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Argentina further tightens the noose on the Falkland Islands

Thursday, March 17th 2011 - 21:05 UTC
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The Argentine senate unanimously approved Wednesday a bill that bars companies and persons from participating in hydrocarbons exploration and exploitation activities in the Argentine continental platform (which includes the Falkland Islands), and proscribes fines for infractions and barring periods of time from 5 to 20 years for companies that violate the law. Read full article

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  • briton

    If this is true, then the time is coming when the UK Mr Cameron [freedom of the people]
    will have to put his money where his big mouth is, and the Falkland island representatives, should now DEMAND Mr Cameron gets of his back side and does something to stop Argentina from doing or enforcing this cowardly act, Mr Cameron is on a high at this moment in time, so now may be the time for the island representatives to call for help, and use the UK newspapers, you may not yet get a better chance,
    as they say, strike while the iron is hot, and force the argentines into a humiliating climb down , and get the UK to back up it promise,
    then again perhaps its not true, and you have nothing to worry about, just a thought to help .

    Mar 17th, 2011 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Yet another little nail in the British economic South Atlantic coffin......

    Mar 17th, 2011 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • saphira

    So think what is the argentine claim to South Geogia etc based on then?

    Mar 17th, 2011 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    The sooner you cowards back this up the better for freedom and the falklands .

    Mar 17th, 2011 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    Yes Think, what is the RG claim to South Georgia based on? And try to do it in less than 800kg of verbiage.....

    Mar 17th, 2011 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    So Argentina demand London and the Falklands abides by UN resolutions calling for sovereignty talks.
    Argentina has managed after begging and crying for ] support and explicit declarations from all regional forums: Mercosur,[mercy] Unasur,[ unsure] Rio Group, Latin America’s summits, BUT NOT the UK or the Falklands, OR THE UN, or Russia or china or France or the USA and I can go on all night.
    basically they are saying do as we demand or our bloggers will talk and amuse you to death ???

    Mar 17th, 2011 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    “The companies or persons that violate the above mentioned prohibitions will be barred for 5 to 20 years...”.... or until the next change of mind or change of government or RG economic collapse....

    I don't think big companies like being pushed around by banana republics, tin pot dictators or failed democracies....

    Mar 17th, 2011 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Yet another ineffective Argentina policy to sovereign British territory in the South Atlantic.

    FPSO = Nothing Argentina can do to stop potential future oil production.

    One is rather amused :-)

    Briton - don't spend time waiting for Argentina to back anything up. They have neither the will, the talent or the mechanisms. If you look at the policy there are a few get out clauses and Argentine approval can always be retrospective.

    Mar 17th, 2011 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Viscount Falkland

    Islas Malvinas, Georgias del Sur and Sandwich del Sur ......There is a flaw in this plan.....these places do not exist,look on any map,even an Argentine government map.You wont find them so the new law will be an ass,just like the people who wrote it.

    Mar 17th, 2011 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ptolemy

    Sorry, a different thread. Is anyone actually here, from the Falklands? I have question. Does anyone know if www.falklands.info is a legitimate site that represents the Falklands? I am trying to contact the owners with no success.

    Mar 17th, 2011 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Wireless

    This Solanas guy is obviously trying to win everyone over with his charming stare by the looks.

    He's no-one, just an indoctrinated liar, with no proof for what he says, and an unenforceable law that they may as well print on Falkland Islands toilet paper.

    Hang about, there's probably a market for that on the Islands...maybe I should patent the idea?

    Mar 17th, 2011 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...sorry did someone in Argentina make a fuss?

    ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Mar 17th, 2011 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    @10 Looks legit enough but at the same time hasn't been updated for some time ... 2006 in fact.

    Mar 17th, 2011 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Wireless

    @10 & @13
    This seems to indicate who is running the website;
    People Behind the Site
    We are Jason Lewis and Alison Inglis, a husband and wife team and we try to run this site. Jason has lived in the Falklands for over 15 years and Alsion over 7 years. We have two lively children who were born here and do take a lot of our time. So if the site doesn't appear to have been worked on for a while we're probably taking the kids to another party!

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ptolemy

    Frank
    Thanks for the reply. I found in particular, “The Lexington Raid,” a bit colorful. In fact, it looked hacked. There is no historical basis for much of what was said.

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Another tic-tac Think? Or just a copy of an old one?

    The real issue is - which companies, if any, are likely to be affected. I think BHP Billiton got out of Argentina last year although I can't confirm this. I also seem to remember that one of the banks that's dealing with Argentina's debt has some interests. A way of Argentina defaulting on what it owes the bank maybe? They do enjoy a good default.

    Anyone have any ideas?

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Hoyt, “ which companies, if any, are likely to be affected.....Anyone have any ideas?'
    Why? are you getting nervous already?

    “The companies or persons that violate the above mentioned prohibitions will be barred for 5 to 20 years, besides the criminal sanctions that might correspond”

    Get used to it :-)))

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    MoreCrap - but if there are no companies affected then this law is just like what comes out of your mouth .... cr*p!

    I am just trying to guage the effect. After all the UK has an option of passing a similar law, banning companies that want to work with the UK from working in Argentina. Now your government would scream and shout about that wouldn't it :-)

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    Marcos... we are used to it... same old same old..

    Wireless... he is trying for the prezzy's job.... only needs a few more percent....

    from wiki.. 'In October 2007, Solanas was a presidential candidate in the Argentine general election, 2007 for the Authentic Socialist Party. He became the 5th most voted candidate, with 1.58% of the vote.'

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    1.58% !! Are you sure he only needs a few more percentage points ?? :-))

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frase

    @2

    The trouble with using little nails, is that they can come loose and fall out fairly easily.

    You're implying that this is a cog in the machine that is speeding up Britain's exit from the South Atlantic. I would say that the opposite is true. Things like this, I imagine, would make the islanders more resolute and perpetuate the anti-Argentine feeling.

    I guess to call this measure another nail in the coffin, you must be pretty sure that these attempts to damage the Falkland Islands' economy will be a resounding success in gaining sovereignty of them, but I can't see the Falklands being economically bullied into submission.

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Wireless

    All it does is push Islanders into closer relationships with other countries, including the UK; after all, the whole World (including the UK), will be interested in purchasing Oil & Gas from the Falkland Islands.
    The UK will benefit from a strong and well developed Hydrocarbon Industry in the Falkland Islands, because the necessary expertise and facilities will be so much closer to SGSSI when the UK decides to develop that Hydrocarbon Industry, but this time with the revenue from Oil & Gas production within SGSSI going to the UK.
    All Argentina can do is wave bits of unenforceable toilet paper, since it fails to take any claim of Sovereignty for either the Falkland Islands or SGSSI to the ICJ.
    As Nelson frequently says, 'Ha Ha'.

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    “All it does is push Islanders into closer relationships with other countries, including the UK”

    You're already flying the union flag Kelper, how much closer to the UK can you get?

    YOU ARE THE UK, nothing more.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/feb/25/falklands-sovereignty-argentina-britain

    No other country in South America will support you, they're all loyal to Argentina. You're screwed.

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 12:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Wireless

    Marvin, you forget that being British means you can be living in a number of countries around the World under different flags, and with different relationships with the UK, which is in itself made up of separate countries.

