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Falklands: UK willing to talk with Argentina but not sovereignty; Taiana at UN
The United Kingdom said on Tuesday it was willing to re-open talks with Argentina but not on Falkland Islands sovereignty or the development by the Islanders of a hydrocarbons industry. The statement came on the eve of a meeting of Argentina’s Foreign minister Jorge Taiana with UN Secretary General Ban Ki Moon. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesChris Bryant says what I've been saying all along. No Latin American is in a position to lecture the British or anyone else that the Falkland Islanders cannot have the right of self-determination because they are a planted colonial population and not indigenous. What are the Latin Americans but a population descended from imported colonial Conquistadors and - in the case of Argentina - Italian adventurers who migrated there in the late 19th century? In that neighbourhood, only Bolivia has an indigenous head of state.
Feb 24th, 2010 - 06:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0and self determination of the island of Diego Garcia? its inhabitants were expelled like dogs to make a U.S. base, and of course because they were white. and the UK there is only self-determination for the white Anglo-Saxons. hypocritical. Argentina was already a recognized nation by England when he was usurped by his legal dominion over the islands. Argentina was already a nation and everyone (whites, blacks, Indians were Argentines. in our country, racial differences were never fierce Anglo-Saxon countries, all citizens equally long)
Feb 24th, 2010 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Totally agree with the comment about Diego Garcia, what the British Government did there was totally wrong. The High Court in the UK agreed. Given half a chance the FCO would have done exactly the same to the Falkland Islanders. The difference is not race but down to the fact that the Falkland Islanders organised an effective Parliamentary lobby group that stymied FCO plans to sell them out. So tell me, are you advocating the same for the Falkland Islanders, as that only make you a hypocrite.
Feb 24th, 2010 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Britain not England, its only one of four nations in the UK. And to claim that Argentina was some sort of utopian paradise where all races mixed freely is far from the truth. Spanish colonies were marked by a strict racially profiled social strata and Argentina was no different, there were still slaves in Argentina at the time (Vernet took slaves to the Falklands), the indigenous peoples of Argentina were persecuted and you could still claim a bounty for Mapuche ears till the 20th Century. Then there is the small matter of using “creoles” as cannon fodder in the War of the Triple Alliance.
All citizens equal? I guess some were more equal than others. You might also like to consider Argentina's repuation throughout South America for being rude and arrogant.
Argentina a racial paradise? What a load of BS! Yea, maybe between Italo-, Hispano-, Anglo-, Germano-Argentines etc but the natives still get treated like shyte - even today:
Feb 24th, 2010 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://tinyurl.com/yjnuety
And you were still killing them off in the mid 1920s
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2 smartio - Argentina was recongised as independent by Britain at an early stage, but could not claim legal ownership of the Islands, because Spain - which owned Port Louis - did not recognise Argentina as independent until 1859, and was only ever in adverse possession of Port Louis for too short a time for title to pass by prescription. President Kirchner sounds so hurt by Anglo-colonialism which she regards as a threat, but what is so right about Hispanic? She has a maiden name which suggests she is descended from an older colonial threat, and is President of a country which owes its existence to the materialisation of that threat. Argentina colonially occupies, to its north-west, a part of the indigenous Inca state of Tawantinsuyu, which Mrs Kirchner's Spanish ancestors plundered of its gold as they stole its land. When the heads of these artificial conquistador regimes line up for photos in alphabetical order, and Mrs Kirchner stands beside the President of Bolivia, it is easy to see who is the American, and who the European interloper.
Feb 24th, 2010 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Smartio- Funny you should mention Diego Garci Smartio, aren't many of your amigos advocating the same thing on the islands?
Feb 24th, 2010 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And for the record, you would be hard pressed to find a UK citizen who was not disgusted by the whole affair over diego Garcia.
the difference here is that it is disgusting that I have come across in my time Argentine citizens in it's supposedly democratic era, who tacitly advocate what amounts to ethnic cleansing on the Islands, whereas the UK has come to terms with it's colonial past....Argentina has not and is still adovocating an imperialist agenda over the Falklands and other British territories.
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Feb 24th, 2010 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kirchener to my knowlegde is a german name....hmm no surprise there about the whole nationalism thing then, and the whole irredentist claims to lands based on dubious historical accuracy ;)
7Rhaurie-Craughwell - Kirchner is the President's married name. Her husband is descended from Swiss and Croatian colonists which the Conquistadors planted in America to consolidate their regime. She herself has a Spanish name and is descended from the Conquistadors. There's not a drop of indigenous blood in her.
Feb 24th, 2010 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like 90% of Argentina, it is by far the most white country in Latin America due to the massive Genocide by Rosas, many Argentinian scholars suffer collective ammenesia over this issue, as have quite a few of the not very indigenous looking heads of state in Latin America.
Feb 24th, 2010 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The right to self-determination does not apply to the town LAS MALVINAS, a population because they are grafted, as well recognized by the UN in several resolutions .... in 1833 when they settled by force in the Falklands, there was the Nacion Argentina .... no denying the fact that the “settlers” want to be British, that is fine, then take a plane and safe living in England who treated them very well ..... but the territory they occupy no theirs ....
Feb 24th, 2010 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and having no solid arguments is easier criricar the Argentine government or the president and that is not the subject of the dispute, plus the Falklands claim is a constitutional mandate, and Argentina has always claimed their rights, regardless of who their president.
If UK has “no doubt about their sovereignty over the Falkland Islands”, Why they don t want to talk about it with Argentina?, or in international forums? May be the arguments they have are weaker than the say.
Feb 24th, 2010 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 09 = Kirchner is a Swiss - Croat from Ushuaia
Feb 24th, 2010 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@11 Willy.
Feb 24th, 2010 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain does have no dount about its sovereignty, for instance when Argentina first claimed South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands as the Falkland Islands Dependencies, the UK offered to take the dispute to the ICJ. Argentina refused three times.
In 1981, as a way out of the stalemate in the talks over the Falkland Islands Britain suggested the dispute be referred there in 1983. We all know what happened in 1982.
Britain is prepared to talk to Argentina, Argentina however seeks to impose the precondition on any talks that Britain transfers sovereignty to Argentina. Argentina makes a great noise about wanting talks but only when it gets its way.
There was speculation in the press that Argentina would go to the Hague, as I confidently predicted at the time, they didn't. So who is confident about their case? Argentina doesn't want it examined in any forum capable of delivering a definitive and impartial judgement on its “merits”.
And mbc, seeing as virtually the entire population of Argentina is implanted in land seized from its indigenous peoples, try applying your own racist argument to yourself. Clearly Argentines don't, by your argument, enjoy the right to self-determination. That simple reductio ad absurdum demonstrates the fallacy of that argument. No doubt that will be different as the indigenous peoples weren't a recognised “state” which only goes to show the hubris and hypocrisy of the Argentine position.
And again there was no force whatsoever used in 1833, the garrison was simply politely asked to leave and contrary to what Argentina now claims, the population was not expelled.
Nor has Argentina always claimed the Falklands, the matter was settled in 1850 only for it to be revived in the 1880s at a time when Argentina was engaged in a rapid acquistion of territory through its genocidal “Conquest of the Desert”. Its been revived periodically, most recently by Palacios and his equally mad bunch of Nazi cronies who saw themselves as the New Conquistadores in the mould of Hitler and Mussolini. Almost everything Argentina claims about the Falklands is a lie or a half-truth.
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From a post (not mine) earlier this week;
Historically they have no claim at all - they have never lived there, did not discover it first as maiden land, colonized it, owned, controlled nor set up any administration there. Argentina was formed around 1816. The UK discovered it in the 1600s and UK citizens lived there since the 1700s.
Lets look at the legals, predominantly “The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea” - a charter ratified by Argentina and Britain. The salient ones are Articles 17, 18, 24 and 26.
“The continental shelf of a coastal State comprises the seabed and subsoil of the submarine areas that extend beyond its territorial sea throughout the natural prolongation of its land territory to the outer edge of the continental margin, or to a distance of 200 nautical miles from the baselines from which the breadth of the territorial sea is measured where the outer edge of the continental margin does not extend up to that distance”
The part of the Falkand Islands closest to Argentina lies some 300 nautical miles (480 kilometres) from its coastline. Result=no legal claim.
“Ships of all States, whether coastal or land-locked, enjoy the right of innocent passage through the territorial sea”
Result=blocking us means breaking international law.
”the coastal State shall not:(a) impose requirements on foreign ships which have the practical effect of denying or impairing the right of innocent passage; or (b) discriminate in form or in fact against the ships of any State or against ships carrying cargoes to, from or on behalf of any State. No charge may be levied upon foreign ships by reason only of their passage through the territorial sea“
Result=forcing a permit means breaking international law.
Article 77:
”The coastal State exercises over the continental shelf sovereign rights for the purpose of exploring it and exploiting its natural resources...“
Article 81:
”The coastal State shall have the exclusive right to authorize and regulate drilling on the continental shelf for all purposes”
Conclusion: The UK can drill what it wants and doesn't owe Argentina one drop of oil revenue.
