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Falklands’ war tested modernized Super Etendard in Argentine Navy’s agenda

The possible transfer to Argentina of a refurbished model of the French manufactured fighter-bomber Super Etendard, which had an outstanding performance during the 1982 Falkland Islands conflict, is under consideration by the French Ministry of Defence, reveals the French publication, Mer & Marine.

Argentina has 11 Super Etendard but in 2015 could see them converted into SEM

The operation which includes giving the Argentines part of the sophisticated avionics of the Super Etendard Modernized (SEM) model would take place in 2015 when the French navy will de decommissioning their air fleet to be replaced by the new Rafale.

However in the event of the operation going ahead it will depend on the availability of SEMs at the moment the French navy begins the decommissioning process, subject to the Rafale delivery program.

If an agreement is reached with Argentina it won’t necessarily mean the transfer of aircraft to fly with the Argentine Navy colours.

“The sale of aircraft or spares in stock will only be leased to ensure the modernization of the Argentine Super Etendard”, points out a French military source quoted by the publication.

In 1979 Argentina purchased 14 French Super Etendard, five of them were delivered before the Falkland Islands conflict and the rest following the end of hostilities with Britain.

Originally purchased to operate from the air carrier ARA 25 de Mayo, the eleven which remain, are now grounded in air fields because of the decommissioning of the carrier.

Since they use the same aircraft, the Argentine and French navies hold regular contacts and exchange of information.

To such an extent that Argentine pilots recently visited Landivisiau, northwest Bretagne, for training purposes and to be updated on the evolution of the SEM.

The Dassault Aviation Super Etendard flew for the first time in 1974 and four years later 74 of them were incorporated to the French Navy. Since then it has undergone several upgrading which make it “a reliable, modern and extremely polyvalent aircraft”.

The SEM refurbishing has included improved radar (Anemone), an Atlis laser system, Sherloc detectors, heat oriented Barracuda missile and Alka and Phimat flare systems.

In 1997 SEM was equipped with laser guided bombs and AS 30 missiles. As of 2003, 25 SEMs have night operational gear, a combination of GPS and laser which enables the aircraft to pinpoint the objective with just a few metres precision.

“This modernization process should enable the SEM to remain highly effective until at least 2015”, points out the Mer & Marine publication.

 

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1 khh (#) Feb 21st, 2010 - 11:23 pm Report abuse
lol , modern- what a joke! a typhoon could come up to one , shit on its wing and be gone with a flash. But having said that I still would not want one bombing me.
2 Carlos Tevez (#) Feb 21st, 2010 - 11:26 pm Report abuse
Las islas malvinas van a ser siempre argentinas. Los piratas ingleses se apoderaron un tiempo de ellas, pero van a volver a ser nuestras.
3 carlos tevez (#) Feb 21st, 2010 - 11:31 pm Report abuse
The Falkland Islands will always be Argentine. English pirates seized a time for them, but they will again be ours.
4 malvinas (#) Feb 21st, 2010 - 11:50 pm Report abuse
Devuelvan las malvinas!
5 MAP (#) Feb 22nd, 2010 - 12:17 am Report abuse
What is this? Is someone actually trying to spread the idea that Argentina could resort to military means in this conflict?
It is a well known strategy to demonize a rival, scare people with the “mighty” super etendard... fear is used to control people, and it is spread thru the media (shame on mercopress). Please Brits... kelpers, and others... those airplanes are over 30 years old... the sea air and metal fatigue alone would take care of them before the typhoons are even scrambled.
Cheers
6 exocet82 (#) Feb 22nd, 2010 - 12:32 am Report abuse
I don't believe that this will happen. ARA is interested in the Navalized version of the IA 63 with all the bells & whistles. This is now a posibility since the taking back of the the Cordoba factory from Lockheed. Plus some supersonic aircraft, if not F-18, than a Sukhoi would suit them. Do not discount a national development and perhaps a partnership, or a joint FAA/ARA arangement. With all this rattling lately, it appears that the hawks are having their day in the halls of Govt. these days.
I will not discredit the SEM. They have been well maintained and have very sophisticated equiment. They can surely be upgraded even further. Their weapond will reach their target.
7 MAP (#) Feb 22nd, 2010 - 12:44 am Report abuse
Thinking again... even though these airplanes are the equivalent of flying coffins.. there is one thing to fear, the skill and courage of the Argentine pilots. The footage from 1982 is absolutely stunning, those fellows have balls the size of coconuts.
8 hug gallucci (#) Feb 22nd, 2010 - 12:50 am Report abuse
Tal vez no LLEGE a vivir para verlo, pero Dios me regalo cuatro hijos y no tengo dudas que ellos sus hijos o sus nietos veran flamear la bandera de mi patria en Las Malvinas seran mias y las lagrimas que caigan de sus Howard Johnson, mi tambien La sangre que explote en sus pechos argentinos
9 Nicholas (#) Feb 22nd, 2010 - 12:55 am Report abuse
Laugh, old junk and the che idiots can't afford new jets.
Che idot exocet typed:
ARA is interested in the Navalized version of the IA 63 with all the bells & whistles. This is now a posibility since the taking back of the the Cordoba factory from Lockheed.

