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Falklands’ oil exploration “looking at business options in Brazil”
Falkland Islands member of the Legislative Assembly Glen Ross said the Islands are interested in reaching a business agreement with Brazil for the maintenance of the oil rig currently involved in a round of exploratory drilling. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“sovereignty is not negotiable, and from the Argentine point of view, negotiations means taking all of it. The ancestors of Falklanders have been in the Islands for 170 years. My family arrived in 1842, I’m sixth generation. We didn’t expel any original communities, any aborigines; we have a discrepancy on that. The fact is that Argentines are not polite neighbours with nobody. I’m thankful for every drop of water that separates us from them”
Jun 15th, 2010 - 03:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well that pretty well rules out any negotiations in the foreseeable future! I also note that the UK is now only concerned with defence, foreign relations appear to have been passed to the islanders.
The reliability of Argentina's neighbours viz a viz treaties and expressions of support may soon be tested. I wonder what Barzil will do?
The book The last Colonies by Robert Aldrich and John Connell page 200
Jun 15th, 2010 - 04:18 am - Link - Report abuse 01833 ' The Brithish commander raise the Union Jack, claimed possession of the islands and expelled the Argentinians.
The Falklands officially became a Crown colony in 1840, a governor and a few Scotsmen arrived to establish a Brithish pastoral settlement. Argentina hotly disputed the Brithish takeover, and Buenos Aires made continual diplomatic representations over the next 150 years to recover the islands”
Marco - your authors are being dramatic, but they aren't very good historians ... check out the REAL diary of Charles Darwin. He was on the Falklands in March 1833 and recorded details of the population in his diary, i.e.
Jun 15th, 2010 - 05:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0March 1st 1833
“ We arrived early in the morning at Port Louis, the most Eastern point of the Falkland Islands: The first news we received was to our astonishment, that England had taken possession of the Falklands islands & that the Flag was now flying. — These islands have been for some time uninhabited, untill the Buenos Ayres Government, a few years since claimed them & sent some colonists. — Our government remonstrated against this, & last month the Clio arrived here with orders to take possession of the place. — A Buenos ayrean man of war was here, at the time, with some fresh colonists. — Both they & the vessel returned to the Rio Plata. — The present inhabitants consist of one Englishman, who has resided here for some years, & has now the charge of the British flag, 20 Spaniards & three women, two of whom are negresses. — The island is abundantly stocked with animals. — there are about 5000 wild oxen, many horses, & pigs. — Wild fowl, rabbits, & fish in the greatest plenty. — Europaean vegetables will grow. — And as there is an abundance of water & good anchorage; it is most surprising that it has not been long ago colonized, in order to afford provisions for Ships going round the Horn. — At present it is only frequented by Whalers, one of which is here now.... ”
So 20 of Vernett's workers remained, soon to be joined by a few more, and the newcomers (ie the garrison) left!.
And Darwin was only a passive observer more interested in the flora and fauna than the politics !
The authors of this book did not do their research well. Historical records do not record an expulsion of Argentines in Jan. 1833 . Rather the fact is 33 people of all nationalities were given a free choice to stay or go, 22 decided to stay. The Sarandi returned to Buenos Aires with 11 civilians who wished to go & 17 AR soldiers who, it is agreed, were ordered to go by Capt. Onslow. The Rapid carried 9 muntineers, who murdered the Argentine commander, Mestivier, on 30th Nov. 1832 after arriving on 6th Oct. and took command on 10th.
Jun 15th, 2010 - 06:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0How do you reconcile your false claims against these actual facts of the “ARA” (United Provinces) privateer ship Sarandi's captain's log?
The fact remains no Argentines were expelled.
Also, how do you explain the fact that AR ratified the “Convention between Great Britain & the Argentine Confederation, for the Settlement of existing Differences & the re-establishment of Friendship” peace treaty in May 1850, which agreed the Falklands were a British Territory and that this existing difference was settled that “perfect friendship” texisted between the UK & AR? This is de jure recognition of British ownershi by Argentina.
Was there really continuous diplomatic representations over the next 150 years? The records shows this to be false. There is 1 recorded protest by AR foreign minister in 1888 & no further protests after the 1850 peace treaty in Messages to Congress until 1941, i.e. a 90 years of silence, when the AR fascists revived their claim. That is the truth.
Past history is secondary, Argentina voted for resolution 1514(XV) in 1960 which covers the case of the Falklands.
Resolution 2065(XX) reminds AR & UK that even if they agree who has sovereignty peacefully, their sovereignty rights are removed by resolution 1514(XV)& requires that:
“Immediate steps shall be taken, in... Non-Self-Governing Territories... to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations”
Be accurate!
Well done Domingo - now I hadn't thought of Sarandi's log, is a cope available anywhere on the internet do you know?
Jun 15th, 2010 - 06:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0The British logs are in paper form at the National Archive in London I suspect .... a bit far from where I currently am!
