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First man on the moon on Falklands cruise next November
The legendary astronaut Neil Armstrong who landed on the moon 40 years ago, is set to visit the Falkland Islands this coming cruise season. The pioneer who took that first “small step for man” will be aboard the National Geographic Explorer for a 21-day cruise to South Georgia, the Falkland Islands and Antarctica in November. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWelcome Neil to Malvinas, South Georgias & Antarctica, Welcome to Argentina! Now I can fly to Malvinas too using the LAN miles, where in LAN.COM publish South Argentina (Bariloche, Comodoro Rivadavia, El Calafate, RIo Gallegos, Ushuaia, Mount Pleasant). Thank you LAN for this oportunitty and to recognice Malvinas part of Argentina. http://www.lan.com/lanpass/canjee_kms/tabla_premios-es-ar.html#canje_pasajes
Aug 06th, 2009 - 05:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Never let an opportunity pass by for a big nation like Argentina to belittle and humiliate a small island community in pursuit of an illogical irredentist claim. How very grown up of you.
Aug 07th, 2009 - 04:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not at all, Justin it is a claim with foundation where UK humiliate a nation shamelessly of its sovereignty, it doesn`t be matter with the small community in the island. Its be matter of principles.
Aug 07th, 2009 - 05:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's strange that most of the world isn't aware of Argentina nationalism. I mean, many people don't even think about Argentina, and the majority of them probably think they wouldn't care about small islands started by a dictatorship to make the people forget about their problems. I don't see the point in a life where all you can do hate another country over claims over an islands, while said country continues to have serious problems that no one pays attention to.
Aug 07th, 2009 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CWC, Who said we hate islanders? or british?. Did we ever said that?. We dont want them in our territory but we dont hate them.
Aug 07th, 2009 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should ask islanders if they were treated badly in Argentina, im sure you would be surprised.
God Nitrojuan, how much time did it take you to find that tiny little “diplomatic coup”? Do you spend your nights trawling the internet looking for stuff like that?
Aug 08th, 2009 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Congratulations, anyway, you must be very pleased: LAN Chile thinks Mount Pleasant is in Argentina. I wonder how long it will take for the rest of the world's airlines to fall in line?
“We dont want them in our territory but we dont hate them”
Aug 08th, 2009 - 03:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0What you actually mean is that you'd happily boot them out of their homes. Thats complete and utter hypocrisy. Its precisely that attitude that is responsible for the Falklander's attitudes; but of course it won't be Argentina's fault in the slightest.
And as to Nitrojuan, Britain did nothing to humiliate Argentina, Argentina attempted to humiliate Britain with the resort to military force assuming a democratic Britain was weak and wouldn't respond. A “matter of principle” to humiliate at every opportunity a small island community, really your justifications for your behaviour are to be frank childish and pathetic.
Luis, I am delighted to know that I do not live in Argentina anymore? You say ask us we are ever treated badly in Argentina- well no not in your country I agree, but here in our Islands,Argentina continues to threaten and bully us from the outside as you well know. As for Lan miles - yes I have used Lan miles earned on Lan Argentina in your country to fly to England on LanChile from here- who cares - its all part of Lan International .
Aug 08th, 2009 - 04:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Justin, Islander, let me put it this way, Argentina dont want to expell the inhabitants, never actually said the end of negotiations should be to expell them, dont be so dramatic, all Argentina wants is that argentine rights over malvinas be recognized. Having said that and having you clear in your heads that Argentina never proposed or insinuated to expell the inhabitants, i must say that those british that want to be governer by britain and maintain inmigration restrictions are not welcomed, but not hated in Argentina.
Aug 08th, 2009 - 05:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Islander i asume you know what i meant, you live on Argentina's territory but from your point of view you live in another country.
I wont comment on the falklands/malvinas argument as I am from New Zealand. But Over the last 12 years a large argentine community has arived in Auckland my home town. They are very nationalistic and anti anglo saxon.
Aug 08th, 2009 - 06:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Many have called to have the union flag removed from our flag as they see it insulting and not representative of the new New Zealand and many have joined the kiwi republic movement based on sentiment of anglophobia. There was a small protest in Aotea square in the city of about 16 argentine expats calling for the liberation of malvinas.
I am a 7th generation british kiwi. I have no opinion on Falklands/Malvinas so please stop insulting my country and countrymen in New Zealand and show respect to the nation that has allowed you to migrate and start again in a developed peacefull egalaterian 1st world country.
Cheers.