    Just because I'm living within 11 miles of the border with Wales, another separate and distinct country within the UK, does not make me Welsh.

    Think of Jersey, within the English Channel, much nearer France than England, but the people their are British, and their Sovereignty is protected by the UK, but Jersey is not a part of the UK.

    Just because you are fixated with one system of government does not mean everyone else on the planet has to choose to live under the same system of government as you, and the good news is they don't, and by their own free choice in the matter.

    It would seem that even if a thousand years were to pass, you would never understand what it means to be British.

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 01:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Interesting British article @23
    “Is it not time for Britain to stop behaving like a 19th-century colonial power and heed the call of the United Nations to discuss the question of sovereignty with Argentina?”

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Y Draig Goch

    just how insecure is this pathetic country. I'm back in the UK but i wont forget how maddeningly childish Argentina is , i will raise the topic every opportunity i can while im back, maybe even Spain will get fed up of Argentinan's rhetoric

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Y Draig Goch (#)
    “ Only thing would stop me living here, is the right to roam, or lack thereof...i see lots of daunting signs as to not trespass without persmission”
    So the Sheep shagger got tired of the kelpers and went back home.

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 01:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @ 26 You're back in the UK and thank God you didn't lose your passport and your virginity!

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 01:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    “It would seem that even if a thousand years were to pass, you would never understand what it means to be British.”

    Who cares?

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    MoreCrap - it's the left wing Guardian and the article is more than a year old. How was the comments section by the way:-)

    Having good local relations with South America would benefit all but it is not actually necessary. If oil was found then the whole operation could be achieved with infrastructure either on the islands or offshore. There are ships now that can process the oil taking it straight from the 'tap' to the customer.

    If there's no oil well then South Amerifcan intransigence may keep the price of tomatoes up but the islanders would not find life very different.

    New accords are being opened up with the St Helena group and if you can't look west then you can shift your gaze to the east.

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 01:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    “If oil was found...”

    I actually stopped reading after that... haha

    Go chase a rainbow lucky charms.

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 01:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Y Draig Goch

    well my latin gringo's, it was sadly a short visit, but im glad i learned more about how really backwards Argentina is , i mean i knew it was 3rd world before i got to the falklands, but i didnt think it was on a level with despot latin left wing, mixed with far right wing, utter madness, if Argentina ever gains global power, id really hope we test the Trident missles on your country , seeing as that wouldnt be a senseless waste of plutonium.

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 02:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @ 24 Perhaps being British is this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbiYAKgsOEs

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbiYAKgsOEs

    or this one

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbiYAKgsOEs

    it all looks like some people understand being British means something different than being British lol and you talk about the British unity hahaha the good people of Scotland, Wales and North Ireland call themselves Scottish, Welsh, Irish, only cowards call themselves British.

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 02:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    32 Y Draig Goch “ i mean i knew it was 3rd world before i got to the falklands”
    I bet some of the kelpers will not be happy with your comment.

    If you call Malvinas a third world country, what would you call Wales?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1182373/Welcome-binge-Britain-Polish-photographer-documents-years-drunken-revelry-Cardiff.html

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 02:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    Marcos... go and do a bit more work on your english comprehension... you truly are a fool

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 02:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Y Draig Goch

    i would call it part of the UK , one of the largest economies on earth. BUT if you want to take it alone, a country a 10/th the size of Argentina, it has a booming economy and almost zero corruption, im a proud welshman , but also a proud Brit. Compare welsh/argnetina economies as of scale , i think you'll find our economy doing rather well my dear gringo :)

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 02:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

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    Mar 18th, 2011 - 02:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Uruguay and Chile - little lights on a dark continent !

    http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2010/results

    http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2010/results

    Now I wonder if it would be in the Falkland Islander's best interests to become a part of Argentina? After all, the UN insists that whatever happens must be in the islander's best interests.

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 03:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

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  • Martin_Fierro

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    Mar 18th, 2011 - 05:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    And this thread has again turned into a pile of tosh with basless offensive posts peddled by or resident Iberian colonials.

    Perhaps you should lobby your government to do something that will make us talk. Rather than continue to not live up to your low standards.

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 06:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Kiwisarg

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    Mar 18th, 2011 - 07:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Christopher UK

    ”Argentina’s policy under the Kirchner presidencies (beginning 2003) has been to consistently protest and present its sovereignty claims over the Falklands, --and who is authorized to develop the Islands’ resources--, in all possible international forums.“

    Really? ”in all possible international forums”? Hmmmm....ICJ...? Nah, Argentina wouldn't have the bottle to go to the ICJ. All this spiteful hot air from the Argentinean government is seen to be what it is....a feeble attempt to bully the peaceful people of the Falklands.

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rhaurie-Craughwell

    Oh look another symbolic decree, all fart and no wind, I lose count of the number of times either Federal or Provincial authorities have decrees apparently “tightening the noose” over the Falklands :)

    How many Oil exploration vessels in the Falklands rely upon Argentina....errr none!

    Can't see how the Islanders are going to be quivering in horror at this one, all it does is just reaffirms what everyone is thinking....Argentina is a country co0mpleting undeserving of gaining sovereignty over Britain's south Atlantic territories.

    If ever there was any more reason why Argentina should not get sovereignty over the Falklands, this bill furthers that reason.

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 08:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    'further tightens the noose'

    OK... whatever...

    what noose? or did I miss something?

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Viscount Falkland

    Fernando Pedo Solanas, AKA, Major Bonkers

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    @46.... sounds about right... what was it again 1.7% of the vote....

    meanwhile this is what happens to little dropkick bullies when they push their luck....
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-QF7BOCqUE
    Apologies to all for linking to youtube but sometimes you just have to do things....

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Nearly wasn't going to post, but, whatever. More meaningless drivel from deluded Argentines. Pass as many as your silly toothless laws as you like, amigos, you still WILL NOT get OUR lslands.
    This Solanis ratbag sounds like a real hero. Makes me laugh reading his reference to“our islands”!
    They certainly are not yours & never will be.
    @23Martin, as l said before,comrade,the Guardian is a left wing, red-ragger paper. Not that many people read it anyway, but, well feel free to read lies if thats what you like. With your history books, you are used to reading lies.
    @2,3&5. Yes Think, please enlighten us mortals about Argentina's claim on South Georgia.
    Don't remain silent, here is your moment of glory, please tell all, omiting no detail no matter how trivial.

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Think once told me that the South Georgia issue was ' difficult ' ! Just that.

    I should think it is as Argentina effectively acknowledged British sovereignty up until 1925 when they appear to have had a conversation with Chile. As a result Argentina claimed SGSSI and most of British Antartica. The only problem was that Chile and Argentina are not very good communicators because Chile submitted much the same claim. Didn't get their stories straight first.

    Argentina has never given a reason. There was some muttering about them being the closest but the geographical congruity argument was thrown out by the Permanent Court of Arbitration in 1928 in the Island of Palmas case. An Argy minister suggested in 1941 that they'd 'inherited' the islands from Spain ... but they've gone rather quiet on that one now.

    So, no reasons given - just a claim.

    And they wonder why so much of the world considers them a joke country.

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    Nervous, Tightening the noose, Screwed, Nails in coffin.
    Why? Because some brave Argentinian Neo Facist wants to apply sanctions in an attempt to damage British economic interests.

