one great prize.

To the others... this is not applicable, so behave.
50 andy65 (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 07:15 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus the 8th you need help just like that twat that rules you how you could be superior than anyone not Argentine when your probably one of the poor twats that survive on less than $7 per day
GREASE BALL
51 agent999 (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 07:16 pm Report abuse
@40 Nostrolldamus the 8th
If you check I was replying to Vestige not your nonsense about aborigenes (Aborigines}

43 Vestige
what nonsense!

You link to a document over 10 years old in reply to a poll in 2012
52 briton (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 07:19 pm Report abuse
tut tut,
Such animosity, bad vibes mr Nostrolldamus

How’s your own native Indians doing .
53 andy65 (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 07:19 pm Report abuse
@43 Vestige WHAT A PLONKER you refer to a document dated 98 99 now the last referendum was 99 so even though the DOCUMENT states a clear YES for a republic Australians still went ahead and voted to keep a constitutional monarchy LOL now what does that tell you.
54 DanyBerger (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 07:27 pm Report abuse
“Argentine Queen for the House of Orange”
Is that good or bad?
55 andy65 (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 07:38 pm Report abuse
@ DIRTYDANNYBEEFBURGER,Certainly would not want to be ruled by anyone from that country you call Argentina, you only need to look at the freak who's in charge there now of a good indication of what you get
56 Vestige (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 07:41 pm Report abuse
Yes the document is old.
The document shows a consistent trend backed by govt obtained numbers.
The 99 referendum was lost due to a split among republicans, over which model to adopt.
The trend will have continued no doubt. Steep rises and dips over the decades, but the 50 yes 50!!!! year trend is *consistent*.
One direction *over 50 years*.
With *45%* pro-republic, with a republican split, over *10 years ago*.
Deny this ...please.
57 andy65 (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 07:46 pm Report abuse
@43 Vestige But we Brits are cool with it it's not something we talk about it's an Australian issue it's up to them SELF DETERMINATION BABY A DIRTY WORD IN ARGENTINA.
58 briton (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 07:59 pm Report abuse
54
depends on CFK ..
59 Vestige (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 08:28 pm Report abuse
lol “SELF DETERMINATION BABY A DIRTY WORD IN ARGENTINA.”..... who self determined your head of state ???
60 andy65 (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 08:42 pm Report abuse
@Vestige, Does being stipid come naturally??? you seem concerned about Australia and the choices it can make, unlike Argentina who are more like colonials-think about it
61 Steveu (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 09:32 pm Report abuse
@59 If it was the will of the people to change to a republic in the UK, you would expect one or more of the major parties putting this forward in the same way that our membership of the EU is a hot potato

As far as I am aware no major (or for that matter even minor) party is campaigning for a change to the status quo. even Alex Salmond has promised that Scotland would remain a constitutional monarchy even if Scotland votes to break away from the UK in the forthcoming referendum.

The reason for this, of course, is that the monarchy's role is now largely symbolic but it also puts checks and balances in place against government excess or in cases where a viable government cannot be formed (as happened in Australia and as could have happened after the 2010 UK election where a government took several days to form).

The monarchy aren't stupid, they know they only have their position as a result of popular consensus. If that ever changed, they would be out on their ears in very short order. Before people ask, there has been no referendum on the monarchy because no-one has asked for one.
62 Britworker (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 09:45 pm Report abuse
I doubt it will be long before she is running up debts and refusing to pay them back, then appointing a royal plastic surgeon and setting up protectionist measures in favour of Edam and having royal pot an pan parades.
They all apear to have screw loose!
63 Vestige (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 09:54 pm Report abuse
60 - name calling.
61 - if's and's and buts.
64 Steveu (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 10:07 pm Report abuse
@63 “if it is the will of the people....”

Personally, I like those kinds of “ifs”
65 Vestige (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 10:16 pm Report abuse
'but'...it wasn't.
'and'...it isn't.
66 andy65 (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 11:03 pm Report abuse
@Vestige OK you really are stupid, once again the future of Australia or any other country where the Queen is head of state is completely up to that country to decide at ANY time, If they wish to be a constitutional monarchy,a republic or anything else they wish to be its up to them it's called SELF DETERMINATION and will be decided by referendum(a dirty word to Argentines) now I know in Argentina you might find it hard to understand that but that's how it goes-Can you tell us all why your beloved leader SS Hitler Kirchner wants a third term in office??? surely two terms is enough for her and Maximo to bleed Argentina dry
67 Steveu (#) Jan 29th, 2013 - 11:07 pm Report abuse
@65 OK smart arse

