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Opinion polls confirm Bolsonaro is set to become Brazil's president next Sunday
The latest public opinion poll released in Brazil, BTG Pactual/FSB showed that the extreme right candidate Jair Bolsonaro is leading with a valid vote intention of 60%, while leftist Fernando Haddad has a 40% support. Both presidential candidates for Sunday's 28 October runoff suffered minor variations compared to the previous poll, 59% vs 41%. Read full article
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Oct 23rd, 2018 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This guy is aspiring to be Brazil's elected president, yet he is threatening democracy if elected.
People who have been left to believe Jair Bolsonaro is somehow going to improve their lives are in for a bitter surprise, as no fascist has ever done such thing.
Many of those who have participated in dishonest maneuvers to make possible the elimination of candidate Lula da Silva so that this guy could have a chance to win are also going to have a bitter awakening once all is said and done.
Only a few MP dinosaurs will be cheering for Bolsonaro to the bitter end.
What Enrique's really is lamenting: Poor Marxist Brazilians
Oct 23rd, 2018 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Future President Bolsonaro is the right solution desperately needed by his nation.
He provides an opportunity for reformers to promote a positive agenda, based on strengthening democratic institutions and promoting accountability while addressing the undeniable crime problems. Brazilians are ready to move on from the perverse corrupt political practices of the past. With the right reforms, Brazil’s democracy could take a different path, delivering much-needed public goods and a route back to economic growth. Real change will come from outside the political establishment. Advocates for reform should seize the moment, not cry like Enrique because his Socialist-Marxist agenda is being thrown aside.
¡Viva Brazil!
“Haddad will be there with you soon, but not to visit,” Bolsonaro said of his centre-left opponent Haddad, who took over Lula's candidacy.
Oct 24th, 2018 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse -2“You can get out of here! You won't have any more chance in our homeland,” Bolsonaro said, “It will be a cleansing never seen in the history of Brazil.”
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/10/bolsonaro-cleanse-brazil-left-wing-criminals-181022182033929.html
@EM
Oct 25th, 2018 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0“no fascist has ever done such thing”
Hitler improved the lives of SOME Germans alright... for a few years, before it all ended in disaster.
@EM:
Oct 25th, 2018 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse +1REF: “This guy is aspiring to be Brazil's elected president, yet he is threatening democracy if elected”:
Luckily, Brazil has honest politicians! NO wonder everyone has a blind-faith in whatever the candidates claim:
https://www.gazetadopovo.com.br/ra/mega/ERROR/Imagens/Vivo/Charge_Paixao_19082012.jpg
“Reform.”
Oct 25th, 2018 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Give me a break.
Chicureo is delighted to see a fascist about to become Brazil's president, propped by the popular vote not less - a dream become reality for an apologist of August Pinochet.
But worry not. All is justified in the name of saving Brazil from “Socialism-Marxism” right? Just as Chicureo usually says in praise to Pinochet's bloodbath: “at least he saved Chile from Socialism-Marxism.”
Get ready after Sunday to Chicureo (and others) to begin applauding any iniquity Bolsonaro inflicts on his people -- all in the name of anti-Communism. Or other “bad words” as Socialism, Marxism, Trotskyism, Anarchism etc.
Well. Finally your opportunity has arrived, Chicureo. Brazil's new president will be waiting for you after Sunday.
Thank God, The Day is arriving when the Old Known Corrupt can be replaced by the New not-so-well-known - Corrupt!
Oct 26th, 2018 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +1http://blogs.correiobraziliense.com.br/aricunha/wp-content/uploads/sites/13/2018/08/26charge.png
Enrique Massot
Oct 26th, 2018 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -1REFORM is coming. DEMOCRATIC reform decided by the people fed up with their corrupt politicians from all parties, but the head of the snake being Lula.
Why is it that Leftists want Bolsonario to fail? Could it be that they are frightened that his proposed social changes will be effective and will result in less crime while improving the economy? Could it finally expose to the poverty stricken people that the PT are the criminals they truly are? Could it be Enrique that you are suffering an emotional ideological political breakdown?
You need to accept that your argument is lost...
