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Argentina will take the Falklands’ oil drilling case to United Nations
Argentina will be taking the case of oil exploration in Falkland Islands waters by private companies licensed by the Islands government to the United Nations, but not to the International Court of The Hague as had been suggested since the London/Buenos Aires dispute resumed a few weeks ago. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesRelax my countrymen! These arrogant thieves will not get their ways!
Feb 12th, 2010 - 07:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Justice comes for everyone!
Well isn't that a surprise, not, Argentina declines to take the issue before a competent body capable of delivering a definitive judegment. Quelle surprise
Feb 12th, 2010 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0And Jorge slipped in there lauding it, applauding BS. ROTFLMAO
As usual Argentina will bleat, make a lot of noise and blow a lot of hot air but will conspicuously avoid having what it claims tested. No doubt a number of South American countries will mouth sympathetic platitudes whilst laughing behind your backs.
Might be a step towards a bright new future for the Falkland nation. And well deserved too. Good luck!
Feb 12th, 2010 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0First Argentina boycotts companies from Argentinean business if they have ties with the falklands. Even fishing boats..and then they complain the oil rigs are being run by UK companies... so dumb. They are causing it themselves!
Feb 12th, 2010 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0min 36.
Feb 12th, 2010 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina : 2 England : 0
( too many disabled in England team...always beg to referee....)
Are there any other ways the Argentine government can dream up to embarass itself and its citizens. Does anyone think that the Falklands Government, United Kingdom or the UN will actually care? Given the state of the Argentine ecomony then perhaps it is better for all parties to accept the status quo, trade and get rich together rather than continue this stupid, pathetic sabre rattling. We all know how this ended up in 1982 and a repeat would only end up with the same result (Falkland Islands remaing British and too many young people dead). Time for the politicians to grow up or get voted out!
Feb 12th, 2010 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Much as I love Christina, I feel she, and her Government have missed an essential point. The UK had settles the Falklands before Argentina was formed as a country. Get over it, and learn to work with us, not against. We have so much to gain by being allies, nothing to gain by the constant bickering.
Feb 12th, 2010 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jorge, your comments are as full of self-important posturing as Arentina's self-important huffing and posturing. The Falkland Islands people have decided and if you don't live there, you have no reason to comment.
Feb 12th, 2010 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Governor Rios has jurisdiction over the Falklands? How come I have never seen/heard her make any decisions concerning the Falkland Islands? That's right, it is all made up, and she has no power of the Falkland Islands whatsoever. More fuel to to feed the Argentine delusion.
Feb 12th, 2010 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well what a surprise...
Feb 12th, 2010 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After much posturing and noise, the Arg gov't backs down from it's threat to take the matter to a binding international court. Insted it chooses to go the a shouting forum, to do a bit more shouting, to get the prats back home to beat their chests and wave their flags.
Meanwhile sensible people in the UK, FI, and Argentina will laugh and shake their heads. Best of luck to the Argentines who don't buy into the usual screaming rhetoric... the Falklands are increasingly making their own luck.
@Cougar, which team struggled to get to the World Cup...? England or Argentina? It is going to be interesting to watch Argentina lose because Maradona is out of his depth.
Feb 12th, 2010 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0mike ! i am argentine but living in spain.
Feb 12th, 2010 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0in 1978 and 1986 while optaining the cup ,our rivals were not england !
again it won't be in where it's old colony against us !!
did you see how we seized cris ronaldo from manu !?
at malvinas stadium our rivals are not neither england
nor scotland nor wales nor nort.irld. ...!!!!!!!!!!
Harry, Gov.Rios is the real governor of Malvinas, the department of South Atlantic Islands is part of Tierra del Fuego Province (Ushuaia City the Capital). Now (since 1833) in our islands we have pirates, so could the real governor work in that conditions ?, the last legitime governor Luis Vernet was expeled.
Feb 12th, 2010 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No doubt Justin will always come up with his usual crap! Cheap imitation of historian, always distortioning argentine history and talking bullshit about J.D. Perón, the best argentine president of the second half of XX century.
Feb 12th, 2010 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor guy, is obsessed with our history, and I can even bet he knows more about Argentina's history than his own country's.
Dear new ignorant Sarah,
I live just in front of Malvinas and those islands are ours, so that I am going to comment whatever I want about that, got it????
And I don't care what islanders had decided!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mathieu,
You are a british/islander and love Cristina?????
Nitrojuan<br />
Feb 12th, 2010 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Now since (1833) in our islands we have pirates”
Have you forgotten 1831?? In 1831 captain Silas Duncan (Lexington)
arrived and removed the settlers. He charged them with PIRACY !!
( captured ships Harriet, Superior and Breakwater were retaken).
Obviously pirates and piracy was allready then accepted by the residents !!!
What a load of utter nonsense.... UN couldn't give a monkey's about this .... One of these countries has a permanent seat on the security council the other can't afford a seat at the local McDonalds....
Feb 12th, 2010 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you are right jms, it´s all about power and force while law and reason is at arg side. british are bully masters but that will finish someday. we will be here waiting, don´t worry and you can bet that.
Feb 12th, 2010 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can smell a lot of frightened shareholders here. welcome!!
Feb 12th, 2010 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you will get a lot of money with oil investments the day your country negotiate with argentina; dont´expect succes in this conflictive enviroment.