Legally they have little to challenge. They read that agreement, agreed it and signed it.
Mr. Chris Welsh Bryant= Weak boy and idiot too... without knowledge about Latin American.
Feb 24th, 2010 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 13 JustinKuntz .<br />
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If your comments are right, why the ONU resolution 2065 speaks about colonialism? (you have here a part of this document)<br />
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” Considering that resolution 1514 (XV), of December 14, 1960, was inspired in the longed intention of putting end to the colonialism everywhere and in forms, in one of which there is fitted the case of the Falkland Islands”<br />
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In reference to your comment about “Campaña del desierto” , the UK is not a good example when we talk about human rights, we can have a lot of examples worldwide of bloody colonialism in the past.<br />
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Uk never wants to talk about sovereignty because they know that in the diplomatic way, they will lose. <br />
No problem about that, the world is changing and the power will be redistributed in different way. We can wait all the necessary time to have the Islas Malvinas back, because we have a big country, and we don t need more space.<br />
But yesterday I was surprised hearing Lula speaking about this issue. Is strange that the UK said “don’t worried about it”. They will be noticed that Argentina with the support of the rest of Latin American and Caribe countries will have a very strong diplomatic action, which is the most difficult for UK to repel.<br />
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UN Resolution 2065 in full.
Feb 24th, 2010 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UN Resolutions
Resolution 2065 (XX)
Question of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas)
16 December 1965
The General Assembly,
Having examined the question of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas),
Taking into account the chapters of the reports of the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples relating to the Falkland Islands (Malvinas), and in particular the conclusions and recommendations adopted by the Committee with reference to that Territory,
Considering that its resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 was prompted by the cherished aim of bringing to an end everywhere colonialism in all its forms, one of which covers the case of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas),
Noting the existence of a dispute between the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland concerning sovereignty over the said Islands,
1. Invites the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to proceed without delay with the negotiations recommended by the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples with a view to finding a peaceful solution to the problem, bearing in mind the provisions and objectives of the Charter of the United Nations and of General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) and the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas);
2. Requests the two Governments to report to the Special Committee and to the General Assembly at its twenty-first session on the results of the negotiations.
Where does it say that “we support Argentina, hand over the islands?” It doesn't. It merely notes that Argentina disputes British sovereignty and invites both countries to sort it out.
The Falklands were only ever listed as a colony back in 1947, because the UK listed them as a colony. The world has moved on since 1965, the Falklands have received a long overdue devolution of power.
UN Resolution 1514 in full
UN Resolutions
Resolution 1514 (XV)
Declaration on the granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples.
14 December 1960
The General Assembly,
Mindful of the determination proclaimed by the peoples of the world in the Charter of the United Nations to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small and to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,
Conscious of the need for the creation of conditions of stability and well-being and peaceful and friendly relations based on respect for the principles of equal rights and self-determination of all peoples, and of universal respect for, and observance of, human rights and fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language or religion,
Recognising the passionate yearning for freedom in all dependent peoples and the decisive role of such peoples in the attainment of their independence,
Aware of the increasing conflicts resulting from the denial of or impediments in the way of the freedom of such peoples, which constitute a serious threat to world peace,
Considering the important role of the United Nations in assisting the movement for independence in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories,
Recognising that the peoples of the world ardently desire the end of colonialism in all its manifestations,
Convinced that the continued existence of colonialism prevents the development of international economic co-operation, impedes the social, cultural and economic development of dependent peoples and militates against the United Nations ideal of universal peace,
Affirming that peoples may, for their own ends, freely dispose of their natural wealth and resources without prejudice to any obligations arising out of international economic co-operation, based upon the principle of mutual benefit, and international law,
Believing that the process of liberation is irresistible and irreversible and that, in order to avoid serious crises, an end must be put to colonialism and all practices of segregation and discrimination associated therewith,
Welcoming the emergence in recent years of a large number of dependent territories into freedom and independence, and recognizing the increasingly powerful trends towards freedom in such territories which have not yet attained independence,
Convinced that all peoples have an inalienable right to complete freedom, the exercise of their sovereignty and the integrity of their national territory,
Solemnly proclaims the necessity of bringing to a speedy and unconditional end colonialism in all its forms and manifestations;
And to this end Declares that:
1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.
2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.
3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.
4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.
5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.
6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and their territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.
7. All States shall observe faithfully and strictly the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the present Declaration on the basis of equality, non-interference in the internal affairs of all States, and respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity. #
Nowhere in any of those documents does it say that the rights of the Falkland Islanders are of no importance whatsoever, just ignore them and hand the islands over to a nation that had been and continues to be overtly hostile to the islands' population.
UK will only talk about transfer of sovereignty to Argentina, if and only if the population of the islands request it. Resolution 2065 does not require Britain to create a colonial situation by transfer to Argentina since that would be “The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.”
And if the Argentina case holds water, why haven't you gone to the Hague, why does Argentina avoid the ICJ or any forum that can give a defintive judgement.
No Britain isn't afraid to talk and if Argentina is so unafraid why does it attach preconditions to any talks, and why when the islanders sought dialogue does Argentina refuse to talk to them.
The descendants of Portuguese colonists, supporting the descendants of Spanish colonists against the rights of English speaking peoples is purely based on blood ties and naked racism.
Oh and as reported above, Argentina's claims of unanimous “support” don't quite stack up do they?
And yes there are shameful incidents in the history of the British Empire, in the past, it doesn't exist any more. So why does a supposedly democratic Argentina, that is a big country that doesn't need more space still pursuing a completely illogical irredentists 200 year old sovereignty claim? Why is Argentina seeking to impose colonial rule over the Falklands?
Please let's tell the truth. The truth is that UK wants the malvinas for the geographical position of access to south america and in the future for access to the antartida. In the malvinas there live 2500 persons that it is the same quantity of people who lives in one block of the downtown Buenos Aires. UK don t worry about the islanders, it is only an excuse. If in the future for example USA ór the same UK need the falklands without people, for any reason, UK will move the people to other place, in the same way that they do with Diego Garcia.
Feb 24th, 2010 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All Argentina people (about 40MM) have no doubt about our sovereignty over the Falkland Islands.
May be in the future, when Argentina will grow and the region will be powerfull than now, the situation will be different.
We only have to wait.
All Europeans who sent to the Americas went, generally, as explorers. Only the Spanish and the Portuguese were ever known, additionally, as Conquistadors. The term, when rendered into English, is left untranslated. A Conquistador is what an explorer becomes when he encounters an indigenous population which has something he wants but isn't willing to trade for. Now, how can the artificial Conquistador regimes of Latin America have a legitimate claim to anything. Transkei didn't.
Feb 24th, 2010 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Beloved Argentina, you have to remain strong and grow despite all this british dirty mouth wich insult you!!!!!!!
Feb 24th, 2010 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0....“UK will only talk to Argentina if islanders want to”.....
THIS IS WHAT I CALL A PRE-CONDITION.
For other british ignorants who talk about people in patagonia; I live here and you know nothing. Patagonian people is very aware about what Juan Manuel de Rosas did in these lands. We hate him!!!!!!
So, don't talk crap anymore.
This is for that idiot who said argentines suffer amnessia.
I see that the slavering hysterical masses in South America have made such an impact that the UN doesn't see fit to report the issue.<br />
Feb 24th, 2010 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0<br />
Willy Are you simple? why the hell would we need the Falklands for Access to South America? Seriously why on earth would we try and access the continent 8,000 miles from all the major financial and urban centers???? You better get a refund on those neurons from your mum, they ain't doing their job properly!
And what of Antartica? why do we want it, or better question why do you want it?
the real number is 3,500, and it's growing by 10% every year, and if the oil boom comes, you can expect alot more than 3,500 people willy, alot more. Anyway when did how much people a territory contained dictate ownership? Apart from making bullying alot easier.....
The UK do worry about the Islanders, it's comes with the obligation of democratic governments, the most visible example is the military deterrant force at Mt Pleasent, just to make sure you lot don't play silly buggers again :)
The old Diego Garcia routine eh? how tedious? Look up your facts Senor willy, there is not a citizen in the UK who didn't think the whole affair was a disgusting act of treachory to people who looked to us for protection.
Why prey would they wish to move them? Pure speculation on your behalf, based on your irrational hatred of the British.
1. Unlike diego Garcia, the islands are big.
2. It would contravene UK human rights law.
3. Americans have better Airbases elsewhere.
4. There is already an Airbase there.
5. We can't contravene Falklands law, as they run the show, except defence and Foreign affairs, it's their country, their land, their nation.
6. The Falklanders have a very vocal pressure group in the UK parliament.
7. The Falklanders are full British citizens.
8. The commonwealth fully support the Falklanders.
9.It would give Argentina the biggest propaganda victory since Madonna played evita.