If you love Bolsonaro so much, when are you going to be moving to Brazil, Chicureo?
Oct 26th, 2018 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Chicureo:
Oct 27th, 2018 - 01:14 am - Link - Report abuse +1REF: “people fed up with their corrupt politicians from all parties”:
https://www.otempo.com.br/image/contentid/policy:1.2058143:1540244603/Capturar.JPG?f=3x2&w=620&$p$f$w=2000ec9
“Lula da Silva — Brazil’s former president — is sitting in his prison in Curitiba, a small town southwest of São Paulo. He should not be there. Evidence of corruption against him hangs on the words of a felon. Lula should have been on the ballot. But the oligarchy refused to allow this most popular man to run for the presidency.
Oct 27th, 2018 - 02:16 am - Link - Report abuse -2The oligarchy flooded the Bolsonaro camp with money. Democracy needs lubrication, and money does the trick. Some corporations used their money to create WhatsApp groups that carried fraudulent messages about Haddad, who is running against Bolsonaro. This is illegal. The hashtag #Caixa2doBolsonaro zipped across the internet. The whiff of fraud should have triggered an immediate investigation. It did not happen. It is Lula in prison.”
https://www.salon.com/2018/10/25/theres-a-growing-international-alliance-of-right-wing-demagogues_partner/
BLOOMBERG:
Oct 27th, 2018 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse +1REF: “Election”:
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-10-26/brazil-s-hate-filled-election-will-leave-big-scars
EM
Oct 30th, 2018 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your posts only confirm your zero comprehension of Brazil. You don't even know what fascist means. Spare us.
TH
Stop whinging 'n whining, you marxist pussy. Ah, btw, “Sauda...a PSOL activist”...or, a communist. It's all fake news, ‘n you lapped it up. Bzl’s ‘peace-keeping’ mission in Haiti was a success, 'n Mourão NEVER served there….accept the fact, ‘n STFU.
DT (“B” 18 pts)
“..restrict civil liberties/opposition parties more than any elected govt”…only relatively…’n what’d you expect, given the circumstances ?
“didn't affect you personally, but you said neither did whatever the left did”…’n if they hadn’t risen up in arms, it wouldn’t have affected them either.
“rather put up with that than people like ‘B’ ” - you say that because you don’t know the PT….if you believe they’re ‘nice guys’, yr problem.
Re ‘B’ telling people ‘how to live’ (?): pure bs…where’d that come from ? I had a few Muslims customers…normal, hard working…no religion involved. On only a couple of occasions terrorism came up, as small talk…they condemned it, felt ashamed.
Racism here only makes headlines when some political groups make a point of bringing it up or stimulating it for political gain. Unfortunately, some idiots can’t see what they’re trying to do, ‘n believe their shit.
Right, neither M nor B fought in a war, like WWII…what’s yr point ? In 2002 ‘n later, I voted PSDB ; reasonable ‘n anti-PT…until recently, when some showed they too, are shit.
I’ve said b4, most left politicians use ideology only to influence ignorant people who believe it’s a solution.
Deep down most are the same shit, but with different ‘personal’ ambitions.
Re ex-slaves : early 1900s, there were no worker ‘rights’, so why would a black man be discriminated wage wise ? even the Italians immigrants (farms, factories) complained like hell...sign of the times. Migration fm rural areas in 50s-70s had nothing to do with the ex-slaves.
Don’t know B’s mindset of 20 yrs ago, perhaps he just wanted change.
JB
Oct 30th, 2018 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you go off topic and off thread to remonstrate about matters already answered since you are unable to refute the truth of my last post.
“Bzl’s ‘peace-keeping’ mission in Haiti was a success” except for the 2,000 claims of rape against them.
“Mourão” Already answered with the original sources that are either too poorly written, or the General so poorly spoken. That the conclusion drawn was perfectly logical.
“STFU” Who the fuck are you, just some mousy inwards goods clerk.
TH
Oct 30th, 2018 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your last post, your above post ? who cares ? ....anyway, not wasting my time reading your old sh*t and lies.....and if I “went off topic and off thread” it was only because I was looking for space to continue commenting from an earlier thread that closed.
