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Falklands: Argentina formally request Hillary Clinton US mediation
Argentine president Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner formally requested visiting Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that the United States act as intermediate in the Argentine-United Kingdom Falkland Islands dispute. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesPlastic face and airhead Cristina is more concerned about the Falklands-UK (what was never theirs and never will be their territory...so get over it che idiots) and and and Honduras? laugh...what joke, while the country is falling apart. <br />
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 05:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0<br />
Hillary? soon you're history, so enjoy your fancy trips paid by my tax dollars.
Talk about what .... there are no outstanding issues over sovereignty! The UK clearly has the law on its side together with history and the views of the inhabitants of the Falkland Islands.<br />
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 05:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0As Argentina withdrew from talks about mutual development of the potential oil reserves, there doesn't seem much left to talk about.
Nicholas please make us a favour and kill yourself. This world will be pleased.
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 05:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0We like Hillary taking a walk around here with your dollars. LOL.
The power of your country will be history soon.
To the table Mr. Brown! Big Daddy has spoken!
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 07:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Big headline, but no news. So Clinton offers a table for people to sit at, wow! I'm sure both UK and Argentina have some issues that need resolving, sadly for the Argies, The Falklands will never be one of these issues. They gave up that right 160 years ago when they signed the “Convention between Great Britain
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 07:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0and the Argentine Confederation, for the Settlement of existing Differences and the re-establishment of
Friendship” essentially dropping any claims they may of had previously (which were also false of course).
Comment 5. You are a joke!
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 08:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Comment 6. You make a fine argument for your case.
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 08:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Comment 8 George. What was that? Didn't really make any sense..
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Clinton says US ready to help UK in Falklands dispute.
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0That is what she realy means!
Bill- old jorge is always blowing of hot air,sometimes he thinks he is john wayne. He tries to dominate these pages with little success. There is always someone to tear him back down to earth. Keep it up all!
Jorge is not alone to fight the ignorance of the british twats that post on this page. With each step Argentina takes to peacefully claim the islands that it rightfully owns, you guys seem to get more and more desperate. You keep rewinding and playing the same toughtless tape trying to conceal the one and only truth: LAS MALVINAS SON ARGENTINAS. The kelpers are an artificially implanted population, 3000 souls with the right to self determination? Come one what is this a joke? And Scotland? Don't they have the right to become a separate country? Time is on our side, you all guys now it ant that is why you are getting so nervous.
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 010 Bongo Bongo:
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. only Truth: “LAS MALVINAS SON ARGENTINAS”
With such reasoned intellectual logic who can argue! If that was the truth then why are we arguing?
2. “Kelpers are an artificialy planted population”:
Define the word “Artificial”, I highly doubt people can be “Artificial”, are the Kelpers made of Balsa wood or something?
3. “3,000 souls with the right to self determination is this a Joke?”
How is it a joke? all people are allowed the right to self determination, which is universal in it's application, don't see how size is a factor? The question you should ask is why not?
look at it this way, the islanders have a higher GDP per capita than the UK and Argentina, they run their own affairs accept foreign affairs and defence.
Tokelau a country with a population of less than 1,500 has been given the right, why not the Falklands?
4. 'Scotland? Don't they have the right to become a separate country?“
Yes your right we in Scotland do have the right to become a seperate country, something about the whole ”self determination thing“, rest assured because of their Scottish heritage of the Falklands and there historical association with Scotland, that will be another country opposing your colonial ambitions for the Islands!
5. ”Time is on our side, you all guys now it ant that is why you are getting so nervous.“
Not nervous, just amusing ourselves!
what time? I have just placed a bet with Jorge that in 10-20 years time Argentina will start to have probelems with seccesionist movements within it's own borders.
Argentine predictions have always been more elasticated than any polemer known to mankind, I remember Nestle Jernkner saying ”MALVINAS SON ARGENTINAS ANO 2000!”, that was well over 12 years ago, I also remember teh Argentine tabloids Screaming in 2008 that the evil UK would annex the Islas D'estodas by 2009....that one never quite came to pass did it?
I am fairly confident that Argentina will never get it's grubby hands on the Islands this will be a distinct implausibility if the islands strike it rich. Of course I cannot be 100% certain. I under estimate the desperate measures that failing heads of states would go to prop up their poor poll results.
Bongo, you've just shown that british twats do not have monopoly on ignorance.
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just because the Falkland Island population is small does not mean they have no right to self determination. The Vatican City has a population of 800 and their right to self determination is not questioned. And with the 9th and even 10th generation now being born in the Falklands you can hardly call them implanted, that's just a tired old Argentine “argument” which has no basis and is totally inappropriate considering most Argentines originate in Europe themselves.
