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Argentina protests world-map circulating in Bolivia with the Malvinas as British
The Argentine embassy in Bolivia officially protested, and demanded the immediate withdrawal of a National Geographic world-map circulating among the Bolivian Chamber of Customs agents and where the Malvinas Islands figure “with a colour different to that identifying Argentina”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesIt is incredible that things like that happens in XXI century, using the fantasy name of our islands. But from Bolivia everything could happen.
Nov 18th, 2009 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nitrojuan. I think this headline and story answers your concerns. The Falklands does belong to the Falkland Islanders and are British and incredibly grateful to be protected by the British Forces (best in the world). Reality is, it is only the Argentina Government and some Argentines still brainwashed from the unfortunate history lessons they endured that believe otherwise. Maybe you need to leave Argentina and experience something of the rest of the World.
Nov 18th, 2009 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nitrojuan, it shows up the total obsession and pathetic childish immature attitude of the Arg Government with something they will never get. Once again the rattle is thrown from the baby,s pram in a temper and she cries. As for imprescriptible.
Nov 18th, 2009 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is a country that doesn't pay the debts!!!
Nov 18th, 2009 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The world despises the Argentinians!!!
Seems that Mercopress has gone a bit too far this time in its anti Argentina crusade! Hope this comment is NOT deleted
Nov 18th, 2009 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina may not be paying its debts due to financial crisis that the UK and the British on the islands are also facing. However, Argentina doesn't stick to colonialism, as the UK is by sustaining this artificial so-called “Britishness” on the Malvinas. Islanders, come on, it is your hatred that won't let you leave in the peace you claim!
Nov 18th, 2009 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wuzzie, it's not only Argentina and the Argentine who claim what they claim. Have you ever heard of the United Nations? Sorry to tell you, but I'm afraid you don´t have the case you THINK you have, and not because I'm a “brainwashed” man, maybe it's the other way around. In any case, I wouldn't put the blame on you as propaganda has dangerours side effects.
Nov 18th, 2009 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it sort of confirms that the rest of SA does not have the issue of the Falklands high on their agenda. However, not just something that Bolivia ends up doing...I remember Argentina issuing 30 thousand schoolbooks (in Salta) with maps of the Falklands depicted as British territory only a few years ago.
Nov 18th, 2009 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ROTFLMAO
Nov 18th, 2009 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Newsflash to our Argentine contributors. The UN DOES NOT endorse Argentina's sovereignty claim. UN resolutions do not require Britain to give the islands to Argentina. Argentina's claim is a pile of festering dingo's kidneys.
And in addition to jojo's comments, remember the Argentine maps that kicked the Argentina claim to the Beagle Channel islands squarely in the nuts? They also show the Falklands as British.
Hatred? The only hatred I ever see or hear, is the Argentine hatred directed toward the Falkland Islanders.
Ooops.
And we have our new submarine comming soon. Hows the Belgrano these days.
Nov 18th, 2009 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just a note:
Nov 18th, 2009 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The English name of the islands is “[The] Falkland Islands”. This name dates from 1690 when John Strong, who led an expedition to the islands, named the channel between the two main islands after his patron, Anthony Cary, 5th Viscount Falkland. The Spanish name for the islands, “Islas Malvinas”, is derived from the French name “Îles Malouines”, after the mariners and fishermen from the Breton port of Saint-Malo who were the island's FIRST KNOWN SETTLERS, and bestowed on the islands by Louis Antoine de Bougainville in 1764.
Thus these islands are French!
And I wonder how long it will be before the Argentine ambassador in Uruguay complains to Uruguay about Mercopress reporting. It seems they go to any length to twart the truth.
Nov 19th, 2009 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wuzzie, nobody have washed my minds, I have a degree in International Commerce & Relationship. In Arg. we have the best education in Latin America and Arg. is a free country not like UK Falkland Dictatorship than wash the short islanders minds.
Nov 19th, 2009 - 01:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hak: ... and French sold the islands to Spain and then To Argentina for Heritage, It is easy to the world comprehension but more difficult for kelpers understand.
