Friday, January 3rd 2014 - 23:41 UTC

Malvinas: Argentina calls UK a lion that 'no longer frightens' and insists on dialogue

In a long statement recalling the 181st anniversary of the 'usurpation of our Malvinas, South Georgia, South Sandwich Islands and the adjoining maritime spaces' (almost three million square kilometers) the Argentine Foreign ministry contrasts Buenos Aires peaceful, dialogue attitude with the verbal aggressiveness from British officials when referring to the Malvinas issue.

The release came from Foreign minister Hector Timerman ministry and Daniel Filmus  (L) new Malvinas issue Secretariat

 The release accuses the UK of ignoring UN resolutions, International Law and growing world public opinion favorable to Argentina and sovereignty negotiations, which is the best evidence that in the Malvinas issue, “the lion still roars but no longer frightens”.

There is also a direct attack on Prime Minister David Cameron arguing that in one paragraph of his Xmas message to the Falklands, the head of government specifically talks about the military defense of the Islands, “forgetting the message of peace of such a celebration”.

Argentina claims that on 3 January 1833 British forces ousted an Argentine settlement and have since occupied the Falklands under a colonial regime with an implanted population, and with no legal or historic rights to justify such occupation affecting the country's territorial integrity.

There is a full paragraph dedicated to downgrade last March 'wrongly named' referendum in the Falklands when an overwhelming majority voted to remain a British Overseas Territory, arguing that the event was in violation of UN resolutions and insisting the principle of self determination does not apply to the Malvinas issue.

“The lack or arguments and broad support to Argentina's right to territorial integrity incites the UK to act and express with an undignified aggressiveness for a nuclear power that is also a permanent member of the UN Security Council. Such conduct debilitates the international community attempts for all countries to accept UN decisions to ensure the peaceful resolution of conflicts. UK lacks moral authority on this issue since it is the country that has most times ignored UN decisions, particularly those referred to ending with colonialism”.

It then quotes an editorial from The Times, in 1842, when the Argentine representative in London apparently made a new request to hold talks on the Malvinas issue: “We don't know what to admire most, if the insolence from the South American or the resignation from Her Majesty's minister who didn't kick him down the stairs”.

The release then lists all the events, supports, conferences, resolutions, historic pamphlets, solidarity groups and efforts displayed by Argentine diplomacy and by Argentine lawmakers in favor of the Malvinas issue during the last twelve months. Plus underlining all the measures dictated under Argentine law to try and prevent the Falklands from developing its own oil and gas industry.

This was completed with the creation of a Secretariat dedicated exclusively to the Malvinas issue, responsible for coordination of all efforts to peacefully recover the Islands, in accordance to the Argentine constitution through dialogue and bilateral negotiations between Argentina and the UK, and it could be added, to he headed by former Senator Daniel Filmus who lost his bench in the October mid-term election.

Finally to the verbal and military threats from the colonial power Argentina will continue demanding the compliance with International Law and UN resolutions, “thus showing that the UK refusal to sit at a negotiations table is the best evidence that regarding the Malvinas issue, the lion roars, but no longer frightens”.

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1 darragh (#) Jan 03rd, 2014 - 11:49 pm Report abuse
Boringggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg
2 Lord Ton (#) Jan 03rd, 2014 - 11:55 pm Report abuse
But then - falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2014/01/03/happy-anniversary/
3 torysocialist (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 12:12 am Report abuse
If your not frightened of us, feel free to try invading again... We may not be overly keen on fighting in Afghanistan, but just see what happens if you attack British territory.
4 Escoses Doido (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 12:13 am Report abuse
Have to agree with darragh- Everything argentina says is just repetitive boring shite.

Argentinians today could be compered to North Koreans.

Isolated brainwashed people.

Not all, but the majority of them for sure.
5 HansNiesund (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 12:15 am Report abuse
So here he is again snapping his braces, and parping on his klaxon, and we're supposed to believe at a) he's a diplomat and b) he just wants to negotiate something from us.

It's all very entertaining, and quite remarkable that anybody should fall for it, even within Argentina.

But surely the time has come for somebody to tip a bucket of cold water down his trousers?
6 Xect (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 12:36 am Report abuse
Looks like the Argentine government once more prefers to spend its time propagating nonsense rather than address the severe problems it has in its country. You know you're desperate when you start quoting newspapers and making stuff up about the UK ignoring resolutions whilst the head of the UN states very clearly the UK is not in breach of a single resolution.

And if that isn't bad enough the only resolution broken in the past 50 years was the one the Argentine's broke with the illegal invasion.

Oh the hilarity!
7 Joe Bloggs (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 12:37 am Report abuse
Is it that time of the year again already?
8 Leiard (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 01:09 am Report abuse
Other quotes include

“The Falklands referendum - ”a misnomer“, he said - was a violation of such UN resolutions which did not afford the islanders the right to self-determination. ”

Britain had “no moral authority” when it came to ending colonialism, Mr Timerman said, claiming it was the country that had most often ignored UN rulings.

“He accused Britain of ”an escalation of verbal attacks“ on Argentina during a year in which it also ”issued threats to several independent countries“ - notably Syria. ”
9 brasherboot (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 01:32 am Report abuse
The UK“ no longer frightens” Argentina?

Great! Invade our islands then I dare you.
10 ynsere (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 02:22 am Report abuse
Don't the Argentine Foreign Ministry realise they're repeating the very words said by one Leopoldo Fortunato Galtieri 30-odd years ago, just before he sent hundreds of his countrymen to their death?
11 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 02:29 am Report abuse
Hector understands the psychology of prestige, but they have really not dared to do anything Britain need respond to.

Spain on the other hand, with their illegal fishing and Garda incursions, firing upon Gib. civilians, and illegal border hold ups, that is provocation UK needs to respond to.

I can see why they don't, though. With Spain in crisis, it would be a great national unifying issue were a foreign power to retaliate to Spain by military force.
Just what Rajoy needs.

Perhaps the UK should start supporting the Catalonians at the UN, in their fight for a Referendum and Self Determination.
12 jwolf (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 03:37 am Report abuse
What are the Argentines waiting for then? Come pet the nice kitty.......
13 reality check (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 04:53 am Report abuse
Oh look, Titman brought his MoM with him!

This must be his first official outing since they created the job for him.
14 malicious bloke (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 05:31 am Report abuse
And hilarity ensues.
15 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 05:32 am Report abuse
12 jwolf

Brit answer to your question:
“Argentina is playing a waiting game, they know that when UK has a majority African, Pakistani, East European... population, in 30/40 years, it will hold no allegiance to a few hundred islanders of British descent in South Atlantic. They will then take it. Britain will have no Navy by then anyway”

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/10549909/The-lion-roars-but-does-not-inspire-fear-Argentina-tells-Britain.html
16 jwolf (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 06:14 am Report abuse
@15

Take it? As in by force? Like they took the Patagonian Indians' lands by force? Sounds a little like trying to be a colonial power or something. By the way, do you have a crystal ball for what Argentina will look like in 30-40 years as well? That would be interesting.....
17 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 06:24 am Report abuse
16 jwolf
We will be just fine, sorry but some of your countrymen do not think the same way about your European island.

”We need The Falklands in case we are driven out of the UK By the ImmiGRANTS!!
18 Lord Ton (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 06:32 am Report abuse
VCiolation of Resolutions?? But the Secretary-General of the UN confirmed in November 2012 that the UK is NOT in breach of any relevant UN Resolutions.

Perhaps we are only in breach of IRRELEVANT ones :-)
19 Gordo1 (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 06:40 am Report abuse
Marcos Alejandro - the lies and fairy stories of Argentina are leading them to a disaster. The world is laughing at la Kretina and Timerman when clearly Argentina is in a mess and this is just another distraction.

www.falklandshistory.org/false-falklands-history.pdf
20 Mr Ed (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 06:41 am Report abuse
This has nothing to do with more price controls. en.mercopress.com/2014/01/03/cristina-fernandez-administration-launches-yet-another-price-control-program#comment296213

Perhaps a naval blockade is in order, to ensure that they realise their peril.
21 Heisenbergcontext (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 06:50 am Report abuse
@15 Marcos

30/40 years - do you reckon Argentina will have fixed it's power supply issues by then? If the U.K. is an impotent lion what does that make Argentina? A rodent with laryngitis? The mouse that lost it's squeak?

In 30/40 years if there is any justice the members of your current govt will either be deceased or disgraced, the names Timmerman and Kirchner consigned to the dustbin of history. Where they belong.
22 Gordo1 (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 06:58 am Report abuse
The Arana Southern Treaty, ratified in 1850 by Argentina and the UK, clearly settled the matter of the Falklands/Malvinas once and for all. In this treaty Argentina tacitly recognised British sovereignty over the archipelago.

Case closed!
23 reality check (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 07:35 am Report abuse
I do not think HMG gives a flying fig, whether or not a bully is frightened Titman.

Just keep on bleating and whinging as usual, that will do nicely.
24 lsolde (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 07:41 am Report abuse
Usual Argentine hot air,
Not to be taken too seriously as its all lies anyway.
Oh, you're frightened of us all right! Durn shakin' in ye boots!
You would invade our land otherwise.
25 Evil Colonialist Pirate (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 07:42 am Report abuse
As opposed to Argentina, the mewling kitten or Argentina, the tantrum-prone toddler.
26 Britworker (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 08:48 am Report abuse
Words words words, they mean nothing. If we don't frighten them, why don't they just take them?
27 GeoffWard2 (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 09:01 am Report abuse
Lions are pretty placid - even lazy - things
... until they hunt and fight.
Then there's running and screaming.

Its no good just putting your hands up
... much better to try and run faster than the lion.
Useless really.
Things get very red in tooth and claw,
very quickly.

Maybe that's why Britain took the lion as its defining symbology.
28 Faz (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 09:26 am Report abuse
Gollum, Gollum, sssss..., I wants it, I must have it, my preciousssss, Nasty British, last time we tried to get it, nassty British soldiers kicked uss, nasty Ghurkas with big knifes chased us and we ran away. Ssssss.

Repetitive load of bollocks. Now they are down to one troll , Marcos, shouts abuse and waggles his finger, big pussy.
29 HansNiesund (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 09:39 am Report abuse
This is just the way you'd expect the responsible Foreign Minister of a mature, serious, country wishing to embark upon peaceful negotiations to behave.

It would surely be churlish and uncharitable to suggest that the only purposes of this attempt to confuse activity with productivity are to agitate the gullible within Argentina (enter on cue Marcos Alejandro), and to defend the bold Hector from former Senator Fibmuch's encroachment on his job.
30 Steveu (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 10:13 am Report abuse
A sight for sore eyes - the RAF F35B carrier trials (which seem to be going very well) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYy0XR6ESkM

Better get that invasion in quick. Oh wait, you haven't got a functioning air force and your ships “right themselves” in dock
31 Stevie (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 10:24 am Report abuse
A sea lion, I'd say...

Ugh ugh!! *clap clap*

We all know the huevos Ingleses only are good for attacking women, children and bombing countries with drones...

The only roar you'll even hear is when big Brother enters through the back door...
32 Islander1 (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 10:28 am Report abuse
Hey Marcos Old Xhap- we havent had such a good laugh for ages! Nice and sunny here today so many of us will be sitting in the sun this afternoon having a beer or two and having a damn good laugh at the total utter stupid verbal diarrohea that continues to flow fron idiots like you and buffoons like your Govt.
Meanwhile our little country continues to grow- expand - and develop.
33 Redrow (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 10:28 am Report abuse
Happy new year Stevie, same tired slogans as the old one it would seem.
34 Briton (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 10:30 am Report abuse
Argentina calls UK a lion that 'no longer frightens'

So attack them then [no]
Invade the islands [no]
Sink the royal navy [no]
Defeat the RAF [ no ]
Defeat the British army then [ no ]
Challenge the British in open combat, [ no ]
Then take to the bloody ICJ [ no ]

Why ever not ???????????????????????

Because it is CFK that is FRIGHTEND lolol
All mouth and no backbone ..
.
35 Stevie (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 10:32 am Report abuse
Happy new year Redrow!
You've been on your record for 30 now, I'm sure you wont mind...

;)
36 Martin Woodhead (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 10:40 am Report abuse
+31 quite possibly an old sea lion fat lazy likes nothing better to do than lie about dreaming but stevie I wouldnt get to close those teeth its still got left are more than enough to leaveyou a bloody mess.
So we are going to carry on dozingon the beach safe in the knowledge the best you can do is drown in a sea kayak off your own course.
Dialouge requires you to actually offer something if you were rich democratic and well won the islanders might be intrested.
Unfortualty you are poor and badly run bit like a poor ugly stupid man wanting to date a super model not happening
37 Stevie (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 10:45 am Report abuse
Tic tac, tic tac
All respect to the islanders, but soon it will be time for the Brits to go home, accompanied by those Islanders that considers themselves Brits.