Scotland is perfectly entitled to succeed from the Union. If that's what they want, no-one will stop them. Scotland already has its own parliament and the Scottish government is run by the SNP, a party with a policy of independence for Scotland. In fact there is a bill before the Scottish parliament right now to set out arrangements for an independence referendum.
Bongo Bongo and Jorge, I am confused
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say that “Malvinas Son Argentia”, yet you say 'They will be Argentina's“, and ”Have been Argentina's“, what the hell is that supposed mean?
How can you posses something simulatenoulsy in the past, present and future tense?
damm Argentine logic gives me headaches-It's a bit like the the song nursery song, ”there was an old women who swallowed a fly” but done in the past future and present tense.
there is a saying where I come from “you cant polish a turd” argentina is a turd.
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Latest from the BBC
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK rejects Hillary Clinton's help in Falklands dispute
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8544634.stm
Stick it up your Junta!
Apologies for the non-academic comment. I am tired and couldn't resist.
The USA will not help Argentina in any way. This was an unscheduled stop only made because of the earthquake in Chile. Argentina is a non-entity, the US used to use Arg to stabilize South America but with Chile, Peru, Colombia as strong US allies and Brazil as the SA powerhouse what do we need with Argentina? It is a mess and always will be.
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Typical....1st. Crissy went bleeting to the G20...result? lots of bleeting in the pen. 2nd crissy went to have a tete a tete with Ban Ki Moon..result? lots of yeah, yeah, yeah. 3rd. an unsatisfied Crissy is now doing her woman to woman gossip...result? Crissy, shut up and go home. When will these people jump out of their virtual world, and into the real thing?
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bongo Bongo Brities: <br />
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Let’s talk about self determination, do some one knows what happened to UK Diego Garcia island inhabitant in the Indian Ocean???? Just googleit , and learn something about what UK Government think of self determination of much more than 10 or 11 generation inhabitants haha… you GSQ morons. <br />
Thanks CFK. They are actually called Chagossians (Diego Garcia is only one of the islands). The UK made a terrible mistake by ignoring the self determination of a people simply because one of our allies wanted an airbase. It is still embarrassing to think about it. However, we learned our lesson and believe me we won't make that mistake again by ignoring the self determination of the Falkland Islanders.
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thats a nice looking island. What's that got to do with the falkland island?
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 018 CFK
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another intellectually astounding piece of literature emerges! what exactly are you trying to imply here, I am baffled?
1. everyone knows about Diego Garcia
2. Nobody in this country liked it.
3. It has been ruled illegal.
Two wrongs don't make a right, however google the 100 or so independent countries that were former British colonies all excercised their right to self determination: somebody is doing something right?
one small glitch by a weak PM under pressure from the Yankastani's at a time when the UK economy was suffering at the height of the cold war, shouldn't automatically be seized upon by the anti democratic elements in Argentia as clear cut 100% proof that the UK doesn't beleive in Self determination.
Now you were saying something about GSQ morons no?
All this arguing on these comment pages is quite funny really. Lets face it, it doesn't matter how much Argie Tina spits the dummy, shouts and squeals, claims this, that and the other from the past, sometimes the future and often from entirely different subjects, what really matters is that the rig is still there and still drilling. L O L
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read the Island of Palmas arbitration decision by Judge Max Huber. you'll find it in any international law textbook. Territory is reduced to sovereignty for the first time when a state exercises effective control with the intention and will to act as sovereign. Effective control means control which effectively guarantees the rights of other states and their nationals in relation to the territory. Britain had first title after 1833 for all parts of the Islands not already Spanish. Spain had first title only to Port Louis and the immediate vicinity. Argentina established itself at Port Louis in 1829 on Spanish territory, but there is no evidence that she was ever able to guarantee the rights of states and their nationals either at Port Louis, or at all.
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0<br />
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”We are told a British Rig is drilling off the Falklands in the hope of finding oil(Mail)<br />
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In 1982 I was an engineer on an American oil rig, chartered out of Rio Gallegos. Pure oil was found in the Falkland waters and this was charted and capped.<br />
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Argentinian officials were on board and allegedly, offered royalties if they got the Falklands back from Britain - I believe this was a trigger to the Falklands War.<br />
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So I cannot believe that the rig is saying that its drilling to try to find new oil: everyone knows there's a very rich oil field there - which belongs to whoever owns the Falklands”<br />
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Britain owns the Falklands. An undisputed fact.
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Mar 02nd, 2010 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. Malvinas Island have been occupied illegally
2. Kelpers can still be Brities citizens in Malvinas. UK Government is only concerned about Kelpers because they are white people (not Chagossians or something else).