So the UN doesn't support Argentina's position? Interesting view indeed as the UK denies the very existence of the sovereingty dispute that the UN keeps on acknowledging to date! And nothing on the British islanders' so-called “wishes”... Brainwashing perhaps?
Nov 19th, 2009 - 03:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jajaja. Some day islanders will understand. They will be the last to convince themselves, but it will happen one day! Hopefully new generations without irrational and ridiculous fears about argentina will do the job. I'm not gonna fight here anymore. It is useless with the current islanders generation. I'm only gonna post my opinions.
Nov 19th, 2009 - 07:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cheers.
Can´t agree more with Jorge! There's no choice to the current islander population than to stick to British colonial policies to seek to guarantee their current status, but the world is advancing in a different direction and the British stance can't be sustained for good.
Nov 19th, 2009 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are right the world is advancing just like the Falkland Islands are. But it is Argentina who is stuck in the past, stuck in a rut that she can not get out off, and jorgie porgie no genaration of ours will ever adopt your twisted way of thinking.
Nov 19th, 2009 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0RULE BRITANNIA RULE BRITANNIA.
In Arg. we have the best education in Latin America..
Nov 19th, 2009 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lol..Really? You're free education is that great where they can't read and understand “Falklands, it's British, get over it and pay your debts”? Typical Argie illusions to keep them self high in the mind, while in reality their educational system is a complete nightmare, Gee why? No funding? We all know the answer. it's so sad to see a country destroying it's self about something what is not theirs (The Falkland Islands) and it's so sad to read that Argies still can't understand that their country is broke and it's getting itself deeper in a hole, thanks to their own crazy stuck in the past methods and lies. Oh well, actually they we all should encourage them to stay like that. Why? One day they will have the chance to see the light, again (first time was, remember December 14 2001), as usual when it's to late. If not, my god, then they are really stupid. I think the Islanders should build a Disney Land to receive more american tourism :).
Argentine guys,
Nov 19th, 2009 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0do you see what I was talking about in my previous comment? It is useless. People like Khh and nicholass have their brain burnt. We have to concentrate in our economics and politics. We grew up to 9 % during six years. That is a record in our economy. At the same time not to give up a bit about our claim. We don't need this people to grow and solve our problems. Just let them build its disney world park LOL! They don't even have money to pave their roads! Please!!!
Cheers.
Recognising a sovereignty dispute is not UN support for Argentina's position. Perverting UN resolutions to make such a claim we leave to Argentina and its desperate attempt to push an illogical irredentist claim. As is denouncing British “colonialism” when the Argentine intention is to ignore the wishes of the people living there, to dominate, subjugate and impose an alien culture....which happens to be colonialism; Argentine colonial ambitions.
Nov 19th, 2009 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now the British and the Falkland Islanders have moved on, the Falkland Islands govern themselves, they have a modern 21st Century relationship whilst Argentina is still mired in 19th Century recriminations and convincing itself its fall from the 5th richest nation on the planet to a 3rd world bankrupt economy is everone elses fault but its own.
Jorge, you concentrat on your economy and watch it go down the toilet if you believe the Kirschner lies.
Jorge,
Nov 19th, 2009 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Revealing post. I guess it depends where your economy starts from. 0% of nothing is nothing is it not?
<<They don't even have money to pave their roads! Please!!!>>
Good point, but also they are not so foolish as to borrow money to do something when they can't afford it as is your way. Thus becoming a pariah on the international money markets through an inability to repay your debts.
The roads will be blacktopped as and when that priority is decided as affordable and not before.
Wake up and smell the coffee Jorge.
By the way the maps circulating in Bolivia and elsewhere simply reflect the reality that Falklands are at the present British. You can believe the the Winnie the Pooh fantasy of the Argentine Malvinas if you wish.
Personally I prefer to deal with reality.
