Monday, April 29th 2013 - 04:36 UTC

Lanata claims 80% of media in under Argentina government control for propaganda purposes

Argentine journalist Jorge Lanata who has won Spain’s Television Iris Award, claims that ‘80% of Argentine media is in the hands of government (President Cristina Fernandez)” which are used as “instruments of propaganda”.

The Argentine communicator with his exposures has sent shockwaves to the political system

Lanata was given the award for his “standing exposure of the corrupt political class and his defence of the weakest”, according to the statement that supported the Spanish television academy most respectable prize.

“We’re going through a delicate moment and in a state of division that is promoted from the very centres of power”, argued Lanata interviewed by Spain’s government news agency.

His program “Journalism for all” aired by Channel 13 is currently in the heart of a major political controversy in Argentina following his exposure, with documents and witnesses of a web of companies belonging to former Argentine president Nestor Kirchner which had a close friend of his as the front man and who became the only public works contractor of the province of Santa Cruz, the Kirchner’s political turf.

Once his mentor became president and moved to Buenos Aires the former obscure bank teller Lazaro Baez became one of the richest men in the province with assets estimated in tens of millions of dollars and his companies absorbing most of public works now in the whole of Patagonia.

The organization of Kirchner and Baez allegedly has also been involved in money laundering from the skimmed public works through Uruguay to Panama, Belize, Caribbean islands and finally Switzerland.

Lanata regretted that the Argentine courts have yet to decide an investigation despite all the information and documents supplied. “I don’t think it is because the system is corrupt but rather that the Executive keeps advancing on the judicial branch”, said Lanata.

“Our job is not evangelization or teaching, it is just telling what we know and that we can prove and communicate it in the most creative form possible”, pointed out the Argentine journalist who added that “we must be as independent as possible. What gives me independence is public opinion: as long as they watch us that is what gives us power”.

Reference internet Lanata described it as the greatest invention since printing and “a great opportunity” for journalism. “Sure we are going through a crisis, but a good crisis. Internet is just starting and offers a great opportunity to experiment new things”.

Finally the Argentine communicator said that the world is changing and the role of emerging countries and their media will keep growing including in this area. “We are still submitted mostly to a North-South communication system, but in a near future we’ll be facing new paradigms and new ways of communicating”-

Lanata describes himself as la liberal with left wing inclinations. Liberal because he believes in democracy and left wing because of the injustices “I see and come across everyday”
 

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1 LEPRecon (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 05:57 am Report abuse
No doubt Cristina will have Lansta arrested and charged with 'treason' once she has gained control of the courts.

In the meantime, he's probably already being harassed by AFIP agents.
2 Redrow (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 06:51 am Report abuse
That he has to define himself as a liberal simply because he believes in democracy says it all really!
3 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 08:17 am Report abuse
This guy is impliciting Uruguay in his efforts to trash Argentinas government.
Money-laundrying is a serious matter, and he better start presenting proofs to back his claims.
Lanata is all talk and pointing fingers, but he hasn't presented one shread of evidence.
And he is left-wing out of convenience.
4 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 08:23 am Report abuse
Why 'convenience'? Perhaps he is left wing - isn't that what Peronists are?
Are you saying he cannot be Leftist and decry corruption??
5 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 08:36 am Report abuse
5
Because he runs a popularity contest...
Peronists aren't left wing, they are bloody all over the political spectre.
Tell you what, the day you understand Peronism, please explain it to me.
All the other ideologies makes sense in one way or another, but Peronism is really hard to define.
At some point in Argentinas history, you have two sides shooting at eachother, both screaming “Viva Perón”...

Lanata isn't left wing because he is the errand boy of the right.
6 Viscount Falkland (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 08:37 am Report abuse
Lanata is the ONLY Argentinian who consistently talks any sense and I think he used to be part of FCK's crowd and worked with and for her. Lanata for President !
7 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 08:42 am Report abuse
6
I don't see any sense in accusing another nation of money laundrying without presenting proofs.

But you lot do that all the time, so in some twisted way, it may just make sense...
8 Faz (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 08:45 am Report abuse
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/129841/an-independent-judiciary-is-democracy

Wake up Argentina, the Nazis are coming...
9 Monkeymagic (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 09:03 am Report abuse
Looking at the photo, i had no idea Phil jupitus was involved in Argentine journalism...
10 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 09:06 am Report abuse
Monkey
You can continue spreading those rumours about the money laudrying, but if you don't present proofs, like in Lanata's case, it will still be rumours.

It will not become more truth just because you repeat it many times.

Uruguay has asked for proofs, Lanata doesn't seem to want to answer.
11 Monkeymagic (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 09:07 am Report abuse
@10

where did I mention money-laundering dickhead??
12 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 09:18 am Report abuse
Truly sorry Monkey, my post was intended for Faz.

No need to insult.
13 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 09:27 am Report abuse
@ Stevie Jorge, Lanata should be congratulated for his constant exposures of a seriously corrupt family like the Kirchner's and her ass licking government he must really piss her of for showing what an evil cow she really is.
14 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 09:29 am Report abuse
andy
As soon he shows proofs of his claims.
Until then, he's just running somebody elses agenda, and is probably getting paid for it.
Like the proper errand boy he is.
15 ElaineB (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 09:32 am Report abuse
Now we understand why CFK was so desperate to take control of the judiciary.
16 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 09:38 am Report abuse
@ Stevie Believe me Jorge Lanata pulls no punches when showing what a thief and corrupt twat Kirchner is,I do believe she describes him as a traitor for having a brain and the will to speak the truth pity there's not more people like him in that shit hole Argentina,only a corrupt 60 year old bat like kirchner would want a 3rd term in office so she can rape and pillage Argentina even more what really pissed Kirchner of about Lanata is that he visited The Falkland Islands and shown his own countrymen the real truth and not Argentine fairy tales

GOD BLESS THE GREAT JORGE LANATA
17 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 10:08 am Report abuse
andy

And where are the proofs of the errand boy?

I tell you what, he has as many of them as you've seen camel toes in your life...
18 Ozgood (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 10:14 am Report abuse
As Abraham Lincoln said “You can fool some of the people some of the time but you cannot fool all the people all the time”
19 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 10:18 am Report abuse
@Stevie, You are an idiot taken in by a thief alias Crissy kirchner the botox queen she's so famous for stealing from you she's made the top ten of the corruption all stars list here take a look she's in some great company

Cristina Kirchner / Official
•Even before she was elected president of Argentina, Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner carried the haze of corruption. In the most famous case, an emissary from Hugo Chavez, the president of Venezuela, was discovered at the Buenos Aires airport carrying a briefcase stuffed with $800,000 in cash, destined, he later told the FBI, to support Kirchner’s presidential bid. Kirchner denied the allegation. Within Argentina, many question the huge fortune Kirchner and her late husband Nestor amassed since taking public office. Her declared personal wealth stands at $13.8 million, up from $500,000 when the couple first entered national politics. Kirchner cites income from real estate and hotels the couple had purchased to explain the 2,600 percent return on the couple’s investment purse. Corruption watchers complain that her government has neutered government oversight, giving auditing posts to cronies compromised by conflicts of interest. The result: corruption cases take an average of 14 years to work through the system, according to the non-profit Center for the Study and Prevention of Economic Crimes, and only 15 in 750 cases have led to convictions.
http://100r.org/corruption-allstars/
20 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 10:28 am Report abuse
andy
All I'm asking for is Lanata's proof.
He is accusing Uruguay of laundrying money, so he better present some proofs to back his statements up.

That's all I'm interested in.
Keep your conspiracy theories to yourself.

On another note, and let me quote you;

“no decent British girl would be wearing a camel toe as obvious as Castro's daughter”

How do they wear the camel toes, those British gals, you say?

