Argentina further tightens the noose on the Falkland Islands
The Argentine senate unanimously approved Wednesday a bill that bars companies and persons from participating in hydrocarbons exploration and exploitation activities in the Argentine continental platform (which includes the Falkland Islands), and proscribes fines for infractions and barring periods of time from 5 to 20 years for companies that violate the law.
The bill had been approved last year in the Lower House and was promoted by opposition Deputy Fernando ‘Pino’ Solanas who is also a presidential pre-candidate for next October’s election in representation of the minority, Buenos Aires based Movimiento Proyecto Sur (South project movement).
The bill is targeted to impede companies located in Argentina from supporting oil activities in the Falkland Islands, which do not have the approval of the Argentine government.
According to Clarin, British Embassy sources defended the “right of the Falkland Islands government and people to develop their oil and gas industry”, which is supported by London and is “legitimate”.
Argentina’s policy under the Kirchner presidencies (beginning 2003) has been to consistently protest and present its sovereignty claims over the Falklands, --and who is authorized to develop the Islands’ resources--, in all possible international forums.
The bill approved in the Senate is in line with the Kirchner administration’s decisions and decrees relative to the Falklands and its insistence in ignoring the Islands inhabitants, and demand London abides by UN resolutions calling for sovereignty talks.
Argentina has managed support and explicit declarations from all regional forums: Mercosur, Unasur, Rio Group, Latin America’s summits.
“With all the power of this bill Argentina will impede that companies located in this country to support the illegal exploitation of hydrocarbons that Great Britain is pushing ahead with in our Islas Malvinas”, said Pino Solanas in his Facebook. He added that “we have achieved the full commitment of lawmakers with a policy of active defence of our national resources”.
“It’s the first real step towards the recovery of our strategic resources and to control our off-shore oil and gas reserves” he emphasized.
The main points of the bill indicate that:
“All hydrocarbons exploration and exploitation activities in the Islas Malvinas, Georgias del Sur and Sandwich del Sur must be subject to Argentine law”.
“No Argentine or foreign company authorized to operate in Argentina, or its shareholders will:
“Undertake oil activities in the Islands without previous authorization from the Argentine government”
“Have direct or indirect participation in any company involved in oil activities in the Argentine Continental Platform without having previous authorization from the Argentine government to operate or provide whatever services needed for those activities”
“Be involved in business deals with any company or person with the purpose of helping them develop oil activities in the Islands without authorization from the Argentine government”
“The companies or persons that violate the above mentioned prohibitions will be barred for 5 to 20 years, besides the criminal sanctions that might correspond. If those companies or persons have been awarded oil concessions, they will automatically revert to the Argentine government. Furthermore, any exemption or facilities related to taxes and social security contributions which they might enjoy will be revoked”
“No federal, provincial or municipal authority can agree to contracts with companies that directly or indirectly are involved in oil activities in the Argentine Continental Platform without previous authorization from the Argentine government to operate, or with its shareholders”
“The Argentine government will publish a list of those Argentine and foreign companies which are involved, without previous authorization, in oil activities in the Islas Malvinas”.
“If this project had been approved by the Senate and regulated on time we wouldn’t feel abused by the presence of a British oil exploration vessel in the port of Mar del Plata and our motherland would have reaffirmed in the economic field our sovereignty”, added Pino Solanas.
Since the bill was promoted by a member of the opposition the Executive promulgation can be expected at a politically favourable moment for the administration of President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, particularly in an electoral year.
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will have to put his money where his big mouth is, and the Falkland island representatives, should now DEMAND Mr Cameron gets of his back side and does something to stop Argentina from doing or enforcing this cowardly act, Mr Cameron is on a high at this moment in time, so now may be the time for the island representatives to call for help, and use the UK newspapers, you may not yet get a better chance,
as they say, strike while the iron is hot, and force the argentines into a humiliating climb down , and get the UK to back up it promise,
then again perhaps its not true, and you have nothing to worry about, just a thought to help .
Argentina has managed after begging and crying for ] support and explicit declarations from all regional forums: Mercosur,[mercy] Unasur,[ unsure] Rio Group, Latin America’s summits, BUT NOT the UK or the Falklands, OR THE UN, or Russia or china or France or the USA and I can go on all night.
basically they are saying do as we demand or our bloggers will talk and amuse you to death ???
I don't think big companies like being pushed around by banana republics, tin pot dictators or failed democracies....
FPSO = Nothing Argentina can do to stop potential future oil production.
One is rather amused :-)
Briton - don't spend time waiting for Argentina to back anything up. They have neither the will, the talent or the mechanisms. If you look at the policy there are a few get out clauses and Argentine approval can always be retrospective.
He's no-one, just an indoctrinated liar, with no proof for what he says, and an unenforceable law that they may as well print on Falkland Islands toilet paper.
