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Argentina looking for mainland business links of Falkland oil companies
The Argentine government is looking into the British oil companies involved in the Falkland Islands exploratory drilling operation checking on their possible links to interests in Argentina (and if so the infringement of legislation of Argentine legislation), according to reports in the Buenos Aires press. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesmmm-major international banks and multinational companies - good opportunities for Argentina to shoot itself in both feet - wonder if they will go for it?
Feb 19th, 2010 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well, is in Argentinas interest not to colaborate with the exploitation of the natural resources of the disputed area.
Feb 19th, 2010 - 04:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0The british intransigence to negotiate, is only fighted with more intransigence to colaborate. So i agree with this line, and even more, there should be a total exclusion of our air space for malvinas charter flights, except for humanitarian reasons.
This Attitudes will not help us to recover the islands, but it would be a strong message that we will not colaborate with the colonial enclave that a world power is exploiting as they want and refuse to solve this dispute diplomatically.
May be gordo brown get elected. May be they dont even care what we do but morally, its the only way we can respond to this unilaterally actions.
The Argentine government will have known about these links for a long long time and will be on very dodgy legal ground to start leglisating against these companies after granting them rights to opperate in Argentina. They would also make life very difficult for themselves in the global business market and ths would very quickly make Argentine gilts BBB rated (if they are not already). I imagine that Argentine economists are rolling their eyes at the infantile behaviour of there politicians; such reasoning lacks academic rigour. Again I suspect this story is for domestic consumption to help a politically isolated Argentine leadership. Any Argentine citizen that is really buying this charade and taking this story seriously is at best thick or at worst illiterate.
Feb 19th, 2010 - 08:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Luis, I'm not sure if you have realised yet, but this “strong message” will only end up costing you money and will make absolutely zero difference to your cause. Don't forget, the main potential users of charter flights are the families of the Argentine fallen... Like Islander says, you are doing nothing more than shooting yourselves in the foot - the Falklands can live without direct links to Argentina.
Feb 19th, 2010 - 08:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Man the pedaloes, chaps, we're off to save the Falklands
Feb 19th, 2010 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1252133/Man-pedaloes-chaps-save-Falklands.html#ixzz0fzPIdfvG
It's the bitter truth: We couldn't send a task force to the Falklands today
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1252133/Man-pedaloes-chaps-save-Falklands.html#ixzz0fzPIdfvG
Why does Argentina consider the FI's their rightful territory?
Feb 19th, 2010 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Correct me if I'm wrong but no Argentinians were living on the FI's when France, then Spain, then GB colonised the islands, nor was Argentina a country.
Beef, when a new law come to effect, the companies will have to regulate its situation, that means to sell their participation on those oil companies or to pack their suitcase and leave.
Feb 19th, 2010 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And i remind you im not illiterate, illiterate are those who believe that the 3000 inhabitants of the islands will manage the big oil corporations and profits. illiterate are those who believe they are the liberators of Iraq and Afghanistan. More illiterate are those who give their lives to those acts of piracy. Even more illiterate are those who believe we are wanting a war.
And the most illiterate of all is who think that there is democracy, freedom and selfgovernment in those islands.
J.A. Roberts, you are lying, the main potential users of charter flights are the islanders and not for humanitarian reasons. From one flight a week, they land in Rio Gallegos once a month. So dont make excuses.
One thing its a humanitarian flight of the families of the argentine fallen and another thing are the regular charters to punta arenas.
J.A. Roberts, you seems to have the same problem of Mike Summers, confusing humanitarian flights with business.
John, Argentina was a country from 1810, officially 1816. there was argentine gauchos from the beginning, there are plenty of proof in the internet. in 1825 we had control over those islands and britain recognized our independence in a treaty of friendship without claiming or mentioning about sovereignty of malvinas.
In 1833 the british expelled the remanent of the Argentine colony, creating their own while Argentine protested ever since.
“mmm-major international banks and multinational companies - good opportunities for Argentina to shoot itself in both feet - wonder if they will go for it?”
Feb 19th, 2010 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Will be so wonderful if they do that.