Laugh, keep on dreaming. Clowns like you live in fantasy land. All hot air talk and reality, empty and worthless.
10 Khh (#) Feb 22nd, 2010 - 01:03 am Report abuse
The Uk will have the new F-35 Joint Strike Fighter by the time the argies get these old rust buckets!
11 exocet82 (#) Feb 22nd, 2010 - 01:22 am Report abuse
Greatings from Fantasy Land

The IA-63 airframe already exists. Newer versions will have a more powerful engine. FAA could incorporate a swing wing.
FAA Version IA-63
www.saorbats.com.ar/GaleriaSaorbats/SINPRODE05/images/Aeron5_DSCN9819_jpg.jpg

ARA/COAN Version IA-63
sp5.fotolog.com/photo/53/46/45/malvianas/1213446145019_f.jpg

During the SINPRODE exhibition in BA last October, a delegation from Boeing met with Nilda Garre at length to discuss equipment offers. No details were published. FAA has an initial Budget of U$S2bN for modernization. US is eager to make new inroads in the region again to offset the Russian & Chinese aggressively marketing. The French sales to Brazil was a big set back for US defense prospects in South America.
12 Nicholas (#) Feb 22nd, 2010 - 05:48 am Report abuse
“a delegation from Boeing met with Nilda Garre at length to discuss equipment offers.”
Just talk, but no actions so far, as usual. And if you really believe that the che idiot's are going to benefit from it, forget it, because Boeing knows that argie airforce is weak and worthless. Even the Chileans and in the main future, the Brazilians will dominate you clowns in air power.

“The French sales to Brazil was a big set back for US defense prospects in South America”

Well che idiot, it's not even sure if they go for the French jets. They are good, but the deal isn't closed yet and they are still in talks for the super bugs. Their is still a chance they that boeing will win.
13 Naty (#) Feb 22nd, 2010 - 06:05 am Report abuse
First of all, wars are stupid. Scondly, Argentina is in no condition of going to a war and I don't think anyone can fear that. It is obvious that just can happen. We dont have enough soldiers, ships, planes, weapons needed for a war and the people is against war. No one would volunteer no matter how patriotic they'd be. There has to be another solucion. Lets stop this for once
14 exocet82 (#) Feb 22nd, 2010 - 08:29 am Report abuse
Nicholas...you must have been known as the neighborhood idiot. I don't care whether Brazil or any one of our neighbors dominates us. We are becoming a unified region. If there is another fight, none of our neighbors will help you.
Ah, by teh way, Nilda Garre is scheduled to travel to the US next Spring to tour several defense contractors.
en.mercopress.com/2010/02/22/latinamerica-agrees-on-new-regional-organization-without-us-and-canada
15 ves (#) Feb 22nd, 2010 - 11:38 am Report abuse
bravo ! well done ! bully ! righto !
yu all ! nitro , exocet , jorge, gaucho , gdr ,.................
yu all “ my coutrymen” mashed all cheeky Brits Kids !!
“exceptional person” chenney idiot Nicholas flusters !