Rub your brain cells together and you will notice Gibraltar, Bermuda, Germany, Cyprus, Belize, Brunei all have sizeable military garrisons and naval bases yet have not required the expulsion of any civillian population.
So now you speak on behalf of the 40 million people of Argentina?- From what i've seen and heard, there are sizeable numbers of people in Argentina who do not agree that the Falklands are Argentina's and another sizeable proportion who don't care. rumor has it this number runs into the millions!
Your power has been and gone, peaked in 1982, as did your military bargaining chip. The likely hood is that Argentina like most other countries will fracture of into different states, I hear Patagonia is quite resentful of Buenos Aires rule.
You know they (Patagonia) have 80% of all Argentina's natural resources, but only 5% of the population, a situation very similar to the Falklands,
what would happen if they started getting funny ideas from Falklands oil revenues?
Then Jorge if you hate him and know what he did, why do you continually cry foul over the Falklands.
Feb 24th, 2010 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why do accuse them of being colonists, why do say they aren't entitled to human rights.
The whole position of Argentina is based upon hypocrisy admit it, what right does a majority white european people, have to accuse another white european people of colonialism....
....“Unlike diego Garcia, the islands are big.”....
Feb 24th, 2010 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is a matter of size now.
....“The Falklanders are full British citizens.”....
And you denied them that until 1983 uh!
.....“The commonwealth fully support the Falklanders.”....
Some of them don't do it.
....“It would give Argentina the biggest propaganda victory since Madonna played evita.”....
If you had lived here during those times, you wouldn't say so, you poor educated.
.....“So now you speak on behalf of the 40 million people of Argentina?- From what i've seen and heard, there are sizeable numbers of people in Argentina who do not agree that the Falklands are Argentina's and another sizeable proportion who don't care. rumor has it this number runs into the millions!”......
Rumors???????? what, british rumors??? Please!
......“The likely hood is that Argentina like most other countries will fracture of into different states, I hear Patagonia is quite resentful of Buenos Aires rule.”.....
Its more likely that happens to UK rather than Argentina. I live in Patagonia and we are not resentful of B.A. rule. In case you don't, Kirchners are from Patagonia. Get informed before talking too much nonsense.
.....”You know they (Patagonia) have 80% of all Argentina's natural resources, but only 5% of the population, a situation very similar to the Falklands,
what would happen if they started getting funny ideas from Falklands oil revenues?”.....
Uffff! could you stop talking so much crap????? We (patagonian people) are proudly argentines and hate your imperialism and arrogance.
.....“why do accuse them of being colonists, why do say they aren't entitled to human rights.”.....
They are so. They have human rights like us, but those are our lands. We want what is our. We don't want to make them our slaves. We don't want to take them away their properties, just recognise those are our lands. We want to see our flag waving there, not the british one. Islanders have their rights to live there, not the british. GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!
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Feb 24th, 2010 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok, justin let me tell you why you get all wrong.
The people that came here (europeans among others) they chose their fate (let me remind you that the majority fo the argentinian population is italian descendant not Spanish), not like Malvina's actual population, they are just brits descendants that want to remain brits.
Our self determination right was well applyed, in fact as you may know we still have indians living peacefully in their lands.
With respect of the “impartial Court of Hague”: Knowing what UK was and still is (world power with strong political managment)
Do you really think it's impartial? It's quite obvious it's not, and so is the response, inmediately Argentina refuses.
No need to put in question our arguments of sovereignty, they are solid as a rock. The war was a tragedy, and you were thrilled to get into it.
about the preconditions...both contries put preconditions. But bottomline, UK does not want to “talk” not about sovereignty. The malvinas administrated by UK are still UK. Don't you see? put the name that you wish, but you'll realize that is just a colony.
So...don't try to confuse things, principally because you know sh** about us.
Stop and think about it argies, why the hell would the people of the Falklands want to be part of the third world? Your country sucks!!! Thant's right, I'm not being politically correct by saying that but it's true. Whatever you do or say, you will never get the Falklands back, or what are you going to do? Cry all over the British? Do you guys want another ass beating? That's why you guys are TERCERMUNDISTAS, because you never learn your lessons. Comprende???? Muchas gracias por su atencion...
Feb 24th, 2010 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Juan, sorry the UK does NOT and has NOT Admisinistrated the Islands for several decades now! We have our own fully el;ected legislature whose members are the ONLY people with a vote in our Government - the Governor does NOT have a vote. Everything to do with life and Laws inside the Islands - and in our economic area offshore - is 100% under the control of the elected legislature - NOT UK. Very sorry but this is a simple fact. UK only has responsibility for Defence amd Foreign Affairs - but even in these areas it only acts with the support of the legislature - it does not nor would do anything against the wishes.
Feb 24th, 2010 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any oil or gas found offshore belongs 100% to the Islands Govt - not UK.
to see people who say the nation of Argentina is implemented .... tell me where else in the world existed or exists a country called Argentina .... a state consists of population, territory and people who Each country is unique and is formed by the common solidarity and Argentina in the nation was formed so the people ... not come from any other country, not Spanish came and called “Spain” to the country, not Italians came and called “ italia ”to this country ... all these people formed a new nation called Argentina, which had Sobranie over the islands since 1810 .... only British came in 1933 and seized a part of our territory according to them England is ....
Feb 24th, 2010 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0to see people who say the nation of Argentina is implemented .... tell me where else in the world existed or exists a country called Argentina .... a state consists of population, territory and people who Each country is unique and is formed by the common solidarity and Argentina in the nation was formed so the people ... not come from any other country, not Spanish came and called “Spain” to the country, not Italians came and called “ italia ”to this country ... all these people formed a new nation called Argentina, which had Sobranie over the islands since 1810 .... only British came in 1933 and seized a part of our territory according to them England is ....
Feb 24th, 2010 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 024Juan - (1) When Evo Morales was inaugurated as the first indigenous President of Bolivia in 2006, he described his presidency as marking a new era, and that the 500 years of colonialism were now at an end. In 2006. Not in 1816. It's immaterial that the people who came to Argentina came of their own free will. Though most of them are the descendants of Italians imported in the late 19th century, though some of them are Anglo-Argentines, others are Patagonian Welsh, or were Germans like Dr Joseph Mengele, Adolf Eichmann and Hans-Ulrich Rudel, all of them became virtual Conquistadors as soon as they set foot on American soil. (2) I have to challenge you on your point that the British were 'thrilled' to go to war. We aren't obsessed with our overseas territories, and when Argentina invaded the Falklands hardly anyone in the UK knew where they were. You have to understand the British character. We're a peaceable friendly people, but we are one of perhaps only two or three nations in Europe which still has a martial spirit. If a fascist military dictator wages a Dirty War against his own nation, then invades British territory and deprives British people of their freedoms and democratic institutions, he can guarantee that the British will fight to liberate them and will do so to the highest standards of soldiering. Captain Gavin Hamilton was a special forces officer who engaged the enemy against overwhelming odds, in order to enable his signaller to escape. He was killed, but the Argentine commanding officer was so impressed by his courage that he had him buried with full military honours. And after he surrendered he asked for Captain Hamilton tobe decorated for his actions, as he was the most courageous man he had ever seen.
Feb 24th, 2010 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Willy no the British Government is not in the least bit interested about “access” to South America. The FCO spent most of the '60s and '70s trying to offload the islands onto Argentina, they devoted the minimal resources to the Falklands and were winding down the Antarctic Survey, which is what encouraged the miltary Junta to invade among other reason; they though they'd get away with it.
Feb 24th, 2010 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What does the opinion of 40M Argentines about the Falklands have to do with it, 60M Brits right now don't give two hoots about Argentina, so just because you indoctrinate your children from an early age means squat.
No Jorge that isn't a precondition, a precondition is demanding we only talk about your agenda. Britain has always accepted talks without preconditions, it just won't discuss sovereignty without the consent of the islanders.
And Jorge, the comments about Patagonia, don't lecture the British about 19th Century morality, Argentina doesn't hold the moral high ground in that respect.
And I see Juan is still finding excuses why Argentina won't go to the Hague. You lost the Beagle Channel case, you're about to lose the pulp mills dispute with Uruguay, let me guess its because the court is biased not that Argentina's case doesn't hold water. Yeah right.
The Falklands are not administed by the UK, can't you get that through your thick skulls? The Falkland Islanders govern themselves.
Britih press today is completely out of the point... all they talk about is OIL. Thy´re bassically are saying: ”Yes, may be we´ll have to talk with them (Argentina) ; we are ready for that; all we want is to be able to take the OIL, or at least an important part of it“...
Feb 24th, 2010 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I almost feel sorry for the ”falklanders“, they deserve more after all their loyalty to UK... And believe I mean it, it´s not an irony.
Malvinas are our land, and all argentine people know that we will get it back sooner or later. As I repeteadly said, it´s not an oil thing for us... It´s just our land, and we want it back.
At least there are people commentaries in a different sense... good for them; they are mostly missinformed but at least show some kind of honour and loyalty.