Would you like to share your vision with us?
68 Vestige (#) Jan 30th, 2013 - 12:37 am Report abuse
“up to that country to decide at ANY time”...kinda true enough, although it takes some time to go through the procedure and paperwork, get past opposition in parliament, agree dates and wording, and organize the referendum itself.
They don't happen very often so timing is important. Which is where lizzys demise comes into the picture.
(I realllly cant see there being a king of Australia)
69 andy65 (#) Jan 30th, 2013 - 01:40 am Report abuse
@Vestige You not being able to see a King of Australia is erelevant it's up to Australians to decide and them alone just like the same in Canada or any other country where the Queen is head of state,unlike that twisting corupt hateful piece of shit Kirchner and her obese son still looking for a third term to rob your country even more.
70 DanyBerger (#) Jan 30th, 2013 - 02:37 am Report abuse
This is really funny Scotland, Wells, NI, Australian, NZ, Canada & co are puppet English Crown. None have ever voted for them but to remove them requires a lot of paper work, referendums, and who knows.

This remind me this king of Africa dictatorship where the democratic dictator claim to be the most democratic person in the world and if some one rises his hand up to say something against him then is found dead in the closer river.
71 redpoll (#) Jan 30th, 2013 - 03:22 am Report abuse
@70 Dunny crapper Where is Wells?
72 lsolde (#) Jan 30th, 2013 - 10:01 am Report abuse
Tunbridge Wells, perhaps?
73 DanyBerger (#) Jan 30th, 2013 - 10:18 am Report abuse
@ redpoll

This little place where there are nothing and full of sheep.

To be honest mate I don't know how is spelled because in my mind only come sheep.
My be Whales? Guales? Gales? someting like that...

Why is important?
74 Vestige (#) Jan 30th, 2013 - 12:18 pm Report abuse
yes andy and they will decide, which is what Ive been telling you.
end of circular thread.
75 redpoll (#) Jan 30th, 2013 - 12:38 pm Report abuse
Duunny Please do stop bleating about your lady friends
76 Room237 (#) Jan 30th, 2013 - 01:53 pm Report abuse
@73 typical Argie attitude, a whole country doesn't matter, we arnen't a puppet to the English crown and like the rest of the United Kingdom and commonwealth we can choose to stay or leave. Its called SELF DETERMINATION and we choose to be part of the UK. I love the bit were ArseBurger thinks the Royal Family carry out hits on critics.
77 andy65 (#) Jan 30th, 2013 - 02:13 pm Report abuse
@Vestige Just like they decided in 99 yet you show a document that suggest the people should have voted for a republic-strange hey
78 Clyde15 (#) Jan 30th, 2013 - 02:15 pm Report abuse
#70
Oh dear oh dear Dany, your blissful ignorance is shining through again. Since 1603 and consolidated in 1707 by the Act of Union, NO separate English crown is subjugating the rest of the country. She is Queen of the UNITED KINGDOM and N.IRELAND. Note the word UNITED.
As for the Commonwealth countries, they can decide whether or not to become republics - they are allowed to vote on this without any veto from the UK. The UK could also get rid of the monarchy if they so wished.
To remove your queen would require dynamite, which may not be long in coming.

#49
Your modesty becomes you...but you and your country have a lot to be modest about....if you wish to comment on the grammar of the last statement I will change it from a colloquialism to ” about which you and your country have a lot to be modest.
79 Vestige (#) Jan 30th, 2013 - 03:22 pm Report abuse
77 - lets go round again. maybe we'll turn back the hands of tiiiiime.
infinite loop.
see my earlier posts. press repeat.
make sure to set an alarm clock.
80 Falkland Islands (#) Jan 30th, 2013 - 03:43 pm Report abuse
@2 Think, Her Royal Highness, Queen Beatrix has true class……
I'm sure you said you hate Royal people, so what's changed your mind, oh yes I forgot she is an Argie so that's ok. Such a bigot you are Think!
81 briton (#) Jan 30th, 2013 - 07:29 pm Report abuse
Why bother, they know not,
They are merely playing with you, and throwing rubbish in the air,

don’t entertain them,

They are without doubt jealous and very envious of the British full stop.
82 Anglotino (#) Jan 30th, 2013 - 08:42 pm Report abuse
Wow so much crap to wade through. Unfortunately even though its a gorgeous day I gotta work!

Vestiges you keep going around in circles by your own admission partly because you are basing your opinion on a FIFTEEN year old graph.

Try this: www.theage.com.au/national/republic-young-want-to-keep-it-in-the-royal-family-20121019-27wxe.html

All monarchies have a republican streak we aren't any different.