    Wow, scary, but could backfire my old fruits.

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Wow this is a threat!! Its been about for over a year actually - has it stopped anything - nope!! - result - zero - hell there is even a second drilling rig coming in a few months!! Yes Think we are all quivering in fear as all these spikes get hammered in!!
    Somebody over there needs to check ALL the supplier and supply list for your operation about to start using red Ensign flagged operators!! What are you going to do - ban your own exploration plans for 20 yeasr!!!!
    You are indeed well on the way to becoming the laughing stock of S. America

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    Argentina gave the UK a submission a while back.... all 800 kg of documents... seems the RG continental shelf extends via the FI and SG to the S. Sandwiches and on wards to the peninsula....
    OK there are deep bits in between .. that was what the 800 kg of bumff was explaining away...

    If they could pull that stunt orf then they can come out the far side of antarctica and go via Balleny and Macquarie to claim NZ, Australia , New Guinea.... this is bigger than any of us realised... FI is just, as they say, a stepping stone on the road to world domination

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Sorry Isolde, forgot to mention that when offered a chance to take the SGSSI matter to the ICJ on 4 occassions they refused. Contary to what the Argies will tell you here, they didn't do so because the Falkland islands were not included. They wouldn't recognise the jurisdiction of the court. And that was the only reason they gave -

    “ .. The British Applications were communicated to the Argentine and Chilean Governments on May 6th, 1955. From the replies since received from these Governments it is clear that they are not prepared to accept the Court's jurisdiction in these cases .... The Hague, March 17th 1956 ..”

    other than a statement refering to some “... fundamental principle in accordance with which territorial sovereignty cannot be submitted for discussion or be put in issue ... ”. And apparently 'too self evident to require judicial determination'. Nonsensical statements that no-one appears to have understood. Certainly not the court.

    At that time an Argentine Judge was sitting at the ICJ !

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    “All hydrocarbons exploration and exploitation activities in the Islas Malvinas, Georgias del Sur and Sandwich del Sur must be subject to Argentine law”.

    I posted on this yesterday on another thread. The announcements are counter to International Law and the Law of the Sea (III).

    Time for a UN No Fly Zone over Argentina? . . . . not out of the question, and it would certainly focus less insane minds in Argentina.

    Personally, I think if there is no solution to Argentina's illegalities within the law, then extirpation of senior politicians of the Argentinian Senate, and perhaps a renegade president, can only do good for world stability.

    Old-style bullying sometimes needs addressing with old-style solutions.

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    Geoff, have a look at #47...

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    52 The South Sandwich Islands are completely separate from South America and are even on a different Techtonic plate drifting North East towards South Africa.

    South America is however on part of the Falkland Islands Continental Shelf.

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Viscount Falkland

    #54...Time for a UN No Fly Zone over Argentina? . . . . not out of the question
    They impose that themselves because they cant afford enough fuel and the pilots have lost their licences because they cannot afford the fuel to fly them. A bonkers nation.

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    The events in Libya and the uk participation does in fact prove one very important point,
    that is this, no matter what cutbacks have been done [and we all object to this] British military will, and still IS and always will be, more superior and more powerful that argentines, the action we are about to undertake, will show Argentina, and all her military toys that great Britain is still a powerfull nation not to mess with, and I can assure you all, that we will hear nothing out of Argentina, just -------------------
    Argentina will think twice before she even thinks of climbing out of her pram, and her bloggers, well , they will talk us to death ,

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • riomarcos

    There's a great English saying to describe this new development: cutting off your nose to spite your face. Or perhaps: shooting oneself in the foot. When opportunity knocks, Cristina runs away screaming hysterically...

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    “The bill . . . was promoted by opposition Deputy Fernando ‘Pino’ Solanas who is also a presidential pre-candidate . . .”.

    OK, so he's ultra-left, but anyone of a certain age will know that 'Pino' is a Muppet - the Big Bird character in Sesame Street.

    This makes him a joke even within his own country.
    Can a muppet stand for president?

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Well if Cristina can stand then anybody can stand Argentina is used to this pantomime

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    The Argentinans only want the ownership of these Islands because it extends their Exclusive Economic Zone of sole exploitative rights and leases over many thousands of more square miles, because it would extend 'their' Zone two hundres miles beyond the Falkland Islands out into the Atlantic ie. 500+ miles from their shore.

    This applies equally to South Georgia, the South Sandwich Islands, and all the other specks of land offshore of the Argentinian continental territory, and also claimed by Argentia.

    *** Transfer of 'Ownership' to Argentina would extend Argentina's EEZ over 1000 miles offshore, covering hundreds of thousands of square miles. ***

    Hence also the importance of who owns TdF.

    Argentina has NO intrinsic interest in these distant Islands, per se; only as bases for present and future offshore exploitations.

    Owning RIGHTS under international law is the name of the game - and, in this case, the law is explicit within the Law of the Sea Conventions, especially UNCLOS III.

    Argentina simply wants to own more rights in the Southern ocean and the Atlantic than it is allowed under the law.

    That other South American countries back the Argentinian claim - and their bullying economic measures - reflects VERY poorly on those countries and brings THEIR reputation into disrepute.

    No South American nation can expect any position on the world stage if it flies in the face of laws the world runs by.

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    2 Beef (#)
    May 08th, 2010 - 07:10 pm
    “ It would make a lot of sence for Argentina to collaborate and will provide a much needed boost for the Argentine economy.
    Either way there are other South American countries who to work with the Islands due to the vast dollar value this project has. This will be for BP or Shell to worry about and my investment will be bought out by one of these boys”

    Beef you were wrong in all three.

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (21) Frase
    Always a pleasure to answer your posts…………………….

    Yoy say:
    ”You're implying that this is a cog in the machine that is speeding up Britain's exit from the South Atlantic. I would say that the opposite is true. Things like this, I imagine it would make the islanders more resolute and perpetuate the anti-Argentine feeling.
    I guess to call this measure another nail in the coffin, you must be pretty sure that these attempts to damage the Falkland Islands' economy will be a resounding success in gaining sovereignty of them, but I can't see the Falklands being economically bullied into submission.”

    I say:
    I’m implying that this is a cog in the machine that will slow up Britain's insertion in the South-Atlantic. Things like this will make no difference in the Islanders anti-Argentine feeling. ....Those feelings have been on “Maximum” since the 70’s.
    By calling this measure “another nail in the coffin”, I’m saying that it will damage the Falkland Island’s economy and hinder the development of their society.
    We are not intending to “bully the Malvinas into submission”; we are just driving them into stagnation…..

    That’s good enough for the time being………………..

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    “We are not intending to “bully the Malvinas into submission”; we are just driving them into stagnation…..

    That’s good enough for the time being………………..”

    And wonder why there is anti-Argentine feeling bully boy.