I will stand in front line defending the Islanders right to their Islands...
38 Briton (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 10:45 am Report abuse
Argentina says..

to the verbal and military threats from the colonial power Argentina will continue demanding the compliance with International Law and UN resolutions

We say,

It is you that started it,
You that is threatening,
You that is breaking all the rule,

Hypercrits..

.
39 copland (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 11:29 am Report abuse
I wonder what just one type 45 destroyer could do to Buenos Aires?
Oh! and aren't there some British nuclear powered submarines that can do lots of nasty things too. Don't even think about it Argies!
40 Room101 (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 11:35 am Report abuse
The object of this exercise by the Argentine propaganda machine is to divert attention away from very serious internal problems.
41 lsolde (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 12:02 pm Report abuse
“lnsists”-another favourite Argentine word.
42 Islander1 (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 12:04 pm Report abuse
Sie - so glad you agree to stand by Islanders rights to our Islands - You may have noticed that a recent suvey confirmed that the majority of us born or longterm Islands residents feel we are FIRSTLY - Islanders.
British by allegiance as we need to belong to somebody of value that respecvt the principles of human rights and out heritage and traditions- threatened as we are by a noisy bully that has no respect for these values.
Dont try and tell me that Argentina has no Spanish traditions in the country?!!!!!
43 GFace (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 12:44 pm Report abuse
Well the UK may be a lion that “no longer frightens” BUT this February Timermam sure has hell demonstrated that 2 (TWO!) democratically elected representatives of 3 (THREE) thousand (just 3, THREEm zeros after the first number 3) self-determining people, were enough to scare the poop out of him, and make him turn and run away like the coward he is from hosted and catered talks AND the same UN resolutions he always lies about.

How weak, sniveling and small do you have to be for a representative of 43 million (that's SIX zeros, so what IS there to be afraid of?) to fear the words and even sight of just 2 of 3000? Not to mention the fact that those naughty 3000 VOTED once again to say “NO!” to that 43 million “strong” country. And you know what? Golly gee whiz, no one stopped them... no one sent in a task force to teach those rebels and international law-breakers a lesson, and heck they can even visit countries in South America who are a-gazillion (add as many zeros as you please, ironic that!) percent behind Argentina's “right” to stand on their faces -- and they dare do it with absolute impunity from those so-called supportive countires.

And how much of a stupid gullible bleating Malvanazi do you have to be to swallow down and praise such sniveling cowardice and weakness like a carton of chunky milk? Oh... Hi, Marcus!

ICJ, anytime, you pathetic sissies. That is if you have the guts, after all, she's only a ittle-wittle cutsey-wutsey lion.
44 reality check (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 12:56 pm Report abuse
I insist on dialogue or else.

0.41secs

www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3OO42dKxfY
45 Terence Hill (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 01:27 pm Report abuse
15 Marcos Alejandro

For the present you cannot even maintain the drains in your capital, with your naval ships that sink while at moorings, and your air-force is equipped with bankrupt Spain's discards. “They will then take it” requires that will you need competency and capability of which you have neither. At the rate Argentina is deteriorating you had better hope the UK has a navy, to come and rescue you from the acquired resurgent military capabilities of the Islanders. So I guess you must be talking through the old PELOTUDO again.
46 Oder 1001 (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 01:28 pm Report abuse
A mouse is wise enough to know not to aggravate/squeak at an old lion, what do you think it knows Argentina's foreign minister does not?
47 Redrow (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 01:44 pm Report abuse
Really, is it 181 years already? Rather than setting up an impotent agency, Mr T should probably go to the ICJ pretty sharpish before people start thinking they've left it a bit too long.
48 Gordo1 (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 01:48 pm Report abuse
¿En qué se parece Superman a un argentino humilde?.
En que ninguno de los dos existe.

Translation:
What do Superman and a humble Argentine have in common?
Nothing - neither exists!
49 alan (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 01:52 pm Report abuse
Daniel Filmus - mother of Polish descent / father from Moldova
Hector Timmerman - family from Ukraine
Christina Kirchner - grandparents from Spain etc.
50 Conqueror (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 01:52 pm Report abuse
@15 Do try to understand. At the bottom line, the British people will demand that every British nuclear warhead is launched. Argieland WILL be annihilated. WE will KILL you. Because you're shite.
@37 WE don't want or need you, FAGGOT. See whether you can persuade your argie shagger to let you look in the “right” direction. Take that knob out of your mouth!
51 nigelpwsmith (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 02:00 pm Report abuse
There's an old idiom that fits this....

COME AND HAVE A GO IF YOU THINK YOU'RE HARD ENOUGH!

Reminds me of that Argentina Air Force radar operative challenging an aircraft flying over the Falklands and demand that they leave Argentine airspace and threatening to launch Argentina fighter aircraft if they didn't...

“Send them up, I'll wait!”

The biggest laugh of all is that Argentina simply does not know when they are acting like a complete prat.

CFK prattled on at the G20 meeting in Russia for nearly an hour on Argentina progresses in democracy, not even noticing that no-one else was listening and they were busily using their I-Pads to keep themselves amused. After that complete waste of time, I don't believe there is any doubt amongst the other leaders that Argentina has to be removed from the G20 - not only because they have failed financially to meet the criteria for being a member - but primarily because they elect complete imbeciles to be their leaders.

As the others have pointed out, there is no doubt that the ICJ would rule in favour of the Islanders...

So Argentina must be a country of cowards if they refuse to take the dispute to the ICJ.

Stevie..... YOU'RE A COWARD

Marcos Alejandro..... YOU'RE A COWARD

COME AND HAVE A GO IF YOU THINK YOU'RE HARD ENOUGH!
52 GFace (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 02:09 pm Report abuse
@50, Oh puleeze... No need to waste your deterrent capacity. Just send in Sawle and Cheek into town with a tea service, congenial smiles, and an election ballot. We've seen how effective they are. The Argentines will spontaneously combust out of sheer terror as if they were under attack Godzilla and Mothra but without the zippers.
53 Domingo (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 02:48 pm Report abuse
@2/5/24/32/45 et al, chest-beating and rejoinder aside, Argentina's claims of territorial integrity w.r.t. the questions of the Falkland Islands are fallacy and without merit

Argentine's claims could never succeed in the free court of the UN ICJ where the merit of their claims cannot be substantiated by the test of evidence

The UN principle and concept of Territorial Integrity & National Unity & disruption applies the the borders of member states and overseas territories as extant on 24th October 1945 when the UN Treaty came into force; many of these member states possess overseas territories and the treaty applies equally to these in terms of sovereign territorial integrity

Applying the principle of Territorial Integrity to the Question of the Falkland Islands would refer to the succession of the Falklands Islands from British sovereignty & its effect on British territorial integrity and British national unity

The fact is Argentine has never possessed any right of territorial integrity and the pretensions of the Republic of Argentina regarding the British territories of Falkland Islands, South Sandwich Islands, South Georgia, the South Orkneys, South Shetlands, Graham Land and Coats Land

Argentina's encroachments and pretended acts of sovereignty in or relative to any of those territories are, under international law, illegal and invalid and always have been

The fact is the only country with territorial integrity and national unity rights regarding the Falkland Islands and its one-time dependencies is Great Britain

Indeed, the UN and its members explicitly upheld British de facto and de jure territorial integrity on the Question of the Falkland Islands, when the UN Security Council issued Resolution 502 determined that there existed a breach of the peace in the region of the Falkland Islands and demanded an an immediate withdrawal of all Argentine forces from the Falkland Islands
54 rupertbrooks0 (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 02:52 pm Report abuse
15 Marcos Alejandro

You possess a somewhat odd attitude towards immigrant populations over indigenous people when your own Argentinian country is a nation of immigrants who exterminated the indigenous people. You yourself must be from European stock.

You appear also ignorant of the fact that recent arrivals to a country are frequent amongst the most patriotic of people. Many (not all of course) immigrants and their families from Pakistan, Poland and elsewhere, who have settled in Britain, are immensely loyal towards their new country. They are best able to appreciate Britain’s traditions of liberty, freedom and parliamentary democracy in comparison to the sadder experience of their own countries.

A good example would be Somalian born but now British Olympic gold medal winner Mo Farah, who is famously loyal and patriotic towards the country which has offered him a welcome, and freedom and opportunities unavailable in the country of his birth.

Hector Timermans father; Jacob Timerman must be turning in his grave at his sons hysterical antics. Is this any way for a country’s Foreign minister to behave? Some of his claims are blatant lies. There was no usurpation in 1833. The islands of South Georgia and the South Shetlands have been British since the 1770’s. Its absurd for Argentina to falsely claim they were stolen from Argentina.

Jacobo was a man of honour, dignity and immensely brave. He was a journalist of the highest traditions who possessed enormous respect for Britain and its institutions like the BBC.

His son however brings nothing but shame and ridicule upon himself, family name and country.
55 Pugol-H (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 03:15 pm Report abuse
So, if there is “broad support” in the world for Argentina’s position on this, then a resolution in the UN GA calling on Britain to negotiate sovereignty with Argentina, will soon be forthcoming.

Or are we just supposed to take TinPotMan’s word for it, that the world supports them.

Not in the real world, you just couldn’t make this shit up.

Not sure who is worse, the idiot saying this shit, or the idiots who believe it.

@37 Stevie
And when are you Creole Conquistadors going to “go home” and give S. America back to its rightful owners, the Indians you stole it from.

Eh, ocupas!!!
56 AzaUK (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 03:17 pm Report abuse
just for interest www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10537773/Britain-will-become-biggest-economy-in-Europe.html
57 Don Alberto (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 03:21 pm Report abuse
There is little doubt that Argentina again will send delegations to important world events like the church bazaar in Loisy-sur-Marne and the chicken farmers annual bingo in North Hykeham.
58 ChrisR (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 03:45 pm Report abuse
The picture is a delightful one of the new Foreign Minister Daniel “I have got the negatives” Filmus and his outgoing colleague Gollum.

What! You say they haven’t announced it yet?

Oh well, it won’t be long now. Perhaps Gollum will go to Spain and advise Gollum2 on how they can take Gib after his spectacular success with the Falklands.

Ha, ha, ha.
59 Jack Bauer (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 03:54 pm Report abuse
The facts about the “discovery” of the islands are largely ignored by the Argentine, either due to convenient nationalism or to plain ignorance. However, that the British and the French, and even the Portuguese had 'sighted' the islands in the late 16th century is a well known, historical fact. While seamen and seal hunters of various nationalities used the islands as a safeport during this period and later, it was probably the Brits who made their presence on the islands more than just a vague claim, and named the islands after Lord Falkland. Then the Brits were ousted by the Spaniards who, if not mistaken, ceded the islands to the French as a war settlement...thus the name Malvines....then the Brits took the islands back. Through all this, at no point did the 'then' provinces which are Argentine 'today', actively participate militarily in securing the islands for themselves, other than an attempt in the early 19th century (shortly after gaining independence from Spain), to establish a colony, which did not succeed. In 1832 the Brits decided it was time to take the islands back and that's how it's remained until today, 181 years later. The fact that the “kelpers” recently chose to remain under British rule, and not that of Argentina, simply demonstrates their good sense....and the reason why Argentine presidents , every now and again, rear their ugly heads and claim that the islands belong to Argentina, and try to force the issue through diplomatic channels, is because first, they know they'd get their asses whipped if they tried any other way, and two, to distract the Argentine population from the utter chaos they have created internally. And stupid claims that the situation will be different in 30 or 40 years, and that the Brits will be 'obliged' to 'return' the islands, is just a load of b.s., because in 30 or 40 years from now, the threats to world peace (already in the making) will make the Argies claim insignificant...
60 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 04:05 pm Report abuse
Timidman's statements are only a distraction - aimed at the Argentine people.
At most, it is an empty provocation towards us - to elicit a hostile reaction,
“See everyone, they hate us because they know we are right ” etc.

Just like the ridiculous hoardings of Stevie and Marcos - indoctrinated La Campora turds, repeating empty lies to wind us up.

They are all best ignored.
61 Jack Bauer (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 04:27 pm Report abuse
Troy, you're right.....a group of Argy “brown shirts”, too young to have seen terrorist supporter Cámpora in action, but stupid enough to believe in his 'noble' aspirations , created to support mummy and daddy, i.e., cross-eyed Kirchner and now his pathetic widow...
62 slattzzz (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 04:34 pm Report abuse
Argentina where's that?.....................what a bunch of no good losers, try and take the Falklands again but please remember that this time you will be up against Battle Hardened veterans a Navy that has learnt it's lessons from 82 and evolved into an awesome force, and this time will show you no mercy or respect, but simply boot your arse back to the mainland and then follow up by levelling Buenos Aires with Tomahawks......Happy new year
63 GFace (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 05:33 pm Report abuse
@59: ”And stupid claims that the situation will be different in 30 or 40 years, and that the Brits will be 'obliged' to 'return' the islands, is just a load of b.s., because in 30 or 40 years from now, the threats to world peace (already in the making) will make the Argies claim insignificant...”

