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Brazil's speaker of the Lower House also wants to run for the presidency

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The speaker of Brazil’s lower house of Congress, Rodrigo Maia, said he will run for the presidency with a market-friendly platform advocating tax cuts and more efficient public spending. Maia’s preliminary nomination by his centre-right Democrats party, the main ally to President Michel Temer, must be formalized at a convention in late July. Read full article

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  • :o))

    Who DOESN'T want to be the President of Brazil?
    The ONLY hope is: “May the LEAST CROOKED win”!

    Mar 13th, 2018 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    Maia has been accused in the Lava Jato, I can't see him doing well at the polls.

    Mar 13th, 2018 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    A dozen candidates and hundreds of “unfulfillable” promises are what we hear every 4 years....The most “popular” candidates will be the ones that lie the most, promise the impossible and claim they'll spend Brazil out of the recession...then the people complain about what they get. If people can't separate the BS from what is plausible, or interpret the candidates' true intentions based on their political record, it's just going to be the blind voting in more scum.

    @DT
    Need space to reply to you regarding the post “Prosecution wants Temer included in Odebrecht investigation”

    Mar 13th, 2018 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    This threads closing is annoying, but why didn't you just reply above? Anyway, now you have space, but out of interest, which of the many possible candidates do you think are the scummiest?

    Mar 13th, 2018 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @DT
    (Cont of previous post - tks)
    Look at the nbr of attacks in Europe over the last 3 yrs, v. the US… think that sizes it up pretty well. Even if anti-terrorism legislation/technology’s similar, I’d say the US has been more successful. But let’s not get ahead of ourselves…the dangers Bzl faced in ‘63, and today’s terrorist attacks bear little resemblance.
    Regardless of yr belief that the military didn’t have majority “support”, they were sufficiently satisfied to NOT be inclined to fight…give me a ‘bit’ of credit, I was there, I know what the general mood was…maybe not brimming with happiness, but thankful law & order had been restored, and prepared to respect it. The feelings of the radical few were not shared by the 150 million.
    The poor were definitely less informed than today, and probably had little idea of what was going on, or even felt ‘change’. The AI-5 “was” definitely created to fight the revolutionaries …d’you think the military needed a law to legitimize the take over ?
    The will of the majority transformed eventually in to the desire for free elections, and only became apparent in the early 80’s…to the point that Figueiredo (last military president) actually signalled the return of power to the civilians.
    “Sure they put up with the military and were probably happy about whatever development happened, but when they had a choice they elected very different people”…
    We know that even today, the population is not highly educated, nor particularly “well”-informed, so imagine back then…it was obviously far easier to manipulate them, given the comparative lack of communication. Most Brazilians were led to believe Lula would be their savior, but look how things turned out…the people in the sh*t ‘n Lula closer to prison. Think Dilma might be able to run as she didn’t finish her 2nd term.

    Today, by what I've seen, Alckmin is probably a reasonable candidate ; the rest, AFAIC, are populists and /or opportunists. But let's see who else appears.

    Mar 13th, 2018 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    I don't think the number of attacks proves much, because it's easier for the terrorists to get into Europe than across the Atlantic, and unfortunately there are more resentful/brainwashed/whatever Muslims here for IS to recruit.

    According to the British police they have prevented lots of attacks; I don't know how that compares to the US but I think some countries in Europe may have started out less up to speed on terrorism in the first place, however I assume they're doing better now.

    “The AI-5 “was” definitely created to fight the revolutionaries …d’you think the military needed a law to legitimize the take over ?”

    Well yeah, I do. Judging by them still holding elections, changing President every few years (although chosen by the military behind the scenes instead of elected), and allowing one opposition party, they wanted to maintain at least the appearance of democracy. Besides, how does closing down Congress, taking over State governments, and summarily sacking elected representatives and judges help them fight a few hundred armed revolutionaries? And why censorship of the press? Sounds more like they believed the 'uneducated, uninformed' population would elect communists given half a chance.

    As for being there, sure you know how you felt, and people around you. But I'm here in Britain now, and I wouldn't have believed there was so much support for Brexit if they hadn't held a vote. Maybe you knew a wider variety of people than me, but anyway, not fighting the military is common sense, but not the same thing as supporting them.

    Has Alckmin been accused of anything? I know Lula, Temer, and Maia have, not sure about Meirelles. Regardless, they're all quite unpopular except Lula. What do you think of Jair Bolsonaro and Marina Silva? They seem to be the front runners assuming Lula is banned.

    Mar 13th, 2018 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
    “The possibility of the then president aligning himself with the USSR and given the options of communism or the military…d’you think the military needed a law to legitimize the take over ?” Is simply the US party line, ergo, as there is no evidence to support such a view . As “Quadros independent foreign policy, strongly opposed to the US sanctions against Cuba [a continual act of war now condemned internationally, nearly unanimously with the exception of the US and Israel]. “[Brazil identifies itself] with the democratic principles which unite the peoples of the West” but is “not part of any politico-military bloc”. speech to US Congress, New York Times 4/5/62.
    “Gordon served as U.S. Ambassador to Brazil (1961–66), where he played a major role for the support of the opposition against the government of President João Goulart and during the 1964 Brazilian coup d'état. On March 27, 1964, he wrote a top secret cable to the US government, urging it to support the coup of Humberto de Alencar Castelo Branco with a “clandestine delivery of arms“ and shipments of gas and oil, to possibly be supplemented by CIA covert operations.[14] Gordon believed that Goulart, wanting to ”seize dictatorial power“, was working with the Brazilian Communist Party. Gordon wrote: ”If our influence is to be brought to bear to help avert a major disaster here--which might make Brazil the China of the 1960s--this is where both I and all my senior advisors believe our support should be placed.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Gordon#Brazil_and_Latin_America_(1960–67)
    So while you were content to sell out your country men into bondage. Relying on the dictates of US foreign policy, which given the time. Was much more odious than anything that imperial Britain had contemplated, even two hundred years earlier.

    Mar 14th, 2018 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • :o))

    The shape of things to come - S00N, Very S00N!: “G.M. suspende depoimentos da Operação Ponto Final”:
    REF: https://veja.abril.com.br/blog/radar/gilmar-mendes-suspende-depoimentos-de-operacao-ponto-final/

    Mar 14th, 2018 - 01:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @Terry the Liar
    More misleading quoting, Terry? Haven't you learned your lesson? Jack wrote this:

    “The AI-5 “was” definitely created to fight the revolutionaries …d’you think the military needed a law to legitimize the take over ?”

    And somehow it turns into this in your quote?

    “The possibility of the then president aligning himself with the USSR and given the options of communism or the military…d’you think the military needed a law to legitimize the take over ?”

    Was the first bit something Jack wrote earlier? If so why are you replying to it again now? Can't you be even the tiniest bit original instead of rehashing old arguments again and again?

    As for your quote, Brazil becoming like China was rather farfetched, but would have been a lot worse than the military dictatorship. Try reading up on the Cultural Revolution some time. And the rest is nonsense as usual; “content to sell your country men into bondage”? JB wasn't part of the military junta, what was he supposed to do, become a revolutionary like Dilma? And how was the US sponsoring coups possibly worse than Britain taking over countries completely?

    @ :o))
    Gilmar Mendes should be investigated himself before he judges anyone else. Also, google translate is taking the piss now; it's started translating names so the comments appear to be written by 'Mark' and 'John' instead of Marcos and João.

    Mar 14th, 2018 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    “More misleading quoting” I’ve shown what he has stated.
    “As for your quote, Brazil becoming like China was rather farfetched” Is not my quote but that of US Ambassador Lincoln Gordon. My point being that JB claims much but is unable to support his claim. Whereas I’m showing other than US claims there is no evidence in Brazil. In fact the reverse is true. “The US can point to nothing even remotely threatening done by the Brazilian Communist Party” http://en.mercopress.com/2018/03/03/falklands-second-flight-interest-from-brazil-chile-and-uruguay-airlines/comments#comment484842
    “JB wasn't part of the military junta” But, he is responsible of dispensing a false narrative and his own words.
    “..'Military dictatorship'
    ….. they did it to prevent Brazil from being handed over to the communists. ... the Military , s… I hope they DO take over...”
    “How was the US sponsoring coups possibly worse than Britain taking over countries completely?”
    What the US does is a violation of international law, while the UK wasn’t. It just doesn’t stop there.
    Dan Mitrione ... US AID, 1971 report Tortures range …the end of a reed is placed in the anus of a naked man hanging suspended downwards on the pau de arara [parrot’s perch] and a piece of cotton soaked in petrol is lit at the other end of the reed. Pregnant women are forced to watch their husbands being tortured. Other wives are hung naked beside their husbands and given electric shocks on the sexual parts of their body, ... Children are tortured .. At least one child, the three month old baby of Vergilio Gomes da Silva is reported to have died under police torture. … Amnesty International, 1974
    h ttp://www-personal.umich.edu/~lormand/poli/soa/brazil.htm

    Mar 14th, 2018 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    “I’ve shown what he has stated.” No you didn't, show us where in his comment he said what you quoted.