The logs of the Sarandi & Rapid are held in the Argentine National Archive, as are the trial testimony of the AR mutineers who killed the commandant Mestivier, ending the four days of effective AR commandant government between 6th October 1832 to 10th of October 1832.
Jun 15th, 2010 - 07:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mr Ross says:
Jun 15th, 2010 - 07:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The exploratory oil rig ‘Ocean Guardian’ needs maintenance and provisions, and we are looking at business options in Brazil”.
I say:
A welcomed opportunity for the Brazilians to check the rig and talk privately with “Diamond Offshore” about leasing it.
We need any piece off equipment we can put our fingers on for the development our own confirmed Mega Oil Fund, just off the coast.
He says:
“We want to live peacefully with our neighbours. We are a small democratic country with an autonomous government and budget, and we only depend on the UK for defence.
Sovereignty is not negotiable, and from the Argentine point of view, negotiations means taking all of it.
We are very small, but if we had a friendly neighborhood and they would support us, it would be interesting to consider it. Unfortunately we can’t even stop to think about that hypothesis”.
I say:
Wait a minute..... Where have I heard similar arguments before.........Hmmmmm........
Oh yes!
Israel.
Has worked beautifully for the whole neighbourhood.
He admits:
Ross also admitted spending most of his holidays in Chile.
I say:
It’s OK with me for you to visit Chile, a beautiful and friendly country.
As OK as when you as many of your fellow Falklanders cross over to Argentina to shop cheaply and get some juicy steaks.
You always have a good time.
But of course you wouldn’t “admit” that in public.
What would the general public in GB think?
Oh Think, your powers of thought have deserted you again. The Falkland Island and Israeli situations could not be more different. There is absolutely not single shred of similarity.
Jun 15th, 2010 - 07:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0What would the GB general public think of Islanders holidaying in Argentina? I would say: It's not a sin, go for your life! Good steaks and probably good value paying in pounds.
(8) J.A. Roberts
Jun 15th, 2010 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course, the SITUATION could not be more different.
But the ARGUMENTS are remarkable similar mate.
That's what I said.
You really have lost your power of thought. There is nothing similar about the arguments AT ALL! No parallels whatsoever!
Jun 15th, 2010 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0(8) J.A.Roberts
Jun 15th, 2010 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say: “What would the GB general public think of Islanders holidaying in Argentina? I would say: It's not a sin, go for your life! Good steaks and probably good value paying in pounds”
I say: What does the GB general public think of, for instance, Iraqi Citizens claiming political asylum in Britain by crying “bloody murder”, holidaying in Iraq twice a year?
Would you say: It's not a sin, go for your life! Good Shish Kebab and probably good value paying in pounds.
Well if yr brave enough, why not go to Iraq on holiday? It would certainly help the Iraqis getting a bit of tourist income. It's not like it's off limits. There are flights to Baghdad from the UK now. I'm all for adventure and kebabs (shish kebabs are Turkish by the way)...
Jun 15th, 2010 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7957974.stm
For your kind info,
Jun 15th, 2010 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0When you are an asylum seeker, you are not supposed to be able to holyday in the country you escaped from.
It automatically disqualifies you as an asylum seeker.
Is like working and getting unemployment benefits.
You know what I mean?
Shish Kebab is Ottoman, correct. That includes Iraq.
I say: What does the GB general public think of, for instance, Iraqi Citizens claiming political asylum in Britain by crying “bloody murder”, holidaying in Iraq twice a year?
Jun 15th, 2010 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Does eating all that red meat give you Argies a form of Tourette's disorder
Oh Think, I misunderstood. Well an Iraqi got asylum in the UK then I don't see why they would want to go back to Iraq. It's a bit of a non-question. Yes, shish kebab is “ottoman”, so it's an “ottoman” dish and not an Iraqi one. Just because the ottomans imposed themselves on what is today called Iraq does not make all Iraqi food ottoman.
Jun 15th, 2010 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0(14) Sticky
Jun 15th, 2010 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don’t know... Could be...
I recall something about Mad Cow Disease (BSE) and England.
It made your brain spongy if I remember right.
#11 ,#12,#13 000ffffff you excite me by talking about Şiş Kebap .
Jun 15th, 2010 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Şiş Kebap has Middle Asia Nomad Turkish origin.
in Turkey and other Türk Republics cheaper Döner Kebap is prefered.
(Döner = Revolving)... It has İskender ( Alexander)Kebap version which
has with butter+tomato paste+pita+grilled pepper,potatoes.
Hamburger has no market chance in here becouse we have patented traditional 36kinds meat rissoles and their restaurants chains.
also you can easily find and eat everwhere all Türk meals in Germany.
and all other European big cities.
bon appetite
I knew Johnny Turk would be attracted by the“ Kebab talk”
Jun 15th, 2010 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hi to all, argentines, british pirates and squatters. I sopped by to say:
Jun 15th, 2010 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas Argentinas for ever!!!!!!!!!!
or Malvinas Argentinas for never?!
Jun 15th, 2010 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know what Brits can?....
