Thursday, July 29th 2010 - 00:49 UTC

Mujica and CFK announce agreement to jointly monitor the River Uruguay

Uruguay and Argentina finally reached on Wednesday an agreement for the joint monitoring of the River Uruguay which should end the long-standing dispute over the construction of the Finnish UPM/Botnia pulp mill dating back to 2005.

The presidential agreement should end years of dispute between Argentina and Uruguay Zoom Image

The announcement was done by Uruguayan Foreign Affairs minister Luis Almagro and his Argentine counterpart Hector Timerman in Buenos Aires following a two-hour meeting at the Olivos residence in Buenos Aires of Presidents Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, CFK, and José “Pepe” Mujica.

The agreement signed by both Presidents refers to the internal monitoring of the UPM/Botnia plant but also includes the monitoring of “every industry that dumps their effluents in the Uruguay River.”

The control will be done by a committee formed by two scientists from each country that will work on the monitoring of the Uruguay River with the Administrative Commission of the River Uruguay (CARU). The committee will be allowed to test the river twelve times per year and their reports will be public. The committee should be operational in thirty days.

According to the agreement read by Timerman during the press conference, the monitoring will begin at the UPM building and will continue with one of the industries located at Argentina's shores chosen by Uruguay.

“It's a great satisfaction to take up again the monitoring program initiated in 1999. We will add a scientific context to the control and will create a committee to be in charge of this issue,” Uruguayan Foreign Minister Luis Almagro said.

“This is end of a chapter and beginning of another”, said Timerman who added that the agreement “has made everybody happy thanks to the will displayed by both presidents”. He added he felt proud of what had been achieved to solve the conflict.

Mujica arrived by helicopter in Buenos Aires early afternoon to meet with Mrs. Kirchner to address the pulp mill conflict and other bilateral pending issues.

Mujica before leaving Montevideo said he was convinced that “somehow” an agreement will be reached. The two presidents last June 2 met in the Uruguayan presidential estancia in Colonia when they imposed themselves a 60 days timetable to overcome the dispute.

The agreement is expected to eliminate the main motive behind the pickets that since 2006 blocked the international bridge linking the neighbouring countries to protest the alleged contamination of the UPM/Botnia plant, which was build following the European Union latest and strictest environmental rules.

Jose Pouler, one of the leaders of the Gualeguaychú pickets said that “personally” he was not satisfied with the agreement reached by Mrs. Kirchner and Mujica. “If they worked so much for so long, this is a regrettable agreement”.

“Nevertheless we must carefully read the small letter of the agreement, According to what I have heard it is nowhere near what was originally promised”, said Pouler.

Luis Leysa, solicitor for a group of environmentalists said that his team of experts were reading the agreement but “as a first comment I can say that the routine checking, air and water, is not going to be done with the periodicity or multi disciplinary scientific rigor that was originally proposed by us”.
 

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1 Think (#) Jul 29th, 2010 - 03:14 am Report abuse
:-)))))))))))))))))))))))
2 Hoytred (#) Jul 29th, 2010 - 06:19 am Report abuse
Hoorah ... got there in the end. But are the pickets happy? Someone should tell them that it'll never get better if you pick it! (or so my old Mum told me :-)
3 Cadfael (#) Jul 29th, 2010 - 07:58 am Report abuse
The installation of automatic equipment, up-stream and downstream on both banks would have solved all problems long ago.
4 harrier61 (#) Jul 29th, 2010 - 10:38 am Report abuse
Automatic equipment would have solved the problems? So Argentina has “engineered” a bit of industrial espionage.
5 Liberty (#) Jul 29th, 2010 - 12:32 pm Report abuse
Mujica's deal is not a win for Uruguay but a lost. BIG win for Argentina. The deal favors a country hungry for domination. Another tanning factory closed doors in Uruguay, leaving 700 employees out of work, it becomes the everyday norm. Stora-Enso, Portucel, ENCE are not going to establish their mills in Uruguay. All along the conflict was generated to take away Uruguay’s industrial investment.
6 Think (#) Jul 29th, 2010 - 01:42 pm Report abuse
THIMC
Three birds with one shot!
1) The bridge is open.
2) A lot of political goodwill for both our presidents.
3) The control of the polluting industries on the Argentinean side of the river will be managed and run centrally.
I can’t keep my hands down!
Win – Win situation............ again