    And when I said 'your quote' I meant the words you quoted, dummy, which incidentally support JB, since Gordon said US influence was being used to avert a major disaster. And JB is just giving his opinion based on him living there through all these incidents, he's not trying to prove anything in court.

    “What the US does is a violation of international law, while the UK wasn’t.”

    What a really stupid thing to say. Just because there wasn't yet a law against something in the past doesn't mean it wasn't wrong. I bet you are one of those idiots who think something is wrong because it's against the law, instead of it being against the law because it is wrong.

    Mar 14th, 2018 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    I’t’s obvious you have a reading comprehension problem since you subscribe to me a statement of US Ambassador. Is stupidity a natural talent or do you have to practice?
    “Gordon said US influence was being used to avert a major disaster” His claim provides absolutely no evidence. At best it is part of a political dogma that believes in the unproven theory of the “Domino Effect. “And JB is just giving his opinion..” JB is proven and discredited liar. “Just because there wasn't yet a law against something in the past doesn't mean it wasn't wrong” Keep dragging those goal-posts around, as such statement is sheer sophistry. So I say again, as I have proven. THERE IS NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE, OF A PLANNED COMMUNIST COUP IN BRAZIL. IT IS SIMPLY, U.S SELF-SERVING NONSENSE.

    Mar 14th, 2018 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    “you subscribe to me a statement of US Ambassador”

    No I didn't, you dimwit. Even if you're confused by simple English, I just explained what I meant and I'm not arguing about it further.

    If Gordon's claim provides no evidence, why did you bother quoting it? For less intellectually challenged people, there are three questions here:

    1. Was a communist revolution really likely?
    2. How likely did people at the time (the Brazilian military, the Brazilian people, the US government) THINK a communist revolution was?
    3. Did any of the above have other reasons for supporting the coup?

    What Gordon wrote in his top secret classified cable to the US government certainly suggests the US government believed a communist takeover was likely, even if the evidence available *now* suggests he was wrong.

    RE wrong vs illegal, you obviously don't have the mental development to grasp the difference, so there is no point pursuing it.

    @JB
    This does raise another question though. You seemed to think the people tortured by the military regime had brought it on themselves by turning to violence, but that report suggests their innocent family members were also tortured.

    Mar 14th, 2018 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    @DT REF: “Gilmar Mendes should be investigated HIMSELF before he judges anyone else”:

    TRUE!

    But the “Brotherhood of Crooks” is stronger & better organized than the disinterested & ignorant masses.

    The Brotherhood already managed to permit - LEGALLY - the corrupt to be the candidates in the forthcoming elections. And to make it even better, their special privileges give them additional protection - to the extent that ultimately, all will be innocent for the lack of concrete proofs. So the “Exciting News” of TODAY, are likely to turn out to be a farce tomorrow.

    Those who are nominally imprisoned:
    - although imprisoned; are enjoying 5-Star Treatments
    - Getting “compensations” from the “brotherhood” for keeping their lips sealed
    - Their sentences are & will drastically be reduced
    - Will plead “innocent” and by the virtue of which:
    : They need not repay a single cent out of money which they had been stealing for nearly twenty or so years.
    : They will also qualify for receiving “OFFICIAL” [Govt. Approved] Compensation for being illegally accused &/or illegally imprisoned.

    Mar 14th, 2018 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    “You did subscribe to me a statement of the US Ambassador” You have changed your tune since you were challenged.
    “If Gordon's claim provides no evidence, why did you bother quoting it?” For the simple reason that it shows the mind set of certain people involved in foreign affairs.
    SO IT IS THE BEST EVIDENCE OF AVAILABLE OF NO EVIDENCE. So to answer your squirming. 1. No 2. They didn’t since, there is no evidence that suggests they did. 3. Yes, selfish political ones, that their favoured position was in jeopardy.

    Mar 14th, 2018 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    @ :o))
    You're way too cynical, even if it's sometimes justified. And you forgot 'all will be innocent, except Lula' (at least as long as it takes to stop him being elected President again. Whether he'll go to prison is a different question.)

    If they do try to give themselves compensation, that would be a good time to rebel.

    @Terry Nasty but Dim
    You misunderstood what I wrote, nothing more.

    RE my three questions, I'm not surprised you have such simplistic answers, though I am surprised you didn't try to 'prove' them with quotes. But “there is no evidence that suggests they did” is clearly untrue; you have just provided some yourself.

    Mar 14th, 2018 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @DT
    OK, agree Europe is more vulnerable....

    Re the AI-5, all I can do is repeat that it was a law made to define the crimes of the revolutionaries and enable the military to prosecute them. The fact is that military’s view on the take-over and the logic of politics in the 60’s were unique solutions to a unique situation in Brazil.
    Don’t think the military were in favor of running the risk of letting more adventurers (civilians) be elected by people who had shown they weren’t the most conscientious of voters (easily and commonly 'bought' by unscrupulous politicians).

    By your “I'm here in Britain now, and I wouldn't have believed there was so much support for Brexit if they hadn't held a vote....” am I to understand that you agree that time can change people’s perception of past events ? Ok, “not fighting the military is common sense, but not the same thing as supporting them” sounds reasonable, so let’s say, perhaps not all supported them, but definitely respected them….enough.

    Alckmin has been mentioned by a whistle blower in an investigation into irregularities in tenders for the SP subway/train system, but so far, nothing’s appeared. Meirelles, as president of Bank Boston had nothing to do with public administration…Bolsonaro hates Lula and all he stands for (good !) but is a bit too radical (not so good)….Marina sat on the fence between Serra and Dilma in 2010, which fried her presidential ambitions.

    Easy to believe the military would have tortured family members in order to catch who they were after.. and the revolutionaries knew they were putting their families at risk…ok, it was a dirty war, and the revolutionaries committed their share of atrocities..

    Mar 14th, 2018 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    ”Don’t think the military were in favor of running the risk of letting more adventurers (civilians) be elected by people who had shown they weren’t the most conscientious of voters (easily and commonly 'bought' by unscrupulous politicians).“

    I suspect that's true, but it's not at all the same thing as stopping armed revolutionaries. More like they thought they knew better than the voters, and should get to decide who runs the country and how it is run.

    RE Brexit, I meant that the referendum showed my impression was wrong. If it hadn't been held, I wouldn't have known. But it's also true that time can change people's perception of events. For example, support for the war in Iraq:

    ”In 2003, YouGov conducted 21 polls from March to December asking British people whether they thought the decision by the US and the UK to go to war was right or wrong, and on average 54% said it was right.

    “Now [2015] only 37% of the public say they believed military action against Saddam Hussein was right at the time, instead of the 54% recorded at the time.”

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/06/03/remembering-iraq/

    Anyway, I do think the various juntas had a significant amount of support, even if not of the majority. Look how quickly the Argentines got rid of theirs after the junta made themselves sufficiently unpopular...

    RE Alckmin, it must be hard to find anyone who wasn't involved. And if Meirelles was working in the private sector that probably just means he was giving bribes rather than accepting them. Bolsonaro sounds awful to me, I wonder whether Marina Silva will gain votes if Lula is blocked from standing?

    “Easy to believe the military would have tortured family members in order to catch who they were after.. ”

    And you still think it would be okay if they took over again??

    Mar 14th, 2018 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage”
    “there is no evidence that suggests they did” This was my response to your statement, which is devoid of any support. How likely did people at the time… THINK a communist revolution was?” You really can’t grasp the basic concept of onuses . Simply posing a question doesn’t presuppose an affirmative answer. In fact it’s quite the contrary. THERE IS NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE, OF A PLANNED COMMUNIST COUP IN BRAZIL. Is therefore true, since I, nor anyone else can find any such evidence showing otherwise.

    Mar 14th, 2018 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Jack Bauer

    @DT
    The fact that the revolutionaries existed, and went to the extremes they did, should make people reflect about what type of government they might have formed had they been successful.....Of one thing I'm sure, they did not have Brazil's best interests at heart, nor were they interested in democracy.
    The polls you mention regarding the war in Iraq, taken before and after, clearly show how opinions can change as things develop, but one thing should be recognized, when the decision is made, it has to be made with the information on hand...to simply criticize, after the event, is refusing to see the whole picture.
    As I’ve said before, in comparison to the Argentine ‘juntas’ , Brazil’s military was 'almost' humane.
    Private banks, not being involved in political indications, had no need to please Tom, Dick or Harry, so are unlikely to be handing out bribes…
    Marina will probably get some votes, but they won’t be very significant. Her profile is quite different to Lula’s.
    I believe that the military would ONLY take over again, if the civilians REALLY screwed things up, for the second time…and if so reluctantly, as they know they weren’t cut out for it. But if they did, and if I’d be OK with it, depends on what the alternative was…it’s all “relative”.

    I see numb nuts can’t stop getting his knickers in a twist…the way he’s going, babbling away in an incomprehensible manner, they’ll soon be round his neck. Want to see his lies and ‘mistakes of fact’ when I reply to one of his previous posts.

