MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
“C24 needs to decide what is more important: politics or human rights”
The people of the Falkland Islands do not want to become part of Argentina and by pursuing its sovereignty claim “Argentina is seeking to colonise the people of the Falkland Islands”, said Falkland Islands Legislative Assembly Member Emma Edwards before the UN Decolonization Committee. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesBravo. An honest and articulate argument that highlights the idiotic and regressive stance taken by Argentina. It is a shame that certain members of the committee ignore democracy and human rights, Cuba and Venezuela are two examples of such nations that Argentina want to climb into bed with. So much for CFK being a champion of democracy.
Jun 24th, 2010 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina's only response to this argument is to storm off in a mood shouting “Malvinas son Argentinas”. How mature?
This is ridiculous as claiming parties for rights over the Island are Argentina and UK. I don't see the claim of the Island for themselves so the argument is very stupid at all.
Jun 24th, 2010 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So Malvinas still are Argentinas and start to get the Idea mates.
Nico. If you want them, then come and get them! Or take your issue to the ICJ?
Jun 24th, 2010 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nico you're an idiot who needs specs ... the islanders have the right to dictate what happens to their homeland and not Argentina, Britain or the C-24 should interfere with that. A good speech reminding the C-24 of its duties. A little naive perhaps .. after all the UN is all about politics. No problem, the C-24 will be ignored yet again!
Jun 24th, 2010 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing changes :-)
We are in the process don't be impatient.
Jun 24th, 2010 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You've been in the process for 170 years mate.
Jun 25th, 2010 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0..... and will be for at least another 170 :-)
Jun 25th, 2010 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs//2010/gacol3212.doc.htm
Jun 25th, 2010 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ms Edwards makes an excellent argument, which is sincere, articulate & honest.
Jun 25th, 2010 - 05:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0The C24 committee are wholly biased & corrupt & have completed failed in their duty to the UN General Assembly. The committee members should be punished for the dereliction of duty in upholding the rights of the Islanders to self-determination under resolution 1514(XV), the very reason for the existence of the committee in the first place.
Ms. Edwards is quite correct to say the C24 is a now a corrupt political body consisting of member states who seek political advantage by allying with Argentina, rather than an apolitical IMPARTIAL body whose duty is to support the implementation of resolution 1514(XV) to the case of the Islanders.
Perhaps the Islanders should take a case to the UN or ICJ regarding the C24 & Argentina's illegal corruption of the C24 so they may be judged for their crimes against human rights?
That's a DRAFT resolution Marco. I know you Argies struggle to tell the difference between Security Council, General Assembly and DRAFT resolutions proposed by the C24 committee.
Jun 25th, 2010 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0When the General Assembly adopts that resolution then you may have something to talk about. Until then, it is meaningless.
I am posting this wherever I can as Marco doesn't seem to want to respond on the appropriate article.
Jun 25th, 2010 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0As I have pointed out before, although Marcos obviously can't read anything because he's desperately trying to remember what someone told him to say:
1806 and 1807 were attacks by British expeditionary forces on outposts of the Spanish Empire, at the time a puppet-state of the Napoleonic French Empire with which Britain was at war. “Argentina” didn't exist.
1845. An Anglo-French naval squadron defeated and passed an embargo put in place by Juan Manuel de Rosas, dictator of the so-called Argentine Confederation, in an attempt to stop or profit from Anglo-French trade with Argentine inland cities that de Rosas did not control.
Describe how the removal of the inhabitants of the Chagos Archipelago was an “atrocity”. And Marco conveniently forgets to mention that they were removed so that the USA could build a military base. (But he wouldn't want to upset the USA that he no doubt thinks is supporting Argentina). And then the dumb-dumb goes on to quote tens of thousands of Iraqi civilian deaths. The Multinational Force Iraq composed troops of 40 nations. Four of them were South American. Can he quote the sources for attributing particular numbers of deaths to British Armed Forces?
C'mon Marco, ante up. Quote your referenced sources for your comments. Or admit that you are just spouting government-inspired crap.
Human rights are more important, especially those who were expelled in 1833.
Jun 25th, 2010 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0How hipocryte these people are!!!!
Why yes Jorge! It's obvious, the human rights of people who've been dead for about 150 years are obviously far more important than the human rights of the Falkland Islanders.
Jun 25th, 2010 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Human rights are more important, especially those who were expelled in 1833.”
Jun 25th, 2010 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'd just like to point out that the Human Rights Act was not around in 1833. It passed in 1948.
“Human rights are more important, especially those who were expelled in 1833.”
Jun 25th, 2010 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'd also like to point out that only the garrison was “expelled”, which was totally acceptable as that garrison had been protested by Britain and was illegally in the Falklands. All the civilians “human rights” were respected and most elected to remain on the Falklands.