And the biggest threat to world peace in 30-40 years, from the Argentine perspecitve, will be a successful sovereign and independent Falkland Islands, a member of the British Commonwealth, or whatever association with the UK the islanders wish. Forever out of Argentina's reach. They may even have to... (gasp!) talk to them!
64 macsilvinho (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 06:04 pm Report abuse
What is Malvinas?
65 nigelpwsmith (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 06:17 pm Report abuse
@64
It's a figment of the imagination of millions of ill-informed and deceived Argentines. A lie used to give false national aspirations of empire building and military conquest, to keep the masses from recognising the suffering caused by despotic leaders over decades.

It does not exist - a myth perpetuated by morons.

Akin to the tooth fairy or Santa Claus.
66 Gordo1 (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 06:18 pm Report abuse
This is the original article by Timerman. It is just a tirade of meaningless nonsense.

www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-236918-2014-01-03.html
67 Jack Bauer (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 06:50 pm Report abuse
Feel sorry for Timerman...d'you think he really believes all the crap he's written in an attempt to sway public opinion against Britain, or is he only writing what he knows miss Pouty Red-Lips wants to see, so that he can keep his job... either way, he's a poor nincompoop...
Funny, every time I see CFK spouting her nonsense, it reminds me of an episode of Two and a Half Men, in which Charlie's mother has just had plastic surgery to increase the volume of her lips, through the injection of butt fat into them....and Jake comments that now, every time she burps, technically she's farting... what a laugh !! everytime CFK speaks, she just releases some gas...
68 Beresford (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
Pity the UK did not invade the mainland when it could. Instead of having to emigrate to Europe or the USA, we could just jump across the Rio Colorado and presto, move into the developed world.
69 golfcronie (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 08:05 pm Report abuse
Round and round the radical road the radical rascal ran. Seems like they are going round in circles, go to the only UN body that can make a decision the ICJ
70 Stevie (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 08:22 pm Report abuse
You expats are weird...
You obviously don't want to be here in SA.
We obviously don't need you here in SA.

Why don't you do everybody a favour and go home?
71 Faz (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 08:30 pm Report abuse
Funny thing just lately is the abseence of Argentinian trolls. Just nonentities like Stevie and Marcos who have all the punching power of a soggy rice pudding, all the other numbskulls can't be getting paid?

Same old cracked record from Gollum, its just amusing and proves. That Argentina has no powers of persuasion and a dearth of effective arguments. If a diplomat is running a campaign of colonialist ambition one would expect something new instead of repetitive falshoods that has proved useless time and again.
I don't expect it will receive even an acknowledgement from the FO and I look forward to a yawn of response from Port Stanley. Argentina is bankrupt not only in monetary sense but also in terms of a different approach. The futile campaign of aggression and harrassment helps to maintain Argentina's status as an international pariah.
72 Stevie (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 08:39 pm Report abuse
The only reason you say that is because your posts have international recongnition as lucid, influential posts full of integrity...
73 El capitano (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 08:39 pm Report abuse
LMAO.....and as of this post(12;44 Pasific time RIOTING still going on in the streets of BA....no power...no.water no shitter..no...etc etc...ahaaaaaaaaaaaaa...you cant mke this shit up...
74 Islander1 (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 08:39 pm Report abuse
Stevie,
Apologies for the typo error in your name in my posting at 42. What expats are you referring to I guess some on here may be from UK who are currently working and living for a few years in South America. We exen have some form Uk here that come for a couple of years doing a job there is no Islander for at the time, mostly senior proffessionals as any small community of 3000 does not produce that many Doctors-Scientists-Engineers!
So I would suggest you are wrong- S.America DOES need these expats- wherever they come from, otherwise they would not have been recruited would they!
Same as we in the Islands recruit the ones we need.
75 reality check (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 08:40 pm Report abuse
Funny. he made no mention that the first year, of his famous twenty five year deadline has just gone by.
76 nololly (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 08:41 pm Report abuse
Lion dung is an effective means of scaring deer and other pests from your garden. It worked really well on Mt Tumbledown when the pests ran away and shortly after surrendeed in their thousands. Timermouse is a bit like Marcos he shouts insults from the touchline but would no doubt retreat in haste with his tail between his legs if we turned his way, lie most Argies, a man of straw.
77 Britworker (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 08:45 pm Report abuse
A lion that no longer frightens?

www.freewebs.com/jeffhead/worldwideaircraftcarriers/queene.htm

Argentina is coming to a very sad end of name calling and destitute poverty, pathetic!
78 Stevie (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 08:46 pm Report abuse
Islander
No worries, feel free to call me whatever you wish.
You are an Islander, not part of the lot.
79 Philippe (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 08:49 pm Report abuse
Beware of Timerman. He is a NAZI-onalist.

Philippe
80 CaptainSilver (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 08:54 pm Report abuse
@76 yes, remember when our nice Mr Hague invited Gollum to the FO last year for tea and cake, he ran away in defiance of UN requests for diaogue - big girls blowse! All we hear is from implanted Spaniards, lets hear what the Mapuche think?
81 Stevie (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 08:59 pm Report abuse
The Mapuches are dealing with the Kelts...
82 Monkeymagic (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 09:13 pm Report abuse
Poor Stevie....he's a bit thick.

The islanders are Falkland Islanders and British.

Scottish people will vote this year to either remain British or be independent.

Stevies logic says all those Scots who vote to remain British should leave Scotland because it is for the Scottish not the British.

What a thick twat.

Hey Stevie....you are Uruguayan AND South American. Clearly you cant be both...if you consider yourself Uruguayan you must leave South America.

Perhaps your logic is part of the “new politics” you will bring to Uruguay as part of your mission (after you've solved Uruguays energy problems) hhehehehehe...!

Acne cleared up yet?
83 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 09:18 pm Report abuse
“The release accuses the UK of ignoring UN resolutions, International Law and growing world public opinion”

ignoring UN resolutions:- 502 anyone?????

International Law:- Invading someone elses land, painting red crosses on ammo dumps, putting hand grenades in school childrens desk??

Growing world public opinion:- Well now, the rest of the world can f**k off then can't it. The only “public opinion” that we are listening to is the opinion of the Islanders themselves. It's nobody elses business.
84 Stevie (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
Look Monkey, warmongering Brits should stay in Britain.
I have no issues with Scots, Irish or Welsh people. And I don't hate Anglos.
But lets face it, the last ones are invasive. There is no place for a British military base in South Atlantic.
South America is a geographical area, while Britain is the leftovers of a fallen empire. The Islands are South American. The Islanders are South Americans.
The day they choose to be Falklanders and send you lot home, that's the day Argentina will talk to the Falklanders.
Argentina will not invade the Islands, it doesn't work like that anymore, if you're not a warmongering yanqui or one of his distant cousin, that is....
85 Jack Bauer (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 09:28 pm Report abuse
By Stevie's comments there is a chance he might be an Anglo-Argentine, but one of those that resents Britain and all that's foreign...why, I don't know, because the fact is a lot of them, not all (to be fair), try hard to be more British than the British...must have an identity problem....
86 Britworker (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 09:30 pm Report abuse
Stevie, you, Fray Bentos tinned pies and your scruffy president , promoting Uruguay on the world stage. Its not cool Stevie.
87 Gordo1 (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 09:30 pm Report abuse
Stevie - what planet do you live on? When did “Anglos” become “invasive” - what does that actually mean?
88 Stevie (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 09:35 pm Report abuse
Bauer
You got me... I'm desperate to be British, mainly because.... you know.... because.... the way.... the.... it's.... ....... ...... ....... .

But that's not all!

There's more....
89 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 09:38 pm Report abuse
“There is no place for a British military base in South Atlantic”

You're right Stevie!!!! We do not want to have to have a British military base in South Atlantic and it wouldn't be there, if we could be sure that if it wasn't, a bunch of theiving argies wouldn't invade the Falklands... AGAIN!!!!

So you can p*ss and moan all you like, but the ONLY reason it is there is a direct result of the actions of your countrymen.

Big boys rules now Stevie, deal with it
90 Jack Bauer (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 09:38 pm Report abuse
spare me from your nutty ranting and raving - you don't even know yourself why you're such a daft nationalist ...too bad !
91 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 09:48 pm Report abuse
90 Jack Bauer

Don't worry about it too much, it's post Christmas blues...... All that “Good will to all men”.. I don't think Stevie can handle it.
92 Be serious (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 09:48 pm Report abuse
These Argyland arguments are not very constructive and it all seems to be getting a bit desperate. Nothing much to say back in response, it's all been said before. If they attack they will be defeated.
93 Stevie (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 09:49 pm Report abuse
Bauer
Am I a nationalist now?
Of what nation? Argentina? Uruguay?
Sweden maybe? Denmark mayhap...
Or does my inner wish to be British make me a nationalist of the sort?
Or am I a nationalist of many nations?

Tool
Big boys ruled once, today money rules.
And regardless if you like it or not, South America is having more of it, that includes Argentina. The Chinese are making sure that this will only get better in the future.
94 Britworker (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 09:53 pm Report abuse
Hi Stevie

www.lanacion.com.ar/1652741-que-teme-la-argentina-de-uruguay

Regards
95 Monkeymagic (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 10:00 pm Report abuse
Stevie

The islanders are British and South American. The French Guyanas are French and South American. The American Samoans are American and South Pacificians. The Hawaiins are American and mid Pacificians. The Pitcairn islanders Are British and South Pacificians.

I am sorry your teeny tiny brain can't get your head around that....poor Stevie.

Poor Stevie...the Argentines won't invade...we have your word on that do we Stevie...and what does the word of an acne ridden Uruguayan student who has massive delusions of grandeur mean? Absolutely nothing.

The Argentine defence minister saying that Argentina can't “recover the islands” whilst the military base is there....means more than your “word” spotty..

The loss of nearly 1000 lives in 1982 also means more than your word....

I think we will stick as we are thanks Stevie....and there is nothing you, or any of your moronic leaders can do about it.
96 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 10:07 pm Report abuse
93 Stevie

“Big boys ruled once, today money rules.”

Yes Stevie baby, your president knows this, and regardless of how much the Chinese give you, your president will still use it to rob your country blind and it will always be that way. Your corrupt politcians will make sure that argentina stays poor.
97 Monkeymagic (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 10:13 pm Report abuse
I read that comment from Stevie and nearly wet myself laughing.

The poor spotty Uruguayan twat thinks Chinese money is going to lift Spanish Latin America out of the self-inflicted poverty trap it's had for a century.

What a deluded fool.

When Argentina defaulted on its debts to the “war-mongering” Anglosphere....the vast majority accepted a pittance and learnt not to lend Money to thieves.

Let's see what happens when the cuddly Chinese don't get paid.....hehehehehehe

I am pleased to see China embrace capitalism....but if only they knew of Stevies “special politics” that only he knows about.
98 malicious bloke (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 10:17 pm Report abuse
Blablabla “we're not afraid of you” blablabla “please remove the garrison and anti-air defences from the islands”.

Hilarious.
99 Monkeymagic (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 10:27 pm Report abuse
Another great quote from “spotty Stevie”

Britain is the leftovers of a fallen empire.....PMSL

Poor Stevie.....fallen empire. Which wars did we lose for this empire to fall? I'll start you off....American War of Independence.....err that's it

The Empire no longer exists, spotty Stevie, because we no longer want it...unlike Spain, or France, our colonies didn't have to fight for freedom. We either returned them peacefully to the indigenous people or granted self determination to those where mass migration had given a new majority.

The remnants are those territories too small to be independent, or those which still wish for our help against bullying belligerent neighbours.

I am sorry this doesn't fit with your racist hatred Stevie.

If you hate colonialism as you claim...you should love Britain....as it is the ONLY Empire that was freely and voluntarily dismantled into working democracies run by the people who live there.