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Think, Sorry- relations in the 1970s were not that bad really - and after 1982 faded somewhat,relations in the late 1990s were actually pretty good.
    You lot justtotally delude yourselves at times - 1982 was 20yrs ago and most of us have moved on a bit this side and into the 21st Century. The current hatred and dislike of Argentina and all the corrupt crap she stands for have one origen - Kirscheners and thier bullyboy tactics since 2003.
    Please show me one tangeable affect where this current “law” has had a negative economic affect here? I think you have by the usual blackmail persuaded one tug company to pull out because of threats to its sister containerline operations in Argentina - no affect here - 2 nice big tugs from another company have arrived to take over!!
    You fail to realise there are several strings to our economy - and Oil is NOT one of them as it is not yet commercially proven. If it becomes so then there is nothing Arg can do that would stop it being developed. Companies would have to avoid you yes, but plenty of alternatives to that.

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    ''We are not intending to “bully the Malvinas into submission”; we are just driving them into stagnation…..''

    What a pile of crap. There is no difference between the two. You're either deluding yourself or trying to deceive your so- called supporters.
    Why not tell it like it is? You're trying to inflict enough economic and social hardship on innocent people to make becoming second class citizens of Argentina seem like a good prospect.
    You're blockading us, and if that isn't bullying I don't know what is.
    If you took your country's policies to the extent that you would like, people would start dying as a result.
    If that's what you want, just say so.
    In fact, I sometimes have more respect for loonies like Martin. At least he makes no secret of the fact he want s us all dead.

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Dean street

    Raul,

    regarding 1833, would you be kind enough to look at :http://www.flickr.com/groups/malvinas/discuss/72157626157758043/

    There is a book by the well-known Argentine historian Ernesto J. Fitte, La Agresión NorteAmericana a las Islas Malvinas, Emecé Editores, Buenos Aires, 1966.

    Contained within the scan are two pages from this book.

    I think you should read it...

    Kindest regards from the Falkland Islands

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Wireless

    Think, you've just admitted that you're a slimy bunch of backstabbing cowards, well done that man, but I think you need to do much better than that to get a permanent set on the UNSC, or a veto.

    Your response is the very reason the UNSC exists, to prevent nutters like yourself from harming anyone but yourselves.

    Mar 18th, 2011 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Think's cunning plan is likely to work at the speed of ..... erosion or continental drift. Fully worthy of a Turnip Award!

    Mar 19th, 2011 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Wow... so many posts from us Argentines getting deleted, none from the Brits.

    Shocker ;-)

    Frank, you're still a 'chicano'.

    Mar 19th, 2011 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    Yo !
    Redhoyt -
    *I* allocate the Turnip Awards . . . . . . and I'm perfectly happy to award to Argentinans, F.I.s or Brits. if the invective or stupidity gets beyond the pale.
    Geoff.

    Mar 19th, 2011 - 01:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    I know it's a little off thread, but whilst surfing I came across this site -

    http://www.unirargentina.com.ar/ and the article “NECRÓFILOS, PERO NO TRADICIONALES”

    Two questions -

    1. Is this site for real ?

    2. Does 'NECRÓFILOS' have a different meaning in spanish because according to my translation software it becomes - “ ... Necrophilia, also called thanatophilia, and necrolagnia, is the sexual attraction to corpses ...” ?

    Maybe this translation software is not up to the job, but as Geoff said elsewhere ... funny old world !

    Mar 19th, 2011 - 02:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Probably used as a metaphor as the context of the article has nothing to do with the literal meaning of the word.

    And you're stupid.

    Mar 19th, 2011 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Martian - there was piece on the site about the Falkland islands which was what attracted me to it but it made me wonder how much I could rely on this translation software. I don't speak much spanish but then, being English, I find that most the civilised world wants to speak my language.

    However, for all my stupidity I notice that you have answered neither of my questions. But thanks for the information about it being a metaphor ... possibly!

    Mar 19th, 2011 - 02:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    It seems to be a general politics forum, and you don't speak ANY Spanish, leave it at that.

    Your language is actually very easy to learn, nothing special about it, sorry to burst your bubble.

    Mar 19th, 2011 - 03:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ron

    Hahaha. The British company will want the 2 thousand dollars they earn in the Malvinas Islands, knowing the risk to the political and economic instability? Or will prefer their lucrative multimillion-dollar contracts they have with Argentina. For them it is not important, nor the British government nor the Argentine government, let alone the “government” of the Islands. Companies and banks will go for the side from which earn more, therefore, will be the Argentine side.

    Mar 19th, 2011 - 03:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Mar 19th, 2011 - 04:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    I always thought that English was easy to learn ... it was for me!. It would also explain why it has become the universal language rather than any of the more complicated ones :-)

    Ron - Argentina does not have a goo reputation as a place that companies can do business in. This is why, for example, your oil industry is so run down.

    the danger for many companies would actually be in refusing to do business with the islanders in case that affected their ability to work with the UK.

    What goes around, comes around.

    Mar 19th, 2011 - 05:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Notice to Poster (70), (72) and any other possible infringers......

    TURNIP® is a Registered Trade Mark of: “El Think”

    Please, send all royalties to:
    El Think
    Patagonia (Islas incluidas)
    Argentina

    Thanks in advance
    El Think

    Mar 19th, 2011 - 06:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @80 El Think, Don de Patagonia, please stop evading the issue and answer the question-“explain fully, in intimate detail, the reasons for Argentina's claims on South Georgia & South Sandwich lslands”.
    Several, in fact most posters here await your revelations with bated breath.

    Mar 19th, 2011 - 07:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (81) Cher Isolde

    You say:
    ”Please stop evading the issue and answer the question: Explain fully, in intimate detail, the reasons for Argentina's claims on South Georgia & South Sandwich islands”.

    I say:
    Finally somebody uses the magic word: “Please”…………….:-)

    My answer:
    Argentina claims South Georgia & South Sandwich islands for the very same reasons as Great Britain does: * ** WE WANT THEM ***

    Mar 19th, 2011 - 07:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • saphira

    Is that it?hardly worth waiting for

    Mar 19th, 2011 - 08:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (83) Saphira & Co.

    Only natural Saphira, only natural……………

    Great revelations usually leave people with a feeling of spiritual vacuum and a short period of melancholy or transcendence…….

    The French call it ”La petite mort”

    Mar 19th, 2011 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    You expected a reasoned response?

    ““explain fully, in intimate detail, the reasons for Argentina's claims on South Georgia & South Sandwich lslands””

    There is none. It was invented during WW2, when the military dictatorship in Argentina thought Britain was weak and whilst engaged in fighting Hitler's Germany alone couldn't stop them.

    Mar 19th, 2011 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    Same as the Guatamalen claim on Belize .... like robbers' dogs on the edge of camp... howling at the moon....

    “Argentina claims South Georgia & South Sandwich islands for the very same reasons as Great Britain does: * ** WE WANT THEM ***”

    No, sunshine, the British don't want them... the British own them ...live with it

    Think... once again shown to be a shadow man.. all mouth.. no trousers... typical diego

    Mar 19th, 2011 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    El Think is indeed the King Turnip and there may be a royalty battle if we are not careful. Having said that, we could adopt Argentina's attitude to prior and legitimate claims and just claim the turnip awards for ourselves ..... and keep demanding them even if we are getting nowhere!

    Mar 19th, 2011 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    Its well documented that the first use of the word 'Turnip” was by Redhoyt in 1833.
    I'll show the documents to you........ just as soon as I have fabricated... er ... found them...