Hang about, there's probably a market for that on the Islands...maybe I should patent the idea?
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This seems to indicate who is running the website;
People Behind the Site
We are Jason Lewis and Alison Inglis, a husband and wife team and we try to run this site. Jason has lived in the Falklands for over 15 years and Alsion over 7 years. We have two lively children who were born here and do take a lot of our time. So if the site doesn't appear to have been worked on for a while we're probably taking the kids to another party!
Thanks for the reply. I found in particular, “The Lexington Raid,” a bit colorful. In fact, it looked hacked. There is no historical basis for much of what was said.
The real issue is - which companies, if any, are likely to be affected. I think BHP Billiton got out of Argentina last year although I can't confirm this. I also seem to remember that one of the banks that's dealing with Argentina's debt has some interests. A way of Argentina defaulting on what it owes the bank maybe? They do enjoy a good default.
Anyone have any ideas?
Why? are you getting nervous already?
“The companies or persons that violate the above mentioned prohibitions will be barred for 5 to 20 years, besides the criminal sanctions that might correspond”
Get used to it :-)))
I am just trying to guage the effect. After all the UK has an option of passing a similar law, banning companies that want to work with the UK from working in Argentina. Now your government would scream and shout about that wouldn't it :-)
Wireless... he is trying for the prezzy's job.... only needs a few more percent....
from wiki.. 'In October 2007, Solanas was a presidential candidate in the Argentine general election, 2007 for the Authentic Socialist Party. He became the 5th most voted candidate, with 1.58% of the vote.'
The trouble with using little nails, is that they can come loose and fall out fairly easily.
You're implying that this is a cog in the machine that is speeding up Britain's exit from the South Atlantic. I would say that the opposite is true. Things like this, I imagine, would make the islanders more resolute and perpetuate the anti-Argentine feeling.
I guess to call this measure another nail in the coffin, you must be pretty sure that these attempts to damage the Falkland Islands' economy will be a resounding success in gaining sovereignty of them, but I can't see the Falklands being economically bullied into submission.
The UK will benefit from a strong and well developed Hydrocarbon Industry in the Falkland Islands, because the necessary expertise and facilities will be so much closer to SGSSI when the UK decides to develop that Hydrocarbon Industry, but this time with the revenue from Oil & Gas production within SGSSI going to the UK.
All Argentina can do is wave bits of unenforceable toilet paper, since it fails to take any claim of Sovereignty for either the Falkland Islands or SGSSI to the ICJ.
As Nelson frequently says, 'Ha Ha'.
You're already flying the union flag Kelper, how much closer to the UK can you get?
YOU ARE THE UK, nothing more.
www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/feb/25/falklands-sovereignty-argentina-britain
No other country in South America will support you, they're all loyal to Argentina. You're screwed.
Just because I'm living within 11 miles of the border with Wales, another separate and distinct country within the UK, does not make me Welsh.
Think of Jersey, within the English Channel, much nearer France than England, but the people their are British, and their Sovereignty is protected by the UK, but Jersey is not a part of the UK.
Just because you are fixated with one system of government does not mean everyone else on the planet has to choose to live under the same system of government as you, and the good news is they don't, and by their own free choice in the matter.
It would seem that even if a thousand years were to pass, you would never understand what it means to be British.
“Is it not time for Britain to stop behaving like a 19th-century colonial power and heed the call of the United Nations to discuss the question of sovereignty with Argentina?”
“ Only thing would stop me living here, is the right to roam, or lack thereof...i see lots of daunting signs as to not trespass without persmission”
So the Sheep shagger got tired of the kelpers and went back home.
Who cares?
Having good local relations with South America would benefit all but it is not actually necessary. If oil was found then the whole operation could be achieved with infrastructure either on the islands or offshore. There are ships now that can process the oil taking it straight from the 'tap' to the customer.
If there's no oil well then South Amerifcan intransigence may keep the price of tomatoes up but the islanders would not find life very different.
New accords are being opened up with the St Helena group and if you can't look west then you can shift your gaze to the east.
I actually stopped reading after that... haha
Go chase a rainbow lucky charms.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbiYAKgsOEs
www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7C6FaozoiU&feature=related
or this one
www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaO4XeHhwo8&feature=related
it all looks like some people understand being British means something different than being British lol and you talk about the British unity hahaha the good people of Scotland, Wales and North Ireland call themselves Scottish, Welsh, Irish, only cowards call themselves British.
I bet some of the kelpers will not be happy with your comment.
If you call Malvinas a third world country, what would you call Wales?
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1182373/Welcome-binge-Britain-Polish-photographer-documents-years-drunken-revelry-Cardiff.html
www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2010/results
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index
Now I wonder if it would be in the Falkland Islander's best interests to become a part of Argentina? After all, the UN insists that whatever happens must be in the islander's best interests.