Hi I'm a share holder, am i frightened? Nope. Just looking forward to a nice pay day. Thanks and enjoy your ranting.
Feb 13th, 2010 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Today, I was at a business meeting where discussions concerning international trade were taking place. I was surprised to learn that due to the recent fiasco being created by Argentina, cetain projects were being placed on hold, with a further view to being abandoned due to the current political climate not being condusive to foreign investment. I therefore took this evening to research more on the matter, which has found me here, among other sites. It greatly concerns me that the Argentine government could be so obtuse in their dealings on this matter. Sarah would appear to have presented the logical solution as part of a self determined community that has and continues to reside on the Falkland Islands. I have been shocked to also learn of the underhanded bullying tactics which Argentina have undertaken over recent years in what the press appear to have labelled as 'sabre rattling'. Clearly, it would not be in Argentina's best interests to embarrass themselves again by undertaking a second conflict. The end result would be undisputed, and an already fragile economy would become ostracised internationally. The only positive result for Argentina would appear to be the removal of the present government, as happened previously, to the benefit of all concerned. Meanwhile, the fact that business is reconsidering investments in Argentina cannot surely help their cause, economy, or people, but the radicals would never understand that... I hope common sense prevails.
Feb 13th, 2010 - 01:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is not a threat to falklands islanders; it´s their home, that´s ok.
Feb 13th, 2010 - 03:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0But UK is a threat to Argentina; we don´t want britain as neighbours, look at your words, some words you are talking in your media about war.
Only possible solution is britain leaving south atlantic and kelpers assuming their duties as free citizens. We don´t want a colonial master in our doorstep. We don´t choose this conflict so we can´t avoid it; britain brought the conflict here invading and trying to dominate southamerican territories; Argentina´s attitude is a reaction.
Only eliminating the cause of the reaction, british presence as a colonial master, the conflict will end. If the conflict ends, in a peace enviroment investments will flow; including your investment.
(#16) who care UN ! while US operation to Iraq,any asking to UN ?
Feb 13th, 2010 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0(#17) ..don't wait in vain ! Britain alreday is finished . you pacifist kids !
(# 18 , # 19) i am the sharehoder to US Treasury too !?
(#19) need a translator in this comment .
@Jorge-- what do Spain, Portugal, and Greece have in common? they are the 3 most heavily subsidized socialist like economies in the EU. Since you like name calling, your ignorace is only exceeded by your inability to control your train of thought without exposing your vehement feelings towards all things not to your liking. I find your reference to bringing down the World Trade Center in very poor taste and offensive. Your arguments lack reason and you don't even qualify as a troll.
Feb 13th, 2010 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0jorge ! be careful !!!!!!!!!
Feb 13th, 2010 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0bubba and jason archibald have same mental writing styles !!!!!!!!!
Welkin #21, from what I have read over the last 12 hours, I beg to differ. I think the Falkland Islanders have much to fear from Argentina. Lets be honest, invading a self determined community, albeit an overseas territory of the UK, is hardly condusive to good relations is it. Reading some Penguin News articles and articles here on Mercopress, Argentina have done nothing to endear good working relations. Interferring with LAN flights, impounding Falkland registered fishing vessels, lobbying conferences in Europe to block Falkland representatives from attending. All very petty and sad to be honest, but also a very serious interference of international affairs, and one which rightly will be concerning Falkland residents and the UK . Will the UK go to war with Argentina. Oh yes, if Argentina pull the sort of stunt they did back in 1982, you can be certain, I am sure. Britain abhors bullies.
Feb 13th, 2010 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I believe Argentina has now referred the dispute to the International Court at the Hague, but populist policies and renewed rhetoric could precipitate renewed conflict, and from the many Argentine friends I have with memories of 1982, they all say this would be a disastrous course of action. I know that it can be frustrating for the UN to appear to do little concerning Argentine protestations, but the fact they do nothing in itself speaks volumes on their position on the situation, in my opinion.
Of colonial masters, if you read the history of Argentina, I believe you will find that they are in fact colonial masters of their own country, which lets face it, did not exist by name or recognition at the time the British first took control of the Islands. How about Argentina returning the lands back to the indigenous South American Indians? Further, what does Argentina propose to be other than colonial masters of the FI themselves. That argument shoots itself in the foot.
Finally, it would appear that the claim to the Falkland Islands is an issue used to unite Argentina’s fractious political parties and relieve the domestic pressure on the embattled Peronist government. But if President Christina Kirchner reckons that a renewed campaign of harassment against the islands would divert public attention from Argentina’s economic problems, its loss of a majority in mid-term congressional elections and a recent corruption scandal over her family’s alleged business dealings, she risks a massive political miscalculation. Argentina still depends crucially on political and economic support from America and international monetary organisations, which is where I am involved. Any attempt to hinder or prevent the start of oil exploration in the seas 100 miles north or the islands would also raise serious concern in Washington. From memory, the US gave strong support to Britain during the 1982 Falklands Conflict; now, when it counts on crucial British military engagement in Afghanistan, Washington would be deeply angered by renewed Argentine brinkmanship that risks fresh hostilities with Britain. As I mentioned above, I believe Argentina would also find Britain far from unprepared, as it was in 1982. A permanent British garrison is stationed on the Falklands, kept in a high state of readiness. Four new Typhoon fighter aircraft and a number of Royal Naval vessels provide a fully equipped fighting force that appear to regularly practise mock engagements with Argentina. Gordon Brown recently reiterated the legitimacy of the proposed new oil exploration, and Britain has given blanket assurances to the islands that it will not allow Argentina to dictate affairs in the self determined islands of the South Atlantic.
