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Argentine UN ambassador confident US will eventually play a part in Falklands’ dispute
Argentine ambassador before United Nations Jorge Agüello said it “is only a matter of time” before the country recovers Falklands/Malvinas sovereignty and anticipated that Washington would play a “dialogue-facilitating” role with the UK in the long standing dispute. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesnegotiate the Malvinas sovereignty
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 05:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0They dont belong to Argentina, end of,happy now
keep dreaming!
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 08:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0The us was neutral in 1982 until we went to war then they was more than willing to help us.
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Has always been that way,
“We want UK to abide by Resolution 2065, from 1965 which calls on both sides the UK and Argentina to sit round a table and negotiate the Malvinas sovereignty”
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 08:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0We did, Argentina wouldn't drop its claim. End of negotiations.
“It’s a mater of time,...“
i.e. when hell freezes over!
”... The UN Decolonization Committee or C24 as it is commonly known is expected as happens every year to express support for Argentina’s position and basically ignore the Falkland Islands right to self-determination....“
Now that is true. What is also true is that it is one of the reasons that the Falkland Islands will remain British. It is also the reason that Britain can ignore the C-24 as Britain can argue that the C-24 is acting in defiance of its remit.
”..The US State Department position has been that it will only play a role in the Falklands dispute if both sides (UK and Argentina) invite Washington to participate...“
And the Stae Department was there before Obama/Clinton and will be there after their administration has moved on ..... note the term ”both”. So it ain't gonna happen!
Well, I think Britain/UK should remain neutral in the Afghanistan war.
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Mrs. Clinton’s statements had great impact in Britain when she said the US remains neutral in the issue but suggested the possibility that come the time, it could play some facilitating role for Argentina”, pointed out ambassador Argüello.
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anybody remember her saying that?
Wonder how O'Barmy will wriggle on this one. If the US ever actually facilitates Argentina in this issue, it will most definitely lose its “closest friend and ally”.
Now I wonder what will make the British press tomorrow, could it be:
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0a) the Argentine manipulation of C-24; or
b) the performance of England at the World Cup... ?
Dermmm ?
It is terrible, Argüello is deliberately lying to spread propaganda, i.e.: “It’s a matter of time, the Malvinas will return as legal part of Argentine territory. We need to generate the appropriate conditions to force the British counterpart to accept what United Nations has indicated, diplomatic negotiations”
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is ridiculous to claim this when the islanders have clearly stated:
“The message is simple and unequivocal. We are a distinct community with our own identity and separate Government. We have the right to self determination, the right to decide our own future, unhindered by any interference from any other government; and our expressed, democratic wish is to remain British. It is time the Argentine Government accepted that.”
& when resolution 1514(XV) that:
“Immediate steps shall be taken, in... Non-Self-Governing Territories... to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations
All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status & freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.
All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.”
Resolution 1514(XV) was voted 89 for and zero against, with 6 abstentions, 1 being the UK.Argentina voted for this resolution & also voted that it should apply to the Falklands. Thanks to the adherence of UN members to resolution 1514(XV) there are now 192 member states of the UN in 2010, compared to the 95 states in 1960, i.e. the number of free independent states has doubled thanks to the universal implementation of resolution 1514(XV).
The right to self-determination for is an irreproachable human right, guaranteed in international law.
What's so difficult to understand about this?
Quote from your favorite British newspaper, yes The Guardian:
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”People sometimes ask me why Argentinians make such an endless fuss about the islands they call Las Malvinas. The answer is simple. The Falklands belong to Argentina. They just happen to have been seized, occupied, populated and defended by Britain. Because Argentina's claim is perfectly valid, its dispute with Britain will never go away, and because much of Latin America is now falling into the hands of the nationalist left, the government in Buenos Aires will enjoy growing rhetorical support in the continent (and indeed elsewhere, from the current government in Iraq, for example), to the increasing discomfiture of Britain. All governments in Argentina, of whatever stripe, will continue to claim the Malvinas”
@Marco: This quote is wholly flawed & meaningless because the reality is the Islanders have the right to self-determination under resolution 1514(XV) voted for by Argentina & their express democratic wish is to remain British.
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So take that quote & shove it up your culo!
Well said marco for some reason the Argentine government was historically slow to act but eventually everything comes to it's boiling point in Argentina like the national bebunct debt theft by IMF executives, I think a boycott against UK and ally products is needed to detair UK from their abusive stand on the issue, I am all up for the rights of the colonist to go home to britain or accept Argentine citizenship and stay, this is a desition none can force on them, they should be free to choose, however to part Malvinas from Argentina is not what Luis Vernet intended when he visited london in 1828 and it was agreed that no problems will come from the colonists there, now things have changed and the government left by Luis Vernet doesn't exist but the facts that his port luis colony didn't succed withing the 2 years thanks to britain and USA the land became part of Argentina again since the land was never colonized by Vernet. according to british sources they abandoned the island prior to the arrival of the Argentine settlement, giving Luis vernet all rights to ownership upon arrival, but Luis Vernet ownership of Malvinas collpsed when he failed to collonize them withing 2 years, so british was allowed to stay and populate the island as they have being undisturved for 200 years as long as they didn't cause any problem, by 1982 there was a british base there and Argentina retook Malvinas from the colony, this is not the case now that they want to create a gulf of Mexico at our door step I am sorry but we have to stop somewhere, I will like to reafirm them that Vernets apointement to Malvinas was to protect and settle withing 2 years, there was no agreement with britain, nor did any british ever had any formal relations in regards to Malvinas with Argentina while Vernet applied all international costumes and rules, is war and brute force the only way british understand ??
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0is war and brute force the only way british understand ??