Tobias, not all Aborigines (capitalised) do not support the monarchy. They are free from repression to speak their mind. We don't run away from what we did to them in our past. We don't blame another country. Indeed, do we treat them worse than Argentina treats her aboriginals?

DanyBerger, you obviously missed how many countries declared independence from the UK in the past 60 years. Doesn't seem to be that difficult after all.

Don't mistake Australia's difficult referendum process for any other country's. You obviously don't know anything about our political system. There is a reason we made referenda difficult to pass. Our states our sovereign entities. Unlike many other federations, they have an international legal identity and sovereignty. It has been argued that each Australian state as a successor state to a colony has its own queen. Meaning there may be a Queen of Victoria!

Either way, as one if the world's oldest continuing democracies you have to little to argue with when it comes to our ability to show self determination. After all, we are the original self-determiners.

The first country formed by a vote!

Your rebuttals will be replied to after work. Only four weeks till I'm a full-time student again so gotta go and earn some money.
83 Vestige (#) Jan 30th, 2013 - 11:38 pm Report abuse
Anglotino, your single newspaper reference containing details from one poll is indeed interesting.
Although I can't see having the oppositions low point being 45% as something to shout about.
Unfortunately I had to use that 15 yr dated pic as I couldn't find anything else as concise that gave such a good overall picture of the game.
You might have noticed that the numbers are quite erratic, 1988 at around 20% support pro republic ...and then 1995 at around 65% !!!
(less than a decade for a 45% difference....add the nature of these numbers to the fact that the republicans only have to get lucky once..uh oh)
Regardless, I expect you see the trend, even with jittery numbers around the early and late 90's, i can only estimate the steady overall upward creep has continued, as per the previous half century.
Oh btw...this might change things just a lil

www.theage.com.au/national/asian-migration-a-tour-de-force-20110616-1g62x.html

Indians , Chinese, Vietnamese - not noted for their pro-monarchy views.
84 andy65 (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 01:14 am Report abuse
@Vestige Why are you so obsessed with Australia and the path it might take one way or the other??? it is for Australians to decide no one is forcing them,if the day comes they wish to become a republic then we will wish them well one thing that will not change is the close ties our two country's share,you could say like you do with Spain only Australia and The UK will not be nationalising or stealing each others assets or company's GET MY POINT????
85 Vestige (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 03:35 am Report abuse
Im not obsessed with Australia.
86 DanyBerger (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 09:25 am Report abuse
@Room237

So are you telling me that you are happy by being ruling by the English?

Your head of state is the English Queen.
You use English currency.
You speak English.
Your govt. resides in London.

And don’t know for you but this looks like a province of UK than a county?
And Arg. Province has more independence and Self D that Walis and Scotland.

Would you like to become and Argie province?
You will be allowed to print your own currency, Laws, govt. etc.

@Clyde15

And tell me who is the queen/king of Scotland or Walis?
I’ve never heard of them and you?

This looks like the Kingdom of England and her united provinces.

Indoctrinated who?

BTW for Englishssss Speakers, do you know that there is something called paragraph?

tanqueU
87 Clyde15 (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 11:26 am Report abuse
#86
And tell me who is the queen/king of Scotland or Walis?
I’ve never heard of them and you?
There are lots of things of which you have not heard or understand: you prove this on a daily basis.

The clue is in her official title !!!!
She is not only Queen of England, but also Scotland, Wales - note the spelling -and N. Ireland, under one country called the United Kingdom. With your limited thought processes I realise that this may be hard to grasp as you would have to count to four.

The present Sovereign's full style and title is “Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith”.

Would you like to become and Argie province?
You will be allowed to print your own currency, Laws, govt. et

Currency
No thanks , we have an adequate supply of toilet paper.

Laws
Gaucho Rivero ? Give us the Falklands because we want them and we shoot ourselves in the foot until you do.

Government.
Sorry, I didn't know you had a functioning one. I thought it was the make CFK and family rich cartel
88 Room237 (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 12:04 pm Report abuse
@86 Shows how little you really know ArseBurger, our Head of State is the British Queen, notice the difference, we use the GBP or to an idiot like you the Great British Pound, my first language is Welsh, I only learnt English when I went to secondary school and my government resides in Cardiff.
So you are wrong on every point you make. As for becoming a Argie province, why would we want to give up our liberty and freedom to join a dictatorship.
89 DanyBerger (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 02:15 pm Report abuse
@Clyde15

Ah! Wales yeap

Have you ever been in Wales Cly de 15?