ves ,your brother who “ biology student” researchs on
“” exploiter creatures' behaviours “” !
16 JustinKuntz (#) Feb 22nd, 2010 - 12:27 pm Report abuse
Why would you put variable geometry wings on a transonic trainer? I'm sure the people who designed it are proud of it but really it isn't that big a deal. Re-nationalising the factory, oh dear, guess it'll run so much better with Kirschner cronies at the helm.
17 jorge (#) Feb 22nd, 2010 - 02:07 pm Report abuse
Idiot Nicholas, Your shitty country is losing its business here. That is happening because of people like you. Your country is going to the toilet (where it belongs) thanks to american politicians who think like you. Asshole!!
18 Jason (#) Feb 22nd, 2010 - 04:19 pm Report abuse
Sounds like a football game that is yet to be played. No this is better than that. No way man. with these upgrades these are better. Well I don't know if these guy fly like the last time have balls wow man. No way dude they suck balls hehe. Oh no they dont with these new finnigan pins attached to the johnson rod now they are sure to win this right Frank. I don't know Jim these boys are raren to go. Lets see what happens! It's sounds like a couple of monkeys grabbing their balls while in the middle of a stand off.
19 pedro (#) Feb 22nd, 2010 - 04:56 pm Report abuse
porque no se dejan de decir pavadas, en lugar de querer matarse entre uds. no arreglamos un concurso de sexo hacemos un intercambio de mujeres y listo!! el amor es mejor que la guerra se los digo por experiencia,dejen que nuestros políticos arreglen esto si pueden y los milicos si es necesario.che no se cansan de ver tanta miseria????
20 Dominicano (#) Feb 22nd, 2010 - 05:35 pm Report abuse
Argentinian army, air force and navy are too weak to fight the british. Don't let your gouvernment push you to those wild fighters. They're superpowerful militarily and economicly. If I were you, poor and argentinians, I would let it go in order to keep on living.
21 nitrojuan (#) Feb 22nd, 2010 - 07:24 pm Report abuse
i cant believe it Dominicano ! if you were invaded to UK or US maybe you will be a better country, like Puerto Rico or Bahamas... Dominicanos comes to Argentina to dont die of hungry and make the opinion that we are poors.. JAJAJAJAJA... Dimplomacy will win.. your country support to Argentina too.. idiot..
22 HaHahA (#) Feb 22nd, 2010 - 08:06 pm Report abuse
Worlds 2nd best Navy UK, Worlds 2nd best Airforce UK you Argie Bargies aint got a clue, we make our planes you have to buy yours from elsewhere cause your not clever enough, the UK has the power and the backing of all the big players against you Argie Bargie bullys, no run along back to your inter breeding because this time the UK will not stop at just getting the islands back if you try anything we will take you country too, not that its worth anything or has anything but just to stop you pigs from trying youselves again.
23 Mr Argentine (#) Feb 22nd, 2010 - 08:09 pm Report abuse
We Argentines will fight the UK and win and then come to UK and live in your big houses and take all your work,jobs, fast cars and women, and we make you UK people work on farms and clean our toilets
24 ton (#) Feb 22nd, 2010 - 08:52 pm Report abuse
oooopppsss ...me want women of them ..the rest are ,
their :imported cars , hut houses, fraudulent accounted banks ,
spoiler oil and mining companies ..for you !!!
25 pfloyd (#) Feb 22nd, 2010 - 11:29 pm Report abuse
oh oh oh me argentine, me live in mud hut & hit wife with club, me not to bright, me have friends called jorge & nitro. me friends call me bobo or che.
26 Matt (#) Feb 23rd, 2010 - 03:30 am Report abuse
The Falklands belong to Britain. Argentina will lose again. You cannot win a war when your military is filled with a bunch of incompetant fools. This time Britain will use Tomahawks and wipe out every airfield within range of the Falklands. They will destroy your navy and you will be ruined. I hope that you are not stupid enough to try again.
27 Nicholas (#) Feb 23rd, 2010 - 04:09 am Report abuse
“I hope that you are not stupid enough to try again.”
They will try again. Why? They are che idiots who are stupid enough to make the same mistakes.