Jun 15th, 2010 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brits can:
Defeat a brick wall in a game of Tennis.
Order a Big Mac at Burger King and get one.
Play Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun and win.
Just curious, but this statement: “We are a small democratic country with an autonomous government and budget, and we only depend on the UK for defence.”, seems incongruous with statements made to me by Falkland Islanders that the U.K. paid an annual “salary” of about 20,000 pounds to each family in the Falklands. Because of this, Islanders had no desire to work, and most work was done by outsiders, while the local population spent most of their time driving from bar to bar in their 4-wheel drive vehicles and downing whiskey (or any alcohol) in about any form!
Jun 15th, 2010 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If that is true jerry,no wonder they dont want anything to do with the Argies
Jun 15th, 2010 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am off down south
Domingo you are such a laugh!!!!
Jun 15th, 2010 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A local old drunk is drinking in Port Stanley's Deanos Bar.
Jun 15th, 2010 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A tiny gay fellow sits beside him. After a few beers, the gay guy whispers, “Do you want a blow job?”
The gigantic man flips out, roars in anger, and tosses the little guy out of the bar, then returns to his stool.
The shocked bartender says, “I’ve never seen you react like that. What did that guy say?”
“Dunno. Something about a job.”
Q. How many Argentine soldiers does it take to defend Port Stanley?
Jun 15th, 2010 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A. Don't know, it's never been tried.
@26 stick up your junta.
Jun 15th, 2010 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A. 649, but not successfully.
Jerry, love to know your source on the £20,000 a head story! Never heard that one before- nor the rest of the bull**** with it! WE pay UK“experts” far larger sums to come here and sit on their***** for a 3yr contract!
Jun 15th, 2010 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think - a few but only a few holiday in Argentina, most of those few who do are people who have family connections there. Yes Arg Steaks are damn good! But your clever Govt prevents us from importing them! Also correct number of Chilean folk living and working here now is nearer 600.
Watch out boys Jihad Jorge the Talib has returned. Looks like he has run out of things to say. Is your James Bond plan to take control of the Islands still on the cards Osama? Do you have a plan to prevent Brazil from collaborating on this legal and sucessful round of exploratory drilling?
Jun 15th, 2010 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like dreaming is still your best talent!
Not a good idea for FIG to consider commercial links with Argentina. Any commercial infrastructure invites interference from the Argentine government, agitators and the like. Stick with Brazil and Chile, possibly Uruguay. I think they have a better history.
Jun 15th, 2010 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0jorge, on a sereouse note, i was thinking you sound like you need employment, well i will pay you 40 pence a year if you wipe my arse for me after iv had a shite, food and accomadation are all inclusive
Jun 15th, 2010 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0il even let you watch some tv from outside the window looking in, how about it jorge?
@ Jorge: Thanks. U2!
Jun 15th, 2010 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Salaamun ‘Alaykum!
Islander
Jun 15th, 2010 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You wrote about Tony Banks visit to BUE: “Think, its B***** all to do with politics. and I hope will be seen by even the Arg press as just a decent gesture between profesional soldiers who once opposed each other. lt will be a shame if this gesture is turned into a media Circus by Argentina”
I say:
Once a year the Circus comes to town.
Through history the vets and the dead have been the sad clowns of that Circus.
The Circus of the “stiff upper lips”, the “dignifying silences”, the introvert ceremonies, the quiet crosses in straight lines.
I’m not disrespecting those men.
The Circus is!
29 beef said:
Jun 15th, 2010 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.....“Do you have a plan to prevent Brazil from collaborating on this legal and sucessful round of exploratory drilling?”....
http://www.infobae.com/mundo/521492-101275-0-Malvinas-Brasil-ratifico-su-apoyo-la-soberania-argentina-y-dijo-que-no-negociara-los-kelpers
jorgy boy, the inclusion of the word 'kelpers' tend to indicate that your suggested article is less than serious!
Jun 16th, 2010 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now they are crying for South American help, why? London is too far and in Europe perhaps.
Jun 16th, 2010 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think they service rigs in London. There are some big American companies that do the job but I suspect cheaper options are being explored first.
Jun 16th, 2010 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0A little, 'divide and conquer' may be in their reasoning too ...
Ah Jorge the abortion makes his always unwelcome appearance on Mercopress!
Jun 16th, 2010 - 01:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is a said fact but true Jorge's mentally challenged state of mind rages outwards like radiation, ones feels their IQ count drop several digits when confronted by the mad and deluded almost parrot like ravings of Jorge Senor Rios (that is your real name ain't it?)
Now we just need the Youtube kid riding into town and the party begins :)
thank´s mr ross; you make brazil speak.
Jun 16th, 2010 - 02:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0hahahaha Hoytred, here you have more sources about the same
Jun 16th, 2010 - 02:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.perfil.com/contenidos/2010/06/15/noticia_0028.html
http://www.perfil.com/contenidos/2010/06/15/noticia_0028.html
We call them kelpers, what's the problem?????
Rhaurie, you will have to see me, sorry little man!!!!