But some of then ... I would be ashamed if I were brit:
”Ronald Hudson wrote:
I was involved in the Falkland campaign in 1982 and can see no reason for further conflict with Argentinia.
To me it would make sense to acknowledge that the Falkland islands belong to Argentina in return for leasing the islands for 99 years as was the case with Hong Kong.
This arrangement would settle the ownership of the islands and allow Argentina to get a share of the oil revenue as part of the lease arrangement. After 99 years have passed there would be no oil left anyway and no reason to fight.
We are too poor a country to start yet more wars when we cannot afford the ones we already have.
February 24, 2010 5:46 PM GMT” (TIMESONLINE)
.....“Britain has always accepted talks without preconditions, it just won't discuss sovereignty without the consent of the islanders.”.....
Feb 24th, 2010 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The consent of the islanders is a precondition.
You put the islanders there. You are responsible to put YOUR people there and of course they feel they are british.
Tomorrow, Russia coulb invade ST Elena and put russian people there and claim self-determination, would you agree with that????? Hypocryte.
Justin talks about idoctrinated children. May be he is talking about children of Malvinas who do not study the war that took place in their own roads. They only know what their parents told them. That's what young people says there.
Feb 24th, 2010 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who put the Argentines there Jorge?
Feb 24th, 2010 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Expert on Falklands youth Jorge? When did you last visit.
I just found a document called “Getting it right: the real history of the
Feb 24th, 2010 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Falklands/Malvinas” http://www.falklandshistory.org/gettingitright.pdf
Very, very, very interesting! It has detail about diplomatic history I haven't seen anywhere else.
Michael, that Pascoe and Pepper doc makes uncomfortable reading for most Argentines and invariably leads to an “attack is the best form defence” strategy... so cue lots of shouting “malvinas fueron, son y serán siempre argentinas” and other equally vacuous statements, peppered with a few personal insults.
Feb 24th, 2010 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, indeed, 36JARoberts, and the text is available in Spanish as well. Very scholarly and packed with footnoted references to many sources, including the leading Argentine historian on the Islands. Interesting, that the Argentine claim to the Falkland Islands was artificially revived in the 1930s by Alfredo Palacios (1880-1965), the eccentric Argentine politician with Nazi connections. He was founding President of the “Junta de Recuperación de las Malvinas”.
Feb 25th, 2010 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The Falklands are not administed by the UK, can't you get that through your thick skulls? The Falkland Islanders govern themselves.”
Feb 25th, 2010 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah sure...c'mon Justin you can do better than that. FIG will allways need greatter nation to take care of your back, in this case the UK, there's no way you could administer yourselves not even talking about evolving. Argentina will claim what its theirs forever and ever untill getting it back. Picture it, seriously there's no future for you not in your condition.
let me explain why Argentina wants malvinas back:
Feb 25th, 2010 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0very simple to say, people in malvinas it's a souvenir of Uk's pirates. We don't want that, islanders must understand we do not accept malvinas as it is. The first step of forgiveness it's to transfer sovereignty to argentina.
Don't make me laugh, Argentina wants the malvinas again. Come and get them, plenty of room on the Ocean floor for your ships. I was there last time, your soldiers couldn't even fight a cold let alone fight for an island.
Feb 25th, 2010 - 12:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why should UK discuss sovereignty with Argentina ? How would they benefit ? The UK holds all the cards. This issue seems to me an attempt by those who rule in Argentina to distract their countrymen from their real problems as our governments (UK and USA) and right-wing news outlets distract us with bullshit issues. Unfortunately, most people are dumb and fall for rabble-rouser faux issues.
Feb 25th, 2010 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why should discuss the issue with Argentina uh? Because if they actually find any resources on the sea bed, they will need continental to support to make the extraction profitable. If boats are denied access to Malvinas thru Argentine seas the costs to operate the rigs and transport the oil could discourage companies from putting money into it. If you add the diplomatic discomfort that this causes to LatAm countries and other countries too then so far it's not looking good for UK, at least for now. Argentina is playing the cards extremely well, keeping the subject in the headlines of international news agencies and gathering supporters.
Feb 25th, 2010 - 01:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0The current government of the UK can't really stand much bad PR... and if this keeps up then I have a feeling that Obama will put little Brown back in the cage, because he (Obama) doesn't need more problems, specially in his own continent.
Cheers
Argentine seas? UN says different, passage always legal. Denial of passage could mean UN military action, another good distraction for major powers. Obama's continent? South America? Boats denied access? UK Navy might have something to say about that. As Argentine government uses islands as distraction, so might the UK as it defends its shipping from Argentine Navy. Nothing like a military action to stir up patriotism and distract from bigger problems.
Feb 25th, 2010 - 02:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its not like a blockade, ships can come and go as long as they have the proper permit... which they won't. Or the permit will be far too expensive to make extraction worthwhile, it's the same. You can still go through south africa, or take the oil by plane... I don't know which option is least expensive.
Feb 25th, 2010 - 02:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0A UN military action against AR? Please, the US is looking the other way, this is a bilateral issue and a very controversial one... plus the huge amount of hispanics in the USA, it will trigger an internal conflict in the US immediately. Obama is no fool.
Whitout the US will the UK attack Argentina? Please... these days UK does what fits USA the best. Like a little pet.
Cheers
....“Who put the Argentines there Jorge?”....
Feb 25th, 2010 - 03:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0May be you would like to know that there were paople here when spaniards came. May be you think this land was empty when they came. ;-) If we all were directly desendent from spaniards as you suggest, we would be white people wich is not the case. (May be that was why there is not a big community of argentines living in Malvinas as it should be due to natural law. In fact many of the argentines living there are those who were there prior 1982). The “superiority” of white race was a very policy in that colony.
....“Expert on Falklands youth Jorge? When did you last visit.”....
Expert on Argentine History, Are your 3 months in Rawson enough time to know about our history, customs and thinking as you want to believe????
Here you have the link where young islanders admit they learn more about WWII rathen than Malvinas war wich by the way took place in their terretorie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk0RHqK-gek
....”Interesting, that the Argentine claim to the Falkland Islands was artificially revived in the 1930s by Alfredo Palacios (1880-1965), the eccentric Argentine politician with Nazi connections.”....
Unbelievable!!!!. This comedian guy is priceless. The first socialist lawmaker of America who was close to Marx thinking and cuban revolution although he criticized it later due to lack of freedom is now a nazi. A lawmaker who did his best to permit women's vote is now called a nazi. Do you have another joke comedian guy??? What is your alma-mater, Benny hill or Mr Bean may be???
British arrogants, you could steal oir resources as long as you have militar power, but Argentina is not gonna make it easy for you. That's for sure, and this is not an empty thread. Just imagine how Islanders would be having an understanding with us, it's a big difference, isn't it?
Ahhh please, continue lecturing us argentine history. Now it turns out you have the truth of our existence, Justin Kuntz, J.A. Roberts and Michael are the iluminated people whom we'll have to religiously believe since they memorized all wikipedia and took a couple of trips around the world.
Cheers.
and if they don't get a permit? What? Cease the vessel? Good luck with that. In case you haven't noticed, US and allies had no problem invading to “help” oil-rich Iraq and Afghanistan. A “rescue” of their aggrieved citizens and vessel would be easy for the UK to justify and to whip up public sentiment. Just as Argentina miscalculated the UK before, they are miscalculating again. Argentina is a paper tiger. Right-wingers are manipulating you and your countrymen with mis-information (lies) to distract you all from more important problems such as poverty and corruption. As you might have noticed from historical records, the UK has NEVER let anyone impede their rights on the sea. http://www.defensa.pe/archive/index.php/t-2134.html
Feb 25th, 2010 - 04:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jorge and Willy.
Feb 25th, 2010 - 04:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0You prattle on and on about British arrogance. Yet you proudly proclaim that you will eventually get the Falklands back. You rubbish any reasonable comments or arguments that oppose yours. You act like you are the only people who know anything of history, and everybody else is an idiot. You accuse others of stealing what was never yours. What is that if not arrogance?
You blast us for being Imperialist. Yet you have tried to seize the islands by force, and still wish to impose sovereignty on a people who don`t want it.
Its funny in a way. You`re acting like children stamping your feet till you get what you want. What makes it less funny is that its not just a couple of hypocritical cretins trolling on a message board. Its an entire country trying to run rough shod over human rights in an attempt at another land grab. A bully is a bully, no matter how you dress it up.
I know you won`t listen to me or anyone else that thinks differently than you, you`ve shown that much already.
Have fun spouting rubbish.
47 rlsimmonsjr: Come on, man... What are you talking about?
Feb 25th, 2010 - 04:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Times:
“US refuses to endorse British sovereignty in Falklands oil dispute-
...Washington refused to endorse British claims to sovereignty over the Falkland Islands yesterday as the diplomatic row over oil drilling in the South Atlantic intensified in London, Buenos Aires and at the UN.
Despite Britain’s close alliance with the US, the Obama Administration is determined not to be drawn into the issue. It has also declined to back Britain’s claim that oil exploration near the islands is sanctioned by international law, saying that the dispute is strictly a bilateral issue....”
