Mercosur “needs to be reborn” with an honest integration spirit, says Cardoso
Brazilian former president Fernando Henrique Cardoso said that Mercosur “needs to be reborn but with a real integration spirit among its members” leaving behind such ambitions as the mirror of the European Union.
“Mercosur got stalled at the start and did not advance much, why? Simply because of an over-bloated initial ambition: they were thinking in the EU or something like it and we just managed to agree on barriers, a common external tariff, and that’s all” said Cardoso who ruled Brazil from 1995 to 2003.
“There was no effective integration of capitals, no occupation of the region’s territorial space with investments that could start in one country and continue into others, not even an attempt to create a regional social security fund that would enable labour to move freely”, regretted Cardoso.
Mercosur was launched in 1991 by Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay and Uruguay with the purpose of promoting the free circulation of goods and services among its members. Venezuela is in the process of incorporation while, Chile, Bolivia, Colombia, Peru and Ecuador are associates.
The former president who was one of the lecturers for the Century XXI Council in an event held in Mexico City regretted that Mercosur members with the passing of time have been “locked into to the trade issue”, leaving aside other fields.
“If we really want to reactivate Mercosur we would need a far greater integration effort and not feel satisfied where we stand now”, added Cardoso.
Regarding the current developed countries’ economic hard times, Cardoso said that Latin America overall has managed to overcome the situation in good conditions which he attributed to the experience collected from past crises and taking advantage of globalization.
“High prices for commodities’ exports in most of the region’s countries have helped to put an end to debt problems and accumulate sufficient reserves to face any outside surprises” underlined the former Brazilian leader.
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Argentina took land from its neighbours in numberous wars , civil wars and land grabs - Paraguay, Uraguay, Chile. Today Argentina despite the changed political landscape is still a nation characterised by uber nationalism. The claim to the Falklands was surendered in 1850 but reserected in 1941 by a fascist junta, which inc Peron, they thought their friends the Nazi were going to win the war, the Falklands looked easy picking.
In 1982 Argentina was under the latest succession of a series of fascism military junta's. Their hold on power was looking precarious, in deperation they sort a war, Chile looked like a good victim, they already claimed lots of land and were ignoring the international tribunals that had ruled in Chile's favor. But then they changed their mind and invaded the Falklands. Today the war is romanticized by a nation ruled by a kind of cross between a Neo-Nazi uber nationalist and a Charvesta Revolutionary uber Marxist. The only thing missing is the land reform. Maybe that's for later? But as few natives remain, maybe they'll just ignore their rights... God knows they always have. An entire culture replaced by a European one. Entire languages destroyed.
Timmerman should take time to read about his country's history.
Mercosur is going nowhere with the political setup in Argentina where the inmates are running the asylum.Brazil is going to have to make a choice one day between propping up the loonies in Argentina or getting onboard with the rest of the international community.The EU has already made that point as has the Financial Times.
Argentina needs a good smacking on its national bottom to get back to the real world and I would not be surprised if the one that administers it will be the country that thinks of itself as the regional hegemon;Brazil.
I don't like the government in power, but I like the idea of frienship with enemies in sheep's clothing even less.
First step then will be to kick Argentina out. You'll get no honesty from them.
Mercosur will be gone shortly Brazil will wind it down quickly then sign FTA with USA and EU. The talks have already begun as soon as they are far enough in the break will happen.
This is why you are hearing bits and pieces coming out of unofficial channels right now. So it will be easier for the general population to absorb.
Mercosur has no reason to exist.
If “Mercosur” ex-Argentina signs FTA's with you, Europe or the North Americans, that's their right. I would not be opposed to that. It does not have to break-up Mercosur. The intra-Mercosur agreements can still hold. What would change is that EU/US products would not be allowed entry to Argentina from the other countries without paying tariffs, even though those products may have entered other Mercosur countries tariff-free.
In other words ,there are no having the principal technical informations to establish and move these kinds of vast organizations yet. !..and the Economy can design them not the Law. !
But again if they want to negotiate with you, fine. Good luck to them, there gonna need it.
Argentina will just be sat there. Doing nothing really, except dining on their shoes.
How does it feel not being required?
...and that tower with the big eye is like rosa casada
I will give you credit for original writing. Lord of the Rings is after all the last decent piece of literature to emerge from your society.
Seriously... your book import ban has had you missing all the best things in life.
So you read in 5 languages? Very impressive...
and that includes “true English authors” Twain? Hemmingway?