Hahahahaha
21 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 10:37 am Report abuse
@Stevie you are indeed a fool but let me explain

Alicia Castro's illegitimate daughter is clearly wearing the most cheap ill fitting denin shorts follow your eyes to the top in betwwe her legs where you will find The camel Toe and as the Argentine London based blogger rightly says and I quote

“The Ambassador should keep the parade of her daughter for private functions possibly in the Embassy because she is too young and does not have Pippa’s style. She comes across as an undereducated student desperate to get fucked and by She, I mean, the Argentine Republic”

the Blogger rightly points out Castro's daughter is no Pippa Middleton and should dress the part and not show herself as something that resembles a street walker just like Kirchner and the two Castro's they come across as looking trashy un kept and dirty
22 Conqueror (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 10:38 am Report abuse
@5 I can explain Peronism to you in three words. “Corruption”. “Theft”. “Opportunism”. There, job done!
23 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 10:40 am Report abuse
andy
Camel toe in denim shorts?
In that picture you posted?

Nah andy, you are merely damage controlling...

How do the Brit gals wear their camel toes, you say?

Hahahaha
24 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:00 am Report abuse
@ Stevie Your losing the battle my friend now run along you have $7 to earn today and yes we all understand what Peronism is we have seen the results of it over the decades in Argentina hence the reason your country is on it's kness
25 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:02 am Report abuse
andy

Answer me, I'd love to know how those descent Brit gals wear their camel toes!

Hahahaha
26 ElaineB (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:13 am Report abuse
Speaking to friends in Argentina and reading the press it appears Lanata made a very good case supported by considerable evidence. Enough evidence to send CFK into a frenzy to gain control of the judiciary. She knows.

Seriously? Being vulgar to try to distract from the facts of the story? It is not going to work.
27 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:14 am Report abuse
@Stevie, They don't only a trashy Argentine named Castro could wear something so fitting,cheap and nasty just like her mother,how are the price controls going in your supermarkets in Argentina any shortages yet??? perhaps you could tell us all what the rate of inflation is today or like your finance minister who recently told a greek TV channel “ We do not talk about inflation” are you not allowed to discuss or perhaps you could tell us all what the value of the peso is against the greenback today?? we are waiting
28 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:22 am Report abuse
Elaine

I'm not being vulgar, I'm just asking andy what he meant with his statement.
He doesn't seem to want to answer.
You think the “camel toe” came from me?

And Lanata has no case, he is hiding when asked about proofs of money laundrying in Uruguay. He refuses to answer.

Uruguayan authorities have looked into the case and they confirm Lanata's case is, I quote,

“muy débil y debería ser enriquecido con más elementos.”

translates into

”very weak, and should be supplied with more elements (of evidence)”.
29 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:26 am Report abuse
@Stevie And how much did Kirchner pay Uruguayan authorities to say that? Jorge Lanata is an excellent journalist and Kirchner knows it.
30 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:30 am Report abuse
andy
Both the FA and the opposition agrees that there has been no money laudrying.
I'm quite sure the Rosaditos would never accept money from CFK to say anything...
Lanata is an errand boy, and we all know that.
31 ElaineB (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:33 am Report abuse
The issue here is whether the majority of Argentine people believe Lanata. It appears that they do. CFK has never been more unpopular and this just adds to the negative view about her. She is panicking.
32 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:36 am Report abuse
Elaine
So the issue isn't what the truth is, the issue is what people believes...

Well, that's what media is for, isn't it Elaine?

And luckily, you lot got yourself an errand boy in that sector...
33 Mendoza Canadian (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:39 am Report abuse
The bank referred this to the government body responsible and nothing was done in 2008: www.losandes.com.ar/notas/2013/4/29/revelan-gobierno-investigo-denuncias-lavado-711282.asp
34 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:46 am Report abuse
@Stevie you are confused what an errand boy is and does take a look at that rat Hector Timerman now there's a great example of an errand boy and if you don't believe me ask Banki moon he would be more than happy to confirm it after all they are sick and tired of Timerman landing at the door of the UN talking shit on behalf of your beloved Cristina now that's what you call an errand boy or an ass licker if you wish to be crude.
35 ElaineB (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:49 am Report abuse
Why do you use the term 'you lot'? TTT always used that term.

The one person who does not want the truth to come out is CFK. She knows she is guilty of corruption, money laundering and theft.

Many years ago when I first started visiting Argentina I used to ask people why they accepted the government was corrupt. The answer was that all politicians and officials are corrupt, it was just accepted. They didn't protest about it because back then they thought their lives were improving, they had food on the table and were getting by. It's called 'happathy'. People will put up with a lot when they don't feel a problem directly affects them.

A lot has changed in the years since and now people are not happy. They are struggling to get by and the two major concerns they have, inflation and insecurity, are not the main focus of their government. So they are turning against the government and a crazy leader obsessed with a mythical fairy tale. Her approval rating has plummeted as has the standard of living of the majority. Now they do care that she is corrupt because she has become the villain.
36 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:50 am Report abuse
andy

I've seen your definition of a camel toe.
I don't need yours on errand boy.

I'm just too afraid to ask...
37 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 12:07 pm Report abuse
@Stevie I rest my case like all Argentines who have been brainwashed you dry up when you can not defend the un defendable any longer,try listen to people like ElainB and Yankeyboy they have experience of your country and have no agenda but to tell the truth but, as I said stop trying to defend a lia and a thief Cristina Kirchner, even The new Italian pope suggested both Nestor and crissy were corrupt.
38 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 12:18 pm Report abuse
andy
Of course, the catholic church is a prime example of morals.
“Corrupt” is their language means legit.
And yes, I do listen a lot more to people like Elaine than people like you.

I might disagree with almost everything she says, but at least she has manners when saying it.

Elaine
If there has been money laudrying, the process to follow is as usual.
Lanata presents his proofs and a court will take care of the matter.

Lanata is using the media to act as police, prosecutor and judge.
And that, my good woman, is corruption.
39 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 12:25 pm Report abuse
@Stevie Tuff on your part matey if you don't like the truth then keep away from here you my dear fellow can not even decide what country you live in and what nationality you are,does lieing come naturally?????
40 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 12:30 pm Report abuse
@andy the toe
I'm presenting you the truth and all you can do is insult and ask me where I come from...

And talk about Castro's daughter's neck line. Although you called it something else.

;)
41 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 12:36 pm Report abuse
@ Stevie, Old news we have moved on from that disgusting picture of Castro and her daughter we are now talking about lies and corruption of the botox queen
42 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 12:42 pm Report abuse
No proofs.
No case.

Unluckily for you, one is innocent until the opposite is proven.

In Uruguay
In Argentina
In the UK

And neither you or Lanata has any proofs.
Just big mouths.

And neither of you have ever seen a.... neckline.
43 Anglotino (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 12:46 pm Report abuse
“one is innocent until the opposite is proven”

Another great English invention!
44 yankeeboy (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 12:50 pm Report abuse
I think the proof will come from the Swiss. They just opened a case last week so give them a little time.
It won't be too long

Too bad for CFK most Dictators don't get to spend their loot. They usually die under arrest or other more unfortunate ways.
45 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 12:56 pm Report abuse
@ yankeeboy Most heads of state make there money once they have left office in South America especially Argentina it seems to be the opposite way round
46 Pirate Love (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 12:58 pm Report abuse
effectively Its 80% total state run media dictatorism vs 20% democratic press..............
Oh dear Argentina what are you revealing?? rewind time back 30-40 years and and thats as near reflection as you will get to todays government,
Its no wonder Iran wants to rub shoulders and not just to gain a foothold in S.A!
Fellow dictatorships.....Argentina has never been a “true” democracy , At best a “selective” democracy for when it suits them and ticks all the right boxes for irans interests.

Under kirchner Argentina has gradually tip-toed back into those dark days of the now disbanded junta government, now replaced by police,convicts & la campora trogs to meat out the nazi “persuasion”, and the world can say we seen it happen right from the start like a train crash in slo-mo.......