Now a Disney theme park in the Falklands depicting the Argentine myth should be a good draw for Argentine tourists. It could have Mickey and Minnie Kirchner, their faithful doggy Pluto Taiana, and a host of other characters like that great hero Antonio “Davy Crockett” Rivero etc.
What a good idea.
It's too evident how recalcitrant islanders' views can be... It's a pity, isolated from the worlk, in an atmosphere of hatred and thinking they are the centre of the world! Only 2000 British “subjects” who need to go to the shrink ASAP to overcome not only their inferiority complex but have their minds set to rest. They DO know their case is a weak one and that's why fear is the only means among them. “Your” economy is not actually yours, as the resources are not yours either. May God guide you all in your path back to reality!
Nov 19th, 2009 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Justin, sorry to disagree but it's not me but the UN that so states! The UK officially and formally expresses that THERE IS a sovereingty dispute between 1) Argentina and 2) the UK (no number 3 here), to be solved through bilateral (then) negotiations taking into account the INTERESTS (not “wishes”) as well as the relevant provisions of the UN Charter and resolution 1514 (which obvioulsy refer to the principles therein contained which includes territorial integrity as a prevailing principle over self-determination). This is the very opposite to the UK position (and hence islanders' too), unless the UK has changed its views recently and we are not aware! Sorry to insist, but islanders do not have a case in the UN. Why? Because it is international law that prevails instead of the use of force (and reason by which you can now pay memories to your “ancestors” in the islands!)
Nov 19th, 2009 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0good work ambasador Macedo.
Nov 19th, 2009 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0George,
Nov 19th, 2009 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You Argentines are obviously not too hot on your international law nor your respect for UN resolutions. Like the resolution 502 (1982) which expressly demanded the withdrawal of your forces from the Falkland Islands after the 1982 invasion (itself an act which was in contravention of international law). Did you withdraw your forces? No. A case of the pot calling the kettle black?
As for territorial integrity trumping self determination, you are so very misguided by your own government's propaganda. Read Resolution 1514 (XV) again. It refers to future disruption (“any attempt aimed at”) of territorial integrity (resulting from the decolonisation process). It is saying that the decolonisation of the Falkland Islands must not disrupt Falkland Island territory. Nothing to do with Argentina.
J. A.R.
Nov 19th, 2009 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0George has stated the standard twisted and self serving Argentine interpretation of 1514. The propaganda value speaks for itself and is truly laughable as a credible interpretation.
para 4 of 1514 says it all:-
<<4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.>>
So lets see the Argentine repressive measures against the Falklands ceased so a new era of cooperation can begin.
How about it George?
Nicholas, ignorant people who repites what the media says thinks like you, obviusly we have many problems, but the reality of our country is not exactly what you see or read in the newspapers, there are many good aspect that you have no idea about argentina.
Nov 19th, 2009 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0About our education, i can say much more tham you, because i'm a future profesor of geography, i finished my residence a couple of weeks ego, of course our education sistem has many deficiences and advantages, but in spite of that our public universitys are very prestigious for our country and the rest of the world, in the last six years thousands of students from foreign countrys inmigrated to argentina, because they found here many oportunitys to develope their knowleadge, so as you can see everything is not bad, if you want to have a opinion about our country, you should talk to many of us or visit argentina, or just learn to discern what the media says, because it doesnt inform, it misinforms.
As a proud and very British Falkland Islander it annoys me that my Islands are refered to as (Malvinas) but hey there are greater things to get the blood pressure increasing. I thought I might share a highly amusing observation with you all though. A few years ago I visited the horrible building in Ushuaia that has been made into a museum. It used to be the military prison I believe. In a room there there is an exhibit on the 1982 conflict, much to my surprise the maps there use the proper (ie British) names for the Islands and the locations within.
Nov 20th, 2009 - 04:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't bother yourself axel. This peolple will not understand. One believes Argentina lost all moral rights to claim! Could you believe it? This guys consider themselves as the moral reserve of the world. Another believes to see argentine warplanes over the malvinas all the time, This one is a little nut and finally, Justin just can't get his head out of the toilet. His anti argentine feelings don't allow him to think clearly.