The press are stating that both London and Stanley are playing down Argentina’s denunciation of the oil exploration as “illegitimate”, dismissing it as rhetoric for domestic consumption. But if the threats continue, I believe they could create a dangerous momentum. In 2007 Argentina tore up an earlier agreement on joint exploitation of the waters between the Falklands and the mainland, who lost out on that opportunity? Last December its Congress adopted a law linking the islands to the southern mainland province of Tierra del Fuego, and politicians there have been discussing possible sanctions against the oil operations. The actions of a tin-pot dictatorship? Given its chronic economic difficulties, Argentina is only stepping up pressure to benefit from the estimated 60 billion barrel oilfield in the Falklands maritime zone, but to be honest, Argentina already have copious amounts of oil, and has that done anything to alleviate their domestic situation? Have a good day all.
the owner of comment ( 25 ) “”jack“” is an adult parrot .
Feb 13th, 2010 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pepe. Thank you for your comment. To be fair, at least I put forward reasoned thoughts for discussion, for which I was hoping to receive likewise in return. What have you contributed to the discussion? Nothing of relevance it would appear. All the best.
Feb 13th, 2010 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0jack ;;;;
Feb 13th, 2010 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I look for the commentators who have their own original opinions
in the Mercopress, not copied from crap and lier media .! ok...
Pepe, there is no need to revert to profanity in your desperation to hold onto the lies and deception that is being touted by the Argentine Regime, and in turn relayed by your good self, which you no doubt will also claim to be original! Instead, why do you not undertake a little research yourself, and put forward reasoned discussion? Is it because you cannot find any facts that actually support the lunacy of the rhetoric being disseminated in Argentina.
Feb 13th, 2010 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To that end,on my point regarding the UN above, I found this; Argentina makes regular statements about it's claim to the Falkland Islands, and raises it in many international fora. However the FCO can confirm that we always refute these claims. We have no doubt about the British sovereignty over the islands. The principle of self determination is enshrined in the UN charter, underlies our position. There can be no negotiations on the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands unless and until such time as the the falkland islanders so wish. The Islanders regularly make it clear that they have no wish to either lose British sovereignty, or become independent. In his 2010 new years speech to the Falkland Islands the prime minister reaffirmed the UK goverment's position.
In addition, the Lisbon Treaty reaffirms the EU position that the Falkland Islands are an overseas territory of the UK. Furthermore, the Lisbon Treaty does not affect the status of the Falkland Islands as an overseas country or territory of the EU as set out in the 2001 ” Overseas Association Decision. Hence why the UN do not recognise or take any action to Argentina's spurious claims.
Further, I read in a subsequent Mercopress article: The Argentine opposition in the Lower House has asked for Minister Jorge Taiana to be summoned to report on the “Thor Leader” incident, believing the government is “over-acting”.
“In foreign affairs it is essential to reach the necessary consensus that enable us to set the basics for a State policy that ensures the standing exercise of sovereignty in the framework of International Law”, said Raul Alfonsin, opposition member from the Lower House.
Looks like President Christina Kirchner , far from raising popularity for herself in Argentina as a cheap way to raising her popularity, is in fact, scoring an own goal, i.e raising further concerns as to her competence, and causing other Argentine leaders to question her stance on the international rights of the Falkland Islands.
Now, Pepe, how about a little thought being placed into your next posting, or will it be another piece of immmature dribble?
demagogy master Jack !!!
Feb 13th, 2010 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0do you believe that you live in this planet really !? I not !
unfortunately these problems can not be resolved at your
mentioned levels . UN has resolved which problems ? none of them ..
Treaties have resolved which problems ? none of them ...
I don't mean that there should be use jackboot but I don't believe
Jack's view to resolvings will do here ! of course there are many
other {methods} available .!.if you ask what will be the solution
answer is very absolute : Malvinas Islas' destination toward
blue blood ( noble) Argentine Flag !.
Pepe, I am glad you did not disappoint. For a moment I actually thought you might have actually posted something worthwhile, but true to form, you remained a zealous and deluded bill board ranter. Anyway, my friend, you have kept me amused whilst I awaited my flight, but now I have to go return to the real world of business. Squawk squawk!
Feb 13th, 2010 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0good flights Jack !!
Feb 13th, 2010 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0please don't jump down from plane if you see an island !