Oh Jorge, you prove again how retarded you are. He might visit the US again and I bet with you he will go back empty handed back his slum, called Argentina, the republic of che idiots. Laugh.......
28 rad121 (#) Feb 23rd, 2010 - 02:16 pm Report abuse
This is class. Keep it up. Been chuckling into my tea over some of these posts all afternoon.
29 PEPINO (#) Feb 24th, 2010 - 08:05 pm Report abuse
Only the british bigotrism, absence of any kind of common sense and a lot of isolated brains could make us put in war again. You can read of wary statements at any forum in british newspapers. Ashamed of so childish approach to our problem. Keep those stupid ideas at bay and confront real life.
Islanders need some kind of assurance for keeping their way of life. Many people here in Argentina should reaffirm that right for the kelpers.
Argentinos we will demand sovereignity in a reasonable term of time. Both ideas not necessary antagonic.
The oil&gas turmoil is a british business, and it has a bad political prospect if here in the South Atlantic we don´t arrive at some kind of succesful negotiation. Military planes should be reserved for PC games.
Please, don´t misunderstand this: we in Argentina want a peaceful neighborhood but it doesn´t mean “surrender again”. An error in this appreciation should be costly for everybody around for next generations.
By the way, couldn´t you invite “Old Plastic Face” and put her to work in some isolated sheep farm?
30 Matt (#) Feb 25th, 2010 - 01:37 am Report abuse
@Pepino- If you want peace leave Britain alone. They owe you nothing. The Falklands do not belong to Argentina. You people constantly whine and cry and demand what is not yours. You are nothing but a bunch overly dramatic caudillos with delusions of grandeur. You started a war and lost it and you will only lose again. Why don't you start some crap with Chile or Brazil? Oh thats right, they would kick you butts.
31 Pepino (#) Feb 25th, 2010 - 02:40 am Report abuse
Ok, Matt, it s clear that reasoning is not your strength, threatening and insulting seems more comfortable for you. Hi school logic. Leave the strategy and negotiations for your elders.
32 Charly (#) Feb 25th, 2010 - 06:50 am Report abuse
@Matt

You play a lot of games wars on your play station II.

Argentina can defeat Britain anytime your Army is not so powerful as you believe and Argentina is not so weak as you take for granted.

You have not Idea what weapons Argentina has like in 1982.
You just were so lucky that’s all.

Argentina Army was threaten in 2 flanks, when the war started in 1982, I mean Chile and UK.
So Argentina didn’t deployed all its Army in the conflict.
And made a lot of tactical mistakes, because the Military Junta ant the time never thought that UK would try to send troops down here.

And the situation of UK now is even worst than Argentina was facing in 1982.

Your troops are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan and taking a bloody nose there.

You lack of equipment and a proper navy to fight a war here.

You own commanders recognized that UK was so lucky in 1982.

Even though Argentina has downsize the number or personnel in the force, don’t make a mistake.

Before the Army was made of conscripts without training.

But now Argentina’s Army force has professionals soldiers well trained.

How Close To Defeat was UK in 1982.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVDeN7iB4NE&feature=related
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLyBJivfADI&feature=related
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLrfFrSLVKM&feature=related
www.youtube.com/watch?v=phe0-McGhbk&feature=related
www.youtube.com/watch?v=H14zwSBKpuQ&feature=related

Regards,
33 Charly (#) Feb 25th, 2010 - 07:34 am Report abuse
@Matt

And before you start this crap about your EUROFIGHTER TYPHOON, etc.

Let me tell you that they will be useful this time, Argentina can lunch missiles from the cost and sink the entire island with you on it.

So instead to blame Argentina about this mess think again who is putting your life in danger.

I will give you the name, the Stupid Gordon Brown that seems it is not enough for him to ruin Britain. No. No. He wants another war to perpetuate him self in power that’s it, very simple.

