Puerto Madryn welcomes all cruise vessels; Ushuaia tourism industry blasts the governor
The Patagonian province of Chubut said that contrary to what happened earlier this week in Tierra del Fuego, there is no ban on any cruise vessel flag and all are welcome to dock and make use of the provincial ports’ services, particularly Puerto Madryn which belongs to the South Atlantic sea tourism circuit.
“The legal system in Chubut does not refer at all to vessels involved in activities different to that of cargo and therefore the provincial authorities will not impose any measure similar to that adopted by the governor of Tierra del Fuego”, said Miuel Montoya head of the Legal and Technical Department from the Chubut governor’s office, according to local media reports.
The Chubut tourism industry from the city of Puerto Madryn was very much concerned with what had happened in Ushuaia earlier in the week when two British flagged cruises were turned back because they were also coming from the Falkland Islands. Puerto Madryn and Ushuaia are the main Patagonian ports visited by cruise vessels.
Montoya who comes from Comodoro Rivadavia and also happens to be a Malvinas war veteran, said that the so called “Gaucho Rivero” bill and its only article simply bans the permanence, docking, supply or/and logistics operations in provincial territory of British or convenience flagged vessels involved in tasks not authorized by Argentina national authorities related to the exploration and exploitation of natural resources in the Islas Malvinas basin on the Argentine continental platform, and naval vessels operating in that basin.
Tierra del Fuego governor Fabiana Rios last Monday turned back two British flagged cruise vessels in what she said was abidance with that province’s ‘Gaucho Rivero’ bill which immediately triggered world headlines because of its impact on commercial activities and political consequences ahead of the 30th anniversary of the 1982 Malvinas War, when Argentina invaded the Falklands.
“It is not our interest to make a scandal or harm anybody, it is merely compliance with a law and the unrestricted defence of our sovereignty over the Malvinas Islands”, said Governor Rios addressing the provincial congress and ratifying her Monday decision.
The provincial decision led to a serious clash with Ushuaia tourism industry representatives who abandoned a meeting with local authorities given their inflexible political position while and tourism chambers also resigned from the Tierra del Fuego Ports advisory council.
The Tierra del Fuego tourism industry fears the economic impact of closing the port of Ushuaia to cruise vessels, many of which fly a British convenience flag or belong to British companies, such was the case of the ‘Sea Princess’ and the ‘Adonia’ with 2.850 and 710 passengers respectively. The absence of the two cruises cost Ushuaia almost a million dollars, according to local tourism sources.
Furthermore Chubut province tourism operators are fearful of what can happen in Miami when the next Seatrade Cruise Shipping Convention 2012, the industry’s major meeting on March 12/15. Tierra del Fuego will have to explain what is going on and what the official policy is, and Puerto Madryn could also suffer the consequences of any drastic measure.
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Is this what you meant Think? Chuckle :-)
Is it as cunning as a fox what used to be Professor of Cunning at Oxford University but has moved on and is now working for the U.N. at the High Commission of International Cunning Planning?
:-)))))
As Think said “Fasten Your Seatbelts”….. He meant for the Argie In-flight!
Chuckle chuckle©
Surely you either ban all shipping bearing the Jolly Roger, or it's derivatives or you don't. It's that f*cking simple people.
Actually we'll just avoid your ports while you sort it out.
It does seam that your dear leader has burnt the bridges though, so i suggest her recent 3hr homily will turn out to be more hot air and you will continue to be led in ever decreasing circles.
Hows your solidarity with TDF, comrade?
Snigger, snigger ☺☺☺☺.
The Cruise Ship “Gambit” has been tested and it has proven quite effective…
The Cruise Industry has been warned and they will be ”gently reminded” in the near future in Miami.
No reason to throw good money out of the window :-)
PS:
(8) Nice to have you still on-board, Mr. Stanic.
We are showing the “turnips” how diverging ideologies coexist perfectly in today’s Argentina.
Saludos and may a lot of Brazilians rain on you this winter season…..
El Think
Have you figured out what our alternate option to the LAN flight or KFC's dreamland Aerolineas Argentinos offer of flights is yet? Chuckle.
The South-Atlantic Cruise Season is soon over……
The “Gentle Reminding to the Cruise Industry” will continue in Florida on a forthnight….