Crash and burn........Crash and BURN!!!
47 Tobers (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 01:00 pm Report abuse
@Stevie

--Lanata is using the media to act as police, prosecutor and judge.
And that, my good woman, is corruption--

I think that's called fighting fire with fire.

Ive seen Duro a Domar and 678 and they are breathtaking in their manipulation, deceitfulness, arrogance and childishness etc. Theres a saying on Argentina - La Duena de la Verdad- which I take to mean 'my opinion is the truth and is treated as the universal truth and anyone who disagrees is an enemy of the state'. Its one thing to have an opinion but when these shows try to pose as balanced, broadcasting the universal truth that makes them even more pathetic. These people perform their arse -licking, chupa media-ing and collect their cheques at the end of the month. They are filth. Lanata is a showman and has his schtick but is a saint compared to these state sponsored media workers.
48 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 01:01 pm Report abuse
@Pirate Love, Indeed Kirchner is THE NEW Junta in TIGHTS
49 ElaineB (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 01:06 pm Report abuse
The evidence was presented by the bank in question to the authorities - the government agency responsible for tackling money laundering - and they did not take the matter to court. There was enough documentary evidence to do so. But the government agency is controlled by the corrupt government.

You assert that the media are acting as judge and jury but no one has been prosecuted or punished. All they have done is bring the facts to the attention of the general public. It is the responsibility of the judiciary to try the accused. But the judiciary is about to be controlled by the corrupt government.

Are you really the only person to believe CFK and her government are not corrupt?
50 Optimus_Princeps (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 01:16 pm Report abuse
If you want evidence of theft and corruption. A friend of the family passed away recently, and in his will he passed on his assets to his next of kin. However, as soon as the government found out, the froze his assets, stole them and refuse to give a nickle to the family.

His family is going through a maze of bureaucracy, though I have the feeling that the money is as good as stolen.

Is that evidence enough for you “Stevie”? Do you even reside in Argentina? Clearly, you are either related to someone who is benefiting from the corrupt government (possibly employed), a poor scoundrel that receives welfare, living in a foreign country, or just plain stupid.

I've experienced all the crap first hand. It's suffocating, and constantly painful. I'm getting the hell out of here as soon as possible, because it appears that stupidity works faster than a malignant cancer. Three years ago it wasn't like this!
51 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 01:23 pm Report abuse
Always amazed how Stevie's throat drys up.
52 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 01:25 pm Report abuse
Elaine

“There was enough documentary evidence to do so”, you say
Well, obviously, there wasn't, as no action was taken.
Or have you seen the “proofs” you are talking about?
Because in Uruguay, no proofs have been presented about money laundrying

All Lanata is doing, is trying to add wood to the fire. Use the momentum of the protests. But he has no proof, or he would've had presented them already.

I have no idea if CFK and her government are corrupt, but until I see proofs I will not judge them.
Otherwise I would have to judge most state leaders and their goverments equally. And so should you.
And if that is the case, I can assure you you have bigger worries than if CFK is the corrupted one or not...
53 ElaineB (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 01:32 pm Report abuse
@52 “Well, obviously, there wasn't, as no action was taken.” Do you understand the concept of corruption? If the government is corrupt and is also responsible for handing the evidence of their own corruption to the judiciary, they are not going to do so.

Why not spend a little time today watching the programme and reading the details of the evidence. Clearly you have not or you might not be quite so dismissive.

You know, every Argentine I have ever spoken with admits their government is corrupt. Why do you deny it?
54 yankeeboy (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 01:36 pm Report abuse
Stevie, Don't you find it odd that all the cases involving the KS have arrived at the same judges desk and then they were shelved?
As the judge increases his wealth?
Filthy filthy place
and
The Bag lady from BA and FATMAX will pay in the end
55 Condorito (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 01:37 pm Report abuse
Lanata lies!
Hahaha.
56 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 01:43 pm Report abuse
Deep down these Argentines know what's being said is the truth but are to ashamed to agree that what they voted for robs them blind on a daily bases

LANATA FOR PRESIDENT I SAY
57 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 02:21 pm Report abuse
Elaine
I like your logic.
In Europe they use the same logic when they put immigrants in jail for crimes the locals get fined for.
Then they come up with statistics showing the jails are full of immigrants :)

Quite simple, Elaine, the reason is because you only talk to Argentines that agrees with you, the other ones you dismiss as not being Argentines.
Personally, I never said there was no corruption in Argentina.
There most surely is.
Just like in the UK.
And you can show me your corrupted lists all you want.
We could also make a list.
58 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 02:27 pm Report abuse
@Stevie The difference is stevie baby we are not brainwashed from an early age we are happy to talk about our downfalls and our failing, both kirchner's were as in the case of Nazi Nestor are are corrupt as in the case of is nasty widow wise up and admit it ands while your at it fill us in on the life and times of the glamorous playboy MAXIMO how does he earn his peso's
59 ElaineB (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 02:33 pm Report abuse
@57 “you only talk to Argentines that agrees with you, the other ones you dismiss as not being Argentines” What? Are you saying the people I meet in Argentina that don't agree with me are all foreigners living there? I think I would notice. No, they are Argentines. They generally don't know what my opinion is because I am there to hear their views not convince them of mine.

(Obviously, with friends I am prepared to debate and disclose my views).

And, no, the corruption in Argentina is not like in the UK. There is corruption in all societies but the level of corruption varies considerable. Argentina is right up there with the trophy holders regarding high levels of corruption. It is endemic throughout society there.
60 ChrisR (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 02:43 pm Report abuse
I can only say that when I brought my money into Uruguay it was a pantomime.

It started with the money needed to buy our house and although I had set up accounts in BROU the year before IN PERSON, BROU insisted that my International money dealer (the best in the UK) investigate MY UK BANK before they would accept them onto the accredited role held by BROU under the anti-money laundering Laws of Uruguay.

THEN my money dealer each time they move money from the various accounts I have MUST give an undertaking that the moneys are from my account ONLY. BROU provided a ‘secret number’ (I think they mean a number assigned to these transfers) which MUST be present in a location specified on the transfer document.

The first few times it took BROU more than a week to process their end of the transfer and put the money into one of my BROU accounts. After two years of moving my three times a year transfer of my pensions and other income we are down to three days. It does of course cost me nearly USD 100 for BROU’s diligence and paying the money to my account EACH TIME THEY DO IT!

I have NEVER experienced this level of investigation of the source of money in other countries I have moved money to or out off. Perhaps it’s just another hidden tax that Uruguay is very good at.

Still a great country though. :o)
61 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 02:43 pm Report abuse
Elaine
The very society you represent, that one of use-and-throw, the consumption without end and growth without limits, is corrupted in its core.

Our ideologies differ indeed...
62 ljordao (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 02:46 pm Report abuse
@57:

“Y has also done this” has never been a good defence of X's acts. Besides, given the mad cow's latest victory (i.e., the humiliation and submission of the judiciary), Argentina is now, beyond any reasonable doubt, a fascist country. In a fascist country corruption is the rule, not the exception. Wake up, laddie.
63 Tobers (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 02:46 pm Report abuse
...the use and throw away society...

I wonder what CFK and her cronies spend their millions on? How many dresses does CFK have?
64 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 02:49 pm Report abuse
62
Do what I say and not as I do
has never been a good advice...

CFK is putting the fascists behind bars, something the other governments before hers failed to do in all their democracy.

Talk all you want, you could as well try to convince me there is a God...
65 ElaineB (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 02:49 pm Report abuse
You are confusing ideology with criminal acts.