Your country is far more a product and bad example of colonialism than the Falklands....unfortunately you are too thick to see it.
100 slattzzz (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 10:53 pm Report abuse
Funny isn't it that Hong Kong and Malta want to come back and be part of Britain, and we have more and more countries wanting to join the Commonwealth, Rgenweener don't bother applying
@99 Totally agree
101 GFace (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 11:32 pm Report abuse
This really is comedy gold. We get the predicable and bogus “we're reformed fascists” joke from Stevie @84. Its like going to a parole hearing of a rapist who insists that the board 1) see him as a changed man, 2) will never do it again, 3) the wh*re deserved it and even begged for it, 4) “no” means “yes” and she has no right to say either because what he says goes, 5) they are destined to be together whether she likes it or not and by god he will see it done, 6) shows the board his creepy shrine and creepier youtube tribute mashup video to her to prove it, 7) demands that the marriage license he made in prison arts-n-crafts be declared legally binding and 8) insists on a restraining order on her strapping boyfriend so he can go back to stalking her with impunity.
102 scottbart (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 01:18 am Report abuse
I do think Timerman means they are no longer scared of the lion as in Argentina are going to back down or invade. I think he is trying to take the angle that nuclear weapons and a permanent seat on the security council wont change Argentina's idea of justice and continuing with the “peaceful” means
103 Andy65 (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 01:49 am Report abuse
@Stevie Lets us all know what it's like to be the bitch of China they will suck you dry you piece of shit then spit your spanish ass out
104 Stevie (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 03:51 am Report abuse
Will they suck my piece of shit dry?
That's a weird behaviour, but I can live with that...
105 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 06:15 am Report abuse
104 Stevie Supa-Tupa

C'mon Stevie, are you that weak that you try to wriggle out of responding to a direct insult, by limply pretending that Andy said something else?

@103 Andy65
“...you piece of shit”
- that's you he's talking about, Stevie-Boy.

He also says, you're a “bitch of China's” and if you continue your present pattern of behaviour, far from being your 'saviour', they will suck you dry of everything you own, and spit out the husk.

But... you knew that.

If the Lion doesn't get you, the Tiger will.
106 ChrisR (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 10:08 am Report abuse
@ 105 Troy Tempest
“Stevie Supa-Tupa”

Brilliant, I wish I had thought of that.

It works on so many levels including the ABBA one who were of course SWEDISH!

Can I use it as well, with acknowledgement of course?
107 Stevie (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 10:26 am Report abuse
But Chris, of course you can...

Troy
I don't get it, what has all that to do with my shit???
108 Ernie4001 (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 10:40 am Report abuse
@4. Yeah, the K government have a lot in common with the nasty crazy fat boy of North Korea. Isolated, making their bullying the neighbors, lying to his people with nationalistic rubbish about being better than the rest (that many brainwashed believe), making the country poorer each day and also and army of government paid trolls posting everywhere . Sad.
109 Stevie (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 10:44 am Report abuse
And the English has globalized that behaviour.
Bullying various countries of the World, invading a few, stealing a lot, lying to the international community...

You know...

Ordinary stuff...
110 nigelpwsmith (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 11:00 am Report abuse
And Argentina has globalised their behaviour.

Bullying various countries of the World (Falklands/Uruguay/Chile),

invading a few(Falklands/Chile),

stealing a lot (All the billions in loans they failed to repay),

lying to the international community...(about their inflation figures/the Argentine financial disaster/the Argentine bribery & corruption - which even extends to bribes given by Venezuela!)

You know...

Ordinary stuff... if you're a lying thieving Argentine that is...
111 Stevie (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 11:03 am Report abuse
Seems you have a common base to initiate discussions then...
Or you just don't like competition?
112 LEPRecon (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 11:04 am Report abuse
@109 Stevie

You argument is stale, hypocritical and desperate.

You are a product of a country invading other people's land, stealing a lot, lying an awful lot, and attempting to bully variouis countries of the WORLD.

You could at least try to come up with something new, but I suppose trying to defend Argentina (a country that is an enemy of the country you say you come from - Uruguay) is difficult given the fact that it is busy imploding, and your wonderful 'socialist' paradise is revealed to be rotten to the core.

Yet all Argentina can do is rehash the same old, same old, which the world now just ignores, and squeak lamely at the British lion, of which it isn't frightened of, it is PETRIFIED of.

But don't worry, the Chinese will save you all from poverty and corruption...just like they have saved all those countries in Africa...oh wait a minute.

You should remember something about the Chinese, Stevie. They only care about China. They want your resources for their own people. They don't give a damn whether the people of Argentina, or South America as a whole live or die. The same as they don't care whether the people in Africa live or die.

They are their for the resources only, and all the important well paid jobs are being done by Chinese officials. The poorly paid, unskilled jobs have been given to the locals. POORLY PAID. No minimum wage. Workers are a dime a dozen in these places. All the Chinese do is bung some money to the corrupt officials and carry on sucking these countries dry.

I guarantee that the Chinese will willingly do business with the Falklands for the oil, if it were offered to them. They don't care about your little fairy tales.

China cares about China.
113 Stevie (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 11:16 am Report abuse
I know the Chinese only cares for themselves, but they PAY for what they want, they don't steal it invading sovereign nations.

Look it up.
It called “paying”
114 reality check (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 11:23 am Report abuse
Tell it to the Tibetans.
115 darragh (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 11:39 am Report abuse
113

What would Argentina or any other South American descendants of the Spanish Conquistadors know about 'paying'.
Where do you think the Spanish got all the gold that the Brits nicked off them? Did the Spanish 'pay' the indigenes for it - something tells me NO.
Did Argentina 'pay' the indegenes of Patagonia for the land they stole from them or the genocide the Argentines committed - something tells me NO!
Does Argentina pay it's debts - something tells me NO.
Will Argentina 'pay' the Falkland Islanders for all the damage they caused in 1982, all the land mines they scattered about because they were too stupid to record where they left them - something tells me NO.
Did Argentina ever cough up for the SS Hercules - actually I don't know but something tells me NO!

Look it up.
It's called “paying”
116 Monkeymagic (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 11:53 am Report abuse
Tell that to Vietnam

China is a big friendly neighbour to them when it's not invading, or claiming Vietnamese territory.

Did they pay for the Paracel Islands?
Did they pay for the Spratley Islands?

Where the Chinese handing out cash when they invaded in the 1970s?

What a retard Stevie is.....tell us more about your mission Stevie?
117 Pete Bog (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 11:57 am Report abuse
“ it could be added, to he headed by former Senator Daniel Filmus who lost his bench in the October mid-term election.”

So the Argentines are pinning their hopes on a loser?

Don't expect anything too soon amigos.

“UK refusal to sit at a negotiations table is the best evidence that regarding the Malvinas issue, the lion roars, but no longer frightens”.”

So this explains why Gollum gets a yellow shoe fountain every time he even suspects a British sub in in the South Atlantic (even if it isn't actually there)?

“It then quotes an editorial from The Times, in 1842”

A newspaper article is quoted but an actual treaty such as the Southern Arana treaty isn't quoted by Gollum -hmmm wonder why not?

“The release then lists all the events, supports, conferences, resolutions, historic pamphlets, solidarity groups and efforts displayed by Argentine diplomacy and by Argentine lawmakers in favor of the Malvinas issue during the last twelve months. Plus underlining all the measures dictated under Argentine law to try and prevent the Falklands from developing its own oil and gas industry.”

The release doesn't appear to indicate whether any of these measures have actually achieved anything.

As Private Fraser of Dad's Army would say, blather , blather , blather.

Gollum, three letters matey boy=. I. C. J.
118 darragh (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 12:04 pm Report abuse
The release accuses the UK of ignoring UN resolutions - LIE No 1

International Law – LIE No 2

and growing world public opinion favorable to Argentina and sovereignty negotiations –LIE No 3

which is the best evidence that in the Malvinas issue, “the lion still roars but no longer frightens”. – JOKE No 1

There is also a direct attack on Prime Minister David Cameron arguing that in one paragraph of his Xmas message to the Falklands, the head of government specifically talks about the military defense of the Islands, “forgetting the message of peace of such a celebration”. – STUPID COMMENT No 1

Argentina claims that on 3 January 1833 British forces ousted an Argentine settlement - LIE No 4

and have since occupied the Falklands under a colonial regime with an implanted population, - LIE No 5
and with no legal or historic rights to justify such occupation – LIE No 6

affecting the country's territorial integrity. – LIE No 7

There is a full paragraph dedicated to downgrade last March 'wrongly named' referendum – LIE No 8

in the Falklands when an overwhelming majority voted to remain a British Overseas Territory,
arguing that the event was in violation of UN resolutions – LIE No 9

and insisting the principle of self determination does not apply to the Malvinas issue. – LIE No 10

“The lack or arguments and broad support to Argentina's right to territorial integrity – LIE No 11

incites the UK to act and express with an undignified aggressiveness for a nuclear power that is also a permanent member of the UN Security Council. – LIE No 12

Such conduct debilitates the international community attempts for all countries to accept UN decisions to ensure the peaceful resolution of conflicts. – LIE No 13

UK lacks moral authority on this issue since it is the country that has most times ignored UN decisions, particularly those referred to ending with colonialism”. – LIE No 14

It then quotes an editorial from The Times, in 1842, when the Argentine representati
119 Stevie (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 12:08 pm Report abuse
China had what? 5 armed conflicts the past 2000 years? You lot achieve that in a decade...
Thieves the lot of you.
Common criminals.
120 Monkeymagic (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 12:09 pm Report abuse
To be honest the Argentine Foreign Ministry is a joke. To blatantly lie to its uneducated populous to appear strong is laughable. Just how gullible are Argentines?

Britain is apparently breaking UN resolutions....but the UN Secretary General says we are not.

Britain is apparently breaking International law....which ones? Take us to the Hague.

There is growing International support for Argentinas position....last I've the UNGA voted in 2008 it removed any reference of a sovereignty dispute being a barrier to self determination in NSGTs. BY A HUGE MARGIN.

Timmerman is lying to his own people. It's embarrassing to watch.

If British and Argentine diplomacy is to be compared, I would look at the childish name calling from Timmerman and the professional and dignified answers from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office.
121 darragh (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 12:15 pm Report abuse
Part – The Second

It then quotes an editorial from The Times, in 1842, when the Argentine representative in London apparently made a new request to hold talks on the Malvinas issue: “We don't know what to admire most, if the insolence from the South American or the resignation from Her Majesty's minister who didn't kick him down the stairs”. STUPID COMMENT - NO 2

The release then lists all the events, supports, conferences, resolutions, historic pamphlets, solidarity groups and efforts displayed by Argentine diplomacy and by Argentine lawmakers in favor of the Malvinas issue during the last twelve months. – JOKE No 2

Plus underlining all the measures dictated under Argentine law to try and prevent the Falklands from developing its own oil and gas industry. – JOKE No 3

This was completed with the creation of a Secretariat dedicated exclusively to the Malvinas issue, -
RANK STUPIDITY No 1

responsible for coordination of all efforts to peacefully recover the Islands, in accordance to the Argentine constitution through dialogue and bilateral negotiations between Argentina and the UK, - RANK STUPIDITY No 2

and it could be added, to he headed by former Senator Daniel Filmus who lost his bench in the October mid-term election. – RANK STUPIDITY No 3
Finally to the verbal and military threats from the colonial power – LIE No 15

Argentina will continue demanding the compliance with International Law and UN resolutions, - LIE No 16
“thus showing that the UK refusal to sit at a negotiations table is the best evidence that regarding the Malvinas issue, - LIE No 17

the lion roars, but no longer frightens”. – JOKE No 6

According to my count the article specified by Mercopress above contains:-

LIES 17
JOKES 6
RANK STUPIDTY 3
STUPID COMMENTS 2

All of which must be a record for an article less than 500 words long!
122 tului (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 12:20 pm
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123 yankeeboy (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 12:21 pm Report abuse
120. The Rg population is not gullible they are uneducated and nationalistic. They are indoctrinated to hate the USA and UK from birth. So this kind of malarkey panders to the masses and is ignored everywhere else.
They know how foolish and childish they appear to the Int'l community but that's not where this is directed so they don't care.

Their stupidity has gotten them into a lot of trouble though and you can only poke a Lion too many time before he swipes back.

Rgs only understand weakness and strength the problem is they confuse niceness or ignoring as weakness.
It may prove to be a fatal mistake.

and I am fine with that.
124 Monkeymagic (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 12:27 pm Report abuse
Stevie

Are you retarded or on a wind up?

In your 2000 year time frame, China has invaded the sovereign territory of Vietnam at least 15 times alone. That is before we count the numerous territorial battles with Russia, India, Japan, Korea, Tibet etc.

And because you are quite happy to include UNSC backed actions, there a multiple occasions when China has supported both militarily and financially.

Seems like your new mates aren't as friendly as you claim.

You see military action as a bad thing Stevie. Your impotence in stopping the genocide in Bosnia, your tacit support of Nazi Germany, your failure to be involved in any conflict that doesn't involve massacring unarmed Amerindians.

I know it's a source of embarrassment to you....

Never mind, I am sure Uruguay will change once you are in charge with your new brand of politics which only you know about.....lmao.

In the mean time, keep spouting your uneducated racial hatred towards us, it's quite harmless and hugely amusing.

How is your Nobel prize for Physics coming along? Invented the ultimate wind turbine yet?
125 reality check (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 12:38 pm Report abuse
5 in 2000 years.