A lo ohf sheep, mate and countryside, have you noted that?

Like if the Englissssssh have starved the place for centuries.

So in short are you happy to be ruling by the English so?
Good.

@Room237

“my government resides in Cardiff”
Your local govt. resides in Cardiff like in Argentinean province or in USA the states.

And your freedom is pretty new until 1993 law dictated in England applied to Wales as well.

Freedom?
“Las pelotas” Can you see I also can speak Welsh but from the Argie Patagonia.

Pelotudo! From ancient patagonian welsh “Pelotudoomdun”

This is what we call province or state. An independent state that joint the union and all province have a representatives in national congress.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_Wales_Act_1998

I have been in cardiff, conwy from north to south of wallis. If I bad don’t remember I was in a castle where resided Henry the VIII BTW he had a lot of wife. Didn’t he?

Why in walis language all sounds doom loom lampadumnu and stuff like that?

Do you want to learn more welsh from Patagonia?

I guess there are more in Argentina than in Walis.

If you not count the sheep of course.
90 redpoll (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 03:18 pm Report abuse
Dunny seems to have an abcession with Welsh sheep again. Dunny, didnt I tell ewe that your choice of lady friends is your own affair?
91 DanyBerger (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 03:52 pm Report abuse
@redpoll

Well now denying the existence of the poor sheep.

Don't they have right to Self-D also?

Sure if you allow them to vote they will do a better job than you.
92 Clyde15 (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 05:25 pm Report abuse
Apart from a moron like you, who says I am ruled by the English.
Yes, I have been in Wales many times.
Why are you talking about Wales to me ? I don't live there and what is your fixation about sheep...don't you have girl friend ?

I think you are suffering from some sort of mental disorder or you are on drugs. That can be the only explanation of your series of bizarre postings.
93 briton (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 07:02 pm Report abuse
i think he secretly wants Argentina to be part of great britain,

after all why does he keep bringing it all up,
94 lsolde (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 09:02 pm Report abuse
@93 briton,
When you said that, my first thought was:-
“Damn, there goes the neighbourhood!”
We don't want that pack of losers in our family.
95 briton (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 10:02 pm Report abuse
true, very true.lol.
96 Anbar (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 12:08 am Report abuse
“”“”Notice how you did not even attempt a vacuous feint at refuting what I redacted. “”“”“”

funniest post ever... if he tries any harder to APPEAR intelligent i think he will start bleeding from his nose.

its like a combination of google translate and one of those “Phrase generators”.

Re-markedly similar to CFKs speeches in fact.
97 DanyBerger (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 03:23 am Report abuse
@Clyde15

Where you head of stated resides? In England
Where is she from? England
What language you speak? English
To what side of road you drive? Left
What currency you use? English one better now as quids
The face of whom is on those Quids? Elisabeth II English queen

You are more English than the Englishsssss in London in fact English would be jealous of you because soon they are going to have bank notes with the face of Alibaba on it.
98 lsolde (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 10:32 am Report abuse
@97 Dany Berger,
Who cares whose face is on the banknotes.
They are good solid currency, not like the Pesos that you use.
Whats the exchange rate now? P,10-to-$1USD?
Goingggggggggg down, down, down!
You have my sympathy, Daniel.
btw- lots of countries drive on the left.
Argentina drove on the left until 1945.
Maybe thats why you malvinistas are confused?
Still living in the past & your brain goes into overload when you see motor traffic approaching you on the opposite side of the road?
Calm down mate, you'll be ok after March when your silly country is well & truly snookered & you finally realise that for you its “Finito La Musica”.
99 briton (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 08:24 pm Report abuse
Where you head of stated resides? In England
[ no]
The capital like every other country on the planet,
[ even yours ]
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
[Where is she from? England]][
[no]
The place she just happened to be born in.
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
[][What language you speak? English///
No
The language of the land, and she can speak 7 other languages ]
[ unlike you]
///////////////////
To what side of road you drive? Left====
Yes=the correct side of the road.////
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
What currency you use? English one better now as quids////
The British pound, what money do you use in your country
Your own currency or other peoples money////
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
The face of whom is on those Quids? Elisabeth II English queen////
And what picture is on your money.
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Your envy and jealousy shows more and more.