Colonialkiwi, im not going to defend Argentine people living in NZ, but i think that you should complaint to them instead of us, dont you agree?. Besides i dont see whats your point, i mean, is it wrong to protest in public?. If they are against the law, i underestand, put them on jail , but if they protest peacefully, whats the big deal about it?.
Aug 08th, 2009 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think if that Argentine community is anti anglo saxon like you said they are in the wrong place but as long as they keep under the NZ law they have their rights.
I remember a couple of years ago, 3 british turist stolen and destroyed an argentine flag in Usuahia(against the law) and they were sended to jail and had a trial, so if this kind of acts happens in NZ i hope the same faith for them.
About your last comments when you show proudly your status of 1st world country, i contratulate you, you must be very very proud.
luis. I am commenting because I randomly saw this article about cruise ships to falklands/malvinas. Looking into arguments about it I noticed strong argentine nationalism. My country was multi-cultural free until 1991 when the migration act was changed so that people were accepted based on skills rather than cultural background british, irish e.t.c.
Aug 08th, 2009 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Recently masses of argentines and brazilians have flood into new zealand and are complaining about the kiwi flag and our affiliation to the british monarchy and pakeha and maori are also concerned as to why argentinians would want to migrate to new zealand and complain about our flag background and heritage. Luis you have legitimate rights to claim malvinas but your countryman in my country need to be tcb. That is a colonial term in nz for takin care of business. Are there kiwis in argentina and why do your countryman come to my country. How come australia and new zealand with small one british populations are peacefull an prosperus and violence and corruption free. Well once you let bad dogs into the pound mayhem reigns supreme.
You can have malvinas luis but latin people must leave anglo nations as we are the saxons and everyone wants to be like us. Why is argentina corrupt and irrational in fact so are italians and spaniards and eastern europeans infact every nation british people colonised turned to gold and you should look into that. Los Puma play like cowards.
wacokiwi....jajajajajaja....are you crazy???
Aug 08th, 2009 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Luis,
Aug 08th, 2009 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has no rights over the Falkland Islands. There is nothing to be recognised...
Without doing the name calling of Billy, most ex-colonies of the UK have on the average turned out much better than ex-colonies of Spain, Portugal, France and Italy. About the only exception to the rule is Zibabwe...
Aug 08th, 2009 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very strange to hear the words, “is it wrong to protest in public?”. Let us remember that during the last 30 years, to protest in the streets of BsAs would have bought about your dissapearence and a swim in the River Plate! I have never know a group of people to re-write history so often to suit there countries needs. Why can people not live and let live!!!
Aug 08th, 2009 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Luis, it seems to may who have been reading what you have said is disagreeing, fair enough for freedom of speech but have you ever set foot onto the islands??? no i didnt think so. maybe if you spoke to a few more of the islanders they resent the fact that your country made many lives stressfull for the civilians and those who protected them, how do i know this? simply because i am a falkland islander, never have i or my family considered myself when on the islands, on argey soil that day will never happen. So get over it as its an arguement you or you fellow country men you still think thier right to go back and cause another war will ever win.
Aug 10th, 2009 - 02:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0FB, the same freedom of speech is what allows me to abstain from reply comments like,“” my country is better than yours because we are first world and anglo saxon“” or having to respond comments like of jj that believes we still live under a dictatorship that happened 30 years ago.
Aug 10th, 2009 - 03:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0So if we start from that point, you want me to agree with it?, do you agree with it?.
Tell me did Argentina wanted to expell islander? when? how?.
Did islanders were expelled or bad treated in mainland Argentina?.
So your stressfull lives are due to the status quo, maintained not by historic rights on those islands, but of a military force and a claim of selfdetermination, which not only does not apply in this case where territorial integrity is at stake but it works for excuse of Great Britain for not having to talk about history.
And no, i never set foot on the islands, but i tell you what, i am willing to let british to stamp my passport, if you recommend me for permanent residence, and let me buy a land there, without having to lose Argentine citzenship, is that possible for you? if you do give me right away your phone and dont worry about money its a little expensive there but i want my little ranch, and may be i can call it vernet's ranch.
Did Argentina expel islanders?
Aug 10th, 2009 - 04:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well yes they did actually. Bill Luxton and his entire family were unceremoniously deported for holding unpopular political views. Similarly David Colville was among residents in the islands unceremoniously deported. When that proved internationally embarassing they instead resorted to internal exile at Fox Ba, where islanders were subjected to threats of execution. I suppose some may say they were lucky since the regime at the time had the habit of throwing its opponents out of the back of planes without a parachute.