LMOA.

Try 5 in 63 years.
126 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 12:59 pm Report abuse
101 GFace (#)
Jan 04th, 2014 - 11:32 pm

Love this mammoth analogy.
127 Anbar (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 01:07 pm Report abuse
Is it just me or does Argentinas Government sound more and more like a Junta ever time they give one of these “speeches”?

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Could Argentina afford to pay for the Falklands Stevie?

They'd have to pay reparations first for their illegal invasion of 1982 though.
128 Stevie (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 01:13 pm Report abuse
As soon as Britain pays for all the damages made throughout the years.
You lot qwe Africa your arses....

Then we have Palestina, Albania, Iraq, Afghanistan...

And you owe the world who knows how much for spawing the yanquis, what was that all about???
129 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 01:13 pm Report abuse
121 darragh (#)
Jan 05th, 2014 - 12:15 pm

'Part The Second'

Darragh you're going all ' Goon Show'. I approve.
130 Conqueror (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 01:57 pm Report abuse
@59 Correction. The Spanish didn't cede the Islands to the French. When the French “settled” the Islands had already been British for 74 years. The French SOLD their settlement to the Spanish. Then the Spanish tried to oust the British. That attempt lasted about 6 months. They didn't like Britain's offer to give them a full-scale war in exchange.
@70 And which of those commenting are in SA? Do you have figures? Are you concerned that the Falkland Islanders seem to have worldwide support? This must be a first. Argieland (not known to have told the truth at any time since 1920) has worldwide and overwhelming support for its claim to the Falkland Islands. At the same time, Britain doesn't seem to wander around the world “claiming” the Falkland Islands. There's a principle known as Occam's Razor. The simplest explanation is usually the correct one. Argieland misses NO opportunity to trumpet its “claim” and claim support. Britain says little except to tell the Falklanders that they will be defended. Why is it that it is invariably argies that “announce” that x country supports them?
@84 At last we're getting to the roots of the monomania. There IS a place for a British military base in the South Atlantic. It's called the Falkland Islands. There are “outposts” at South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands. South America is indeed a geographical area. North America is also a geographical area. But it has 23 countries in it! By any intelligent definition, the Islands are NOT South American. They are Islands in the Atlantic. But it's nice to hear that the Islanders won't have to talk to you. EVER. So why don't you shut up?
@93 So you're a “traveller”. We have such scum here as well. They get “moved on”. Because they are criminals.
@120 We may have made an error. In its efforts to appear squeaky clean, argieland needed to be seen as “multicultural”. How better than to appoint a foreigner as “foreign minister”? So what if he's a dozy dimwit?
131 Stevie (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 02:37 pm Report abuse
conq
Thank you for disliking everything I post.
Thank you for always disagreeing with me.

Thank you for not being on my side, it helps a lot!

Again, thank you.

;)
132 Pirate Love (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 02:47 pm Report abuse
Then argentina if you believe your own tripe then act or continue to wail from the safety of your CUNTry!!!!
133 Stevie (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 02:51 pm Report abuse
They can't hear you, Love.
Try screaming...
134 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 02:54 pm Report abuse
@106 ChrisR

Chris,

By all means use “Stevie Supa Tupa” - freely and frequently :-)

The real Tupas like Mujica, that are still alive, would be furious to know that some “one-handed typing” teenager has assumed their identities for his fantasy persona.
Worse yet, he is a gullible malleable pawn used by the very neighbours that bully Uruguay.

Stevie,
When the K's flee, you'll finally realise you may have got f¥cked, but you never got kissed.
135 Stevie (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 02:56 pm Report abuse
Nah Troy, by then I'll be hitting you with the L's...
136 ChrisR (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 03:10 pm Report abuse
@ 124 Monkeymagic
“Invented the ultimate wind turbine yet?”

Stevie has done MUCH better than that!

According to him he has invented a source of FREE ENERGY no less!

This means of course he does not understand the Laws of Physics in any meaningful fashion.

The Alchemists of old tried to turn lead into gold. They did not have the periodic table back then so at least they had an excuse for not realising they could probably turn gold into lead!

Stevie has no such excuse other than naivety.

But his claims do make me laugh; just don’t mention the fridge problem to him though!
137 ynsere (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 03:14 pm Report abuse
For those who read Spanish, I'd love to hear some thoughtful remarks on this article in today's La Nación: www.lanacion.com.ar/1652917-militancia-e-ignorancia
138 Brit Bob (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 03:22 pm Report abuse
Ban Ki-Moon confirmed on 12th November 2012 that the UK WAS NOT in breach of ANY 'relevant' UN resolutions over the Falklands.

Two UN ICJ Advisory opinions, the last made on 16th October 1975 confirmed that the right to self-determination was applicable to ALL non-self-governing territories.

If Timberhead had a brain he'd be a half-wit.

Little wonder why Argentina has a fantasy government inflation index called INDEC where they rate annual inflation at 10.5% when the real figure is pushing 30% and then there's that 106th position in the Global Transparency Index. Argentina is the laughingstock of Latin America. LOL.
139 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 03:26 pm Report abuse
135 Supa Tupa

What, no time to spare for a real retort??

Got a problem perfecting your Perpetual Motion machine ???
140 yankeeboy (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 03:36 pm Report abuse
Awful lot of rumors of Patacones ( quasi-currencies) to be issued by the Provinces shortly.
That will surely bring on national strikes and civil unrest just like last time.
add in more blackouts in BA, GBA, Cordoba and Rosario

a Perfect Storm is a brewin'
141 Stevie (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 03:39 pm Report abuse
Why would I care? I'm Uruguayan, after the L's, I throw you a couple of M's...
142 darragh (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 03:40 pm Report abuse
129 Furry-Fat-Feck

Is that where it comes from? I didn't know but I'm sure Major Bloodnok would also approve of my usage of it.
143 Andy65 (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 03:47 pm Report abuse
Here Stevie you something for Argentina to look forward to with your new besty
www.financialtransparency.org/2011/08/15/angolan-chinese-syndicate-pillages-african-resources/
144 ChrisR (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 03:48 pm Report abuse
@ 137 ynsere

Well, I did my best and would comment as follows.

The piece does its best to garner together all the nationalistic elements seen in the recent past under the malignant banner that is Roca. Everything is there:
YPF
Vaca Muerta
Anti USA feelings
Bravado about Chile
Rabid sentiments against the indigenous Indians who suffered under Roca though this is very much downplayed
And of course Roca’s defeat was not at the hands of the indigenous Indians but by the dastardly Indians from Chile and it was they that did it for the “Tehuelches” aka Mapuche, so Roca was a good guy after all.

But for me the sting is in the tail! If things had been left at the Black River whole areas that were “ownerless” were now (and to some of the claim, always had been) Argentine. Miraculous event, I am surprised that it is not Saint Roca. :o)

The argies could even, as a result of this “new” occupation (that kills the claim it was always Argentine) also claim Antarctic territory AND the islands in the South Atlantic.

Good colonialist and saint then: Roca.

But why an editorial in La Nacion and why now?
145 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 04:11 pm Report abuse
141 Supa Tupa

sure Stevie, Uruguay. *rolls eyes*

142darragh
...and Minnie Bannister.

:-D
146 GeoffWard2 (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 04:21 pm Report abuse
Stevie #119

I always amazes me just how many wars the Chinese fought.

The Qin dynasty wars themselves ran riot over the whole of China, killing millions in the process of creating a coherent 'nation' - hence Qin's need for the Terracotta Army!
For the last 2,000 years, the screwing down of the populations of China has been the central feature. The massed battles of the regional warlords are reprised in Akira Kurosawa's Ran - itself a reprise of Hamlet; but the massive killings were just part of Chinese life since they entered what today we call civilization. That's why Mao Zedong's slaughters passed without more comment - the land had been saturated in the blood of many centuries, and the peoples have bee - for millenia - conditioned to it.
147 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 04:33 pm
Comment removed by the editor.
148 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 04:57 pm Report abuse
147 Marcos

”Did the NHS paid for your failed circumcision? :-))”

There are 146 posts on here about Argentinas failing economy and the dangers of trading infrastructure promises from China in return for your natural resources.

YOU chose to make some off-colour, vaguely racist, remark about Gordo's penis.

Marcos you really arn't impressing anyone.
149 yankeeboy (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 05:04 pm Report abuse
Marcos is back, Voice is back but where is ol Thicko?

Clearly Argentina is collapsing, peso in freefall and no Thicko
How sad.
150 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 05:18 pm Report abuse
149 yankeeboy
Yes, we are collapsing and your president extended unemployment payments for millions again :-))
I am having a private conversation with a former Lloyds bankster not with you baldy.
151 CaptainSilver (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 05:20 pm Report abuse
Voice needs wringing out, he has been severely burned. And Marcos is back shouting his insults again lol!
152 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 05:43 pm Report abuse
150 Marcos

”Yes, we are collapsing and your president extended unemployment payments for millions again :-)) ”

Yes, you are collapsing, and Chile is outperforming you consistently:

trueeconomics.blogspot.ca/2013/02/222013-argentina-v-chile-real-economy.html?m=1
153 yankeeboy (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 06:00 pm Report abuse
Marcos you've obviously missed the 1000s of people burning tires and garbage while cutting the streets.
Collapse or normal?
You tell me.
Btw peso is over $13 in Uruguay if you can find anyone stupid enough to take it.
154 Monkeymagic (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 06:00 pm Report abuse
Stevie

Yet more ignorant racism from you I'm afraid, and a shocking lack of historic knowledge for someone with such a big mouth.

Apparently, according to you, we owe Africa our asses.....interesting.

Is that all of Africa or just the parts that we part of the British Empire. Do you owe the parts of Africa that were parts of the Latin Empires your ass, or is this more Stevie hypocrisy.

Tell me Stevie, how many of these poor African countries to whom we owe our asses, think the same as as some spotty student (with delusions of grandeur) from Uruguay? How many have excellent relationships with the UK and are active members of the commonwealth for which the Queen is head?

Hmmm...seem like you are wrong again Stevie. Mozambique....a Latino colony...now in the Commonwealth....that speaks volumes...even after colonialism countries still prefer Anglos to Latinos....hahahahahah

“spawning the Yankies”.....LOL

Yet more Stevie ignorance.....less than 10% of Americans are of English descent, there are more Germans, Irish, Hispanics in America than English.

Poor Stevie, ignorant to the last. His racist bile spewing...and giving him terrible acne.

Tell us more about “Free Energy” Stevie.....we could all use a laugh....at you...again
155 Stevie (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 06:00 pm Report abuse
Argentina is doing great. Chile is doing even better.

Big hugs to our Chilean Brothers and sisters!

;)
156 yankeeboy (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 06:47 pm Report abuse
Argentina is doing well as of this afternoon only 20 neighborhoods in ba and GBA are still without power and oh yeah running water.
If that's good what's bad Stevie?
157 GeoffWard2 (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 07:07 pm Report abuse
Free Energy ...
Free Education ...
Free ...
I was tought that there is no such thing as a Free Anything.
A lifetime of close scrutiny has validated this belief.

I guess Stevie is saying “Free to me”
- without recognising the “Cost to somebody else” argument.
158 Captain Poppy (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 07:14 pm Report abuse
Argentina is doing great? Where the fuck do you live?.....not in Argentina!

Explain this to me so I can inform my wife's family when I visit that they are doing great......okay?
159 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
155 Stevie

“Argentina is doing great”

I'm guessing that you are part of the “Day release” program at your local hospital...... Is it a type of “care in the community” thing?
160 Briton (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 07:46 pm Report abuse
apparently every time Argentina rants or wags her tail,

our MPs don't even listen to them, they are totally ignored,
most of the world just laughs ,
yet somehow CFK and her poodles [upon] sniffing to much white powder, seem to imagine they are more important than they actually are,

they live in cuckoo land , they dream of imperialistic powers that just don't exist,

as a matter of fact, if one built a great big wall around Argentina, and named it the biggest loony bin in the known world,
we would not be to far wrong,

their only and last hope of salvation is to immediately dump the infected face lifted CFK , sink the politicians and come back into the real world, before its to late to save their soles .
161 Stevie (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 07:52 pm Report abuse
Briton
Hermanos Argentinos!
Briton has the answer!

