Tuesday, August 20th 2013 - 01:50 UTC

Cristina Fernandez losing her nerve; furiously blasts journalist for exposing her trip to tax-haven Seychelles

The Argentine government replied furiously on Sunday night to the latest chapter of journalist Jorge Lanata program on corruption in Argentina which so far had exposed top officials and protected businesspeople of the Kirchner couple administrations but on this occasion targeted President Cristina Fernandez and her non disclosed two-day visit last January to the Seychelles islands a renowned tax haven.

CFK outbursts are making her lose control;  Lanata whose program, journalism for all, Sunday after Sunday is torpedoing Kirchnerism arrogance

Even before the late Sunday program was over Oscar Parrilli, Secretary General of the Executive and one of the closest aides of Cristina Fernandez was calling Lanata and his program a “media hit-man” and an “operation mounted to destabilize the government”.

Lanata in his last program visited Seychelles and linked the Indian ocean islands with two Argentine business people, one of them the main public works contractor in Patagonia, who have been involved in money laundering with alleged Argentine government protection.

Seychelles together with Belize and Panama were mentioned by businessman Federico Elaskar as the tax havens used by the public works contractor Lazaro Baez, and apparently was the way to re-introduce money to Argentina via Nevada in the US.

According to the program Journalism for All (Periodismo Para Todos) in Seychelles is based an Argentine firm Adyne, currently under investigation by an Argentine prosecutor and with links to the financing company SGI, at the time also known as “La Rosadita”, the diminutive for (Casa) Rosada, where the money laundering operations and dollar exchange operations (banned for other mortals) allegedly took place. The company now operates under the name of Helvetic Services Group, HSG.

However Aldyne is a society that holds 148 companies created in Nevada, US and which according to the prosecutor’s investigation, quoted by Lanata, remain under control of Helvetic, the mysterious Swiss fund which purchased La Rosadiata when the cover up of the operations and its regular visitors to the company’s offices in the posh Puerto Madero neighbourhood blew up.

President Cristina Fernandez earlier this year, January 21/22 effectively (and unofficially) called at Seychelles when she was on an official tour of Asian countries that included Vietnam. The stop was unaccounted for although it was mentioned in Congress by a lawmaker during the discussion of the recent money ‘clearance-bill’ which was approved by the dollar-short Cristina Fernandez administration majority to try and convince Argentines to bring their funds back to the country, free of taxes or levies and no questions asked.

When this was aired on Sunday the immediate reaction, even before the program was over, was a twitted communiqué accusing Lanata of ‘lies, infamies, insults and fabrications” and calling him a “media hit-man at the service of Hector Magneto and Clarin”.

All the fabricated claims are a “hypocritical media show” which delivers nothing “but hate and infamies”. “The only thing missing was a search warrant into Nestor Kirchner’s mausoleum, but we don’t discard that some prosecutor of so called ‘independent’ judge might order it” said some extracts of the surprisingly aggressive communiqué.

In several consecutive Sunday programs Lanata has been exposing corruption schemes mounted by several of the most trusted Kirchener couple aides, involving money laundering, skimming funds from public works, awarding contracts and bids to friendly business people who in less than ten years have become millionaires.

The deceased Nestor Kirchner passion for vaults and cash money was exposed on several occasions by former aides, political allies and with documents showing for example the purchase of the vaults from the former Rio Gallegos mortgage bank which were auctioned when the bank moved to a new building. According to blueprints they are believed to have been installed in one of the family’s mansions in Santa Cruz province. “Nestor needed to feel the money with his hands” said a former political ally.

But this was the first time Cristina Fernandez is mentioned in an active role, calling in a non official visit a tax haven where she spent 48 hours and not 13 as its was immediately twitted. The 48 hours was confirmed in the official Gazette with details of the stops and time. Her Sunday night defenders said the call was to refuel the presidential aircraft. But Seychelles is also where the Adyne, mother of another 148 companies and under investigation, is hosted.

Up until now, besides her passion for jewellery, fancy cloth, shoes and purses it was believed Cristina Fernandez was not part of the oiled scheme organized by her late husband. However the fact she stopped in Seychelles where Adyne one of the ‘mother’ companies of the network is located, and the furious immediate vociferous insulting reaction, far from excusing her seems to confirm many of the suspicions.

Despite the mass of accusations involving Kirchnerite government officials, friendly businesspeople, Nestor Kirchner and now Cristina, there have been no libel claims against the Lanata program. The government strategy has been to let the issue die by itself since most of the media is in effect under Kirchner control, be it through publicity funds or family friends that have bought television and broadcasting stations and newspapers.

Asked by the government’s reaction Lanata said he was surprised at the language and threatening tone, but insists he is a simple journalist doing his job. “I’m no media hit-man, all I have reported has been double checked, in this case is part of the prosecution’s investigation. Furthermore I have no intention of destabilizing the government, on the contrary I wish President Cristina Fernandez can end her two years in office and reaffirm Argentine institutions, but as I have said before I’m only asking her to reconsider much of what she has done and decided”.

Lanata said Cristina advisors and aides fear her outbursts and worse than that “they believe people are stupid, that they can convince them with communiqués and speeches. No people might take longer to pick something up but they are certainly not stupid. The last primaries show that, people are fed up of the government trying to manipulate judges and prosecutors to cover up all the corruption scandals”.

“What is more, in this latest sketch Parrilli is only an errand boy, he wouldn’t dare such initiative: the communiqué and all this reaction is pure Cristina”, underlined Lanata.

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1 Troy Tempest (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 02:27 am Report abuse

C'mon Trolls, tell us she is just a sweet girl who did we at her Law practice, and takes the welfare of her people to heart, above all else.
2 The Truth PaTroll (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 02:29 am Report abuse
I trust her more than a foreigner.

Analyze that statement both possible ways.
3 Troy Tempest (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 02:34 am Report abuse

Thanks, “TP ”
4 LEPRecon (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 02:35 am Report abuse
@2 Tobias

Then you are a fool. She, and her cohorts, have raped Argentina of everything useful, and stolen the pensions of the Argentine people.

Her reaction to this programme is not that of a professional politician, who would have kept silent, unless asked a direct question about it (not that CFK takes questions from journalists), but of a guilty amateur who believes that she can threaten people in to silence.