I don't represent any country or society. I speak only for myself and offer my views based on my experiences and knowledge.
66 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 02:51 pm Report abuse
Elaine
You are confusing criminal acts with accusations...
67 ElaineB (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 03:02 pm Report abuse
Accusations of criminal acts that should be investigated. Surely you agree with that?
68 yankeeboy (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 03:15 pm Report abuse
Guess Stevie missed this post:

Stevie, Don't you find it odd that all the cases involving the Ks have arrived at the same judges desk and then they were shelved?
As the judge increases his wealth?
odd that
69 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 03:26 pm Report abuse
Elaine
I most surely do, if the accusations have anything of substance. Otherwise one would do little else than investigate accusations...

yanqui
You prophecies from thin air are totally irrelevant. Really.
Ans so are your medias.
70 yankeeboy (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 03:31 pm Report abuse
Huh? All of the Ks Corruption cases have been shelved by Oyarbide. EVERY SINGLE ONE.
Shelved, not investigated and not closed either
Hmm
I hear he has some nice jewelry and expensive vacations
I wonder how
71 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 04:04 pm Report abuse
Latest news on the matter from Uruguay

www.lr21.com.uy/comunidad/1100874-lanata-cambia-de-frente-ni-siquiera-menciona-a-uruguay-en-su-ultimo-programa

Seems like Lanata all o the sudden forgot everything about the money laundrying in Uruguay...

He shares a trait with you lot

That bloody convenience...
72 Simon68 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 04:15 pm Report abuse
Stevie:

You should at least watch Lanata's “Periodismo para Todos” before saying that he has presented no proof of his accusations, he has presented a whole truck load of proof, so much so that Urugayan newspapers and TV shows have taken up his cause, and as he himself says:

“My job is to investigate and expose corruption, it is the Judicary?s job to take our investigation as a starting point and to carry out it's own investigation and, if necessary to arrainge the guilty and to try them.”

He has presented enough evidence against Lázaro Baez to show that he is involved in the corrupt use of public funds, and has laundered at least €55 million!!!!!!!!
73 yankeeboy (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 04:21 pm Report abuse
When I was ready to get out of BA I thought I would move to Montevideo so I went around different neighborhoods with a Real Estate agent, who pointed out the drug lord's houses.
I asked why so many lived there and he said it was because it was easy to wash the money in Uruguay.
But I think the USA has a little chat with them about that recently...
74 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 04:23 pm Report abuse
Simón
Then why is he all of the sudden “forgetting” to mention Uruguay, but still claims money laudrying was made?
If it wasn't in Uruguay, where was it?
And if he did have proofs, as you say, where are that proof?
And if it does exist, why doesn't he use it, instead of bailing his last statements?
75 Simon68 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 04:42 pm Report abuse
74 Stevie (#)
Apr 29th, 2013 - 04:23 pm

The “valijero”, Leonardo Fariña, andthe “cuevista”, Elaskar, were the ones who mentioned Uruguay as the first step in the laundry chain, they said, and at least one Urugayan newspaper/TV show has obtained proof of that Mr. Fariña took bags of Euros to Uruguay and from there sent the money on to Panama, Belize, and finally Switzerland.

Now it is up to the Argentine, Uruguayan, Panamanian and Belizean Judiciaries to investigate whether the money laundering took place or not. The Swiss have already frozen Lázaro Baez's accounts because they appear to accept that the accusations are true!!!!!
76 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 04:49 pm Report abuse
I'm talking about Lanata and his accusations of money laudrying made in Uruguay.
Now he says that money laudrying was made, but he refuses to name Uruguay as the place it happened.
Did the story change all of the sudden?
Did his “proofs” change with the story?
Because surely he wouldn't have mentioned money laudrying in Uruguay should he have no proofs.

I really hope he continues to mention Uruguay, it will indeed show this gentlemans true face.

And if he lied about that, he most probably is lieing about everything.

I can assure you his truths are far less convenient than his lies.
77 Conqueror (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 04:53 pm Report abuse
@40 A simple question. Who told you it was the truth?
@42 Unfortunately, for you, everyone can see that argieland is corrupt. And criminal. And depraved. And inept. And larcenous. And mendacious. So your attempt to defend it and its ass-licking, brown-nosing, ineffectual “neighbour” is a bit pointless.
@61 Hahahahahahaha. Of course. You can't afford “use and throw”. Does that go for toilet tissue? Yes. You can always use the other side! And the bits either side. And don't forget to lick your fingers clean!
@64 Even more hahahahahahahaha. You need to read some history. The fascists in power always put the fascists not in power in jail. Always assuming that they haven't already shot or otherwise executed them. Same goes for all other totalitarian philosophies. Commies, nazis, populists. They're all the same.
@71 Hahahahahahaha. Notice this bit? “Argentine deputies travelled to Uruguay”. Would you like a translation? It means “argie cover-up politicians and hit men travelled to Uruguay”. For what purpose? To destroy the evidence and silence the accuser, of course! That must be obvious even to someone as dumb as you.
78 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 04:58 pm Report abuse
conqueror
Why did your Argentine deputies travel to Uruguay to cover up the evidence when the one with the evidence supposedly is Lanata in Argentina?
79 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 05:01 pm Report abuse
Nestor and Cristina have been linked with corruption for years now and you know the old saying “there's no smoke without fire” ofcourse Kirchner is corrupt to the bone did she not lower herself and have a slanging match on her facebook account recently when an Argentine asked her how she as made so much money since being in power?/ very classy indeed.
80 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 05:08 pm Report abuse
@andy the toe

Lanata has been caght in a lie.

And a syou say, there is no smoke without fire...
81 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 05:16 pm Report abuse
@ Stevie there's no smoke without fire where the kirchner's are concerned she even claims she made millions by representing high class clients as a lawyer-what a joke if she said as a hooker that would be more believable but as everyone tells you she's as bent as a five bob note
82 Simon68 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 05:21 pm Report abuse
76 Stevie (#)
Apr 29th, 2013 - 04:49 pm

In his programme yesterday, he concentrated on Lázaro Baez's corrupt practices in Santa Cruz, not on the “Ruta del Dinero”, so obviously he didn't mention Uruguay again, it is now up to the Argentine and Urugyan Juducuaries to investigate whether Uruguay formed part of the “Ruta del Dinero” or not. Lanata has made his accusations, he doesn't need to keep repeating them!!!!!!
83 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 05:24 pm Report abuse
andy the toe

Great argument

Fits your intellect like a glass shoe fits Cinderella.

Only the cartoon is more trustworthy as a historical fact than your illusions...
84 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 05:26 pm Report abuse
@ Stevie I give it to you straight Stevie boy and where your botox queen is concerned would love nothing more to see that piece of latin shit rot in hell,the sooner she joines her bossed eyed husband the better for all.
85 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 05:30 pm Report abuse
andy the toe
So everything you say is plain wishful thinking?

Glad we sorted that one...

Simón
Why should 2 nations start an investigation because of some statements of a dubious character wih no proofs to back his claims?

Let him talk abot Uruguay, lets see how far it takes him.
86 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 05:33 pm Report abuse
@Stevie the only wishful thinking come from Argentines like you wishing for a decent meal and a safe place to live $7 a day does not go far where for me living on The sandbanks peninsula in rural Dorset life is just so dam sweet
87 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 05:34 pm Report abuse
andy the toe
It is, isn't it?

;)
88 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 05:36 pm Report abuse
@Stevie You wouldn't know a good standard of living if it hit you in the kisser would you.
89 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 05:39 pm Report abuse
andy the toe
It's not for you to decide what a “good standard of living” means for different people.
All I know is that SA wont be paying for yours anymore

;)
90 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 05:44 pm Report abuse
@ Stevie Not aware SA paid for anything where I am concerned my man but what is worrying the thought of 25% of Argentines living on less than $7 per day that's over 10 million people in your beloved Argentina perhaps Crissy could spread some of her well earned wealth LOL
91 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 05:47 pm Report abuse
Where do you think your “financial crisis” comes from?
The fact that you are getting the natural resources cheaper?

Hahahaha
92 txiki (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 05:48 pm Report abuse
Stevie - proof is an uncountable noun in English thus it is always singular.