Nov 20th, 2009 - 05:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nicholas,
you are a comedian, I have an idea for your disney park, How about bringing the british mickey mouse tony Blair uh!!!. You could bring also something that represent the old arpy b**ch you have for queen!!! and the other b**ch you had for prime minister in 1982.
and nicholas, you talk about reality, I have to tell you that the only reality is that none country in this continent recognise you as legally british. Even more, In south america almost none country want you. Did you think about that??? Why would that be???
When you have a troublemaker in your neighbourhood, The problem is the troublemaker or the rest of the neighboors??? Just in case, You are not in the-rest-of-the-neighboors group!!!
P.S. don't let the hatred and fear eat you away!!!
Cheers.
Just a few of islanders begin to understand how it works and say it publicly at least some. recognising a little is a start.
Nov 20th, 2009 - 05:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/southamerica/falklandislands/721585/The-Falkland-Islands-South-Atlantic-dreamers.html
Cheers
Jorge, I have reed that article, very interesting ! I think the people who keep living in Malvinas are short of mind, and have a big resentment in their hearts... maybe needs that to justify the invasion or living in foreing lands. Lamentably british left them without university education and with a colonial mentality, it is convenient for the Britishers remember that they (kelpers) are only a few UK's toys to support the control in the Atlantic south.
Nov 20th, 2009 - 06:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0It´s a strange situation, an endogamical society.
Nov 20th, 2009 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 03 men x every woman but they sill be 2500.
Scratching around for a ten year old travel article and an apparent misquote to support your ambitions is pretty pathetic I think you will have to agree.
Nov 20th, 2009 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No University education? Where did you get that one from?
Billy the end game for Argentina was 1982, since then you have been crying over spilt milk and stamping your feet to no avail.
Keep it up, it just suits your brainless politicians ambitions...going nowhere and achieving nothing lining their pockets whilst keeping you diverted with Malvinas nonsense.
“One believes Argentina lost all moral rights to claim! Could you believe it?”
Nov 20th, 2009 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, that's me, and by your act of military aggression in 1982 you lost any moral rights you might have had. What I can't believe is that you don't even get that, you are obviously so brainwashed by your government and eduction system that you can't even see that.
yes, it´s a ten years article, but don´t forget that ´99 was best period ever for malvinas, today situation is much worse, much more endogamical, much more alienated.
Nov 20th, 2009 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don´t think ´82 was game over; the prove of that is that we are talking now here about that instead of talking of something else.
UNSC resolution 502 of 1982, interesting quote. But there's not a word in it on the so-called “invasion” or “aggression”, interesting reading of an alternative version then. The aggression actually took place in 1833, but the UN didn't exist by then, did it? In fact, that is not the only UN resolution in 1982! Resolution 37/9 which once again calls upon the TWO parties to solve the sovereignty dispute taking into account the interests of the population on the islands. And there's plenty of stuff like this .
Nov 20th, 2009 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Regarding territorial integrity, seems it is you who's utterly misguided, but this is not the place to try to explain to you certain things on international law that require an instructed audience.
Of course you will always deem it “Argentine propaganda”, quinte an interesting way to discredit actual discussion due to lack of arguments. Taking it personally seems to be the other way. Poor you, British islanders on foreign occupied land who live obssessed trying to convince yourselves you are the right ones and the world, yes, the world is wrong. You'are not to blame, in any case.
Simply too boring to continue this “dialogue” with such a poor, self-centered and ignorant public. I wish you the best, that is, have a clever, instructed and cultivated islander writing on this section, at least every once in a while. Bye
JUSTINKUNTZ, let me tell you that we are not so idiot to beleive the lies of our corrupter politcians, of course we know that the problems that we have are because of the lack of good politics.
Nov 20th, 2009 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Beside there are many aspects that you have no idea, you are giving an opinion and you are ignoring a lot of facts.
