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Argentina, full of confidence at home and abroad, including the Malvinas Islands
Argentina formally appealed to the British government to discuss sovereignty over the Falklands/Malvinas Islands in a column signed by Foreign Affairs minister Jorge Taiana, published Tuesday in The Guardian in coincidence with the commemoration of Argentina’s bicentenary. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesYou'll be able to gauge the British attitude to this from the comments at the bottom of the article:
May 26th, 2010 - 08:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/may/25/the-spirit-of-argentina-malvinas
I notice they carefully chose The Guardian to make this statement. Readers of the Times and Telegraph would have just laughed at it.
Indeed... Well, the talks would have to be tripartate (i.e. with representitives from Argentina, the UK and the Falkland Islands), which would be a bit of a sticking point for Argentina.
May 26th, 2010 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0I can pretty much guess how the conversation would go:
Arg: “All of your islands are belong to us”
FI: “**** off”
UK: “we support the position of the Falkland Islands Government”
leaving us absolutely no further forward than we are now.
Perhaps the British and Falkland Islands Press ought to start screaming and yelling and demanding that Argentina complies with resolution 1514 and formally abandon their (frankly dubious) claim on the islands and allow them to pursue their right to self-determination; by virtue of that right to freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.
Idlehands you are quite right, the Guardian has had a couple of articles in recent months supporting the Argentine claims and this obviously has been seen as a supportive newspaper in the UK. The ONLY one I suspect and the Guardian should be ashamed of itself for entertaining such spurious claims. It was however pleasing to note that the vast majority of the reader's comments dismissed the Argentine claim.
May 26th, 2010 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Newspaper stir shit pies to sell advertising. I hope the new govt in the UK does not start apologizing like Obama did..
May 26th, 2010 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Guardian does not really carry much political clout and is the minow of the broadsheets. You get a few loony lefties reading daily in between doing cross stich and baking scones . These people are refered to as GROLIIES; Guardian Readers Of Limited Intelligence In Ethnic Skirts.
May 26th, 2010 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In reality we need to have such publications that take this tone as it demonstrates our democratic principles and the right for people to determine for themselves which paper to purchase. Self-determination an honourable concept; pity the Argentine leadership don't think so!
In the supermercados of BA at the moment sugar is rationed to 1kg per customer..butter .. 5 small pax....
May 26th, 2010 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I you see something on the shelves that you want, you buy it... it may not be there tomorrow...
“The promotion and defense of human rights is a state policy that strengthens our national identity and our leadership in the international community......We politically support the Union of South American Nations as a key forum for maintaining peace and democracy”
May 26th, 2010 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So It would appear Argentina has no problem in allowing the Falkland islands to democratically decide their own future in line with the human rights outlined in resolution 1514?
Or does promotion and defense of human rights, democracy and peace not apply to people who have consistently expressed a wish not to be part of Argentina?
Do you have anything to say about the posts rather than just the posters?
May 26th, 2010 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not sure if it is due to a difference in cultures but the general response I can gauge in the UK towards the advert is one of hilarity.
Why would the British come on to a South American newsboard to discuss a domestic issue? Especially as budgets and economics are rather dull.
May 26th, 2010 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would be interested in discussing the current crisis in Korea but Mercopress doesn't even appear to have reported this story that is dominating the news in the rest of the world.
Most of the contents of this letter are B. S.! When the famous (infamous?) war was going on in 1982, I remember that Borges said that the whole thing reminded him of two bald men fighting over a comb.
May 26th, 2010 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@10 gdr. I'm so glad that “the World doesn't turn around Malvinas ..there are many other subjects..”
May 26th, 2010 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So why don't you and your pals shut up about it?
@idlehands....this is one of them classic Korean crisis..
May 26th, 2010 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we have seen this movie before.. just distraction..
”Arg: “All of your islands are belong to us”
May 26th, 2010 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0FI: “**** off”
UK: “we support the position of the Falkland Islands Government”
lmao!
I am Argentinian and I am ashamed to say that the rubbish contained in Taiana's article does not represent reality. He totally misrepresents the requests of the United Nations. This article is risible and in no way represents the thoughts of most Argentines.
May 26th, 2010 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and who are you to say what represents the thought of most argentines????
May 26th, 2010 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your thought does not represent me!!!!
Malvinas Argentinas!!!! For ever!!!!!
“@idlehands....this is one of them classic Korean crisis..
May 27th, 2010 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0we have seen this movie before.. just distraction.. ”
This is a very different escalation to what we have seen in the past. They sank a South Korean warship killing 46 sailors in an unprovoked attack and are now able to detonate nuclear devices. Combined with the pending demise of Kim Jong Il it is a precariously unstable situation. China is a very different state to that which supported it in the 80s when it bombed a civilian aircraft killing 105 passengers and bombed a government delegation in Burma.
Even China is unable to control the situation and it could quite easily jump from a cold to a hot war.
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May 27th, 2010 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0ivo - your point is?
May 27th, 2010 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0I know exaclty what my risks are and quite like bubbles (when I sell at the top and buy at the bottom). Also going short in my spread bet account when the bubble is about to burst can make one very happy.
Stocktrufen - 6 units per day? In RKH I have nearer to 10,000 units!
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May 27th, 2010 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0#18. Alejo, on this forum, you are not the only person to be ashamed. Please understand that our country is full of ideological contrasts, principally borne out of our education system and media....... There are parallels to be drawn with events preceeding the 1st. Gulf war.
