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Strong reference to the Falklands at Venezuela’s dawn of ‘a new independence’
Argentina’s president Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner called on Monday for the end to the Falklands/Malvinas “colonial enclave”, as she forecasted from Venezuela, standing as a privileged guest next to Hugo Chavez, that Latinamerica is in the process of a “second independence”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThe Falkland Islands are not a colonial situation at all. It would be Argentina, if it tried to take the islands against the wishes of the people of the Falklands, who would be introducing a colonial situation. Argentina would not go to the ICJ over this as they know that they would lose. So to mention legal issues is an act of hipocrasy on the part of Argentinas president. The islands belong to the islanders and are not the UK's to give away nor Argentina's to take.
Apr 20th, 2010 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kirshener the plastic president wrote ““I’m convinced we are facing a second independence” and this means that the Malvinas islands will eventually return to their legitimate origin, Argentina supported by law, history, geography and the inalienable rights of the Argentine people.”
Apr 20th, 2010 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh the irony!!!! When will Argentina eventually return to their legitimate origin - the indigenous peoples that were killed as their land was stolen!!! Damn hipocrasy on the part of a silly twit in charge of Argentina who knows nothing of the history of South America - or choses to forget it when it becomes inconvenient.
For someone who knows what Argentina was like under a military dictatorship CFK has a strange way of indicating her support for democratic principles. She appears to forget the fact that the Islanders are free to make their own democratic choices and she sunggles up to another dictator in military uniform.
Apr 20th, 2010 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What has she acomplished? The drilling continues and ships come and go unimpeded.
You make an interesting point there Beef. She sides with a lunatic dictator but that is but another indication as to just how feeble she knows Argentina's claim to the Falklands actually is. Perhaps she learnt a lot from the dictators of Argentina and thinks that she can apply what she learnt to the people of the Falklands. She will lose and will always lose. The Falkland Islands are not the UK's to give away nor Argentina's to take - they belong to the islanders themselves. Only a dictator would think otherwise.
Apr 20th, 2010 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas yn Arianain bob amber yn !
Apr 20th, 2010 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[[[ translation for Welsh friends who forgot their own language ]]]
Malvinas is always Argentine !
gdr. Is there any valid reason why you are copying your posts from another mercopress story?
Apr 20th, 2010 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have correctly identifed that there exists a Welsh language (congratulations that was really hard wans't it). Is there an Argentinian language? Nope you rely on your Spanish masters for that one. Yes Spain, the same country you and Jihad Jorge think are primative for having a monarchy? They are primitive enough to give you your medium of communication as well as much much more.
You are a good laugh at times.
Today, The Hague said that Uruguay have violated the “Uruguay River treaty” with Argentina (of course Mercopress an independent and uruguayan media hasnt publish any article) , where is the punishment to this country??? which punish will have UK to stolen our South Atlantic islands since 1833???
Apr 20th, 2010 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nitrojuan wrote “which punish will have UK to stolen our South Atlantic islands since 1833???”
Apr 20th, 2010 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK never stole your islands in 1833. Thing is - even if it were true, which it isn't, what difference would it make? After all the USA took land after 1833, Argentina stole land after 1833, France did, etc etc etc. It happened all the time back then. Will the USA give back land to Mexico? Will Argentina give back the land it took? Argentina is itself a country that was formed from land stolen from the indigenous people. If what Argentina says about 1833 were true, which history shows that it isn't, then what you are saying is that you want back land that you stole in the first place. But then this is all hypothetical as the Falklands were not Argentine in 1833 anyway.
beef ...........what is your opinion ?
Apr 20th, 2010 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0which one will separate into parts firstly ! UK ? Spain ?
7# Nitrojuan
Apr 20th, 2010 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What punishment shal we offer to the people , who stole the area which belonged to the Mapuches.
Whole South America has been stolen and colonised or.....???
Do you have double standards or???
Regards from Scandinavia (not a colony!)
The Falkland Islands have never been a part of Argentina ... historically, legally or indeed, in any other way. They are never likely to be as the UN would support independence, not a handover.