But for the 'n'th time - not that it will be of any use, considering that you are a retard - regarding the alleged 2000 rapes, nowhere in the link you posted, did it state that the Brazilians committed any of them.....but you liked to 'presume' they did ....fake news.
As to your insistence that you cannot be blamed for misunderstanding what is written in Portuguese, that's pretty feeble...you didn't even bother to check the original source, and even if you had, you wouldn't have been able to understand it...it would've been above yr intelligence grade.
The only logical conclusion here, is that you are an idiot.
And before I forget, admit you crapped out the pot and STFU, you “'mousy inwards goods clerk”...sounds cute, but pls explain...
JB
Oct 30th, 2018 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“the alleged 2000 rapes, nowhere in the link you posted, did it state that the Brazilians committed any of them....”
Oh yes it did “there were over two thousand accusations of rape leveled against Brazilian soldiers”
https://jacobinmag.com/2018/10/bolsonaro-military-pt-haiti-lava-jato-lula
“You cannot be blamed for misunderstanding what is written in Portuguese,” It wasn't my misunderstanding it was the coauthor of the article ALDO CORDEIRO SAUDA. Even he cannot be blamed for using a flawed ambiguous Brazilian original.
“You didn't even bother to check the original source,” There wasn't one provided, I provided the only possible source for the ambiguity later.
“it would've been above yr intelligence grade.” Says the shipping clerk.
@JB
Oct 30th, 2018 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“what’d you expect, given the circumstances ?”
That is what I'd expect from a dictatorship, left or right, but it was the army who took over and restricted liberties, and the army are B's allies now. Doesn't mean they'll do anything today, but shows some on the right were very willing to restrict liberties.
““didn't affect you personally, but you said neither did whatever the left did”…’n if they hadn’t risen up in arms, it wouldn’t have affected them either.”
Only a few people were killed and more were tortured, but everyone is affected in a lesser way when elections are not free, and protest is banned. But what I don't understand is why you complain when the left does it, but not the right, though it didn't affect you personally in either case.
“I had a few Muslims customers…normal, hard working…no religion involved.”
Not planning to secretly take over Brazil? ;) The Muslims I know are also pretty normal - I suppose the really radical ones keep to themselves, besides being a minority. It's hard to know how bad racism is, it doesn't seem so bad, but I've overheard some things, and the BNP was relatively popular in my area before UKIP stole all their support. An Indian colleague told us their embassy advised travellors to the UK not to enter pubs alone (we asked why he always waited outside if he arrived first). It's sort of sobering knowing what kind of travel advice other countries give about the UK.
“neither M nor B fought in a war”
That's what I thought. I reckon those who fight learn something from the experience, but of course it's better not to have wars. I believe there were a few months at the end of 1999 and beginning of 2000 when Britain wasn't involved in any...
I guessed you voted for the PSDB. Dunno why B hated them so much back then, unless it was just a way to attract votes by criticising whoever was in power. Suppose you'd say that's normal for Brazil.
@TH
No, you provided something totally unrelated, which Sauda prob never saw. Idiot.
chronic i.e pathological
Oct 30th, 2018 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
“No, you provided something totally unrelated, which Sauda prob never saw.”
I found a Brazilian article that either the writer's Portuguese was suspect, or they had written what the general had stated verbatim. Which provided the most likely source of the error. What did you provide, oh just your own humble opinion, which carries absolutely no weight at all. I'm an idiot, well you're looking anything but adept. ha,ha
All you've provided is your own over-inflated opinion. There's nothing wrong with the Portuguese in the article, you misinterpreted what it said because you read it with google translate, and because you were desperately looking for evidence to support what the Jacobin article said.
Oct 30th, 2018 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And the former was not a source for the later, They are totally unrelated, except in your own confused mind.
DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
Oct 30th, 2018 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“And the former was not a source for the later.” In your further unsupported humble opinion.
“you misinterpreted what it said” . In your unqualified opinion.
“looking for evidence to support what the Jacobin article” Not particularly, was interested in the source of the error. I'm satisfied that I found it. Since no one else can provide a more likely option then it stands.