    Mar 19th, 2011 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @84 Think, l have quite a different meaning for “la petite mort”, my dear Think! As you well know.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Really?, because you want them? But the British OWN them.
    l want a new Mercedes-Benz, but no-one is going to give me one.
    And no-one is going to “give”you SG & the SSI.
    You will have to do better than that, Cher Think

    Mar 19th, 2011 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    All English schoolboys of a certain age learned about Turnips during their training in soil fertility and four-crop rotation.

    Charles Townshend, 2nd Viscount Townshend (1674 – 1738) was a British statesman. For a decade he was Secretary of State, directing British foreign policy. He later became known as Turnip Townshend because of his strong interest in farming, and his role in the British agricultural revolution.

    If Argentinian schools taught about soil fertility and (four-)crop rotation, Argentinian agricultural and livestock output could increase closer to first world levels.

    So . . . . . as my ancestor is the REAL owner of the Turnip Trademark (1730) – preceding 1833 - I, and I alone, allocate Turnip Awards for Extreme Invective and Absurd Stupidities.

    Mar 19th, 2011 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Olov

    Wow..... so much hatred written here...... and personal (and I expect commercial) agendas.....

    As with East Timor and South Sudan let the people decide. The history doesn't matter now... how many years and generations. Imagine families being taken from there homes, children taken away from there friends and sent far away... they know only these Islands. The world doesn't need another Palestine.

    Neither Argentina or UK need these Islands but people have a right to their homes.

    Swed abroad

    Yak

    Mar 19th, 2011 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Frank - why manufacture when there is so much real stuff around :-)

    “ Let the people decide ” ... like it ! That would be the 3000 of course, not the 40 million :-))

    Mar 19th, 2011 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (89) Isolde

    You “one way minded” lass...............................

    Mar 19th, 2011 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Bill Luxton

    Quote...
    10 ptolemy (#)
    Mar 17th, 2011 - 11:38 pm
    Report abuse
    Sorry, a different thread. Is anyone actually here, from the Falklands? I have question. Does anyone know if www.falklands.info is a legitimate site that represents the Falklands? I am trying to contact the owners with no success.
    Unquote..

    Yes, there are islanders on here - this one's family has been here for 147 years - and we are relative newcomers!
    Yes , I believe it IS a genuine site and there are lots more if you Google Falkland islands! Not the other M word - that will likely turn up a load of total crap.

    Mar 19th, 2011 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    BILL
    Is it not 30 year since the conflict,
    will they be celebrating freedom by choice.
    perhaps shown on Argentinean TV, to show how things have progressed.
    A few rockets/fire works, A visit from a top British diplomat, David Cameron perhaps, just an idea .

    Mar 19th, 2011 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (89) Pour Isolde

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbmPTsyB2H8
    Janis thoughts about relating happiness to a Merc.......

    El Think

    Mar 19th, 2011 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Wireless

    @89 Isolde
    'but no-one is going to give me one'

    Ahem!

    I would suggest that depends on what you look like and the cost of travel to where you might be my dear.

    I hasten to add that I am happily married and regret my forced abstention is regretted but permanent.

    Mar 20th, 2011 - 01:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Having my comments removed again Kelpers? haha

    Sore losers,

    Mar 20th, 2011 - 04:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    Isolde (#89), you little tease ;-)

    At least Wireless (#97) shows himself to be a real gentleman!

    Mar 20th, 2011 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Pour Isolde

    http://seekingalpha.com/article/259115-divergences-in-gold-may-be-signaling-reversal?source=aal_3_sc540

    Be carefull out there........

    Mar 20th, 2011 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    98 Was it a lengthy, thoughtful and incisive effort that took some time to put together or was it just short and to the point?

    Mar 20th, 2011 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    Most likely neither of the above....

    Mar 20th, 2011 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britishbulldog

    What numpty thought of this one in Argentina, Do they really think that that little bit of stupid legislation, all it will do is hurt Argentina, it wont hurt the Falklands and it certainly wont hurt Britain, what stupid people they have in that country. I am still laughing at it all, IDIOTS.

    Mar 20th, 2011 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    As Argentina's oil battle with the United Kingdom rages on, the only other obstacle the South American country can throw at oil companies planning to drill near the Falkland Islands is to interdict U.K. ships or equipment - but regional expert Riordan Roett doubts the Argentines are “stupid enough to do that.”
    This would be a “very dangerous move” on the part of the Argentine government, said Roett, director of Latin American studies at Johns Hopkins University in Washington. Argentina, which went to war with the U.K. in 1982 over Falklands’ sovereignty, is “very careful” about challenging the British in reaching the islands, Roett noted
    http://oilprice.com/Geo-Politics/South-America/Argentina-Running-Out-Of-Options-In-Falklands-Oil-Fight.html
    ,

    Mar 20th, 2011 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    Briton... in that link from March 2010...“ The president also tabled a
    bill that would impose a 30-day deadline on firms to sever ties with the islands or be run out of Argentina.”.... yep... that worked...

    Mar 20th, 2011 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    thank you frank
    i try to pass on what i find good or ad
    thanks.

    Mar 20th, 2011 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    I have investigated the UN C24 issue, and it appears that the Falkland Islands Government invited H.E. Mr Donatus Keith St. Aimee
    Chairman, United Nations Special Committee on Decolonisation on 7 december 2010 to spend quality time in the Islands discussing decolonisation and self-determination issues relating to the Islands' own status:

    http://www.falklands.gov.fk//documents/UN%20C24%20Chairman%20invited%20to%20Falkland%20Islands.pdf

    The document has been circulated throughout the UN General Assembly so the whole world is aware of the request.

    (i) Does anybody know if H.E. Mr Donatus Keith St. Aimee
    Chairman, United Nations Special Committee on Decolonisation, has replied to the F.I. Government?

    (ii) Does anyone know, if there was a reply, what it said?

    Mar 21st, 2011 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • dab14763

    I don't know if he replied, but he's no longer chairman, so he's unlikely to visit. See:

    http://en.mercopress.com/2011/03/12/new-decolonization-committee-president-invited-to-visit-argentina

    I don't expect the new chairman to accept an invitation if one were issued

    Mar 21st, 2011 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    So, time to issue the invitation AGAIN, with notification to ALL members of the General Assembly.

    Public exposure of overt political bias in a United Nation Committee chairman is a great weapon - it can be used to embarass, humiliate and ultimately destroy credibility.
    Chairpersons who have lost credibility are quietly asked to leave.

    Mar 21st, 2011 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Happy Autumn Equinox everyone.
    @100 Think, thank you for the warning per gold. l believe it will go even higher. And l still, one day will get my Mercedes-Benz. But l'll pay for it myself, but thank you all who offered!

    Mar 21st, 2011 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    What a picture of desperation.

    It's not very difficult to put myself in your place, a small group of people, on an island with notoriously atrocious weather, right next to a continent that for the most part supports its return to its rightful owner. Playing the role of the cute little English colony, pretending England isn't 8,000 miles away, completely self-deluded into thinking that you are actually on English soil.

    Do you really think that your attitude is fooling anyone? Do you think we don't know how precarious your circumstances really are?

    On one hand we have the... “we're not worried, you've got nothing Argies, we've got four Typhoons and a bloody submarine!”

    And on the other... “Does anybody know if H.E. Mr Donatus Keith St. Aimee has replied to the F.I. Government? Does anyone know, if there was a reply, what it said? Time to issue the invitation AGAIN!”