You need a cobbler...
162 Briton (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 08:02 pm Report abuse
mmmm leather mmmm lol.
163 lsolde (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 08:54 pm Report abuse
@150 Marcos,
“l am having a private conversation with a former Lloyds bankster, not with you baldy”
You do not have private conversations with other people on a Public Forum.
Don't be so rude.
lf you don't want the rest of us to read and/or coment, then keep it to yourself & don't publicly publish it.
btw-where is sr Think? We miss his jolly misinformation & outright lies.
Maybe he's gone back to Sweden/Denmark/wherever(it changes to suit his current rubbish at the time!)for Christmas/New Year.
164 yankeeboy (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 10:26 pm Report abuse
Thicko disappeared when the blackouts started, civil unrest started and the Peso went over 10.
He is currently in a dark corner rocking back and forth saying “all is well” “all is well” waiting on the next dose of Lithium.
165 golfcronie (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 11:00 pm Report abuse
@155
Argentina is doing great, funnily enough so is the FALKLANDS, wonder why they want to remain a BOT, any thoughts?
166 nololly (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 11:54 pm Report abuse
Why doesn't Argentina apply to join the Commonweath? Then Gollum could have Malvinas discussions at the conferences.
167 nigelpwsmith (#) Jan 06th, 2014 - 01:01 am Report abuse
@166

The funniest thing of all is that back when Argentina declared independence from Spain, they actually asked to JOIN Great Britain.

They wanted the British to station troops and ships in their country, to protect them from Spain. To stop Spain trying to recover their empire. Only Britain already had Spain as an ally in the war against Napoleon, so they could not do anything that upset their new Spanish friends.

The United Provinces actually wanted to join the British Empire. They honestly believed that their rights would be better served within the British Empire, as protection against their old masters.

Not surprising really. They had masses of trade with Great Britain. Lots of British merchants lived in the United Provinces and they were very wealthy people. The United Provinces saw it as a way of getting rich quick. They probably reasoned that the British would forget the Baring debt, build even more trade and expand the country.

In some ways, I suspect that a lot of the Argentine hostility comes from this 'unrequited love'. That the Argentines still admire Britain more than they do Spain, but would be embarrassed to admit this.

In truth, the Argentines admired the British Empire, admired the fact that Britain was the strongest nation and wanted to be a part of the Empire family.

There are many nations that would love to join the Commonwealth. I suspect that the United States would like to be a part of it too, but they can never throw off the fact that they split away in 1776. Sure the Americans make out that they hated the Red Coats and the 'tyrannical government' of King George. But in truth, all the Americans wanted was recognition and a say in the way the Empire was run. Like a child asserting their individuality, they had to 'leave home' to become independent.

So Argentina still regrets that they never joined the Empire, because if they had, then the Falklands might have been protected BY them, but still be independent OF them.
168 Pete Bog (#) Jan 06th, 2014 - 01:04 am Report abuse
Seeing as the Queen has been awarded the Order of San Martin by Argentina - I reckon Gollum's lining that one up-he's trying everything possible short of going to the ICJ...
169 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 06th, 2014 - 03:27 am Report abuse
167 nigelpwsmith
Not even Gambia wants to be part of that “commonwealth” lol.
170 Conor J (#) Jan 06th, 2014 - 04:14 am Report abuse
Ha ha ha!!!! One of the most corrupt countries in Africa leaves! Ever wonder why? NO not ”neo-colonialism as the Gambian government claimed (one of the most corrupt on earth by the way) but because the UK government and the leadership of the commonwealth were rightly condemning the outrageous record on Homophobia, and gender/sexual equality in general.

Lost again Marcos the moron.

But then again why I'am I even replying to you? You are as relevant as Polio; here one day gone the next!
171 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 06th, 2014 - 05:00 am Report abuse
7:00 minute

www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_aPZGS3CH4
172 Conor J (#) Jan 06th, 2014 - 08:04 am Report abuse
Is that the best you can do you pathetic excuse for a human being?

Don't answer that because it is common knowledge that you have the debating skills of a Parrot that has become fixated on one word.
173 Stevie (#) Jan 06th, 2014 - 08:28 am Report abuse
nigel
Interesting.... Was that before or after they kicked some English butt in Buenos Aires.... twice...?
I remember reading Prins Valiant left in such a hurry, he forgot Montevideo...
174 Clyde15 (#) Jan 06th, 2014 - 12:27 pm Report abuse
#169
Unlike you, I have been in Gambia. Lovely people - in the main- but ruled by a despot. Dissent from the official line and the police beat you up. I travelled, with a guide to Bansang, from the coast - a three day return journey. I was approached by locals, many times as they were interested to see why I had come there. To my surprise, several told me that they wished the British would take over the country again as they were better treated under British rule than by their current dictator !

#173
I seem to remember Argentine “butt” getting well and truly “kicked” in 1982....more relevant than 200 years ago.
The difference being, we can still kick butt, your pathetic lot cannot.
175 Tim (#) Jan 06th, 2014 - 04:01 pm Report abuse
5 HansNiesund (#) But surely the time has come for somebody to tip a bucket of cold water down his trousers?

That would certainly shrivel his crown jewels if he has any!!!!
176 Jack Bauer (#) Jan 06th, 2014 - 05:35 pm Report abuse
Conqueror re yr #130, thanks for the correction, posted as follows :“@59 Correction. The Spanish didn't cede the Islands to the French. When the French “settled” the Islands had already been British for 74 years. The French SOLD their settlement to the Spanish. Then the Spanish tried to oust the British. That attempt lasted about 6 months. They didn't like Britain's offer to give them a full-scale war in exchange.”
Now back to Stevie (#93)..if you choose to turn a blind eye to the pitiful state of your country (whether it's Uruguay , OR Argentina, doesn't change much), and defend it's government's policies regardless, you gotta be a rabid nationalist... quite pathetic really....and worse, you carry on with the same verbal diarrhea in yr # 155.
177 Conqueror (#) Jan 06th, 2014 - 06:19 pm Report abuse
@131 It's not a problem. I do enjoy ripping new holes in arses. Anybody with an intelligence quotient over 50 would define you, based on your comments, as an arse. Occasionally your comments are so nonsensical and full of gibberish that no response is possible. But I'm quite happy to spend time showing the world what a brainwashed, ignorant, xenophobic, stupid twat you are. I'm retired. After a lifetime of productive activity turning criminals into prisoners, I'm happy to add my small effort to illustrating how you have nothing constructive, instructive, intelligent or useful to say. Constructive argument or discussion with you? Not a chance. You can't even come up with intelligent, substantive or reliable, checkable facts. And there's a difference between education and intelligence. It's often been said that, given enough effort and time, a roomful of monkeys with typewriters could reproduce all the works of Shakespeare. You're with the monkeys. All that you come out with is a slightly evolved version of the bile, hatred, lies and xenophobia of your masters. And mistress. And so I “disagree” with you. Because what you come out with is fatuous and not worth the time you spend typing it. And, given your tone, you can have the insult and invective as well. In 1982, 255 very courageous MEN lost their lives in the process of kicking your cowardly, criminal pals off OUR territory. Territory that the UN had already told them to get off. Your pals are criminal scum. And so is anyone who supports them!
@137 Not many characters available. But it's an obvious argie attempt to rewrite history to justify their crimes. Of which they have committed many!
@147 Query. Who pays for your outsize buttplug and floor-mounted dildo?
@164 Stevie is similar. Except he's wanking as well. Trying to convince himself that he's a “man”.
@169 South Sudan does! Who would miss The Gambia?
@173 Do you have a problem with dates? Clue - argieland “created” in 1816.
178 axel arg (#) Jan 06th, 2014 - 08:04 pm Report abuse
DIALOGUE, NOT SUBMISSION.
Every time i try to debate about this case in this foum, i otfen find some people, including some of our misserable sepoys, who accuse us of believing false arguments since we are children, indoctrinated by our official history. I must recognize that i feel really ashamed when i read that kind of comments, because they are too pathetic.
It's not new in absolut the fact that both countries tell just what is convenient for them before international scenarios. The malvinas case, is a very complicated cause, which has strong and weak aspects for both countries, in fact, i have discussed in this forum a lot about the historic aspects of this conflict, beside, i agree on a proposal of dialogue between both nations, including with the lawmakers from the islands, but what really annoys me, is their hypocritical complaint, in relation to the lack of dialogue with arg., i say it's hypocritcal because every time they ask for a dialogue, they manifest that they are disposed to talk about different issues, but not about the sovereignty, which is the main problem, so, they dont want a dialogue, what they want is argentina's submission.
C. f. k. was very clear when she read before the u. n., in june of 2012, the secret proposal of 1974 discussed between both nations, which was based on a shared sovereignty, this fact destroys the distorted interpretation that the lawmakers from the islands always do, about argentina's posture.
In my opinion, i think that the only one way to finish with this humbled situation for arg., is to take the case to the arbitration, as it was suggested by arg. in 1884 and 1888, but rejected by the u. k., or as it was manifested by britain in 1947, in relation to the case of the dependencies from the islands.
After that year, neather arg., nor the u. k. proposed again to take the question to the arbitration, perhaps both aren't sure of getting a positive result, if the cause is discussed at the court.
179 yankeeboy (#) Jan 06th, 2014 - 08:09 pm Report abuse
Peso at $10.50!!
Bahahahahaa

Doomed I tells ya doomed
180 Clyde15 (#) Jan 06th, 2014 - 08:54 pm Report abuse
#178
So,as Argentina has only ONE item on the agenda, the handing over of sovereignty, what is there to negotiate ? Argentina wants the UK's submission. The UK says NO. End of discussion.
181 lsolde (#) Jan 06th, 2014 - 09:29 pm Report abuse
@178 Axel,
How hard is it to understand Axel, that we consider that Argentina has NO RIGHTS in the Falklands & we will NOT discuss Sovereignty of OUR land with you.?
This has been explained to you numerous times.
Would you like me to remind you of this on a weekly basis?
Would mondays suit?
182 Jack Bauer (#) Jan 06th, 2014 - 09:29 pm Report abuse
Clyde, yr #180 hit the nail on the head ! and this is for axel arg(# 178)...“shared sovereignty”, how the hell is that meant to work ?? The fact is when the British first landed on the islands, there were no Argies there, so where does the ridiculous claim come from ? because of proximity ??? ok, if that's the criterion, then why doesn't Brazil annex Argentina ? after all, Brazil is “closer” to Argentina than the latter is to the Falklands !!....and, if THAT ever happened, would have a good laugh seeing them try to make it work...Don't get me wrong, Argentina, as Brazil, are great countries..and COULD be great nations ...BUT, what spoils them are the ruling classes and MOST of the people who live in them....just a bunch of ignorant a.holes...
183 Oder 1001 (#) Jan 06th, 2014 - 10:00 pm Report abuse
178 axel arg
the UK offered talks at the ICJ three times in 1947 ,1955 and 1956 Argentina refused, whatever the 1974 proposal was invalidated with the invasion of the islands. Argentina has one agenda only sovereignty, here`s political reality for Argentina they invaded the islands stripped them of their sovereignty, why would they now consent to negotiate that sovereignty with the people who denied them theirs?” if one wishes to play the game Argentina need to accept the same risks of win and lose, at present Argentina say`s I will only play if I win! the UK does not need to accept such condition, no one will accept that talks must be decided in favour of Argentina before talks begin, as sovereignty is the only issue on the Argentine agenda there is nothing to discuss. Argentina needs to put on the table why its worth the British to talk to them.
184 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jan 06th, 2014 - 10:16 pm Report abuse
178 axel arg

Oh axel, axel, AXEL!!! You don't understand do you? Remember, ages ago, when I speaketh the oft told legend that “You only ever get one chance at making a first impression”??

Now, there once was a chance, a small chance, but a chance nonetheless, that the Falkland Islanders would be ok with argentine rule, they would be happy to be ruled from BA instead of the UK.

But guess what Axel me dear? Guess what happened then? You right royally f**ked it up didn't ya? In 1982 you gave the Islanders, you gave the WHOLE WORLD a look at what being ruled by argentina looked like, and guess what? The Islanders didn't like it. THEY didn't like it and they didn't want it, If there was only a small chance of winning them over before 1982, you made dead sure, that after 1982, there was no chance at all. EVER.

And you know what else? We here in the UK saw what you did, and heard the stories of what you did and now WE here in the UK will make absol-f**king-utely sure that you don't get your sticky little mitts on them.

You may think that it's the “argentinian people” and the “honour of argentina” that has been wronged, but guess what?, that's a sh*t sandwich you'll have to take a bite from, all of you.
And you know what else? you did it all to yourselves as well. The only people you can blame for the way things are now, is you. So now you will have to f**k off because here in the UK? we say, what the Falkland Islanders want, that's what we want as well. So without their say so, you can go and skip for your “Honour” and for the Falklands as well.

Peace and love

The UK.
185 Captain Poppy (#) Jan 06th, 2014 - 11:59 pm Report abuse
Axel just an FYI......Mexico will have an easier time getting the USA to ceed Texas to Mexico........mmmmmmmm....now that I think of that concept.........lol.
You had the opportunity to talk but refused to allow the people directly affected at the table. In order to arbitrate, both parties must submit to it. Take it to the ICJ.
186 Stevie (#) Jan 07th, 2014 - 12:12 am Report abuse
Ingleses! yanquis!
Stop killing women and children!!