Am I the only one who wishes that there was a “facepalm” emote on Mercopress comments?
Jun 25th, 2010 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would suggest that Jorge should constantly walk around with his palm attached to his face.
Jun 25th, 2010 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think jihad jorge has evolved enough to yet manage to move his hand to his face. It is far too many movments for his wee little brain to deal with.
Jun 25th, 2010 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now foot in mouth is something that he and his leadership are very competant at.
jorgy boy ... been a while ... anything changed? Hey, no problem!
Jun 25th, 2010 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Human rights are more important, especially those who were expelled in 1833.”
Jun 25th, 2010 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But not those who have occupied the land for longer than your sorry excuse for a country, mired in poverty and corruption, has existed. Jorge, you are without doubt a complete pillock.
I would pose the same question to this hypocrite in Malvinas, did the colony have any respect for the Argentine settlement in 1833 when they arrived ?? I think they deserve the same treatment britain gived the locals back in 1833, the option to stay with Argentine citizenship or go back to britain witch is what they all claim to be.
Jun 25th, 2010 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you think your settlement which was there for what? 2 years? Gives you the right over them, who have been there for 170 years? Thats not plausable.
Jun 25th, 2010 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So your oppinion is because the settlement was there before tey first arrived? Then that would give the frence the right to have the islands, as they was there first.
Either way the past is what it is: the past. The world has moved on and they live there peacfully not harming anyone. They have the absolute right to live there as they have lived there for longer than any other group of people in the history of the world.
In answer to your question:
Jun 25th, 2010 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“did the colony have any respect for the Argentine settlement in 1833 when they arrived...?”
Yes, the civilians from Buenos Aires were encouraged to remain on the Falklands in 1833. Most of them did, and some of today's Falkland Islanders are their descendants.
Don't confuse Britain with British sovereignty. The Falkland Islanders live in their home. They have done for generations. They can't go “back” to Britain because that is not where they are from. Just like most Argentines can't go “back” to Spain or “back” to Italy, because they are 3rd or 4th generation Argentine. Simple really. I know you have a hard time understanding these simple matters, but I won't hold it against you...
you would have thought that 28 years of the argentines playing the same tune would get boring to them wouldnt you, maybe they need telling, oi nicotine and jorge and avargas, your boring mate, change the song,
Jun 25th, 2010 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0avargas2001 you say go back to britain, fuck off back to spain and give argentina back to the indiginouse, you seem to forget where you come from
I would just pay no attention to all the raving and ranting by Cristina and her new Foreign Minister Tellerman at the UN. The Brits won't allow anyone to interfere with the Islanders and there nothing Argentina can do about it. Case closed. Anyway, Argentine politicians hacve always used the Falkland Islands situation as a populist way of sublimating their hate for the government of the moment. Talk and bluster is all it is.
Jun 25th, 2010 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 015 J.A. Roberts (#)
Jun 26th, 2010 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0And they are dead.
The settlement that was on the islands in 1833 was a business venture by Vernett and his people were there with British permission. That makes it a British settlement, not an Argentine settlement. The garrison were removed because they were trespassing .... perfectly legal. THe British settlers then remained.
Jun 26th, 2010 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0British ownership goes back to at least 1765 and probably 1690. The islands have never belonged to Argentina, and it's highly unlikely that they ever will.
@dab, yes most people alive in 1833 would be dead by now.
Jun 26th, 2010 - 07:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Most?
Jun 26th, 2010 - 07:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0The AR govt. practices a repugnant & cynically mendacious state policy of dehumanisation of the Islanders to further its aims of territorial colonialist expansion in the South Atlantic, which it inheritated from the cumulative decades of post-WWII neo-facscist Argentine military dictatorships
Jun 26th, 2010 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0State indoctrination with neo-fascist political ideology & false irredentist revanchanist sovereignty claims has been progressively implanted in Argentine children since the first 20th C. military dicatorship in AR in 1930s and become compulsory in the 1940s, to the extent nowadays that state dogma goes unquestioned & unchallenged by the vast majority of Argentina. This is a sad example of the “Big Lie” propaganda technique suceeding over many generations of cynically mendacious indoctrination. To this end, the policy of territorial colonialist expansion has been enshrined in the AR constitution to create a state of false moral panic in the Argentine population regarding the Islanders rights to sovereignty of the Islands
The AR state criminally protrays the Islanders as stateless non-persons, in an attempt to justify removal of their irreproachable fundamental human right to self-determination, to Argentine & S. American mob
The AR state exploits & encourages popular bigotry to demonise the Islanders an enthnic group and uses the state indoctrination system to scapegoat the Islanders & their British guardians, who defend the Islanders right to self-determination & frustrate the AR territorial ambitions, in a successful but mendacious effort to protray Argentines as the victims so that the mob will accept the criminal oppression of the Islanders as “justified”
Moreover AR state policy of territorial colonialism seeks the imposition of government, social structure & economic control against the expressed democratic will of the Islanders or their mass deportation from their homes as scapegoats to criminally deprive them of their property, land &
freedom
Shame on Argentina.