    Well, why don't you tell Mr Donatus Keith St. Aimee that there is no rush? That you're quite happy with the status quo and that you are in total control.

    If Mr Donatus Keith St. Aimee should have a chat with anyone speaking on your behalf it should be with your government, the UK. A very serious chat.

    But don't worry, you are in total control. ;-)

    Mar 21st, 2011 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    “ .... Well, why don't you tell Mr Donatus Keith St. Aimee that there is no rush? That you're quite happy with the status quo and that you are in total control ...”

    Well summed up .... you must be starting to see sense. You haven't got any but at least it's in sight :-)

    Mar 21st, 2011 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    And yet... “Time to issue the invitation AGAIN” : P

    Mar 21st, 2011 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    Martin,
    the reason for the new invitation is because Aimee was replaced. The UN seems to think an Ecuadorian and a Cuban can do the job better - so let's help them.
    Geoff.

    Mar 21st, 2011 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    Geoff

    There was no reply to the invitation.

    Justin

    Mar 21st, 2011 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Martin_Fierro you say shut up idiot,
    this is your anser to all that disagree with you.
    shame on you. you like the british, you love the british, you lke to insult others, but cant take others insulting you.
    shame//shame//shame//shame//shame//how does it feel to be insulted,

    Mar 21st, 2011 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    111 You denigrate the Typhoon and Trafalgar Class Submarine but they are very good and even on their own would seriously blunt any invasion force trying to cross 400 miles of open water. Your point presumably is that the Islands should be further reinforced to resist an attack from both Argentina and its allies. However the UK retains the potential in times of increased tension the Islands to rapidly reinforce the Islands with additional troops and military hardware by air. The likelihood of Argentina persuading the one serious player on its side, to join an invasion force are considered remote though not impossible. As for all this colonial/UN nonsense, well lets just say its another blind alley for Argentinians to march up and pleasure themselves.
    116 Don't think you actually insulted him.
    You merely complimented him of having good taste in liking all thing British. And you are quite right of course.

    Mar 21st, 2011 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Be serious , thank you
    he insults on other bloggs but does not like it when it is done to him.
    I wont insult with childish words so a few hints on him liking the British infuriates him [some times]
    but as the British had a submarine their without no one knowing, it just proves you cannot trust the British [in the good sense] as you never know when or where they will turn up. their may well be at this very moment a submarine in the south Atlantic, just waiting, you never know,
    proud to be British , cant say the same of Argentina mm

    Mar 21st, 2011 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    111 Martin_Fierro
    ''What a picture of desperation.

    It's not very difficult to put myself in your place, a small group of people, on an island with notoriously atrocious weather, right next to a continent that for the most part supports its return to its rightful owner. Playing the role of the cute little English colony, pretending England isn't 8,000 miles away, completely self-deluded into thinking that you are actually on English soil''

    I can't believe you've been on here all this time and don't even know the difference between England and Britain!
    Apart from that, the rest of your post is very very funny. I can't recognise anything in it and that's what makes it surreal and entertaining.
    Desperate...err,no.
    Terrible weather? Has been known, but looking out on yet another cloudless sky after four months of sunshine.
    A continent that suppports you? No, they despise you- I've been to Chile enough times to know that.They just pretend to so that you might shut up for a bit.
    Pretending England isn't 8000 mile away??? How would you do that then? I go to England every couple of years and I know exactly how far away it is, and so does everyone else.
    Colony? No, British Overseas Territory.

    I guess you're just trying to be annoying. Can't even do that can you?

    Never mind.

    Mar 21st, 2011 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    114 GeoffWard,

    I know he was replaced. I wonder why Mr Donatus Keith St. Aimee, while in South America didn't bother to go see you. - If the previous representative wasn't stupid enough to swallow your lies, what makes you think the current one will?

    119 Monty69,

    Chile, yeah... you would bring up Chile, wouldn't you? What else have you got?

    There is no difference between “England” and “Britain”, “Pirate” and “Thief”, all the same to us.

    “There was no reply to the invitation.” awww.. ;-)

    Mar 21st, 2011 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    120 Martin_Fierro

    The Uruguayans don't think much of you either :-(

    Mar 21st, 2011 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    England and Britain
    England beat spain
    Britain beat Argentina
    no difference their then ..

    Mar 21st, 2011 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    121 Monty69,

    And how exactly did you come to that conclusion? The Pulp mill dispute? Is that it?

    There are 120,000 Uruguayans living in Argentina, that's a big number for a country of only 3.5 million people. And from wherever the hell you're from you want to tell me how Uruguayans feel about us? I have friends from Uruguay, relations with them are as good as they get.

    ”Uruguay in 2009 maintained its policy of refusing landing rights for British military planes on their flights to the Falklands Islands (Spanish: Islas Malvinas) and in 2010 refuses entry to the Port of Montevideo of HMS Gloucester (D96)” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina–Uruguay_relations

    How do you like them apples? Brit

    Mar 21st, 2011 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    You know if we were your neighbours and you had us over a barrel that's exactly what we would do.
    Did you know that Mercopress is run by some nice chaps from Monte?

    Mar 21st, 2011 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    I highly doubt Mercopress is run from Montevideo. And if it is what's that suppose to prove?

    The argument was that Uruguayans “don't think much of us”, postulating that Uruguay has no choice but to comply with Argentina doesn't explain why 120,000 Uruguayans live in Argentina. Doesn't explain why the FAU imports Argentine-built aircraft when they can easily import from Brazil or anywhere else.

    You're better off sticking to Chile Brit, that's your only port of harbor, for now.

    Mar 21st, 2011 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    When the oil starts to flow, the Falklands could end up with the most sophisticated advanced harbour in the south Americas, it only takes money, and they will have plenty of that .
    A brand new town advanced modern technology , yes the Falklands will have to change, but boy wont it be worth it, the envy of south America we be thinking .

    Mar 21st, 2011 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    I'm not sure about that. The ideal for me would be if the oil could be loaded straight onto ships and taken away. A modern port would be a fine thing with dry docking and all the rest. A new town? No. I don't think so.

    Mar 22nd, 2011 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    estancia vik jose ignacio uruguay the art of doing nothing, mercopress this year.... in google you can find it
    the chief is obviusly british and his wife may be uruguayan (surely not argentinian)

    Mar 22nd, 2011 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Well I guess that concludes the argument, which I won as usual.

    Boludos

    Mar 22nd, 2011 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    err, no. I met two chaps from Monte at a party in Stanley once who said they ran Mercopress. I don't think they were making it up.

    Mar 22nd, 2011 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Well thank you for that valuable piece of information Monty.

    “two chaps from Monte at a party in Stanley”

    What the HELL would two Uruguayans be doing at a party in Puerto Argentino? (or “Stanley” as you called it)

    “the chief is obviusly british and his wife may be uruguayan”

    That explains a lot about Mercopress actually, and does nothing to support the theory that Argentine-Uruguayan relations are bad.

    It validates my theory that Mercopress sole function is to expose “the Falklands” to the world in a seemingly “objective” manner, nothing objective about it if the chief is British. I'll go a step further, the chief is not just British, the chief was BORN in Malvinas. ;-)

    Thank you, Monty.

