Saturday, February 16th 2013 - 20:50 UTC

Brazilian business community demands the country signs trade accords with third countries

Brazilian businesspeople and diplomats expressed their disappointment with Mercosur and said it was crucial for Brazil to sign free trade agreements on its own with third countries, which under current rules of the South American trade block are not allowed.

Jose Augusto de Castro, president of Brazil’s Foreign Trade Association, “Mercosur has become an ideological block”

“Mercosur is too much self absorbed because is ceased to be a trade agreement and has become an ideological agreement”, said Jose Augusto de Castro, president of Brazil’s Foreign Trade Association.

Representatives from different manufacturing sectors and agri-business said it was an immediate priority to establish trade agreements with countries or blocks, and criticized the fact that Brasilia was submitted to Mercosur clauses and the extreme positions of Argentina, which “only helps to put obstacles to an agreement with the European Union”.

Mercosur and the EU have been in negotiations for a cooperation and free trade agreement since 1999, but talks are again stalled over agriculture subsidies and limited market access for EU manufacturing and services.

Thiago Mason, head of the International Affairs Department from the National Agriculture Confederation considers Brasil has lost to the US which only recently announced it is beginning trade talks with the EU.

Sergio Amaral, a former diplomat and official from the government of ex President Fernando Henrique Cardoso said that “the weight of Mercosur has eased, and is far less important for Brazil” that a few years ago.

“Brazil is Mercosur largest country and if it really wants it can reverse the clause” that limits signing trade accords with third countries but President Dilma Rousseff does not have the political will to do so”, said Jose Botafogo Gonzalvez former ambassador in Argentina under the administration of former President Cardoso.

Diplomat Botafogo Gonzalvez considers Brazil must adopt a more aggressive policy in the global market particularly in a moment when Washington is involved in the Pacific basin but has also announced plans to create a free trade area in the Atlantic with Europe.
 

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1 brucey-babe (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 09:14 pm Report abuse
Oh dear, Cristina won`t be very happy !
2 golfcronie (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 09:31 pm Report abuse
@1
At last a forward looking country in S America.
3 screenname (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 10:39 pm Report abuse
Only way forward really. Brazil is so large that I've never really understood why it restricted itself so much, pandering to any other SA countries when dealing with the rest of the world.
4 Pirate Love (#) Feb 16th, 2013 - 10:40 pm Report abuse
“Brazil to sign free trade agreements on its own with third countries”

i thought they already had agreements with argentina,whats the problem??
5 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 02:46 am Report abuse
Oh yes Brazil, “extreme position of Argentina”?

Why does Latin America complain about Argentina's extreme position?

Could it be because we KNOW who YOU are dealing with?

We know the Europeans, we know the North Americans, the Chinese. They are consumate cheaters, and are out to destroy your industries and agriculture. That is why we are intransigent and that is why we forbid the rest of Latin American from signing trade deals.

But we can't make you follow our foreign policy forever, so if you want to destroy your economies, go ahead. Just remember you will NEVER grow wealthy by singing free trade with the UE, EU, China. NEVER.
6 reality check (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 08:50 am Report abuse
Just listen to the ravings of this juvenile lunatic!

“That is why we are intransigent and that is why we forbid the rest of Latin American from signing trade deals. ”

“Forbid the rest of Latin America.” Oh dear, oh dear!

I am sure the Brazilians are quaking in their boots at the thought of upsetting these arrogant has beens.

Forbid! That's a good one. Up there with their other favourite, Demand!

Got to love them. Hours of entertainment. LMAO.
7 agent999 (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 09:48 am Report abuse
Poor Nostrolldamus Tobias, all mouth and no trousers.
8 Anglotino (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 10:52 am Report abuse
@6 Reality Check

Yes interesting that Argentina (in the minds of some Argentineans) is forbidding other Latin American countries from signing trade deals. But what do you expect when this is their worldview:
“Just remember you will NEVER grow wealthy by singing free trade with the UE, EU, China. NEVER”

NEVER appeared twice and was capitalised for emphasis.

Someone obviously forgot to tell Chile:
China-Chile free trade agreement
European Free Trade Association-Chile free trade agreement
Australia-Chile Free Trade Agreement
Canada–Chile Free Trade Agreement
European Union-Chile free trade agreement
United States-Chile Free Trade Agreement.

Chile should know better. You can NEVER grow wealthy with all these signed agreements. And yet they are wealthier than Argentina!

Next theory please!
9 reality check (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 11:42 am Report abuse
You never know, he may get his wish. A society with an economy based on the bartering of glass beads and copper bracelets!
10 ElaineB (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 12:14 pm Report abuse
Chile trades with 45+ countries and is diversifying more. They are set to be the first developed country in South America. They have some social and basic wage issues to address but I am betting they will get there.