Apr 21st, 2010 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0THis is just the usual crap from an Argentine Government in trouble politically.
Nothing is happening :-)
#7 - Nitrojuan ..... interesting assessment ...... wrong obviously!
Apr 21st, 2010 - 12:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe you should read it again :-)
Just for nitrojuan ....
Apr 21st, 2010 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0THE HAGUE, 20 April 2010. The International Court of Justice (ICJ), principal judicial organ of the United Nations, today delivered its Judgment in the case concerning Pulp Mills on the River Uruguay (Argentina v. Uruguay).
In its Judgment, which is final, without appeal and binding on the Parties, the Court,
(1) finds, by thirteen votes to one, that the Eastern Republic of Uruguay has breached its procedural obligations under Articles 7 to 12 of the 1975 Statute of the River Uruguay and that the declaration by the Court of this breach constitutes appropriate satisfaction;
(2) finds, by eleven votes to three, that the Eastern Republic of Uruguay has not breached its substantive obligations under Articles 35, 36 and 41 of the 1975 Statute of the River Uruguay;
(3) rejects, unanimously, all other submissions by the Parties.
SO - a procedural fault but the mill isn't polluting as per the spurious claim by Argentina, and the mill can stay where it is an carry on operating. Some kind of win :-)
Oh Argentina, you are like a silly child. You may never know how stupid you look in the eyes of the world! When people need a laugh they probably google 'latest argie claims to the Falklands' otherwise they go on about life without a thought for your (in world terms) worthless country.
Apr 21st, 2010 - 06:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0How's the marriage appeal gdr?
Argentina is still a country with vast colonial ambitions as its attitude towards the Falkland Islands confirms. The only thing that Argentina has learnt from its genocidal colonial past is how to carry it on into the 21st Century. Argentina wants to end colonialism - fine. A good start would be for Argentina to drop its colonial claim to the Falklands. A claim that is spurious, not based upon the facts or history. I repeat - if Argentina is really being truthful about wanting to end colonialism let it put its money where its mouth is and stop trying to impose colonialism on the Falklands. QED
Apr 21st, 2010 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0One can only assume the economic situation is getting worse. It appears that you can easily gauge the true state of it by extrapolating from the number of words she wastes on the Falklands issue.
Apr 21st, 2010 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's also ironic that she sucks up to the Venezuelan dictator on the day that Argentina imprisoned one of it's own for 25 years.
Lets see Nitro Jam-The Hague hans't ruled on it because the said event took place 130 years out of it jurisdiction.
Apr 21st, 2010 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BTW were you an extra on lord of rings, the phrase “you stolllzzz it from usss!” seems to be a recurring theme of nonsense.
As for your islands, your historic duration (5 years) is so embarrasing you have to borrow periods of time from Spain! And then base it on inheritance (BTW i thought inheritance was when it was willingly left in the will, not taken when boot out your mother before her last breath?)
How long before they demand South Georgia and the SSIs too?
Apr 21st, 2010 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Idlehands wrote “How long before they demand South Georgia and the SSIs too?”
Apr 21st, 2010 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They do claim them - even though their claim is even MORE tenuous than their claim to the Falklands. They have no grip upon reality.
LOL. I needed a good laugh today, Thank for your help bunch of pirates.
Apr 21st, 2010 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is right on its demand to the ICJ, it recognized Uruguay has violated some of the articles of Uruguay River Treaty!!!!, but the pulp stays!!!!
That court is clearly biased in favour of economic interests.
It's useless to go to ICJ regarding Malvinas issue. They will say Argentina is right beacause UK has violated argentine sovereignty, but what is done is done, so UK is not obligated to negotiate.
You are clearly SOB!!!!!! and hypocrites!!!!
UK is made by a bunch of thieves!!!
The Malvinas were, is and will be argentineans!!!!!
We'll come back!!!!!
You'll get your ass kicked out of there!!!!
You'll see!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jihad Jorge ejaculated “UK is made by a bunch of thieves!!!”
Apr 21st, 2010 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This from an Argentinean!!!! Remember who you stole your land from? Your country is the product of theft and genocide.