Perhaps you should lobby your government to do something that will make us talk. Rather than continue to not live up to your low standards.
Really? ”in all possible international forums”? Hmmmm....ICJ...? Nah, Argentina wouldn't have the bottle to go to the ICJ. All this spiteful hot air from the Argentinean government is seen to be what it is....a feeble attempt to bully the peaceful people of the Falklands.
How many Oil exploration vessels in the Falklands rely upon Argentina....errr none!
Can't see how the Islanders are going to be quivering in horror at this one, all it does is just reaffirms what everyone is thinking....Argentina is a country co0mpleting undeserving of gaining sovereignty over Britain's south Atlantic territories.
If ever there was any more reason why Argentina should not get sovereignty over the Falklands, this bill furthers that reason.
OK... whatever...
what noose? or did I miss something?
meanwhile this is what happens to little dropkick bullies when they push their luck....
www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-QF7BOCqUE
Apologies to all for linking to youtube but sometimes you just have to do things....
This Solanis ratbag sounds like a real hero. Makes me laugh reading his reference to“our islands”!
They certainly are not yours & never will be.
@23Martin, as l said before,comrade,the Guardian is a left wing, red-ragger paper. Not that many people read it anyway, but, well feel free to read lies if thats what you like. With your history books, you are used to reading lies.
@2,3&5. Yes Think, please enlighten us mortals about Argentina's claim on South Georgia.
Don't remain silent, here is your moment of glory, please tell all, omiting no detail no matter how trivial.
I should think it is as Argentina effectively acknowledged British sovereignty up until 1925 when they appear to have had a conversation with Chile. As a result Argentina claimed SGSSI and most of British Antartica. The only problem was that Chile and Argentina are not very good communicators because Chile submitted much the same claim. Didn't get their stories straight first.
Argentina has never given a reason. There was some muttering about them being the closest but the geographical congruity argument was thrown out by the Permanent Court of Arbitration in 1928 in the Island of Palmas case. An Argy minister suggested in 1941 that they'd 'inherited' the islands from Spain ... but they've gone rather quiet on that one now.
So, no reasons given - just a claim.
And they wonder why so much of the world considers them a joke country.
Why? Because some brave Argentinian Neo Facist wants to apply sanctions in an attempt to damage British economic interests.
Wow, scary, but could backfire my old fruits.
Somebody over there needs to check ALL the supplier and supply list for your operation about to start using red Ensign flagged operators!! What are you going to do - ban your own exploration plans for 20 yeasr!!!!
You are indeed well on the way to becoming the laughing stock of S. America
OK there are deep bits in between .. that was what the 800 kg of bumff was explaining away...
If they could pull that stunt orf then they can come out the far side of antarctica and go via Balleny and Macquarie to claim NZ, Australia , New Guinea.... this is bigger than any of us realised... FI is just, as they say, a stepping stone on the road to world domination
“ .. The British Applications were communicated to the Argentine and Chilean Governments on May 6th, 1955. From the replies since received from these Governments it is clear that they are not prepared to accept the Court's jurisdiction in these cases .... The Hague, March 17th 1956 ..”
other than a statement refering to some “... fundamental principle in accordance with which territorial sovereignty cannot be submitted for discussion or be put in issue ... ”. And apparently 'too self evident to require judicial determination'. Nonsensical statements that no-one appears to have understood. Certainly not the court.
At that time an Argentine Judge was sitting at the ICJ !
I posted on this yesterday on another thread. The announcements are counter to International Law and the Law of the Sea (III).
Time for a UN No Fly Zone over Argentina? . . . . not out of the question, and it would certainly focus less insane minds in Argentina.
Personally, I think if there is no solution to Argentina's illegalities within the law, then extirpation of senior politicians of the Argentinian Senate, and perhaps a renegade president, can only do good for world stability.
Old-style bullying sometimes needs addressing with old-style solutions.
South America is however on part of the Falkland Islands Continental Shelf.
They impose that themselves because they cant afford enough fuel and the pilots have lost their licences because they cannot afford the fuel to fly them. A bonkers nation.
that is this, no matter what cutbacks have been done [and we all object to this] British military will, and still IS and always will be, more superior and more powerful that argentines, the action we are about to undertake, will show Argentina, and all her military toys that great Britain is still a powerfull nation not to mess with, and I can assure you all, that we will hear nothing out of Argentina, just -------------------
Argentina will think twice before she even thinks of climbing out of her pram, and her bloggers, well , they will talk us to death ,
OK, so he's ultra-left, but anyone of a certain age will know that 'Pino' is a Muppet - the Big Bird character in Sesame Street.
This makes him a joke even within his own country.
Can a muppet stand for president?
This applies equally to South Georgia, the South Sandwich Islands, and all the other specks of land offshore of the Argentinian continental territory, and also claimed by Argentia.