As many clear thinking Argentines have said, “We needed the economic reforms of the Pinochet era”, though obviously not the dictatorship.
11 cornelius (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 12:51 pm Report abuse
Brazil is a non competitive country that is why they push Venezuela inside in Mercosur the business community is against Mercosur .
Mercosur is an ideological organization taken over by an agenda(socialist –communist) run by all the thugs from Bolivarian countries.
12 thorpeman (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 01:37 pm Report abuse
So Brazil cant sign any Free Trade Agreements unless it applies to the whole of the Mercosur trading group of countries, Well Welcome to our World, we cant sign FTA's either thanks to the noose from the EU around our necks. The EU economy is imploding but hey we have to stay sat on the deck no use of any lifeboats while the Titanic goes down!
13 Brasileiro (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 03:33 pm Report abuse
Mercosul need to stop with politics. This deal is about economy. Argentina and Venezuela need more “abertura”. We dont can miss the historic train! Free trade with USA and NAFTA, with África too!
14 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 04:30 pm Report abuse
Good for Brazil !!

Jealous Argentina just wants to pull everyone else down with it.

Looks like Mercosur is finished:

- Brazil feeling hampered and confined
- Paraguay out - looking for new alliances
- Venezuela - New direction, historic changes coming with Chavez gone
- Chile paying lip service
- Argentina restricting/taxing imports and exports, agricultural products not reliably regulated, cannot meet financial commitments

Why let Argentina screw it up for everyone else, just for her vanity?
15 Brasileiro (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 05:19 pm Report abuse
@14
Troy, you are a good person. Thanks. The world need persons like you!
16 GeoffWard2 (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 05:20 pm Report abuse
For God's sake, get rid of Argentina
the nations of South America are destroying themselves and being destroyed by associating with this self-destructive country.
Don't let yourselves be taken down, you are worth more than that.
17 Brasileiro (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 05:26 pm Report abuse
Geoff, i will write in portuguese language: Eu acho que o Brasil não pode se submeter ao jugo argentino, somos irmãos de América, ajudaremos sempre que houver necessidade, mas não podemos continuar nesse jogo fastasmagórico do Mercosul. Acho que devemos cair fora. Adoro a Argentina, mas sinto que continuar com essa palhaçada de Mercosul é o mesmo que voltarmos à ditadura de Figueiredo. Boa sorte, irmão.
18 yankeeboy (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 05:27 pm Report abuse
MercoSur will be gone soon enough, I see Uruguay and Brazil pulling out shortly and signing FTA with the USA.
No one cares what Argentina, Venezuela, Ecuador or Bolivia do. All of their economies are failing, they're run by Presidents for Life, rampant corruption and scofflaws. They don't bring anything to the table and should be left to their own devices.
Bye Bye and good riddance.
19 Michael May (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 06:09 pm Report abuse
Anglotino: Chile is an “Associate Member” of MERCOSUR/MERCOSUL and, as such, is permitted to negotiate separate trade agreements. “Full” members are prohibited from negotiating independent trade agreements outside the Block.
20 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 06:51 pm Report abuse
@18

Someone is fucking jealous that some of us want nothing to do with your has-been country. Keep hating.
21 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 07:08 pm Report abuse
@20 TTT/Arifu

“Someone is fucking jealous that some of us want nothing to do with your has-been country. Keep hating.”

You sound very hateful and angry yourself, but nobody puts any stock in your perspective.
22 Anglotino (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 08:13 pm Report abuse
@19 Michael May

I'm aware of that. I was just highlighting a flawed theory. Chile's Pacific Alliance is much more outward looking and it is interesting to note that the growth rates in Pacific Alliance members is so high.

Outward looking not inward looking!
23 GeoffWard2 (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 08:37 pm Report abuse
#17 Brasileiro.
We speak the same language.
24 Shed-time (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 08:58 pm Report abuse
Sh!t trading bloc is sh!t.
25 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 09:11 pm Report abuse
All of Latin America can look outward if they want to, no one can stop a suicidal maniac.

We will look inward thank you. We don't trade with cheaters and have-been countries.
26 yankeeboy (#) Feb 17th, 2013 - 09:21 pm Report abuse
We don't trade with cheaters and have-been countries.
That sounds like Argentina.

Wonder what the WTO will say?
We should be finding out soon enough

I wonder when Ford and GM will pack up?
Probably when inflation reaches 100%
So sometime next year
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30 ChrisR (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 02:29 pm Report abuse
I just do not understand why Dilma keeps so tight with TMBOA and Dead Man Not Walking and seems to be afraid to 'upset' them when what they really need is chucking out of Mercosur or Brazil and Uruguay leaving.

Probably best if it is the latter.
31 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 18th, 2013 - 08:18 pm Report abuse
Looks like Mercosur is holding all the members to the “lowest common denominator”. In this case, Argentina is emerging to fill that role.

Eventually, Brazil will get frustrated and leave, due to internal pressures, political or economic.

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