    Mar 22nd, 2011 - 01:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    ''What the HELL would two Uruguayans be doing at a party in Puerto Argentino? (or “Stanley” as you called it)''

    Doh, what do you think? Drinking beer and chatting up the Falkland Islands totty.
    Oh and visiting one of the countries on their patch and,hmm, reporting.
    You haven't a clue what you're talking about.
    As for 'objective', I imagine they've visited Argentina too.

    Mar 22nd, 2011 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    No, no clues, facts... from you.
    Don't bother deleting these comments Mercopress, I already took a screen-shot. ;-)

    Monty must be having a beer right now, a few. lol

    Mar 22nd, 2011 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    Am I understanding you rightly, Martin?
    You seem to think that there would be something unusual or even shameful in someone from a news agency that purports to cover the South Atlantic in visiting the Falkland Islands and talking to Falkland Islanders?
    Wouldn't you expect them to? Wouldn't you expect them to have contacts in all the countries in the region?
    What are you planning to do with your screen- shot? Is it going to make headline news where you come from?
    I'll give you as many facts as you like. I'm not interested in lies and propaganda.

    Mar 22nd, 2011 - 01:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    No facts at all in ...... fact!

    Ask Think, I seem to recall that he contacted Mercopress some while back.

    I recall him saying that they were indeed based in Uruguay and there was no mention of any 'British' person in charge. If there had of been I'm sure Think would have made merry with it.

    Not that it matters much. Good to have one press source supporting the islanders. After all there's a lot of misinformation in the Argentine press .. if only because they want to sell newspapers.

    It's a dog eat dog world in journalism I'm told ;-)

    Mar 22nd, 2011 - 01:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    134 Monty69,

    Nope, you're not understanding me at all, you're trying to change the subject.

    Think was definitely not speaking to the chief. ;-)

    Mar 22nd, 2011 - 02:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Angry little chap aren't we Martin? Didn't your mummy hug you as a child? Poor Martino, go out and punch a wall or something(but not your dog!).

    Mar 22nd, 2011 - 08:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    How's that noose getting on. Is it tight yet or are those foreigners still pulling? Seems like years but hang on (no pun intended) it has been years. They must be getting a bit tired, poorrsouls.

    Mar 22nd, 2011 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    poorsouls? arseholes more like. If this 'noose' is the best they can do we haven't got much to worry about.

    Mar 22nd, 2011 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • I

    about setting up a no “ship zone” in Malvinas Argentina like the one nato has in libya ?? we have a group of illegal aliens over taking our oil in Malvinas like the pirats in benghazy, Argentina's armed occupation could be next.

    Mar 22nd, 2011 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    Yawn....change the record I(mbecile).

    Mar 22nd, 2011 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • atk357

    As an American looking at another country in this continent, it is really sad that a president like CK is so far out on the left field in politics, even worse...not even in the “ballpark”. No wonder Obama visited Chile and Brazil....bypassing Argentina! I am sure there are people in Argentina who does not agree with her polices. Let's hope “common sense”...if there is any left, will change Argentina's future later this year!

    Mar 22nd, 2011 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (135)

    The ever increasingly discourteous poster from Thailand says:
    “Ask Think, I seem to recall that he contacted MercoPress some while back.
    I recall him saying that they were indeed based in Uruguay and there was no mention of any 'British' person in charge. If there had of been I'm sure Think would have made merry with it.”

    I say:
    Juppp……..
    I spoke to the owner of Mercopress…
    A well spoken, polite and educated chap…
    From a well established Uruguayan family …
    With deep and indelible roots in the most beautiful Pictland…

    IMHO, .............MercoPress is a fine but appalling one-sided source of information………
    Anybody commenting, on any topic, only based on information from this provenience is just showing an incredible lack of critical sense……..

    To put it mildly :-)

    Mar 22nd, 2011 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frase

    To be fair most news outlets have some sort of bias and agenda, sometimes it's kept fairly subtle, sometimes it's blatantly obvious, like Fox news for example.

    I tend to read the Guardian (I'm sure I'll cop a lot of flack for that here!), but I try to take it with a pinch of salt and read about news that interests me from as many sources as possible.

    Mar 22nd, 2011 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    “ ... The ever increasingly discourteous poster from Thailand says...”

    I'm headed towards the common denominator Think, but at least I'm not a stalker!

    As for 'one-sided' .... I've typed 'Malvinas Noticia' into Google and looked the responses. We need a little 'one-sided' to counter all your 'one-sided'. At least Mercopress provides a forum which allows us to bring a little truth into your brainwashed lives.

    Turnip!

    Mar 22nd, 2011 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    I am finding Mercopress well integrated into all the world's press agencies these days, so there is incredibly fast comparisons of news perspectives possible.

    Yes, there is an anglophile slant on FI stories and a relish for Argentinan failures, but this balances out through reading other agency takes on each story.

    I find the partisanship refreshingly open and honest, and the teasing acceptible.

    It is MUCH more exciting as a forum than any of the BBC online sites, where moderation, censorship and 'house-bias' serve to create a composite view of world affairs that is sanitised and anodyne.

    Be thankful you have a 'free' site where red meat can still be chewed and spat out.

    Mar 22nd, 2011 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    unless you have CJD, , Argentina, probably
    the most intelligent country in the world
    Just a tease

    Mar 22nd, 2011 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    120 Martin_Fierro (#)
    “ 114 GeoffWard, I know he was replaced. I wonder why Mr Donatus Keith St. Aimee, while in South America didn't bother to go see you. - If the previous representative wasn't stupid enough to swallow your lies, what makes you think the current one will?”

    Martin, you know I live in Brasil - why on earth would either of these guys come to see me?

    Much better for them to go to the Falkland Islands. I'm sure the Governor can help them with an interpretor.

    And what's all this about lies?
    Come on Martin, don't get so up-tight - it's only a blog-site!

    Mar 23rd, 2011 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Geoff, other than the milkman you're so fond of, why would anyone come to see you?

    None of you answered the question. No shocks there.

    Mar 23rd, 2011 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • mjprando

    This man does not stand a chance ... trust me
    Greetings from RGland

    Mar 23rd, 2011 - 05:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    149 Martin_Fierro
    Was there a question? Must have missed it.
    Go on , ask us again and I'll give it a go.

    Mar 23rd, 2011 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Gotta love this ... apparently yje 1982 war was started by the British :-)

    http://www.malvinense.com.ar/diasp.html

    Mar 23rd, 2011 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    151 Monty69
    “Was there a question?”

    121 Monty69
    “The Uruguayans don't think much of you either”

    123 Martin_Fierro
    “And how exactly did you come to that conclusion?”

    Mar 23rd, 2011 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    Been pondering Fido's British bad teeth allusions (helped by the YouTube link) . . .

    Fido, this is a special branch of essentially British humour called self-parody.

    Recommend you chase up
    Harry Enfield (especially Kevin) and
    the whole of the Blackadder series.

    They will give you much enjoyment and a pleasant insight into the British psyche.

    Mar 23rd, 2011 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    about el malvinense you mention
    the name of the creator and director and its nationality is said in the page. nothing hide.

    Mar 23rd, 2011 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    I have read Redhoyt's #152 link , albeit in Google translation:
    www.malvinense.com.ar/diasp.html
    A finer piece of literary disingenuity would be hard to find.