Still nothing from Marco!
Jun 26th, 2010 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I understand that ilegal aliens need to get documented and need to be treated equally and this is not whats' taking place here, there are natives in Canada amounting to ten's of thousands fighting for their land but yet the queen is using everyones taxes to support this 3000 pirats, shame on UK,UN, EU and all those people who use them to steal and violate the land and the people.
Jun 26th, 2010 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You just make your self look stupid. The queen does, nothing. She's a figurehead, nothing else.
Jun 26th, 2010 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The islands support themselves. We don't take taxes from them, neither do we pay for their way of life.
We aren't stealing or violating any land or people, Grow up.
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Jun 27th, 2010 - 07:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think, that looks like pretty respectable Rioplatense Spanish to me. I'm laughing my head off. Nice one Domingo!
Jun 27th, 2010 - 07:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is foolish when a debate is reduced into personal attacks by irrelevant arguments based on the ad hominem principle, i.e. if you can't counter the argument of your opponent then attack their person instead, which is of course a classic logical fallacy. For some people this weak response is the only line of argument they are capable of, when faced with good argument
Jun 27th, 2010 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0The important thing is human rights; I beleive it the duty of all peoples to stand together for these rights so that these rights apply not just to ourselves, but to everyone. Unless we do this, even when dangerous to ourselves, then our rights will be ignored & terrible crimes committed, like the Dirty War
That is why I strongly support the rights of the Islanders to self-determination under the UN Charter & General Assembl resolution
1514(XV). This is also why I respect the Islanders democratically expressed wish to remain British &to remaining living on the Islands under their preferred British Sovereignty rather than Argentine
I would prefer to see a big effort away from the out-fascist Argentine policy of aggressive territorial colonial expansion in the South Atlantic which causes escalation & confrontation to a peaceful friendship & cooperation leading to lasting peace and settlement (beyond the 1850 Convention!)
Attempts by politicians (elected or not) to stir up popular bigotry against an ethnic minority like the Islanders is a serious abuse of power. Attempts by a state to dehumanise a domestic or foreign ethnic group as non-people to illegally remove their imprescriptible human rights is a crime against humanity and those individuals or collectives who are complicit in aiding & abetting this crime are culpable, whether presidents, foreign ministers, congressmen, nation states or ordinary people & accountable to the UN & ICC
The way forward is a firm willingness to improve relations with friendship. Fishery & Hydrocarbon can agreements offer prosperity for all
Think think about it
(34) Onwards
Jun 27th, 2010 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pretty decent spanish yes.......
Cut, pasted and “slightly” modified from following link ! ( point c) )
http://www.eumed.net/libros/2007b/278/7.htm
Poor Domingo....
Good bless your enthusiasm...
I am glad you understood it.... you did understand it, right?
Jun 27th, 2010 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0But more so POOR Think, who uses argumentum ad hominem instead of substantive argument & cannot counter the good argument that Argentina is bound by the UN Charter & General Assembly Resolution 1514(XV).
This board is an English speaking board and the rules request we comment in English. Of course a little Spanish is tolerable & shows respect for Spanish native speakers, in my opinion.
When the facts make it clear I am wrong about an important argument, I change my opinion. What do you do Think?
More importantly, what is your response/apology to the abuse of the Islanders Human Rights that Argentina is engaged in?
Watch your blood pressure mate.
Jun 27th, 2010 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good advice. You too mate ;-D
Jun 27th, 2010 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0However, as a serious point, you hardly ever address the argument and usually attempt to change the subject.
I agree it is a good strategy to avoid fighting an argument you cannot win, and I can see why you do this in the case of the Falklands.
Sometime though, you come across as a pure internet troll, but other times I think your comments are valuable.
Think again Think!
Domingo, you are of course quite right, but then Think is right too, and you should watch your blood pressure. Try reminding yourself that you are on the winning side and that Argentina has been protesting and mischief making for 177 years without effect and that, the British believe what you believe ..... and nobody else matters :-)
Jun 27th, 2010 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sabai
I consider that we have established elsewhere that avargas2001 is in Canada, part of the Commonwealth, a country with strong continuing links to Britain that evolved from a colony to a Dominion to full independence under British guidance. He is there, we assume, trying to get an education not available in his own country.
Jun 27th, 2010 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately, the educative process is not working. One would have thought that anyone living in a constitutional monarchy would have some idea of the principles and reasons of that form of government.
Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II is head of state not only of Britain but also of Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Jamaica, Barbados, the Bahamas, Grenada, Papua New Guinea, the Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Belize, Antigua and Barbuda, and Saint Kitts and Nevis. In the United Kingdom, she is Supreme Governor of the established Church of England. The Monarch and her Governors-General in the Commonwealth realms hold significant “reserve” or “prerogative” powers, to be wielded in times of extreme emergency or constitutional crises usually to uphold parliamentary government.
zethe is, of course, quite right that the Falkland Islands are self-supporting except for defence. An expense that the UK and the British people are glad to bear in order to maintain the freedom and rights of our citizens.
It is worth noting that Britons may be considered “different” Europeans as their culture differs from that on the continent of Europe. In the same way, Falkland Islanders are “different” Britons as their culture differs from that of the UK.
Well, reading some comments, I realized there not only bennies here, but Mr Beans too!
Jun 29th, 2010 - 07:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0¿Domingo, de qué escuelita católica privada saliste vos?
¿Por qué tanto odio contra el estado argentino?
¿Sos de los caceroleros de Belgrano, Palermo, etc?
Hola Jorge... ¡Que se vayan todos!
Jun 29th, 2010 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only joking. Don't mistake my opposition to the Argentine state's policy to dehumanising the Islanders to justify abuse of their human rights, with hate. I hate no-one, but I will oppose these abhorant policies.
The Islanders are simply people like you & I. However, they have been demonised as pirate English Thieves and they are portrayed as scapegoats for the British assertion of its sovereign rights long long ago in 1833, when the reality is these events were not there doing. What responsibility do you or I have for what happened before we were born, for events we were not party to? None, of course.
Yet the Islanders are held responsible for a disagreement between the AR & UK that happened 177 years ago and was actually resolved by peace treaty in 1850. However, the neo-fascist politicians ignored this fact, because it did not fit well with their propaganda and expansionist foreign policy.
Indeed the neo-fascists politicians in Argentina wanted a Greater Argentina and sought to expand Argentina's territory by annexing Chiliean & British territories in the South Atlantic, however, to do this they needed a pretext to justify these acts of aggression to the Argentine people.
Instead the Argentine fascists created a state education programme to indoctrinate a false irrendentist revanchanist nationalist claim about the Falklands in order to create favourable political conditions in Argentina to seize these lands for Argentina.
This propaganda uses deliberate falsehoods to dupe people into being emotional & angry due to a false version of history, designed to manipulate them.
This is why I oppose the propaganda.
Saludos.
Not sure how I can put this jorgy boy, but how about -
Jun 29th, 2010 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0islas Falkland son Inglese
Please excuse me, spanish is a little rusty .... :-)
The answer to the article is, of course, that C24 is totally political. It is a South American puppet. That is why the UK pays no attention to it.
Jun 29th, 2010 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hoytred
Jun 29th, 2010 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Las Falklands son británicas, no inglesas.
It's bad enough Argentines thinking the Falklands are inhabited by English people when they're not, without you encouraging them in that belief.
Thankyou for the correction ... never had the knack for languages. I do come from Birmingham after all :-)
Jun 29th, 2010 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I lived in birmingham for two years, even after 2 years i had trouble understanding some people lol. I believe they call them yamyams? Couldn't understand a word! XD
Jun 29th, 2010 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Was good fun living there though.
“YamYams” are from the Black Country which is to the north of Birmingham, around Wolverhampton. I have dificulty understanding them and my family all came from around there :-)
Jun 30th, 2010 - 02:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Black Country = Good ale, excellent pork scratchings and a good sense of humour.
No, Domingo, despite what 1850 treaty says talking about “all differences”, you have to take into account the context where it was signed, that is to say, another of many british aggressions against Argentina. I've read to think what I think, I don't eat propaganda!
Jul 01st, 2010 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And you didn't answer my questions, I have some more, ¿Sos de los que salieron con Blungberg a la calle a protestar? ¿Sos de los que se oponen a la asignación universal por hijo? ¿Estás en contra del futbol para todos? ¿Estás en contra del uso de las reservas para pagar deuda?
I want to know what sort of thinking you have. Please answer, if possible in Spanish.
Please answer,if possible in Spanish
Jul 01st, 2010 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Allow me
(in a loud voice)
Youo jorgo oneo sandwicho shorto of picnico
Get over it Jorge, in 1850 you signed a convention with Britain. So what about the context, it makes no difference to the FACT that the UP signed the treaty. All differences were settled, and that included the Falklands. The strongest evidence for that is the messages to congress stopped immediately after the convention was signed.
Jul 02nd, 2010 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0I was just looking at the relationship between Argentina and Chile. It would seem that Argentina have a history of repudiating Treaties that no longer suit them!
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