The results of this Gambit will first show in December….
Much more interesting events coming up the next couple of weeks though….
1) A long overdue Rockhopper’s CPR.
2) The first BOR result ( BTW; their shares dropped 4,5% yesterday… a bad Omen…. A Duster?.... Let’s hope so…..)
The one economic control they have over the islands is risk, I think we're all agreed on that one. But I think she'll try to do a YPF-Repsol here, and it's a part of a long term play involving the Acquisition of aforementioned company.
A long term play with the CFK gov means to the end of that day.
YPF will have to be nationalised in the end, because they are trying to run a business and she is running a popularity contest, and the two are not compatible.
As for the Falklands oil, the oil industry is quite used to operating in conflict zones, this spat in the south Atlantic will not bother them one iota. Only the size and accessibility of the deposits will have any real impact on their thinking.
The way it work with the cruse industry is they tell a port what they want and expect, and the port agrees and makes it happen, or they go somewhere else, it is not a negotiation in any sense of the word. Puerto Madryn seem to realise this, Ushuaia clearly does not.
It will be interesting to see what happens when larger and larger numbers of ships and rigs start arriving in the S Atlantic for the Falklands oil fields, if places like Puerto Madryn even keep to the ban on oil vessels.
I somehow doubt Montevideo or Punta Arenas will ban all that business, probably get rich on it instead.
Such staggering incompetence is just hilarious to watch!
Its hardly surprising their international strategy and politics is such a shambles.
I “Think” your ideas are very much influenced by your ownership of RKH, DES and perhaps BOR shares.....
I think there are other things going on here though... if it becomes economic to have significant numbers of people flying out of USA, then surely a US carrier would be on the case.
I guess something else is afoot, fuelled by the bitterness that FIslands might have oil.
Any company, oil or otherwise, thinking of getting involved in developing the S Atlantic will not be planning on doing anything via Argentina. This can be taken as read.
Hard nosed oilmen are not going to be moved by any such gestures by CFK, they probably know people who work for YPF. They also know the agreement of the Islanders is required for there purposes, and CFK’s is not
I have no doubt you are right that CFK is trying to affect things in some way, I just doubt that she now has any influence whatsoever over the events in motion, in the S Atlantic anyway.
From my short time in the oil business in Nigeria, NO oil company will regard CFK as an ally.
If anything oil companies fly their people in to a large International airport and use private planes (who are far more pliable to the oil industry needs) to fly them into the local strip.
I can easily see Uruguay MVD becoming a player here.
And I think your frequent use of EPIC TLAs and oil industry speak indicates that yours are too.
Whether we do or we don't hardly matters. In my case I lived on the islands for periods in the 1980s and 1990s, have visited Chile and Argentina and worked in a political analysis role in the UN during the 2000s. This experience has had a more profound effect on my interests and thinking than the venal prospect of boosting the value of my SIPP (important though that is to Mrs dod and the little dods).
And just to be clear. I'm a 100% supporter of the rights of the present FI population to determine their relationship with the rest of the world, a 100% supporter of Argentina's right to use diplomacy to advance its own interests under international law but, more fundamentally, I'm a 100% supporter of the value of discussion to understanding the other persons point of view as a starting point to help resolve conflict.
You can see you stung me!
I don't think you can call Mount Pleasant Airport a local strip but I take your point. As a single gesture it will not make much difference, I just say it might be why its being done at this time with other similar gestures.
Well…………….
If half of what you say is true, then I must say……..
Welcome!
Nice to have you on these pages!
Your kind is sorely needed! (As you probably have already inferred :-)
And just to be clear…..:
1) I’m as poor as a church mouse.
2) Even f I wasn’t, I would sooner slash my wrists open with an eraser than buy any speculative shares.
3) My use of “EPIC TLAs” and ´”Oil Industry Speak” are just a consequence of its relevance in the current phase of the “Malvinas Issue”
Looking forward to some intelligent exchanges….
Respectfully
El Think, Chubut, Argentina
Thank you. If the flurry of initiatives continues into the next week as it has this one I think more exchanges are guaranteed. Meanwhile I'm now off for my supper.