*** Transfer of 'Ownership' to Argentina would extend Argentina's EEZ over 1000 miles offshore, covering hundreds of thousands of square miles. ***
Hence also the importance of who owns TdF.
Argentina has NO intrinsic interest in these distant Islands, per se; only as bases for present and future offshore exploitations.
Owning RIGHTS under international law is the name of the game - and, in this case, the law is explicit within the Law of the Sea Conventions, especially UNCLOS III.
Argentina simply wants to own more rights in the Southern ocean and the Atlantic than it is allowed under the law.
That other South American countries back the Argentinian claim - and their bullying economic measures - reflects VERY poorly on those countries and brings THEIR reputation into disrepute.
No South American nation can expect any position on the world stage if it flies in the face of laws the world runs by.
May 08th, 2010 - 07:10 pm
“ It would make a lot of sence for Argentina to collaborate and will provide a much needed boost for the Argentine economy.
Either way there are other South American countries who to work with the Islands due to the vast dollar value this project has. This will be for BP or Shell to worry about and my investment will be bought out by one of these boys”
Beef you were wrong in all three.
Always a pleasure to answer your posts…………………….
Yoy say:
”You're implying that this is a cog in the machine that is speeding up Britain's exit from the South Atlantic. I would say that the opposite is true. Things like this, I imagine it would make the islanders more resolute and perpetuate the anti-Argentine feeling.
I guess to call this measure another nail in the coffin, you must be pretty sure that these attempts to damage the Falkland Islands' economy will be a resounding success in gaining sovereignty of them, but I can't see the Falklands being economically bullied into submission.”
I say:
I’m implying that this is a cog in the machine that will slow up Britain's insertion in the South-Atlantic. Things like this will make no difference in the Islanders anti-Argentine feeling. ....Those feelings have been on “Maximum” since the 70’s.
By calling this measure “another nail in the coffin”, I’m saying that it will damage the Falkland Island’s economy and hinder the development of their society.
We are not intending to “bully the Malvinas into submission”; we are just driving them into stagnation…..
That’s good enough for the time being………………..
That’s good enough for the time being………………..”
And wonder why there is anti-Argentine feeling bully boy.
You lot justtotally delude yourselves at times - 1982 was 20yrs ago and most of us have moved on a bit this side and into the 21st Century. The current hatred and dislike of Argentina and all the corrupt crap she stands for have one origen - Kirscheners and thier bullyboy tactics since 2003.
Please show me one tangeable affect where this current “law” has had a negative economic affect here? I think you have by the usual blackmail persuaded one tug company to pull out because of threats to its sister containerline operations in Argentina - no affect here - 2 nice big tugs from another company have arrived to take over!!
You fail to realise there are several strings to our economy - and Oil is NOT one of them as it is not yet commercially proven. If it becomes so then there is nothing Arg can do that would stop it being developed. Companies would have to avoid you yes, but plenty of alternatives to that.
What a pile of crap. There is no difference between the two. You're either deluding yourself or trying to deceive your so- called supporters.
Why not tell it like it is? You're trying to inflict enough economic and social hardship on innocent people to make becoming second class citizens of Argentina seem like a good prospect.
You're blockading us, and if that isn't bullying I don't know what is.
If you took your country's policies to the extent that you would like, people would start dying as a result.
If that's what you want, just say so.
In fact, I sometimes have more respect for loonies like Martin. At least he makes no secret of the fact he want s us all dead.
regarding 1833, would you be kind enough to look at :www.flickr.com/groups/malvinas/discuss/72157626157758043/
There is a book by the well-known Argentine historian Ernesto J. Fitte, La Agresión NorteAmericana a las Islas Malvinas, Emecé Editores, Buenos Aires, 1966.
Contained within the scan are two pages from this book.
I think you should read it...
Kindest regards from the Falkland Islands
Your response is the very reason the UNSC exists, to prevent nutters like yourself from harming anyone but yourselves.
Shocker ;-)
Frank, you're still a 'chicano'.
Redhoyt -
*I* allocate the Turnip Awards . . . . . . and I'm perfectly happy to award to Argentinans, F.I.s or Brits. if the invective or stupidity gets beyond the pale.
Geoff.
www.unirargentina.com.ar/ and the article “NECRÓFILOS, PERO NO TRADICIONALES”
Two questions -
1. Is this site for real ?
2. Does 'NECRÓFILOS' have a different meaning in spanish because according to my translation software it becomes - “ ... Necrophilia, also called thanatophilia, and necrolagnia, is the sexual attraction to corpses ...” ?
Maybe this translation software is not up to the job, but as Geoff said elsewhere ... funny old world !
And you're stupid.
However, for all my stupidity I notice that you have answered neither of my questions. But thanks for the information about it being a metaphor ... possibly!
Your language is actually very easy to learn, nothing special about it, sorry to burst your bubble.