The rest of the World.
187 Tim (#) Jan 07th, 2014 - 12:17 am Report abuse
184 toooldtodieyoung. 'fraid you missed out what is generally known here in Argentina. The terrible treatment the innocent and naive (and basically illiterate) conscripts, from the northern provinces of Chaco and Corrientes, got from their superiors. Staking out in the freezing rain for example!!! On their trip back to the mainland the officers were made to scrub the decks whilst the conscripts got first class treatment. On reaching the mainland they were confined to barracks for a brain washing for two weeks so they would never repeat what happened to them. Doubtful the islanders will forget this either!!!
188 rupertbrooks0 (#) Jan 07th, 2014 - 03:30 am Report abuse
178 axel arg

The policy raised by CFK was never official government policy. This was a discussion document produced by civil servants and diplomats. This would almost certainly have been rejected by the islanders. In 1965 the then Labour Foreign Secretary of State; Micheal Stewart made it absolutely clear in a statement to parliament that in any negotiation with Argentina the wishes of the islanders would be paramunt. This has remained government policy ever since.

The gvernment has made it clear also that the UK government has no doubts about British sovereignty over the islands. Therefore there can and will be no discussion over sovereignty until the islanders wish it.

the UK government spent 17 years in discussion with Argentina mainly because it was believed that by talking with Argentina there would be no invasion. Talking was believed to be cheaper than keeping sufficient armed forces in the area to deter any invasion attempt. This policy clearly failed.

The UK is therefore forced to defend the islands .

Given that Argentina sees talks as simply a discussion on how Britain will hand the islands over to Argentina, what is the point of any negotiations?
189 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 07th, 2014 - 05:06 am Report abuse
186
“Ingleses! yanquis!
Stop killing women and children!!”

Sussie ????
190 Gordo1 (#) Jan 07th, 2014 - 07:12 am Report abuse
Marcos Alejandro
What on earth is a “Lloyds bankster”?
191 Monkeymagic (#) Jan 07th, 2014 - 12:26 pm Report abuse
Axel Arg

You try and portray that you have studied the Falklands case deeper than anyone else, and that you can “lecture” your findings as fact...the summary of your “lecture” is that “both sides have weak and strong aspects”.

Your “in-depth analysis” is fundamentally flawed, and that continuing to repeat it just makes you look ridiculous.

The world has moved on since 1833, when, as per historical facts on both sides...58 people were evicted from the Falklands. All of those (54) forced to leave (without a shot being fired) had been on the islands for 6 weeks and had already mutineed, murdered and raped.

That is the extent of the “Argentine claim”. Fundamentally weak.

The Falkland islanders claim based on 180 years of unbroken habitation, the UN Charter and numerous UN resolution showing that their interests are paramount is fundamentally strong. THERE IS NO BRITISH CLAIM.

However, as you identify in 1974, the was a (NON SECRET) proposal put to the islanders around shared sovereignty.

THIS WAS REJECTED BY THE ISLANDERS AS TO NOT BEING IN THEIR INTEREST.

So Britain proved beyond any reasonable doubt that it met the UN resolutions to have dialogue with Argentina to satisfy Argentinas claim, and that the interests of the islanders were paramount AND that the UN Charter that all people have the right to self determination was respected.

You view that this somehow considered Argentinas mythical 1833 claim valid is ludicrous. Britain actively pursued a decolonization of 1/3 the surface of the world, and 1/4 the population. Wherever possible self-determination was paramount and near all are thriving democracies.

Britain negotiated with Argentina despite their ludicrous claims...not because of them...simply Because Britain no more wants a territory in the South Atlantic than anywhere else.

However, because the islanders wish to remain British, so it will stay. Until they chose otherwise. in 180 years Argentina has convinced one islander (Betts), 1500 to go.
192 GFace (#) Jan 07th, 2014 - 02:25 pm Report abuse
@178... “Sepoys” People adverting that Argentina actually comply with the UN Resolutions they lie about every day? Such a good little tan shirted Malvinazi-light you are.

And the alleged “secret” document violated 2065 as much as your line of fascist governments have with respect to the islands. The difference is the UK listened the Islanders as they were supped to while the Junta you pretend to hate but celebrate on your 2-peso coin and all the subsequent governments have either ignored or ran like cowards from taking the Islanders interests into account.

What a lie your life must be. Pretending to do research and cherry picking only select facts and even words in more complete and contex-filled sentences. Facing people who like you can “just-google-it” and see how your lies are so easily provable. You said you are a teacher in a previous post as I recall. Do you lie awake in fear that your students will discover what a fraud you are?

But today and tomorrow the Islands will exercise the right that you could never take from them. Self-deterermination is locked down in favor of the Islanders and your lies to the contrary cannot change that your try to get it overturned in a back alley vote failed because the civilized world and a good part of the middle east who explicitly saw what it meant for other conflicts saw through it. You can either talk to them as partners or forever be looked on as embittered neonozis wanting your Poland and Czechoslovakia. So put your money in your mouth when you pretend to want to have talks with the islanders as you have in other posts and PUBLICLY call for talks with the ISLANDERS. We all know you're too much of a coward to do it. But do prove us wrong. We may even help you with asylum when you lose your job for being a ... sepoy. Till then keep your mask on, whatever it may be.
193 Monkeymagic (#) Jan 08th, 2014 - 11:23 am Report abuse
@189

Stevie knows that uruguay and Argentine foreign policy causes more deaths to women and children than the UK and US does...

Whenever there is a natural disaster, typhoons in SE Asia, earthquakes in Iran, Volcanic eruptions, hurricanes, typhoons and tsunamis...often the first people on the scene with humanitarian aid, saving the lives of the children and women in the disater areas are.....you guessed it, the US and UK miliary.

What is the Latam response....nothing.

Stevie delights in his own impotence, he delights that he can do nothing while better people save lives. He delights that his inaction, his selfish insular attitude COST LIVES.

He sees natural disasters and their death tolls as “someone elses problem”, he sees humanitarian aid as “interfering”.

His attitude and those politicians he support DIRECTLY cost lives of women and children through their selfishness.

So Stevie...stop killing women and children....!
194 Captain Poppy (#) Jan 08th, 2014 - 12:51 pm Report abuse
It could not have been said better. However....we all know his response if any:

We do not ask for assistance so we do not give any. I've heard that before from a few of the impotent trolls.
195 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jan 08th, 2014 - 04:07 pm Report abuse
187 Tim

No, I didn't. I can remember reading “Storming the Falklands” by an ex member of 2 Para who took part in the Falklands war. In this book ( which is well worth a read, if you can get hold of it ) he describes his homecoming and lack of understanding and help that he received regarding the PTSD he suffered.

He also goes on a journey to Buenos Aires to return a Trumpet he took from an Argentine POW. There, talking to the man, he is told about the harshness of their own officers toward the young conscripts.

He also quotes from a book by Edgardo Esteban perhaps you have heard of it? read it? Edgardo describes how, as conscripts, they were bullied by their own officers, humiliated in front of their own men and then shunned by their families / country when they returned. I would like to read that one as well but I do not think it is available in English.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing and the Junta, should have known better. They all should have know better.
196 Tim (#) Jan 08th, 2014 - 07:55 pm Report abuse
195 toooldtodieyoung . Haven't read the book. The best book on that war is probably the one written by Max Hastings whose son, Harry is living here and running tourism of the country for foreigners. He doesn't mention the harsh treatment meted out to the conscripts. I have spoken to some so I have heard it first hand and we have one conscript from our own community who has spoken openly about it.

Quite a number of veterans, especially the ones flying the Harriers, have come back and met their counterparts and become friends.

Suicides amongst the conscripts has been very high and it is calculated that more have died from suicide than in the fighting on the islands.

The ex-member of 2 Para should have gone to The Royal British Legion and they would have made sure he was treated for his PTSD. This is probably the largest charity organization in the UK and they handle all these issues not only for the vets but for their families as well.
197 axel arg (#) Jan 08th, 2014 - 09:04 pm Report abuse
CLYDE15. GFACE. MONKEY MAGIC. RUPERT BROOKSO. TOOLDYOUTODIEYOUNG. ODER 1001.
JACK BAUER.
I understand that for many of you, the invasion ordered by the criminal and idiot junta to the islands in 1982 is your best excuse to reject the negotiations, however, accept it or not, even after that unforgiven fact, the u. n. has always continued to call both nations to resume the negotiations and find a peaceful solution. Beside, the so called self determination that you love talking about, has never been applied for this cause, not even after the referendum, as it was for other colonial situations, in fact, a few days before that popular consultation, the president from the decolonization committe explained the reasons why self determination is not applicable for this case. On the other hand, this cause has always ben considered like a special case since 1965.
If after all these objetive facts, you prefer insisting on defending self determination for the islanders, you have right to do it, but reality is much more different than the usuall mischievous lectures of many of you.
Respecting the offers of arbitration, the u. k. just offered to submit the cases of the dependencies of the islands to an arbitration, but never the malvinas.
If the sovereignty of the islands would be shared by both countries, neather arg. would be submitted to the will of the u. k., nor viceversa, actualy it would be a fair solution because it would respect the wish of the islanders of remaining under british government, and argentina's sovereign rights.
You all know perfectly that if the u. k. didn't have right to veto at the u. n., it would never be able to do what it has always done with this cause.
On the other hand, the historic aspects of this conflict, are much more complicated than tipicall too partial analysis of many of you, i have explained them in planty of opportunities.
198 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jan 08th, 2014 - 09:19 pm Report abuse
196 Tim

Tony Banks actually received help from a charity called “Combat Stress” in the end. He tells us that :-

“Estimates of the total number of veteran suicides vary. But it is likely that around 500 Argentinians and 300 British ex servicemen have taken their own lives since 1982. Those figures do not include those who have died of drink, drugs or poverty related problems. It is dreadful to think that after all these years - three decades - men from both sides are still suffering and dying as a direct result of the conflict”

Edgardo Esteban again :- “The main problem stems from the fact that the Argentine Army never acknowledged its errors and blamed the conscripts for the defeat. Argentinian society, whcih originally supported the invasion, abandoned us and linked us to the military dicatorship. When the conflict ended , there was no help.”

So there you are Tim, there is still much suffering, even in victory. My only hope is that for the Argetinians who fought, get the juctice that they so far have never had. And here in the UK, we better understand and encourage the troops to stand up and say “I have a problem” otherwise, there will be lots and lots more suffering from the veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan.
199 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 08th, 2014 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
Axle Aargh

Boring.

How often are you going to repeat the same issues over and over again?
You never have shown proper evidence for your claims, and you points have been refuted several times, successfully.
We are not obligated to argue with you every time you re-post unsubstantiated statements.

However, I have noticed the new change you have made recently. You now imply that Britain's veto is somehow 'unfair'.
This is echoed by other zombies in your 'Army of Darkness'.

For a start, vetoes have nothing to do with your “Malvinas” ( whatever they are) claims.

Apparently, according the Islands' inhabitants and owners:
They are not yours.
You have never possessed them.
No Argies have any history of living there as a culture.
Nobody wants you there

and there is no reason for them to speak to you about giving you either full or partial control over the Islands that are their homes and livelihood, owned 100% by them, which they are free to do with 100% as they please, simply because you feel they should be yours.

However, I don't know why you are asking us or the UK.
You really should ask a Falkland Islander.
They are willing to give you a clear and concise answer.
200 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jan 08th, 2014 - 10:03 pm Report abuse
197 axel arg

Oh axel, axel, AXEL!!! There already IS a peaceful solution...... We have had a military base on the Falkland Islands for 30 years and look!! no more invasion.

Now I am quite happy for some of my taxes to be used to pay for this base if it ensures the freedoms and peace of British citizens. The majority of people that I talk to about this are also happy for it to continue.

There, end of story. Problem solved!!

And as for you or the UN suggesting that the Falkland Islanders “Are not a people” and somehow, their views “Don't count” Then, please if I could quote Mr Beedle from Charles Dickens's Oliver! and say that “The law is an ass!”