“there was argentine gauchos from the beginning, there are plenty of proof in the internet”
Feb 19th, 2010 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentines gaucho's? laugh...there are more gaycho's than gaucho's in the Republic of che idiots (new name of Argentina)
Luis, I think you don't know the difference between a charter flight and a scheduled flight.
Feb 19th, 2010 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once again, the main potential users for charter flights are the families of the Argentine fallen and possibly tour groups who want to join or leave from cruise liners at the Falklands. I can't think of any other large groups who would want to charter a flight. Even if Argentina blocked the scheduled flights the Falklands could carry on without them. Losing one stop a month at Rio Gallegos is not going to make much of a difference and LAN does not have to overfly Argentine territory to reach the Falklands.
Britain did not mention the Falklands in the 1825 treaty because it did not have to. As far as Britain was concerned the Falklands were British territory, so why mention them? Anyway, the 1825 treaty does not define Argentina's borders so you can just as easily argue that Argentina did not mention the Falklands because it knew they belonged to Britain.
The Argentine colony was not expelled from the Falklands in 1833. Only the officers. The rest of the people were persuaded by the British to stay. Please get your facts right.
Nicholas, Did you ever commented here without insulting Argentina, you stupid bitch????
Feb 19th, 2010 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why don't you get into an airplane and crash it (you inside) like the other guy who was angry about the taxes???
If you do that, this word would be a better one!
LAN has to use argentine air space to reach Malvinas. Otherwise, they would have to take a very long and expensive route to the south.
It is funny to read how some british idiots try to justify something that doesn't have justification.
The main user of LAN flights are the islanders. They go to B.A. or Santiago and Pta. Arenas in Chile to make business and shopping. We just have to cut off these flights.
Also, overfish the area and burn possible oil drigs.
40 years of empty threats, bullying behaviour and mendacious stupidity and they think more of the same may achieve results. Mmmm....
Feb 19th, 2010 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Asshole? You would be an expert, seeing as thats what you talk out of.
Feb 20th, 2010 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Jorge<br />
Feb 20th, 2010 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0<br />
“LAN has to use argentine air space to reach Malvinas” <br />
Oh really? So what about the “very long and expensive route to the south”? They don't have to overfly Argentina, and if the economics stack up there is no reason why they should.<br />
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“The main user of LAN flights are the islanders”<br />
Once again. You confuse scheduled flights with charter flights. You OBVIOUSLY can't tell the difference. YOU started off talking about CHARTER flights! Slow down and read properly Jorge because then you might be able to answer without looking like such fool.
Even better Jorge. LAN has a right to fly from Punta Arenas out to the Falklands through the Straits of Magellan. An even shorter route than via Gallegos.
Feb 20th, 2010 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.un.org/Depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/part3.htm
JAR, LAN needs use argentina air space to fly from Pta Arenas to the rest of Chile, like AEROLINEAS needs use chilean air space to fly from Ushuaia/ Rio Grande (above the Magallanian Strait) . BUT DONT FORGET THAT LAN use argentina air space to fly to Malvinas, using Rio Gallegos stop or not, and if islanders is the main user they could lost the only link to the islands, so dont give to our governtment good new ideas.
Feb 20th, 2010 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And the only link that the relatives of the young conscripts, whose corpses you left to rot in the islands rather than allow them to be returned to their families, can use to visit the graves of their loved ones.
Feb 20th, 2010 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, the Lan Chile link is not vital to the islands but its important to some Argentines, not that you care.
Justin, our heroes could be remember in the heart of each Argentinian, in all the country we have monuments of them. Air Seychelles more expensive to islander, like the all their life in short term, the new cost of remaining british.
Feb 20th, 2010 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Luis/Jorge, I am glad Justin fionally got you to realise the difference between charter and sceduled flights! YUO banned charter flights back in 2003 - that was why your war families have to come on the scheduled flight.YOU banned all charter flights. Actually yes it is a bit more expensive direct to UK - BUT it is only 18hours direct flight instead of nearly 24 hours flight taking 2 days and hotel costs, and we have luggage allowance of 55kilos - so maybe not so bad eh? And Nitro - you have a very different thought to what your war families themselves do - I have met some and they really appreciate being able to come here - as do many of your soldier veterans - to help them get over psycological battle stress - same as the british ones do. All that would stop. Also as it is an International scheduled route it would just earn Arg further discredit internationally - and not really affect us.