You live in the past times, guys... You didn´t noticed yet that world has changed
By the way, I am a US-born citizen who speaks english, spanish and a bit of mayan from living part of my late childhood and later as an adult in Mexico. I wish Argentinians the best. Nonetheless, I believe you're being manipulated by jingoistic right-wing media such as we have in our country (Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck come to mind). My guess is this is being tied to patriotism in order to inflame passions and obfuscate the real issues your country is surely experiencing as is the rest of the world. It is a common tactic to unite a group by inventing an enemy (think Iraq and Pres. Bush). I know many latinos, they might have sympathy to the Argentinians, but I assure you they have more in common with their adopted country than with distant Argentina. Latinos are not united as are muslims. Muslims have a kinship more similar to the Jews, united by their faith, yet most disagree with extremists within their faith. Latinos have no such unity, religious, political or otherwise. I don't think I have to recite Latino history or current events to you.
Feb 25th, 2010 - 05:03 am - Link - Report abuse 050 rlsimmonsjr:
Feb 25th, 2010 - 05:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0We are fully aware of the tactics governments use when thing go wrong and popularity descends. But despite it may seem this is the case, believe me, it´s not. Kirchner did this because she had to... if she didn´t, if she was less energic in her claims, people would hang her in the top of Obelisco. Malvinas is our land... we argentine people form a young country, and we often disagree between ourselves, but in this... you will not find a single dissagree about this subject... No matter if you´re 5 or 80 years old, no matter if you´re rich or poor, a businessman, a teacher, a construction worker or a student... We all agree in this, and that´s the reason that governments have to DO something, and the reason why we will never give up...
By the way, how did you learn maya? I thought t it was a “dead language”. I didn´t know there was people talking maya nowadays.
My mayan friends would be amused. They are everywhere throughout Mexico (Yucatan, Campeche, Quintanaroo), Belize, Honduras and Guatemala.
Feb 25th, 2010 - 06:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0......“You accuse others of stealing what was never yours. What is that if not arrogance?”.....
Feb 25th, 2010 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0COrrection. We accuse you of stealing what IS OURS.
.....“and still wish to impose sovereignty on a people who don`t want it.”....
Those our islands.
....“I know you won`t listen to me or anyone else that thinks differently than you, you`ve shown that much already.”....
I took the time to answer you, didn't I?
You have to know Argentina and study it to make an opinion, otherwise you only talk crap. Simple like that.
Cheers. Why many people in the world think that way anyway??? Have you ever thought about that???? It must be for something.
Ah yes, Argentine unity over the Falklands, express a dissenting opinion and you'd be pilloried out of a job. Just ask Carlos Escude.
Feb 25th, 2010 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 053llen - You're absolutely right that you're a young country. A lot younger than England, which can trace its kings and queens through history for more than a thousand years. Younger than the Inca Empire (Tawantinsuyu) which your Conquistador ancestors obliterated and part of which Argentina colonially occupies. If the South American states had declared independence forty years ago instead of two hundred, the United Nations would have declared them illegal as it did Rhodesia: settler-republics created to perpetuate the colonial domination, subjugation and exploitation of the indigenous Americans, and to subject them to a regime of apartheid.
Feb 25th, 2010 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jorge<br />
Feb 25th, 2010 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...“Unlike diego Garcia, the islands are big.”....<br />
This is a matter of size now:<br />
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refer to the question, how big is Diego Garcia, tiny, how big are the Falklands, 12,000 km squared, you could stick a large airbase anywhere without displacing the population.<br />
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....“The Falklanders are full British citizens.”....<br />
And you denied them that until 1983 uh!<br />
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But they are British citizens now, democracies evolve Jorge, didn't you know? The fact remains they are citizens now, and they shall be forever more.<br />
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.....“The commonwealth fully support the Falklanders.”....<br />
Some of them don't do it.<br />
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Name them......The most vocal supporters of the Falklands in the commonwealth happen to be the smallest island countries, solidarity amongst smaller states.<br />
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....“It would give Argentina the biggest propaganda victory since Madonna played evita.”....<br />
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If you had lived here during those times, you wouldn't say so, you poor educated.....<br />
Irrelevant statement, refer to the question, Britain would never allow a US airbase to be built on the Islands or deport the population because of, comparison between Diego Garcia are flimsy, if did= massive propaganda victory for Argentina.<br />
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.....“So now you speak on behalf of the 40 million people of Argentina?- From what i've seen and heard, there are sizeable numbers of people in Argentina who do not agree that the Falklands are Argentina's and another sizeable proportion who don't care. rumor has it this number runs into the millions!”......<br />
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Willy Stated all 40 million Argies agree the Falklands are Argentinas? so does he speak on behalf of all Argentinians I think no?<br />
Argentine rumours, not British ones, keep ahead with the times, but seeing as there has been no official referendum on the matter, Argentine public opinion cannot be juged, just from the hushed whispers by Argentines in pubs I hear occasionaly, people who are to scared to voice their own opinion for fear of being labeled a traitor and harrased.<br />
But put it this way, the most vocal groups are always the minority.<br />
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......“The likely hood is that Argentina like most other countries will fracture of into different states, I hear Patagonia is quite resentful of Buenos Aires rule.”.....<br />
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Its more likely that happens to UK rather than Argentina. I live in Patagonia and we are not resentful of B.A. rule. In case you don't, Kirchners are from Patagonia. Get informed before talking too much nonsense.<br />
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Not nonsense fact: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/27/world/some-in-argentina-see-secession-as-the-answer-to-economic-peril.html?pagewanted=1<br />
What about the Mapuche seccesionist movement as well?<br />
What about the Buenos Aires Seccesionsit movement, and the Tierra del Fuego seccesionist movement?<br />
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it's happened before in Argentinas past it's going to happen again, it's not a question of if, it's when.<br />
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Irrelevant on the UK breaking up, and if it did, we would recognise their right to self determination, but we would still share defence....So we can protect our tiny cousins in teh South Atlantic.<br />
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.....”You know they (Patagonia) have 80% of all Argentina's natural resources, but only 5% of the population, a situation very similar to the Falklands,<br />
what would happen if they started getting funny ideas from Falklands oil revenues?”.....<br />
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Uffff! could you stop talking so much crap????? We (patagonian people) are proudly argentines and hate your imperialism and arrogance.<br />
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economic and political autonomy are powerful motivating factors in todays society, just you wait till the Islanders start raking in oil taxes....sections of remote Argentina will demand more and more autonomy. geo, and social politics my friend! and even History, only China is the oldest continual territorial unit, and even then, they have struggled to contain seccesionist and autonomy movements, what makes you sure Argentina is the exception?<br />
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Blah blah blah Imperialist arrogance, etc etc, I doubt you could define imperialism.<br />
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.....“why do accuse them of being colonists, why do say they aren't entitled to human rights.”.....<br />
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They are so. They have human rights like us, but those are our lands. We want what is our. We don't want to make them our slaves. We don't want to take them away their properties, just recognise those are our lands. We want to see our flag waving there, not the british one. Islanders have their rights to live there, not the british. GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!<br />
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And the islanders want our protection, YOU GO away! They are the masters of this dispute, not you not I, not Argentina, not Britain.<br />
I think you will find that land is not yours, people and land shouldn't be bargained like playing chips just to satisfy your spoilt brat attitude.<br />
Sorry to dissapoint you those are their lands, and that is recognised by the British governement, we are only there because of the horror the junta inflicted upon them in 1982,
this is the 21st century, we do not beleive in the past we look to the future, Argentina has missed the bus, start walking.<br />
55 Rhaurie-Craughwell - You say the Kirchners are from Patagonia? Last time I looked at their ancestry it was Swiss, Croatian and Conquistador.
Feb 25th, 2010 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.falklandshistory.org/gettingitright.pdf
Feb 25th, 2010 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Micheal:
Feb 25th, 2010 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I never said such thing I was merley quoting herr Jorge...who said Jerkners are from Patagonia.
and replied to it.
I know their ancestory is rooted in blood and Conquest. Which is why I just can't get this lots obsessive compulsive disorder over the Falklands, and hysterical claims of victimhood.
Pathetic eh?
Islands are British, the Islanders choose their own future, not the UK or Argentina choosing their future for them!
58 Rhaurie-Craughwell - Actually, it's just Mrs Kirchner's ancestry that's rooted in blood and conquest. Her maiden name is Fernandez. It's remarkable how her conquistador ancestors managed to make it that far south under the weight of all that looted Inca gold they were carrying. And victimhood! These people are the Serbs of the Americas.
Feb 25th, 2010 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0whenever I see any Latin American head of state cry Victimhood and screech imperialism (accept Bolivia) I laugh myself to sleep.