Jihad Jorge spued out in impotent rage “The Malvinas were, is and will be argentineans!!!!!
We'll come back!!!!!
You'll get your ass kicked out of there!!!!
You'll see!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
The Falklands are not yours and never were yours. As to kicking our asses. LOL...look at how well your last attempt went. What a silly
Pinche Cabron you are;-)
Jorge - “ .... The Malvinas were, is and will be argentineans!!!!!
Apr 21st, 2010 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We'll come back!!!!!
You'll get your ass kicked out of there!!!!
You'll see!!!!!!!!!! .... ”
No jorgy boy we won't see .... and niether will you. The Islands will get their independence eventually and Argentina will never succeed with it's spurious claims. If the ICJ ever did get to rule on the sovereignty issue Argentina would lose ..... not because the court is biased, but because Argentina's case is more full of holes than the Belgrano !
No problem :-)
Hoytred. the only reason Falklands are still an overseas territory is because they require British troops to defend themselves in case Argentina attacks.
Apr 22nd, 2010 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's funny, they claim to want to put an end to colony's. Yet they seek to make Falklands one, and in doing so stop the Falklands from becoming truly independent.
Then again, i don't think the Falklands islanders have much of a call for being independent, they seem content being an overseas territory. Argentina refuses to see this.
“The Malvinas were, is and will be argentineans!!!!!”
Apr 22nd, 2010 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 02 braincells unused previous owner Jorge Rio-
You don't really know how daft this statement sounds do you? How can they be yours when you don't actually have sovereignty over then? They either are yours or they aren't you have had something lost it and still have and then will have it?
Argentina doesn't go to the ICJ because shes scared, scared that the ICJ will rule against her The historical foundations are shakey needless to say, they had to invent a whole new principle to compensate for Argentina embarrasing duration of ownership of the territory.
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Apr 23rd, 2010 - 05:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jorgebobo, who has never been further than Paraguay, Brazil and Chile now lectures about what he thinks all the Irish think of all the English.
Apr 23rd, 2010 - 07:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's a bit more complicated than that Jorgebobo, but then I would not expect you to understand. It's too much of an intellectual challenge.
Oh, and the irony is Ireland is part of the British Isles, so in the loosest sense of the word, the Irish are British. Lost on Jorgebobo no doubt...
Apr 23rd, 2010 - 07:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0So, yet again we have Jihad Jorge coming out in support of terrorism and terrorists. Yet again we have him not understanding his own countries history - its violent, colonial and genocidal past. Jihad Jorge is, without doubt, an ignorant nobody.
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Apr 23rd, 2010 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 030 horacioyanes - “Esta porción de Británicos que viven en las Islas Malvinas. Debería entender que la independencia no la van a tener nunca mientras exista un conflicto de Soberanía.
Apr 23rd, 2010 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lo mejor que pueden hacer es pasar a ser una nueva Provincia de Argentina, disfrutar de buenas carnes, vinos y tantas otras cosas.
Mientras tanto estarán encima de una Bomba de tiempo.”
Why is the “best we can do” is have the Falklands become another province of Argentina?
The best we can do is keep things exactly as they are with the Falklands under British sovereignty as the islanders wish.
If Argentina want to stamp their feet, shake their fist, and rattle their sabres they can do so, and in the mean time the islanders will continue their very Birtish way of life on a very British island in the South Atlantic.
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Apr 23rd, 2010 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jorgy Boy - “...For eight hundred years we've fought you without fear...”
Apr 23rd, 2010 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No fear, but not much success either ..... you lot of revolutionaries sure know how to .... LOSE :-)
Erm Horacio, if the “Malvinas son Argentinas” why is there no Argentine flag flying over “Puerto Argentino”?
Apr 23rd, 2010 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'll help you out a bit. I know it's hard for you brainwashed Argies to understand. It's because the Falklands are, and freely choose to remain, British. Self determination trumps your manufactured claim any day.
Don't worry Horacio, this ignorants are always talking this crap! One has to deal with them. You know that our flag will be waving again there. The current sh*tty flag will be removed no matter what those squatters wish!