Idiot!!!
My real name???? I won't tell you, keep with your research!!! Good luck!!!
Not only British companies are too far to service the rigs also they are useless and negligent like British Petroleum that is flooding and destroying the whole US Golf of Mexico region. If you speak nowadays in US with British accent they will throw you in the ocean and send you back to UK.
Jun 16th, 2010 - 04:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Seems to be that Glenn can’t get his “old rig” repaired in Brazil.
Jun 16th, 2010 - 05:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Falklands, BP and Cars:
In the case of the Islands they fervently explain:
Is a British Wauxhall not an Opel !
In the case of BP they vehemently declare:
It’s an Opel not a British Wauxhall !
Still.........Same car under the Bonnet.
Bit repetitive Think?
Jun 16th, 2010 - 05:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marco - as I understand it, they don't actually have to take the rig for repair, nobody has a garage big enough, it gets maintain 'in situ'.
I am a little surprised that the FIG feels the need to get involved as usually the rig is hired from another company who have the responsibility for maintenance. It is not often owned by the people doing the drilling, a far too expensive way of going about things.
Now the owners will probably have the personnel to service the rig themselves, if not they'll hire in whoever they need. One of my neighbours is in that very type of work, and he's up for it. In fact he's probably sending out e-mails as I write.
So the mountain does not, in fact, go to Muhammed, but the Muhammeds get transported to the mountain. What with the recession there are a lot of rig maintenance people waiting ...... and there's a lot of money involved.
Right.... but you still need a harbor.
Jun 16th, 2010 - 06:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ohhh yes ... Of course...
St. Helena :-)
Don't be daft Think, think ..... once the personnel have been transported to the Falkland Islands it is an easy matter to transport them to the rigs be it by boat or helicopter.
Jun 16th, 2010 - 06:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your youth becomes apparent !
Well, that is, as a matter of fact, our intention!
Jun 16th, 2010 - 07:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cost benefit analysis and all that boring capitalist stuff....
Thanks for your comment on my youth, lad!
Three small words:
Jun 16th, 2010 - 07:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0FREE TRADE AGREEMENT
Or does signing your word to free trade agreements not count for anything in South America. Blockades and embargoes are illegal under international law unless authorised by the Security Council of the UN.
Marco, enough with the “British Petroleum”. The company has been called BP for quite some time now and is 40% owned by US citizens.
Jun 16th, 2010 - 07:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes Marco its Beyond Petroleum now.... DO YOU GET IT?
Jun 16th, 2010 - 07:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0But still.....
BP's dividend accounts for about £1 in every £7 of dividends paid to British shareholders, and its suspension would be a blow to UK and international pension funds who rely on it.
:-)
This anti-British BP stuff sounds like propaganda to me. Beyond Petroleum was formed by the merger of the AMERICAN OIL COMPANY & BRITISH PETROLEUM in 1998.
Jun 16th, 2010 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No one seems to mention that it was an American drilling platform run by American engineers using American safety technology.
Cameron International ( based in Houston, Texas USA )made the blow out preventer which failed and the rig owners are Transocean (American based but Swiss registered HQ for tax reasons).
Whilst BP will take responsibility & pay damages and compensation as prime contractor, I am sure its sub-contractors bear the majority of the responsibility for the technical failures that has led to the spill.
Unfortunately, oil drilling is a dangerous and risky business and things can go wrong. How much was preventable (in foresight not hindsight) needs a public enquiry. However, the main thing now is to finally get the relief wells in place to halt the polution and damage to the environment.
I don't think it does anyone any good for this success business to be persecuted, but it should also be held accountable for its mistakes.
Insallah
Jun 16th, 2010 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British Petroleum merged with Amoco (formerly Standard Oil of Indiana) in December 1998, becoming BP Amoco plc. In 2000, BP Amoco acquired Arco (Atlantic Richfield Co.) and Burmah Castrol plc. In 2001 the company formally renamed itself as BP plc and adopted the tagline “Beyond Petroleum,” which remains in use today. It states that BP was never meant to be an abbreviation of its tagline.
Jun 16th, 2010 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(52) hawkerSiddeley61
Jun 16th, 2010 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only Brits believe in BP's statements nowadays.
Think.
Jun 16th, 2010 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What an amusing train of thought.
But the Sea Harriers you remember were made by BAE.
You must remember the fixed wing scores.
Argentina lost 54. Britain lost 6 (5 by accident).
(54) Dear Harry(er)
Jun 16th, 2010 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry. I don’t wish to play “Who’s Frigate is biggest “or “Who has the longest Missile”.
For your info, those Stats you just gave me are not from a videogame.
If you read my earlier posts you may be able to deduce it.
My “Soldier fantasy time” is over...
Quote”Protesters charge British Petroleum with greed and negligence
Jun 16th, 2010 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By Nisa Islam Muhammad -Staff Writer- | Last updated: May 21, 2010 - 4:27:08 PM
Protesters against British Petroleum in San Francisco. Photo: Nisa I. Muhammad
SAN FRANCISCO - “Hey, hey, ho, ho, BP's greed has got to go!” “BP did the crime, Now they've gotta do the time!”