PEOPLE, i understand that for many of you this decition of the argentine goverment can unger you very much, but you have to understand too that, if we consider that the malvinas-falklands are integral part of our territory, all those foreign companys that want to explore in that area must ask not only the f.i.g, they must be authorised also by our national goverment too, i agree totally on giving a sanction to those corporations that dont ask argentina about a permission to drill and explore.<br />
Feb 13th, 2010 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0About te posture of both sides, i think that in some aspects it's pathetic, because our goverment doesent includ the islanders in the negociation, and the f.i.g. offered to talk about many important issues with argentina, but the sovereignty dispute is not on discution, with this idiot mentality, soported obviously by most falklands islanders, the conflict will remain for years, if the malvinas-falklands population think that avoiding to discusss the sovereignty dispute will give you the chance to became into an independent nation, i dont think it's going to happen, because we all still have a sovereign conflict, that's why we must find a fair solution for both sides, it would be unfair to pretend the total argentine sovereignty on the islands, and it's unfair to if the islanders pretend we to drop on our sovereing claim, i know perfectly that you hold your right to self determination, but you must understand once and for all please, that this decition benefits only the islanders, and we will loss our right on the islands, i know perfectly that most you think that argentina doesent have any rights on the islands, i gave you many times the bases to hold that both nations have solid rights on the islands, if any of you dont want to undersand it, that's your problem, i take many of your arguments, i changed my points of you about the conflict after reeding your arguments, i respect your posture, but i dont agree on it, and finally i think that as long as both sides sit once and for all and try to find a fair solution for all of us (argentine and islanders), we will have plenty of big problems in the future.<br />
We must learn to be objetive, notwithstanding we have a cause that involts our feelings, i recognize that it's hard and diffilcult, but we all must do it.
Nitrojuan : comment 13
Feb 13th, 2010 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Gov. Rios is the real governor (leader) of the Malvinas”
King Juan Carlos (Spain) also have the title “King of Jerusalem”
I am absolutely NOT sure, neither the citizens in Jerusalem, nor the Kelpers in Falkland Isl. will accept or understand such ridicolous and meaningless titles.
If you disagree.... I can comfort you by by nominating you to King of the Moon or Emperor of Mars Titles may be wonderfull, but sometimes meaningless....(and useless!)
The governor Fabriana Rios is doing well the tasks in the TDF, Antarctic & South Atlantic Islands Province: Reactivating the factories with free electronics taxes, fomenting the tourism, the TDF University, the non stop routes to Sao Paulo, in Ushuaia we are now 100.000 inhabitants with the best quality of life in Argentina, She is fighting together with the national government for what is our lost territory. Like a professional of the international relations I feel proudly that my province and my country follows for the diplomatic route claiming of that cannot be waived form our islands, and it will be from generation to generation until it is returned to us. The Argentina ban to illegal occupants in Malvinas will give together good perspective of that, they will not be able to have a life like us (only a limited mind life to the almost 2500 inhabitants).
Feb 14th, 2010 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Whoopiee! A non-stop route to Sao Paolo... TDF must really be doing well... but what you don't realise Nitrojuan is that it's the Brazilians who will soon be running your economy and you forgot to mention all the subsidies TDF gets from the Federal government. Without them TDF would just be another windswept island in the South Atlantic.
Feb 14th, 2010 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mr.Roberts , that is right, thanks to the royalties of the federal government we are kept like to province (+turism with brazilians included, + industry), it is federalism and federal copartnership in a democratic system, different happend in the Malvinas Is. where a colony is submitted to the British regime as a dictatorship.
Feb 14th, 2010 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gentlemen, why all this excitement over oil exploration and threats and warnings against Argentina? What makes you think that this atttude of your's is not going to lead to conflict? DON'T IGNORE ARGENTINA'S SERIOUSNESS OVER THIS MATTER! Your lust for oil money on someone elses territory will lead to a shooy out one day, one that most Islander's will not survive.
Feb 15th, 2010 - 02:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0“IGNORE ARGENTINA”. That's exactly what everyone is going to do Exocet. You guys can't organise a piss-up in a brewery and so we won't expect you to either.
Feb 15th, 2010 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0What is a shooy exocet? We are so scared!!
Feb 15th, 2010 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It appears that the Argentines who comment on articles on MercoPress have very little to offer other than insults, non-sensical statements based on ramblings about how Argentina will be a great power (laughable) and the fact that the Falkland is a colony, while others offer facts, in reasonable language and attempt to have a debate. This only proves that the Argentines do not have any evidence or facts to present of their “claim” on the Falklands, and have to resort to insults. And if the Argentines commenting had any knowledge of the Falklands, they would know it isnt a colony. Believing it is only proves how little you know, and proves that you believe the rubbish your government is feeding you. I dont bother reading a few people's posts because it is the same old stuff “pirates” etc etc. I keep saying it is getting laughable. Truly pathetic. Your country is becoming a joke and a handful of you are not helping it.
Feb 15th, 2010 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr. Mike Summers, Lets do your suitcase back to GB: your real island, there are not more time to colonialism in XXI Century.
Feb 15th, 2010 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hello nitro, unfortunately this isnt Mike Summers, but another Mike from the Falklands. You are poorly informed, and because of that everything you say is discredited. You should learn the facts before you debate, otherwise you will just be repeating yourself for decades without getting anywhere or winning anything, just like your country.
Feb 15th, 2010 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry Mike, you talk like Mr. Summers, he seems convinced when he talks about a British Malvinas, like you. We feel it is a joke to the democratic system or a nightmare to Argentinians.
Feb 15th, 2010 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In your haste to slag off the Falkland Islands you appear to have missed the fact that the last time the Falklanders exercised democracy Mike Summers wasn't re-elected. The Falklands are British and have been for longer than Argentina has existed.