“And the former was not a source for the later”
Oct 31st, 2018 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are the one claiming it is, with no evidence. I don't have to provide a more likely option, it's your burden to prove it.
“”you misinterpreted what it said” . In your unqualified opinion.“
No, in Jack's opinion, and since he speaks Portuguese and you don't, he is more qualified.
”Not particularly, was interested in the source of the error.”
You little liar, you didn't admit it was an error until long after you posted that quote. Here's what you wrote after Jack said the Jacobin article was wrong about Mourão:
*****
JB
“He was never Mourão’s subordinate,..” Which is contradicted by his own words at the following URL.
”My unrestricted support for my longtime friend and respected military chief (Mourão), “wrote Augusto Heleno, on Facebook””
*****
http://en.mercopress.com/2018/10/19/jair-bolsonaro-18-points-ahead-of-haddad-according-to-latest-datafolha-survey/comments#comment493789
It's obvious you were trying to prove the article correct by pasting that quote, or you would have admitted Jack was right. Will you have the integrity to admit it now?
DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
Oct 31st, 2018 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0“You are the one claiming it is, with no evidence.” Hardly, it involved scrutinising dozens of possible Brazilian sources. Before selecting the one I did. You have done no comparative research, so your opining is as valid as JB's, and we all know how his opining is valued.
“you didn't admit it was an error until long after you posted that quote” Well it is the first publication I've ever come across that was in error. Well you can hardly fault me for not accepting anything that JB claims. He's not known for his veracity, as his most recent deliberate lying shows. “the alleged 2000 rapes, nowhere in the link you posted, did it state that the Brazilians committed any of them....” So know I never accept anything he claims unless I verify it myself. So thats the unfortunate fallout for a compulsive liar. Very touching your slavish following. ”It's obvious I was showing what the Brazilian source that Jacobin's writers had relied on “and respected military chief” had mislead these professionals. So thanks for providing it.
I'm not faulting you for not accepting what JB said, I'm faulting you for lying about it afterwards!
Oct 31st, 2018 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course you should do your own research, I did too, but after you scrutinised 'dozens' of Brazilian sources and found no mention of M serving in Haiti, you ought to have realised what the evidence was telling you. But at least you admit it now, that's progress.
However, your '“looking for evidence to support what the Jacobin article” Not particularly, was interested in the source of the error.' is nothing more than a lie to protect your ego, since it's obvious that you did give it as evidence to support the article.
As for it being 'the first publication you've ever come across that was in error', do you live under a rock? All print newspapers have a corrections section, where in small print on an inside page they admit their giant headline from yesterday was nonsense:
https://d8s293fyljwh4.cloudfront.net/petitions/images/104098/horizontal/Times-correction-crop-800x450.jpg
And articles online regularly have a paragraph at the bottom saying that such and such has been corrected since the article was originally published. This is why you need to learn to think for yourself instead of believing whatever you read.
You could try emailing Jacobin and telling them that as far as you can determine, M never served in Haiti, with that link JB gave, and see if they correct their article.
DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
Oct 31st, 2018 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Repeating an error from what should be an authoritative sources is not lying. Unlike you or Jb I have never deliberately misrepresented a single issue. The fact that you feel compelled to be protective of proven liar, while very touching speaks volumes about your complete lack of ethical standards. Further, reenforced by your manipulation of the 18 sqn tankard image, in a similar effort to rehabilitate JB, and discredit me. Except, all it revealed was your own complete lack of veracity.
“the first publication” quoted on this site. Again, it should be no surprise that anything a compulsive liar claims would be viewed with scepticism. “This is why you need to learn to think for yourself.” What you really mean is accept without proof what ever JB dishes out verbatim, as he he's your bosom buddy, no thanks. My scholarship has been able to resolve any and all issues, including the present one. “You could try..” not being such control freak, as it's never been successful for you.
For the third time, this was your lie:
Oct 31st, 2018 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0““looking for evidence to support what the Jacobin article” Not particularly, was interested in the source of the error.”
At this point it's obvious you are not merely stupid, but deliberately misrepresenting what I said in order to avoid admitting to lying. A cowardly and dishonest tactic.