Regards,
34 NIGEL (#) Feb 25th, 2010 - 02:30 pm Report abuse
As the saying goes, 'ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS”! All the abusive comments from both sides count for nothing. If the Argentines really believe that the Falklands belong to them, then lets go for it. If they really believe they can take on the British and win, then bring it on, otherwise just get on with your lives, stop whinging, and put your efforts into sorting out your country and improving your peoples standard of living instead of making idle threats.
35 César (#) Feb 25th, 2010 - 04:03 pm Report abuse
MAP; NICHOLAS and the others british scum: ok, the S.E. are 30 years old, but in 1982 the skyhawks A4B had 30 y.o. too...please ask for HMS Coventry, Broadsword, Antelope, Ardent, Antrim, Sir Tristam, Sir Galahad, Atlantic Conveyor, “Invincible” ja very good, Sir Lancelot, Sir Bedivere, Brilliant, Cardiff, and many many more (sunk or damaged) . Cheers
36 alex (#) Feb 25th, 2010 - 08:41 pm Report abuse
Cesar, very interesting list you have made, but not quite complete.<br />
You have forgotten: Alferes Sobrai, Santa Fe (submarine),Rio Ugaza,Rio Carcarana,Bahia Buen Suceso,Narwal,Isla de los Estados and cruiser Belgrano.<br />
Oh, by the way! even you say you damaged or sunk carrier Invincible,<br />
the crew obviously did not notice it! It continued to operate and is still,(as far i know) operating. Some people reported it sunk several times<br />
but..... Ghost ship or ??Cheers.
37 LOL (#) Feb 25th, 2010 - 09:53 pm Report abuse
US BRITS WILL USE OUR CRUISE MISSILE SUBMARINES TO HIT YOUR AIRFIELDS FROM THE SKY !!!!

YOUR SHIPS WILL BE SUNK BY OUR ASTUTE CLASS SUBMARINE
THE BEST ATTACK SUMBARINE IN THE WORLD

CAN DETECT A SHIP LEAVING NEW YORK FROM LONDON , NOTHING WILL REACH OUR ISLANDS

YOUR 30 YEAR OLD JEST WILL BE DESTROYED BY THE EUROFIGHTER

OUR DARING CLASS DESTROYERS WILL DESTROY ANY MISSILE OR AIRPLANE WHICH REACHES THE ISLAND, THE MOST ADVANCE ANTI AIR MISSILE DESTROYER IN THE WORLD

I WILL SEND YOU A POSTCARD FROM MY NEW HOLIDAY HOME BOUGHT BY FROM THE MONEY WE BRITS WILL MAKE FROM YOUR OIL


HAHAHAHAH !!! HAHAHAHAHAHAH !!! AHAHAHHAHA

HOW WILL YOU GET THESE ISLANDS BACK ARGENTINA HOW ? TELL ME HOW !!!
38 LOL (#) Feb 25th, 2010 - 09:54 pm Report abuse
And did those feet in ancient time<br />
Walk upon England's mountains green?<br />
And was the holy Lamb of God<br />
On England's pleasant pastures seen?<br />
And did the Countenance Divine<br />
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?<br />
And was Jerusalem builded here<br />
Among those dark Satanic mills?<br />
<br />
Bring me my bow of burning gold:<br />
Bring me my arrows of desire:<br />
Bring me my spear: O clouds, unfold!<br />
Bring me my chariot of fire!<br />
I will not cease from mental fight,<br />
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand<br />
Till we have built Jerusalem<br />
In England's green and pleasant land.
39 alex (#) Feb 25th, 2010 - 10:49 pm Report abuse
#101
Islander have you read “Little red Ridinghood” ??
Better be sure the hunter are in the neighborhood!
40 exocet82 (#) Feb 26th, 2010 - 05:21 am Report abuse
LOL, you say
“US BRITS WILL USE OUR CRUISE MISSILE SUBMARINES TO HIT YOUR AIRFIELDS FROM THE SKY !!!!
YOUR SHIPS WILL BE SUNK BY OUR ASTUTE CLASS SUBMARINE
THE BEST ATTACK SUMBARINE IN THE WORLD
CAN DETECT A SHIP LEAVING NEW YORK FROM LONDON , NOTHING WILL REACH OUR ISLANDS
YOUR 30 YEAR OLD JEST WILL BE DESTROYED BY THE EUROFIGHTER
OUR DARING CLASS DESTROYERS WILL DESTROY ANY MISSILE OR AIRPLANE WHICH REACHES THE ISLAND, THE MOST ADVANCE ANTI AIR MISSILE DESTROYER IN THE WORLD
I WILL SEND YOU A POSTCARD FROM MY NEW HOLIDAY HOME BOUGHT BY FROM THE MONEY WE BRITS WILL MAKE FROM YOUR OIL”