Her time really is coming to an end. Unfortunately for the people of Argentina it is already too late. She has destroyed your economy, probably for decades to come, and it will take a lot of work for any future administration to build trust with international communities.

I know that you'll say Argentina doesn't 'need anyone', like you usually do, Tobias, but we all know that isn't true.

Argentina has vast resources, but cannot exploit any of them because NO company can trust the Argentine government not steal everything in sight.

But never mind, Tobias, whilst you are wallowing in your poverty, the rest of the world (that you don't need) will resume normal jogging.
5 The Truth PaTroll (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 02:42 am Report abuse
Why would anyone trust a foreigner more than a national? What country in history has benefited from such pusillanimous rational?

I could have meant by my statement “yes CFK is utterly corrupt, but foreigners are even worse than that”. As I said, there are two ways of interpreting my statement but I realize most of my neural contributions may require several readings for noetically median individuals to comprehend.

I rather be poor and not owe anyone any favors or gratitude, than rich and being told in my face that my success is thanks to them, not myself.
6 Troy Tempest (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 02:43 am Report abuse
Good job “TP”

It's your loyalty that allows her to continue her thievery from Argentina and the Argentine people.
How much does she pay you?
7 Iron Man (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 02:47 am Report abuse
@2 Who is asking you to trust a foreigner? Lanata is an Argentine. By your rationale, you must therefore trust him and his expose of your leader.

Oh sorry, I forgot, you were in deflection mode.
8 The Truth PaTroll (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 02:49 am Report abuse
The question was what I thought of CFK, I responded with a very rational, very common sense reply. I will never trust a foreigner more than an argentine. Why would I?
9 CaptainSilver (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 03:06 am Report abuse
#8 ..then your pockets will always be empty. But you don't inhabit RG land so no need to worry!
10 golfcronie (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 03:15 am Report abuse
Because the majority of foreign companies ( I will quantify that by saying the exception is Latam countries ) that sign agreements usually abide by them. To the subject in hand, why has the Government of Argentina not brought libel charges against Lanata? If I had someone publically saying what he is saying about me I would not rant and rave, I would sue him for libel, Is there no libel laws in your country or are all the judiciary bent or bought. I know she wants all the judiciary to come under the control of the government.
11 The Truth PaTroll (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 03:20 am Report abuse

I think it is time for prisencolinensinainciusol

12 Anglotino (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 03:42 am Report abuse
Nostrils is indicative of the naivety that permeates the Argentine electorate.

The government engenders a sense of distrust of foreigners and other countries and international institutions which permeates downs to people who can't critically think such as Nostrils.

The government then robs the electorate blind and itself trusts foreigners, foreign countries and international institutions to hide their misbegotten gains.

But simpletons such as Nostrils are so indoctrinated by what the left hand of the government is doing that he doesn't realise that the right hand has not only robbed him blind but is also applying the lube to its fist to deal the final coup de grâce.

I always mistrust my government until it proves otherwise and I'd never trust a leader that spend 2 days in a tax haven and then lied about it.
13 LEPRecon (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 03:45 am Report abuse
@11 Tobias


14 Faz (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 03:55 am Report abuse
Nostril is languishing in comfort, in Europe. Why would he be posting at 4am Meddoza time? When he is not worshipping One Direction, or on his PlayStation, he earns a few bob in distraction trolling. The only Mendoza he knows about is mendacity.
More damaging revelations for KFC. No wonder she won't speak to journos and keeps banging on about mythical lands. More distraction politics from the old dear.
15 Monkeymagic (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 04:13 am Report abuse

Lets look at your argument in more detail.

You'd sooner trust Leopaldo Galtieri, Jorge Videla and Cristina Fernandez than say Mother Theresa of Calcutta or Ghandi or Pope John Paul II.

If you were lying injured in the street you'd prefer Hector Timmerman or Jorge Anaya to turn up than Medicines sans Frontiere.

16 ElaineB (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 04:27 am Report abuse
TTT, isn't paid to troll. He has called CFK's government corrupt and paranoid. He is not a government supporter he just blindly defends anything he perceives as Argentine.

As I have said many times, the end for CFK is not going to be pretty and, unlike a lady, she will not know when to leave with dignity.
17 St.John (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 04:32 am Report abuse
Tobias Big Nostril simply has the motto “Recht oder Unrecht, mein Vaterland”, so Galtieri was a nostrils hero.
18 Welsh Wizard (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 04:39 am Report abuse
Saw something on this yesterday. A company set up in Ireland in Nestor's name. Effectively it was a shell company in a low tax jurisdiction. Not entirely sure why a president or even a lawyer needs a company of this type which only seems to accept pass through payments. Normally these types of companies are only owned and run by bent tax dodging businessmen...
19 Casper (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 05:37 am Report abuse
She's starting to lose it. The walls are starting to close in. I almost feel sorry for her.
20 Captain Poppy (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 05:38 am Report abuse
When someone becomes a President in most free countries, they place all their assets on a blind trust to avoid decisions that may become a conflict of interest. .......not Argentina.
21 Britishbulldog (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 05:41 am Report abuse
The Queen was in her counting house,
Counting out her money
The son was in the parlour,
Snorting coke and khat

The peasants were in the garden,
Hanging out her clothes,
When down came a blackbird
And pecked off her plastic nose.
22 Frank (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 06:44 am Report abuse
What a stupid cow.... why didn't she have lunch with the prez of the Seychelles when she was there? It would have taken the curse off the trip and she could have announced - to them that actually gave a monkey's toss- that the Seychellezian goverment supported the TD's claim to the mythical malvinas.

That Hector Magneto sounds like a bright spark... lots smarter than TMBOA
23 MrFlagpole (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 07:02 am Report abuse
who is surprised really?

the phrase “operation mounted to destabilize the government” is very telling. it mitigates her of her responsibility. to attack her is to attack the government.
24 ChrisR (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 07:23 am Report abuse
I really think we are looking at the start of the end for TMBOA.