Feb 25th, 2010 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Truly pathetic, they are Obssesed with portraying themselves as victims of the evil Imperialist British, it's a truly pathetic manner in which to adopt a national identity, any retard who thinks that 2 T42 destroyers, 1 castle class corevette, 5 euro fighters, a submarine, and 100 TA soldiers and 2 companies of regulars. Represents a strategic threat to the whole of South America needs to get their brain dept re-furbished!
hah! some of these people here crave the victimhood! It gives them meaning in their lives! It's so much easier to get support for an incestious irredentist claims when you are the victims!
Thats what the regional bullies always do cry victimhood and opression when they get slapped down for preying on the weak.
Nitrojuan said: “Mr. Chris Welsh Bryant= Weak boy and idiot too... without knowledge about Latin American.”
Feb 27th, 2010 - 12:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well at least his Spanish is better than your English...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdkrgDAfREk&feature=related
Roberts, maybe (perhaps) ... but his knowledge about the situation is worst.
Feb 27th, 2010 - 02:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The right to self-determination of the islanders – long the obstacle to any deal with Argentina – has to be qualified. Intransigent in their response to the Ridley negotiations and backed by neo-imperialist rightwingers in the House of Commons, the islanders demanded and got their rescue by the 1982 task force and extravagant support ever since. They have rebuffed all efforts by later Buenos Aires mediators to re-establish contact” <br />
Feb 27th, 2010 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0<br />
Simon Jenkins<br />
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/feb/25/falklands-britains-expensive-nuisance<br />
Simon is a illuminated. Patrick is it another brit joke? I have a lot of book of International Law if you need one.
Feb 27th, 2010 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0..........“Ah yes, Argentine unity over the Falklands, express a dissenting opinion and you'd be pilloried out of a job. Just ask Carlos Escude.”.........<br />
Feb 28th, 2010 - 04:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0<br />
I was talking of the rest of the world. What do people around the world think about the british huh??? Are you gonna say they are under argentine propaganda????<br />
Carlos Escudé is an asshole. He is no taken seriously here. He is a racist who is against inmigration of other latam countries and he is also a fascist who supports invations of Irak and Afghanistán, so f*ck him!<br />
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.....“But they are British citizens now, democracies evolve Jorge, didn't you know? The fact remains they are citizens now, and they shall be forever more.”.....<br />
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yeah, citizens living in argentine land.<br />
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......“Name them......The most vocal supporters of the Falklands in the commonwealth happen to be the smallest island countries, solidarity amongst smaller states.”<br />
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Jamaica, Barbados, Granada among others.<br />
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...........““So now you speak on behalf of the 40 million people of Argentina?- From what i've seen and heard, there are sizeable numbers of people in Argentina who do not agree that the Falklands are Argentina's and another sizeable proportion who don't care. rumor has it this number runs into the millions!””.........<br />
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http://www.soitu.es/soitu/2009/10/13/info/1255465689_377739.html<br />
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.............“Argentine rumours, not British ones, keep ahead with the times, but seeing as there has been no official referendum on the matter, Argentine public opinion cannot be juged, just from the hushed whispers by Argentines in pubs I hear occasionaly, people who are to scared to voice their own opinion for fear of being labeled a traitor and harrased.”............<br />
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That's not true. Anyone can say whatever they want here unlike in Malvinas whre there is only 3000 inhabitants that cannot express in favor of Argentina eve if they feel so.<br />
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.........“Not nonsense fact: http://www.soitu.es/soitu/2009/10/13/info/1255465689_377739.html<br /><br />
What about the Mapuche seccesionist movement as well?<br /><br />
What about the Buenos Aires Seccesionsit movement, and the Tierra del Fuego seccesionist movement?”.........<br />
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Now I got angry. Are you so idiot or just pretending to be one???????<br />
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Do you expect me to believe what a new york times article says about me, my people and history?????<br />
We are proudly argentinians. We are not gonna separate from B.A unless UK try it as it generating conflicts like it did many years ago.<br />
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.........“t's happened before in Argentinas past it's going to happen again, it's not a question of if, it's when.”.........<br />
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Stop talking crap idiot!<br />
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........“economic and political autonomy are powerful motivating factors in todays society, just you wait till the Islanders start raking in oil taxes....sections of remote Argentina will demand more and more autonomy. geo, and social politics my friend! and even History, only China is the oldest continual territorial unit, and even then, they have struggled to contain seccesionist and autonomy movements, what makes you sure Argentina is the exception?”..........<br />
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Hey, fortune teller, go away with that crap. Sit down and wait. That will not happen.<br />
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............“I think you will find that land is not yours, people and land shouldn't be bargained like playing chips just to satisfy your spoilt brat attitude.<br /><br />
Sorry to dissapoint you those are their lands, and that is recognised by the British governement, we are only there because of the horror the junta inflicted upon them in 1982,<br />
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this is the 21st century, we do not beleive in the past we look to the future, Argentina has missed the bus, start walking.”............<br />
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More and more crap. <br />
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...........“I never said such thing I was merley quoting herr Jorge...who said Jerkners are from Patagonia.”.............
Feb 28th, 2010 - 04:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Kirchner was born in Río Gallegos, so he is from Patagonia british idiots.
Michael, talking much about retards???? You look at the mirror.
“Ah yes, Argentine unity over the Falklands, express a dissenting opinion and you'd be pilloried out of a job. Just ask Carlos Escude.”
Feb 28th, 2010 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To which jorge replies:
“Carlos Escudé is an asshole. He is no taken seriously here.”
Thereby proving the original point and I don't suppose the irony in his statement struck him for one second. For this who don't know who Carlos Escudé is, he is an Argentine historian and academic who originally wrote much of what the Argentine Government puts forward as its sovereignty claim, he later grew to realise what a pile of crap it was and how successive generations had fooled themselves into believing it. At least he had the intellectual honesty to say as much and was promptly fired.
It was Escudé who embarassed the Argentine Government by pointing out till the 1930s, the official Geography text book referred to Las Islas Falklands.
Justin, Carlos Escudé has not the moral authority of nothing,,, Before he was an agnostic now Jewist. Before his thought were about a brit “Falkland” writing a book, like Mike Bingham with the book “Falklands Regime” /“El Regimen de las Malvinas”, and now maybe have changed his opinion (that nobody remember , only you Justin).
Mar 01st, 2010 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't say he had any “moral authority” but I do respect his intellectual honesty. And lets be honest about it, you can't compare him to Mike Bingham who acted purely out of spite.
Mar 01st, 2010 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jorge:
Mar 01st, 2010 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“yeah, citizens living in argentine land”
If that were True then why are we arguing about it then? At least you are dignifying them with the term Citizens, it’s an improvement, little steps at a time for Argentina eh? ☺
......“Name them......The most vocal supporters of the Falklands in the commonwealth happen to be the smallest island countries, solidarity amongst smaller states.”
“Jamaica, Barbados, Granada among others”
I think you will find they do not support Argentina on this issue, they came out in full support of the UK in 1982, and have ever since, it’s kinda funny how no details where revealed from cancun “closed door meeting” no journalists allowed?
“That's not true. Anyone can say whatever they want here unlike in Malvinas whre there is only 3000 inhabitants that cannot express in favor of Argentina eve if they feel so”:
really is that what it’s says on paper, but the reality is different, mob rule Jorge have you heard of it? When a nationalist patriotic cause gathers so much momentum, differing opinions can be silenced very quickly by the masses, it’s a very real probelem in Argentina, although you may have democracy at governement level, at opinion level, especially over the Falklands, it’s limited, very limited.
The Falklanders were given that option, they said no to you….thats seems pretty dam clear expression to me, better than screeching Traidor at someone who dares say Las Falklands esta Falklander!
“Now I got angry. Are you so idiot or just pretending to be one???????”:
Anger is always one of the first defences of someone who starts to doubt, even just slightly.
“Do you expect me to believe what a new york times article says about me, my people and history?????”:
Well Yes I do actually, they are addressing an Issue which could be a very big probelem for Argentina in the next 10-20 years, you can close your ears and shout Nah NAH Nah I’m not listening but it’s not going to go away, the New York times is a well respected international media organization.
Seeing as your country has written a distinctly flawed history on the Falklands, how does it feel then?
“We are proudly argentinians. We are not gonna separate from B.A unless UK try it as it generating conflicts like it did many years ago”:
Ah so yet again, you have the moral authority to speak on behalf of all Argentinians, have you asked them all? UK won’t need to divide you, countries do and have done that very successful for themselves for hundreds of years, Argentina is no exception to the rule!
“Stop talking crap idiot!:”
Ah what a wonderful intellectual insight herr Jorge! BA seceded in 1853, but rejoined in 1860. Uruguay, Bolivia? Ring a bell no?
As I said, it’s happened before in your past, like with all countries, it will happen again, read history friend, it will happen again.
“Hey, fortune teller, go away with that crap. Sit down and wait. That will not happen:”
Again read question: China is the only fully unified country, tell what makes you so sure that it will never happen to Argentina? I have cited no less than 4 seccesionist movements in Argentina, why haven’t you addressed these? History states the facts: nearly 4,000 states, kingdoms, empires have existed throuought history, do I see any of them today, with the exception of China NO!