Those chants and more were shouted from coast to coast in 20 cities including D.C., New York, Los Angeles, New Haven, Chicago and Philadelphia where demonstrations organized by the Seize BP Campaign were held May 12, outside of BP offices.
And your point Marco Polio ?
Jun 16th, 2010 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The yanks are pissed off with BP, aint you the regular sherlock holmes
Before attacking BP perhaps a little reflection- which nations multinational company killed a couple of thousand in another country about 2o years ago- denied liability and paid a mere pittance? Answer USA owned UnionCarbide in the Bhopal didaster in India. Hypocrital American presidents would do well to learn and reflect on their own nations recent corporate history. Secondly has BP ever said it was not going to pay fair compensation? - answer NO. What I think BP want to not pay - is loads of money to gormless moneygrabbing American Lawyers who care only about their bank accounts and not fair justice .Can you blame BP for that? - thats why they want to pay only DIRECT claims and not lawers ones. Ok maybe a legal one if there is a reasonable disputed one later. Obama is showning himself to not really be fit to lead a 5th grade republic - let alone the USA.
Jun 16th, 2010 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Finally - has the enquiry reprted finally and made its investigations in full yet? NO. If it is all BP,s fault then they do indeed deserve to pay - but lets check it out first - there were several totally USA owned subcontractors in there as well.
Very Finally - if corners were cut to save costs - WHO causes the endless demand for CHEAP car fuel?- The Americans themselves - and if you want it down to a price rather than up to a standard - then costs get cut by companies - its called the real world!
The ultimate self justice would be if Obama forces BP into bankrupty with all his verbal vitroil crashing its shares - tens of thousand of Americans would also have their investments and pension funds wiped out!! They own 40% of BP themselves.
If BP are guilty of some crime then it's right that they should pay.
Jun 16th, 2010 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's a pity that so many, including Marco, err towards the lynch mob system of justice.
This mess will take a while to sort out and then, and only then, can blame be apportioned. The US is keen to have a go at BP and its safety plans, but it was US officials that approved those safety plans.
The fat lady ain't even turned up yet!
Hello hoytred. finally work this thing out at last.
Jun 17th, 2010 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0To all them knobs out there who are slagging the UK off for BP's balls up in the gulf. I believe BP is about 40% British owned and 39% US so you can argue about 1% if you want but its not really a British company is it, and as you rightly said Hoyt' its larger than the GDP of most small countries,! Argentina perhaps???
And as for where the rigs will be repaired as you said most are repaired and maintained in situ, this would be the reason some have been around since the late 60's. However if it is very deep then the use of semisubs could/would be used and they are on the move all the time, where do they thiink the one thats there now came from? and a tow from Australia to Thailand is not unusual so from the Falkland Islands to West Africa, the Gulf, or maybe Brazil if they want to play also. But realistically if the amount of oil in and around the Falklands is really twice that of the North Sea wouldn't it make more sense to build the facilites on the islands as they are about the size of Wales, with a population of a large nightclub, and they could sell the scrap metal back to the Argies as that is obviously the limit of their capabilities
Who cares if British or whatever facts are that:
Jun 17th, 2010 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0BP pays more than £1.000 Million per year in taxes to the UK.
BP's dividend accounts for about £1 in every £7 of dividends paid to British shareholders.
! From today BP stands for BOYCOT PETROLEUM !
You pissed on the “wrong” Americans this time.
Time to pay.
LMFAO. I admit i know very little about taxes and finance, but if your trying to tell me that BP who are an International company with Offices all around the world only pay tax to the British government and are therefore tax free in the rest of the world??? Then either your smoking to much or they have a better acountant. than me. Are you seriously suggesting they don't pay ANY tax at all in the US??? pissed off the wrong americans have we? Your fucking laughable my friend, the only reason we took the Falklands back from the Argies so easily 28 years ago when WE were outnumbered 3-1 was because the Argentine army was trained by the americans.
Jun 17th, 2010 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0(62) Deep-Sea-Diver
Jun 17th, 2010 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0BP is a multinational corporation primary based in the UK.
I don’t have the time to check how much tax they pay in the different countries but the UK figure is correct.
Where in my text do I “suggest” that they don’t pay any Tax in the USA?
Please check your info before raging and using the F word.
As a DS diver you should know exactly how important it is to keep your pulse down.
But, anyhow.
Keep quarrelling with the Americans.
It serves our interests best.
I'd just like to point out that most of the worlds largest multinational corporations are now based in London.
Jun 17th, 2010 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This does not make them all British company's
This is why London is now the “Finance capital” of the world. It was wall street in America. But after 9/11 America made immigration very hard which was very unattractive for large multinational corporations, so a lot of them moved to London.
(64) Zethe
Jun 17th, 2010 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And that's wyh they pay taxes in BB!
Please read also Nr61!