Were they badly treated on the mainland. Actually again yes they were, try reading David Colville's story for an example. Have islanders been badly treated? Yes on occasion and the advice is generally to avoid conversations about where they're from.
And it is possible to get a residence permit on the Falklands and remain an Argentine citizen, nothing to stop you. Equally there is nothing to stop you visiting, where you can explain to their faces why they have no rights in the land of their birth.
And again Luis, Britain's only concern is that the islanders determine their own future. If they wish to become part of Argentina, then the British will have no problem with that - their choice.
Britain only maintains a garrison because of the actions of your country and its continued threat to the Falklands. Before 1982 they maintained a garrison of only 40 Royal Marines as part of NP 8901, before 1965 there wasn't even that.
Nor do the British feel the need to re-write history as you do, nor do they ignore first hand accounts of events that contradict the official Argentine Government propaganda. Luis, had you an open mind you might consider the fact that your country's claim includes lies and that there is a ready explanation for the origin of the dispute. But no, you deny the basic facts.
You also claim not to hate the islanders but are happy to turn round and say they have no place in the islands. The two statements are an obvious contradiction.
I am Back and have spent all day sunday studying the falklands history. Well guess what argentina have no rightfull claim to them. I read about louis vernets british approved settlement but had to ask the british in ba for permission. I read about 1833 and earliar. The islands are british.
Aug 10th, 2009 - 08:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0FFFF=falklands forever,forever falklands. We are the saxons luis and the world belongs to us you diego slimey wog.
Justin, come on,be serious, those events you mention with David Colville and Bill Luxton happened in a war situation. David colville was found painting in walls against Argentina, and Bill Luxton was else found insulting militaries and protesting military instructions. They admited it.
Aug 10th, 2009 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Without wanting to defend the undefendible military junta there were 3 civilian killed on the war, and they were killed by your militaries not ours.
Justin, britain along all this time maintain a 90% of the population of british origin, and people originated from mainland(Argentina, Brasil, Uruguay, etc...) does not represent even a 25% of population on the islands. We have more inhabitants in the most southest base General Belgrano II in the Antartic continent than in malvinas.
To pretend to justify this historic absence like if people in the continent refused to reside in malvinas for the bad weather is an insult to history.
Read again the UN list you are still a colony, not a separate entity from britain.
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonization/trust3.htm
2800 kelps
Aug 10th, 2009 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 029 arg +-1% total
40.000.000 500kms distance
TDF 120.000 FKL 2800
Aug 10th, 2009 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0USH 60.000 PST 2500
both south atlantic islands and south atlantic cities with similar resources.
in luis´s onu list falklands is third with less population & third with more territory.
Aug 10th, 2009 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0a colonial link is not compatible in the region of the south atlantic republics.
Aug 10th, 2009 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0NO more colonial link with london.
free falklands.
@Luis
Aug 10th, 2009 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0David Colville and Bill Luxton were quite within their rights to do what they did. Their expulsion was illegal, war situation or not. The invasion was illegal so there was absolutely no obligation for either David or Bill to follow instructions from the illegal Argentine forces.
In one breath you say you don't want to defend an indefensible Junta and in the next you are defending that Junta's actions. Don't you think that looks just a little bit schizophrenic?
@Luis
Aug 10th, 2009 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Many thanks for quoting the UN list of Non-Self-Governing Territories, also known as the C24 list. I assume this means you agree the Falkland Islands should be on this list?
Because if you do agree, then you must accept that UN General Assembly Resolution 1514 (1960), to which Argentina was a party, is applicable to the Falkland Islands?
In clause 5 of the declaration in Resolution 1514 it says this:
“Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.”
So, the Falkland Islanders, as the “peoples of” of the Falkland Islands, have the right to the transfer of power “without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire”. It is up to the Falkland Islanders (and not Argentina) to decide what happens to the Falkland Islands.
Now before you go rushing to clause 6 of the declaration in defence of Argentina's territorial integrity make sure you read it carefully. It says:
“Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.”
The key word is “aimed”. This refers to a future action. In other words an attempt to disrupt the territorial integrity of a territory whilst it is undergoing decolonisation. This has nothing to do with Argentina's territorial integrity, since Argentina is not undergoing decolonisation, otherwise Argentina would be on the C24 list and not the Falkland Islands.
The outcome to decolonisation is made clear in Resolution 1541 (1960), where under Principle VI the three acceptable outcomes are given as: Independence, Free Association or Integration.