3. UK have nothing to do 13.000 km away from its territory, its like Argentina have a colony in the Isle of Man
4. Sooner or later UK will sit at the table
I really have no dog in this fight, but it seems to me that Argentina uses the Falklands kind of like Guatemala uses Belize, whenever a politician is in trouble they shout “Belize for the Guatemalans” and that gets them points because the badly educated masses rember that since Elementary school they have been taught that 1) Belize or in this case Las Islas Malvinas truly belong to them and 2) Said country was truly stolen from them by the diryt English and 3)the local population will recieve them with open arms when they are liberated from the dirty English.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />
Sorry Argentina I think the Brits have you beat on this one, you should tell your tin pot president to get busy actually running your country instead of sticking her nose where it does not belong (Honduras) or fighting an old battle that she can not win (Falklands).<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />
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P.S. you might want to ask for your private pension plans back, doesn't seem like she is spending them well.
Sooner or later argentina will wakeup from its fantasy dream, pull the finger out of its ass and move on. you see, you need to take the finger out so you can shoot yourself in the foot again & again & again.
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor third class citizens with borrowed land and no country that are isolated in the ass of the world. Shaking at any thing a plastic president says. The Kelpers Republic is not a feasible project, this is not a game you bunch of frozen sheeps.
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please take care of the islands. Keep them clean for the Argentines that are coming. It´s a matter of time (probable) oiled penguins.
I would start listening to what the next big players say about the pirates.
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0China, Brazil, Russia and India. I don´t think they like pirates.
Malvinas is not a makeshift policy of a politician; it’s a matter of state, you must understand that. Do you really think that eventually in a long term UK citizens will pay with they taxes the deficits to exploit the islands without the continental support, the islands are not economically viable without Argentine support, it’s simply to expensive. The Kelpers and the international oil companies know it. UK is at 13.000km away!!!! Go home please. The word is changing we are no more In the 19th century.
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some Facts for the naive -
Mar 02nd, 2010 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 01.USA has always been neutral politically. In 1982 they offerred and tried to mediate - and gave up when it became clear Arg had no intention of a fair game and was not interested in avoiding military defeat.
USA remains neatral in the dispute - hence their offer to help in any mediation - but as H.Clinton said - both sides have to agree to talk -and that is not going to happen while ine side is demanding talks with a preconditioned outcome.
USA is also aware that talks were going on over oil etc and Arg walked out of them in 2007-Uk has the door open if they want to come back in to continue.
Selfdetermination applies to a people and a population - not a number.
We do not fear Argentina- yeserday-today-nor tomorrow.
We want to live in peace in this part of the world, there is a dispute - and the only way forweard to solvong it is by openess and good behaviour and building bridges and trust on both sides - over a long period of time.
Argentina in the 1990s was doing just that - and who knows where another 10 years of it would have ended up.
Instead we have Arg turning the clock and attitudes back to 1982 - so you have lost 30 years and will have to start all over again.
And please get this into your heads- the oil rig is chartered by a Falklands Company - yes with Uk shareholders and an office in Uk. It is licensed to drill by the Falklands Govt - NOT the British one who have nothing to do with its operations.
CFK - what support have we ever had from Argentina that we have to depend on? We have been self-financing our own Govt since the 1880,s and independent totally of all capital Aid from UK since 1985. We have NO econo,ic dependence on Argentina - it would be easier economically if you were a bit more friendly - but we survive Ok without you.
Mar 03rd, 2010 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have you heard of Bermuda, Anguilla, Virgin Islands, St Helena, Turks and Caicos, Cayman Islands? Didn't think you had? well one thing joins them all together-yes all not very white people! yet UK seems content to adhere to their wishes of staying British!
Mar 03rd, 2010 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 03. UK have nothing to do 13.000 km away from its territory, its like Argentina have a colony in the Isle of Man.
When the hell has distance been a factor in anything, your girlfriends Arse is closer to me than you, can I pummel her buttocks into a pile meat of them?
Yes it's exactly like the Isle of Man, it's not even a part of the UK! Don't see what the probelem is?
4. Sooner or later UK will sit at the table.
We have done, in June 1982, surrender docuement ring a bell?
CFK
Mar 03rd, 2010 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0I must apologised under the influence of too much alcohol I regretted to answer your 1st point.
1. “Malvinas have been Illegally occupationerised”
So the anachronistic laws of 1833 apply to today do they?
I wonder what the status of patagonia then, and the status of those 40 million less-than-indiegous-white-looking-european-folk-from-europe in Argentina then....Got lost on their way to a stag do in Magalouf no doubt?
By god dear fellow, you will be demanding witch burning next!
Jorge the che idiot...