Feb 21st, 2010 - 01:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nitro, perhaps you should read the link I put up.
Feb 22nd, 2010 - 07:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0UNCLOS: Signed and ratified by Argentina. LAN or any other airline or aircraft has the right to fly in or out through the Magellan Straits and there is nothing Argentina can do about it...
....“LAN has a right to fly from Punta Arenas out to the Falklands through the Straits of Magellan.”.....
Feb 22nd, 2010 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You fool!, Once they get through magallanes straits, they will be overflying argentine waters. We control that.
....“LAN or any other airline or aircraft has the right to fly in or out through the Magellan Straits and there is nothing Argentina can do about it...”....
You could bet, if Argentina wants to do somethig, it would do it.
Islander, what you say could work for you some time you know, but I think you are intelligent enough to realize that you can't sustain your economy for ever without talking to us.
Jorge, let me help you. You obviously have not looked at the link I put in above (#15). Here, I'll give it to you again. Please take a look at and I suggest you read it:
Feb 22nd, 2010 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.un.org/Depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/part3.htm
In case you can't be arsed to read it I'll sum it up for you in simple terms: UNCLOS was signed and ratified by Argentina. Under UNCLOS the Magellan Straits are “Straits used for International Navigation”. It is true that a vessel or aircraft passing out of the Straits to the east will enter or overfly Argentine waters but that makes absolutely FA difference. Any boat or plane has the right under UNCLOS to do exactly that. Pass through the Straits, through/across Argentine waters and on to wherever it's going.
Of course Argentina can do something and stop boats/planes using the Straits to get to the Falklands, but then you would be tearing up a very important international treaty - and I thought Argentina didn't do that sort of thing any more...
Yep, thats correct, then there is the right of innocent passage ie you can't tax shipping for simply passing by. Unless Argentina is planning on taking piracy up again.
Feb 22nd, 2010 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't put UN links that UK does not respect. UN call for negotiations to end the dispute and UK ignores it. So my little friend, Does Argentina need to respect a body that UK does not???? Think about it, you little arrogant.
Feb 22nd, 2010 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ohhh no look who's talking about piracy???? This is an updown world!
Jorge, please don't confuse talks to end a dispute with talks to hand over the Islands. Two different things. The UK has always been available for talks to resolve the dispute.
Feb 22nd, 2010 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does Argentina need to respect the UN. No, not if you don't want to. It has not stopped you in the past...
....“The UK has always been available for talks to resolve the dispute.”....
Feb 22nd, 2010 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bullshit!!!!! you always talk that we must talk without preconditions and you are the ones who introduce “islander wishes” as one of them. Islander wishes is a precondition!!!!! You are confused!
No, actually, “Islander wishes” and self determination comes from several UN resolutions...
Feb 23rd, 2010 - 06:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0And talks without preconditions, Argentina's usual precondition is that talks are about transfer of sovereignty, like it was a foregone conclusion.
Feb 23rd, 2010 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry but no.
I wonder if UN Secretary general asked Taina today -“just why did you walk away in 2007 from talks with UK over oil, fisheries etc etc that had been going on for many years”? Now just who wont talk to who?<br />
Feb 25th, 2010 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jorge, of course we will do far better if we can trade and have links with you- and you with us,Hopefully one day we will, but there is a price we are not prepared to pay - trading in our homeland.<br />
You country took it away from us in 1982 for a few weeks, it will be a generation or two before that is forgotten. As a friend commented to me when we met -in freedom - on the streets of Stanley 15th June 1982 -“You just don,t appreciate what freedom is - until someone comes in and takes it away at the point of a gun”.<br />
OK that was military government - but still the Govt of your country - and as yet I have never heard a democratic Arg Govt formally publicy apologise to us for what happened? Like it or not many of us remember that time - and we have not forgiven your country for it - particularily when your Govt still noisily claims our homeland and birthright.
islander you have to change your “wishes” with “ reality ”, the problem is your people need GOOD & REAL FUNDAMAMENTS to do that, lamentably you dont have it.
Feb 25th, 2010 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I want to give an offer to your people (before Arg. close the only link with the continent) , but i feel nobody is prepared to it...
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