Apr 23rd, 2010 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jorgebobo said: “Ireland hates you, why??? We all know, f*cking pirates!!!”
Apr 23rd, 2010 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once again, a man who has never travelled out of South America speaks for all the Irish. This man really needs to be cracked over the head with a hurley.
I can just picture Jorgebobo, now an expert in all things Irish because he once saw an IRA video on youtube, on his first trip to Ireland. I can just see him there, marching down the Garvaghy Road on the 12th July in a touchingly ignorant show of solidarity with his Irish comrades, in a misguided belief that he is united with them all in their hatred for the English.
“For eight hundred years we've fought you without fear
Apr 23rd, 2010 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And we will fight you for eight hundred more.”
Is the funnest part of that poem. Didn't your whole navy sit in harbor during the Falklands, after we sank one ship? Fearless!
Also, didn't your 10,000 strong invasion ground force surrender to a British force under half the size? Hardly fearless.
Your air force was fearless, Yet...it didn't help them much.
Malvinas ,yn 1833 cipio ,erbyn y prydeinig dan Americanaidd gynffon !
Apr 23rd, 2010 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[[[ translation for Brits who have different language from Welsh ]]]
Malvinas are grabbed in 1833,under the tail of Americans !
Roberto, mira el cielo sobre las Islas y ahí está nuestra bandera!!!
Apr 23rd, 2010 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Los argentinos no entendemos el pedido de los Britanicos que viven en las islas, porque los consideramos usurpadores!!!
Que clase de educación les enseñan a los Británicos???
Sabes el significado de Usurpación?
Usurpador: La palabra usurpador es un término despectivo, y como tal no fácilmente definible, como la persona que tomó el poder normalmente tratan de legitimar su posición, mientras que denigrar la de su predecesor. En aras de esta lista, sin embargo, el término se define como cualquier persona que toma el poder la fuerza de un gobernante establecido, sin consideración a que la legitimidad del gobernante.
Ejemplos famosos son considerados usurpadores Enrique IV de Inglaterra , Miguel de Portugal y Habibullah Ghazi de Afganistán .
“Usurper usurper The word is a derogatory term, and as such is not easily definable, as the person who took power usually try to legitimize their position, while denigrating that of his predecessor. For the sake of this list, however, the term is defined as any person who takes over the power of a ruler in place, without regard to the legitimacy of the ruler.
Famous examples are considered usurpers Henry IV of England, Miguel of Portugal and Habibullah Ghazi of Afghanistan. ”
Jihad Jorge the supporter of child killers ejaculated “The current sh*tty flag will be removed no matter what those squatters wish!”
Apr 23rd, 2010 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And yet again we see that Jihad Jorge hates democracy and has no concern for the rights of self determination of others. He is a fascist.
horacioyanes wrote “Usurper usurper The word is a derogatory term, and as such is not easily definable, as the person who took power usually try to legitimize their position, while denigrating that of his predecessor. For the sake of this list, however, the term is defined as any person who takes over the power of a ruler in place, without regard to the legitimacy of the ruler. ”
Apr 23rd, 2010 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Such as Argentina tried to do in 1982 and, if that kiddy killing retard Jihad Jorge had his way, would do again!
www.cilmeri.org/eng/?page_id=5
Apr 23rd, 2010 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0pwysau gefnogwr Prydeinig Gellir darllen y testun Saesneg !
[[translation for Brits who have different language from Welsh ]]
foreign Brits can read this linked text easily !
jajajajaja Roberts don't get angry I always insult you, you always insult me, but I like you and I know you like me. No es así pelotudín????
Apr 23rd, 2010 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Christopher Ball, andate a la recalcada c*ncha de tu hermana!!!!
So ... still nothing happening .... still nothing to talk about ...... the islands are still British ...... still no problem then .....
Apr 24th, 2010 - 01:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0What I fail to understand is what the Argies think we should talk about? They cannot come up with a decent argument as to why they should occupy the Falkland Islands and yet they still want talks .... what a waste of time .... can't see it ever happening !
Jihad Jorge - the supporter of child killers - wrote “Christopher Ball, andate a la recalcada c*ncha de tu hermana!!!!”