Gosh, golly and gee your a real bright educated fellow aren't you?
what a laughable risible country Argentine is.
Ever seen UBA, the buildings are literally falling down, there are Marxist signs and graffiti everywhere, no toilet paper or doors in the bathrooms AND THAT IS THE PREMIER UNIVERSITY IN THE COUNTRY!
Your attempts at outwitting failed. I think I made it clear by naming several Spanish LANGUAGE authors that I was reffering to language, not country of origin. Same applied to my list of “ENGLISH language” authors.
I had shifted my comment from British authors to general english language lit, which has been destroyed since the 60s by over commercialism, making what is good or bad impossible to discern.
I'm far more educated than you Chichureo. Not because I am smarter, but because I studied harder and longer than almost all other people.
www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2012/05/137_110558.html
Written by a former member of the Brazilian government and reproduced in Korea of all places.
Being educated and smart are two totally different things as we can all plainly see.
As I have said before if you were so smart you wouldn't be living there. You'd be able to figure out how to get yourself out of that mess and into somewhere civilized.
I am all for studying hard, but that counts for nothing if you do not have the intellect AND an open mind to appreciate WHAT you are doing / reading.
Racism is never a sign of smarts either. Mendoza is very civilized, thanks for your concern. And cleaner than most cities you ever visited. Tupungato is filling up with European and Americans (wealthy ones). They are rich and you are not so they must be smarter (taking the liberty of assuming that is what you believe given your obsession with money), and thus make smart choices. Which must make me smart by default since I chose what they chose.
foro.univision.com/t5/Practicando-en-los-Foros/MDZ/m-p/443362424#axzz1uIGxi2Ea
I agree educated does not equal smart. I only know I am educated, I don't claim to know if I'm smart. I'm not afraid to let others judge that.
Did you conduct a poll on the educational attainment of posters before you made such a sweeping statement? .....or did you just make it up?
Isn't it lovely that you single me out for my announcement without considering the environment in which it occured? Think about it.
So you read Borges. An intelligent man who hated Peronism and left Argentina to live in Switzerland. He would leave again if he were alive today.
The only people that believe that is any one with as warped and turbid mind such as the person making the statement, and most people here qualify as this website attracts fervent argie-haters.
The real world is another matter.
I am firmly middle class. I don't have maids anymore. I used to have them because in the 1990s with the dollar=peso peg even people from Chile came to Argentina as maids, let alone the famous “paraguayan nanny” invasion. The Bolivians pick the crops and the Peruvians mix the cement. THat's not saying Chile is bad, it was just a fact of life. People wanted to earn hard currency and Argentina was the place for that decade.
It is the opinion of you and those that think like you that Argentina “gives” nothing. Check music from tango, to nueva cancion (born in Argentina), to rock en castellano, to electronic music. Check the shelves of any Spanish language bookstore, check your supermarket shelves for cereals and breads; check your cable channels in sports channels, news channels, women's channels...
Check teenager programming shows in Spanish where they come from. Check the movie channels of Spanish language movies where many come from. Check the sports pages for footballers in Europe, for rugby, latin players in the NBA, field hockey, tennis players...
Check the science pages for nuclear medicine, space satellite technology (INVAP), vision technology (here in Mendoza Zaldivar institute), hydro and eolic tecnology (here in Mendoza too IMPSA).
Check the pages of fashion magazines, both the clothes and the fashion models...
Check the wine cellars around the world in the last 10 years how they have changed.
Anyway. No country is perfect much less Argentina.
You misunderstood what I meant by giving. I would not dispute most of what you said above (cable being the exception, there is nothing here on cable from Argentina). All countries produce great people. Soda are one of my favourite all time groups.
They are show all over the world on Disney, Sony Channel, Telefe Int, or Nickolodeon Int, or Cartoon Network in all those countries. You want to hear argies speaking in French, Russian, German, Italian, and English?
Argies Deutschland?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF29Ts2b_yE&feature=relmfu
Argie italiano?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl9XyxOd_2k&feature=relmfu
L'argentine francais?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=50pPFbVseFk
Буремний шлях ???
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXxMnK4d8Dc&feature=related
ISRAEL?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmyCTpUhoXk
And on and on and on...
If there is one thing Argentina is one of the world leaders it is in teen programming and in commercials.
True. Neither does Idol shows or Top gear.
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/100034/policeman-detained-for-killing-a-teenager-in-mendoza
Just to think, with all that £2.99 Tesco malbec swigging going on, and all those trigger happy cops, it must be a fooking nightmare.