Mar 03rd, 2010 - 02:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Kill myself? Nah, I'm no desperate like you who will kill himself when you find out that the Falklands (UK) remain and will remain british..laugh. Again and again you prove you're a real che idiot with your baseless comments. Keep it up..laugh.
All of this is just more spin from Lady K... Smoke and mirrors, appeal to the passion of Argentina instead of the intellect...
Mar 03rd, 2010 - 02:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0khh, comment 14. it's true, falklands are british; but you say “argentine is a turd”... Oh my friend... the true is UK is a turd, and the islanders as considerate by london a degrad populate, second's citizens (terrible!!! and sad for them). Argentine is very big and a beatiful country
Mar 03rd, 2010 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Khh you are a clown, Argentina is a turd???? You need urgently to get your head out of your ass.!
Mar 03rd, 2010 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nicholas, if you don't want to kill yourself for us to have a better wolrd is ok, Osama bin Laden will do it soon. LOL
The truth is that Brown/Cameron, Obama and Chavez are going to sell the Falklands down the swannee.<br />
Mar 06th, 2010 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All the confused and fearful messages on here indicate that you know it too.
Oh dear, seems Spain isn't going to support Argentina through its EU presidency term as Argentina had hoped.<br /><br />
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”BRUSSELS, March 5 (UPI) -- Despite deep cultural ties, Spain has sent Argentina a strong message it doesn't want the European Union involved in any kind of mediation initiative over the British drilling for hydrocarbons in the waters of Falklands.<br /><br />
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Spain currently holds the rotating six-month presidency of the EU and was widely expected in Argentine diplomatic quarters to be more sympathetic than other European states to Argentina's current campaign to bring its claims over Falklands to an international forum.<br /><br />
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http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Special/2010/03/05/EU-stays-clear-of-Falkland-Islands-oil-dispute/UPI-70871267823016/
Rijker ....... which planet do you live on ??
Mar 07th, 2010 - 02:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Britain is broke they own politicians say that
Mar 08th, 2010 - 01:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU3t2c92UK8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU3t2c92UK8&feature=related
Samuel, don't get too excited. We are gearing up for an election in the UK and don't forget, those are the opinions of a single politician - hardly the whole political class as you imply.
Mar 08th, 2010 - 08:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0J..A. ROBERT, i answer your messagge of the old articule.<br />
Mar 08th, 2010 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know perfectly when my country started to sink it's self, for the time that you make reference, this is evident that you dont like peron.<br />
If you want to talk about polictic, you must be objetive, we must talk about the mistakes, and the achievements of the politicians, i know that what i am saying could sound obvious, but unfortunatelly, when i heard people talking about politic, i realise that they lack so much of objetivity.<br />
I agree that peron was demagogue and autoritarian, but he was also the father of the argentine traditional middle class, in that time my country was the first economy of latin america, before him the workers had nothing, he gave dignity to them, he gave many benefices to them, in spite of all the mistakes he made, he became into a true stadist, he didn't give only shoes and candys to the poor peolpe, and everyone were happy like some idiot ignorant say, specially in this forum.<br />
He industrialised the country, and he believed also in the economic independence, millions of people inmigrated to argentina in that time, there were planty of oportunitys, it's was the true, argentina de la opulencia, there was so much more social justice than now, and than others times, for me the most important, is the social justice.<br />
The sinking of argentina started in 1975 after el rodrigazo, it was a terrible devaluation of the peso, most people lost everything, what happened next, was even worst, the militar dictatorship was the most destructive goverment of the last 200 years, the neoliberal economic program of extreme right, decimated the national industry, increased the exterior debt from 8 thousand million dollars to 60 thosand million dollars, with out mentionig the terrible violations to the human rights, and the unforgiven guerra de malvinas, anyway the consolidation of this repugnant economic program of extreme right, continued during the 90, when all our patrimony was sold, and the unemploitment increased from 8 in 1989, to 15 in 1999, some day this miserable situation had to explote, that finally happened in dicember of 2001, this is how my country changed of being the 5th reechest nation in the world, to the 23th one.<br />
About the agreements that you refer, this is all i know, i rode that kirchner recalled the exploration agreement, in 2005, because it didn't benefit at all argentina, i dont if is it true or not, but this is all i know and rode about it.<br />
There is something really curious on you, if you are not a falkland islander, why do you defend so strongly the british posture?.
Kirchnener tore up the agreement in 2007 because it was assumed that the oil wouldn't be viable economically, she had also just gone through the so called “suitcase scandal”.
Mar 09th, 2010 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0So it was a short term political stunt....unfortunaly shes paying the price now. Just to think this whole diplomatic row wouldn't have kicked of if the agreement was still in place.
A tragedy it just propells the Falklanders further and further from Argentina.
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