Ron - Argentina does not have a goo reputation as a place that companies can do business in. This is why, for example, your oil industry is so run down.
the danger for many companies would actually be in refusing to do business with the islanders in case that affected their ability to work with the UK.
What goes around, comes around.
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Several, in fact most posters here await your revelations with bated breath.
You say:
”Please stop evading the issue and answer the question: Explain fully, in intimate detail, the reasons for Argentina's claims on South Georgia & South Sandwich islands”.
I say:
Finally somebody uses the magic word: “Please”…………….:-)
My answer:
Argentina claims South Georgia & South Sandwich islands for the very same reasons as Great Britain does: * ** WE WANT THEM ***
Only natural Saphira, only natural……………
Great revelations usually leave people with a feeling of spiritual vacuum and a short period of melancholy or transcendence…….
The French call it ”La petite mort”
““explain fully, in intimate detail, the reasons for Argentina's claims on South Georgia & South Sandwich lslands””
There is none. It was invented during WW2, when the military dictatorship in Argentina thought Britain was weak and whilst engaged in fighting Hitler's Germany alone couldn't stop them.
“Argentina claims South Georgia & South Sandwich islands for the very same reasons as Great Britain does: * ** WE WANT THEM ***”
No, sunshine, the British don't want them... the British own them ...live with it
Think... once again shown to be a shadow man.. all mouth.. no trousers... typical diego
I'll show the documents to you........ just as soon as I have fabricated... er ... found them...
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Really?, because you want them? But the British OWN them.
l want a new Mercedes-Benz, but no-one is going to give me one.
And no-one is going to “give”you SG & the SSI.
You will have to do better than that, Cher Think
Charles Townshend, 2nd Viscount Townshend (1674 – 1738) was a British statesman. For a decade he was Secretary of State, directing British foreign policy. He later became known as Turnip Townshend because of his strong interest in farming, and his role in the British agricultural revolution.
If Argentinian schools taught about soil fertility and (four-)crop rotation, Argentinian agricultural and livestock output could increase closer to first world levels.
So . . . . . as my ancestor is the REAL owner of the Turnip Trademark (1730) – preceding 1833 - I, and I alone, allocate Turnip Awards for Extreme Invective and Absurd Stupidities.
As with East Timor and South Sudan let the people decide. The history doesn't matter now... how many years and generations. Imagine families being taken from there homes, children taken away from there friends and sent far away... they know only these Islands. The world doesn't need another Palestine.
Neither Argentina or UK need these Islands but people have a right to their homes.
Swed abroad
Yak
“ Let the people decide ” ... like it ! That would be the 3000 of course, not the 40 million :-))
You “one way minded” lass...............................
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Sorry, a different thread. Is anyone actually here, from the Falklands? I have question. Does anyone know if www.falklands.info is a legitimate site that represents the Falklands? I am trying to contact the owners with no success.
Unquote..
Yes, there are islanders on here - this one's family has been here for 147 years - and we are relative newcomers!
Yes , I believe it IS a genuine site and there are lots more if you Google Falkland islands! Not the other M word - that will likely turn up a load of total crap.
Is it not 30 year since the conflict,
will they be celebrating freedom by choice.
perhaps shown on Argentinean TV, to show how things have progressed.
A few rockets/fire works, A visit from a top British diplomat, David Cameron perhaps, just an idea .
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbmPTsyB2H8
Janis thoughts about relating happiness to a Merc.......
El Think
'but no-one is going to give me one'
Ahem!
I would suggest that depends on what you look like and the cost of travel to where you might be my dear.
I hasten to add that I am happily married and regret my forced abstention is regretted but permanent.
Sore losers,
At least Wireless (#97) shows himself to be a real gentleman!
seekingalpha.com/article/259115-divergences-in-gold-may-be-signaling-reversal?source=aal_3_sc540
Be carefull out there........
This would be a “very dangerous move” on the part of the Argentine government, said Roett, director of Latin American studies at Johns Hopkins University in Washington. Argentina, which went to war with the U.K. in 1982 over Falklands’ sovereignty, is “very careful” about challenging the British in reaching the islands, Roett noted
oilprice.com/Geo-Politics/South-America/Argentina-Running-Out-Of-Options-In-Falklands-Oil-Fight.html
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bill that would impose a 30-day deadline on firms to sever ties with the islands or be run out of Argentina.”.... yep... that worked...
i try to pass on what i find good or ad
thanks.
Chairman, United Nations Special Committee on Decolonisation on 7 december 2010 to spend quality time in the Islands discussing decolonisation and self-determination issues relating to the Islands' own status:
www.falklands.gov.fk//documents/UN%20C24%20Chairman%20invited%20to%20Falkland%20Islands.pdf
The document has been circulated throughout the UN General Assembly so the whole world is aware of the request.
