Brazilian ex presidents discussing the outcome of the political situation

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Three ex Brazilian presidents are holding talks on the future of the country following what seems the inevitable outcome of the current political situation with deep differences between the political system and the Judiciary. Read full article

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REF: “Fernando Henrique Cardoso, Lula da Silva, and Jose Sarney, are reported by local media to have met several times, and are in search for a consensus on the political future and Michel Temer's condition”:

Nice to know that Brazil is in good hands of the FOUR Godfathers [one can't leave out Collor!].: https://i0.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Corroido-por-ratos.jpg?resize=580%2C365
May 26th, 2017 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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Jack Bauer
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Good observation....why leave Collor out ? in what way, were his crimes - which lead to his impeachment in 1992 - any less worse than those that Lula is being accused of - in 6 Federal cases , and about to be condemned in the first (still to be ruled upon)...
Sarney's reputation has been long tarnished by his actions and those of his family oligarchy that has dictated the rules in Maranhão for the last 60 years, not to mention he has also been denounced in the “Lavajato”....FHC, while having kept his nose relatively clean, is the only one left, who still commands some respect amongst most Brazilians.
It is a sad state of affairs when it boils down to the fact that some people still think Sarney and Lula are worthwhile being listened to....Sarney just wants to save his butt, and Lula is only interested in manipulating events so that he can escape Moro's claws, and run for president in 2018....and re-install his gang in government.
May 26th, 2017 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Brasileiro
You live by crimes, not honesty.

You make Brazil smaller, as you are.
May 26th, 2017 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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FINALLY, the “Good Bays” will SooooN be back again: https://i2.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Brasil-com-FHC-Lula-e-Sarney-1.jpg?resize=580%2C417
May 27th, 2017 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Jack Bauer
@BrassHole
Crawled out from under your rock, have you ? may I suggest that you wake up and put your brain in gear before you open your piehole...

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Sad state of affairs when a country has to stoop to that level...
May 27th, 2017 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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The country is not just stooping to THAT level; it is diving towards chaos and yet the leaders continue to fool around, trying to protect their own political & financial interests: https://i0.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Muito-suja.jpg?resize=580%2C397
May 28th, 2017 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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Jack Bauer
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When you think that nothing worse can happen....it does.
Você já percebeu a semelhança entre a m*rda que está acontecendo agora, e o que aconteceu no final de '63/início '64 ? (quase) total descontrole, inquietação social, exageros e abusos de grupelhos esquerdistas, políticos que não estão nem aí ?
May 28th, 2017 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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EXACTLY!!!: https://i0.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Sem-t%C3%ADtulo-2.png?resize=511%2C420
May 29th, 2017 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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Terence Hill
Jack Bauer aka Proof less & Truth less
Oh! goodie you’d better get your Ação Integralista uniform out of storage. Then standby for the next “Pyjama Putsch” attempt.
May 30th, 2017 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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REF: “the outcome of the political situation”:
- Dismantle ALL Operations/Investigations
- Pardon politicians + compensate for their “hardships”[!]
- Increase their Protection+Privileges+Salaries+Benefits
May 30th, 2017 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Jack Bauer
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If they had their way, they'd probably put Dilma back in power....after all, according to the greatest legal expert in the world, and who loves to give his 'palpites' on this forum, she was undoudtedly one of the greatest presidents ever......
Mas você conseguiu escutar alguma bobagem vindo do esgoto ? parecia algo como “Pyjama Putsch” ....pqp, como esse cara é babaca.....
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REF: “Pyjama Putsch” :o)) : http://othes.univie.ac.at/9275/1/2010-03-30_9809740.pdf
May 30th, 2017 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Jack Bauer
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A bit long, but I get the gist of it....
'é, esse babaca pensa que sou fascista....só porque eu penso que em '64, a opção militar era melhor do a comunista'.....let the twit think what he wants...
May 31st, 2017 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Terence Hill
Jack Bauer aka Proof less & Truth less
“The military option was better than the communist”
Just another fabrication you and your fellow fascists pander too. Whereas, the historical record tells completely different one.
“However, Goulart’s “crime” is to try to continue Quadros’s independent foreign policy, strongly opposed to the US sanctions against Cuba [a continual act of war now condemned internationally, nearly unamimously with the exception of the US and Israel]. “[Brazil identifies itself] with the democratic principles which unite the peoples of the West” but is “not part of any politico-military bloc”. speech to US Congress, New York Times 4/5/62.
He further angers the US by populist social reforms, although these are pitifully mild. As Goulart pointed out, General Douglas MacArthur had carried out a more radical distribution of land in Japan after WW II than anything planned in Brazil. ..
Inconveniently, the US can point to nothing even remotely threatening done by the Brazilian Communist Party, and early in 1964, Russian leader Khrushchev refuses even token financial aid to Goulart, not wishing to tangle with the US over the country. Brazil Herald, 3/6/64”