Think. I notice your comments at 55. I merely thought I would draw your attention to the need for accuracy. Re-writing peoples' tags is just juvenile. A contrast with the reality of the 1982 war in the air.
Jun 17th, 2010 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By the way, I came across this:
One of the first prominent uses of the demonym “Argentine” was in the first Argentine National Anthem, which made plenty of references to the ongoing Argentine War of Independence. The first formal use of the name “Argentine Republic” was in the 1826 Constitution. Rejecting the document, the territories were instead known as the “Argentine Confederation,” and were so named in the 1853 Constitution. Upon the return of the secessionist province of Buenos Aires to the Confederation in 1859, the name was changed to that of the “Argentine Nation,” and to the “Argentine Republic” per an October 8, 1860, decree.
Seems Argentina didn't really exist until 1859 and celebrated its bicentennial 49 years early.
Incidentally, what reparations has Argentina made to the Falkland Islands for its invasion and occupation? We know that it has agreed to pay for the mine clearance, but what else?
Lad.... ...
Jun 17th, 2010 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I you knew anything about Falklands or WWII or Iraq or Afghanistan or.............or.............or........ you would not brag about death counts as if they where freaking football results!
Deep Sea .... good to have you aboard, but watch that blood pressure, the idiocy you'll find here can send it soaring :-)
Jun 17th, 2010 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(68) Hoyt
Jun 17th, 2010 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quite right... here some examples from last week:
The Argentineans “ate my hamster” or.....
“Funny Facts” discussions with “Funny People” in here
Case 1) “400 miles from Falklands to the Argentinean coast”
I pointed out that, with Google Earth you easily could determine 300 miles as the real distance.
He angrily responded that all depended from where you measured !!!
Case 2) “Martin Garcia” is an Argentinean island off the coast of Uruguay”.
I pointed out that, with Google Earth you easily could determine that the Island was nearer to Argentina than to Uruguay.
He badly responded that it “still was an Island off the coast of Uruguay” !!!
Case 3) “ Buenos Aires has 4 million inhabitants.”
I pointed out that “Gran Buenos Aires” has a population of about 14.000.000.
That would ruin his statistics. He still uses the 4 million figure !!!
Case 4) “There where less than 30 marines defending the Islands.”
I pointed out, only to keep the record straight, that the number was over 60.
He accepted the correction but it didn’t change nothing because we were bullies !!!
Actually, Think, case two is not closed. It's not nearer to Argentina as I pointed out. It is only feet away from the Uruguay coast on Isla Timoteo Dominguez.
Jun 17th, 2010 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Re case 4, 30, 60 or as it was 68 marines vs an invading force of thousands. You should use fewer exclamation marks. It's pretty obvious who the aggressive bully was then - the same one as today.
You see what i mean ;-)
Jun 17th, 2010 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't need to boast. Fact. Wouldn't have happened if you hadn't started it. Well known advice from British fathers to sons. Don't start arguments, but if someone starts one with you, make sure you finish it.
Jun 17th, 2010 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Done that!
Football results? Perhaps you'd like to comment on Mr “Hand of God” Maradona.
I know... I know...
Jun 17th, 2010 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0cheating little latino ...
An Englihsman would never......
Our fathers teached us to be fair......
Honesty s in our blood etc etc etc.
Watch this and grow up Sprout !!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB2h1ynKLII
At least he got a red card, unlike someone in 1978...
Jun 17th, 2010 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All races are equal.................
Jun 17th, 2010 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some are just a tad more sophisticated than others.
Aye, some of us even believe in democracy.
Jun 17th, 2010 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And some believe in burning bushes and talking snakes.
Jun 17th, 2010 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aye
It's all Irrelavent anyway however you look at it. the Falkland Islands are British because.
Jun 18th, 2010 - 04:37 am - Link - Report abuse 01. the Islanders want to stay British and not have some tin pot murderous banana republic governing them.
2. 1982 We WON!!!!!
And i still can't work out Think's argument about paying taxes. What the F**K (you happy with this???) does that have to do with it???? of course they pay taxes to the UK government, they pay taxes to every government in the world where they have a petrol pump you numpty.
All races are equal! WOW Do your self a favour, Walk down to the end of your street, catch the 1st bus that comes along and return home in about 4 years time after you've actually met some of these races that are your equal, and then come out with this statement and see how foolish you feel.
As for Democracy- I forget who made the statement but i think it goes- Democracy is the freedom for the rich to die of starvation as well as the poor.
try telling the people in Thailand that they live in a democracy. the previous government has won by a landslide in the last 4 elections and still they aren't in power. and yet the americans, europe and the rest still recognise them.
And Finally.
3. 1982 We still WON
What did I tell you about your blood pressue?
Jun 18th, 2010 - 04:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0And you forgot number 4 - WE WON! (obviously I'm refering to 1771/1833 and 1982)
Nothing wrong with my blood pressuRe, unless the missus is around. and i'm not as old as you thats why i couldn't remember them ones.