british, the head and shoulders above all others.
mmm
100 Clyde15 (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 11:48 pm Report abuse
#97
Here we go again having to correct you. This is getting tedious.
She is the Queen of the UK. of Gt. Britain and N.Ireland
When the Queen is in England, she lives in Buckingham palace. When she visits Scotland THEN she lives in her official residence at HOLYROOD PALACE as the Queen of Scotland whilst still being the Queen of the UK
How perceptive of you to know she was born in England to a Scottish mother. Your point being ?
Yes I speak English but also lallans.
Americans also speak English as there main language, does this mean that they are ruled by the Queen.
Argentinians speak Spanish. King Juan Carlos is the King of Spain. By your logic, he must also be the King of Argentina.
As a citizen of the UK, I drive on the left. Your point being?
I use the pound sterling like all UK citizens. Again, your point being. The pound coin has a picture of the Queen of the UK...NO REFERENCE IS MADE TO ANY COUNTRY
As to the banknotes.
I checked in my wallet
£5 note. Obverse side .. Sir Walter Scott/reverse
Brig o'Doon. No picture of the Queen.
£10 A picture of Lord Ilay/reverse. Glamis castle home of the late Queen mother. The most recent note has pictures of the Queen celebrating her diamond jubilee.

I happen to be Scottish by birth. If I was born in England, Wales or N. Ireland it would have made no difference to who I am.

So Dany, who are you a German or an Argentinian - I would say the latter as all the Germans I have met have been thoroughly nice people. I could even say the same of the few Argentinians I have met. However, coming on to this forum there are definitely some unpleasant fascists still around in your country.

As to currency with Alibaba on it, that certainly suits Argentina to a T. I believe that is what the Iraqis call thieves.
Maybe you should ask your large Muslim population in BA to intercede with the Arabs to bolster your worthless currency by printing Alibaba notes for you.
101 DanyBerger (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 09:01 am Report abuse
@lsolde

Hey!

Cara mia, la musica poi essere finita ma purtroppo per te sempre ce qualquno che fa sonare la viola.

Ce problema
Cio bella. Ha ha

@Clyde15
“Americans also speak English as there main language, does this mean that they are ruled by the Queen.”

No sure mate that Americans speak English at all otherwise Spanglish.
Wasap Bro are U gonna chequear where to parquear the carrro?
Sounds that English?

www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1438900

But you keep trying to explain how you are not ruled by the English elite from London, because is very funny.


“Argentinians speak Spanish. King Juan Carlos is the King of Spain. By your logic, he must also be the King of Argentina.”

First at all K.J.C is the head of the state of little Spain, and the Head of the state of Argentina is Queen Elizabet Cristina Kirchner the one. And she speaks glamorous and perfect Argentino with posh accent and also lunfardo.

Juanca the king of little spain dosn’t speaks spanish for argies else Gallego Bruto, you know...

“Dame algunas zervezas y te digo que te cayies, cabron.” Ha ha

“So Dany, who are you a German or an Argentinian - I would say the latter as all the Germans I have met have been thoroughly nice people”

If you like I’m Bolivian and the son of the Evo Morales, what that change?

You still are ruled by the English like always will be, eat kebabs and use pyjamas and have bad whether.
102 Anglotino (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 12:43 pm Report abuse
I understand the individual words but when he puts them together they just don't make any sense!
103 Clyde15 (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 12:53 pm Report abuse
101
Didn't understand a word of what you posted.
Try it in Klingon - it would possibly make more sense - if anything you utter could.
By the way, how many more mosques are being built in BA. Better get yourself some new pyjamas.
104 DanyBerger (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 08:14 am Report abuse
Don't worry the same is happening to me with your post...
You cannot understand because U ain't Enshlishhh like this lovely women..
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd8iYLvlQaM

Can you ge' off of my f@king tramp please????
105 lsolde (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:30 am Report abuse
Tram, Dany, not tramp.
Did you get off?
106 DanyBerger (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 08:37 am Report abuse
@Isolde

In cockney is Tramb or tramp ha ha and Bri'an no Britain and f@kinn no f@king. ha ha

Ya know wa a min?
ha ha
Yeah you right is tram

BTW do you understand cockney accent?

“Did you get off?”
of course I was the first one to jump out...

I'm not Englishsssss... and I didn't have my pyjamas with me.

LOL
107 lsolde (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:20 am Report abuse
Do you feel alright, Daniel?
l think that you'd better go & lie down for a while.
You sound a bit odd.
Maybe you've been on the turps with sr Think?
What would you be celebrating?
The Peso crashing through the 10-to-a-Dollar barrier perhaps.
snigger.
108 DanyBerger (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:59 pm Report abuse
Ah! really how shitty is the peso on this days but luckily thera a huge amount of it.
Not like in UK that the toilette paper has lost value and are very difficult to find one.

BTW someone remember who's face on toilette UK banknote is from 2007?

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