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~lormand/poli/soa/brazil.htm
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REF: http://blogs.uai.com.br/olhaso/2017/05/25/pastor-faz-ligacao-telefonica-para-deus-durante-culto-confira/

If THIS is the kind of people Brazil has; none of the kinds of governing/governments can save the country!
Jun 01st, 2017 - 12:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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Jack Bauer
@THick
It is clear you have never lived here, which means you have no idea what Brazil was like in the 60's, so why don't you just get lost ? your insistence that I'm a fascist, your notion that Jango wasn't sucking up to the USSR, besides being boring, is proof that you are just blowing hot air out of your big “derriére”....
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Terence Hill
Jack Bauer aka Proof less & Truth less
“Your insistence that I'm a fascist, your notion that Jango wasn't sucking up to the USSR”
You support a dictatorship, that’s what such people are called. It’s not my notion, but the fact that the record shows you’ve lied as to the cause of the dictatorship. As there was never an insurrection or any conspiracy of one that preceded the dictatorship. Goulart followed a foreign policy of neutrality in an endeavour to give offence to no one. For which the US engineered coup, just like they had interfered in many countries in Americas in a similar fashion. Thats how they conducted their policy at that time. As they frequently referred to such a dictator. “Somoza may be a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anastasio_Somoza_García
Jun 01st, 2017 - 03:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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Maybe T.H. is upset and has a lot of time to waste. Looks like he lost his job too!

By the way, you may have heard that:

No momento em que a palavra “governabilidade” volta a estampar manchetes, surge a lista dos potenciais candidatos para uma potencial eleição:

- Rodrigo Maia
- Henrique Meirelles
- Gilmar Mendes
- Nelson Jobim
- Cármen Lúcia
- Tasso Jereissati
REF: https://www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Coxinha-arrependido-580x392.jpg
Jun 01st, 2017 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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Terence Hill
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Bonehead comment by an aptly named Bonehead
Jun 01st, 2017 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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TH, sorry, U lost your job.
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Jack Bauer
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I'd bet Terry is upset and supports thieves like Lula because he too, is incapable of getting,
far less holding on to, a decent job....he probably relies on handouts from family or whichever government he lives under.....he's probably unemployed, has no skills other than speaking out of his “derriére”, and people keep away from him due to his unpleasantness and his cocky attitude....had the displeasure of meeting a few idiots like that during my lifetime, and it was just a matter of time before they were shunned by normal people.
“os únicos nomes que são palatáveis são os do Meirelles e da Carmen Lúcia”...

@THick
Your opinion is worthless as you cannot prove anything you claim.. to have even the remotest link to credibility, first you need to prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that you lived here before, and during the military regime...otherwise your bs is mere speculation based on hearsay.
So, tell us :

Where were you living during the 60's and for the rest of the military regime ?
Jun 01st, 2017 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Maybe TH is upset because he “Missed the BOAT”: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/01/brazil-operation-car-wash-is-this-the-biggest-corruption-scandal-in-history

TH; Pl. don't worry too much - there will be many more opportunities in the near future. Just hang on to “Your Crowd”. Except you, they seem to be doing Very Well!
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Terence Hill
Jack Bauer aka Proof less & Truth less
“I’d bet” Thereby, confirming the old adage ‘that a fool and his money are soon parted.’
“Your opinion is worthless as you cannot prove anything you claim.”
On the contrary unlike you I have never made any claim without supporting evidence. Go on produce any proof to refute this assertion.
“Where were you living during the 60's and for the rest of the military regime ?”
I have already told you but you’re to stupid to remember.
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Fx you and the horse you rode into town on.
Jun 01st, 2017 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Jack Bauer
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Have you noticed how easily Terry, the numbnuts, gets riled ?
If he ever told me where he lived in the 60's, I don't remember, as no doubt it was not worthwhile remembering.....but instead of just being himself - so rude and arrogant - why didn't he just tell us once again ?.... for the benefit of all that are obliged to put up with him on this forum..
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DemonTree
Apparently TH is Canadian, so most probably he was living in Canada in the 60s.