PS:
By the way guys..... It’s not going so good for Argos Resources stock on their first day on the floor..
- 9% on introduction day!!!
That’s not gooooooooooood........
7 Hoytred (#) Jul 29th, 2010 - 02:22 pm Report abuse
What were they 31p ... so 9% is just under 3p .............. so down to 28p! Nope, some of the few shares I've got (non-oil) bounce around far more than that. And Argos are on AIM ..... only to be expected. I would not be surprised at bigger fluctuation to come........... exploring is a dangerous game!

So ... how the news going down with the pickets then ??
8 Think (#) Jul 29th, 2010 - 02:24 pm Report abuse
What Pickles?
9 harrier61 (#) Jul 29th, 2010 - 04:16 pm Report abuse
What a pity for Uruguay. Wonder how much Mujica is going to be paid?

Argentina seems to be moving down the track of weakening any opposition before taking over.

What a pity for Argentina that the Falkland Islands can't be dealt with the same way. But the Islanders have a long history of standing up for themselves, as does Britain.
10 Think (#) Jul 29th, 2010 - 05:41 pm Report abuse
Uruguayan president Jose Mujica, 75, formally declared to the Transparency and Public Ethics commission that his entire wealth amounts to a 1987 Volkswagen Beetle valued at about 1.900 US dollars.
en.mercopress.com/2010/06/05/uruguayan-president-mujica-only-asset-is-a-1987-vw-beatle

Con diez tipazos como el Pepe pararíamos a toda America Latina.
11 Liberty (#) Jul 29th, 2010 - 06:46 pm Report abuse
9 harrier61:
Good post, mate, that’s the truth, the old decrepit traitor tupamaro has sold the present and the future of the Uruguayan people. But again 99% of this country is brainless like the argentinians, just give them, bones, stew and mate.
12 Think (#) Jul 29th, 2010 - 06:55 pm Report abuse
An introduction to Pepe Mujica; my president on the other side........

www.youtube.com/watch?v=24FfHZuhChk

And be carefull with his bitch!!!...
Manuelita; the indigenous anti capitalistic Rottweiler :-0
13 harrier61 (#) Jul 29th, 2010 - 07:16 pm Report abuse
Lovely. So now we can confidently expect pictures and reports of Mujica living in poverty. Can't afford much on US$1,900. Lots of room, and time, for covert investigations.
14 Think (#) Jul 29th, 2010 - 07:22 pm Report abuse
Pepe Mujica... the richest man of Uruguay....
80% love him....
19% respect him
1% are American Marines that sleep with a rifle instead of a woman.....
15 Hoytred (#) Jul 29th, 2010 - 11:21 pm Report abuse
www.buenosairesherald.com/BreakingNews/View/40676

Those pickles :-)
16 Think (#) Jul 30th, 2010 - 02:26 am Report abuse
(15) Hoyt
Ahhhh................ those pickles.

I suppose they will go back “into the jar” after solving the problem.....
Like these ones:
www.londonoutloud.co.uk/antiwardemo.html
17 Hoytred (#) Jul 30th, 2010 - 08:21 am Report abuse
Hey ... don't knock it, where do you think all the police overtime comes from ?
18 Think (#) Jul 30th, 2010 - 10:52 am Report abuse
I thought you were retired?
Still 4 years before GB goes out of Afghanistan in utter Victory....
Lots of overtime possibilities...
19 Hoytred (#) Jul 30th, 2010 - 01:06 pm Report abuse
Never mind ... there's always something else to whinge about :-)
20 Think (#) Jul 30th, 2010 - 02:59 pm Report abuse
(19) Hoyt
You say:
There's always something else to whinge about :-)
I say:
Well.............. that’s beginning to be a problem in the South Cone.
Argentina has no official quarrels to whinge about with Uruguay anymore....
Argentina has no official quarrels to whinge about with Brazil anymore....
Argentina has no official quarrels to whinge about with Paraguay anymore....
Argentina has no official quarrels to whinge about with Bolivia anymore....
Argentina has no official quarrels to whinge about with Chile anymore....
(besides a chunk of continental ice close to my ranchito)
Who’s left........ Think ...... Think..... Ahhhhhhh.....
21 Hoytred (#) Jul 30th, 2010 - 03:13 pm Report abuse
So ... what you're saying is ....
Uruguay has no official quarrel with Argentina anymore (over enthusiastic coast guards?)...
Brazil has no official quarrel with Argentina any more (import tarrifs and delays?).....
Parguay has no official quarrel with Argentina any more ....
Bolivia has no official quarrel with Argentina any more ...
Chile has no official quarrel with Argentina any more ( that great lump of ice?)...