I don't think so...
www.bis.doc.gov/complianceandenforcement/antiboycottcompliance.htm
The antiboycott laws were adopted to encourage, and in specified cases, require U.S. firms to refuse to participate in foreign boycotts that the United States does not sanction. They have the effect of preventing U.S. firms from being used to implement foreign policies of other nations which run counter to U.S. policy.
“The Cruise Industry has been warned and they will be 'gently reminded' in the near future in Miami”
So what are the Argentinians planning on gently reminding them that will contradict US antiboycott laws? Can THINK be more explicit because we're all a bit stupid here.
l think you're telling more porkypies.
You live in the countryside l guess.
You have access to a computer
You have horses
You have dogs
You have been on holidays to Scandinavia & ltaly
Then you say that “you're as poor as a church mouse”!!!!!!
Unless you were telling fibs about where you've been & what you've got.
ln either case l believe that you are handling the truth extremely carelessly.
à bientot & have a good evening.
Story of my life……
Not enough with trying to keep all those sweet mature widows at bay…..
Now I even got an uncouth, young infatuated British cyber-squatterette howling after my attention!
What part of my “NO” don’t you understand, dear Isolde child?
I know it’s difficult ma chérie, but…Try to forget me ;-)
Sweet dreams to you too.
PS:
It’s an affluent parish
the problem is that if you live in those islands the only girls that you can see are all fat ass
That’s a gross exaggeration…............
World famous kelperettes as D.H or L.W. have some quite well proportioned derrières….
Domestic Violence Deaths Rise 40% in Argentina
www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=360379&CategoryId=14093
As MercoPress doesn’t seem to be interested in publishing anything about the troubles in my beloved Aysén, I will do it….
ilovechile.cl/2012/03/04/cruise-ships-cancel-visits-due-aysen-protests/49658
Fuerza Chile!
Well, as you have probably never been to Britain how would you know?
But that is better than the fat headed Argentines who talk nonsense as you do.
Have a bad day. :o)
Like in the Pacific, no one seems to say 'you're in the north pacific, so unrelated to the people in the south pacific' because they're all Pacific Islanders. The Atlantic Island nations seem to have far more of a close cultural precedent and relationship than corruptionist mainland South Americans casting their greedy eyes over the sea, to see what they can take, but to be fair, it does sound like the Spanish.
Viva la fraternity between the Atlantic Islands, and screw the mainland corruptionist scum.
If I have a limited vocabulary is becouse english is my second lenguage, do you speak spanish or Italian?, if not, go and start to learn to use your brain, when you said crude, What are you talking about, becouse in all this mess the only ones that are crude are the Kelpers,
Did you visit Sud America, Asia, Europe?, I did, then after you learn some basic other lenguage try to be far from me.
Crude is often used to describe rude, disrespectful or uncouth language.
You also say 'see some good butts' which could be described as crude.
I hope this helps!
Kelpers is the way that British people named people from the islands, then way are you argued me about when the term KELPER. Why don t you go and ask british about it.
To me are Kelpers, is the british deffinition
I had this discussion about the nick “Kelper” last year, with a turnip called Justin(hishead)Kuntz, aka Wee Curry Monster….
He had written a Wikipedia Article on “Kelpers” in which he postulated:
“This term is not used much by themselves, largely because it is used in a derogatory manner by Argentines; most prefer “Falkland Islanders” or even “Bennies”, a nickname given to them by British soldiers during and after the 1982 war.”
During our debate, many real “Kelpers” expressed their appreciation for the nick “Kelper”
(Actually, quite a few disliked being called “Bennies” by the “Whenies” :-)
He later changed his Wikipedia Article on “Kelpers” that today reads:
“This term is no longer used as commonly as it once was (largely because it is considered insulting by some islanders when used by Argentines). Instead most prefer “Falkland Islanders” or even “Bennies”. “
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelpers
Truth is that I haven’t encounter (in real or cyber life) one single ”Kelper” that gets offended when called a ”Kelper”….
Maybe some “Kelpers” in here would like to contribute with their opinion?
However, calling people Argie never gets old.
While l sometimes agree with some of your posts, l have to take issue with what you last said.
Please show some respect for women.
All Argentine women are NOT slags etc etc.
And we don't need to know what you would do to them.