May 27th, 2010 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear, ivo doesn't seem to be having a lot of luck with his interesting, intelligent, erudite and thoughtful comments today, does he?
May 27th, 2010 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@19 jorge! Of course Alejo's comments don't represent you. He said “most”. He probably excludes ignorant, brain-dead, fascist, fanatical, militaristic morons. But be happy, I've already recommended that a portion of Falkland Islands oil revenues should be set aside for people like you. A nice padded room!
No, you idiot!!!! Most argentines support the claim, otherwise the claim wouldn't exist now!!!!
May 28th, 2010 - 03:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ignorant!!!!!!
27 jorge - “No, you idiot!!!! Most argentines support the claim, otherwise the claim wouldn't exist now!!!!
May 28th, 2010 - 07:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ignorant!!!!!! ”
And yet we just can't seem to find the time to care.
Were is the evidence that most Argentine support the claim Jorge? I've heard and read different, apparently it stands at roughly 72% and is going down every year, seems it just isn't the big pull factor it once was?
May 28th, 2010 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's interesting to note how in Professor Brescain's paper on Argentine nationalism it directly parallels spains massive drop in support for the Gibraltar claim which stands at roughly less than 40% of the population and about number 23 on a list of top 30 issues in Spain, about 15 behind Spain's apprent fall from grace in football, right after the fall of the Junta.
Extreme nationalism is strongly related with military or similar regimes, note how during 1850 until about 1930 not a peep from the democratic Argentine government, until like most other Europeanish states militaristic nationalism took ahold in the 1930's and suddenly issues of very little relevance to the countries well being dominated domestic and international issues.
Now Argentina's claim although roughly 73-6% beleive teh islands are theirs, apparently only 24% of those asked considered it to be of pressing concern and less than 4% listed it as within their top 10 concerns.
A trend is being followed here, like with all nationalist irredenta claims, they slowly lose much support over time, especially when the country becomes democratic.
Jorge we are grateful to know represents a slowly dying breed: the die hard racist extreme ultra far right nationalist Malvinist. I safely predict that with current trends his ilk and opinions would be restricted to the angry nutter next door, and that Argentina's claim will follow a low level expression of displeasure within a tripartite forum like Spain and Gibraltar, and by about 2033 I can safely say both claims will be dropped.
Look at that jorge! Facts and figures! Of course, you'll say that Rhaurie is wrong or a liar, but it doesn't matter because we won't believe you.
May 28th, 2010 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You could try making up your own figures, but since your arithmetic is probably on a par with your ability to conduct a courteous reasoned discussion, we won't believe that either.
Tough, son.
Of course he is a liar, he doesn't take the time to search on the web. If you agent00000000000 don't believe me, I don't give a sh*t!!!!!! Can you see???
May 28th, 2010 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rarie, you are full of sh*t, at least 80% of argentines support the claim, that's why the government insists, otherwise it wouldn't do it, very simple (for thinking people) and very complicated to understand for some idiots totally ignorants like you.
I'm a little leftist and have nothing to do with the ultra right, a person in favour of abortion and gay marriage is hardly from the right, your assertion is nonsense and demonstrates you know nothing about me nor my country, but please continue with your stupidity, I can learn from first hand what kind of ignorants some british are.
The claim of Malvinas is supported by the majority of Argentinian people. That is a fact.
May 28th, 2010 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I tell you one thing, you will not find ANY newspaper article in the ARG media saying we should drop the claim. Now you can't really say the same about UK, right? Like or not the Guardian is a massive media, I even recognize is a crappy source for information most of times... but still massive.
I just settle for now with a resolution to ban oil extraction in the islands, which should be easy specially with BP screwing up completely like a bunch of amateurs. Timing is perfect :)
Jorge.... Why don`t you eat pork and pork and much more pork??
May 28th, 2010 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It may help you to be interested in other things!!
Cristina tells so....
Pork is good, but I don't need it, at least I don't need it to do what you are thinking. Maybe you talk by your own experience! :-)
May 29th, 2010 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0MAP, the Guardian is in fact a minor left wing newspaper with only a small following and yet even there, if you bother to read the comments attached to the online article, you will find that most of its readers support the islands remaining British.
May 29th, 2010 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Rhaurie's argument is backed by some evidence although his figures still show a majority of Argentine's believing their governmen't unrelelnting propoganda. Hardly surprising really. What is more surprising against that backdrop, is the fact that dramatically fewer of them think the issue is important.
Argentine newspapers may not demand that the Argentine claim be dropped, but they don't seem to try to promote the issue either. Reporting if anything seems a little flat. I think most intelligent Argentines recognise the flaws in the claim and would rather devote their energies to other matters.
Hoytred, actually MAP is probably right.
May 29th, 2010 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0While the print run for the Grauniad is tiny (289k monthly avge),it was only recently pipped into 2nd place by the Daily Mail when it comes to online readers, that's a shade under 30 million unique readers per month, which I think could easily class as “massive”, well, relatively massive at least. See the Press Gazette for details.
Where MAP might be wrong is believing that the left-wing, sandal wearing, beardy, Guardianistas are all in full support of their preferred newspapers position regarding the Falklands. Just reading through the comments at the link below might put paid to that little notion:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/may/25/the-spirit-of-argentina-malvinas
The Guardian. Is that a newspaper? I thought it was a comic like The Beano.
May 29th, 2010 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Commenting for this story is now closed.
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