Ok, so I've got two to work on ... give me time :-)
22 Redhoyt (#) Jul 30th, 2010 - 03:19 pm Report abuse
....... pass the pickle

www.buenosairesherald.com/BreakingNews/View/40774
23 Think (#) Jul 30th, 2010 - 04:07 pm Report abuse
(21) Hoyt
Take your time and try to perspectivize the points your mention.
They are quite insignifisicifniquicantical :-)

Is like me saying that the “Rockall Issue“ has any weight in British, Danish, Icelandic or Irish live or Friendship.

and (22) Yes, that' the price of democracy... a lot of meetings....... It's a cheap price.......
24 harrier61 (#) Jul 30th, 2010 - 05:01 pm Report abuse
@21 Hoytred. I thought Chile was upset about Argentina interfering in its trade with the Falkland Islands. You know, the best democracy in the South Atlantic and a constant thorn in the butt for Argentina.

Rule Britannia!!!!!!!!
25 Liberty (#) Jul 30th, 2010 - 05:22 pm Report abuse
“The committee is to be formed within the upcoming days and will be based on two Argentine and two Uruguayan scientifics, yet to be chosen”.
Argentina has lured a naive, corrupt president and leftish party right into their hands. Using argentinian & Uruguayan “ scientists” is a deal for disaster, I mean Uruguayan. I had the chance to read the deal the uneducated tupamaro Jose Mujica signed on a fly; it was posted in El Pais. Knowing that neither of these 2 countries have real scientists and the level of corruption that flows in Latinamerican nations; a bribe to these underpaid scientists is easy. Which means it will start a lawsuit against UPM.
The company at the end will win because already has the approval of the ICJ. Uruguay will be forced to follow the signed agreement and pay around 2 billion dollars or more in punitive damages. According to the agreement, both nations supposedly will inspect each others industrial sites. 4 scientists are not enough to accomplish a huge task, especially on the argentinian side. Argentina has dozens of high polluting industries; small and poor Uruguay has only UPM to monitor.
26 Think (#) Jul 30th, 2010 - 08:55 pm Report abuse
Reading (25) Liberty:
”Using argentinian & Uruguayan “ scientists” is a deal for disaster...
The deal the uneducated tupamaro Jose Mujica signed on a fly...
Knowing that neither of these 2 countries have real scientists ...”

I came to THINK about some recently read texts from those fine Englishmen:

“At some future period not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace the savage races throughout the world. The break between man and his nearest Allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilized state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as the baboon, instead of as now between the Negro or Australian and the gorilla.”
Darwin, Charles (1874), The Descent of Man.
Or:
“Their mental characteristics are likewise very distinct; chiefly as it would appear in their emotional, but partly in their intellectual faculties. Everyone who has had the opportunity of comparison must have been struck with the contrast between the taciturn, even morose, aborigines of S. America and the light-hearted, talkative negroes.”
Darwin, Charles (1874), The Descent of Man.
Or:
“No rational man, cognizant of the facts, believes that the average Negro is the equal, still less the superior, of the white man. And if this be true, it is simply incredible that, when all his disabilities are removed, and our prognathus relative has a fair field and no favour, as well as no oppressor, he will be able to compete successfully with his bigger-brained and smaller jawed rival, in a contest which is to be carried out on by thoughts and not by bites.
Huxley, Thomas H. (1871), Lay Sermons, Addresses and Reviews

Could Liberty be the reincarnation of the English gentleman of the XIX century?
I doubt it!
27 Hoytred (#) Jul 31st, 2010 - 03:25 am Report abuse
“ ... insignifisicifniquicantical ...”