25 manchesterlad (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 07:25 am Report abuse
Everybody knows that the CFK administration is corrupt, but this alone will not cause her downfall since corruption is endemic in Arg

Having said that show me one poor politician in any part of the world, they are all in it for the money & their life long pensions........even in the poorest countries in Africa all the politicians are multi-millionaires!!!
26 ElaineB (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 07:25 am Report abuse
LOL! Is it true that CFK's goons are blaming the English for her having to stay two days in the Seycelles? LOL! Apparently it was the company they leased the aircraft from the insisted she stop-over in the Seychelles for TWO DAYS. (Still laughing) And it is because the company provides services to companies operating in the Falklands that they held the President of Argentina hostage for TWO DAYS but somehow it has never been mentioned until yesterday.

Good grief. If only members of CFK's government had brains to engage before they opened their mouths.

(Still loving the picture editor's sense of humour. CFK modelling for a blow-up doll is priceless).
27 Klingon (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 07:32 am Report abuse
AS fuc...ked up as all this is, it makes for great entertainment.
This is a movie in the making..
The wicked witch melting away.
28 Frank (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 07:33 am Report abuse
If my memory serves she went from the UAE to Vietnam.... well the Seychelles are a long way due south of the UAE and Vietnam due east. She must think people are very very thick.
29 Biguggy (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 07:37 am Report abuse
@ 22 & 23
I agree

@ 26ElaineB
Had no previously heard that one, but it is good for a laugh. Should it be anywhere near accurate it means her 'goons' must believe the 'rest of the world' have an IQ level on a par with theirs. Love it
30 ElaineB (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 07:50 am Report abuse
@29 It plays well to the likes of TTT that need a foreign entity to blame everything on.

I think it gives us a glimpse into the chaos that reigns in the palace of CFK.
31 Zool (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 07:52 am Report abuse
Fools will still lover her to the bitter end, Only once she is gone will they start to see the full scale of her governments corruption. Just wait till they all retire & find their private pensions some $29bn of Argentine civic savings were re-nationalized by Cristina & her friends & she has looted the money & left them worthless IOU's.
32 Anbar (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 07:58 am Report abuse
So CFK has been inextricably linked to the corruption of her ex-Husband.

Well smack me silly and call me Susan.

Aint THAT a Shocker?!

CFK = corrupt



The ranting and drooling by her kinda proves it, especially when combined with the absence of any legal action... and that's bearing in mind that shes trying to own all the judges as well as all the media.

Oopsie CFK!!!
33 yankeeboy (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 08:25 am Report abuse
Dictators always tend to overstay their welcome.
I've said many times, she'll never get to spend the U$ she has stolen.
Watch for the rats abandoning the ship.
34 Captain Poppy (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 08:26 am Report abuse
Can you imagine the chaos that must be taking place at Casa Rosada? She must be going from room to room stomping her feet and screaming at everyone in her view.
Where's my botox?
Where's my med's
where's my IV's
Can't I have Fatsimo and his thugs kill him?

I bet her eyes are glowing red and snot it drooling out her reconstructed nose.
35 Frank (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 08:34 am Report abuse
oops, I see she stopped there on the way back from Vietnam... not on her way there. Still an odd route to take.
36 Forgetit87 (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 08:34 am Report abuse
37 Captain Poppy (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 08:54 am Report abuse
One of Asslip Kirchner's buddy and ally:

38 Anglotino (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 08:54 am Report abuse
I can't remember the last time I clicked on a link in someone's comment.
39 Forgetit87 (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 09:13 am Report abuse
It's official - Britain joins Putin's league.

International HR orgs now denounce *British* attempts at journalist intimidation:

40 yankeeboy (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 09:18 am Report abuse
39 Forgetit87, why don't you try and stick to the topic of the article?
Too painful to watch?
41 ElaineB (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 09:20 am Report abuse
@39 Wrong thread. Try harder to keep up.

I wonder why the numerous articles about CFK's deteriorating mental health has not reached these pages?
42 JamesS (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 09:31 am Report abuse
the government suspended the official Casa Rosada twitter account after they aimed criticism at Jorge Lanata de gordo chanta Ha ha .. Apparently it was due to hacking though ... nothing to do with them ! (cough cough)
43 trenchtoast (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 09:34 am Report abuse
Apart from being a tax haven the Seychelles is known for beaches and sun. It seems an odd place to go for someone who always wears black and doesn't like the sun one little bit.
44 ElaineB (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 09:38 am Report abuse
@43 Indeed. The reason CFK didn't stay for Chavez's funeral was because her doctors advised her against being in the heat. Her physical condition is almost as bad as her mental health.
45 geoff nolan (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 09:58 am Report abuse
Grupo K has given new meaning to the term “sociedad anònima”. Her name is associated with almost 150 shell companies and counting. The government of the Seychelles won't divulge the name of one officer of even one company. Jorge Lanata, “the assassin”, is right to point out the existence of all these anonymous entities. That was some refueling stop Kretina.
46 yankeeboy (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 10:42 am Report abuse
44. Her mental health has been precarious for a very long time. My sources say she is incomprehensible/delusional most of the time.
I see a ever weakened head of state in a county that demands a strong“man” to run it.
The crack are getting bigger and bigger
I can't imagine she'll last the remaining term
FatMax and little flower better get out while the getting is good
Momma won't be able to protect them very much longer
47 schnack2 (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 10:53 am Report abuse
It's so sad and pathetic to watch this unhinged woman come completely unglued as she's going full speed off the rails. CFK is a trainwreck. It's devastating, but I can't look away.
48 Simon68 (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 10:57 am Report abuse
Jorge Lanata never once accused CFK of ANYTHING during his programme last Sunday!!!!!!!!!!

What he pointed out was:

1) The decree authorizing the trip was published in the Official Bulletin in the month of MARCH when the trip was in JANUARY, and specifically mentioned the dates (21 to 23 January) of the stopover in the Seychelles.

2) If the President wanted to take a short holiday in the Seychelles, that was within her rights, but she should tell the people who paid for the trip that that was what she was doing.

3) One of the people who originally spilt the beans on Lázaro Báez mentioned the Seychelles as one of the places they did a start up.

4) The available documents relating to the consultancy company in Northern Ireland shows that the director was Nestor Kirchner.