Integration with Argentina is not the ONLY possible outcome. It is up to the Falkland Islanders to decide what they want.
J.A. Roberts, im not contradicting myself, it is you who victimized yourself. You guys claim we discriminate islanders, that we hate them, that we treat them badly, that we want to expell them. Sooner i will not be sorprised to hear that one of them has dissapeared and they are gonna blame us for all.
Aug 10th, 2009 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0when you said:“”In one breath you say you don't want to defend an indefensible Junta and in the next you are defending that Junta's actions. Don't you think that looks just a little bit schizophrenic? “”
About the military junta, they killed 30.000 people from mainland Argentina, waged a war with kids, sended to die, burned the economy, but above all those terrible things, in malvinas war they took care of civilian to avoid casualties, so in a military regime in a war situations instead of torture islanders for painting a wall or desobey instructions, they were both Bill and David expelled.
I want to know if britain take the same attitude to iraq's civilians. I dont think so. How many civilians died becouse of british bombs?, How many civilians are beign tortured or killed now in democracy by the United Kingdom?, How are you going to denie torture (apply by our military junta 30 years ago) apply in iraq if i show you the links?
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/may2004/tort-m08.shtml
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/may2004/tort-m08.shtml
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/may2004/tort-m08.shtml
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/may2004/tort-m08.shtml
You should clear your head, i dont defend a dictatorship, never did. Stop to victimized.
I'm sorry, did I mention Iraq? This is about the Falkland Islands. If you want to discuss Iraq, I'm sure there is a forum for that.
Aug 10th, 2009 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fact is, Argentina does discriminate against the Islanders, in the past and today. Does Argentina hate the Islanders? I don't know, but Argentina certainly behaves as if it does. Does Argentina treat them badly? Yes, of course. Argentina does not let a single opportunity pass to trample all over their rights, lie and actively work against them; disrupting things like communications and their economy.
And, then on top of that you continue to defend the indefensible. Bill and David were expelled, but that's OK because no-one was killed or tortured.
My head is very clear thank you very much, and I have no idea how I would even start victimizing myself?
Luis,
Aug 11th, 2009 - 05:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah I see you're as careful as ever in selecting whatever nonsense re-inforces your prejudices. I would suggest you indulge in a little more due dilligence in your research. The torture allegations and pictures you refer to were actually faked. Quite a scandal at the time, they were faked by some soldiers in the UK to sell to gullible reporters who were offering big cash sums for any evidence of British inappropriate behaviour. The editor, Piers Morgan, ended up with egg on his face after they were exposed as fakes - after splasing the big headlines you referred to. So I don't actually need to deny anything.
As to the rest, I don't think I need to add anything, J.A. Roberts effectively rebutted your usual diatribes. You were the one defending the indefensible - again.
Impossible to debate. Im glad things works for you, believing all your government tells you to believe.
Aug 11th, 2009 - 08:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0cheers.
Luis,
Aug 11th, 2009 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Believing all our government tells us to believe? Actually, if you took some time to research it, you would know that all the major UK newspapers - of all political persuasions - have always challenged the British Government about “what they tell us to believe”. I can ever see the Argentine press doing that.
Anyway, the “”Malvinas Argentinas“ lobby in Argentina have been buying into ”what the government tells them to believe” for decades.
Ah Luis, typical you don't even have the good grace to be embarassed when you make an utter prat of yourself. Take 5 minutes to check the story out and you'll find its a fake.
Aug 12th, 2009 - 05:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0And the British press reports what they want, certainly it bears no relation to what the British Government would like. You really shouldn't judge others by your own standards or the standards of Argentina's friend Senor Chavez. I'm glad to see that other members of Mercosur stood up and stopped those ridiculous restrictions on press freedom he was so keen on. Nice to see Chile, Uruguay and Brazil opposed them. What was Argentina's position?
Are we all forgetting what this was originally about? This post was about how the legendary Neil Armstrong is going to be visiting not only the Falkland Islands but South Georgia and Antartica onboard a cruise vessel.
Aug 17th, 2009 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can we kindly take this argument somewhere else and leave posts to be about Neil Armstrong, I think he deserves more than that!
Hope you have an amazing cruise Mr Armstrong and enjoy yourself immensly.
JaJa?
Aug 19th, 2009 - 04:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're indeed correct but never underestimate our Argentine friends ability to make a mountain out of a mole hill on any subject related to the Falklands.
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