Feb 15th, 2010 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0MIKE, you are as ignorant as those people who you criticise, i can understand that many argentines know so little about the history of malvinas-falklands, this si not my case, i will finish my carear of profesor of geography this year, and i have studyed during all my life about the history of the islands, beside thanks to j. a. robert i could know about the argumenst of your side, i have a posture about the conflict, and i can debate with you as i did with others falkland islanders, so dont involt every argentine in the same way, because it's unfair and pathetic, most us are not ignorant, we just think different, and it seems that there is not much tolerance betwen all of us (argentines and islanders).<br />
Feb 15th, 2010 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On the other hand, like it or not, my country is not a joke, it's a country with good and bad aspects like any other, and it has so much to offer to the world, like every nation, this si evident that you lack of objetivity, finally you can reed my coment number 33, and you will be aware about my posture of the conflict, if you want we can debate deeply about the malvinas-falklands cause.
Axel, the Geography that you have studied has limited the scenario of your knowledge about the Socioeconomic environment that surrounds the kelpers, I dont think that I am the more indicated in make a real opinion in this topic from this optics (but I have studied Commercial Trade & International Relations). They (kelpers) lamentably live as primates that put in prior his territorial safety with a terrible image of the Argentina that gives their leaders or some media (as Mercopress). It is impossible to us to stay in the same educational level of them if they havent got any education House for it, they are a colonial rest of 2000 inhabitants, for the British permanency in the South Atlantic and the Antarctica, only it, do not wait more from kelpers. They are fighting being a little country with their virtual self-determinaton, Do not try to have a mature conversation with them, they are a closed community by convenience and they will die being that. Sad.
Feb 16th, 2010 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0BECAUSE OF MY LAST COMMENT, OUR GOVERNMENT DONT TALK ABOUT OUR SOVEREIGNITY WITH KELPERS, WE TALK WITH THE OTHER SIDE THAT IS UK (Kelpers are only the brits toys, that this country use, to claim the invasion of our lands). Maybe Axel if you want to be a great geographic teacher you must teach all the context to our boys, not only that Malvinas Islands are part of Tierra del Fuego Province. I have studiered Kelpers behavior for years, so I can tell you that.
Feb 16th, 2010 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0There are far too many insults being traded on this comment board. Regardless what people think it is the Islanders (and many of the comments are deeply disrespectful) that should and will have final say over thier home. This is known as democracy and should be applied to all people regardless of thier political opinions or level of education. I know this conept is only a fairly recent development in Argentina (within my lifetime) but once you have subscribed to it then any deviation from the principles of Universal Suffrage is regressive. Let the Kelperrs decide on their future. The UN determined that the descsion on sovereignty should be “in the best interests of the islanders”. As believers in democracy the islanders are the ones to determine what is in “thier best interests”. Despite this fact, power can also be expressed through the barrel of a gun; let us hope we don't go there again!
Feb 16th, 2010 - 07:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0....let the Kelpers decide on their future.....
Feb 16th, 2010 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0....let the Kelts decide on their future about Scotland,Welsh,N.Ir.Repubics .
The Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish (Celts) have decided on their future. It is called devolution.
Feb 16th, 2010 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed we did, we've had devolution for a while. I just love it when someone who hasn't a clue what he's talking about thinks he knows whats better for you.
Feb 16th, 2010 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nitrojuan, Why are you reduced to crude insults at our intelligence? It really shows you poor intelligence that you cannot debate differences of opinion like most of us do. You clearly have NOT studied the Islands - you cannot even get our population figure right - 3000 and rising, your comments about our living standards and education are insulting and stupid. The only people who govern life in the Islands are the people who live here - same as in your contry. Uk does not control us. UK - with our approval is responsible for defence and foreign policy - but this latter is ONLY with our prior approval - UK cannot decide anything unless approved here - we ceased being the type of Colony you talk about at least 50 years ago! I dont expect you and I to agree on sovereignty but at least with axel and others I can debate it sensibly and politley like normal adults.
Feb 16th, 2010 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0islander ££££££
Feb 16th, 2010 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0s't up ,don't live like penguens there ££££££££££
come to us-opposite shore and live like a human .! Peso Peso Peso Peso
owl, actually the life of a penguin has one good point - they are not continually subject to interference and economic abuse by a large bad mannered bad tempered neighbour!I can ashore you I and 3000 plus other live good human lives with a very good standard of living.
Feb 16th, 2010 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0JAJAJAJA Islander, or you are really convinced that you are saying or british have done an excelent job washing your minds! Let visit Ushuaia and I will visit Stanley (Without resentments)... You will extract your own conclusions and you will be able to see that there is another world out of the islands... Today is a party day to Argentinians, the Malvinas Ban starts... Today in Ushuaia is a fantastic day too, how can kelpers lives everyday with politics storms??? with resentments & military???..
Feb 16th, 2010 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0nitrojuan, I have visited Ushuaia, it is a nice place and great natural deep port etc,you are in good spot. Nobody from Britain has ever brainwashed me myfriend - nor anyone else here - we all have our own minds - its democracy. Of course there is another world out of the Islands - same as there is out of Ushuaia - and people make their free choices in where they want to live - thats why our population is increasing as well. The only resentment we have is at the stupid measures of your Government
Feb 16th, 2010 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0NITROJUAN, i think you are very wrong, you are right when you say that you are not the most indicated to talk about this topic, this is evident that you know so little about the malvinas cause, beside when i hold that the malvinas are argentine, i dont mean only on geographic issues, i have studyed the history of the islands during all my life, and i take into account also the arguments of the islanders, there are allways two sides for every story, and i can't ignore the arguments of the other part, i have a posture about the conflict, and when i teach to my piupirls, i will tell them about our arguments, and the arguments of te other side, they will have finally their conclutions.