Jun 18th, 2010 - 05:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good on 'ere init
(78)Deep-Sea Diver
Jun 18th, 2010 - 06:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Be careful wit your nitrogen% too☺
A couple of Singhas would help.
My point about race equality was to stress their slight differences mate.
Scholes got a red card
Maradona got a goal.
Hoyt...
2-0 for you...
But you know what they say...
Third time lucky!
3rd time lucky? can't see it matey. unless its on the football pitch. and its Beer Chang , singha taste like piss
Jun 18th, 2010 - 06:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well....
Jun 18th, 2010 - 06:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Typical Ex-Pat
Drinking Danish beer in Thailand.
Shame on you!!!
... that explains a lot :-)
Jun 18th, 2010 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed it does!
Jun 18th, 2010 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0It probably doesn't matter what the Brazilian “government” says. The territory currently referred to as “Brazil” is a colonial territory of the Portuguese Empire. Just under 50% of the current “Brazilian” population class themselves as “white” and therefore of European origin. A similar percentage class themselves as “multiracial”. In fact, only 0.28% class themselves as Amerindian. Logic says that the majority of the population are not indigenous and not entitled to self-determination. The imposition of the Portuguese language, as with the imposition of the Spanish language elsewhere in South America, makes it clear that it derives solely from the planting of Portuguese settlers. Therefore, the legality and validity of the “Brazilian” government must be in question.
Jun 18th, 2010 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For all of you; “Interpreters of International Law”
Jun 18th, 2010 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here is a balanced analysis of a “Real International Lawyer”
Biography: http://www.internationallawoffice.com/directory/Biography.aspx?g=841614fb-2130-46e4-8a55-6078a950a59d
Complete article:
http://www.internationallawoffice.com/directory/Biography.aspx?g=841614fb-2130-46e4-8a55-6078a950a59d
Mr. David Moss,
The right of peoples to self-determination is enshrined in the first article of both the UN Charter and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. The International Court of Justice (ICJ) has held that this right is ’irreproachable’.
However, the Falklands case does highlight a contentious and potentially problematic facet of international law.
To begin with, the precise scope of the right and the definition of ’peoples’ is a developing legal area. In the past, indigenous peoples in island states such as Nauru (population of 12,000) and Tuvalu (population of 11,000) have been recognized as exercising a bona fide right of self-determination. However, the population of the Falkland Islands is only 3,000 and Argentina would likely contend that the right to self-determine does not apply because the islanders are descendants of British settlers. This raises the issue of what are the limits of the right to self-determination. For example, would the UK argument hold true if the population of Jersey voted to become independent of the UK or part of France?
These issues are likely to come under the microscope again when the ICJ issues its advisory opinion on Kosovo. Argentina and the UK have both put in written submissions to the ICJ in the Kosovo case, which centers on a dispute over the status of Kosovo’s declaration of independence. Predictably, Argentina emphasized the importance of territorial integrity and the UK emphasized the right of self-determination.
Starting to repeat yourself again Think - as I've said elsewhere, ”one lawyer does not an argument make!
Jun 18th, 2010 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now look, you've got me at it :-)
I recall you also said: “I wouldn’t hire that Lawyer.” Very witty.....
Jun 19th, 2010 - 04:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Everybody here is “interpreting law” their way.
Including me.
And here are my reasons.
Would you care to answer the question?
'Answer a question”? With the legal training I've had??
Jun 19th, 2010 - 06:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0By the way, what was it?
I give up on you :-)
Jun 19th, 2010 - 06:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0But I keep trying with the others.
Where are all the legal experts from yesterday?
Sorry but Beer Chang is a Thai beer. The boss of Carlsberg in Thailand in the 90's deserted the company and started up Chang and then kicked out Carlsberg, or they left on the own accord, but feeling very disgruntled. because Chang had stolen all there customers. At least thats the way i've heard the story. but i am willing to change my story if anyone decides to sue.
Jun 19th, 2010 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0P.S> ive just checked on wikipedia and im almost right
As MercoPress doesn’t mention this. (not even in their Energy&Oil Topics)...........
Jun 19th, 2010 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0I will!
“Rats abandoning ship”
http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/18/news/companies/BP_Anadarko/index.htm?hpt=T1
“Brits are masters at stonewalling”
http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/18/news/companies/BP_Anadarko/index.htm?hpt=T1
Keep the good work up Tony!
Boycot Petroleum!
(92) DS Diver
I bow to your higher knowledge about the beer market in Thailand.
My info was outdated, based only on personal experience some time ago and......... Chang tastes great.....too.
In his comment at no.87 Think interestingly quotes a lawyer. Amazingly, this lawyer's solution is a compromise.For anyone with the least knowledge of lawyers in civil litigation, compromise is the ideal solution. It tends to embody lawyers in the compromise so that there are endless years of legal discussion about what certain words in the agreement “really” mean. Loads of money for lawyers, irrespective of their nationality.