    Mar 14th, 2018 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
    “Want to see his lies” I’m not shy about revealing yours, how come you can’t put your money where your mouth is? The last perfect example of yours is your post and none link above this link http://en.mercopress.com/2018/03/03/falklands-second-flight-interest-from-brazil-chile-and-uruguay-airlines/comments#comment484898

    Mar 15th, 2018 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Jack Bauer

    @TH, aka Brain-Less “liar”
    …your previous post :”Which takes us to a page that has absolutely no information on the subject”; Ok, wrong link…instead of calling it a “mistake of fact” like some idiots do, I’ll guide you to the correct one : Google “Luta armada de Esquerda Brasileira”…at the top of the pg, open the link “Luta armada de esquerda no Brasil – Wikipedia, encyclopedia livre”. Plenty of info on Bzln communists….Francisco Julião & “Aliança Operária-Camponesa”; his visit to China (to learn abt Mao), a top member of the Cuban Communist Party’s visit to Brazil, subsequent military training of “Aliança Operária-Camponesa” militants, in Cuba...all well before ’64. Looks like even ‘Jango’ was not ‘left-enough’ for them.

    Interesting that you have mentioned “Quadros independent foreign policy, strongly opposed to the US sanctions against Cuba [a continual act of war now condemned internationally]” and Ambassador Gordon’s role in Brazil …1st, Quadros’ foreign policy simply reinforced his sympathy towards Cuba and the commies. It’s useless to claim now, 50 years later, it was “a continual act of war NOW condemned internationally”…suppose you’ve forgotten the Bay of Pigs, the Cuban missile crisis …why d’you think the US should’ve accepted USSR’s presence in their back yard, while at the same time the USSR allowed none of the US's in theirs ?…suppose you think the cold war was ‘fake’ ?

    And 2nd, you are stupid, as Gordon’s opinion (definitely more credible than yours) supports the US belief Jango wanted to ‘ ”seize dictatorial power“, and was working with the Brazilian Communists” ‘…whether you like it or not, the communists ‘were’ up to something, and it wasn't restoring democracy, as the above link “Luta armada de esquerda no Brasil” shows.
    Your “you were content to sell out your country men into bondage” …what drama !!! you've outdone your stupidity once again, you sophomoric idiot.

    Mar 15th, 2018 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
    “I’ll guide you to the correct one : Google” I’m googling nothing, put up by providing the correct citation like I do.
    In a country of what? 150 million in 1964 of course there’s some communists along with a sundry of other political beliefs. The central question is what the coup claimed for it’s MO, is the so called “communist plot” for which there is no basis in fact, even though I have asked for proof repeatedly.
    “Suppose you’ve .. the Cuban missile crisis” Not at all since I was involved in facilitating a nuclear strike option.
    “US should’ve accepted USSR’s presence in their back yard” Rubbish, none alignment doesn’t mean acceptance in toto of the USSR over the US it means neutrality.
    “Inconveniently, the US can point to nothing even remotely threatening done by the Brazilian Communist Party, and early in 1964, Russian leader Khrushchev refuses even token financial aid to Goulart, not wishing to tangle with the US over the country.” Brazil Herald, 3/6/64
    “Gordon’s opinion” Other than a subjective belief at best, since there are no objective facts to give credence to such a claim. So it is your intention to support the aims of a foreign country’s wishes to subjugate your own country’s ‘self determination’. How decidedly unpatriotic.

    Mar 15th, 2018 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    @Terry the Fantasist
    Can't you do anything for yourself?

    https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luta_armada_de_esquerda_no_Brasil

    Here's some samples (apologies for the google translate):

    “In January 1961, the leader of the Peasant Leagues, Francisco Julião , visited the People's Republic of China, including a delegation of Brazilian lawyers, including Sinval Pereira, a PCB militant, and Aguiar Dias , minister of the former Federal Court of Appeals. In Beijing, Juliao had a private meeting with Chinese leaders who, speaking on behalf of Mao Tse-tung, made him an attractive proposition: to train Peasants' Leftists at the Beijing Military Academy. Julião returned to Brazil and began preparations to set up the group. Three Chinese agents came to Brazil, especially seconded to attend the Leagues, meeting with Juliao in Rio de Janeiro. The plans, however, had to be suspended because of the political crisis that followed the resignation of President Jânio Quadros.”

    “In July 1961, thirteen members of the Peasants' Leagues, who were to receive military training in Cuba, landed in Cuba. Among them, Adalto Freire da Cruz, Paraibano, member of the state committee of the PCB in Pernambuco, designated military commander of the group; Amaro Luís de Carvalho, a militant of the PCB and a student of the Stalin course; Adamastor Bonilha, a PCB militant, and Joaquim Mariano da Silva, also a member of the PCB.”

    As for the rest:

    “Rubbish, none alignment doesn’t mean acceptance in toto of the USSR over the US it means neutrality.”

    JB was talking about Cuba which is in the US's back yard and was hosting Soviet nuclear missiles. Evidently you DON'T know anything about the Cuban missile crisis.

    “Gordon's opinion”

    Sure it's subjective, but as US Ambassador to Brazil his opinion had a considerable influence on US foreign policy. Again, the question is did the US believe a communist takeover was likely, not whether they were right.

    Mar 15th, 2018 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    “Can't you do anything for yourself?” Apparently I do, otherwise who and why do you keep responding too?
    “Here's some samples” Again no credible source, so it’s just a likely to be some CIA disinformation. But regardless, they at best appear to be a handful of ineffectual nobodies from the loony left.
    “Evidently you DON'T know anything about the Cuban missile crisis.” Since I was directly involved, which included an all day full-alert awaiting a ‘go’ command. I know a lot more than you two heroic none-combatants.
    “Again, the question is did the US believe …” Is irrelevant, what is significant is it’s the same justification that Hitler relied on to excuse his excesses.

    Mar 15th, 2018 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Jack Bauer

    @DT
    First of all, thanks for posting the link, and translating it...because it is now evident to all, that Terry, the Brainless Liar, is either not very comfortable with 'surfing the net', or is afraid to have to admit his silly theories are wrong, and even, that he does not really understand Portuguese.......in other words, he is a fake, a badly programmed robot with very limited intelligence.

    Second, as totally expected, he tries to 'wiggle' out of it by claiming “In a country of what? 150 million in 1964 of course there’s some communists along with a sundry of other political beliefs”............exactly what I've been saying all along...the few 100, or perhaps 1000, who became “directly” involved in the armed resistance...and which was preparing itself to 'try' to topple Quadros' government - IF it had lasted - then Jango's, and finally the military's.

    Strange that the “Liar” didn't ask me to prove that Brazil's population was 150 million in 1964...a number which I mentioned off the top of my head (as it is not really important to the point being made)...but the fact is that in the early 60's, Brazil's population was about 82 million.

    And last but not least, did I understand correctly that he is now claiming to have been a top military adviser...??? “ ...since I was involved in facilitating a nuclear strike option”.....wow, his megalomania has really taken charge of his wee brain....next he'll tell us he was Truman's adviser....LOL..

    Mar 15th, 2018 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
    “Which was preparing itself to 'try' to topple Quadros' government”
    Which again there is no credible source of. Secondly, if such scenario existed it would be completely contrary to their supposed aims. They would be considered the worlds most inept tactioners. But, then we would be relying on your interpretation, as the least reliable source on the planet. Who also endorses the ‘Hitler excuse’.
    Some of us were directly involved, while you obviously weren’t.

    Mar 15th, 2018 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    @JB
    I'm sure his seeming inability is due to all three. And it's easy to say now that they were ineffectual, knowing that they were ineffective. Someone could easily have said the same about Che Guevara and Fidel Castro before they succeeded.

    Personally I think the US was overly paranoid about communism back then, and the sanctions on Cuba were excessive, more especially after the collapse of the Soviet Union. But it was a real fear, as the cable shows.

    I daresay TH's 'heroic' service involved sitting in a room waiting to push buttons and help start WWIII... would have been a lot more heroic to refuse IMO.

    But I realise I never replied to your earlier post. The polls on Iraq don't just show that opinions have changed after seeing what a disaster the war was, but also that people have forgotten their earlier feelings, since they now believe they never did support the war, contrary to the facts. I know I opposed it since I marched against it at the time, but if I think back, I had no more idea than anyone else how badly it would turn out. AFAIR my opposition was based on the dubiousness of the WMD claims, the lack of a UN resolution, and the obvious 'hidden' motive for intervention (oil).

    Don't banks give out loans to companies, even state owned ones? I'd say there's some scope for bribery there. Also in hiding the money, but they probably prefer offshore ones for that.

    If Marina wouldn't get Lula's votes then who would? Or would the voters simply stay at home?

    I guess Argentina's junta was so awful that even torturing family members doesn't seem so bad in comparison, but that's not saying a lot. Presumably a military takeover is very unlikely, since there is no threat comparable to the communism in the 60s.

    Mar 15th, 2018 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @DT
    “ Someone could easily have said the same about Che Guevara and Fidel Castro before they succeeded”.......suppose it boils down to underestimating potential threats...