Argentine women, in fact get some sympathy from me because they have to put up with would be warriors & macho-men.
There are saints & sinners in every nationalities.
l will heartily back you though if you confine your insults to stupid malvinistas.
We're not the stupid ones here.
@69 the problem that Argentinian women have is that once they become women then they're all too old for Argentinian men.
@66 Conqueror - your posts are getting more and more offensive (particularly post 193 in the previous thread), you are getting ridiculous and sinking to the level of those you are trying to criticise, it does nothing to strengthen our position
I could argue that the Mexicans and Russians have displayed more respect for women when typing online if I juxtaposed the comments here to those where such nationalities are present. And those are real “macho” cultures (Argentina is as much a macho culture in comparison to the rest of Latin America, as water is corrosive in comparison to battery acid)
And lsolde takes the cake, I must confess (GreekYoghurt, Conqueror, et al are no surprise with their basement musings), with her instance of charientism—thanks for that actually, it allowed me to use that word:
All Argentine women are NOT slags etc etc.
And we don't need to know what you would do to them.
Argentine women, in fact get some sympathy from me because they have to put up with would be warriors & macho-men.
a) All argie women are not slags (but obviously most are). That is what we can conclude from this utterance, which lsolde so artfully foisted by surreptitiously lending credence to Conqueror's general idea in what appears otherwise to be a sincere rebuttal.
b) And her sympathy stems from the fact Argie males are somehow outrageous characters in comparison to other nationalities... (which of course is a thoroughly baseless observation and completely confutable like few things in this website are).
Is it not interesting that everyone here is a polymath about Argentina? To the solitary foreigner, all experts on its history, on its culture, on its Indians, on the women, on the men, on the economy, on the politics... The only expertise most here lack is honesty (to be clear, honesty in the narrow sense about their knowledge of my country).
Finally, not everyone has proficient command of English. I find it tepidly haughty when some expect everyone to.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=b04LxdCUZbk&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Thanks for your (half-kelper:-) input.
It corresponds and strengthens my previous beliefs.
Kind regards
El think, Chubut, Argentina
(72) Tobias
They are not only polymaths..............
Most of them are very, very rich, have various degrees from the finest universities, travel constantly throughout South-America (first class, of course) and have many, many Argentinean friends ;-)
You read into it what you please.
l was & am sincere in my sentiments.
With an attitude & logic like yours, is it any wonder that we don't trust you & want nothing to do with you.
Que horreur, what a collection of whackjobs.
Are you one of those wouldbe warriors?
l hear the squatter from the mountains chiming in.
www.fanpop.com/spots/alf/images/7617779/title/alf-photo
You are just as bad as Conqueror.
Don't be disgusting.
And no abuse this time or I will report you again and have the comment removed. :o)
I don't want anything to do with you (more precisely, I don't need anything from you)... Which means I don't ever have to seek or require any contact with the Falkland Islands for me to be engaged fully in my country and with the rest of the world.
The problem is, if someday my country's government does indeed mature and recognizes your freedom of sovereignty or at the very least places an indefinite parenthesis on the matter (for all your accusations and opprobrium towards me by you and all others here based merely on my nationality, which is racism by the way, I actually am on “your” side on the Falklands status), we will still not need you for anything. The question shall be, will you be able to pretend you can exist and be fully integrated to the outside world without acknowledging you need relations with your immediate neighbor.
I read exactly what had to be read; I'm no an idiot that is all. That would be my opinion on one narrow opinion you indited, yet from this you not only seem to extrapolate how all my other views about life must be, but all other argentines? Because you see, you took my one critique of your post and made it out as the definitive guide to all things argentine psyche. Talk about tendencious, prejudicial nonsense (or trolling). :)
You are in the end no better than the gaudy trollers, for calling us whackjobs for no reason except to insult and deride, and for burning your bridges with sensible people on the other side. You are just a more covert one.
Greekyoghurt, my juxtaposition eluded you. Of course polymath stands for the definition you provided. As such, and since most of you only talk about Argentina 24/7, in that little world polymath stands for the fact you all swear to be unbiased experts in all the subjects and fields, disparate or not, of the country (economics, culture, politics, history, women, machos, environment). Trust me I've been in arguments in all those.
The reality is that you are all full of it.
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