Apr 24th, 2010 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0What are you on about and who is this person you keep refering to?
Hoytred wrote “What I fail to understand is what the Argies think we should talk about? They cannot come up with a decent argument as to why they should occupy the Falkland Islands and yet they still want talks .... what a waste of time .... can't see it ever happening !”
Apr 24th, 2010 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0But if they did publically recognise what they do privately, in that they know their claim to the islands are spurious and without foundation, they would not have at their disposal the tool they use to try to hide their incompetance as a government. What would they be able to wheel out whenever they, as a government, became unpopular?
That's very romantic Horacio but what about when one looks up a the sky at night, and what about on a cloudy day? Just a load of meaningless tosh you learned at school.
Apr 24th, 2010 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks also for your copy and past from wikipedia re the word usurper, but that too is irrelevant. You may as well copy and paste what wikipedia says about pansies...
All quiet from Jorgeboboludo on the Garvaghy Road road...
Apr 24th, 2010 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0J.A ; below link is not from Wikipedia !
Apr 24th, 2010 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0www.cilmeri.org/eng/?page_id=5
no thanks !??
35 jorge! (#): Are you really THAT delusional? Explain to me, just exactly how are you going to get your flag flying in the Falklands again?
Apr 24th, 2010 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0There are a few possibility's...
Britain could give them back..... lol, we know thats not going to happen. Even if you had support from several major world powers we're a stubborn bunch.
Military action.....lol.
UN sanctions - VETO.
You could try ICJ, but any sane court would just throw it out.
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Apr 24th, 2010 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 050 !
Apr 24th, 2010 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0none of these possibilities !
surpriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiise !
horacioyanes wrote “Christopher, lo que hicieron en 1933 fue un acto de usurpación. Y ahora reclaman auto determinación jajaja me da risa lo cara dura que son.”
Apr 24th, 2010 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly - as you have been asked before and as Mercopress as also - can you post in English please.
Secondly - the FACTS are that it was Argentina that attempted to usurp the islands from the UK. Sorry to burst your bubble but what you have been taught is WRONG. And history shows that to be the case. In 1833 Britain conducted a police action to take back that which Argentina, well the United Provinces, tried to steal from her. And even if the story was as you have implied, which it isn't, it still wouldn't matter as Argentina, along with other countries at that time, also took land from others. But it didn't happen as Argentina tries to claim - even in the face of all the evidence. All we ever get is a repeat of the same lies. Nothing else. And we also seem to have evidence of a very selective memory from Argentina. Remember - that which YOU accuse us of doing you did yourself to create Argentina. So STOP trying to claim the moral high ground. It doesn't wash.
Now you can laugh as much as you want BUT it is the UN that has given the right of self determination to the people of the Falklands. You do support the UN don't you?
Horacio, are you going to give back all the territory you Argentines “usurped” from the Mapuche and the Tehuelche etc in the 1870s?
Apr 25th, 2010 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0J A Roberts wrote “Horacio, are you going to give back all the territory you Argentines “usurped” from the Mapuche and the Tehuelche etc in the 1870s?”
Apr 25th, 2010 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Shhh! They don't like to talk about that and when they do they have convinced themselves that the facts of the matter are not the case and it doesn't matter in any debate on the Falklands - the Argentine art of self delusion is a wonder to behold;-)
Zethe, chupame un huevo. Your country is gonna disappear and we'll gain control of what is our.
Apr 25th, 2010 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Roberts, Mamála!!!
Do the Mapuches have a claim in th UN??? - NO
Does Argentina have a claim in the UN??? - YES
Will UK have for ever veto power??? - NO (LOL)
Will UK get out of its debt and deficit crisis? - NO (LMFAO)
Will Argentina recover the islands???? - YEAAAAH (ROFLMFAO)
What happen Chris Ball?
Apr 25th, 2010 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do the Mapuches have a claim in th UN??? - NO
Apr 25th, 2010 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's because you Argies killed them all with your “rifle patrias”...
Jihad Jorge wrote “Do the Mapuches have a claim in th UN??? - NO
Apr 25th, 2010 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is because you killed most of them and those that survive would be murdered if they did speak up.