Feb 16th, 2010 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the truth is very obvious .... England is a small country which for centuries had to occupy other territories for economic growth ... (like Gibraltar) Argentina is great, we have all the resources, all our anger climates .... right or wrong but we are a sovereign and independent nation ... islanders can not say the same ... they ... put a colony on land that belongs to Argentina since independence ... and also can rest easy because the claim of sovereignty would never end, like it or not .... and the story takes many turns as life and never know what can happen
Feb 17th, 2010 - 02:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0axel, sorry if i was very hard with my comments, maybe i had not found better word to express that i think. you can keep the opinion of another people in the world that claim freedom, it have arguments; for example gibraltar (SPAIN gave to UK with a treaty), kosovo, kuwait, taiwan, tibet, but tell me how can you put in the skin of the Malvinas Islanders that their resentment about argentinian are so high that they cant open their minds to a mature dialogue (with the influence of UK), which words have you to yours piupirls about the “arguments” of the islanders?? I have studied in a Communtity School (with english influence) near BA and they teach me that Malvinas is a British rest of their colonial project, in the high school and in the University the same, that is the real world and dont admit another conclution.
Feb 17th, 2010 - 02:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0FFS, nitrojuan the reason and the only reason the Falkland Islanders want nothing whatsoever to do with Argentina is the way you behave toward them. Mature dialogue, funnily enough that has been offered by the FIG only for Argentina to childishly spurn the offer. This childish attitude of blaming everyone else for problems of your own making is why Argentina is headed down the toilet.
Feb 17th, 2010 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Actually Maria, when the predecessor of Argentina gained independence the Falklands belonged to Spain, so please recheck your facts.
Feb 17th, 2010 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(#55) islander !! the population of Malvinas appr : 3250 but yu say
Feb 17th, 2010 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yu+3000 living in very good conditions......others, where are 249 ??
they migrated from this islands !!?? time the rest ones !?!?!?
everyone know that the malvinas have attractive livings where ::::
smoothly beachs,, sun,, sand ,,sea,,girls,,highways,,first class restaurants
skyscrspers,,windy and warmy climate,,cheap and amply meat,veg,fruit,no tax,,cheap and big houses,,free health system,,job guarantee (pardon no need to work).....
wi are jeaolous of yu !!
Is it the beginning of the End of the British Malvinas? we need UK cross the edge, and do that with the exploration in our waters.
Feb 17th, 2010 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Owl, Dont be so cruel with them, sufficient they have living tormented in a uggly territory that dont belong them.
nitro , these kids don't want to see their realities !
Feb 17th, 2010 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0England is --titanic britanic-- who has overborrowed,leveraged !
insolvent country ! this is their reality !
roberts course, the Falklands belonged to Spain at the time of independence, then to Argentina to independence in 1810 .... then were occupied in 1833 by the British that there had been years ago but finally recognized the sovereignty to Spain . By applying the principle of Utti posidetis uris which recognizes that territorial boundaries are those with the former colonies, the Malvinas are part of our territory .... you do not accept that international principle because it suits them is another matter. ....
Feb 17th, 2010 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0JUSTIN, i thought you were more intelligent, this is evident that you dont have not even one line of objetivity, and you are as ignorant as usuall, a couple of weeks ego i answered you one of your comentarys, where you sugested me to reed from foreign independent media about the soposed true inflation rates of argentina, however you didn't answer me, keep on beleiving that you can find free pres in the rest of the world, and you will just keep on consolidating your ignorance and brane washed.<br /><br />
Feb 17th, 2010 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May be you didn't realise that the media is only funtional to their economic interests, the soposed free press doesent exist eather in argentina, nor in the rest of the world.<br /><br />
My contry is not headed down the toilllet, of course we have many problems, and our goverment made very big mistakes, but i must recognize like me or not that we had also a great progress in many aspects, anyway i dont want another k goverment, your problem is that you just dont like the k, and you are against everything they do, anyway, if it makes you happy, keep on informing your self with articules from clarin and la nacion, or from that soposed free press, being ignorant could also an election of life, but dont talk about my country because this evident that you know just one side of the story, besid you dont live here, and you are ignoring many important facts and i am sure that you dont know not even the half of the good measures took since 2003.
PEOPLE FROM THE MALVINAS-FALKLANDS ISLANDS.
Feb 17th, 2010 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think that all of us (argentines and islanders), must have plane concience of the historic moment that we are living, the islands are the most prosperous place in the world, and i am sure that you want to keep it, because that was got only thank to you own effort, that's why in think that more than ever, both sides must sit and talk about te dispute, our goverment should talk to the islanders, and the f.i.g. must be disposed to discuss about the sovereign dispute, if we dont do it, i think that we are going to have serious problems in the future, i discard totally the possibility of a new war beleive it or not, but if we dont discuss once and for all and find a fair solution for both sides, the progress of both parts will be limited, the argentines can't pretend only the argentine sovereignty on the islands, and the islanders can't pretend neather we to drop on our claim, if we are not smart enough to recognize that we have a dispute, if we dont includ both sides, if we keep on wasting time, we will loss the chance of having more progress for our people, and for the future generations of argentines and islanders.