As indeed, is the Argentine issue over the Falklands to the British mind.

Good to see that you're learning more about Darwin. As you said a 'man of his time', but then again, aren't we all :-)
28 Think (#) Jul 31st, 2010 - 07:38 am Report abuse
(27)
You say:
“ ... insignifisicifniquicantical .... As indeed, is the Argentine issue over the Falklands to the British mind.”
I say:
We know... we know.... But we are working hard to get rid of the Prefix........
Soon it will be: ”signifisicifniquicantical”
29 Hoytred (#) Jul 31st, 2010 - 08:30 am Report abuse
Good ... I'd like to see you sow the wind :-)
30 Think (#) Jul 31st, 2010 - 09:02 am Report abuse
What would Dr. Darwin say about you throwing the Bible into a debate?

Try to be a man of our time! :-)
31 Liberty (#) Jul 31st, 2010 - 11:24 am Report abuse
26 Think:
Your style of false bravado is easy to spot. You started quoting my comment and followed up with Charles Darwin, kind of derange, isn’t?...Oh well, I imagine that YOUR kind cannot do better than mock those that post the truth. I understand your limited capacity to process information. I do consider you a buffoon, nothing else or maybe insane.
32 harrier61 (#) Jul 31st, 2010 - 04:56 pm Report abuse
@31. Liberty. But Twinky is deranged. Remember that Argentina has more psychiatrists then any other country.
33 Liberty (#) Jul 31st, 2010 - 06:08 pm Report abuse
32 harrier61:
“Twinkly” as you call Mr. Thinking. He accuses the English of pirates, colonialists, etc. “It” and his people don’t accept the Falklanders as legitimate heirs of the islands after 177 years of occupation. His country after decades of non democratic governments found democracy with Raul Alfonsin as president in 1983, after the embarrassing defeat at the Falklands. Almost 3 decades later they end up with a disguised monarchy (the Kirchners). “Do what I say but don’t do what I do”. They have the nerve to praise themselves, hypocrites.
34 Pheel (#) Aug 03rd, 2010 - 02:46 pm Report abuse
...sorry for the delay, I was far from my computer.
Agree with Think 6 with focus in:
3) The control of the polluting industries on the Argentinean side of the river will be managed and run centrally.
Can´t understand Liberty´s conclusion on ´hunger for domination´. The measures agreed would legitimize any sustainable industry in the area and dismiss the others. That includes a lot of argentine activity on the river borders. End of superstition over industrial development but with tight controls. Isn´t that win-win?
35 Think (#) Aug 03rd, 2010 - 03:14 pm Report abuse
(34) Pheel
Long time no see mate....
Played some good chess lately?
36 Pheel (#) Aug 03rd, 2010 - 04:25 pm Report abuse
35 Think

Work + annual holiday + tired of unsustainable warmongers.

Just order place and time...always ready - but if you give me options, I´d choose bridge.
37 Think (#) Aug 03rd, 2010 - 06:17 pm Report abuse
Maybe on day...
The mundo is chico. :-)
38 Liberty (#) Aug 03rd, 2010 - 06:43 pm Report abuse
“The mundo is chico”...that's why the argentinians still want the Falkland islands. It will never happen !!
39 Pheel (#) Aug 03rd, 2010 - 07:06 pm Report abuse
38 Liberty

As we say here: “Any bus is all right for you”
(cualquier bondi te deja bien)
40 Think (#) Aug 03rd, 2010 - 07:18 pm Report abuse
(39)Pheel

Don't waste your pólvora in this chimango.
He is más crazy that a cabra :-)
41 harrier61 (#) Aug 03rd, 2010 - 09:58 pm Report abuse
Self-determination ruled to be primary consideration. Argentine claims of “territorial integrity” no longer valid. All historical claims must bow to self-determination.

Long live the Falkland Islands!!

Rule Britannia!!!

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