Firstly the thought of the the politicians are not in absolut the thoughts of most of us, that's why menen, de la rua, and kirchner are so rejected, two years ego kirchner had the 87% of popularity, eaven i admired him very much, now he is one of the most rejected, dont you wonder why?, so as you can see we are not inocent or ignorant to beleive in them.
On the other hand it's true that our economy had a very big record of growth, eaven the private stadistics hold it, i dont beleive in the indec eather of course. I am not an obsequent of the k, i just try to be objetive, they have many negative aspects, and there are also many decitions they took that i defend because they were really good for our country.
If you want to have an opinion of argentina, learn to discern what the media says, because it actually misinforms, i am not denaying the problems that we have, it's true that we have many problmes, but the reality of my country is not exactly what the media shows, it leaves of peoples fears.
George,
Nov 21st, 2009 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0You should read what I wrote about 502 again. As for Resolution 37/9 the obvious solution is for you to drop your weak claim. Also, can I remind you that no single UN GA or SC resolution concerning the Falkland Islands, the non self-governing territories or decolonisation ever states or implies that Argentina should have sovereignty over the Falkland Islands or that is the only outcome to solving the dispute.
I see you can't even be bothered to fight for your “territorial integrity” red herring, because that's exactly what it is and you know as well as anyone else that the logic behind Argentina's position does to stand up to scrutiny.
Goodbye to you, and good luck!
Sorry to ask, but is there ANY Un GA or SC resolution concerning the Falklands/Malvinas, NSGT or decolonisation that EVER (and even) “implies” that UK should have sovereignty over the islands or that is the only outcome to solving the dispute?
Nov 21st, 2009 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0In answer to Helen, no there is not a single one.
Nov 21st, 2009 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Axel, if you took a comment the wrong way then I apologise. I don't think the Kirschner's policies are good for Argentina. Argentina for the Argentines and the protectionist policies they follow simply mean that Argentine industry is uncompetitive. Similarly the policies pursued have hurt agricultural exports and Argentina is still a largely agrarian economy. Short term policies that have popular appeal but long term they will damage Argentina's ability to grow.
JUSTIN, you are wrong, you retrograted one houndred years, our economy is not just a largely agrarian one, actually the framework of our economy are the comoditys exports, and the metal mecanic industrys, you should visit the interior of cordoba, santa fe, entre rios, the interior of buenos aires too, and you will see in those agrarian provinces many developed mecanic industrys, they fabricate tractors, croping machines etc, that's why the interior was very prosperous in the last years, now the drynes and the lack of good politics for the sector damaged the interior economy, any way the goverment gave many benefices for the farmers, but it's not enough.
Nov 22nd, 2009 - 05:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0About proteccionism, i agree totally with that, because we must protect our work, i dont want those politics from the ninetys, when we had indiscriminated imports wich decimated our national industry, every serious nation protect their work, about now, there are very good measures to promove industrial development, i read them very often, i follow very close the kirchner's administration, because i want to have an independent opinion, that'as why i dont beleive in the media, i just believe in the facts, and that's why too that there some aspects that i dont like in absolut of the kirchner, and there are also others decitions that i defend, to finish my answer, an economy based mostly in agriculture is not going to join the g. 20 ( the twenty most industrialized countrys), dont you think?.
Well Axel, if you support protectionism, all you're doing is creating a bloated and uncompetitive industrial base that will be decimated by leaner and fitter foreign competition. Your national industries were decimated because they were uncompetitive, you're creating the conditions for a further fall. I suggest you read a little more on economics, the same thing was tried under Peron and that is one of the things that screwed the economy up in the 1st place.
Nov 22nd, 2009 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What the Kirschner's have done has resulted in a contraction of the agrarian sector and its harmed your exports. Thats the main route to earn foreign currency for you and its hurting the economy.
And further the unnecessary stand off with Brazil, Brazil a main trading partner has the capacity to really hurt the Argentine economy if it decides to go elsewhere.
Axel read my response, I said Argentina was still largely an agrarian economy, I did not say it didn't have an industrial base. But the policies the Kirchners are following will probably change that in the future - for the worse.