Shame on you axel!!! Shame on you, that you would take away the right of 3,000 people so casually!! Shame on you U.N to say that they do not have a voice. Theirs are the ONLY rights that count in this matter. You would do well to remember that.
201 Jack Bauer (#) Jan 08th, 2014 - 10:57 pm Report abuse
Axel (# 197), now you've really put your foot in it ; just tell me one thing, “what in hell justifies Argentina's claim to the islands ?” and the UN ??” screw it ! today, it's as useful as a fart on a curtain-rail... full of left-wing idiots, who as far as I'm concerned, are just there to push their own agenda, and have lost their legitimacy to represent anything worthwhile.
202 Oder 1001 (#) Jan 08th, 2014 - 11:16 pm Report abuse
197 axel arg
It is clear you understand very little !there was absolutely no good reason for the invasion ( just Argentine stupidity and brinkmanship) and I support open talks with no preconceived ideas to what the out come will be, as for decolonisation only the people who are colonised have the right to determine what political status they wish to be, neither the UK or Argentina are the colonised. “to resume the negotiations and find a peaceful solution.” Yes it does but you missed the important part “taken into account the wishes of the islanders which is ”paramount” do you understand what the word means? it means the islanders interest are more important than Argentina`s or the UK interests in this case. the UN recognises the UK as the legitimate authority over the islands, all it requires is for Argentina to go to court and prove it is the legitimate authority, you don`t need the UK there you have all the evidence the UN will declare the British presence on the islands illegal and talks on sovereignty can start the following week, there is a world map in the Vatican its dated around the early 1700s it show`s the islands and named as the Falkland's Islands were internationally known then and this was 120 years before the state of Argentina existed 70 years before Spain was given the French settlement on the Falkland Islands. Self determination is a core principle of the UN and people who believe in it will certainly stand by it and Argentina signed it when the joined in 1945, it is now for them to persuade the UN why its not legal in relation to the islands and have it redefined to accommodate Argentina`s ambition. No UN official has stated the Falkland islanders have no right to self determination, they have said the wishes of the islanders are paramount, The UN will not support a change in the status of the islands without the islanders agreement to it.
203 Tim (#) Jan 09th, 2014 - 02:51 am Report abuse
198 toooldtodieyoung . Thanks for your comment; I didn't know about “Combat Stress” which I have just Googled. I'm deputy chairman of the local RBL; no new veterans and those we do have are WWII and diminishing fast.

Edgardo is correct, the veterans from here have been totally ignored by society in spite of their camping out in Plaza de Mayo in front of the “Pink House”. For the army to blame the conscripts for loosing the battle is a case of a poor workman blaming his tools.
204 GFace (#) Jan 09th, 2014 - 04:26 am Report abuse
@197: You're REALLY starting to creeping us out. How many times does a girl have to say no for you to get it through your thick skull that she's not only that into you, but not into you at ALL!

All resolutions and charter and points of law make it clear that she gets to chose who to date and who to be friends with.

Your not-so-“secret” deal when ran against her got a NO from her. Her big brother listened to her and respects her. You DON'T. You proved THAT in 1982 when you raped her and beat her up. Remember that? The whole WORLD told you NO! And you got the crap beaten out of you, and though you proudly reminisce that day, you insist that you weren't “yourself” so it's ok for you to keep stalking her.

In 2008 the world made it clear. EVERY GIRL IN TOWN CAN SAY NO and it's a fundament right to say no. They don't have a “right to shut up” as you insist. Stop lying about it.

You have a C24 filled with like-minded creeps who, like you, want to hold onto girls even when they say no to them after they ask them (Tokelau comes to mind) when they are just fine with the status quo or find the alternative well.. like 1982 which you insist we forget. We see through them.

You have neighbors who are glued to you until continental drift gives them relief from your obsession who have to pander to you, because you are, frankly, unstable. Really really unstable.

But guess what. They quietly and politely smile at her, are respectful to her, and she is nice back. Must drive you crazy, eh?

But she said no to you. And no means no. What part of “NO” don't you understand. Two letters in alphabetical order that mean the same thing in both english and spanish. There are no excuses for getting it wrong.

There are prisons FILLED with people who think like you. And no one bought their story either.

No. Means. No. And yes. she gets to say it. And her opinion is the ONLY one that matters.

You really are a sick f***, Axel. Just leave the girl alone.
205 lsolde (#) Jan 09th, 2014 - 06:46 am Report abuse
Axel-el stupido-arg,
All this has been explained to you many times, Axel-dear.
Not going to waste anymore time with you,
Shut up right now & go back to bed,
You're a Moron, boy.
206 GeoffWard2 (#) Jan 09th, 2014 - 10:02 am Report abuse
GFace #204,
a succinct and powerful argument using the analogy that even trolls might understand.

Children are brought up from early childhood to 'Just say “No!”' to predatory adults.
Such adults are imprisoned for actual illegalities; many are placed in psychiatric hospital - even in solitary confinement to protect them from other defective inmates.
They are shunned by normal people, forever 'Listed' by their national and local administrative centres.

It is unfair to blame totally the Argentinian conscript for 1982, but it is absolutely fair to treat the leaders, both military and political, even today - especially today - as akin to rapists.
Raping a nation, a community, is one step up from raping the individual people.

If only the Argentinian Malvinistas and trolls could open their minds
and see themselves as 'rapists',
they might get some insight into the way they are viewed in the Islands and in the world at large.
207 GFace (#) Jan 09th, 2014 - 01:02 pm Report abuse
@206 It's a a brutish and I have to say (and apologize) a very insensitive analogy to be sure. I had to think before hitting “send.” I had a much tamer “office politics” analogy a while back. But there's such a shocking bubble of cluelessness as to how the sick Malvanista mentality appears to outsiders who don't have the anti-west or anti-Norte bias hardwired in. We hear about how they say they are reformed but just try it in the “parole hearing” (my @101 above). And I'm sure we'll get a ”the b*tch (and her bro) were leading us on,“ i.e., the oooohhhh ”secret“ not so secret memo that Axel talks about. He keeps saying the same lies over and over again when we know the facts to the contrary. I'm sure he STILL doesn't get it? ”Who me/us? But we looooooove her (except when she says no).“ And of course he and the rest will lie about how they just want to ”talk“ but NEVER with the the Islanders ”We just want to talk to her brother, but not her... since we know she'll say no and when she's in the room we know that her brother won't ignore her.” And of course they won't dare step into court, the ICJ, since his record is there for all to see. Such pathetic and sick Malvanazis, I don't care how thoughtful Axel pretends to be he's just another one of them.
208 Teaboy2 (#) Jan 10th, 2014 - 04:37 am Report abuse
The British lion doesn't need to roar at them... We got God's wrath on our side - uk.news.yahoo.com/argentina-three-killed-lightning-strike-025428628.html#0ZmCITk

Condolences to the families of those that lost there lives though.
209 Jack Bauer (#) Jan 10th, 2014 - 01:55 pm Report abuse
Axel, still waiting for a reply....”why do you think the Argies have any right to the Falklands ? your silence says everything.....and do us all a favour - don't bother trying to answer...
210 Philippe (#) Jan 10th, 2014 - 02:29 pm Report abuse
The heart of the matter is Argentina's usurpation of Martin Garcia Island- or not?

Philippe
211 Jack Bauer (#) Jan 10th, 2014 - 03:43 pm Report abuse
Phillipe, sorry, haven't caught on to your comment... what has the fact that Martin Garcia Island belongs to Argentina (via Treaty signed with Uruguay in 1973) got to do with their unfounded claim to the Falklands ?
212 lsolde (#) Jan 10th, 2014 - 09:21 pm Report abuse
Just that Argentina believes that everything that they want belongs to them.
Other dastardly peoples have taken it off them.
Wonder that they haven't claimed the Moon.
After all, it shines on Argentina, it must be theirs! lol lol lol.
213 Pete Bog (#) Jan 10th, 2014 - 10:27 pm Report abuse
@197

“e president from the decolonization committe explained the reasons why self determination is not applicable for this case.”

So this person overules Ban Ki Moon who insists that all Non self governing territories have the right to determine their own futures?

I've got news for you axel-the decolonisation committees remit is and always has been to promote independence of those territories from their former colonisers and no way is the decolonialisation commitee the ultimate authority in the UN.

You need to study the structure of the UN a bit more chay.

“Beside, the so called self determination that you love talking about, has never been applied for this cause, not even after the referendum, as it was for other colonial situations,”

FALSE.

Can you explain why in 2008 the UN overuled Argentine and Spanish efforts to rule out self determination for NSGTs?

This proves what you have said above is a complete untruth.
214 Philippe (#) Jan 10th, 2014 - 10:29 pm Report abuse
#205 & #211
Please take note:
1. Isolde is always right
2. Treaties signed with guns pointed against you, are just scraps of paper!

Philippe
215 Jack Bauer (#) Jan 11th, 2014 - 12:37 pm Report abuse
Isolde, thanks for your # 212.....makes sense....Philippe, yr # 214 as well.
216 axel arg (#) Jan 11th, 2014 - 10:09 pm Report abuse
MY ANSWER.
I have never justified the invasion of 1982, in fact, many people in this forum know perfectly what i think about it.
In relation to self det., i just recommend you to have a look to all the u. n.'s resolutions, and you'll see that it was applied for different colonial situations, but never for this cause. In fact, i recommend you also to read the statements of all the lawmakers from the islands before the u. n., especially norma edward's of june 24th of 2010, where she complains about the fact that this cause has always been considered like a special case at the decolonization committee, you can find her statement in the news archive of this website. On the other hand, haven't you wondered yet why even after the result of the referendum, nothing has changed at the u. n., in refference to this cause?, i have, and maybe you all should do the same.
In relation to the idea of submitting the case to an arbitration, you all already know what i think about it, in fact, read my comment 197 again. In my opinion i think that you all should take into account the objetive facts that i mention in that comment, about the idea of an arbitration, if you want to make a serious analysis of this conflict.
Respecting the historic arguments of arg., they are too long to explain them here, but i'll just tell you that after having investigated for 4 years, i have the conclusion that both countries have rights over the islands in 1833 (discovery and papal bulls are very weak arguments).
In the case of the u. k., it's rights were based on a secret article included in the nootka sound convention of 1790, and in the case of arg., it's rights were derived of the sucession of states, that's why, the u. k. should have negotiated a peaceful solution with arg., or maybe share the sovereignty of the islands, instead of depriving our country as it did in 1833, there is much more to say about this conflict.
217 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 12th, 2014 - 02:20 am Report abuse
216 Axle Aargh

”Respecting the historic arguments of arg., they are too long to explain them here, but i'll just tell you that after having investigated for 4 years, i have the conclusion that both countries have rights over the islands in 1833 (discovery and papal bulls are very weak arguments).“

Axle,

Please tell me what ”investigate“ means in Spanish and English?

Like you, Snr. Cedron seems to think he knows, but he does not seem to use the word correctly, either.

Tell me, do you research and gather evidence systematically, and try to compare conflicting evidence from different sources to come to an objective conclusion?
Do you then compile a Bibliography and a list of links so that readers and investigators following you can understand your reasoning and confirm your findings?

Wouldn't an Investigator and an Academic like yourself, do that??

Or do you prefer to portray yourself as an ”Intellectual Thinker”, whatever that would be?
218 Oder 1001 (#) Jan 12th, 2014 - 02:32 pm Report abuse
the Nookta agreement was in 1790 between the UK and Spain, 30 years before the state of Argentina existed, what equal legitimate claim could the UP, Rio del Plata have 30 years later? the referendum has nothing to do with the UN other than the inhabitants have expressed their wish to remain British and that the articles of the UN Charter were honoured by the British, the decolonizing committee have not (and legally can`t) proclaim it was illegal, the day to day life continues in the islands that has the fastest expanding GDP anywhere in Latin America, Argentina`s historical claim is extremely weak. it is politically naïve of Argentines to demand talks where the outcome has to be in Argentina favour before talks begin, no one will negotiates from this position, Argentina had a golden opportunity to distance themselves from the Junta`s invasion and start afresh but your successive democratic governments proved to be no less aggressive than the Junta the results are the reality the islanders will never now accept any notion of sharing the islands with Argentina, the other option is Argentina can hope and pray the UK will turn their backs on the islands and walk away. Argentines need to learn and make friends with the islanders and in time you might be able to come to some agreement with them, alternatively you can invaded again! you know what the results will be , the only other option is the ICJ Argentina refuses to use it, it is going to be a very long time before Argentina is accepted as friend.
219 GFace (#) Jan 12th, 2014 - 07:29 pm Report abuse
@216: NO Means NO you skeevy little stalker. End. Of. Story. Game. Over.

The vote you Malvanazis lost in 2008 was for ALL NGSTs and was brought up when no “special” cases were on the agenda specifically to get your Poland and Spain's Czechoslovakia dehumanized so you could do whatever you wanted to them. The C24 ignores it as much as you do to their peril. No one takes them seriously wrt the Falkands except for ever hopeful fascists like you. If there was a special case why then did your people goose-step into they ICJ to stop it? Because they have no case in the 21st century where self-determination is no longer trumped by cold war realpolitik or petty fascists like you needing validation.

All resolutions that you and your fellow fascists lie about incessantly take the islanders interests into account. There is only one country that does that in this dispute, and it isn't Argentina. The UN has said all along they had that right. The world will never make the mistake of Munich or Yalta again and give free people to lying thugs like you ever again.

Stop lying to us and most importantly stop lying to yourself.

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