I've proved you lied, so there is nothing further to say unless you are willing to be honest for once.
DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
Oct 31st, 2018 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse -1“For the third time, this was your lie:” Is merely your biased, lop-sided opinion, devoid of any proof. But I'm sure JB appreciates the lengths you go in attempting to rehabilitate him. “I've proved you lied” You're just a star in your own mind. As you've accomplished zilch, in attempting to cover JB's further lying about the rape complaints against the Brazilian army in Haiti.
@TH
Oct 31st, 2018 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jacobin, ‘n Sauda, again ? Jacobin a leftie rag, Sauda a PSOL communist. The article’s just lies ‘n biased opinions : says Brazil ‘volunteered’ to send a peace-keeping mission…BS, the UN requested ‘n Brazil acceded.
Mourão, commander in Haiti ? more BS.
Jean Baptiste Aristide’s govt, a ‘mild social-democratic govt’ ?? a cruel, leftist dictatorship. And yr excuse is :“Even he (Sauda) cannot be blamed for using a flawed ambiguous Brazilian original”…‘using a flawed ambiguous Brzln original’ ?? but isn’t Sauda a Brazilian, ‘n the author ?
“ 'it would've been above yr intelligence grade' Says the shipping clerk ”…“clerk’ ? with my salary ? unlikely, but the title was the least of it. ”
@DT
“Doesn't mean they'll do anything today, but shows some on the right were very willing to restrict liberties”...No, not today, or any other….and ‘who’ specifically ‘would’ restrict liberties ? It’s funny how those who experienced the military regime aren’t afraid, yet you ‘n the younger generation - that never did - are.
”..but everyone is affected in lesser way when elections aren’t free..“, you are too damned sensitive - Brazilians never cared about elections until they couldn’t vote. Even today, many complain that they have to.
”..is why you complain when the left does it, but not the right,..“; Since 1985, only the moderate left & PT have held power, so what ‘right’ are you talking abt ?
”Not planning to secretly take over Brazil ?” where’s all this paranoia coming from ? a possibility in decades, I dunno.
M & B never fought in a ‘real’ war…you mean in a ‘declared’ war…so what, what’s yr point ?
If politics were open & logical, it wouldn’t be politics.
Meanwhile, TH keeps on insisting “he’s merely the messenger”… not his fault if Sauda’s semi-illiterate, not his fault if his (THs) comprehension of Portuguese is zero, nothing is his fault, everything conspired against him, he’s a victim of his own stupidity. So much crap, have lost track of his lies.
JB
Oct 31st, 2018 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can only address those things that are certain, one being that you have lied about was written in Jacobin. Therefore, I must assume everything else they wrote about is correct. As when I check out anything you claim it's invariably untrue. 'using a flawed ambiguous Brzln original..but isn’t Sauda a Brazilian, ‘n the author” Exactly, the original was so poorly written that even he was mislead.
The most important thing is I'm smart enough to catch your attempted stupidities. Your problem is you wrongly assume I'm more stupid than you, I keep schooling you in the error of your ways. But, your not quick enough on the uptake to appreciate the lesson.
@JB
Oct 31st, 2018 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“”..is why you complain when the left does it, but not the right,..“; Since 1985, only the moderate left & PT have held power, so what ‘right’ are you talking abt ?”
I told you, I'm talking about the military government. Whenever it comes up, you say it doesn't matter that they restricted liberties for a few people; it didn't affect you, you just got on with your life.
So why don't you say the same about the PT or 'the left'? Why does it matter if they restrict freedoms for a few people, as long as it doesn't affect you and you can get on with your life?
As for the younger generation being afraid, I'd say it's the opposite. As long as everyone remembered the junta, no strongly right-wing government was elected. But nowadays no one under 50 knows much about it, and that's the majority of all voters.
“”Not planning to secretly take over Brazil ?” where’s all this paranoia coming from ?”
It was a joke, hence the smilie. And you are the one who thinks Muslims want to take over Europe, so I reckon it should be me calling you paranoid if anything.
RE Terry, best to leave him to his delusions. He's just lashing out because he can't stand being proved wrong.