You seem to have an open mind, please consider my comments in the spirit they were intended. You may have the impression that I don't particularly like Argentina, which isn't true. I have a great deal of affection for Argentina, I lived in Rawson for the 3 months back in 1996. I just recognise that the Argentines have certain blind spots.
I still cant enough of Argentines who have never been here, never spoken to the people. They have no idea what they are talking about, degree or no degree, they are in complete delusion. And i fear nothing, Argentina can struggle as much as they want to take my country. It must be embarrassing for a country of 40 million to keep making fools of themselves for a country of 3000. The more Argentina protest the more they look like fools. Argentines are laughable.
Nov 23rd, 2009 - 04:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Justin's comment on colonism was brilliant, the Argentines have no answer for their childish hypocrisy. Enjoy your struggle Argentina, you will never realize your dream. If it was so simple, so clearcut, why is the Falklands still British.
Ignorance must be bliss for the Argentines, well if they accepted reality, they would really see how rubbish their lives are.
JUSTIN, i read so much about economy, anyway i am not economist, i am a future profesor of geography, i just finished my residence.
Nov 23rd, 2009 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0About proteccionism, it's imposible that our product compit with brazilians or asiatics, because the cost of production are much more lower in those countrys tham year, beside if you see the quality of the products, you can realise that they are very ordinary, that's why we can't compit with them, during the ninetys, there were indiscriminated imports with very low prices, and that's whywe had 17% of unemploitment, now we have 11% (by private stadistics).
I heard the economist and they say that price of the dollar here is reasonable, but it will increase in the future to have more competitive products to export, beside our central bank has 46 thousands millions dollars to control the price of the dollar.
I agree that some economic measures of the kirchner were not good, but there are others that i agree, the ministery of industry and tourism are making a good job, they give credicts with low and fixed rates for small and middling interprises in order to produce more capital of work and more jobs.
About having blind spots, you have to know that unfortunately, at school we dont learn very much about the conflict, the malvinas cause is just a small passage in the argentina history, i think it's a very big mistake, that's why i will teach my piupirls not only our oficial history, i will tell them also the arguments of the islanders, and they will have their conclutions, beside in this country there are many people who think diferent about the conflict, that's why everyone can't be included in the same way, finally for being honest and objetive notwithstanding we clame for the islands, in the deapest of our conscience, we know prefectly that the islands are never going to be argentine, as you can see many of us are not so blind or ignorant like some of your compatriots say.
Axel,
Nov 23rd, 2009 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You acknowledge Argentine industry is uncompetitive and rather than fixing it you apply a short term band aid. Long term it will be even more uncompetitive, all you're doing is delaying and worsening the inevitable. Its a recipe for disaster but note how you'll blame foreign influences.
JUSTIN, i am not going to blame foreign influences, i told you last week that most of us dont beleive in the politicians pathetic excuses, may be i didnt express my self correctly when i was talking about proteccionism.
Nov 24th, 2009 - 04:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am not against importing product, we ned them, because we have trade relations with many countrys, i am just against indiscriminated importing, because we can't compit with those cheap products, every fabricator complain for it, any way i didnt invinted this hipotesis, i am not economist, i heard many economists, those who suport the goverment and those who are against the goverment, they all say it, i read very much about economy, because i dont beleive in the goverment eather nor in the press, i just beleive in the reality, every economist say that next year is going to be very good for us, i hope so, i wish it, obviously it doesn't depend only on us.