The reason that Kristina is desperate for a third term is that she knows if she or her cronies don't win, she will be going to jail.
93 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 05:48 pm Report abuse
What the F... are you talking about
94 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 05:49 pm Report abuse
txiki
Cheers for that, I'll keep that in mind

andy the toe
Don't you worry about it, or ask your “cleaner” to explain it for you

;)
95 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 05:57 pm Report abuse
@Stevie the bitch got fired for being ashamed of being argentine and telling me she was Spanish I should have known though she smelt of shit most days and she was disgustingly hairy like most Argentine birds
96 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 06:01 pm Report abuse
andy the toe

That is no way to talk about your mother!

Shame on you!
97 Tobers (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 06:03 pm Report abuse
Depressingly, CFK et al will not be going to jail any time soon.

1)Menem for example is not only not in jail hes still a politician - everyone regardless of their political positition believes that he stole big, big time whilst president

2)The problem isnt just CFK, Boudou, Moreno etc, its endemic throughout the political system. If they go down they'll drag everyone else with them.
98 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 06:04 pm Report abuse
@93 Andy

Chicureo has become so obscure that his point is lost - nobody knows WTF he is talking about.

It may be that his admitted drinking has turned him into that “village idiot that is talking to himself”
99 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 06:05 pm Report abuse
Hahahahaha

You guys are too much!!!

Hahahahahaha
100 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 06:07 pm Report abuse
@Troy Tempest, I like to treat stevie like an abandoned child that needs entertaining though he does talk a lot of shit
101 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 06:09 pm Report abuse
Troy
andy the toe found out that I find monkeys to be most amusing, so he decided to act like one.

Just for me.

Isn't that cute?
102 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 06:12 pm Report abuse
@stevie your leader the botox queen doesn't just rape and pillage your country but she is also hateful to fellow Argentines here take a look it's in both English and Spanish quite an eye opener.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev2rmfHSZ0w
103 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 06:15 pm Report abuse
Students at Harvard...

What a convenient choice of yours...

Who can afford to send their kids to Harvard in Argentina?

Don't answer, it wont change a thing...

;)
104 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 06:19 pm Report abuse
@ Stevie What a joke you should be ashamed sending a bitch like that to represent you -she certainly does not like being challenged with the truth
105 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 06:22 pm Report abuse
I think she told them some truths, andy.... of the toes

;)
106 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 06:27 pm Report abuse
@stevie joke about it as much as you like it just shows what the botox queen is really like a nasty piece of shit-if that was our leader dissing his own people he would have been gone along time ago but I guess that's the difference between a real democracy and a plastic one
107 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 06:30 pm Report abuse
You mean like Blair blatantly lieing in people faces?
Taking your kids to war based on those very same lies?
Yes, I saw how you lot dealt with him...

Or that is not “dissing his own people”?

Hahahahaha
108 Tobers (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 06:32 pm Report abuse
@Stevie

and who can afford to buy a penthouse in NYC and 2 luxury hotels in Calafate?

You are being rather inconsistent.
109 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 06:34 pm Report abuse
it's a well known fact Blair acted on wrong intelligence information there's a big difference to kirchner openly saying in another country that basicley Argentine universities and it's people are shit
110 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 06:38 pm Report abuse
Sure andy of the toes

Blair didn't know...

But he still profitted from it, didn't he?

But he cashed in 15 minutes after leaving office, didn't he?

That is morally correct, isn't it?

Hahahahaha
111 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 06:40 pm Report abuse
All Prime ministers make a lot of money after leaving office but as I said earlier in Argentina they seem to make it while in office I wonder how that can be
112 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 06:43 pm Report abuse
andy of the toes
Don't worry.
If it's true that CFK has indeed made profit as you claim, Argentina will most surely follow the UK's example and deal with it as the self proclaimed Knights of Justice did with Tony Blair.

Justice will be made indeed (remember that IF)

;)
113 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 06:50 pm Report abuse
But Blair is not being accused of corruption and theft Kirchner is
114 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 06:52 pm Report abuse
Meanwhile...

Today...

In Argentina, despite indications of criminal wrong doing by government, the Judiciary seems to be turning a blind eye and deaf ear.

Nothing will happen. CFK will get away with millions of the people's money.
115 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 06:52 pm Report abuse
andy of the toes
No, she is not, the judge doesn't agree with you.

As for Lanata, his words are as important to the law as yours and mine.
In that sentence, Blair is accused as well

;)
116 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 06:56 pm Report abuse
@Stevie, it's not me you have to convince but your fellow Argentines I just wish the old hag dead ASAP
117 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 06:59 pm Report abuse
Keep praying

Try the camels

;)
118 ChrisR (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 07:01 pm Report abuse
103 Stevie

I seriously doubt if anything said on here by the Brits, even backed up with the ‘proofs’ (proof) would ever change a thing as far as you are concerned.
119 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 07:06 pm Report abuse
@ Stevie, No need Kirchner's doing a good enough job of self destruction the sad thing is she's taking the rest of you bastards down with her.
120 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 07:07 pm Report abuse
Chris
You are wrong, the only thing you have to do is to present that proof.

But you can't.
Because yo have none.
All you have is thin air.
And a weaver named yanquiboy.

;)
121 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 07:10 pm Report abuse
@ Stevie Actually Yankiboy as made correct predictions on your beloved Peso for months now pity your government was not as honest as he is.
122 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 07:12 pm Report abuse
Sure andy, of the toes, Argentina ceased to exist as a country about 2008 according to yanquiboys predictions...

;)
123 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 07:14 pm Report abuse
@ Stevie when it comes to credibility Yankiboy leaves you standing you fool
124 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 07:28 pm Report abuse
I would not expect less of you andy

Of the toes

;)
125 ElaineB (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
I am not a Blair supporter in any way but he did not obtain money by corruption whilst in office. That he has chosen to cash in on his time as PM afterwards is perfectly legal if rather distasteful. Not quite as revolting as his wife selling signed photographs of him.

What CFK is being accused of is massive corruption whilst in office. I am surprised that you seem to be a lone voice in denying this when Argentines, even her supporters, believe this to be true - though they dismiss it as par for the course. You know, 'everyone does it'.

We don't have to produce the evidence here to satisfy you, Stevie, because we are merely commenting on the story. However it is encouraging that CFK's long known about but never dealt with corruption is finally being questioned in the open by Argentines.
126 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 07:40 pm Report abuse
Elaine
So making the cash while in office is ok, just as long as yo don't cash in?
Forgive me for failing to see the moral difference...
127 ElaineB (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 07:53 pm Report abuse
Sorry, that doesn't make sense at all. If you cannot see the difference between stealing whilst in office and smuggling the money out of the country and a legitimate career on the speaker circuit when no longer in office, you need to look at your own moral judgement.
128 Truth_Tellіng_Trοll (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 08:02 pm Report abuse
andy65
Have you ever been to Argentina? For one so vociferous on the subject you have very little knowledge on it.

In fact, have you ever left...Ulster?
129 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 08:21 pm Report abuse
Elaine
Blair cashed in the same afternoon he left office, who are you trying to fool :)
130 ElaineB (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 08:27 pm Report abuse
You don't understand the difference between legitimate earnings after leaving office and illegally stealing whilst in office.

I personally wish Blair had not made a penny but he did it legally.

There is absolutely no comparison to the allegations being made in this article.
131 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 08:37 pm Report abuse
Elaine
Blair made his cash while in office, he just didn't cash in, that is a fact.
CFK made her cash while in office, she also cashed in, that's an allegation.

And there is no moral difference in cashing in after or before leaving office, the act is the same.
132 Truth_Tellіng_Trοll (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 08:41 pm Report abuse
ElaineB
You are wasting your time. He is not the sharpest tool in the box.
133 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 08:50 pm Report abuse
@ Truth_Tellіng_Trοll My dear troll just type in the Words Kirchner,corruption and Argentina into any good search engine we can't all be wrong and that includes the millions of Argentines who are now waking up and smelling the coffee and no I do not reside in Northern Ireland
134 Truth_Tellіng_Trοll (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 08:57 pm Report abuse
(133) Ulster Andy
Yes this is true, but you just about hate Argentina. It is too much and not healthy.