It makes sense why you live in your basement talking to maximo on skype.
I like your sharp wit GreekYoghurt.
Loud parties when you are trying to sleep are annoying.
OTOH, innocent brazilian immigrants just walking on a London subway station and being hunted down with two dozen bullets, or a man under custoday “suddenly” being shot leading to massive rioting all over a country, is far less logical.
I'd say those police officers would be adressed as “sir” by now. We know the British attitude for argies.
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/100177/football-players-crime-this-is-obviously-not-the-police-force-we-want-scioli-says
Have they said yet when La Campora are going to be armed? They were supposed to announce it this weekend.
How about finding out the facts before you say anything? It might help titivate your image from utter fool to somewhat foolish.
Mendoza police is very rarely involved in cases like that. Its the first one I remember in a while. We don't have the social street protests in Mendoza like in other parts of the country, in fact they never happen.
I don't know if La Campora is armed. I know your flat is probably reading to go with some good SAMs and patriot missiles above your head. I hope you don't live in the last floor... might get a little singed when the Olympic bombing season starts.
You're not Argentine !
You're trapped yourself by idle chatting !
Nonone can comment beginning in 03: 10 am until 06: 19 pm GMT from South America !
To be educated and to be smart are not same things.!.you're not clever..
6:19GMT? Darn you are a lazy lazy sloth. I never wake up at 2:19 in the afternoon... I'm done with studeis by then.
You actually thought you were invited here? Only cosmopolitan Europeans allowed, meaning only those from the mainland, and Ireland. Scotts can be an exception.
There ARE some very good authors post 1960 AD...
First: I never said I had a better education than anyone else at this site, but there are several posters we can all agree are in competition for who's the worst educated...
Second: An English author vs. an author in English can be confusing.
Your quote was “...plus true English authors that had to EARN their success like Twain, Shakespeare, Hemmingway, Wells, or Huxley”
...Then I asked if you read in 5 languages...
Third, Max is Guzz, one of the contestants for dumber and dumbest...
Anyway, you are certainly not poorly educated, just poorly informed on certain geographical subjects...
See, I'm starting to do it again... using fustian language. I will cease now.
Lol, yeah, the ones you were watching and made you brain dead.
That was supposed to be a thoughtful response? Bless you.
Which means I have mor gold than you. Sorry.
Like this memorable bit of propaganda for kids: (www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Eh1B4a-RMA)
I guess according to the Argtards, If you're going to ruin people's minds, you better start young. Something they got from their SS parents.
You can see why The Mad Bitch thinks they are creative when you look at this video.
No wonder the young Malvinistas think as they do with this poison being dribbled into their mind every day. Difficult to see, as adults, how they can ever accept the truth or reality from here.
Had to chuckle at the old Mirage though.
You are to be pittied there, Greek.
Wow, that is scary!
Thank you for that Greek you have shed new light on this for me. I had no idea the brainwashing was that extreme.
I knew they brainwashed their kids like we do here in Chile to some extent but that is ridiculous. Here in Chile as a child, like all school children, on the 21st of May we have to march to a military band, saluting the flag in honour of the battle of Iquique. And we are also taught that Antarctica belongs to us.
Where can you begin with that video?? That the British army didn’t have night vision in 1982? That no aircraft carrier was hit? Do the Argies really not know that a numerically inferior force routed them in very little time? The facts and lessons from the Falklands war are taught in military academies from Chile to China and I am pretty sure they are not swatting up on Argentine military competence.
Argies, the Brits had 24 harriers at the start of the war and I think they had 23 at the end. The Arg air force was decimated (approx 60 planes lost). The Argie land troops were routed and the navy fled. Why would you not teach the facts? I am not saying don’t celebrate acts of heroism, but don’t teach children rubbish. After this war every sensible country in the world scrapped conscript armies as they realized cold war planning was lacking if the British could this with 6 battalions (that’s 3000 men) and no strategic bombers at the other side of the world.
This is a bit like the Japanese denial. The Germans teach their children what happened in WW2, as a result they have moved on and get on fine with their neighbours. The Japs on the other hand teach lies to their children and as a result constantly bicker with S.Korea and China. This seems to be the Argentinean way.
This war was not about sovereignty, it was about Argentina’s ambition. The Arg high command have admitted that after the Falklands they were going for the south of Chile. They would now be inventing nursery songs about how the Chileans had usurped Tierra d
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