By the way, did you see my reply on http://en.mercopress.com/2018/10/20/bolsonaro-not-the-best-choice-for-brazil-say-350-economists-in-open-declaration/comments ?
DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
Oct 31st, 2018 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. Your dishonesty is revealed by the fact that in a legal forum you would be estopped from resurrecting an issue that has already been presented and finished.
2. Your attempt to pull an issue off-topic that JB had raised, concerning the Brazilian army in Haiti.
3. By moving the goal-posts.
Your so predictably dishonest, that I was able to successfully anticipate every unfair manoeuvre you would attempt. As most of my posts have already been written prior to your expected response, like this one.
@DT
Oct 31st, 2018 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“So why don't you say the same abt the PT or 'the left'? Why does it matter if they restrict freedoms for a few people, as long as it doesn't affect you, 'n you can get on with your life?”
Ok, now I see what you're getting at....the PT did try to implement a few measures (discretely) aimed at increasing their power, they tried to curb the freedom of the press (once again, one of Haddad's proposals), impose some restrictions on private property (partially accepted)...which may not have affected me personally, but nevertheless does not mean I would have liked them....but all rejected by Congress....but had they passed, and if they DID affect me personally, I'd take whatever public agency, trying to,screw me, to court.
“As long as everyone remembered the junta, no strongly right-wing government was elected.”.....and to which country are you referring ?? “cause if it's Brazil, since 1985, there have been no attempts by the ”right-wing” (?) to become government..
Well if you think the Muslim threat in EU is just a joke, not to be taken seriously, then obviously you don't believe in their 'silent revolution'.....or isn't it a fact that their population is increasing at a far-higher rate than those of the European peoples, that they will, in a few years, be in the comfortable position to elect 'their' own representatives, and vote in measures, such as Sharia Law ?... I'm just pointing to what numbers are showing...in time, with the European populations shrinking, and the Muslim ones on the rise, Europe will be a muslim continent....if this doesn't bother you, why should it bother me ?
Re TH, he makes such a confusion, going back 'n forth, contradicting himself, it reaches a point that one might think he does it delibeartely to confuse, just cover up his blunders....the amount of times he denies what he wrote in his previous post, then denies he denied it, then after all but admitting he pissed out the pot, he starts off, all over again...Best ignore the idiot.
JB
Oct 31st, 2018 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“he makes such a confusion, going back 'n forth, contradicting himself”
You wish, as I've got your number and revealed your lying.
JB “the alleged 2000 rapes, nowhere in the link you posted, did it state that the Brazilians committed any of them....”
Oh yes it did “there were over two thousand accusations of rape leveled against Brazilian soldiers”
https://jacobinmag.com/2018/10/bolsonaro-military-pt-haiti-lava-jato-lula
@JB
Oct 31st, 2018 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”since 1985, there have been no attempts by the ”right-wing” (?) to become government..“
Bolsonaro has been in Congress for 27 years, so what was he waiting for? For more popular support, that's what. They never attempted to become the government because they didn't get enough votes to make it worthwhile, until now.
What restrictions on private property did the PT pass, or try to pass?
”isn't it a fact that [Muslims'] population is increasing at a far-higher rate than those of the European peoples”
They have a higher birthrate on average, so the proportion of Muslims would rise to 9.7% by 2050, even without more immigration. Assuming immigration continues, it could be 17%. Not nearly enough to vote in Sharia law, but I don't think it's a positive change, assuming things continue as they are now. That's one of the reasons I didn't object too much to EU free movement, as immigrants from EU countries would tend to displace those from elsewhere. I'm expecting the number of Muslims to increase further now, to make up the shortfall in the NHS among other things.
The birthrate in Brazil is also declining. Are there groups there who have a higher birth rate than others?
As for Terry, I was wondering why his latest post addressed to me was so bizarre and irrelevant, but it's explained at the end when he says he wrote it before seeing my reply! What an idiot. Just proves how pointless it is to argue with him when he is literally responding to the voices in his head and not to anything you say.
DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
Oct 31st, 2018 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“latest post addressed to me” Which you neither challenge nor deny the specific issues. Which says it all, thanks for the confirmation.