To be happier you must find balance. Come to Argentina and see for yourself, that despite the problems, there are many positives.
135 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 09:02 pm Report abuse
My friend I have no intention to come to a country that started an illegal war where it's people danced in the streets after listening to propaganda that you were winning the conflict then years later try to distance yourself from it and blame a military junta-you are all the same brainwashed, obsessed and deluded.

How is that shit hole Mendoza these days last time I was there nearly lost my passport and had tomato sauce spilt on me.
136 Truth_Tellіng_Trοll (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 09:08 pm Report abuse
“My friend I have no intention to come to a country that started an illegal war ”

“last time I was there nearly lost my passport”

So which is it?

You have been or you have never been?
137 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 09:10 pm Report abuse
andy

“My friend I have no intention to come to a country that started an illegal war ”

So you wont be heading to the UK or USA anytime soon then...
138 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 09:12 pm Report abuse
I have been stepped of cruisliner was met by dirty hairy Argentine hookers being gay it was not a pleasant experience would I go again ? North korea would be more tempting
139 Truth_Tellіng_Trοll (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 09:31 pm Report abuse
A “cruisiner” in Mendoza?

Was is a zeppelin?
140 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 09:33 pm Report abuse
No nossy just reminding you of the shit hole you live in that you would have people believe is something special.
141 ElaineB (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 09:34 pm Report abuse
Yeah, this has deteriorated into name calling and insults again.

To recap, CFK and the K oligarchy is about as corrupt as is possible. That the average Argentine will now pay the price is a pity.

Now CFK has gained control of the judiciary, I doubt she will ever be tried in a court in Argentina but it is quite likely that the people there will dispense an appropriate punishment.

It will be interesting to see how much more the general public will take.
142 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 09:34 pm Report abuse
TTT
Easy on him.
He is not.... the sharpest tool in the box?
143 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 09:38 pm Report abuse
@Stevie I believe Nossy as already described you as that
144 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 09:39 pm Report abuse
andy the toe

You jelous?
145 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 09:42 pm Report abuse
totally, you would make a nice couple you and nossy
146 Truth_Tellіng_Trοll (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 09:45 pm Report abuse
Ok you can both be blunt tools, but Andy gets a special prize for stepping of a cruiseliner in to Mendoza....that is special. Andy you are special.

Did the hairy hookers have any toolage?
147 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 09:54 pm Report abuse
@Truth_Tellіng_Trοll NOSSY if you read the post I was taking the piss out of you after trying all these months that Mendoza was a good place to live-not quite what the British F and C office tells us its a shit hole by all accounts and not very safe
148 Truth_Tellіng_Trοll (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 09:59 pm Report abuse
It has it's issues, like every where, but lots of positives too.

I don’t write-off Ulster just because of all the “problems”.

Throw away your prejudice, open your mind to a world beyond the one you know. We're not all bad. Look beyond the divide.
149 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 10:00 pm Report abuse
TTT
Keep taking your shots, you will never hit your target.
I got bigger enemies than you.

Your words do make me laugh though, that I must admit
150 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 10:02 pm Report abuse
But you spent months telling us all how wonderful it is don't you remember???..

Crime

The most common crimes are distraction theft, bag snatching and armed robberies. Take particular care in restaurants and internet cafes, on public transport and in the tourist areas of San Telmo, La Boca and Retiro. Keep a close eye on your personal possessions at all times. Avoid carrying large amounts of cash or wearing jewellery. Avoid isolated or poorly lit areas at night.

Con-men have been known to rob tourists while an accomplice pretends to help remove ketchup or mustard that has been ‘accidentally’ sprayed on them. There have also been reports of thieves posing as hotel guests and snatching bags while tourists are checking into hotels or hostels. Another common tactic is slitting handbags in crowded places and snatching mobile phones while they are being used.

Passport thefts are common especially in Buenos Aires and Mendoza. Leave your passport in a hotel safe or security box and keep a photocopy of the details page with you at all times.

Kidnappings and so called ‘express kidnappings’ occur in Argentina. Victims are normally held while criminals empty their bank accounts with cash cards. Once the ransom is paid the victim is usually quickly released. It is common for thefts to take place when withdrawing cash from ATMs.

Indeed it sounds a wonderful place to visit that Tomato ketchup ruined my Ralph Lauren shirt
151 Truth_Tellіng_Trοll (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 10:12 pm Report abuse
(150)
“wonderful” is relative. We have lots of problems to solve.

We have ketchup crime and express kidnappings you have religious hatred and knee cappings.
We are not so different.

Next time you are on your zeppelin, bring your ketchup and get down with the locals.

This is not a day for sound bites, but I feel a splash of ketchup on my shoulder.

(149)
Ditto and happy hunting.
152 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 10:17 pm Report abuse
@ Truth_Tellіng_Trοll For you information I live in Southern England on the Sandbanks Peninsula look me up some time though you would def feel out of place in such an up market area

It was nice to see two Argentine Queens Truth_Tellіng_Trοll and Stevie having a go at eachother
153 Truth_Tellіng_Trοll (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 10:21 pm Report abuse
(152) Andy
Life is always more interesting when one is out of place.
154 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 10:24 pm Report abuse
andy
You will never see me having a go at an Argentine.
Not that it doesnt happen.
You will just never see it.
155 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 10:24 pm Report abuse
@Truth_Tellіng_Trοll and I am sure you have had vast experience of being out of place
156 Truth_Tellіng_Trοll (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 10:52 pm Report abuse
(155)
I am out of place everyday.
157 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 10:54 pm Report abuse
Tonight I shall be sitting in my beach side home drinking fine red wine and dining on Patagonian lamb
158 surfer (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 10:55 pm Report abuse
Ahem...

www.lanoticia1.com/noticia/quien-es-lazaro-baez-el-empresario-kirchnerista-sospechado-por-lavado-de-dinero-60834.html

http://www.180.com.uy/articulo/32762_Guia-practica-del-LanataGate

blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/2013/04/22/argentina-and-corruption-business-as-usual/#axzz2RtXeOUAu

m24digital.com/en/2013/04/15/elisa-carrio-on-the-route-of-k-money-video/

www.latinnews.com/component/k2/item/55775-argentina-to-investigate-kirchner-money-laundry-allegations.html

Old but still very relevant:
www.thecrimson.com/article/2012/10/1/kirchner-argentina-abuses/

elpais.com/elpais/2013/04/17/inenglish/1366221276_051203.html

www.clarin.com/politica/red_de_dinero_K-Lanata-Lazaro_Baez-Nestor_Kirchner-Periodismo_para_Todos_0_905309775.html
159 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 10:57 pm Report abuse
andy
You are in the UK.
You might be dining Patagonian lamb.
You might be drinking red wine.
But for sure you are not on any beach.
They simply not qualify...
160 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:01 pm Report abuse
by the beach and on the beach are completely different
161 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:04 pm Report abuse
And you are neither.
They simply don't qualify as beaches.

Enjoy that lamb :)
162 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:07 pm Report abuse
The lamb taste like shit I shall return it for a full refund..here take a look where I live

www.google.co.uk/search?q=sandbanks&hl=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=2Px-UbexGOia0AWsx4HoCg&sqi=2&ved=0CD4QsAQ&biw=1263&bih=591
163 Truth_Tellіng_Trοll (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:09 pm Report abuse
surfer, you spoilt the mood...

Andy, good choices...I hope you're not putting any ketchup on that lamb...or on your shirt (leave that to some hairy Argie hooker)... and what's for pudding?
164 surfer (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:09 pm Report abuse
Ignore the news if you don't agree with it. It's all Clarin lies I tell you, lies!
165 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:11 pm Report abuse
for pudding lips of Cristina with a mild brandy souce
166 Anbar (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:11 pm Report abuse
So... little time as usual atm but..summary:

“Famous” Argentine journalist says that CFKs mob control 80% of the Argentine media and effectively use it as a propaganda tool.