Not once did Lanata say that CFK had done anything wrong, only that the government had not been transparent over the final part of her trip!!!!!!!!!
49 True Blue (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 11:02 am
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50 The Truth PaTroll (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 11:08 am Report abuse

51 FI_Frost (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 11:25 am Report abuse
@ The Truth PaTroll, True Blu & Forgetit87

Yes, I know its a lot of foreigners pointing out the truth and taking the p1ss out of your president - no one likes outsiders doing that.

But go and read the messages boards at home, much, much worse things are said there and on a bigger scale. We can all read it as well you know. So stop wasting your time posting irreverent diversions on here, no one is interested.
52 yankeeboy (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 11:25 am Report abuse
With all of the “emerging” market currencies in free fall, I wonder what the real exchange rate is in BA?
12? 15?
Blue U$ not available
and neither is the gov't rate
I wonder what they're paying in Hotels, Restaurant and Stores

the worm has turned
53 The Truth PaTroll (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 11:39 am Report abuse

You undoubtedly would be one of those to drown in the tsunami because you saw the entire ocean retreat and thought it was only going to be that.

THE REASON emerging currencies are “retreating” is because it is the retreat before the tsunami. The tsunami is the collapse of the worthless US dollar, which is of now worthless and only propped up by market psychology. I told you last year that around late 2014 something catastrophic would happen to your dollar, well it's all on schedule.

Go out 2 kilometers into the ocean floor, the waters are receeding yankee.

I'm heading up a mountain, but yes I'm the fool.

Good luck.
54 Welsh Wizard (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 11:45 am Report abuse
@53 Completely agree. I can see people dumping the US$ on mass and running to the other world reserve currency
55 ElaineB (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 11:48 am Report abuse
@53 I didn't think you wanted to be a part of any financial markets, retreating or advancing? What happened to your isolationist dream?

The problem with the whole emerging markets situation is that people misunderstood it to mean everything would change in a few years. It was originally a prediction for the world markets in 2050. It is a long road ahead for these emerging economies and there is still only one economic superpower. That won't change for some time.
56 The Truth PaTroll (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 11:50 am Report abuse
There is no economic superpower, only a military one, and that will eventually fade since you can't have one without the other.


Who needs currency when there are metals and land?
57 Welsh Wizard (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 11:54 am Report abuse
“Who needs currency when there are metals and land”

The people who can't get the metals out of the land. Afterall, Argentina has metals and land and is desperate for currency
58 The Truth PaTroll (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 11:56 am Report abuse
Currency is a lubricant, totally dispensable if people decide they want another lubricant.

In itself, currency has no value.
59 Welsh Wizard (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 11:58 am Report abuse
Apart from that which people attribute to it. This is the same for pretty much everything though isn't it, so your argument is gash. as usual.
60 The Truth PaTroll (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 12:04 pm Report abuse
false. metals and land can give or produce for you other valuables with it.

Processed, diluted, inked wood pulp DOES NOT.
61 Welsh Wizard (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 12:06 pm Report abuse
Only if you know how to get to them and only ig what you produce is valued by others. Anyway back to the article troll
62 The Truth PaTroll (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 12:13 pm Report abuse
I fail to see the point of this article.

Unlike the UK or the USA which detains journalists without water or food for 9 hours without lawyers or probable cause, nothing of the sort has happened to Lanata. CFK has just as much freedom of speech as he does.

This is not Europe and the USA, where freedom went out the window and now everyone is a terrorist under the law until proven to be a rich-people's serf paying off their gambles with bail-outs. And where everyone is spied upon on phones, drones, email, and security cameras.

What wonderful societies, and this all in the last 15 years. In the late 1990s, you were trully free societies. Look at you now. Think of then and now, if you really do you should be shocked, appalled, and saddened.
63 golfcronie (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 12:13 pm Report abuse
Why not stick to the subject, no-one is disputing the fact that Argentina has enormous resources but will still not tap those resources without US$. Tell me what lubricant would you prefer KY Jelly? You are getting stuffed anyway so you might as well use it.
64 yankeeboy (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 12:24 pm Report abuse
Toby, What a mis-mash of gobbledygook you throw out when you get upset.
You and the conspiracy kooks on the internet are the only ones who are projecting a US economic collapse in 2014.
Do you think that will all change in a year?
You'd better hope it doesn't happen the USA is the only thing protecting Argentina from imminent invasion.
Gads you are pathetic
65 ChrisR (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 12:32 pm Report abuse
52 yankeeboy

Precio Dolar Blue 8.55 / 8.60 13.35 on 2013/08/20.

62 The Truth PaTroll

The Dark Country cannot get oil out of the ground.
66 yankeeboy (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 12:36 pm Report abuse
65. Chris, you can't get the “blue dolar” any longer. Moreno has put the “trees” out of business. That is why I was wondering what the hotels, restaurants and retail stores are offering.
67 bushpilot (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 12:39 pm Report abuse
@64 YB

“is the only thing protecting Argentina from imminent invasion.”

Imminent invasion by whom?
68 Anbar (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 01:15 pm Report abuse
So, to summarise this thread so far:

CFK is as totally corrupt as anybody with common sense suspected anyway.


TrollPatrol and his chums are not doing a very good job of sidetracking people away from this.

CFKs big flounce-about-everything-and-rant has done her reputation even more harm than her exposure as being corrupt..(just like her hubby was)
69 Clyde15 (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 01:24 pm Report abuse
It added that “contrary to some reports, the man was offered legal representation while under examination and a solicitor attended.”

So, from where do you get your information or is it your usual throw away remark without any research to back it up.
70 Klingon (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 02:59 pm Report abuse
@ 66 8.85 is what I am getting today.
I expect it to jump up soon as the strife continues at the casa rosada.
71 Iron Man (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 03:17 pm Report abuse
She looks properly nuts in that photo...
72 Captain Poppy (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 03:23 pm Report abuse
Clyde.....it's a snowball rolling downhill for Argentina kirchnerites and her monkey's trolls that support her. Children like tobi has to say something in feeble attempts to steer the conversation away from her corruption claims that seem to grow every week. Teenagers like tobi have the credibility of an ass pimple as he has never been anywhere he tries to lie about with internet ads.
Kirchner is done.........after the October elections, the once kirchner croonies just might try to salvage their own asses by selling out Christina's. I would not be surprised if after October they turn on her like a shark eating their newborn as they come out.
73 Faz (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 03:36 pm Report abuse
Lololololol etc Tobi the troll makes his last post at 4.20am Mendoza time and his returning post at 12.08pm.