Whether you lived there or not, it's impossible to say if the military option was better than the Communist, since the latter never happened. It could have been anything from a less popular version of Lula to revolution Cuba style.
Jun 01st, 2017 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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He makes a [small] part of the silent, ignorant, misguided AND brainwashed majority! The “Good News” FOR him is that: The meek shall inherit The Earth [don't know “when”].
Jun 02nd, 2017 - 01:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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Terence Hill
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“He makes a [small] part…”
The only contribution a wing-nut like you has shown is to post links to cartoons and endlessly repeat that there are problems in Brazil. Bonehead my name and Bonehead as to originality.
Jun 02nd, 2017 - 03:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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But of course, there are NO problems in Brazil! :o))
Jun 02nd, 2017 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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DemonTree
“Bonehead my name” - Freudian slip? ;)
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It's a DT [total] Slip! :o))
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Terence Hill
DemonTree
Touché, perhaps who knows. It is certainly ’an error on the face of it” as such inadvertence’s are referred to.
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Jack Bauer
@DT
Well, if that is true, it is then obvious he has absolutely no first-hand experience of events in Brazil in the early 60’s, and relies 100% on what he reads to make his claims…which are probably based on leftist revisionist versions of such events.

“…it's impossible to say if the military option was better than the Communist, since the latter never happened.”
Unless you have a crystal ball, of course it’s impossible to say what would be better “before” the event….but that does not invalidate one’s perception of reality…faced with the probability of one or the other possibility, it’s quite normal prefer one, depending how you feel about them…anyway, despite the fact that whatever I thought would have no bearing on events, we had a good idea of what might happen based on Soviet communism – already at work in Cuba, an option defended by only a few hundred….hardly representative of the whole population. The fact that I was ok with the military, versus the possibility of soviet communism, was because it seemed more palatable, the lesser of two evils ; it hardly makes me a fascist, any more than it makes those who didn’t know what to think, communists. And in time, most people realized that the military were not out to make everyone’s life a living hell, except for those who tried, unsuccessfully, to topple them.

“It could have been anything from a less popular version of Lula to revolution Cuba style”
Seems you’re thinking that perhaps something between a ‘light’ version of Bolivarianism, like in VZ , and Cuban-style communism, would be acceptable ? is that really what you think ? as far as I am/was concerned, anything similar to Cuban-style communism was not an option.
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Terence Hill
Jack Bauer aka Proof less & Truth less
“but that does not invalidate one’s perception of reality…faced with the probability of one or the other possibility,”
Hey Bozo perhaps it should because your reception is in cuckoo-land as there was no insurrection planned other than the military and the US. Other your unsupported nonsense claim.
“The 1964 Brazilian coup d'état … that led to the overthrow of President João Goulart by part of the Brazilian Armed Forces, supported by the United States government.” From Wikipedia,
“Inconveniently, the US can point to nothing even remotely threatening done by the Brazilian Communist Party, … Brazil Herald, 3/6/64
“Footnote: extending into the 1980s, the military dictatorship has much more intensive trade, economic cooperation, and diplomatic relations with the Soviet Union (billions of dollars per year, state visits, etc.) than the elected nonaligned Quadros/Goulart government did. http://www-personal.umich.edu/~lormand/poli/soa/brazil.htm
Jun 03rd, 2017 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Jack Bauer
@THick as a brick
See you haven't denied DT's suggestion that “Apparently TH is Canadian, so most probably he was living in Canada in the 60s.”
Probably in Montreal, reason why you are familiar with the word “derrière” , which is where you speak from...
FYI, 'extending into the 1980's', the military regime had commercial and diplomatic relations with dozens of countries....including the USSR...you should know that the development of such relations over the years, is quite normal....once again you take something out of context and try to prove something....you failed, again.
Anyway 'Bozo', your 'opinion', 'cause that's all it is, doesn't interest me.
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Terence Hill
Jack Bauer aka Proof less & Truth less
So windbag, as per usual you spout your own speculations, about subjects you know absolutely nothing about. Therefore, confirming two facts. One your ignorance and two you’re a compulsive liar. So the only people you might con are the decidedly lame.
“once again you take something…” I reported the opinion of Eric Lormand, of University of Michigan who has researched the matter.
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