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Mrs. Kirchner’s Malvinas Veteran Day message from London
On the 27th anniversary of the Argentine landing in Falklands/Malvinas, which triggered the South Atlantic conflict in 1982, the Argentine government will commemorate Thursday April 2 the Day of the Veteran and the Fallen in the Malvinas War. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesHere in Ushuaia & rest of Argentina we celebrate the Malvinas Day. Our President Cristina Kirchner,will celebrate it in London to the World.
Apr 02nd, 2009 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Malvinas Anthem says:
“Tras su manto de neblinas
no las hemos de olvidar
”Las Malvinas Argentinas“
clama el viento y ruge el mar.
Ni de aquellos horizontes
nuestra enseña han de arrancar,
pues su blanco está en los montes
y en su azul se tiñe el mar.
Por ausente, por vencido
baja estraño pabellón
ningún suelo más querido,
de la Patria en la extensión.
Rompa el manto de neblinas
como un sol nuestro ideal,
Las Malvinas Argentinas,
en dominio ya inmortal.
Y ante el sol de nuestro emblema
pura, nítida y triunfal
brille, ¡Oh Patria! en tu diadema
la perdida perla austral.
Para honor de nuestro emblema,
para orgullo nacional,
brille, ¡Oh Patria! en tu diadema
la perdida perla austral.”
I m sorry for the comment of 1-Juan. The lack of education and respect are sad badges of the Argentinians. My condolences and respect for the dead men in so absurd war. I understand and sorry about the reason of that do not want to be Argentinians. I was in Port Stanley in 1981, you have a beautiful home. My respects.
Apr 03rd, 2009 - 02:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Im sorry for the comment of Rick. His lack of education and respect is a sad bagde for british. In this day we conmemorate the recovery of our land, in this day we honor those men who gave their lives to recover our islands in an absurd war. the malvinas anthem only says that we will never forget malvinas, is not disrespectful at all, British use its armed forces to sustain sovereignty, we just use a song and diplomacy.
Apr 03rd, 2009 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Luis.
Apr 05th, 2009 - 03:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0...“we just use a song and diplomacy”
Are you suggesting that on the 2nd of April 1982 Argentina engaged in diplomacy?
Justin, perhaps you could use diplomacy too, but would iraq gives you their oil without bombes?, may be not. would the british give us our islands without bombes? let's try again with diplomacy.
Apr 09th, 2009 - 06:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Esta marcha es fruto de una selección de un concurso realizado en 1939 por la Junta de Recuperación de las Malvinas donde se eligió a la mejor composición poético-musical. En esa oportunidad el trabajo escogido fue la composición de José Tieri con letra de Carlos Obligado. Desde entonces esta marcha se canta en los actos celebratorios y reclamatorios de los Derechos Soberanos sobre las Islas Malvinas.
Apr 10th, 2009 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0er.... not forgetting the chorus....
Para honor de nuestro emblema
para orgullo nacional,
brille !oh Patria!, en tu diadema
la PERDIDA PARA SIEMPRE perla austral.
This mean lost forever of course... very appropriate.
One would have expected that this would have been written in 1833, it is amazing that it took 106 years for you lot to get your act together to write such nonsense. It clearly does not come from the heart but from the propaganda machine given its very late appearance.
This is just like the transitional 'Malvinas' clause added to the constitution in 1994. Why was that not in the 1853 constitution? Only just thought of it..well that’s a surprise.
All these new elements to the Argentine claim to the Falklands originate from the 1930's invention of the Malvinas Myth which are intended to brainwash the population into believing a pack of lies originating from Palacios and his equally mad cronies who saw themselves as some sort of New Conquistadores but in the Mussolini and Hitler mode of the time. We should bury these people and their crazy ideas and not let then disturb out peace from their graves as people like Luis Barone try to do now.
The people of the Falklands and Argentina should be friends in the normal way as between two separate entities but not in the way dictated by all this fascist nationalistic nonsense.
what makes you believe you are a separated entity from the uk?.
Apr 11th, 2009 - 04:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0At least i give my name.
Rick I know I have a beautiful home (Ushuaia) it is the Capital of Tierra del Fuego, Antarctica & South Atlantic Islands. The Capital of Malvinas. My city gives more possibilities of education & democracy sistem than Stanley in the occupied Malvinas, Argentina worries for the cities of the South Patagonia, UK did not develop in the Malvinas, there are only 2000 kelpers.
Apr 13th, 2009 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Luis gracias por el apoyo, tenemos la suerte de no vivir en una colonia inglesa, esta gente es muy resentida, tarde o temprano abandonaran las islas. Un abrazo!.
I'm sorry Luis, but we are talking about the Falkand Islands here. How does Iraq have anything to do with this?
Apr 13th, 2009 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hola Nitrojuan. I'm very glad you are proud of your city Ushuaia. It was founded in 1869 by a Brit called Waite Stirling - the Bishop of the Falkland Islands - I'm sure you know this already.
Apr 13th, 2009 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't understand why you think Ushuaia is the capital of the Falkland Islands - it is actually (as in “en realidad” not “actualmente”) called Stanley and has been the true capital of the Falkland Islands since 1845 - that's a whole 24 years before Ushuaia was founded.
The educational possibilities in Ushuaia might be fantastic, and I'm sure you were taught to question everything and form your own opinions. I'm sure you learnt that democracy in the Falkand Islands has had a more consistent and uninterrupted history than it has in Argentina.
The Falkland Islands are a self governing Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom, certainly not a “colonia inglesa”. All you've done with that statement is insult the Scots, the Welsh and the Irish.
As for Kelpers being resentful, you are correct. They very much resent their treatment by Argentina.