Just enough time for a shift in MacDonalds!

According to him he lives in Mendoza but knows nothing of the geography. He posts a description of a walk through the City centre (probably when his Mum took him for a MacDonalds!)

A complete little tit... In fact, undoubtably a mendacious RG
74 slattzzz (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 03:59 pm Report abuse
@62 Unlike the UK or the USA which detains journalists without water or food for 9 hours without lawyers or probable cause, nothing of the sort has happened to Lanata. CFK has just as much freedom of speech as he does.
NUMBNUTS He wasn't a journalist he was the boyfriend of a journalist (guardian say no more) that by the way was linked to the knob that released secret details all over the world, anyway he'd have enjoyed the personal search anyway. If he had nothing to hide what's the problem, don't you question people entering and leaving your country ie Canada
75 Hektor (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 04:14 pm Report abuse
Where is the story here? This is yet another manufactured story by the Group Clarin and La Nacion. Jorge Lanata, a corrupt reporter that works for the group Clarin, is the one who broke the story. He asserted that the plane carrying Cristina, stopped in Seychelles for 2 1/2 days. He then retracted his original assertion, and confirmed that the plane stopped over for 13 hours.

According to IATA rules, the same crew cannot pilot the plane for more than 8 consecutive hours and needs to rest from 9 to 12 hours, depending the length of the following leg. In this case and since the following leg was 7 1/2 hours, it necessitated a 12 hours rest. There was no second crew sent by the English company that chartered the plane to Argentina, in Seychelles. A replacement crew was then sent to South Africa.

Again, where is the story? Seychelles is half way between Vietnam and the technical stop in South Africa. Maybe they stopped in South Africa to smuggle diamonds and a couple of lions

76 Anglotino (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 05:10 pm Report abuse
Yes Hektor. There is no story. Stick your head back in the sand because government corruption doesn't exist in Argentina.

So guards the guardians in Argentina?

Seems no one does.
77 Think (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 05:25 pm Report abuse
And yet another example of “Trash Journalism” from Mr Lanata (and MercoPress)……..

Article says…:
”President Cristina Fernandez and her non disclosed TWO-DAY visit last January to the Seychelles….”

I say….:
???...??? ” TWO-DAY visit” ???...???

Re-reading some of the many newspapers that reported President Cristina Fernandez trip to Viet-Nam, one can read that….:
1) Her plane took off from Hanoi on the 21 of January 2013 at ~10:30 AM (Local Argentinean Time)….
2) The same plane landed at Buenos Aires Wednesday, 23 of January 2013 at ~05:30 AM (Local Argentinean Time)….
3) That gives a grand total of 43 hours for the entire trip from Hanoi to Buenos Aires…..
4) Can anybody tell me how the heck did President Cristina Fernandez managed to stay TWO-DAYS in the Seychelles ???
78 bushpilot (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 05:31 pm Report abuse
@75 Hektor

“The 48 hours was confirmed in the official Gazette with details of the stops and time. ”

“He then retracted his original assertion, and confirmed that the plane stopped over for 13 hours.”

Which is it, 13 hours in the Seychelles, or 48?
79 slattzzz (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 06:12 pm Report abuse
who fookin cares only bad thing is it didn't ditch in the SA
80 Hektor (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 06:32 pm Report abuse
@78 Bushpilot

Thanks for your response.

It was a 13 hours stop in the Seychelles and not even in the capital city of Victoria.

81 bushpilot (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 07:54 pm Report abuse
Did Jorge Lanata really retract his report?

Where was this retraction by Jorge Lanata reported?
82 The Truth PaTroll (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 10:04 pm Report abuse
So now I'm posting at 3:20 london time 4:20 Milan time to furthe decoy you all, especially Faz.

Hahahaha, you people have been seeing me even in your soup. How many of you have I seen writing that you think I'm some multitude of other posters (reality is I only have one nick in this forum at any one time), and how many times have you wondered of my race, or my whereabouts. All those questions tell me I have you all so confused you don't even know if your heads are spinning.

Remember, when you take a step forward, I already am three steps ahead of having been one step behind you... after I already had come back on the road you are just now taking.

Hope that didn't make all your heads spin again.

83 Anglotino (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 10:42 pm Report abuse

You are in Mendoza.
You are the child of European immigrants to Argentina.
You are good with languages.
You attend university.
You are poor.
You have never left Argentina.
You are racist.

But most importantly:
You can't argue.
You have difficulty understanding people.
You run away when your posts are refuted.

You are quite frankly boring.

No head spinning or confusion.
You are one of the most consistent posters on here.
84 The Chilean perspective (#) Aug 20th, 2013 - 10:46 pm Report abuse
I love watching Lanata's show, it's actually very funny and informative.
I am curious however as to why the opposition legislators do not stand up to the CFK regime. Don't get me wrong I rather like CFK and the way she is systematically destroying Argentina, but I find it strange that there isn't an organized concentrated effort by the opposition, or have they been bought off as well?
85 Frank (#) Aug 21st, 2013 - 12:10 am Report abuse
@83 Anglotino.... I just received my PV ... have you seen the length of the upper paper... damn near a metre long.

Having a bit of a prob choosing between the sex party which sounds like fun and the stable population lot which could be fun if approached in the right way. No sign of any peronistas or raving loonies.... hang on... aren't they one and the same?
86 Anglotino (#) Aug 21st, 2013 - 12:27 am Report abuse
@85 Frank

LOL. I know supposedly it is a doozy this time for all states. It is the funniest non-standard piece of paper I have ever used. You sorta gotta roll it up to put it in the box.

I worked at the last federal election in a polling place and you should have seen what some people wrote on their white sheet. One took the time to put happy or sad faces in ALL the boxes - that is dedication.

I love voting. When I lived in Werribee I would go down with my brothers and we'd all get a sausage from the primary school sausage sizzle.

Supposedly Julian Assange's name is on there too.

But I will probably be a little lazy and number above the line unless I am a little bored and then I'll go all out.