    I believe people in the US may have been overly paranoid, but for the average citizen it would have been difficult to evaluate 'how' paranoid they should have been....down here, several 1000 miles away, we felt 'safer', but nevertheless, the potential threat of communism, was something to think about...

    “... TH's 'heroic' service involved .....” I believe he started his “very” successful military career, involved in the barrack latrines...being promoted to chief swiller after 'only' one year.

    Sure, private banks make loans to the govt and to State-owned companies, but it's the latter that need the banks, not the other way around....not saying that some private companies might not try 'bribing' a bank manager to release a dodgy loan, but with the much tighter controls (in private bks) it's very unlikely to happen...With the official banks (of Brazil, Caixa Economica Federal, BNDES), as they are directly involved in loans to companies providing services to the govt (e.g., Odebrecht), and with political interference, things work kind of differently...as we've seen.

    Lula will name a substitute when he eventually concedes he is out of the race, and whoever that might be, would probably inherit his votes. Funy thing though, several recent polls put Lula's rejection (people who would not vote for him, or his 'post') at about 54 %. Those who aren't satisfied with any candidate can vote blank or annul their vote.

    The only thing that justifies military intervention today, and in only certain places in Brazil, is the fight against organized crime, as in Rio. At the moment there is no political justification for it...IMO.

    @TH, the Brain-less, sophomoric moron
    Now he's bringing Hitler into the picture, and becoming a bit bolder about his being “directly involved”...in what, no one knows.

    Mar 15th, 2018 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
    Latrines may have been as far as you advanced as a reservist wannabe ’week-end warrior’ in the pioneer corp. But, they spent three years training me and it didn’t involve any loo duty.
    “But nevertheless, the potential threat of communism” Since there is nothing in any of the main-stay press, not even a hint. We can write that off as simply your paranoid delusion.
    There is no credible evidence, of a planned communist coup in brazil. it is simply, US self-serving nonsense.
    “Inconveniently, the US can point to nothing even remotely threatening done by the Brazilian Communist Party, and early in 1964, Russian leader Khrushchev refuses even token financial aid to Goulart, not wishing to tangle with the US over the country.” Brazil Herald, 3/6/64

    Mar 15th, 2018 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • :o))

    @DT
    REF: “Maia has been accused in the Lava Jato, I can't see him doing well at the polls”
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-q8ycjMg_j64/T8iQ155AksI/AAAAAAAAIRE/mYLW7INFA8k/s1600/Charge+055.jpg | DON'T BET on the forgetful masses!

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  • DemonTree

    @JB
    It's easy to be wise in hindsight. After the Cuban revolution, Che Guevara went to Bolivia to try and organise a revolution there and it was a disaster. I presume he though he had a chance in Bolivia, and so might anyone else have though so.

    I wasn't really talking about the people in the US being paranoid, but the government. There was that whole McCarthy witch hunt, and the domino theory that if one country became communist, so would their neighbours. None the less, there were obviously other factors, like leftist governments threatening US companies and investments.

    I didn't realise there was such a big difference between the private banks and the official ones. I presume you *would* think bribery likely in the latter?

    Dilma was Lula's candidate but was never as popular, right? He's not left himself much time to name another candidate if he is out of the race, I'd think whoever it is might struggle to get enough recognition. Do you know who the likely options are?

    Have you seen the article today about the murder of the councillor who criticised the police in Rio? Very suspicious, and the military haven't helped in that case. Are things improving at all under them?

    @ :o))
    It's not like they have a great choice of honest candidates. I wouldn't know who to vote for if I was Brazilian.

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  • Enrique Massot

    Once more, Brazil's real powers have resorted to their customary brutality by assassinating Marielle Franco, an exceptional human being if there ever was one.

    The murder was carried in execution-style by professionals that obviously had intelligence support, in the context of the militarization of Rio de Janeiro.

    Thus we see that what started with a parliamentary coup and continued with a judiciary offensive to bar Lula, the most popular candidate, from participating in the October election, is now turning openly deadly.

    But be reassured. In the 1960s and 1970s, these kind of actions were done to protect the Latin American from impending “Communist takeovers.” Now the same thing continues under the guise of protecting electors against their irresponsible potential vote for the “populists.”

    Democracy is good as long as people vote the right way, eh?

    Mar 16th, 2018 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @TH, aka Brainless Liar
    “But, they spent three years training me and it didn’t involve any loo duty.”

    PROVE IT......As you love to repeat, “THERE IS NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE”....“Which again there is no credible source of..”...“?? is proven and discredited liar”....“My point being that ?? claims much but is unable to support his claim”...

    Works both ways numb nuts....

    @DT
    “ It's easy to be wise in hindsight.”....you can say that again.

    “I presume you *would* think bribery likely in the latter?”
    Yes. The “BB” & “CEF” were the 2 banks that Dilma forced to give her government 'illegal' loans, to cover the humongous deficit in 2014 (end of her 1st term), and again in 2015, (beginning of 2nd), and which she did the impossible to hide ; when it became public, she denied it, but it was later proved she did do it, to look good for the 2014 elections....Dilma transferred one of her pals, Bendine, from the post of Pres of the Bank of Brazil, to the presidency of Petrobras....and he is now being prosecuted for receiving millions in bribes from Odebrecht (while pres of BB)...he didn't have time to screw around with PB because Dilma was kicked out, and so was he. Anyway, both banks even misrepresented their 2014 balance sheets so that the loans to Dilma's govt would not be noticed....

    Dilma never inspired the crowds, but she gained from Lula's popularity as everyone knew that she would take no big decisions without Lula's approval.
    The funny thing is that after she was kicked out, on several occasions, and especially when Lula arrived drunk at political rallys, he would blame Dilma for 'breaking” Brazil...a bit ironic, considering she was only following his orders.

    Her execution is all over the news...IMO, most likely committed by the 'milicias', groups of cops and ex-cops (rivals of the drug gangs), also trying to 'control' the slums, because she was trying to create awareness regarding their negative influence.

    Too soon to say. No palpable signs, yet..

    Mar 16th, 2018 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    @JB
    Don't be silly, only other people have to prove things, the burden of proof is never, ever on Hypocrite Hill. If someone else is wrong they're a liar, but if he's wrong it's just a 'mistake of fact'.

    I sure hope he was never given any responsibility, the idea of someone so delusional having even a little power is terrifying.

    Are those two banks publicly owned then if the President has so much power over them? I'm surprised they could afford to loan enough money to cover a 'humongous' deficit, but I suppose this is all money on paper really, just numbers in a computer somewhere. Only the taxpayer will be held liable for it eventually, no matter what happens to the banks.

    Did you see Lula blaming Dilma on video? That does seem very unfair. But I guess she won't be standing again whatever happens, if Lula does have to find another candidate he'd be best to find someone who hasn't been accused of anything, and had the least involvement in corruption possible.

    Mar 16th, 2018 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
    “Unable to support his claim”…” It’s simply astounding the amount of subjects that you know sweet Fanny Adam about but will still opine.
    I was trained in airborne communications and navigation equipment. Was seconded to squadron 18 at RAF Finningley to work with ECM ( Electronic Counter Measures).
    All that is verifiable to wit: AA39405 Vickers Valiant B Mk1, WZ365 18 Squadron RAF Finningley ...w ww.whitepebbleday.com/raf_finningley.htm
    www.whitepebbleday.com/raf_finningley.htm
    No the airforce doesn’t have a pioneer corp, that area of expertise is the domain of the part time service you were in.
    So your still unable to support your claim of a communist conspiracy, so we can assume that issue is put to bed.

    Mar 16th, 2018 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • DemonTree

    What does that prove? Just cos something existed in no way proves you were there, or what you did there. And how the heck old are you anyway?

    Mar 16th, 2018 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage”
    “Just cos something existed in no way proves you were there” Within sixteen minutes of Truthless’s assertion I had furnished the information. Thoughts are either true or false in an absolute sense, never both or neither.” So given how quickly was my response, since it was based on my experience that time. To rebut that, you would have to prove alternatively I’m a better liar than JB. Go on knock your self out, I can a present lot more data if its necessary.

    Mar 16th, 2018 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    No, you just had to find some site that seemed vaguely appropriate and copy a few words, that's pretty much all you do anyway. Present your 'lot more' data, because it is necessary.

    Mar 16th, 2018 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage”
    After we were first put on alert and confined to base. We were gathered in hanger where we given details of were to assemble to be taken to a fallout shelter. Where there was be food supplies for 48 hours. It was then that I realised if it kicked off we were all going to be dead. As anyone with even the scantest of knowledge of radioactivity knew that it took an inordinate amount of time to decay to a safe level. We were on various stages of alert for ten weeks. My commemoration mug that I was presented with when the squadron was dissolved. Is in thumbnail with my name, date and squadron 18. Game, set, and match

    Mar 17th, 2018 - 01:34 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • :o))

    @DT:

    REF: “It's not like they have a great choice of honest candidates. I wouldn't know who to vote for if I was Brazilian”:

    IN CASE OF DOUBT:

    #1: Elect a crook with the least record of being crooked
    #2: Can the “unmanageable” States [ALL of them?] be leased to [supposed to be] a BIT more serious countries?