About the decitions that i agree with the kirchner, i dont mean just economic measures, because there are some economic decitions that i dont agree in absolut, i agree mostly with the very big impulse they gave to the science and tecnology, one of the many results of that politic is that argentina will start to fabricate the vaxine against h1n1 virus, and there also projects to erradicate dengue, the science and tecnology is the most important for every nation, if next goverments follow this politic, maybe in 20 years my country could join the developed nations, unfortunately i must recognize that when the politics takes the power, they destroy what his last president did, and that's why every six years we have diferent crisis, i hope it changes, because the bigest cancer of argentina are the politicians, for bieng honest some times i really hate them, and our bigest proud are the public universitys, they are very prestigious not ony for argentina, many countrys admire them, that's why in the last years thousands of students inmigrated to argentina to study, because they think they have the chance to develope their knowleadge here, i met many of them, when i see that, i realise that the reality is not what the media wants us to beleive, it's convenient for them and their interest that we beleive that argentina is falling, it's a chaos, we dont progress, i really think that if people would discern what the media says they would be happyer.
sorry axel argie, but your country is failing, that ain't fantasy, but true reality. Of course, since you live there, everything you need you have, things are fine, that part i understand, but compare to other nations, you're economy is a mess but compare to Venezula, you ain't that bad..lol. Anyway The reason why you are in the G20 is because your lousy government was invited and pushed to be in the group by the Brazilians. Why? They need your voice to stop the subsidies in the so called first world. Oh and about your educational system? give me a break..there are plenty of smart argies studying outside B.A. or Argentina.., I met them here in Miami (Some went back because they were Illegal), I met them in Peru and plenty in Sao Paulo and in Porto Alegre..for one good reason (as what they told me) Education sucks in your country and they ain't going back because of lack op opportunities. That's the reality what I ain't learning from the liberal media. Good for you that you're becoming a teacher, so you can teach the kids in your “free” for all educational system..that the Falklands is British..oh and maybe some basic math, in just in case if they want to become a politician..lol.. (don't spend if you don't have the money and don't spand more than what you have). I'm glad you all like Disney Land plan, I will discus it with my senator who represents me with my tax money..urgh.
Nov 25th, 2009 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nicho: You have already anothers news to read (not Falkland Propanda like Mercopress), open the posibilities of information in your mind. Argentina still being the best place to study ask a lot of Latam people who cames every year to study in our universities or searching attendance in our Hospital System.
Nov 26th, 2009 - 04:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0NICHOLAS, it's so obvious that you lack of objetivity, i was perfectly clear when i told you about our education sistem, i told you that we have deficiences and advantages, in some provinces like buenos aires, the sistem is not so good for many reasons, but in many others provinces, the education is much more better, about the lack of oportunitys, during and after the crisis of 2001, there was a very big exodus of argentine people who inmigrated specially to miami, spain and mexico, the reality is not the same for every one, many of them came back because is not easy to be illegal, if you live in the foreign, you must know so much about those storys.
Nov 26th, 2009 - 05:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Obviusly there thusands of argentine students who inmigrated to others countrys, we dont have absolutly every carear or master, that's why some times it's necesary to live the province, or the country. But it's also truth that our public universitys are really prestigious, one of the results of that are those thousands of people who inmigrated in the last 6 years from border countrys, or from colombia, venezuela, mexico, ecuador, eaven from u.s.a and europe, to study in the u.b.a (university from buenos aires), or in the rest of the public universitys from the country.
On the other hand, i dont need you to tell me what to do with my money or my carear, i dont eaven care what you do with yours, beside we are not like disney land plan, i told you we have many problems like any other country, there are bad aspects and good aspects, everything is not a mess like some times the media wants to show, for many big bussines men it would great for their economic interests that argentina has another 2001, there is a very big push of power betwen the goverment and the media, there are many aspects that you dont know because you dont live here, you are just aware about the bad aspects of argentina, anyway i am not injudicious, i know very well the reality of my country, i live it everyday, beside you have no idea about if i have everything i need notwithsanding i live in argentina.
To finish my answer, if you want to know if our economy is a mess, or eaven the future of the country, read what is forcasted for argentina, and how was it afected by the worst economic crisis of the last 70 years.
I dont know what is going to happen finally, the only thing i know is that we have so much resilience to recover from any crisis, we had many, that was thank tho the corrupters politicians that we had.