Jihad Jorge wrote ”Does Argentina have a claim in the UN??? - YES“
Not one that is of any value. Not one that you dare take to an actual body that would come to a conclusion on it such as the ICJ.
Jihad Jorge wrote ”Will UK have for ever veto power??? - NO (LOL)“
We still have it and you never will LOL
Jihad Jorge wrote ”Will UK get out of its debt and deficit crisis? - NO (LMFAO)“
We have more chance of improving the situation than your silly country has. Given the terrible state of your economy and the corruption - it isn't really something you should be throwing at the UK.
Jihad Jorge wrote ”Will Argentina recover the islands???? - YEAAAAH (ROFLMFAO”
Unless the islanders change their minds it isn't going to happen. And if it did it wouldn't be you 'recovering' the islands as they were never yours to recover.
Jihad Jorge wrote “What happen Chris Ball?”
Apr 25th, 2010 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And this person you keep refering to is?
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Apr 25th, 2010 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jihad Jorge wrote “P.S. Chris Ball, that is you Christine!!!”
Apr 25th, 2010 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is it? Are you sure? Are you now a stalker?
Robert and Chsistopher the Argentine people is mostly composed of aboriginal descent in Spanish, as in my case.
Apr 25th, 2010 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whoever claims the islands is the Argentine people!
The Mapuches are not a native of the Argentine people, but if they are indigenous inhabiting the territory given that since the 19th century were conquering other peoples Autoctonos/Originarios.
Apr 25th, 2010 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Mapuche (mapudungun: mapuche, 'people of the Earth')? South-central Chile, which at the beginning of the XIX century settled in southern Argentina conquering tehuelches natives and het are an indigenous people of the area.
Apr 25th, 2010 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's right. Mapuches stole the lands of tehuelches and now are being shown as mere victims of argentines by these disgusting brits. The thing is they have no proof to be in Malvinas, so they come out with all this bullshit!
Apr 26th, 2010 - 05:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Christine Ball, you used to post here with that last name!!! I didn't do anything other than check some mercopress articles two years ago.
The Malvinas were, is and will be argentineans!!! For ever!!!
Apr 26th, 2010 - 05:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0We'll come back!!!
Maradona's got more chance of making a comeback!
Apr 26th, 2010 - 06:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0And what's with 'come back' anyway? To where? Difficult to 'go back' to what you're never held!
Still no sense from the Argies the, still nothing to discuss :-)
Horacio, you can't be aboriginal to Argentina if you are of Spanish descent and I'm sorry, but the Mapuche, amongst many other peoples ARE aboriginal or indigenous to Argentina. What a load of nonsense you and Jorge write!
Apr 26th, 2010 - 06:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.unpo.org/content/view/7895/127/
http://www.mapuche-nation.org
Apr 26th, 2010 - 07:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0lol and for those who ask how Argentina is gonna recover Malvinas,
Apr 26th, 2010 - 08:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0I introduce you the british bomb that will explode anytime soon and will make disappear your country.
www.debtbombshell.com/
www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/6539671/UK-more-at-risk-than-other-major-economies-of-losing-top-credit-rating.html
Apr 26th, 2010 - 08:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0lol. How funny it is........
is a person repeats themselves this often .... we call it 'wind' lol
Apr 26th, 2010 - 08:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anybody else notice a bad smell whenever Jihad Jorge appears? He is nothing but anal gas;-)
Apr 26th, 2010 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear
Apr 26th, 2010 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=9&oq=argentina+debt+&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4RNWN_enGB261GB262&q=argentina+debt+2010
Jeez - Why is Jihad Jorge posting links to what he thinks will be the cause of Argentina stealing the Falklands by default through the UK's financial concerns at the moment? If, as he erroneously thinks, the UK cannot hold onto the Falklands because of debt - then it follows, using the same twisted 'logic' that he uses, given Argentina's woeful financial situation and its past defaults and current deep problems, she will never be able to afford the Falklands and wouldn't be able to steal them.