    Mar 17th, 2018 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    That pic is tiny Terry, it's nothing but blurs. Can you post it somewhere else so I can actually read it? If you don't know how I'll give you instructions.

    @ :o))
    “Can the “unmanageable” States [ALL of them?] be leased to [supposed to be] a BIT more serious countries?”

    France might take Amapa, and I'm sure you could lease half the country to US multinationals, but it wouldn't make it any more manageable.

    Mar 17th, 2018 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Where it somewhere else?

    Mar 17th, 2018 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    https://imgur.com/

    Click on the green button at the top on the left that says 'New Post', and select 'Upload Images' from the dropdown. Then click the 'Browse' button in the middle and find your photograph, or you can drag it into the box. Once it's uploaded and on the screen just paste the address from the browser into your comment here.

    Mar 17th, 2018 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    https://tlhill.imgur.com/all/?third_party=1

    Mar 17th, 2018 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    It says “Welcome to TLHill's profile! Unfortunately, there's nothing to see here.”

    Did you actually upload the picture? Are there settings to make it visible to others? I've never actually made an account there, it's not necessary.

    Mar 17th, 2018 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    https://tlhill.imgur.com/all/?third_party=1
    I’m looking at the image at the above URL, other than what you stated I have never used it before.

    Mar 17th, 2018 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Okay, it says the default setting on profiles is private, so only you can see the picture. To the right of the photo there should be a link like eg 'https://ingur.com/wBSPXO' and a button saying copy. Click that and paste the link in here.

    Mar 17th, 2018 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Anyone can see your albums by going to: https://tlhill.imgur.com

    Mar 17th, 2018 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    That's the same link it was sending me to before, but the picture is finally there, so congratulations.

    I thought it was going to be of the whole mug, not just your profile pic a little bigger. At least I can read it now, though I'm not sure it proves very much. Is Terence Hill your real name then?

    Mar 17th, 2018 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    “Though I'm not sure it proves very much” except that I was in the airforce, with a V bomber squadron when they had the function of maintaining the UK’s independent nuclear deterrent during the Cuban missile crisis. Unlike JB I have never lied, while he rarely tells the truth

    Mar 17th, 2018 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Jack Bauer

    @DT
    Hill the Liar continues to feed us more lies on his fake career in the military...never got beyond latrine cleaner, where thank G, he couldn’t piss out the pot...well, he could, and probably did. But I see where he's trying to go with his lies....that he 'listened in' to all the top secret conversations between the US and Brazil's military in the 60's ?....THAT must be what numb nuts is BS'ing about. He must be in his 90s...explains his advanced senility and why he believes his fiction writing is proof of his 'heroic' mission.
    Funny, I can go to the nearest shopping mall and get a mug with anything I want written on it...Suppose that's also available in Canada.

    The 2 banks (and the BNDES) are owned by the Union (federal Government), so the president (and political allies) gets to indicate president, directors etc...the 'humongous' deficit was, at least officially, about 50 billion USD.

    Re Lula crapping on Dilma's head, there are several....but to see just one, from 'youtube'… link ' https://youtu.be/Jmij9JYFSuE '....it's title, “Lula drunk, blames Dilma for breaking the country”.....and notice that he takes another swig before carrying on with his fantastic speech...it may seem unfair, but to protect himself (or so he thinks), he has to blame someone else...what better scapegoat than Dilma ?
    Trying to find someone 'clean' in the PT, will be kind of hard.....but the PT could always call Terry.

    Mar 17th, 2018 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
    “PROVE IT....more lies on his fake career in the military”
    I have by showing the commemorative tankard with my name, squadron, and year engraved on it at https://tlhill.imgur.com
    I was somebody who was really involved in the fight against Communism. Not a wannabe like you who never served full-time in the military. A big bag of wind who talks the talk. But who has never ever walked the walk. A complete weekend warrior who claims much, but has little or next to nothing to show, just a measly little former shipping clerk. You keep mentioning ‘latrine cleaner’ but that was part of army services provided by the pioneer corp. You claim you were in the army reserves. So such tasks would have lapped at your heels. I don’t recall after basic training ever doing such a task. But, thats probably because subsequent promotions removed me from such activities

    Mar 17th, 2018 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @JB
    Now you can be in the RAF too: https://imgur.com/a/b2byB ;)

    What d'you reckon? I think it could use a bit more work but I CBA to go and find a mouse and a bigger monitor. That's the best I can do with the defective touchpad on my laptop.

    I don't even think he's lying as such, he's just deluded. It's silly to try to prove such things, just like your degree, although since he's supposedly using his real name it should be easier for him. If he was really in the RAF is must be listed somewhere, but it may not be online.

    And Lula blaming Dilma... that's pretty rich. I wish I could understand what he's saying.

    Mar 18th, 2018 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    “He's just deluded. It's silly to try to prove such things” No! I’m just responding to your demand “Present your 'lot more' data, “ So when I do prove then you engage in the fraud of denouncing what you asked for “People call it arguing out of both sides of your mouth,“ The Purposeful Argument: A Practical Guide By Harry Phillips, Patricia Bostian.
    “He is not to be heard who alleges things contradictory to each other.” This elementary rule of logic expresses, in technical language, the saying that a man shall not be permitted to “blow hot and cold” with reference to the same transaction, or insist, at different times, on the truth of each of two conflicting allegations, according to the promptings of his private interest. Says the Satyr, if you have gotten a trick of blowing hot and cold out of the same mouth, I've e'en done“ with ye.' en.wikiquote.org/wiki

    Mar 18th, 2018 - 01:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @TH the deluded wanderer
    Dunno why the heck you are talking about Satyrs, but one small and blurry picture isn't a 'lot more' data. You can't even tell it whether it *is* a mug, and you can get those printed up with anything these days. Surely you can find something better than that?

    Mar 18th, 2018 - 02:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    You asked for evidence it was provided that is sufficient. Then you engage in the fraud of “arguing out of both sides of your mouth”. You don’t get to have second kick of the can and thus benefit from your own fraud. So game, set and match.

    Mar 18th, 2018 - 03:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    @DT:

    REF: “France might.................. any more manageable.”:

    As long as they flourish economically; the masses will be out of their day-to-day miseries.

    And as far as the helplessness in the management is concerned; they are already used to it! :o))

    Mar 18th, 2018 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    So, we have a new Terry-fallacy. Any old evidence - so long as it's provided by Terry the Hypocrite - must be sufficient. Anyone who says it isn't convincing will as per usual be insulted, because Terry can't conceive that other people might think differently to him.

    Now watch and see that his standards for evidence provided by other people are very different.

    Terry, I pasted earlier a link to a picture of MY commemorative mug, showing Jack Bauer's service in the RAF:

    https://imgur.com/a/b2byB

    Now that I have provided evidence, I sure you'll agree I've proved that JB personally prevented the Cuban missile crisis spiralling into nuclear war with his quick thinking and bold action, and all in one day, too. You wouldn't want to engage in the fraud of “arguing out of both sides of your mouth”, now would you?

    @ :o))
    Economic success IS what they most need. If they had more economic power, they would also have more political power. The inequality is self-perpetuating.

    Mar 18th, 2018 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    “I sure you'll agree I've proved that JB personally prevented the Cuban missile crisis”
    No you didn’t what did was engage fraud, which as I have already stated “no one can benefit from their own fraud”
    But thats no surprise as you’re joined at hip ethically speaking to JB.
    https://tlhill.imgur.com

    Mar 18th, 2018 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @TH, aka Brainless, pitiful twit
    “I have by showing the commemorative tankard with my name etc…”….still proves nothing…as DT has shown (hilarious !)… While I’m quite prepared to believe you made a career in the military, like millions of others – and whom I respect - you have proved, beyond any reasonable doubt, that you are a sophomoric megalomaniac; If you fought against communism, it’s surprising you can’t recognize the threat when you see it. As to my military service, I just did my duty and nothing else; If I had opted to carry on, I would have had the rank of lieutenant, thanks to my university degree. The fact I went into business, was my choice, because I wanted to make enough money and enjoy life. If the ‘latrine cleaner’ has such an effect on you, must be because it has some truth in it. Terry, treat others with respect and you may get some back.

    @DT
    Thanks for the commemorative mug…think I can convince people I was a Brigadier ? While TH may well be telling the truth, I really couldn’t care less even if he’s lying, as his personal life is irrelevant and of no interest to me. His ‘stiff’, humourless and ‘know-it-all’ attitude is what kills him.

    Amongst many other claims, and through his drunken stupor, Lula was giving everyone an advanced lesson in economics…”if the State is broke, then it cannot invest ; when Dilma saw the shit looming on the horizon, instead of tightening her belt, she disburdened certain industrial sectors from production taxes, to try to remain ‘popular’; besides the State being broke, the accusations against him are also to blame ; how to fix it ? easy, use up Bzl’s foreign reserves to produce jobs (sounds like the short blanket syndrome), but where ? obviously in the civil service sector ...to increase his influence on the State; and the populist slogan, “let’s get out of the recession by spending more” ; and, just like the very appropriate name of the video, “the donkey whisperer”, his donkeys applaud him.