Having taken control of the media, disrupted her opposition and made a personal family fortune, she is now aiming at the Judiciary.

Stevie thinks that if this guy had any proof he should go to the Judiciary - parts of which she already controls and has already used to amass her fortune and political power.

If he doesnt do that he must be lying. QED.

Inherent Irony in the situation anyone?

So, recently we have:
Peso becoming worthless. Government sponsored terrorism against other national airlines. Government sponsored seminar on how to “write out” the 82 war from “the falklands islands question”. Imminent censure from IMF. Imminent court-order to pay up on debts from US court.

but MORE important than ANY of that... something about the daughter(?) of the trolley-dolly “ambassador” wearing a slutty-dress somewhere....? WTF is all that about..and how is it relevant to this article?

Oh, and the usual “If you dont live in Argentina you're not allowed to comment” Bullshit.../me yawns & points at all the Arg expats.
167 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:12 pm Report abuse
Nice attempt of a beach...
Now, where should I start...
Cabo Polonio.... nah
Punta del Diablo....or
Santa Teresa!
Barra del Chuy?
No, lets go all in and go for Punta del Este...

Or come and visit me in la Costa de Oro.

And have some proper lamb

;)
168 surfer (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:14 pm Report abuse
Faaaaaark these internet tooing and froiiing arguments are REALLY interesting.
169 Anbar (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:15 pm Report abuse
or.. www.walescoastpath.gov.uk/images/svw-c45-1011-0099-a7w-1024.jpg

there's some of the best beaches in the world in the UK... its just the weather is shit to enjoy them to the full.

you have to be a bit of a travel-less tool to even think otherwise... and defo~ not a surfer, kite-boarder, windsurfer, diver etc etc.

Cornwall, Scotland.. lots of top beaches...
170 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:16 pm Report abuse
@Anbar the article on Castro's daughter was in a blog written by an London based Argentine she is a friend of stevies

www.loveartnotpeople.com/2013/02/an-embarrassing-ambassador-alicia.html#.UX7-9b5wacw
171 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:16 pm Report abuse
surfer
Take all those links to the ICJ...
172 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:17 pm Report abuse
The link to THE TOE returns LOL
173 Anbar (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:18 pm Report abuse
“”And have some proper lamb “”

New Zealand then?
174 Truth_Tellіng_Trοll (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:18 pm Report abuse
166 (Anbar)
You missed out the “Camel toe” saga and the bit where Andy steps of a cruiseliner in to Mendoza and gets ketchup squirted at him by two hairy hookers.
175 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:19 pm Report abuse
andy
You got to admit that was quite funny :)
176 Anbar (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:21 pm Report abuse
ok.. what camel toe on that link?

I was expecting some serious MOOSE HOOF.... but not even the worlds smallest Ungulate was present - did they change the photo?
177 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:22 pm Report abuse
@ Truth_Tellіng_Trοll Nossy still doesn't get it that someone was taking the piss at his expence
178 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:23 pm Report abuse
No Anbar
andy meant the neckline...

Happens to the best of us :)
179 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:25 pm Report abuse
'@Anbar click on the blog scroll down to the pic of Castro and her daughter in denin shorts dirty blond looking bird clear sign of a camel toe going on there
180 Anbar (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:25 pm Report abuse
“andy meant the neckline...”

if shes got camel-toe in her neckline the girl is in SERIOUS trouble...
181 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:26 pm Report abuse
Hahahahaha andy

The clearest you've ever seen, in that we can agree :)
182 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:27 pm Report abuse
LOL never seen a camel toe at such high altitude as the neckline
183 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:28 pm Report abuse
...or lower...

;)
184 Anbar (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:31 pm Report abuse
dudes: a picture speaks a thousand words..... “Ungulata”: cdn.ebaumsworld.com/picture/joshisthug/MajorCamelToe.png
185 surfer (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:34 pm Report abuse
We have a winner!
186 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:34 pm Report abuse
Hahahaa Anbar!
That's no camel toe.

She's wearing a sweater!!
187 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:41 pm Report abuse
@151 teen troll Toby

“I don’t write-off Ulster just because of all the “problems”.

That's ”troubles”, Toby. :-)

“you have religious hatred and knee cappings. ”

Oh dear, are you sure??
Have you been to Ulster, Toby?

There are no bandits running through the streets, kneecapping innocents and taking their purse (or man-purse), no worries for you!

I remember driving through Belfast in the days of fire-gutted cars and row-houses in the poor neighbourhoods (Catholic), the soldiers in every doorway, the Checkpoints, the barricades. The family car damaged as the family business was bombed.
In spite of all this, it was sectarian violence and apart from searches in the bigger shops, it was 'business as usual'.
'Kneecapping' was not directed at regular civilians or tourists.

There's still religious hatred, but things have changed since the 70's.

Good God Toby - what have you been reading???

You must be scared shitless about leaving Mendoza,
all those drug addicts in Alaska, Red Indians in the USA slums, kneecapping purse snatchers, and 'foreigners' of all sorts, just waiting to prey on a spotty-faced Argentine kid!!

Scary being 'out of place', I suppose.
188 Anbar (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:51 pm Report abuse
Its not a proper holiday spot unless there's a good story of death, kidnap, mutilation, corruption, bribery, thieving and armed robbery.

And its the same on every planet i've been too...
189 surfer (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:51 pm Report abuse
So regarding the accusations of Lanata of Govt. influence on the media and money laundering by the highest placed members of said Govt....

The malvinista's response is..... nothing

Once again you guys got Nothing.

Nothing to refute the allegations, nada.
190 Anbar (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 12:01 am Report abuse
its hard to come back so quickly “off the hoof”...
191 Stevie (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 01:45 am Report abuse
surfer

Here are Lanata's two “witnesses”

www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fHiLPTxgNw

www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HRjea00joU
192 manchesterlad (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 11:02 am Report abuse
This guy dweebie has been trolling from 8.17am to 1.45 am non stop....he's either a psycopath or La Campora are paying him by the comment & he has to earn his 7 pesos to survive

Or he's just one sick puppy with no life!!!
193 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 03:42 pm Report abuse
192manlad

La Campora must feel thst its important to blunt serious discussion and put up a 'smoke' screen over this.

'Stevie' is very aggressive about this and doing his best to intimidate and deride other posters.

Clearly, a citizen has spoken out publicly about CFK corruption and attempted destruction of the Free Press, coming just before an election.

And the remaining media is carrying the message.

The government can't have that!!!

FREE SPEECH for Argentina!
DEMOCRACY for Argentina!!!
194 Baxter (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 07:17 pm Report abuse
Lots of discussion , Stevie and Elaine in action but are we not missing the main point ? The Government control 80 percent of media . If Clarin crumbles they will have 100 percent . End of democracy ! Do the Argentines really want to be like Cuba or the Soviet Union ? And worse still no BBC world news on short wave ! What gave hope to the opressed .
195 Sir Rodderick Bodkin (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 07:20 pm Report abuse
Stevie reminds me of Trash Talking Troll.
I wonder where that guy went?
196 Baxter (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 09:07 pm Report abuse
195 we are all worried about Stevie . Did his mother drop him when he was a baby?
197 Stevie (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 09:31 pm Report abuse
Baxter
LANATA says the government controls...