When you attack the mainland, the rest of Latin america will be behind us. We will be showered with offers of weaponry. From SU-35s' to F-16s', Mirage 2000s' from our neighbors. From Venezuela to peru to Chile and Brazil. Let there be no doubt about it. We will have millions of Volunteers. We united have the largest conventinal Submarine flett in the world. Your sub will be useless. When it fires its missiles it will be detected by our SAOCOM satellite taht will be up shortly. The action will take place over the ocean. Your destroyer cannot stop a dcondor missile warhead.

I am glad that you admit that you are going to buy your holiday home with “OUR OIL”. We will bill you on your credit card at 35% interest rate.

Gentlemen(and Ladies). If another shoot out breaks out, many a Islander will die.
41 Dan (#) Feb 27th, 2010 - 12:12 pm Report abuse
There's no way that Britain is going to just give you the islands, we was planning on talks about sovereignty before the first war, Once Argentina invaded you ruined any peaceful means of getting those islands. <br />
<br />
The main problem is that the people of the islands don't want any thing to do with Argentina, you've treated them like shit over the years. I don't blame them for not wanting Argentina.<br />
<br />
No matter what claim through hundred year old treaties were signed the claim of the current people who live on the island is what matters the most. Most argies refuse to even see the Falklands as a country, you think it's a British colony . They have their own government, they choose to stay a British over seas territory. If they wanted to change their sovereignty they could at any time. Britain spends a lot of money defending those islands and they are very great full where as Argentina has only tried to invade them and claim that the own their lands and hassle them in open waters. <br />
<br />
As for getting it back via military means. Well i believe that you Argentinians are getting a bit of a bloated head, and im unsure why. You have no means to project your military onto the islands, your weapons, ships and aircraft are exactly the same as you had in the last war. All the British equipment is top of the range, comparable with Americas equipment. <br />
<br />
Some people suggested that all of Latin America uniting against Britain. The British play with the big boys, and as such are very good friends with most of the world, their military works with or has trained most of the worlds military. Heck they even trained yours before the Falklands.<br />
<br />
The British would defend those islands tooth and nail, It's the stubborn British pride.
42 AlfNotSure (#) Feb 27th, 2010 - 07:26 pm Report abuse
@Dan
Not so sure mate #1

“The news that the seabed around the Falklands might contain rich oil deposits was first conveyed to a British government in 1969. Richard Crossman, then a member of the cabinet, recorded in his diary his surprise at the fact that ”the Foreign Office said that the only thing to do was to conceal the suggestion and prevent any testing“. What the FCO feared was that exploration would aggravate the territorial dispute with Argentina. In public, British politicians maintained a show of confidence in Britain's legal sovereignty over the islands, just as they do again now in the face of Argentinian protests over the drilling rig in the north basin. In private, they were less sure. In 1936, John Troutbeck, head of the FCO's American department, wrote a memo summarising the problem. The difficulty of Britain's position was that ”our seizure of the Falkland Islands in 1833 was so arbitrary a procedure as judged by the ideology of the present day. It is therefore not easy to explain our possession without showing ­ourselves up as international bandits.”

www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2010/feb/27/falklands-oil-dispute-ian-jack

Not so sure mate#2
They have one of the better fighter pilots in the world.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUZu8bvxJs4
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VPkJWWGn3o&NR=1
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo0BNYGgEV4

But now Argentina has modern missiles, satellites, etc

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