    Mar 18th, 2018 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
    “While TH may well be telling the truth, I really couldn’t care less even if he’s lying”
    The only reason I even bothered supply such evidence was at your behest you phoney.
    “Hill the Liar continues to feed us more lies on his fake career in the military. …“But, they spent three years training me ..PROVE IT…..”
    Don’t ask for something and then complain when others comply.

    Mar 18th, 2018 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @JB
    I agree about Terry. I could tolerate his endless misconceptions if he wasn't so arrogant all the time.

    I can produce you a Kenyan birth certificate too if you want; there's a website for that. Or maybe I can give you a degree in something from the University of Sao Paulo; what would you like?

    Spending IS the way to get out of a recession according to economists, but it kind of requires the government save during the good times so they have something to spend. Strangely most governments are not so keen on that part. Best way to spend the money is usually on infrastructure. Creates jobs and builds something useful at the same time.

    Did you disapprove of Dilma's tax cuts, then? I thought you said taxes were way too high in Brazil?

    @Terry the Hypocrite
    No one cares whether you were in the military, or particularly disbelieves you. Normal people take such things on trust, and do not demand proof of every little thing. This is because we have better and more interesting things to spend our time on. If (when) you make some outlandish or implausible claim, THEN we demand evidence.

    However, you not only demand proof of things that are irrelevant, and very difficult to prove, like Jack's degree, but then accuse other people of lying when they don't agree to your demands. This is absurd, unreasonable, and extremely annoying. Since you try to hold us to this unreasonable standard, so also we will hold you to it, and that is why we asked for proof. Since you choose to give us insulting names, we also give you insulting names. Since you call us liars when we are telling the truth, or merely mistaken, so we will call your 'mistakes of fact' and delusions lies.

    Jack is quite right. If you treat others with respect you may get some back.

    PS. My picture was not fraud, as it was obviously not real. You didn't think 'Jack Bauer' was his real name, did you? I made it to show how easily such 'evidence' can be faked, thus your photo does not prove anything.

    Mar 18th, 2018 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    “I made it to show how easily such 'evidence' can be faked, thus your photo does not prove anything.” No! it proves you are a fraud, otherwise why would you bother to learn such duplicity? It leaves my evidence unrefuted as I don’t engage in such deceits.
    It shows me with said object in my hand. After you requested such evidence. “Surely you can find something better than that”
    All it confirmed is you are troll who has total disregard for the truth. Who will go to any length win for the sake of winning. As principles have no place in your criteria.

    Mar 18th, 2018 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @DT
    The ONLY reason I asked the Liar to supply his proof – which proves zilch – and AFAIC, is irrelevant, is because ‘he’ always demands it, even when you are just expressing an opinion…which is something you may think or believe, given the information at hand…but not to numb nuts. He takes things so seriously that he is incapable of seeing when someone is just taking the piss out of him, using his same stupid arguments against him. Poor numb nuts, must have been really bullied as a kiddy…

    Good idea, print me a Chinese birth certificate under the name of Sum Ting Wong, then I can apply for a N.Korean passport….

    “Spending IS the way to get out of a recession according to economists…” to SOME economists, those who believe the money will never end, and when it does, print more…what’s a little inflation ? But if you DO have reserves, and they were accumulated for that purpose, by all means use them to avoid even worse disaster. And I agree, building infrastructure and investing in education are top priority.

    Dilma’s tax cuts were demagogical…to make it appear she was concerned with the economy, when the real reason was to try to boost her popularity (that’s how she caused PB to break)…besides reducing govt income at bad time, the temporary cuts created uncertainty as no one knew for how long the rules would last, making even medium term cost-planning difficult. Why didn't she reduce government spending and the waste ?

    Taxes ARE too high in Brazil, and the reason for that is they need to finance a bloated and wasteful government machine, and of course, don’t forget the corruption that is built in to all costs and paid for by the people.

    TH’’s last “No! it proves you are a fraud, otherwise why would you bother to learn such duplicity?” is childish...so the fact you may know how to use a gun, does that mean you are going to kill someone with it ? But of course, we keep on forgetting, numb nuts is a superior, perfect being....from Mars ?

    Mar 18th, 2018 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    “demand proof of things that are irrelevant, and very difficult to prove, like Jack's degree,”
    JB “I would have had the rank of lieutenant, thanks to my university degree.”
    This is a person who cannot make a simple argument properly, which is the first criteria at university whether it be in the arts, sciences, law, or engineering. Who claimed originally to have three degrees, which is so obviously unbelievable. So if you don’t want to be challenged then don’t make ludicrous claims.
    Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less“The ONLY reason I asked ..to supply to supply his proof, is because ‘he’ always demands it, even when you are just expressing an opinion…” Then show one instance where I have ever done that. What I have done is challenged you when make such presentations as if they were facts, not opinions. Such as Brazilian history, where the historical record stands plainly adverse to what your claiming.
    “Must have been really bullied as a kid” Hardly, as well as standing up myself, or any one else that was bullied. I figured it out at an early age that tough guys are never the bullies.
    “So the fact you may know how to use a gun…” Is just so much more self-serving piffle.

    Mar 18th, 2018 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @Hypocrite Hill
    I haven't 'learned such duplicity', I've played around with image editing software before and I wanted to see how well I could do. The second picture with the mug in your hand is better, although someone with more experience could still edit it.

    But of course you don't wait for my answer, but jump straight to unjustified conclusions and call me a fraud and a troll. And how are we to know whether you know someone who can use photoshop, or had the mug made up for a joke or something? If we trusted you to be telling the truth we wouldn't need to ask for evidence in the first place.

    It's amazing how little you understand yourself. Someone who will go to any length to win for the sake of winning, and has no regard for the truth or principles describes you perfectly.

    @JB
    “The ONLY reason I asked the Liar to supply his proof – which proves zilch – and AFAIC, is irrelevant, is because ‘he’ always demands it, even when you are just expressing an opinion”

    Yup, me too.

    “to SOME economists, those who believe the money will never end, and when it does, print more…what’s a little inflation”

    I don't believe Keynes thought inflation was unimportant. The idea is to spend savings, or borrow, and pay it back once the economy is growing again. When governments here in Europe print money, they know that it will cause inflation, and don't overdo it. Sometimes they even want that to happen, the Bank of England aims to keep inflation around 2% per year.

    What did Dilma cut taxes on, anyway? You'd think businesses in that sector would be grateful, instead of complaining they didn't know when they would end. And she probably didn't reduce government spending cos that would mean some of her allies losing their cut and they wouldn't vote for that. Everything seems to come back to corruption in Brazil, including the taxes. Without that they could be lower, or the money could be spent on education, roads and hospitals.

    Mar 18th, 2018 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @TH
    Why in hell do I need to lie about my degrees ? I've just about ended my working cycle so what advantage would I have by mentioning them on here ? If you think having two degrees and an the equivalent of an MBA (in the olden days known as a 'post graduate' course) is something out of the normal, I think you ought to reinsert yourself in the modern world...you yourself admit you've never worked in business, so what the hell would you know ? And, AFAIC, today I don't need to impress anyone.
    Well, I'm pleased to know you were a 'toughie'...good for you, numb nuts.

    @DT
    Keynes and Friedman were from two different chains of thought...I personally, was more supportive of Freidman's. These theories are a bit of an arid subject, easier discussed in person, that trying to write down tons of opinions and questions. I've done it before, and it was a pain in the neck. But I agree, spending savings, saved for that purpose, why not...but if you are broke ?

    Dilma's cuts were on production taxes, charged to industry. Industry was grateful as it gave them breathing space, space needed because of the situation Dilma herself had created, but they would have been better if the whole taxation system had been overhauled, a promise Lula, and Dilma, didn't keep. It does come down to corruption, needing to buy good will to get even the most basic of projects approved. You point out the obvious.

    Mar 18th, 2018 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    “And how are we to know whether you know someone who can use photoshop …has no regard for the truth or principles describes you perfectly”.
    All in your humble opinion, as you can’t point to any exchange where I knowingly made a false statement. It would appear that on balance you’re applying your own low standard to others.

    Mar 18th, 2018 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @JB
    You're probably right, and I'm no economist anyway, I only know a little. If borrowing money to spend now makes you rich enough in 5 year's time to pay it back and still be better off, then it would be worth it, but you can't exactly do experiments in economics to see if it works.

    The tax cuts don't like that bad a thing to me, considering Dilma surely didn't have enough support in congress to overhaul the whole taxation system. Taxe codes are always riddled with loopholes inserted by the rich and special interests, even in countries that are way less corrupt than Brazil.

    @Terry the Liar
    “you can’t point to any exchange where I knowingly made a false statement”

    That's because you are lying to yourself! I can point to many places where you made a false statement, but you are so sunk in delusion you refuse to see it. What can I do as long as you are willing to shut your eyes and ignore everything I say? Nothing.