    Mar 23rd, 2011 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Where does he get this idea that the british have bad teeth,
    is he saying all his countries teeth are gleeming white.

    Mar 23rd, 2011 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Wireless

    If all your legal arguments are failing due to a lack of credible evidence, then obviously focussing the debate on something entirely inane is a standard ploy of these Argentine posters.

    I'm just left wondering how any tenuous evidence of 'bad teeth' would help promote the Argentine case at the International Court of Justice.

    Perhaps our esteemed South American contributors can explain.

    Mar 23rd, 2011 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    158 Wireless,

    As opposed to your highly reputable sources... Pascoe & Pepper, haha, the two clowns that suggested that, Juan Manuel de Rosas 'implicitly' stated that Argentina had withdrawn its claim on Malvinas, even though no documents exist that mention anything of the kind. ALL fabricated in an effort to bring “truth” to the issue.

    CLOWNS.

    Mar 24th, 2011 - 04:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Hopping threads Martian?

    As I've pointed out elsewhere, P&P have a good point as section 7 of the 1850 Convention clearly states - “ ... VII. Under this Convention perfect friendship between Her Britannic Majesty's Government and the Government of the Confederation, is restored to its former state of good understanding and cordiality....”

    Perfect friendship - a phrase suggesting no outstanding issues standing in the way of that perfect friendship. A peace Treaty negotiated without any mention of the Falkland Islands .... sounds like acceptance to me.

    At least P&P state their sources and explain their arguments, unlike so many Argentine 'historians'.

    You hot a red-nose Martian ?

    Mar 24th, 2011 - 04:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    A valid point is a valid point anywhere.

    And you know what? I couldn't find a single reference to this so called “acquiescence” on behalf of Argentina being used in an official ruling or arbitration of any kind. If it's so relevant and official, why doesn't the UK throw it in our face every time Argentina brings up the issue?

    Mar 24th, 2011 - 05:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Wireless

    International Convention, if two countries are negotiating a peace treaty, and one country holds territory that the other disputes, yet neither country mention this possession, and such phrases as 'perfect friendship' is used within the treaty, then when that treaty is signed and ratified, the dispute no longer exists.

    The evidence for this is the removal of the annual message to congress in Argentina in 1850, and absolute silence on behalf of the Argentine Government in any sphere until the 1880s, and nothing of any note what so ever until Peronism hijacked the idea as a means to unite the people, and even Juan Peron admitted as such to the British.

    Marvin, you're talking a load of propaganda nonsense, take the matter to the ICJ if you're so sure that the Big Lie is true, but otherwise stop whining about it like a child, its just boring.

    Mar 24th, 2011 - 05:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    No answer to my question, as usual. Let me know when you come across any other bullshit 'facts' I'll be more than happy to set you straight. Brit.

    Now you'll write some more crap and 20 posts later you'll ask “What was the question again?”

    Imbeciles.

    Mar 24th, 2011 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    The only indisputable fact is that at this moment in time the Falkland Islanders wish to remain British.
    I could drone on about establishing a no fly zone over Northern Ireland or Occupied Patagonia but at the end of the day its all supercilious, hypothetical nonsense.

    Mar 24th, 2011 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    164,

    No argument from me, I don't believe anyone is asking them to be anything else other than British. But when it comes to Malvinas their association to the 'British crown' comes at a very high price, a never ending dispute.

    We can argue back and forth all you want, but I know this 'status quo' you're so fond of does not equal peace. And I'm not talking about who's 'right' or 'wrong' so don't give me the “We have no doubt about or sovereignty” speech, I'm just talking.

    And all this garbage Mercopress likes to post just to watch us argue like idiots... so that they can laugh and profit at our expense. No risk, nothing to do with them 'presumably'. Either way it's ridiculous, none of us can change anything.

    If Argentina and the UK were to come to some kind of resolution Mercopress would go out of business and rightly so.

    Mar 24th, 2011 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    your 146 comment doesnt seem to be of an independent agency. you recoignize there partial interests thats what i want to know where they come from.
    and the oil theme those explotions that are made for finding it in the sea can produce confusion and be extremely nocive for whales ears that can produce their massive death. engineers working in oil (of my family) have said me that and i expect many people would be talking on these theme nowadays specially in argentina. its important to know what is happening to the whales 400 is too much and southamericans must be interest on this they are affecting our sea.

    Mar 24th, 2011 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Peace? Dispute? Hey, what problem .. the Falkland Islands are British ... no Problem !

    Mar 24th, 2011 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/1850_Convention_of_Settlement

    Complete text of the Convention of Settlement.

    Mar 24th, 2011 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Teaboy2

    martin #149 - i know you like to tell people what articles to post on and what not do like a self decleared moderatory on this site, but i insist you read the rules above the first post that clearly states comments that are ”rude or foul language, discriminative comments (based on ethnicity, religion, gender, nationality, sexual orientation or the sort), spamming or any other offensive or inappropriate behaviour will not be tolerated” - As your comment contained likely libelous comments in regards to Geoff and his sexuality, your post has be reported and no doubt will be removed shortly by the editor, who is the real moderator on this site and does a far better job at it then you ever could.

    Mar 24th, 2011 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Whatever teaboy

    Mar 24th, 2011 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    163 Martin_Fierro
    Funnily enough, Martin, I do have better things to do than lurk on here hanging off your every word.
    OK, I have met a fair few Uruguayans and they all had nothing much good to say about Argentina. However, they all had business and personal links with the Falklands,so I'm aware that this might not be a representative sample.
    So if it makes you feel better, I'll admit that there are probably many thousands of Uruguayens out there who absolutely love you and don't mind a bit when you tell them who they can and can't do business with.

    Mar 24th, 2011 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    151 Monty69,
    “Was there a question? Must have missed it. Go on , ask us again and I'll give it a go.”

    121 Monty69
    “The Uruguayans don't think much of you either”

    123 & 153 Martin_Fierro
    “And how exactly did you come to that conclusion?”

    171 Monty69
    “ I do have better things to do than lurk on here hanging off your every word”

    Oh, I see ;-)

    A few Uruguayans had “nothing much good to say about Argentina”

    Hm... that's terrible!

    “you tell them who they can and can't do business with”

    “they all had business and personal links with the Falklands”

    We “tell them” who they can and can't do business with, but all the Uruguayans you met had business and personal links with Malvinas.

    Honestly, I'm a little confused.

    Mar 25th, 2011 - 03:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @172 Martin, l know, we can see you're confused. Have a mug of coffee and little rest and you'll be alright.

    Mar 25th, 2011 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Teaboy2

    Isolde - Martins always confused, hell we've all tried to point out the truth and the facts to him in each argument, but it only confuses him more. In fact, he ends up getting that confused he starts to get agitated and starts using insults and changing the subject of the argument in order to prove his argument is right.

    Mar 25th, 2011 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Let it go man, you lost the argument ages ago.

    Uruguay supports Argentina, end of story. Deal with it.

    Mar 26th, 2011 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    How far does this support go Marty?
    Is it from the sidelines or do you think they want to play?

    What a boring Saturday night, I'm off down the pub if its still there.
    Good Evening.

    Mar 26th, 2011 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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