Stop being in denial, But now I see why you can’t comprehend as self governing Falklands, your patriotism blinds you, since you cannot comprehend sesscionist’s in Argentina, as it doesn’t fit with your rule, therefore you have to construct an artificial enemy (UK) ruling the Falklands, to try and explain why there are some people in this world (falklanders), who don’t want to be Argentinian.
“More and more crap.”:
Not crap, truth, face it, your country has behaved in a vile manner to a community of less than 4,000, you brought war death and destruction to foreign soil, and dragged my country (UK) into a mess of your own doing, all for what? To satisfy a slight to the collective national ego of Argentina 180 years ago? Get over it pathetic!
The only Argentines who visit the Islands are the relatives of the dead, a smattering of Tourists, I don’t see masses of Argentines wanting to live there?
I don’t believe you have visited or ever will? Or even consider living there?
The whole issue doesn’t even directly affect you apart from in your mind!
Even less so, where are the descendents of the original settlers who were apparently expelled? Oh wait they are living in the islands, and all wish to decide their own future which currently is to be British!
Jorge the number 21 bus has left! you better get running!
...........“For this who don't know who Carlos Escudé is, he is an Argentine historian and academic who originally wrote much of what the Argentine Government puts forward as its sovereignty claim, he later grew to realise what a pile of crap it was and how successive generations had fooled themselves into believing it. At least he had the intellectual honesty to say as much and was promptly fired.”.........
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 05:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Talking about intelectual honesty Justin??????
Oh! I see, so, everyone who is against the argentine claim has intelectual honesty and the ones in favor are liar pigs.
That's your logic, that's your way of reasoning, very intresting.
With regard to Carlos Escudé, as I said before, he is just a racist who hates peruvian, paraguayan and bolivian inmigration.
He is also a well-know anti-muslam who supported and praised George W. Bush regarding his invations of Irak and Afghanistan. [EN BOCA DE UN MENTIROSO, HASTA LO CIERTO SE HACE DUDOSO].
Not a surprise you admire him since you are a fascist from the killer catholic church!
You're not doing well to your anti-argentine cause every time you praise Carlos Escudé, my little and arrogant friend Justin.
I realize now why you praise Guido Di Tella all the time.
Carlos Escudé was his adviser. Justin praise Carlos Escudé, Carlos escudé always praised Guido Di Tella and this one was a well-know traitor also praised by Justin.
This is a kind of circle, the circle of facism and betrayal.
P.S.: This comment is posted in several articles for everyone to know what kind of person Carlos Escudé is. A person praised by Justin.
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'With respect of the “impartial Court of Hague”: Knowing what UK was and still is (world power with strong political managment)
Do you really think it's impartial? It's quite obvious it's not, and so is the response, inmediately Argentina refuses.'
I checked the ICJ website
Number cases UK involved in = 12
Number of cases no judgement = 6 (eg: no jurisdiction, can't adjudicate, case withdrawn)
Number of cases UK lost = 3
Number cases UK won 2
and in one casee 1 decision favoured UK and the other decision half favoured Uk half favoured the other state.
Yup, very biased in the UK's favour
'No need to put in question our arguments of sovereignty, they are solid as a rock.
On the contrary, they are as solid as mud
.........“think you will find they do not support Argentina on this issue, they came out in full support of the UK in 1982, and have ever since, it’s kinda funny how no details where revealed from cancun “closed door meeting” no journalists allowed?”.........
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 07:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0IGNORANT!
http://hcvanalysis.wordpress.com/2010/02/23/falklands-pres-kirchner-get-full-support-from-summit-attendees/
-What's the problem with closed door's meetings?????. G-8 meetings are broadcasted live, so STFU!
..............“When a nationalist patriotic cause gathers so much momentum, differing opinions can be silenced very quickly by the masses, it’s a very real probelem in Argentina, although you may have democracy at governement level, at opinion level, especially over the Falklands, it’s limited, very limited.”...............
-People think the way they think because they want to think that way, you ASSHOLE! Is it difficult to understand for you????
.........“The Falklanders were given that option [I clean my ass with that], they said no to you….thats seems pretty dam clear expression to me, better than screeching Traidor at someone who dares say Las Falklands esta Falklander!”..........
-Everyonbe can say whatever here. If you are traitor in your thinking, many people will say you are a traitor, but you could still live your life without any problem, you wouldn't be a pariah, you ignorant!
...........“Anger is always one of the first defences of someone who starts to doubt, even just slightly.”..........
-ufff get the hell out of here, ridiculous!
..........“Well Yes I do actually, they are addressing an Issue which could be a very big probelem for Argentina in the next 10-20 years, you can close your ears and shout Nah NAH Nah I’m not listening but it’s not going to go away, the New York times is a well respected international media organization.
Seeing as your country has written a distinctly flawed history on the Falklands, how does it feel then?”...........
No, no, no. You are so stupid, idiot, ignorant and retard. I cannot discuss with someone SO retard that believes such a crap!
............“Ah so yet again, you have the moral authority to speak on behalf of all Argentinians, have you asked them all? UK won’t need to divide you, countries do and have done that very successful for themselves for hundreds of years, Argentina is no exception to the rule!”..........
I live here, I know my people. On the other hand, you don't live here and you “tocás de oído”. Again, you are a retard!
..........“Again read question: China is the only fully unified country, tell what makes you so sure that it will never happen to Argentina? I have cited no less than 4 seccesionist movements in Argentina, why haven’t you addressed these? History states the facts: nearly 4,000 states, kingdoms, empires have existed throuought history, do I see any of them today, with the exception of China NO!”..........
-That will not happen. I know my people. I feel what others fell here.
$ seccesionist movements???? Please....... If there is any, surely would be made by a couple of drunk, homeless people with metal illness or maybe they would be some kind of religious “secta” which nobody believes. Oh, I forgot, there is someone who believe them, that is you, retard!
.........”Not crap, truth, face it, your country has behaved in a vile manner to a community of less than 4,000, you brought war death and destruction to foreign soil, and dragged my country (UK) into a mess of your own doing, all for what? To satisfy a slight to the collective national ego of Argentina 180 years ago? Get over it pathetic!“.........
No no. your country has behaved in vile manner to argentine people in 1833, 1982 till today and you used those 4000 to satisfy your nostalgic memories of imperial power. Malvinas is not foreign soil for Argentina. Malvinas is foreign soil for you, you disgusting arrogant!
When you say the ”pathetic“ word, you are looking at the mirror, aren't you!
........”The only Argentines who visit the Islands are the relatives of the dead, a smattering of Tourists, I don’t see masses of Argentines wanting to live there?“..........
-So what???
.........”I don’t believe you have visited or ever will? Or even consider living there?“..........
How in the world could you know that????? I live in Patagonia and I like the weather here which is pretty much the same as Malvinas.
............”The whole issue doesn’t even directly affect you apart from in your mind!
Even less so, where are the descendents of the original settlers who were apparently expelled? Oh wait they are living in the islands, and all wish to decide their own future which currently is to be British!“.........
-Vernet descendent was in UN in 2007 or 2008 or 2009 I don't remember standing by Argentina on its claim.
........”Jorge the number 21 bus has left! you better get running!“.........
Rhaurie-Craughwell, go to school and use you your brain for the very first time, you'll discover the verb ”to think” which until know you don't know at all.