Best thing is that the day will be pretty boring. No La Campora thugs telling me how to vote. No shootings. No violence. No vote rigging.

And I think we both know the outcome that will be announced about 8.30pm.
87 Troy Tempest (#) Aug 21st, 2013 - 01:12 am Report abuse

88 Hektor (#) Aug 21st, 2013 - 01:22 am Report abuse
@81 Bushpilot

Yes, in Telam:


Even La Nacion is only talking about a 13 hour stop. Furthermore, the story is no longer news in Argentina and was basically dropped by Mercopress; they should be congratulated for it.

89 Frank (#) Aug 21st, 2013 - 01:30 am Report abuse
@86... I always go PV..... vote from the comfort of my living room at Casa Franko...
Spent last night near tula.... broady at 0800... nice and sunny unlike yesdees squalls... but ran into fog north of yourowah ... bort some tuker at wratta and home for lunch.

Yoohooo 'True Blue'.... where are you? cooooooeeeee etc
90 Anglotino (#) Aug 21st, 2013 - 04:06 am Report abuse

LOL. I don't even bother with True Blue anymore. He was obviously created to chase me and I've grown bored once I proved he wasn't an Aussie. There is nothing to be gained by any future interaction. He will eventually chase someone else.

Me old fart fills out all his boxes early not pv though.

Haven't been yourowah since before the doolhoom. But always stopped for a dogs eye in Purpleton. But have a wang friend, I whacked a bivvy under her old lady's hills and got a choc beelbee from the bunny.. Bloody already cold time of the year. Need a nice thick swaag. Don't go Lehlanhd Bros as much as I'd enjoy mildew quite a bit but out sail way is pretty lush. I grew up weegen but born in Lion's territory. Old Lion's not bear”lion. Which brings me to religion. Me old fart is scragha born and stuck on. I was but now follow the herd.

10 down the tula and you coulda cracked a coldie at chez anglotino.

So nice to see a real true blue on here.
91 Clyde15 (#) Aug 21st, 2013 - 06:52 am Report abuse
A coldie....emma chizzit.? Strine talk !
92 Anglotino (#) Aug 21st, 2013 - 10:15 am Report abuse
Hehe Clyde15! It's true, coldie, even if a little stereotypical is so common they named a beer after it.

It's a small world when someone on here is only 10 mins from your door.

Frank really is a true blue even though I never doubted it. You can't fake that knowledge because you can't look that stuff up. Whoever decided to create True Blue and Heisenbergcontext really barked up the wrong tree. But with Think pretending to be McDoD and Stevie pretending to live in Uruguay; someone thought it was that easy to emulate an Aussie.
93 axel arg (#) Aug 21st, 2013 - 10:42 am Report abuse
Any serious journalist would never separate the constant mediatic operations made by lanata in his sunday decadent show, from the inminent judge by the supreme court in relation to the broadcast law.
It's not necesary to be a fanatic kirchnerist in order to realise that all what clarin and it's journalist publish is hightly arguable, especially when many of the lies published by that group, are usually refuted with different prooves, beside, it's more than obvious that there is a great push of power between c. f. k's government and that mediatic group since 2008. Anyway, i have no doubt that although many detractors of kirchnerism watch lanata's programme, they actually don't believe what that hypocrite says. People aren't stupid, they just see it because lanata tells what they want to hear.
On the other hand, mercopress and all the rest of the forists in this website should know that in the mainland we have other journalists who are also detractors of kirchnerism, but who are much more serious than a rented cretin like jorge lanata, people like maria o' donnell, martin sivak, graciela mochkovsky, are journalists who aren't pro kirchnerist, but i have a great intellectual respect for them, because beyond i don't agree on what they think about kirchnerism, they are people who do their job seriouslly, and don't recur to clarin's mediatic operations in order to criticise a government that they don't like, They deserve much more to be dated than a hypocrite like lanata, who just makes mediatic operations agains c. f. k's government, but never says a word about the corruption cases that involve the politic partners of the clarin group.
94 Captain Poppy (#) Aug 21st, 2013 - 11:59 am Report abuse
I can understand the politicians that support Kirchner, their part of the pervasive political corruption. I can understand the poor as they are tossed the meager bread crumbs of 12 pesos a day so they do not have to work and are no longer classed as poor by Indec. I can even understand the la campora trolls; they are nothing more than political mercenaries being paid thugs and enforcers of kirchnerites. But if you are not a crony that is part of Argentina's problem, or the indigent class, or even the la campora mercenaries....what are you if you support a Kirchner? Certainly not the working class, they hate her. Anyone that believes that Kirchner’s did well for Argentina is a moron, fool or an idiot....OR....a crony, indigent and a la campora mercy......but is there a difference?
The single most individual currently destroying Argentina is Kicillof. He so desperately seeks recognition as an economist at the expense of his experimental concepts that are currently destroying Argentina. Heterodoxy economics……..what a winner.

Perhaps in October after FvP losses mount and the opposition push their weight around, maybe they can build the momentum and at the very least impeach the current cast and crew that have systemically over the past decade, raped, pillaged and looted Argentina for personal gain…..and at the most…….Mussolini all the remaining Kirchner’s and associates for the good of Argentina
95 ChrisR (#) Aug 21st, 2013 - 12:37 pm Report abuse

The bank could even have brought them to the plane for added secrecy, you argie idiots.
96 Troy Tempest (#) Aug 21st, 2013 - 12:52 pm Report abuse
93 Axel

“ They deserve much more to be dated than a hypocrite like lanata, who just makes mediatic operations agains c. f. k's government, but never says a word about the corruption cases that involve the politic partners of the clarin group.”