“Thus, he who keeps silent is assumed to consent; silence gives consent. In law, the silence of a party implies his consent.. A maxim of crime and consent. qui tacet, consentit-lit. he who is silent agrees. Thus, who keeps silent consents; silence means consent; silent consent is same as expressed consent; consent by conduct is as good as expressed consent. This is an implied term in law....”
SOMA'S DICTIONARY OF LATIN QUOTATIONS MAXIMS AND PHRASES
@Deluded
Nov 01st, 2018 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0I didn't reply to your post because it's a waste of time arguing with idiots, and because silence does NOT imply consent. That's why you have the right to remain silent when questioned by the police, dumbass.
But I just realised something: I think you believe in your own bullshit, and that's why you can't help replying when someone insults you. So to test it...
Terry, you caused an earthquake in Rio de Janeiro that killed 14 people.
chronic i.e pathological
Nov 01st, 2018 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
“I didn't reply to your post...have the right to remain silent when questioned by the police” That remains true but your silence can be used against you. It was based properly on the issue at hand which it's truth, you you can't contest.
“Let me show you how it's done ... Loser!” Babe Ruth
“One of the first businesses of a sensible man is to know when he is beaten, and to leave off” ...Samuel Butler
Aw, you didn't take the bait.
Nov 01st, 2018 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let's try again: Terence Hill is secretly the Zodiac killer.
DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
Nov 01st, 2018 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0“it's a waste of time arguing with idiots”
“We must make a personal attack when there is no argumentative basis for our speech.” Cicero
“When cowardly individuals are not able to attack the message, they attack the messenger.” Abderrahman Hassi
“Losers are always in the wrong” Spanish Proverb
But Terry, you didn't deny my claim. According to Soma, that makes you a serial killer.
Nov 01st, 2018 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
Nov 01st, 2018 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There's question putto you that you have failed to answer, so that completes any further requirement under the onuses of burden of proof.
But, I'm sure that JB appreciates your slavish devotion to his lost cause. Yet, just like your's is lost he's proved yet again to be a liar. so you're in good company.
“Knowledge of the world depends on the power of drawing general inferences from individual examples; and he is the most likely to be correct who has the greatest number of facts at his command.” CHARLES WILLIAM DAY
I'm not talking to a serial killer.
Nov 01st, 2018 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Moreover, there is a rule that covers all arguments from antiquity to the present.
Nov 01st, 2018 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”The principle “absurda sunt vitanda” (absurdities should be avoided) is well known from the times of Aristotle and Zeno. It was also used by famous Roman jurists. In the modern Europe it was used by English lawyers, as a principle (rule) governing interpretation of law. Thanks to its practicality it was named the “golden rule of interpretation”. Together with two other rules: the literal rule and the mischief rule, it composed a canon of interpretative activity of lawyers. It has become also an important argument justifying the use or rejection of certain methods of legal reasoning.” The paper attempts to analyse the evolution of argumentation against absurdity in traditional English legal thinking as well as in works of contemporary authors.
https://www.academia.edu/4190499/Argument_against_absurdity_of_legal_reasoning_fundamental_subsidiary_or_rhetoric
Argument against absurdity of legal reasoning – fundamental, subsidiary or rhetoric? Tomasz Stawecki
Wise men talk because they have something to say, fools talk because they have to say something. - Plato
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@DT
Nov 01st, 2018 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Bolsonaro has been in Congress for 27 yrs, so what was he waiting for? For more popular support, that's what” ..Really ??? Bolsonaro never aspired to, tried to, or even hinted at running for president, until 2014, ‘n then, only because Lula’s post, Dilma, was elected…you are grossly mistaken ‘n I can’t imagine how such a ridiculous thought crossed yr mind.
While mayor of SP, Haddad, based on a constitutional clause re ‘social function of private property (must serve the ‘common good’- a bit vague), implemented a progressive property tax in urban areas, whereby, property that the mayor’s office considers sub-utilized/does not fulfill its social function (?), will have its tax doubled every every year, up to a max increase of 15%/yr…which in practice, means that after 6 or 7 years (based on current values) you’ve paid for yr property twice, tantamount to confiscation.