(i) Does anybody know if H.E. Mr Donatus Keith St. Aimee
Chairman, United Nations Special Committee on Decolonisation, has replied to the F.I. Government?
(ii) Does anyone know, if there was a reply, what it said?
en.mercopress.com/2011/03/12/new-decolonization-committee-president-invited-to-visit-argentina
I don't expect the new chairman to accept an invitation if one were issued
Public exposure of overt political bias in a United Nation Committee chairman is a great weapon - it can be used to embarass, humiliate and ultimately destroy credibility.
Chairpersons who have lost credibility are quietly asked to leave.
@100 Think, thank you for the warning per gold. l believe it will go even higher. And l still, one day will get my Mercedes-Benz. But l'll pay for it myself, but thank you all who offered!
It's not very difficult to put myself in your place, a small group of people, on an island with notoriously atrocious weather, right next to a continent that for the most part supports its return to its rightful owner. Playing the role of the cute little English colony, pretending England isn't 8,000 miles away, completely self-deluded into thinking that you are actually on English soil.
Do you really think that your attitude is fooling anyone? Do you think we don't know how precarious your circumstances really are?
On one hand we have the... “we're not worried, you've got nothing Argies, we've got four Typhoons and a bloody submarine!”
And on the other... “Does anybody know if H.E. Mr Donatus Keith St. Aimee has replied to the F.I. Government? Does anyone know, if there was a reply, what it said? Time to issue the invitation AGAIN!”
Well, why don't you tell Mr Donatus Keith St. Aimee that there is no rush? That you're quite happy with the status quo and that you are in total control.
If Mr Donatus Keith St. Aimee should have a chat with anyone speaking on your behalf it should be with your government, the UK. A very serious chat.
But don't worry, you are in total control. ;-)
Well summed up .... you must be starting to see sense. You haven't got any but at least it's in sight :-)
the reason for the new invitation is because Aimee was replaced. The UN seems to think an Ecuadorian and a Cuban can do the job better - so let's help them.
Geoff.
There was no reply to the invitation.
Justin
this is your anser to all that disagree with you.
shame on you. you like the british, you love the british, you lke to insult others, but cant take others insulting you.
shame//shame//shame//shame//shame//how does it feel to be insulted,
116 Don't think you actually insulted him.
You merely complimented him of having good taste in liking all thing British. And you are quite right of course.
he insults on other bloggs but does not like it when it is done to him.
I wont insult with childish words so a few hints on him liking the British infuriates him [some times]
but as the British had a submarine their without no one knowing, it just proves you cannot trust the British [in the good sense] as you never know when or where they will turn up. their may well be at this very moment a submarine in the south Atlantic, just waiting, you never know,
proud to be British , cant say the same of Argentina mm
''What a picture of desperation.
It's not very difficult to put myself in your place, a small group of people, on an island with notoriously atrocious weather, right next to a continent that for the most part supports its return to its rightful owner. Playing the role of the cute little English colony, pretending England isn't 8,000 miles away, completely self-deluded into thinking that you are actually on English soil''
I can't believe you've been on here all this time and don't even know the difference between England and Britain!
Apart from that, the rest of your post is very very funny. I can't recognise anything in it and that's what makes it surreal and entertaining.
Desperate...err,no.
Terrible weather? Has been known, but looking out on yet another cloudless sky after four months of sunshine.
A continent that suppports you? No, they despise you- I've been to Chile enough times to know that.They just pretend to so that you might shut up for a bit.
Pretending England isn't 8000 mile away??? How would you do that then? I go to England every couple of years and I know exactly how far away it is, and so does everyone else.
Colony? No, British Overseas Territory.
I guess you're just trying to be annoying. Can't even do that can you?
Never mind.
I know he was replaced. I wonder why Mr Donatus Keith St. Aimee, while in South America didn't bother to go see you. - If the previous representative wasn't stupid enough to swallow your lies, what makes you think the current one will?
119 Monty69,
Chile, yeah... you would bring up Chile, wouldn't you? What else have you got?
There is no difference between “England” and “Britain”, “Pirate” and “Thief”, all the same to us.
“There was no reply to the invitation.” awww.. ;-)
The Uruguayans don't think much of you either :-(
England beat spain
Britain beat Argentina
no difference their then ..
And how exactly did you come to that conclusion? The Pulp mill dispute? Is that it?
There are 120,000 Uruguayans living in Argentina, that's a big number for a country of only 3.5 million people. And from wherever the hell you're from you want to tell me how Uruguayans feel about us? I have friends from Uruguay, relations with them are as good as they get.
”Uruguay in 2009 maintained its policy of refusing landing rights for British military planes on their flights to the Falklands Islands (Spanish: Islas Malvinas) and in 2010 refuses entry to the Port of Montevideo of HMS Gloucester (D96)” en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina–Uruguay_relations
How do you like them apples? Brit
Did you know that Mercopress is run by some nice chaps from Monte?