Jun 19th, 2010 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder how many have gone on to read the comments from the readers. Mr Moss doesn't seem to get a lot of support for his views, rather the contrary, and it must be expected that a fair percentage of the readers will be lawyers themselves. Whatever any lawyer says the real test is in front of a court. Why doesn't Argentina take its case to the ICJ?
But here's another matter. I suggest that the UN Secretary General has given Argentina his answer to their approaches.
http://pacific.scoop.co.nz/2010/05/non-self-governing-territories/
http://pacific.scoop.co.nz/2010/05/non-self-governing-territories/
The problem for Argentina in using the 'who are “the people”' argument is that there were no indigenous people when the Islands were settled. Whoever lived there at any time, French, British, Spanish, were colonists. Clearly, those with most right to be considered to be “the people” are those that have lived there, in terms of generations, the longest. In order, France - 3 yrs, Britain - 5 yrs, Spain - 44 yrs, United Provinces - 2 yrs, USA - 2 mths, Argentina - 2 mths, Britain - 99 yrs, Argentina - 2 mths, Britain - 28 yrs.
For those who have doubts, watch the documentary “Falklands: The Islanders' War”. The approach of Argentina at that time was reminiscent of Nazi occupation.
Personally, I'm a 'real'ale' man myself, but hey ... Chang will do at a push!
Jun 19th, 2010 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think - NEVER challenge Deep Sea Diver about beer ... that level of experience is awsome!
Now, what's happeing? Anything new ..... anybody handed the islands to Argentine .,.. no?
The last Argentine 2 months does not count. It was hardly a “settled population”...
Jun 19th, 2010 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ohhhh no.
Jun 19th, 2010 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0The N word again..... At(94)
Neo-Nazis acusing Neo-Nazis for being Neo-Nazis......
Many of the people I have been insulted by in here seem deeply influenced by this tasteless abuse on vets by Blood & Honour’s political party, the BNP
Corporal Fox, enyoy...
http://www.amren.com/videos/20050420bnp/
Only difference is that, as far as records can tell, Nazis didn't leave human excrement over people's beds and furniture. Aside from that, act like them, get compared to them.
Jun 19th, 2010 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(95) Hoyt
Jun 19th, 2010 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And I'm a Pilsner Urquell dud.
Quilmes Imperial is difficult to get up here.
This is one thing im always confused.. How can your troops excuse leaving excrement allover the homes of the people they were sent to “liberate”. Our army has been out there for 30 years disarming the mines yours troops put there. It's quite disgusting to be honest.
Jun 19th, 2010 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BTW not only does Chang taste great, its cheaper ( I'm from Yorkshire)and gets you ratted sooner.
Jun 19th, 2010 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have no idea about your other comments as im on my 5th large Chang at the mo'
As for boycott petrolium? I don't understand this either, for years people have been bleating on about burning fossil fuels, well BP have just cut out the middle man, i thoroughly applaude them, and the more thats wasted, the more valuable whats left of it becomes, and so makes more work for me and bumps up my salary. hence i can afford more Beer Changs. So thumbs up alround for that nice Mr Hayward.
Oh and a belated Happy Anniversary to the Falkland Islands 28 years of freedom roll on the next 1,000,000
Salut i força al canut
Jun 19th, 2010 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0” ...It means Healthness and strength to the dick. The language is catalán or valenciano, (both are similar)....”
Jun 20th, 2010 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Amazing what you can find on Google, eh Think! Not that I'me sure that my Catalan ex-girlfriend's family would have agreed about connection between catalan and valenciano. Now talking of an independence minded bunch, try the Catalans :-)
(103) Hoyt
Jun 20th, 2010 - 04:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nope.............Try again junior........
”Salut i força al canut” is just another example of how dominating societies misinterpret things at their convenience, making them become the accepted truth.
Please see:
http://chadwyckdrinksspanishwine.blogspot.com/2008/11/salut-salut-y-forza-al-canut.html
Google is an useful tool if...... you know how to use it :-)
Visca Catalunya Lliure
Your reference, and obviously yourself - are wrong! The fact that a phrase once had one meaning does not necessarily mean that it still has the same meaning. As you say 'things change'.
Jun 20th, 2010 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Language is a living thing and changes as the people use it. 'Wallet' it may have meant once but 'member' it now means by common acceptance. The people have decided :-)
Billy may call it 'Popular Sovereignty'.
If you really want to know how language changes try talking to teenagers, you're unlikely to understand them!
(105) Hoyt
Jun 20th, 2010 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tell that to the Catalans!
The people of Spain have decided over the Catalan minority idiomatic heritage!
No problem taking to teenagers here.... It takes only a high degree of open mindedness and the will to “listen to” and not only “hear” what they are saying.
I excel at that. That’s how I communicate in here ;-)
You are correct, it is almost impossible to tell the Catalans anything, I should know, I was with one for between 4 and 8 years .... I thought I'd left after 4 but it didn't seem to make any difference!
Jun 20th, 2010 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's nothing....
Jun 20th, 2010 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was married to a Basque once!
Beat that!!!
Not a good idea to beat a Basque !
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