That could be 2%, 15%, 50% and even media abroad...
198 Baxter (#) May 01st, 2013 - 12:12 am Report abuse
197 so the Government controls , just what I am saying . Next 100 percent and then you are dead as a dodo !
199 axel arg (#) May 01st, 2013 - 06:14 pm Report abuse
BEYOND HYPOCRESY.
It's necesary to date a couple of important detaills.
Jorge lanata used to be a great journalist for any years, some of his investigations were excellent, in fact, he was one of the few jornalists who were brave enough in order to criticise the corruption cases that involve the clarin group, mostly in relation to papel prensa.
However, since he has been hired by that group, he has became into a decadent hypocrite who makes reports only in relation to the corruption cases that involve c. f. k's govt., but he doesn't say absolutly anything in reference to the corruption cases that involve the government of opponent politic parties, especially mauricio macri, who is one of the politic partners of the clarin group.
In reference to his programmes, many of his reports are usually full of lies, and most them are often refuted with solid sources by the programmes that support c. f. k.'s government. If may of you prefer believing what this hypocrite says, i respect it, but unfortunatelly you'll be buying just mediatic operations.
Respecting the soposed 80% of the media that the govt. controlls. It is one of his usuall idiot arguments, but he doesn't say that while it is true that many chanels and radios support c. f. k's govt., they all are nothing if you compared them with the power of the clarin group which represents the 53% of thee media in the country, beside, it has 250 licences of radio and tv in the whole country.
On the other hand, before being hired by the clarin group, lanata was one of the main supporters of the new broadcast law sanctioned in 2009, which doesn't allow the oligopolic concentration, but now he doesn't say anything about it. The new law allows no more than 25 licences for all the mediatic corporations, however the clarin group could get all the injuctions that it wanted, thanks to the entaills that it has with the most corporative sector of the justice, in order to not to comply with the new law.
200 Troy Tempest (#) May 01st, 2013 - 10:32 pm Report abuse
Axel

As you have just demonstrated, there is no need for anyone else to criticise Macri, the government and La Campora are doing just fine in that regard.

Lanata is NOT obligated to criticise Macri or anyone else, in order to criticise CFK.
Certainly, it is more significant that the President is attempting to control the media, by statute, than a minor story of the usual mud-slinging between your politicians.

Interesting that you note Lanata was a great journalist, but ceased to be when he wrote negative things about CFK!

Argentina is a huge country, a large number of media outlets would be required to provide national service.
250 licences reduced to 25 would reduce the size of Ckarin by 90%, yet government outlets owned ostensibly by various companies would easily shout down CLARIN by unopposed broadcasting of government messages and propaganda.
201 axel arg (#) May 01st, 2013 - 11:33 pm Report abuse
TROY TOMPEST.
Sorry, but your answer can't be more decadent.
Lanata says all the time that he is an independent journalist, and criticises some of his collegues who manifest publicly their support to c. f. k's govt., he says those people don't do journalism, but propaganda.
If he were really independent and serious, he woulnd't criticise only the corruption cases that involve c. f. k's govt., like he often does, he would criticise also the corruption cases that involve the politic partners of the clarin group and others. I'm sure that beyond the rejection that you feel for c. f. k's govt., you are intelligent enough in order to realize of it.
In relation to the chanels or newspapers that support c. f. k's govt., you can agree or not on their editorial lines, however they are much more serious every time they inform about different issues, beside, there are also interesting debates about the corruption cases that involve c. f. k's govt.
Anyay, for me the best chanel is the public television, canal 7, especially it's news editions.
I think it's necesary to have an opened and honest debate about the relation between the media and the governments. It has always been important for absolutly all the governments in the world.
In a democratic nation, any chanel or newspaper have right to have any editorial line in relation to any govt., however it doesn't have any right to lie to the people, like some chanels and newspapers often do (clarin, la nación, and perfil).
The new broadcast law aims to reduce the hight oligopolic concentration that we have in the country. I would like to know how are the regulations in the u. k., in order to avoid oligopolic concentrations.
In the case of the u. s. a., if a busssienss man owns a chanel, he can't own a newspaper.
In argentina, owning a chanel, and a newspaper by the same person is not forbiden, in fact, the clarin group owns not just 250 licences along the country, but also the largest spanish spoken newspaper of the world.
202 Troy Tempest (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 02:14 am Report abuse
Axel

Decadent? Gosh!!

”In a democratic nation, any chanel or newspaper have right to have any editorial line in relation to any govt., however it doesn't have any right to lie to the people, like some chanels and newspapers often do (clarin, la nación, and perfil).“

They lie??
Who decides they have lied?
If they had really lied, they would be sued and charged with libel in our countries.
Of course, it would need to be proven.

Have you proven that CLARIN etc. have lied?
Or is the government just angry at what they print or say.

Too bad. That is known as Freedom of the Press.
Our governments are regularly, sometimes relentlessly, pursued by the Press.
Nothing can be done to stop it, not should it.

”In argentina, owning a chanel, and a newspaper by the same person is not forbiden, in fact, the clarin group owns not just 250 licences along the country, but also the largest spanish spoken newspaper of the world.”

Nothing wrong with that, but CFK's government is determined to stop that and limit to 25.
203 yankeeboy (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 12:08 pm Report abuse
Troy, be glad your analysis wasn't mediocre, seems like everyone else's is...whatever that means. I think it is a translation fail.

Don't bother trying to explain how the real world works he is really too stupid and indoctrinated to ever understand.
204 Troy Tempest (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 03:14 pm Report abuse
203 Yankee

Yeah, I might as well pee in the ocean got all the good it will do.

;-)
205 axel arg (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 06:36 pm Report abuse
TROY TOMPEST.
I prove everyday that clarin, la nación, and perfil lie. In fact, i believed in clarin untill 5 years ago. But since 2008, i have started to realize that it's not reliable anymore, the mediatc operations that those newspapers usually do, are refuted with solid arguments and sources by programmes that support c. f. k's govt. Anyway, i don't need those programmes in order to realize that those newspapers are not reliable, when i hear cristina's statements, and after i read what is published in some of those newspapers, i can see that they often distort what she says, or make a shamefull manipulation of her words. You can reject as much as you like what i say, i'ts your problem, but unfortunatlly you'll continue having a too partial view about argentina's situation.
You are mixing freedom of press, with mediatic operations. I don't think you are neather stupid nor ignorant. I'm sure that you know that what you said was actually a distorted interpretation of what freedom of expression really is, especially if i had told you previouslly that those newspapers lie. However you need this kind of stupid arguments, in order to continue rejecting a government that you don't like. It would be good for you to find better arguments, if you are so detractor of c. f. k's policies.
206 yankeeboy (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 07:00 pm Report abuse
This is what happens in an Idiocracy
The gene pool is so watered down they become fools
It is really the only explanation I can come up with
Anyone esle think of anything?
Too much fluoride in the water perhaps?

The posts are getting dumber and dumber as the peso go down and down
9.63/1
Will be break 10 next week?
207 ChrisR (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
206 yankeeboy

It's happening in the UK as well but that is driven by the last Labour Party hand-outs to bribe the recipients to vote for whichever socialist numbnut is 'Leader'. The trouble is once you become a dependent family the children think that is what life ia all about: sponging and petty crime.
208 yankeeboy (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 09:20 pm Report abuse
Here too, although I was watching this www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2R8YMiw9k4 from 1948 so I think there is still hope for both of our countries!
209 Troy Tempest (#) May 03rd, 2013 - 12:08 am Report abuse
@207 chrisR

“The trouble is once you become a dependent family the children think that is what life ia all about: sponging and petty crime.”

Yes, we have that here too, multi-generational welfare families - no role model for being responsible and employed.
They become used to being at home - maybe 'babysitting' under the table etc., but eventually, mainstream employment cramps their lifestyle.

At the same time, we also have legitimate, noble “working-poor”, struggling families where the parent(s) work three low-paying jobs to give their children what they need, and just barely eke out a living!
I have a lot of respect for them - we have the highest urban property values in Canada, and people with families that cannot break through the “glass ceiling” of Minimum Wage.
210 ChrisR (#) May 03rd, 2013 - 11:18 am Report abuse
@208 & 209

I am from a mid 1940s working class family.

After WW2 my father (with his bullet wound in his leg) worked as a miner and then got a better job in a gas works. My mother would not go back to work until I went to school so SHE could look after me and that was a part time job in a printing factory which meant she was always there for ME.

So I grew up with a work ethic which seems totally missing from a large section of the population today, without getting into the 'my dads wealthy I can laze about syndrome' which you also see.

That's why I left the UK: it's bollocks.

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