The argument was that Uruguayans “don't think much of us”, postulating that Uruguay has no choice but to comply with Argentina doesn't explain why 120,000 Uruguayans live in Argentina. Doesn't explain why the FAU imports Argentine-built aircraft when they can easily import from Brazil or anywhere else.
You're better off sticking to Chile Brit, that's your only port of harbor, for now.
A brand new town advanced modern technology , yes the Falklands will have to change, but boy wont it be worth it, the envy of south America we be thinking .
the chief is obviusly british and his wife may be uruguayan (surely not argentinian)
Boludos
“two chaps from Monte at a party in Stanley”
What the HELL would two Uruguayans be doing at a party in Puerto Argentino? (or “Stanley” as you called it)
“the chief is obviusly british and his wife may be uruguayan”
That explains a lot about Mercopress actually, and does nothing to support the theory that Argentine-Uruguayan relations are bad.
It validates my theory that Mercopress sole function is to expose “the Falklands” to the world in a seemingly “objective” manner, nothing objective about it if the chief is British. I'll go a step further, the chief is not just British, the chief was BORN in Malvinas. ;-)
Thank you, Monty.
Doh, what do you think? Drinking beer and chatting up the Falkland Islands totty.
Oh and visiting one of the countries on their patch and,hmm, reporting.
You haven't a clue what you're talking about.
As for 'objective', I imagine they've visited Argentina too.
Don't bother deleting these comments Mercopress, I already took a screen-shot. ;-)
Monty must be having a beer right now, a few. lol
You seem to think that there would be something unusual or even shameful in someone from a news agency that purports to cover the South Atlantic in visiting the Falkland Islands and talking to Falkland Islanders?
Wouldn't you expect them to? Wouldn't you expect them to have contacts in all the countries in the region?
What are you planning to do with your screen- shot? Is it going to make headline news where you come from?
I'll give you as many facts as you like. I'm not interested in lies and propaganda.
Ask Think, I seem to recall that he contacted Mercopress some while back.
I recall him saying that they were indeed based in Uruguay and there was no mention of any 'British' person in charge. If there had of been I'm sure Think would have made merry with it.
Not that it matters much. Good to have one press source supporting the islanders. After all there's a lot of misinformation in the Argentine press .. if only because they want to sell newspapers.
It's a dog eat dog world in journalism I'm told ;-)
Nope, you're not understanding me at all, you're trying to change the subject.
Think was definitely not speaking to the chief. ;-)
The ever increasingly discourteous poster from Thailand says:
“Ask Think, I seem to recall that he contacted MercoPress some while back.
I recall him saying that they were indeed based in Uruguay and there was no mention of any 'British' person in charge. If there had of been I'm sure Think would have made merry with it.”
I say:
Juppp……..
I spoke to the owner of Mercopress…
A well spoken, polite and educated chap…
From a well established Uruguayan family …
With deep and indelible roots in the most beautiful Pictland…
IMHO, .............MercoPress is a fine but appalling one-sided source of information………
Anybody commenting, on any topic, only based on information from this provenience is just showing an incredible lack of critical sense……..
To put it mildly :-)
I tend to read the Guardian (I'm sure I'll cop a lot of flack for that here!), but I try to take it with a pinch of salt and read about news that interests me from as many sources as possible.
I'm headed towards the common denominator Think, but at least I'm not a stalker!
As for 'one-sided' .... I've typed 'Malvinas Noticia' into Google and looked the responses. We need a little 'one-sided' to counter all your 'one-sided'. At least Mercopress provides a forum which allows us to bring a little truth into your brainwashed lives.
Turnip!
Yes, there is an anglophile slant on FI stories and a relish for Argentinan failures, but this balances out through reading other agency takes on each story.
I find the partisanship refreshingly open and honest, and the teasing acceptible.
It is MUCH more exciting as a forum than any of the BBC online sites, where moderation, censorship and 'house-bias' serve to create a composite view of world affairs that is sanitised and anodyne.
Be thankful you have a 'free' site where red meat can still be chewed and spat out.
the most intelligent country in the world
Just a tease
“ 114 GeoffWard, I know he was replaced. I wonder why Mr Donatus Keith St. Aimee, while in South America didn't bother to go see you. - If the previous representative wasn't stupid enough to swallow your lies, what makes you think the current one will?”
Martin, you know I live in Brasil - why on earth would either of these guys come to see me?
Much better for them to go to the Falkland Islands. I'm sure the Governor can help them with an interpretor.
And what's all this about lies?
Come on Martin, don't get so up-tight - it's only a blog-site!
None of you answered the question. No shocks there.
Greetings from RGland
Was there a question? Must have missed it.
Go on , ask us again and I'll give it a go.
www.malvinense.com.ar/diasp.html
“Was there a question?”