I KEEP WITH AN EXCELLENT COMMENT THAT RESUME THIS DISPUTE (FROM AN AMERICAN IN A FORUM OF BBC.COM): Added: Wednesday, 17 February, 2010, 22:59 GMT 22:59 UK .
Feb 18th, 2010 - 01:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0”If the Isle of Man was won in a war by Argentina and the people on the Isle of Man considered themselves to be Argentinian would the UK be content to let them be? I don't think anyone would let that stand.
Argentina wants to protect their national interests, which would be taking the Falklands. The UK wants to protect it's national interests.
This goes beyond the Falklands, without the Falklands, the UK has no claims to Antarctica a resource Gold mine in the coming years. Simple.
Ray, North Carolina, US
To the idiotic comment above me: The Falklands have been British for longer than Argentina has existed. It is not a colony but British sovereign territory. All of its inhabitants are British and have been for a long time.
Feb 18th, 2010 - 01:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentina controlled the Isle of man for the last 200 years, and they wanted to be Argentinian, I doubt any British would care. As it stands, that isn't the case. Argentina has no case and they know perfectly well that any act of aggression will lead to their humiliation in war.
The only people who want to talk are the argentinians. The islanders do not want to talk, the british do not want to talk. Why do the argentinians think they can just force the islanders to do what they want? They are willing to take up arms and fight if they have to. There is no negotiation to be had. When they lost in 1982 they agreed on British sovereignty for the Falklands, and now they are breaking that agreement. It would be a shame to have to bomb buenos aires until they get the message.
Feb 18th, 2010 - 01:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is sad that so many Argentinians are brainwashed by their media and bad education system. Before Britain owned the Falklands, the Spanish owned it. It is not yours, it isn't even close to Argentina. The islanders do not want to be Argentinian either; why do you think none of them have applied for dual-nationality? Because they dont like you. Worry about your little 3rd world country and stop wasting the time of the British.
Feb 18th, 2010 - 01:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Really i can found better opinions in BBC.com forum about Malvinas, different is this forum where we can found a resentment kelper limited mind or a stupid new opinion of John that maybe he lives in Greenland.
Feb 18th, 2010 - 03:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0There are a new generation, a new world, XXI Century people!, another american comment in bbc.com:
“If British were that strong will, USA still should have been British Colony.
UK lost all colonies, most recently Hong Kong. Time is coming British will leave Falkland Island also.”
Shahid, Chicago, United States
WE CAN FOUND A LOT OF VOICES AGAINST THE COLONIANILISM IN THIS CENTURY AROUND THE WORLD, THAT WILL BE OUR PROTEST IN THE UN FOREVER BEFORE UK RETURN US OUR MALVINAS (THAT ISNT NATIONALISM THAT IS THE BEST WAY TO THE PRINCIPLE OF INTEGRITY TERRITORIAL AND NOT THE JOKE OF THE “VIRTUAL” SELF DETERMINATION THAT IS EMPTY OF FUNDAMENTS.
#72 ! j. Britons have allergy on Spaniards ??
Feb 18th, 2010 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas !!..Gibraltars !!.. next could be Canary Islands ??
Maria, so why are Uruguay, Paraguay and all the other former parts of the Viceroyalty of the River Plate not part of Argentina today?
Feb 18th, 2010 - 09:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Uruguay and Paraguay were all part of the Viceroyalty and so if the principle of Uti possidetis juris was applied, like you say, and the former colonial boundaries were maintained then surely the former Viceroyalty should have remain intact and there would just be one country?
Please explain why Uruguay, Paraguay and those parts of Peru and Bolivia which used to belong to the Viceroyalty are not part of Argentina.
1774 :: Brits withdrawal from colony
Feb 18th, 2010 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 01776 :: Brits leave plaque to assert claim on abondoned colony
1811 :: Spaniards withdraw from colony
1816 :: United Province of South America's independence from Spain
1820 :: flag of (Un.Prv.of S.Amr) later becomes Argentina ..on islands
1828 :: Argentine settlement colony founded
1831 :: US warships destroy settlement...
1832 :: Argentina sends a governor who killed in mutiny ..
1833 :: Brits Forces come to islands again.....
Roberts .... one thing was that countries “brothers” set their limits at the time of independence .... and quite another is that people across the world, who already had a population, territory and other , come and occupy some islands south of Latin America after Argentina and has sovereignty over them ..... I see where you see a British colony in Latin America where we have an American culture, customs and a common future is like a little out of place ... if you want to compare with what happened with Uruguay and Paraguay, I asked why he never care closer ties with Latin American culture and has nothing to do with Latin America .... . is ovbio who are of more ..... .... your country is england and is very far from here ....
Feb 18th, 2010 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maria, your explanation makes no sense. Something about countries “brothers”? What the is that supposed to mean? You have not explained how the Falklands can be Argentine because of this principle of uti possidetis juris? Whilst you are at it, could you please explain why the Falklands should belong to Argentina when at independence from Spain they were governed out of Montevideo and not BsAs?
Feb 18th, 2010 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say Brits in the South Atlantic are out of place but seem to forget where most Argentines come from.... Europe... Spain... Genoa... etc. Not to mention the Welsh in Chubut etc etc. Argentina is a country of IMMIGRANTS from EUROPE!
What gives you more rights to be in Latin America than the Falkland Islanders? And Falkland Islanders have been there for more generations than any Argentine families who live in Ushuaia, Rio Gallegos and probably most who live in BsAs. You did not even control Patagonia until after the Conquest of the Desert in the 1870s - then Stanley had already been in existence for decades!