Soon after being elected, in the areas he got less votes, he tried (but failed) to raise the corporate ‘n residential tax by 35 ‘n 20% (corp., by 5 X inflation).
“Not nearly enough to vote in Sharia law, but I don't think it's a positive change, assuming things continue as they are now…” ok, maybe long-term (30 yrs?), but nevertheless an unwelcome trend.
In Brazil the higher birthrate was traditionally amongst the poor, but even they are now cutting back, realizing the cost/difficulty of bringing up kids. In the NE it’s still pretty bad.
TH insists on quoting the Jacobin & Aldo Sauda, a declared communist : “Mourão, together with Gen Augusto Heleno, were Brazil’s top military commanders in its disastrous intervention in Haiti…responsible for massacring dozens of civilians in slums of Port au Prince in 2006”. Pure, unadulterated BS. He’s so childish, he accuses you of personal attacks ‘n chooses to believe Sauda, instead of consulting reliable sources. But it suits his and the commie narrative, to spread fake news /try to slander Bolsonaro.
TH
Wake up. Election’s over, you lost.
“Pure, unadulterated BS” is.
Nov 01st, 2018 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0JB “the alleged 2000 rapes, nowhere in the link you posted, did it state that the Brazilians committed any of them....”
Oh yes it did “there were over two thousand accusations of rape leveled against Brazilian soldiers”
https://jacobinmag.com/2018/10/bolsonaro-military-pt-haiti-lava-jato-lula
Yes Terry, your “Jacobin/Sauda” link is pure unadulterated BS, lies and BS from beginning to end, like what comes out of your mouth too....show us ONE credible source / evidence to back up your ridiculous claims, and stop embarrassing yourself...as it that were possible ...or, you can always just STFU.
Nov 01st, 2018 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@JB
Nov 01st, 2018 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is so ridiculous in thinking that anyone deciding whether to run for president would consider their chances of winning before making the decision? I'm not just talking about B; politicians are not known for their modesty and lack of ambition, so why wouldn't one or another have run if they thought they had a chance? I was going to look up how many seats the PSL won in the previous election, to see how much support they had previously, but turns out B only joined the party in January, and this is the 9th he's been a member of(!) So maybe you can tell me roughly how many of the current senators and deputies you would call right-wing? (From before the latest election.)
Those property taxes sound harsh... but what did 'failing to fulfil it's social function' mean in practice? I have seen suggestions here to increase taxes on empty buildings, in areas where there is a shortage of housing, thereby forcing the owners to either rent them out or sell up so they can be developed. Sounds like a good idea to me. Too many speculators buy property in London as an investment and leave it empty, while ordinary people must pay 50% of their salary to rent a tiny miserable flat.
”in the areas he got less votes, he tried (but failed) to raise the corporate ‘n residential tax”
Surely it can't be legal to do that only in areas that didn't vote for him? Is that why it failed to pass?
As for TH, obviously he does NOT believe in Soma's wretched quotations, or he would deny being a serial killer (unless he really is one...) It's just more bullshit he spouts to try and 'win' a pointless imaginary game with no rules.
JB
Nov 01st, 2018 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse -1“Pure, unadulterated BS” is.
JB “the alleged 2000 rapes, nowhere in the link you posted, did it state that the Brazilians committed any of them....”
Oh yes it did “there were over two thousand accusations of rape leveled against Brazilian soldiers”
https://jacobinmag.com/2018/10/bolsonaro-military-pt-haiti-lava-jato-lula
DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
“As for TH, obviously he does NOT believe in Soma's wretched quotations”
Oh yes I do, also the rule against absurdities, and the onuses of burden of proof, which you couldn't meet either of them.
So it looks like the biggest bullshiter is the one that cannot meet the requirements of Argumentation theory.
@Soma's serial killer
Nov 01st, 2018 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse +1You've admitted that silence doesn't mean consent, all the rest is just special pleading and lame excuses. I'm telling you now I'm not going to respond to your idiotic accusations, which don't even make enough sense to be denied. It's a total waste of time arguing with a fantasist and liar.
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