Apr 26th, 2010 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0If the UK is experiencing a few problems now it is nothing compared to what Argentina is facing and has experienced over the years. Argentina is a financial basket case!!!
anal gas, now you are scatologic, you are disgusting prick.
Apr 26th, 2010 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0My toilet paper has your face Mr Ball. lol
Jihad Jorge the baby killer wrote “anal gas, now you are scatologic, you are disgusting prick.”
Apr 26th, 2010 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yawn - I see that whilst you can dish it out you cannot take it.
Jiahd Jorge ejaculated “My toilet paper has your face Mr Ball. lol”
Who is this person you keep refering to and why do you think that it is me?
Roberts, www.Mapuche-nation.org is a farce, surely a group formed by some mapuche head and behind English with political interests.
Apr 26th, 2010 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0In Patagonia, Argentina have nothing to claim the Mapuche. The Mapuche were responsible for the extermination of the tehuelches, which were authentic Aboriginal people of Northern Patagonia Argentina 1830-1880.
“surely a group formed by some mapuche head and behind English with political interest”
Apr 26th, 2010 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ever notice how anything criticising Argentina is always dismissed. Wonder if Orwell came up with the idea of Double Think from Argentina.
Justin Kuntz wrote “Ever notice how anything criticising Argentina is always dismissed. Wonder if Orwell came up with the idea of Double Think from Argentina.”
Apr 26th, 2010 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is a pattern to them. They cannot take anyone showing that there is another side to the story. But this is a symptom of their ailment - you see they have been so indoctrinated that they become fearful if anything challenges that which they have been brainwashed into believing. Rather than look at the counter argument they choose to ignore/dismiss/deny it. Their world would fall apart if they actually opened themselves up to an alternative viewpoint. I pity them...
The story of his greed takes them to suspicions in everything.
Apr 26th, 2010 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Question:
Because there are British in a mapuche organization.
You make me laugh Horacio. Many times in this forum have we seen Argentines trying to prove what bloodthirsty imperialists the British are by pointing to the Australian Aboriginals example.
Apr 26th, 2010 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Amusingly, this Mapuche Nation organisation, which you think is a farce, joins with Australian Aboriginals amongst others to form the UNPO. http://www.unpo.org/ How amusingly ironic...
Horacio, you should think a bit before putting your fingers to the keyboard, because when you come out with stuff like you did above in comment #79, you just make yourself look stupid and ignorant and you show a breathtaking ignorance of your own country's history.
Roberts, I well know the history of my country. Not the story invented for the convenience of some.
Apr 26th, 2010 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you got a bit of education, we continue this conversation in terms of mutual respetuo. Who insults reveals that has no arguments and little common sense.
“Not the story invented for the convenience of some.”
Apr 26th, 2010 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No the official Argentine history is the invented one. Open your eyes.
The British have the truth of everything?
Apr 26th, 2010 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How much wisdom.....
Well Horacio, then perhaps you could stop making assertions you can't back up. For example that the Mapuche Nation organisation is a farce headed by a Mapuche and backed by the British. You have absolutely no evidence to back that up, in fact there is a mountain of evidence to the contrary. When someone writes stuff like that, they do nothing but invite ridicule, which is exactly what you got!
Apr 26th, 2010 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once again, I encourage you to think before you type, because you only end up insulting your own intelligence if you write comments like #79, and not only that, you insult thousands and thousands of indigenous people who died in Argentine massacres and continue to suffer today...
Based on the items in the article, Mrs Kirchner appears to be a crook. Does this say anything about the country(?) she presides over?
Apr 26th, 2010 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The interesting thing on www.mapuche-nation.org is that it is full of critism against Chile, not Argentina.
Apr 27th, 2010 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.mapuche-nation.org/espanol/main/especial/nacion_m/situacion.htm
Also,
..........“On the 11th of May 1996 a group of Mapuches and Europeans ”concerned???” with the fate of the indigenous peoples and nations of the Americas, and in particular with the Mapuche people of Chile and Argentina , launched the Mapuche International Link (MIL) in BRISTOL, UK.”............
- mmmmmm...........I don't know if Horacio is right, but I wouldn't say he is wrong, at least one could be suspicious.