While Lanata conducts an exposé of CFK and the Kirchnerites, he is NOT obligated to criticise himself and Clarin.
(Does CFK or Timerman criticise themselves at the same time they are condemning Britain - no, it's silly)

CFK's government has a huge legal, media, and propaganda apparatus to defend themselves or retaliate.
97 MagnusMaster (#) Aug 21st, 2013 - 12:58 pm Report abuse
@84 “I am curious however as to why the opposition legislators do not stand up to the CFK regime”

You see, the opposition legistators did stand up to CFK, but they were too weak and divided to stop CFK. When the opposition got the mayority in congress in 2009, they could barely slow down the government and CFK ruled by decree anyway. Back then the opposition was just Radicals, Socialists and fringe Peronists with no real power.
After these elections the “opposition” will be mostly the same who have supported the Kirchners for a decade, and CFK will be replaced by Massa.
Keep in mind that the only thing left to democracy in Argentina is the result of the power struggle within Peronists. All the important stuff is under the control of the Peronists, and it´s the leader of the Peronists who rules over the country. It´s a one-party “democracy” disguised very well as a western democracy.
98 Simon68 (#) Aug 21st, 2013 - 01:45 pm Report abuse
Axel: You said: “... many detractors of kirchnerism watch lanata's programme, they actually don't believe what that hypocrite says. People aren't stupid, they just see it because lanata tells what they want to hear...”

Make up your mind, either we don't believe what Lanata says or Lanata tells us what we want to hear!!!!!!!!

You can't have it both ways, its one or the other!!!!!!!!!
99 Captain Poppy (#) Aug 21st, 2013 - 03:05 pm Report abuse
Simon.......me thinks you put axel in a conundrum.....lol
100 yankeeboy (#) Aug 21st, 2013 - 03:23 pm Report abuse
Axel is too stupid to be in a conundrum. He is back to being the dumbest poster on this board.
101 Captain Poppy (#) Aug 21st, 2013 - 03:50 pm Report abuse
Yankee he talks like he is reading a script written by a moron from Moron, Argentina (go figure, there really is a Moron, Argentina). Axel thinks he is intelligent and objective yet he never supports his case with evidence. And more so often contradicts himself as Simon pointed out. I think he fails to understand the any media's role is to be the check in the balance of government.
I just found this out. I have relatives visiting in October and they cannot vote because they did not have a foreign address to report in April....can you believe that? No early votes or absentee ballots because they did not know they were visiting in April....sucks for them.
102 yankeeboy (#) Aug 21st, 2013 - 05:41 pm Report abuse
All the Rgtrolls think their posts are intelligent, no matter how many times they are proven wrong, not just a little wrong but really really wrong and they keep posting the same crap over and over again.
The education system in Argentina must suck.
None of them can write a coherent sentence or come up with a logical argument.
Their posts are all a hopin and a wishin with no facts.
I sometimes think the Rgtolls are here just to throw off the conversations,
it is statistically impossible for that many people to be that dumb in one country.
Simple as that
103 Troy Tempest (#) Aug 21st, 2013 - 07:22 pm Report abuse

“I sometimes think the Rgtolls are here just to throw off the conversations,”

Spot on, and accordingly, they only get the respect they deserve.
104 Captain Poppy (#) Aug 22nd, 2013 - 05:39 am Report abuse
What's amazing is how many persona's they have. Yet they think no one can tell who they are.........like voice and his many persona's. One that slipped and called me Pops and challenged him and he disappeared until today......lol. I think his latest was suppose to be a Brazilian.
105 axel arg (#) Aug 22nd, 2013 - 07:41 am Report abuse
TROY TOMPEST: I have nothing against detractors of kirchnerism, what i criticise are the different mediatic operations made by clarin group against c. f. k's government, you don't need to be a fanatic kirchnerist in order to realise that what that group says is hightly arguable, because many of the lies it publishes are often refuted with prooves in different moments, in fact in this report you have some.
CAPTAIN POPPY: You are making a wrong interpretation of my posture, firstly, i have never believed in objetivity or neutrality, i just believe in intellectual honesty, if i didn't have enough intellectual honesty, which is necesary in order to discuss about something so complicated like politic, then i would never recognize the negative aspects of c. f k's government, and i have always been disposed to discuss openly about them, however my tolerance has a limit when i see the usuall lack of respect, or underestimation, or hypocresy that some people express in relation to what i say in my comments, or in relation to all those reports which refer to argentina's situation in different aspects, in fact i have always explained why i think that this website sometimes publishes reports which are too partial. In this article you have more prooves about clarin's lies, the problem is that some people understand just what they want.
It's not necesary to be a fanatic kirchnerist in orde to realise that clarin is not in absolut a serious source of information.
106 Captain Poppy (#) Aug 22nd, 2013 - 12:28 pm Report abuse
I do not believe I do. If you do not believe in neutrality or objectivity, then why make the statement:

“lanata, who just makes mediatic operations agains c. f. k's government, but never says a word about the corruption cases that involve the politic partners of the clarin group”.

That is a complaint of lacking impartiality. Being the head of state, that is where all journalists covering politics should want to focus on, not the pissants. You really need to support you claims of “proof of lies”.
107 Simon68 (#) Aug 22nd, 2013 - 12:53 pm Report abuse
105 axel arg (#)
Aug 22nd, 2013 - 07:41 am

If as you say you believe in intellectual honesty, you should aplaud Jorge Lanata and his investigation of CFK's visit to the Seychelles!!!!!!

He has reported exactly what occurred:

1) CFK visited the Seychelles.

2) The decree published in the “Boletin Oficial” put the date of the visit as 21/01 to 23/01.

3) The government never informed Congress of what the visit was about.

In answer to Lanata's questioning during his programme, the “Casa Rosada” gave three different answers to what the visit was about:

1) Technical stop.

2) Mandatory crew rest.

3) Fueling stop.

This makes one wonder if the “Casa Rosada” is telling the truth!!!!!!!