And you conveniently forget about Guiana - another ex British colony in South America. I don't ever hear Argentina complaining that Guiana is out of place???
gaucho ! muy bien
Feb 18th, 2010 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0tactics and shams are the “same” in today's Iraq as where in
1831--1832--1833 !
at the front line wrenched,poor American kids ( soldiers)
at the back line cunning Brits Companies ( BP,,Shell,,,...)
also the same in these forums :
at the front line --Chenney Idiots -- American kids like Nicholas ...
at the back line cunning Brits kids like Jas.Arch.Roberts....
Utis Possidetis Juris is a principle of international law agreed between South American states at the Conference of Lima in 1848 to resolve border conflicts between former Spanish colonies. It has only ever been applied between South American states, some African states have adopted it as a principle on a case by case basis.
Feb 18th, 2010 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Application of the principle of Utis Possidetis Juris would confer a claim upon Uruguay not Argentina, since at the time the Spanish abandoned the Falklands they were governed from Montevideo. But heh while let facts get in the way, says Argentina.
Further Utis Possidetis Juris cannot be applied to a dispute with the British, since the British did not subscribe to the Conference of Lima and it is a basic principle of International Law that you cannot hold a country to a convention they did not sign up to.
Similarly International Law is not retrospective, as Argentina would like.
nitrojuan, the only colony Britain “lost” was the 13 states that made up USA in 1776. Every other colony or territory has been developed and then gradually given Independence to its peoples - they make up todays British Commonwealth - and still use and value their traditions of British Law and Justice - and even language in several cases. HongKOng - only a small bit of it was crown british Territory nayway, most was just on a lease from China - and even China allows todays Hong Kong considerable “independence” in how it operates.
Feb 18th, 2010 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, one other thing - where did the first European settlers of Tierra Del Fuego come from,and their livestock?- The Falklands! Where did the first settlers of the Rio Gallegos area come from - and the first sheep? - the Falklands- perhaps we can make a counter claim! Until about 1900 or so what was the currency used in business and language most spoken in Rio Gallegos? - the £sterling and english.
Islander, of course, we are respectful about that people who was part of the fundation of Tierra del Fuego, like Rv.Bridges and his family, John Lawrence, we have the best remembers here in Ushuaia of them, a very beauty inheritance of that was and are Remolino and Haberton Ranch. Maybe was the only good link that we have (the anglican missions), the different was that Rv.Bridges ALWAYS was respectuf about Argentinian sovereignt and thanks to it they worked togheter with the Argentine prefecture. Tierra del Fuego born like Australia with a Prision, Malvinas was going to traverse that destiny (before the brit invasion of 1833) at first, maybe (in spite of that we have thousands of fault) today should be a numerous, prosperous society, without resentments and knowing that you can live in a land that you can manage yourself ( like an autonomous state like BA cause you have differents origins) thats the way that choose those respectables anglican missionaries in TDF and many Welshmen in chubut, NOT TAKING A FOREING LAND WITH FORCE. This year i will return to BA (without visit Stanley, Darwin Cementery) , maybe with the Bitter tasted that in the Austral Patagonia there exists a group of 2500 inhabitants that will not be able to exit of their own dilemma. And if to Ushuaia people associate the end of the world, to Buenos Aires the Tango, London with the Big Ben, Malvinas and their people will be forever associate with Argentina...
Feb 19th, 2010 - 02:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0FROM DE FORUM OF BBC.COM ... EXCELENT !!!!!!
Feb 19th, 2010 - 02:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Added: Thursday, 18 February, 2010, 21:55 GMT 21:55 UK
“I have listened to the brits here saying the majority of the people in the falklands want to remain british,different strokes for different countries,
The majority of the people hong kong wanted to stay british,yous did nothing, The majority of Irish people want there country as one and your still there.The falklands/malvinas is not yours get out”
[masterpaddythedub], Dublin, Ireland
Malvinas next Hong Kong...
Nitrojuan, FYI the majority of HK people did not want to stay British... and the northern Irish counties voted to remain in the UK. <br />
Feb 19th, 2010 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0<br />
Perhaps you should check out the readers recommended comments on that BBC forum. Not so much support for Argentina is there...<br />
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http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?sortBy=2&forumID=7516&edition=2&ttl=20100219101446&#paginator<br />
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Man the pedaloes, chaps, we're off to save the Falklands<br />
Feb 19th, 2010 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0<br />
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1252133/Man-pedaloes-chaps-save-Falklands.html#ixzz0fzPIdfvG<br />
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It's the bitter truth: We couldn't send a task force to the Falklands today<br />
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Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1252133/Man-pedaloes-chaps-save-Falklands.html#ixzz0fzPIdfvG<br
Ricky, don't believe everything you read in the Mail...
Feb 19th, 2010 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0....“jorge ! be careful !!!!!!!!!
Feb 19th, 2010 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0bubba and jason archibald have same mental writing styles !!!!!!!!!”....
Yes pepe, I notice.
Bubba, I don't give a sh*t about what you think of me, ok!
You shoul write your usual crap and let me alone.
....“I just love it when someone who hasn't a clue what he's talking about thinks he knows whats better for you.”....
Justin, that's is talking about you. You have no clue about anything and you think you know what is better for us.
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