    And by the way, to any normal person it is perfectly plausible that JB would have a degree. I would find it hard to believe that you could pass one in any subject that required reasoning abilities though, which contrary to what you claim is not all of them.

    Mar 18th, 2018 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage”
    The only person thats delusional is yourself. Its a very simple question “You can’t point to any exchange where I knowingly made a false statement”
    Which is an issue of fact, not what your opinion is on something. You obviously can’t, other wise you would have revealed such an occasion. In others words, you allow your own subjective feelings of malice towards me colour your perception of reality.
    “I would find it hard to believe that you could pass one in any…” Thats why you’re delusional and blindly fail to see anything remiss about his behaviour, even when he has been revealed as chronic liar. “It is perfectly plausible that JB would have a degree” You couldn’t be more wrong he hasn’t a clue as how to properly present an argument. He wouldn’t be able to pass a first term in many fields.

    Mar 19th, 2018 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    Because you said 'knowingly'. That would require you to know something, and you don't. Remove that requirement and it will be easy.

    And he's not a chronic liar, you are a clueless idiot imagining monsters behind every bush. How can you fail a first term at university anyway? At mine we didn't even do any exams until after Easter.

    Mar 19th, 2018 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Voice

    DemonTree

    As promised...;-)

    https://farm1.staticflickr.com/803/39996293055_40c4f1117a_o.jpg

    Mar 19th, 2018 - 01:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    @DT:

    REF: “The inequality is self-perpetuating”: “THEY” already are used to “it”!

    Mar 19th, 2018 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Cool, thanks Voice. When I open the full size version the 'E's seem a little dodgy, but otherwise it looks pretty convincing. I like the way you moved the top line so it's still centered even with the longer name.

    I don't know if you saw Terry's original close up picture before he replaced it, but what do you think of the one I made for JB?

    https://imgur.com/a/b2byB

    Kind of an easier job really...

    Mar 19th, 2018 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    @JB:

    REF: “Taxes ARE too high....paid for by the people.”:

    But that's how it is supposed to work - and very efficiently too! Perhaps, that's why the masses don't even know! Or maybe too disinterested to react against the system!

    Mar 19th, 2018 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    DemonTree

    Good...you opted for using a typeface and a path...
    Mine was just a quicky using the letters that were already there because it would be the opposite of a raised text being stamped into the tankard...
    Wasn't happy about the way the camera was bending his last two L's one beneath the other...more than the taper of the tankard...
    If I was to spend some time on it I would have created a TTF typeface exactly matching the existing one...I did it with my handwriting once so that I could write letters that looked hand written...including different pressures on different letters...

    Poor Terry...give him a break the tankard is real... either his or his Dads...

    Mar 19th, 2018 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @DT
    “If borrowing money to spend now makes you rich enough in 5 year's time to pay it back and still be better off”, makes a lot of sense, and “you can't exactly do experiments in economics to see if it works” can be a risky proposition...as any wild experiment, such as jumping off the roof of your house, using a sheet as a parachute.

    “...considering Dilma surely didn't have enough support in congress to overhaul the whole taxation system”.....Lula had enough support to pull if off, IF he had wanted to...Dilma could have too, in the “beginning” of her 1st term, but she was to busy turning a blind eye to Party corruption and trying to cover up her incompetence.

    Brazil has always been plagued by corruption, but considering the growth Brazil experienced in the mid to late 90s (exports finally taking off), and continuing into the mid 2000s (due to inflation being low and under control, the world trade boom, and Brazil's commodity boom), revenue increased exponentially and whetted the politicians' appetite, making them believe they could steal like never before and get away with it..

    Regarding Terry the Liar's insistent argument, “You couldn’t be more wrong he hasn’t a clue as how to properly present an argument ...” ....Well, that's a first....suppose that during my entire career, everyone must have felt sorry for me, and was politically correct....Damn ! don't know if I'll be able to sleep at night now.....
    But I forgive numb nuts - whose middle initial “L”, standing for “Liar” is very appropriate ; his hostility must be sour grapes because I don't resort to endless quotes and bravado, and don't agree with 99% of his bs...like for example, that the photoshopped image of a mug proves anything.

    @Voice
    good one ...

    Mar 19th, 2018 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @Voice
    Thanks. I was going to copy the existing letters like you did, but then I thought it might be easier to start from scratch. It's actually not based on a photo at all, I found a similar-ish font to write the text and then just kept applying blurs and effects until it resembled Terry's photograph. I think the letters look too regular and perfect, but I couldn't be bothered to spend more time adding imperfections.

    I thought those L's looked odd too, but I just can't imagine Terry having any photoshop skills.

    That handwriting font must have taken a lot of patience. Did you have more than one version of each letter to make it less regular looking?

    @JB
    That's why economics isn't a real science. ;) Too many variables, and you can never control them all to see what makes a difference. It's probably always a good idea to be suspicious of economists who want to make radical changes based on a theory. Try it on a small scale first, and the same goes for education. They are always chopping and changing, and trying different things, without making any effort to test them first.

    I wonder why Lula didn't try and reform the tax code? Surely reducing taxes on food and other necessities would help the poor almost as much as the BF, and simplifying the whole thing would help everyone except the lawyers.

    I suppose they did think the boom would last for ever and they didn't need to make the difficult choices, and by the time Dilma realised the necessity and passed her cuts she had lost the support to do anything more radical.

    Mar 19th, 2018 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
    ”Hostility”, is way behind incredulity at your chutzpah after being exposed so many times on so many issues as a chronic liar. But, what has been accomplished on this site is that you have been revealed in all your glory. Go on tell us how you’re not a fascist, or how o saco de merda doesn’t exist, or that the coup was executed to head off a planned communist uprising, etc, etc. I think distain is what comes to forefront because of the obvious lack respect you have for fellow posters intelligence. The only parties that appreciate you are ones that share your remarkable lack of ethics

    Mar 19th, 2018 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    DemonTree

    Patience...?
    I was playing the martyr and exaggerating the level of difficulty...I have a large graphics tablet the pen simulates pressures, I wrote as bitmap used a trace program that converts to vector, separate the letters and create a true type font...but good idea of having more than one version of each letter... I never thought of that, though I would then have to reassign some of the keys to accommodate extra letters...
    It was just an experiment that is almost obsolete as I don't really write letters...

    Mar 19th, 2018 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @Voice
    Oh well, I'm sure it's a lot easier with a graphics tablet. Drawing with a mouse is nearly impossible. I still think it would take me a long time though, I'm too much of a perfectionist.

    I reckon the way to deal with different letter designs would be to create several versions and then assign/switch them based on the following letter, you could get them to join up realistically too if you were careful. But I don't know whether any writing software has the ability to do this.

    Mar 20th, 2018 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    @DT:

    REF: “I wonder why Lula didn't try and reform the tax code? Surely reducing taxes on food and other necessities would help the poor”:

    ABSOLUTELY TRUE!

    REF: Tax-Reduction:

    #1: Reducing the taxes = less revenue [even to steal]
    #2: The effect on the economy is too slow [unnoticable]
    #3: NO dramatic effect on the Standard of Living or the Quality of Life of the masses

    It's THE dramatic [PSYCHOLOGICAL] effect on the Standard of Living or the Quality of Life of the masses which he wanted to achieve - OVERNIGHT. And that was easily possible, simply by raising the “Minimum Salary” [Hell with the Long-Term ILL-Effects on the economy!]

    Mar 20th, 2018 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @DT
    Agree, Economics is not an ‘exact’ science, but if you know what you’re doing when you fiddle with the variables, it’s easier to predict the outcome with relative accuracy…‘populism’ is a factor not foreseen in economic theory, and destroys any sound economic policy.
    Brazil’s economy has always seemed to falter, and one of the reasons is that until the mid-90s, each new government implemented its ‘own’ economic policy, sometimes changing direction 180°, and throwing out any previous ‘good’…almost as if it were humiliating to admit that your predecessor might have been going in the right direction. And of course, not putting qualified people in the right places, contributed.

    The presumed objective of a tax reform would be to have a more efficient and transparent system, reducing the burden, benefiting the population and business in general ; but here, governments have usually been loath to attack the problem head on, as if done properly it would mean less revenue, which in turn would oblige the politicians to do their part (start by getting rid of their absurd benefits, not steal, and to actually have to work – something we all know they are not prepared to do). One change that would be very welcome would be to reduce taxes on consumption (usually varying between 40 to 60% of the final price, where the poor are burdened disproportionately to their income) and raise the taxes on financial applications…but discussions never went beyond wishful thinking.

    Did you understand anything in numb nut’s post ?…..despite his increasing lack of self-control, flaunting his self-presumed superiority, his sick mind is quite predictable.

    Mar 20th, 2018 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
    I have called you out as chronic liar, and named three specific occasions which are unable to refute. So thanks for the confirmation. As this is public forum, shame on you.
    “He who is silent is thought to consent. Thus, he who keeps silent is assumed to consent; silence gives consent.”
    Soma's Dictionary Of Latin Quotations Maxims And Phrases.