Justin:
Apr 14th, 2009 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Acording to the United Nations malvinas islands continue to be a non-self-governing territories.
In the webpage of the fourth committee on decolonization there are two maps, one of 1945 showing all non-self-governing territories at the time, the other is an actual map of non-self-governing territories.
1945:
http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/map/profile/world45.pdf
today:
http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/map/profile/world45.pdf
May be United Nations decolonization committee is wrong in assuming malvinas islands to be a colony, but the great britain had included the islands as a colony on this committe in the past.
Islanders cannot resent their treatment by Argentina thats a lie, anytime they came to Argentina they were well treated so their fears are unfounded, even one of them came here to play for Boca Junior, one of our futbol teams. About their status, they cant expect we recognize them as a neighbor becouse they arent.
we cannot say its ok you invaded us in 1833 and kept us aside of living there peacefully to maintains your “britishness”.
that's not gonna happen. they are not even an originate population so as most of them were born in the uk or common wealth members with the obvious wish to remain british.
So stop with ilusions malvina's inhabitants are not a self-governing territorie and they are not an originate population, they are a colony maintained by its military power and if the uk think otherwise they should apply to resolution 2065 of the special committe on decolonization.
Correction: in line 11 i said “May be United Nations decolonization committee is wrong in assuming malvinas islands to be a colony” i meant “may be for you.....”
Apr 14th, 2009 - 03:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hi Luis, Let's take one thing and a time.
Apr 14th, 2009 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You did not answer my question, so I will ask it again.
What relevance does Iraq have to the Falkland Islands?
Justin, in response to your question malvinas and iraq are both occupied illegally by the same nation. Its the only thing in common but its a good point to refresh malvinas was not an old empire piracy like many brits think its a policy that continued from 1833. Else iraq shows there is no axis of evil.
Apr 15th, 2009 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0To “legally” invade iraq the allies argued that iraq was Infringing 20 resolutions of the security council while Israel was Infringing 32 resolution of the same organism and was not invaded.
So you are shocked for our “agresive” Behavior to malvina's inhabitants of not letting them to be our neighbors, but you dont get shocked to invade an entire nation without proof acting like your old empire centuries ago.
About malvinas nomatter what its inhabitants say or what you feel, they are a colony, and the United Nations recognize them as such. why should Argentina recognize them as anything else?.
Luis,
Apr 15th, 2009 - 05:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0I assume you are talking about the 2003 invasion of Iraq? If you are I can't see the parallels between an international coalition occupying Iraq to rid it of a dictatorship and the situation in the Falkland Islands. In Iraq the UK was one of several countries (including Spain, who arguably have a stronger claim on the Falkland Islands than Argentina). Not exactly “old empire piracy”.
I agree the legitimacy of the Iraq invasion is in question, but that does not necessarily make it illegal (not yet at least - that is something for historians to debate over). As much as I try, I can't see the relevance of the Iraq Invasion's legitimacy to the Falkland Islands.
As for infringement of UN Resolutions I think you have touched on something very relevant to the Falkland Islands and all I can suggest is: see UN Security Council Resolution 502 (1982) and ask yourself if that was complied with? Many countries, including Argentina, have ignored UN resolutions when it suits them. Nothing new or surprising there.
Actually, what the Falkland Islanders have to say does matter. It matters more than anything else, including Argentina's claims. No matter how you look at it, self determination is the most important factor in the whole Falkland Islands equation.
what? did the uk invaded iraq more than once??? when ??? was it in the empire era???. Just joking.
Apr 15th, 2009 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Look justin no matter how many nations participated in the invasion, the united kingdom is responsable and if there is a dictatorship there, it does not mean you can go there, invade them, and steal its natural resources. And its lie you did not invaded iraq to remove saddam hussein, if i remember correctly, the us and the uk told the world that iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that they were conected to al qaeda. Iraq's infringment of 20 resolution was about weapon's control not about dictatorship.
Legitimacy is not a job for historian Justin, you cant make a war and wait historians make the war legitimate. it is or it isnt.
About resolution 502 was a resolution to stop war. Both ARGENTINA AND THE UNITED KINGDOM did not complied with resolution 502. None of both are legitimated by security council becouse for the united nation malvinas islands sovereignty are in dispute.
And i agree security council did not legitimate our junta or thatcher to the use of military force in those islands but we gave diplomacy 150 years to settle this dispute with diplomacy with no success.
british source of resolution 502:
http://www.falklands.info/history/resolution502.html
About malvinas inhabitants, i hoped for you to denie all my comments about their colony status.Anyway as i explained before, its wishes are not paramount on this matter. For example if they were, most of them, born in Argentina, their wish will be to be Argentines. If most of them were born in the uk or other british overseas territorie its wishes will be to be british. Giving selfdetermination to islanders is legitimating an act of piracy that date back to 176 years before.
Yes, more than once... 1941 and 1990. I don't think the UK or anyone else is “stealing” Iraqi natural resources (protecting access maybe, but not stealing). I agree with you about the weapons of mass destruction but it was not just about the weapons, the casus belli was more complex than that and that is why legitimacy will be a job for historians. There are a lot of reasons why the invasion was right and a lot of reasons why it was wrong (from a legal - and moral - point of view). You still have not convinced me that the Iraq Invasion has any parallels with the Falkland Islands situation.
Apr 15th, 2009 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for UN resolutions - like I said - many countries ignore them if it suits them. It may be right, it may be wrong but it happens quite regularly in fact.
I'm sorry, but you are wrong about the Falkland Islanders wishes - where they were born makes no difference at all. Their wishes are paramount. Whatever the history (and the facts prove that Argentina's claim is very weak) for moral and just reasons their self determination must trump everything else.
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