Didn't take long for you to froth at the mouth eh Jorge?<br />
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regards to Carlos Escude, I think he has quite reasoned logical intelligent individual, who tells you what you don't want to hear! He's world renknowed, and internationaly recognised, have the stuff you said about him isn't actually true, it's just Argentinians have a hard time getting their head around his intellectually stimulating approach, he's a breath of fresh air from Argentina, from which we are used to such intellectually stimulating arguements as “Malvinas son Argentinas because they are closer”! I would suggest you stop dishing people because their arguements are contary to your won, focus on his intellectual stuff, not his personnal opinions!<br />
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IGNORANT! <br />
http://hcvanalysis.wordpress.com/2010/02/23/falklands-pres-kirchner-get-full-support-from-summit-attendees/<br />
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-What's the problem with closed door's meetings?????. G-8 meetings are broadcasted live, so STFU!<br />
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1st point, I see a rehashing of the article on this webpage, I've see no minuetes of the meeting, all I see is empress Jerkner saying she has “Unilateral support”, the keyphrase being unilatteral-to have unilateral support doesn't mean a majority, As I said before, would be interesting to see the Abstaintions? I see no clear indication from all 33 countries present saying: “we support fully and utterly Argentina's incestous claim”-Zilch zero, nul-Apart from your good Baboon Chavez<br />
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2. DUH! Thats the probelem, the G-8 is televised, it's transparent, we know what goes on we know what happens.<br />
that meeting over the Falklands wasn't, it was done in closed doors, no transparency, no minuetes, no nothing, just a declaration saying everyone supports us......<br />
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People think the way they think because they want to think that way, you ASSHOLE! Is it difficult to understand for you????<br />
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So is it right to drown out any coherent opposition? how on earth can your views be properly challenged? how can an alternative view be presented if you shout them down all the time? thats how democracy works, not being the loudest and most vocal....I'm doing the job that the opposition to your incestious claims on the Islands can't do at the moment.<br />
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-Everyonbe can say whatever here. If you are traitor in your thinking, many people will say you are a traitor, but you could still live your life without any problem, you wouldn't be a pariah, you ignorant!<br />
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-enough said Jorge, I've revealed what you really are, an angry little man, who cannot comprehend people challenging his views, one step at a Time Jorge, you will thank me for it in the long run!<br />
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-ufff get the hell out of here, ridiculous!<br />
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As I said Jorge, one step at a time, the scales are beginning to fall from your eyes ;)<br />
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No, no, no. You are so stupid, idiot, ignorant and retard. I cannot discuss with someone SO retard that believes such a crap!<br />
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It's not crap Jorge, get used to it, try and actually answer the question rather than shouting me down, so why aren't you adressing the fact that there are elements in Argentine society who do not buy into the brand image of the Argentine state, seccesion is a fact of the world Jorge, get used to it, or stay in your little cardboard box of safety, but some time the disenfranchised elements will come knocking, I will be vindicated Jorge in the next 10-20 years :)<br />
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I live here, I know my people. On the other hand, you don't live here and you “tocás de oído”. Again, you are a retard!<br />
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Know you don't know your people Jorge, how the hell can you? Argentina is a big place, you live in Patagonia, so the views and wishes of people of BA are going to be distincly at odds with that of a large scale rancher in patagonia, who in turn has different wishes to that of a fisherman in Tierra Del Fuego? And if that were true Jorge, then why on earh have I met so many Argentines who are fed up with the whole Falklands thing, I think you just don't want to hear?<br />
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On the other hand you don't live on the Falklands or the UK, so you can't have an opinion on er um them?<br />
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that will not happen. I know my people. I feel what others fell here.<br />
$ seccesionist movements???? Please....... If there is any, surely would be made by a couple of drunk, homeless people with metal illness or maybe they would be some kind of religious “secta” which nobody believes. Oh, I forgot, there is someone who believe them, that is you, retard!<br />
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So people who want greater autonomy and more direct democratic representation and economic well being is the realm of drunken mentally ill religious sects and homeless people!<br />
Wonderful how enlightened of you Jorge! 3/4 of the worlds states fall into this category then!<br />
NO you don't feel what others feel, you feel what you want to beleive, if you did then you would leave the Falklands alone!<br />
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No no. your country has behaved in vile manner to argentine people in 1833, 1982 till today and you used those 4000 to satisfy your nostalgic memories of imperial power. Malvinas is not foreign soil for Argentina. Malvinas is foreign soil for you, you disgusting arrogant!<br />
When you say the ”pathetic“ word, you are looking at the mirror, aren't you!<br />
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Please Jorge, stop fooling yourself, Argentina behaved in a vile manner, brought death and Destruction to the Islands this is recognised the world over, you were the agressors, you cannot compare 1833 to 1982.....<br />
Those 4,000 immigrated like 3/4 of your current population did, they have forged an identity of their own, get used to it, the rest doesn't even bother a reply!<br />
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-So what???<br />
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So what, So what? For a country that professes to love those islands so dearly, it's quite funny that 99.9% of your country has never been their, it doesn't exactly do your cause anygood? We wants them, because we Wants them isn't clearly a good arguement?<br />
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How in the world could you know that????? I live in Patagonia and I like the weather here which is pretty much the same as Malvinas.<br />
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No I couldn't could I, but would you? probalbly not, having similar weather doesn't neccesarily constitute as saying you would wish to live there.<br />
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Vernet wasn't even born in the Islands, sorry you will have to do better then getting the descendent of the first U-surper of British rule in.<br />
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Jorge I have reserved a seat for you, but you will to run quicker!<br />
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Very funny your bullshit Rhaurie-Craughwell. I'm not going to play this childish game with you. You pretend to know more about me, my history, my people and my country. No more words. You are just a retard and I will continue to say that to you until you realize and get a brain!
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are already writing crap, but now you add those “<br />”. Ni para escribir en un foro servís. gíl de goma.
P.S.: Seguila mamando!
Ah Jorgey Porgey pudding and pies, saw the truth and wanted to die!
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's quite funny how I have presented facts on numerous occasions and all you can do is just shout and scream and swear, that is hardly the attitude of a supposedly mature country? This seems to be the endless waltz when dealing with Malvinists, the dignified respectful attitude of the stiff upper lipped British diplomat, and the hysterical rantings and bleating of a large nameless mass who come up with such intellectual classics as “they are closer to us they must be ours!”, “They are not entitled to self determination because err err um...MALVINAS SON ARGENTINAS”....and so the great dalience continues!
I don't pretend to know more about your country than you I DO know more about your country than you, and I know far more about the world than you angry man far more....I know many facts about your country which needless to say you would find uncomfortable.....I know facts about my own country, which needless my own people would find uncomfortable.
If it's bullshit, prove it then....I have not seen one coherent arguement to challenge the claims presented, all I see is swearing whingeing and denial so lets start from square 1 then?
1. Can you claim to know the views and aspirations of every individual of a country as vast and diverse as Argentina?
2. Can you directly prove without a doubt that there are NO seccesionist movements in Argentina?
3. Can you guarentee 100% (despite history), that Argentina despite being a highly Federalised country WILL be the exception in history along with China and not break up into several different autonmous or independent States?
4. DEFINATEVLY prove that Opinion in Argentina on the Falklands is 100% Universal.
5. PROVE to the contrary that People are allowed to express a different opinion to the more vocal one being peddled by the Government without being shouted down.
6. That seccecionist's and Autonomist movements ARE solely the realm of drunken Homeless people and mad religious sects.
7. That Jamaica, Belize, Grenada, Barbados and Guyana whole heartedly came out and said officially that they SUPPORT 100% Argentinas claim to the Falklands.
8. CAN you prove that Carlos Escude is a uneducated biggot, and not somebody who just rubbed the wrong people up the wrong way?
I doubt you can Jorge, I really doubt you can, the seat is still vacant Jorge :)
Rhaurie-Craughwell thank you, I haven't had such a laugh in ages.
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentinians are simply jealous idiots, complete idiots. They pulled out of joint oil operations in the past as they where too greedy and they wanted all of the oil fo themselves. In the past britain has on many occasions offered to negotiate about the islands but the argentinians have turned us down.
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They will get nothing at all. The uk does not need argentina to help us extract or transport the oil. There is no need to mainland oil stations on argentina, or use of south american pipelines. There greed and jealousy of brazils huge oil finds will leave them with nothing at all.
Not one cent and they deserve it.
All argentinians who believe the islands are these read up on the history of the islands, dont simply say that they are near our country so they are ours.
the dutch
the french
the spanish
the portugese
all have better claims of soverignty that argentina does. You will simply have to watch as the uk either makes it rich or simply continues to keep the falklands as a nice little colony.
-Takes a Bow-
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you Justin ;)
will my assistant Jorge please commence with the after show party....
No no. Yuo are just a repulsive insect and a retard one. I live here and I only discuss patagonian issues with people who live here or know enough. Clearly you are not that one, so you can just f*ck off!. This is for your bootlicker too!
Mar 03rd, 2010 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BUDUM Boom Tscchhh!
Mar 04th, 2010 - 02:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thankyou Jorge!
Now for the encore.....
1. If you only discuss Patagonian issues with Pratgoniads? then why are you discussing Faklands one, prey do tell?
2. A retarded Insect wahey! So what does that make you for speaking to a retarded insect, a spasticated amoeba?
3. I don't think you know enough, considering your staggering ignorance over your regions own political mechanisms!
4. You are my boot licker excellent, Black polish would do nicely, shine them good sir!
Shall we get back to the main points Jorge (you know the ones you never quite answered)
1. Can you claim to know the views and aspirations of every individual of a country as vast and diverse as Argentina?
2. Can you directly prove without a doubt that there are NO seccesionist movements in Argentina?
3. Can you guarentee 100% (despite history), that Argentina despite being a highly Federalised country WILL be the exception in history along with China and not break up into several different autonmous or independent States?
4. DEFINATEVLY prove that Opinion in Argentina on the Falklands is 100% Universal.
5. PROVE to the contrary that People are allowed to express a different opinion to the more vocal one being peddled by the Government without being shouted down.
6. That seccecionist's and Autonomist movements ARE solely the realm of drunken Homeless people and mad religious sects.
7. That Jamaica, Belize, Grenada, Barbados and Guyana whole heartedly came out and said officially that they SUPPORT 100% Argentinas claim to the Falklands.
8. CAN you prove that Carlos Escude is a uneducated biggot, and not somebody who just rubbed the wrong people up the wrong way?
And in 1. 2. 3. 4 Jorge shall commence act 6 of the great waltz!
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