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well you took a good lesson away with you after the 1982 invasion
@avargas2001: It is plain to me the British understand democracy & free choice whereas the Argentines do not & prefer force, coercion & subjugation of free peoples who do not wish to be subjugated by Argentina.
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The 1850 Convention of Settlement peace treaty, ratified by Argentina ended all existing differences, including the Malvinas, between Argentina & Great Britain & established perfect friendship between the two countries.
Indeed it was only the opportunistic fascist junta of Argentina that created the expansionist claim for British territory in the South Atlantic, & indoctrinated the Argentine population with false propaganda.
The Argentines wanted to declare war on democracy & decency against the USA & GB, but were too scared to join their fascist axis friends, like Nazi Germany, Imperialist Japan & fascist Italy.
Argentine support for Imperialist Japan rather than China's Allies does not go un-noticed in China; do not mistake exploitation of Argentine resources by the PROC as friendship, it is merely convenience & AR shall be discarded when no longer useful.
The Argentines are too stupid to check real historical sources & realise they were lied to and all their claims are false, simple examples of Hitler's “Big Lie” propaganda technique, and to this day the Argentine people remain willingly manipulated by their fascist regime lies
Realpolitik: Argentina has no sovereignty in the Falklands Islands and has never had any Sovereignty in the Falklands. Rather Britain & the Islanders have held sovereignty for over 177 years
Argentina made a treacherous war of aggression against its close ally, the UK & its neighbours, the Falklands in 1982. It put guns to the heads of the Islanders & their children to force the Islanders to genuflect themselves to their Argentine tyranny, to protect their lives & the lives of their children
Argentina actions were criminal & Argentina now seeks escalation & conflict in defiance of resolution 1514(XV) & the Islanders rights
avargas2001: All of that lovely history is irrelivent, The only thing which matters is the fact that those people have lived there for longer than ANYONE in the history of the islands.
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They own them.
Avargas' history is not only irrelevant, it is wrong and appears to be based on the premise that Britain abandoned its sovereignty in 1774. It did not so the rest falls apart.
Jun 23rd, 2010 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marco, I've had this conversation elsewhere but to repeat, the Guardian is a little known left wing newspaper that happens to have some journalists that favour Argentina. Their readership, looking at the online, certainly do not.
The Islands are British because the islander's wish them to be .. nuff said!
Oh God, please save us from another Argie “discovering” Richard Gott's piece in the Grauniad.
Jun 24th, 2010 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marco, did you bother to read any of the comments to Mr Gott's poorly researched opinion? I bet you didn't because you might not have been so fast to quote a selected part of the piece had you noticed how thoroughly readers of that “favourite British newspaper” demolished it!
Just a couple things...
Jun 24th, 2010 - 01:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0“undisturved for 200 years as long as they didn't cause any problem, by 1982 there was a british base there and Argentina retook Malvinas from the colony, this is not the case now that they want to create a gulf of Mexico at our door step I am sorry but we have to stop somewhere”
1. You've just admitted that the islanders have a right to live there, they've not caused you any trouble.
2. A base in 1982? 80 marines is a national threat? lmao.
3. You can't “retake” something you never had.
4.IF Britian wanted to after we expelled you from our territory we could have initiated strikes against your homeland, we was not the aggressor, you was.
“I think a boycott against UK and ally products is needed to detair UK from their abusive stand on the issue”
This course of action would absolutely destroy your nation in every way. No nation in this day and age would survive without trade, and the UK is allys with all of the big exporters. You should be glad you aren't in charge.
Also you've just told us that your colony failed before two years. How does 2 years of settlement on the islands give you a right over people who have been living there for 170 years.
Don't try the territoral integraty thing. Under international law the falklands are too far at sea to be a part of your territory.
Marco and Arvgas - res 2065 - Yes - Britain indeed did start negotiations including sovereignty with Argentina - they carried on until 1982 - when -00ps - your lot tore up peacefull negotiations and used military force! Sorry - your demands are now NULL and VOID.
Jun 24th, 2010 - 02:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0The day Arg publicy states that it apologises for the military action of 1982 - and offers to hold negotiations on sovereignty with the Islands and UK to seek a mutually agreeable solution - not a forgone conclusion that Arg simply takes over - then you might expect a bit of serious respect and consideration.
There is really only one solution as well the Argentine Government knows. Until the islanders are ready to take it then the status quo will remain.
Jun 24th, 2010 - 03:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0I suspect that the Falkland Islands Britishness will outlast the C-24 which is increasingly being seen by the UN as irrelevant and biased.
An unbalanced group of countries with too much emphasis on minor and South American Staes .... just something to keep them busy I suppose. The big boys will not take any notice but for Argentina it's the only game in town.
hell ya we'll deal, for oil from the Falkland Islanders. Mire, hablo espanol y quiero mucho para la vida latina y la cultura. Pero, cuando hay una problema con los argentinos y ingles, lo siento pero, los americanos tienen una conneccion, cultural y de sangria, muy fuerte con los ingles. Casi todos americanos no conocen NADA de Argentina, solamente una cancion de madonna, “don't cry for me Argentina”.
Jun 24th, 2010 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now I understood much of that, which only goes to prove that you're crap at spanish :-)
Jun 24th, 2010 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Guardian. A newspaper owned by a trust (the Scott Trust) formed for the purpose of avoiding the payment of tax. What a pedigree!!
Jun 24th, 2010 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Guardian is awfull. Just read an artical where one person suggest removing our entire armed forces would be a good idea.
Jun 26th, 2010 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's just...funny.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jun/08/cuts-armed-services-fantasy-enemies
He added that the US “could play a dialogue facilitating role favouring Argentina ALL Mouth again, the only way the USA will get the brits out, is to back the argies up with military aid, and thats impossable, go back to sleep, the yanks will never back you against us,
Jul 02nd, 2010 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Commenting for this story is now closed.
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