121 Monty69
“The Uruguayans don't think much of you either”
123 Martin_Fierro
“And how exactly did you come to that conclusion?”
Fido, this is a special branch of essentially British humour called self-parody.
Recommend you chase up
Harry Enfield (especially Kevin) and
the whole of the Blackadder series.
They will give you much enjoyment and a pleasant insight into the British psyche.
the name of the creator and director and its nationality is said in the page. nothing hide.
www.malvinense.com.ar/diasp.html
A finer piece of literary disingenuity would be hard to find.
is he saying all his countries teeth are gleeming white.
I'm just left wondering how any tenuous evidence of 'bad teeth' would help promote the Argentine case at the International Court of Justice.
Perhaps our esteemed South American contributors can explain.
As opposed to your highly reputable sources... Pascoe & Pepper, haha, the two clowns that suggested that, Juan Manuel de Rosas 'implicitly' stated that Argentina had withdrawn its claim on Malvinas, even though no documents exist that mention anything of the kind. ALL fabricated in an effort to bring “truth” to the issue.
CLOWNS.
As I've pointed out elsewhere, P&P have a good point as section 7 of the 1850 Convention clearly states - “ ... VII. Under this Convention perfect friendship between Her Britannic Majesty's Government and the Government of the Confederation, is restored to its former state of good understanding and cordiality....”
Perfect friendship - a phrase suggesting no outstanding issues standing in the way of that perfect friendship. A peace Treaty negotiated without any mention of the Falkland Islands .... sounds like acceptance to me.
At least P&P state their sources and explain their arguments, unlike so many Argentine 'historians'.
You hot a red-nose Martian ?
And you know what? I couldn't find a single reference to this so called “acquiescence” on behalf of Argentina being used in an official ruling or arbitration of any kind. If it's so relevant and official, why doesn't the UK throw it in our face every time Argentina brings up the issue?
The evidence for this is the removal of the annual message to congress in Argentina in 1850, and absolute silence on behalf of the Argentine Government in any sphere until the 1880s, and nothing of any note what so ever until Peronism hijacked the idea as a means to unite the people, and even Juan Peron admitted as such to the British.
Marvin, you're talking a load of propaganda nonsense, take the matter to the ICJ if you're so sure that the Big Lie is true, but otherwise stop whining about it like a child, its just boring.
Now you'll write some more crap and 20 posts later you'll ask “What was the question again?”
Imbeciles.
I could drone on about establishing a no fly zone over Northern Ireland or Occupied Patagonia but at the end of the day its all supercilious, hypothetical nonsense.
No argument from me, I don't believe anyone is asking them to be anything else other than British. But when it comes to Malvinas their association to the 'British crown' comes at a very high price, a never ending dispute.
We can argue back and forth all you want, but I know this 'status quo' you're so fond of does not equal peace. And I'm not talking about who's 'right' or 'wrong' so don't give me the “We have no doubt about or sovereignty” speech, I'm just talking.
And all this garbage Mercopress likes to post just to watch us argue like idiots... so that they can laugh and profit at our expense. No risk, nothing to do with them 'presumably'. Either way it's ridiculous, none of us can change anything.
If Argentina and the UK were to come to some kind of resolution Mercopress would go out of business and rightly so.
and the oil theme those explotions that are made for finding it in the sea can produce confusion and be extremely nocive for whales ears that can produce their massive death. engineers working in oil (of my family) have said me that and i expect many people would be talking on these theme nowadays specially in argentina. its important to know what is happening to the whales 400 is too much and southamericans must be interest on this they are affecting our sea.
Complete text of the Convention of Settlement.
Funnily enough, Martin, I do have better things to do than lurk on here hanging off your every word.
OK, I have met a fair few Uruguayans and they all had nothing much good to say about Argentina. However, they all had business and personal links with the Falklands,so I'm aware that this might not be a representative sample.
So if it makes you feel better, I'll admit that there are probably many thousands of Uruguayens out there who absolutely love you and don't mind a bit when you tell them who they can and can't do business with.
“Was there a question? Must have missed it. Go on , ask us again and I'll give it a go.”
121 Monty69
“The Uruguayans don't think much of you either”
123 & 153 Martin_Fierro
“And how exactly did you come to that conclusion?”
171 Monty69
“ I do have better things to do than lurk on here hanging off your every word”
Oh, I see ;-)
A few Uruguayans had “nothing much good to say about Argentina”
Hm... that's terrible!
“you tell them who they can and can't do business with”
“they all had business and personal links with the Falklands”
We “tell them” who they can and can't do business with, but all the Uruguayans you met had business and personal links with Malvinas.
Honestly, I'm a little confused.
Uruguay supports Argentina, end of story. Deal with it.
Is it from the sidelines or do you think they want to play?
What a boring Saturday night, I'm off down the pub if its still there.
Good Evening.
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