Sure, Argentina is the best place for Socialist, Communist and other left wing che guevara nuts to study. No thanks, not for me. I have visited B.A. and it's nothing more than a cheap wannabee European city with a socialist government, where foreigners enjoy low prices at good restaurants, buy made in Brazil or cheap chinese leather, where the locals suffer, can't find jobs, can't afford to buy enough food and can't find small change. God lord, that must be your Wonderland. Keep on believing that you have the best education and healthcare system in the world or latin america, no wonder you folks there stay where you are, down under and Perhaps that whole “believe” keeps you alive there till you the day you take off those sunglasses and see 'reality”. Get real and by time i'm sure your nation will be fine but not as strong as you want to believe.
Nov 26th, 2009 - 06:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0NICHOLAS, it's evident how you keep hunderstanding just what you want, this is the last answer i give you, i dont care about talking to some so injudicious like you.
Nov 27th, 2009 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0For the last time and i hope you hunderstand it, my country is not a paradise, or a wonderland and we are not in any disney land plan, we have many problems since many years, i told you why, i gave enough reasons to hold what i say, if you have no capacity to hunderstand that, it's not my problem, i'll not keep wasting my time with you.
What i wonder, if my country is such a mess or decadent for you, whay did you visit us?, i am sure there are many others cheap countrys to spend your pounds or dolars.
To finish my comentary, you dont represent in absolut what i think about the falkland islanders, i talk to many of them, and they are so much more open mind, inteligent and objetive tham you.
Esta claro ahora que este Nicholas pertenece a la gusanada de fascista, ultra capitalista y mercenaria de Miami. Todo encaja bien ahora.
Nov 27th, 2009 - 05:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nicholas, unless I'm mistaken it was neoliberal IMF policies of structural adjustment which caused the Argentine economy to crumble in order to pay international credtiors, much as in Bolivia.
Nov 27th, 2009 - 07:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0As an Englishment with a strong attachment to Bolivia I would have to say firstly that, whilst I don't know Argentina, Bolivia is becoming a far better place for an un-affluent person to live than England, and in particular London, which has also had it's quality of life decimated by the imposition of the kind of neoliberal economic policies - including unwatched mass migration to drive native wages down - that I'm sure well off right wing ideologues like yourself loved while it was lining your pockets, yet suddenly entered denial mode once the cash dried up.
By contrast, being poor or working class in Bolivia is becoming, by the year, a less and less oppressive situation under their no doubt unacceptably leftwing government.Well, I'm off there cos it's better than the UK to live in now, where I can barely afford to survive.So well done the ideology of greed.
Oh, and the Falklands are British.They were taken by the invading British from the Argentinians who had stolen it some time before from whatever poor sods lived in or near Patagonia, (so it should by rights have been theirs) much as their Spanish forebears did across the continent, just one rapacious European power screwing another.That's what they all did and that's bad luck.It's like the Russians owning Alaska up til 1900.Buy it back.We could do with the money.And a decent government.
S OBSTORY, it wasen't exactly neoliberal IMF policies what caused the crisis in argentina, actually we had very corrupter goverments, wich misspent our money, and for many years there wasen't a good project for my country over every goverment.
Nov 28th, 2009 - 03:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0There are many aspects that i dont like about the kirchner, but i must recognise that in spite of all the mistakes they made, there are also great changes for my country.
About the islands, the story that we are told since we are children, is very diferent tham what you learn in england, or what the islanders learn at the falklands, i must say tham i am really confused, i'm a future professor of geography, and i will find out really what is the real history, surelly it would take years, what i will do it, i am not going to lay to my piupirls.
Axel, you are correct there is abig difference in the maps and geograpghy history taught in Argentina and here over the Islands.(In UK at school kids learn very little about this part of the world). Many Argentines I talk to say that is a big part of the problem - they have been taught at school since they could read that the Islands belong to argentina-full stop - no discussion allowed on our side of the story - so it is then difficult for them to accept and balance later when they learn the reality that we are not under a colonial power, oppressed etc, and do have democratic rights also.
Nov 29th, 2009 - 07:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yours is a great country though, its just we dont like the politicians over there.
Thank you ISLANDER, i agree on what you think.
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