The site didn't mention the genocide against Tehuelches made by Mapuches when they came to this side of the mountain range. Everyone knows they came from Chile killing the indigenous on this side.
Anyway that is not justification to do what Roca did. The truth be told!
56 jorge! (#):
Apr 27th, 2010 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Will UK have for ever veto power??? - NO (LOL)”
Erm, yes. As part of the security council the United kingdom will always have Veto powers. New members of the security council will not receive a veto. It is something reserved for the current and founding members of the UN, a price paid in blood i believe(ww2).
”Will UK get out of its debt and deficit crisis? - NO (LMFAO)”
The UK has been in debt before, i don't even think this is our highest debt we've ever obtained. If thats your plan on getting back the islands it's flawed.
You will not have veto power for ever when you and USA are loosing power on international issues. Besides other veto power countries like Russia, France and China agree to the incorporation of Brazil among others to the security council as a permanent member and remove the veto power. You are playing with fire, If UN doesn't change that, it will lose power and credibility.
Apr 28th, 2010 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Everyone thought G-8 was going to be always the club which manage world's economy, now is dead!!!! China, Brazil and India are growing and will be more powerful than you. That's why today's most important meeting is G-20, not G-8 anymore.
The future of your country is the present of Yogoslavia, deal with it!!!
Jihad Jorge wrote “Besides other veto power countries like Russia, France and China agree to the incorporation of Brazil among others to the security council as a permanent member and remove the veto power. ”
Apr 28th, 2010 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have no real concerns with the security council being enlarged - but if you REALLY think that Russia and China would, given their own problems, give up the power of veto you are being somewhat gullible. Oh but I forgot who it was I was talking to.....;-)
Jihad Jorge wrote “The future of your country is the present of Yogoslavia, deal with it!!!”
Apr 28th, 2010 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know, given Argentina's long and continued financial woes - it isn't really fitting for you to cast such stones, sonny. Think about it...;-)
Oh dear Jihad Jorge Rios squawking again!
Apr 29th, 2010 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0The whole reason the security council was created was so as to prevent idiot countries like Argentina, Venezuela, Iran and Iraq from putting their opinion's into actions and doing something daft and we shall keep it that way, some countries sadly have not reached a level of development and maturity which enables them to function in a manner that would be beneficial to the world.
I suppose they are comparable these countries, to 16 year olds wanting the vote have all the normal rights and respect as others, however still not mature enough to think in a rational manner, Argentina is certainly one of these countries, screeches and squawks and knocks it's food bowl over when looking at the falklands, is this the action of a mature country worthy of such power, I think not.....cheer up old Chap Jorge, I am sure when you lose the 2nd and 3rd Falklands war you might get the point.
As for us going the way of Yugoslavia, I didn't know the UK was an artificially created slavic country by the great powers after world war 1 as a buffer to Turkish and Austrian hegemony that already had a long history of inter ethnic violence?
As for Argentina, perhaps you might go the way of the US in the 1860's? The central govt becomes too autocratic and botches up the job so much financially that the economic weaker and less populated provinces see seccession as the only means to ensure their future?
It's happening Jorge like with everywhere Patatgonia and Tierra del Fuego have been maligned and ignored by BA for too long, think about Jorge you lot don't matter to BA, your support is taken for granted and you are nothing but a large milking cow for Buenos Aires.
As usual christine wrote nothing of importance.
Apr 29th, 2010 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can't read #94. It appears as a jamaican virus.
91: You will not have veto power for ever when you and USA are loosing power on international issues. Besides other veto power countries like Russia, France and China agree to the incorporation of Brazil among others to the security council as a permanent member and remove the veto power. You are playing with fire, If UN doesn't change that, it will lose power and credibility.
Apr 29th, 2010 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong. Very wrong. I don't see how the USA is loosing power currently they spend almost as much on defense as the rest of the world does(47% i believe).
And no, France china and Russia are NOT in any way considering the removal of the veto power. All the country's on the security council do want to enlarge it. But all five country's would make it very to remove the veto. New members of the security council will not likely get a veto.
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