    Mar 20th, 2018 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    “Oh , shame on you”....poor little Terry Liar Hill.....you do know what you can do with your SDLQMP, don't you ?

    Mar 20th, 2018 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @JB
    It would probably be helpful if more people understood economics, as some of it is quite unintuitive. But it wouldn't stop people voting for short term benefits over long term ones, which is what populism usually offers. You can see it in the way so many people act in their own lives; spending their salary before the end of the month, getting into debt to buy things they don't need. I don't understand that any more than the politicians who want to throw out everything, whether it works or not. At least in Britain, if a policy is brought in by one party and proves popular or successful, then the other party generally decides to continue it, even if they opposed it initially.

    “One change that would be very welcome would be to reduce taxes on consumption and raise the taxes on financial applications…but discussions never went beyond wishful thinking.”

    Ah, but people who buy financial applications can afford to 'donate' a lot more money to the politicians than people who struggle to buy food. It's a problem in many countries that after a certain income level taxes start dropping lower and lower (as a percentage of income) due to loopholes and tax dodges, but I imagine it's significantly worse in Brazil. Really, even if they didn't lower taxes it could still be beneficial to simplify them and rationalise what is taxed, especially when it comes to imports.

    I think :o)) has a point that the benefit would be less direct and obvious to most people, than money given directly in the BF. Which may have made it less attractive to Lula.

    PS. Did you get my email address okay? I tried to put in a comment a while ago, but ironically the site promptly went down. A lot of news sites have been removing their comment sections, and it would be a shame to have no way of finding you again.

    Mar 20th, 2018 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    The bona fide commemoration tankard is here
    https://tlhill.imgur.com
    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    “I pasted earlier a link to a picture of MY commemorative mug”
    “Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.”― Oscar Wilde
    “It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in imitation” Herman Melville
    “Almost all absurdity of conduct arises from the imitation of those who we cannot resemble” Samuel Johnson
    “In everything truth surpasses the imitation and copy” Marcus Tullius Cicero
    Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
    “You know what you can do with your SDLQMP” Haven’t got clue, and obviously don’t know either what your talking about.

    Mar 21st, 2018 - 01:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Oh Terry. All those quotes about imitation, and not one original thought of your own. You really can't see the irony, can you? It's sad.

    And I know exactly what the SDLQMP is: Soma's Dictionary Of Latin Quotations Maxims And Phrases, and I agree on what you can do with it, too.

    Mar 21st, 2018 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    “All those quotes about imitation, and not one original thought of your own” Then my assertion would have as much value as you or your twin’s unsupported claims. What they show is you’re not unique, fraud has been committed through out history and people have rebutted it thus.
    Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
    Then of course you would, leaving you as a lone unsupported voice who has of yet been unable to verify the truth of any of your posts on this site.

    Mar 21st, 2018 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @DT
    “I don't understand that any more than the politicians who want to throw out everything, whether it works or not.”
    When the salary of a worker - as opposed to that of most politicians - ends b4 the end of the month, it might indicate they earn too litle to live decently, or they are impulsive buyers, or they've no idea how control their budget...the politicians' salaries are amongst the top 1% of the nation, they have endless immoral benefits which means they can save, and they rarely run the risk of being sacked ...and, as a fringe benefit, they can steal with impunity.
    But spending more than you receive, can be a problem.

    “Ah, but people who buy financial applications can afford to 'donate' a lot more money to the politicians than people who struggle to buy food”
    On principle, yes...but first of all, it is not a habit amongst the Brazilian middle-class, i.e., those who actually work hard and manage to save a bit every month, to 'donate' money to politicians...they know money doesn't grow on trees. Second, those who do 'donate' large sums, are big business owners, whose companies donate, not them personally, and usually because they expect something in return, if their candidate wins.

    That the tax system in Brazil is unfair, no doubt...not only does it drop off percentagewise the higher the income, but the wrong items are taxed heavily...such as consumer items of basic neccessity; but as the politicians are the last ones to feel the pinch in a recession, so what do they care ?

    Agree with :o)).....Lula opted for a more visible benefit, i.e., BF, with immediate impact, although with little power to change the reality of the poor, instead of seriously investing to build the infrastructure (jobs, education) which eventually would allow time and progress to do the rest.

    Got yr gmail ; Need one myself.
    Tie an Italian's hands, he won't be be able to speak. Remove the Liar's dictionaries, he won't know what to write...I mean, copy. He'd be “clueless”.

    Mar 21st, 2018 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @JB
    “When the salary of a worker ends b4 the end of the month, it might indicate they earn too litle to live decently...”

    That's true, especially in poorer countries. I was thinking of people I know; young colleagues who earn plenty but say they can't afford to go out again until they are paid, or friends who do earn enough to live on, if they would spend it sensibly. A lot of people who seem to believe luxuries are necessities, or spend any money they have immediately. That's what I don't understand.

    As for donations, I was thinking of the big business owners, and exactly that the government won't be raising taxes on their donors any time soon. Perhaps it would be better if the middle case donated, and especially if there was a limit on how much one person or organisation can give. Then the politicians might be a little more inclined to listen to them - but only a little. Heavily taxing basic necessities certainly seems backwards, putting the burden on the poorest who have the least amount of money to give. It's disappointing the PT never tried to do anything about it.

    Getting a gmail account is easy enough these days. Back when I got mine, you still needed an invitation.

    @Crazy Terry
    Not much point me replying unless and until you find something original to say.

    Mar 21st, 2018 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
    “Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth.” Franklin D. Roosevelt
    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    Rather pointless in you trying to deny your obvious fraud.

    Mar 21st, 2018 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    There go the election results in a democracy [FAKE]: Political Crisis + Financial Crisis fuelling the Cyber Crisis [or the other way around]:

    REF: “Brazil prosecutors open the investigation into Cambridge Analytica”:
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-facebook-cambridge-analytica-brazil/brazil-prosecutors-open-investigation-into-cambridge-analytica-idUSKBN1GX35A

    Mar 22nd, 2018 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @DT
    I have a friend, owner of a importing company....makes plenty of money, but max's out all his credit cards, then pays the minimum, and the following month the interest eats up his previous payment....got him a special loan, at much lower interest rate, to pay off the cards...gave him a 'bollocking', for which he thanked me, but in 6 months he'd maxed out his cards again....Hard to understand his lack of control ; I gave up.

    “As for donations, I was thinking of the big business owners, and exactly that the government won't be raising taxes on their donors any time soon”
    You hit the nail on the head. Instead of “not-raising” taxes selectively, which cannot occur, Lula and Dilma would give certain industrial sectors, tax-breaks (reducing the burden of specific taxes for pre-determined periods, but unavoidably applicable to the whole sector), in exchange for donations (legal, if declared) and 'gifts' (undeclared, and illegal).

    To me, only 'limited' donations, from identified individuals should be allowed...if the candidate, or the party, doesn't collect enough money to campaign as they'd like to, it would only reflect the fact that people aren't interested in them. But with the recently approved system (in a matter of minutes after being put to the vote) roughly USD1 billion will go into the political campaign fund, to be distributed amongst parties according to current representation in Congress...so they all get enough to splarge and to fill their own pockets. The truth about the PT is, while they 'claim' to help the poor (BF, which got no one 'out-of-poverty'), they are busy filling their pockets...it's the fashion for leftist, well-off “intelectuals” & artists to speak of their support for the poor while doing nothing for them...the champagne socialists. Bunch of hypocrites.

    If Terry “Liar” Hill really believes what he writes , i.e., “Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth” (F.D.R.), why doesn't he follow it ?

    Mar 22nd, 2018 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    “The second picture with the mug in your hand is better, although someone with more experience could still edit it.”
    You still don’t get it. It’s evidently proof it has to be an unadulterated image, otherwise it’s no longer genuine.If it’s been manipulated and is then worthless. But, regardless thanks for your admission that it’s the real McCoy. So you are estopped from later claiming a contrary opinion.
    http://en.mercopress.com/2018/03/13/brazil-s-speaker-of-the-lower-house-also-wants-to-run-for-the-presidency/comments#comment485387
    Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
    “If Terry “Liar” Hill really believes what he writes , …why doesn't he follow it ?” If what you claim is true where is the evidence? Oops Houston we have problem.
    Whereas your untruths are so common place.
    h ttp://en.mercopress.com/2018/03/13/brazil-s-speaker-of-the-lower-house-also-wants-to-run-for-the-presidency/comments#comment484987
    “The US can point to nothing even remotely threatening done by the Brazilian Communist Party”
    h ttp://www-personal.umich.edu/~lormand/poli/soa/brazil.htm
    “The idea that toilet paper cannot be flushed down toilets, is true in only 'parts”
    Is absolutely false as besides myself, four other sites have confirmed. While as usual you cannot produce any support for your claim, which therefore confirms your assertion is untrue.
    h ttp://en.mercopress.com/2017/07/20/ex-brazilian-president-assets-and-bank-accounts-frozen/comments#comment471252

    Mar 22nd, 2018 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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