On top of the three versions of the reasons for the visit, the government calls Lanata a “mediatic assasin” and a “demon” which seems a little exagerated ashe only told the exact truth about what he could find out about a government action that WE ALL PAID FOR!!!!!!!!!!!
108 axel arg (#) Aug 23rd, 2013 - 10:38 am Report abuse
You both aren't being serious, are you?, the fact that i don't believe in neutrality, doesn't mean that i have to believe clarin's lies, i'm not stupid, although some of you think the contrary. Nobody is objetive, everybody deffend ideas, although some hypocrites prefer repeating that they are objetive.
You don't need to be kirchnerist activist in order to realise that clarin often publishes lies, which are usually refuted with prooves, as the government did in it's last report. It's not serious to use lanata's decadent show in order to criticise c. f. k's government, i dated other journalists who are also detractors of kirchnerism, but who are much more serious than a rented cretin like lanata.
I will always be disposed to discuss about the negative aspects of c. f. k's government, because althouh i'm a kirchnerist activist, i'm not stupid and i recognize that her government commited mistakes too, but i won't never use clarin as a source of information because i'm a serious person. If c. f. k, or any other functionary commited corruption cases, they must be judged and sentenced, however beyond what justice determines, it won't invalid the fact that kirchnerism made lot in order to improve the social situation of millions of workers, I DEFFEND IDEAS, and all what kirchnerism made on behalf of workers must continue in the future, beyond who wins the different presidential elections, i think i have been clear, haven't i?.
109 Captain Poppy (#) Aug 23rd, 2013 - 12:32 pm Report abuse
You continue saying “published lies and refuted with proof”, yet you produce nothing to support that statement?.......why?
You are merely stating your personal opinion and claiming that as fact and it is not factual.
You call one a serious journalist and another not so....that is OPINION....or a fact based on your subjective standards.
As for mistakes.....your government and your idol, Kirchner, both, committed crimes......the largest is robbing investors......though they assumed the risk, it destroyed your country.
The abusive land deals down south was deplorable. She does not deserve to breath. Her expropriations....the latest of Latam Air.....right after the renovated the hanger, they just steal businesses when they think they can gain the most.
110 axel arg (#) Aug 25th, 2013 - 05:13 pm Report abuse
I have no problem in discussing with detractors of kirchnerism, but it's very difficult talk to rectionary people like you.
Anyway, when i say that clarin's lies are often refuted with prooves, you just have to read the government's report where it rejected lanata's lies.
On the other hand, in my different comments, i gave explanations about clarin's lies, the problem is that some people like you understand just what they want.
Anyway i'll tell you about some other lies published by clarin, so you can have more prooves, for example, c.f. k never said that people must be affraid of her, like clarin publsihed, she just made an ironic comment, because she refered to a judge who was involved in a corruption case. Beside, indec never said that people can eat with 6 pesos, like clarin published, it just refered to the craving of indigent people, but clarin committed a shameful omission.
On the other hand, lanata presented in his decadent show that inca just gave subsides to artists who are pro kirchnerits, which is absolutly false, because even producers linked to clarin received subsides for making films, like polka. Beside, lanata made reports which refered to soposed corruption cases,which were refuted with prooves, do you want more examples?.
111 Captain Poppy (#) Aug 25th, 2013 - 08:05 pm Report abuse
Of course she never said that just like she never said pork is good for sex. Because the government refuted it.....it must be true. You are such a reactionist....over reacting I might add. As well your are extremely judgemental with opinion based ideals. Facts are black and white.....opinions are just that and there are no right or wrong in opinions........yet you react to them as such.....as in calling Elaine's assessment mediocre....which of course is merely your opinion and not a fact. You believe cfk and the government, I almost feel sorry for you when you wake up from the cool aid stuper and start suffering the hang over.
112 axel arg (#) Aug 26th, 2013 - 12:03 pm Report abuse
CAPTAIN: As you can see, i wasn't wrong when i said that it's too difficult to talk to reactionary people like you. The day you learn to have enough intellectual honesty, which is necesary to talk about politic, then we can talk, meantime, ignore my comments please, because i don't like wasting my time with reactionary people. You wanted more prooves, and i gave them to you, anyway, even in that way, it was a waste of time to discuss with you, but despite, i'm sure there are other detractors of kirchnerism in this forum who make relevant analysis, and it'll be interesting to talk to them.
113 Troy Tempest (#) Aug 26th, 2013 - 04:27 pm Report abuse
lanata made reports which refered to soposed corruption cases,which were refuted with prooves,,“

I don't think anybody knows what ”prooves“ you are making reference to.

We did not see any.
Until you show us the prooves and provide links to credible sources to back them up, you are just telling a story. Show us a fact or two, please.

As a ”teacher”, you should know this.
Did you have to provide sources and proof of facts when you researched and wrote papers at University??

Think of this as the same process, otherwise it looks like you are making it up.
114 ChrisR (#) Aug 26th, 2013 - 05:24 pm Report abuse
113 Troy Tempest
“Did you have to provide sources and proof of facts when you researched and wrote papers at University??”

I will give you ONE guess.

Yes, you are correct!
115 Troy Tempest (#) Aug 27th, 2013 - 01:00 am Report abuse
LOL !!
116 Captain Poppy (#) Aug 27th, 2013 - 05:09 am Report abuse
Troy.....talking to axel is tantamount to talking to an intellectual wall.....it's always a one way conversation. These RG's think very highly of themselves. And I agree.......I would love seeing ANY bit of his “prooves” also. Such intellectual honesty he has, yet he cannot provide these 'prooves“ he speaks of. I think the ”prooves” are suppose to be his shallow, unsubstantiated words and the kirchner regime calling them lies.
117 axel arg (#) Aug 27th, 2013 - 07:34 am Report abuse
In my comment 110 i tell about the the lies published in clarin and in lanata's programme, beside, i told also what finally happened in reality.
On the other hand, in the report published by the government, not only rejected it lanata's mediatic operation, but also told it what really happened in reality. Some people accuse me of not giving prooves, however in all my opinions i told about the omissions committed in the press, including in mercopress.
118 Troy Tempest (#) Aug 27th, 2013 - 08:49 am Report abuse

You can tell us whatever you like - it is not a “proove” unless you show us articles written by reputable INDEPENDENT authorities or observers.

A statement released by your government saying that they committed no crimes and did not lie, means nothing.
119 Captain Poppy (#) Aug 27th, 2013 - 10:37 am Report abuse
Axel the one proove(sic)-proof you provided is the truth that you do not believe in being objective nor neutral. Of the so called truths you provided, none are objective nor neutral, only based on your simple words and a kirchner's regime report refuting them. That is not factual.....and why should we believe you? Because you say so?
Proof must be an undisputable fact concurred by all parties and they are not.
And really, you are making us all nauseous with this “intellectual honest” pony show. Do us all a favor and humor us and define it.....ok? Because it is quite obvious that your definitions are different than a normal, educated and prudent person.....especially when it comes to “prooves” (proofs)

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