MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Timnerman underlines Beijing’s support in UN Falklands’ presentation
Argentina’s newly appointed Foreign Minister Héctor Timerman said that China expressed “strong support” for Argentina’s sovereignty claim over the Falklands and other South Atlantic islands, but was disappointed by the bias coverage of the Buenos Aires press. Read full article
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Jun 26th, 2010 - 06:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who can take those chinese guts seriously?
Guts?
Jun 26th, 2010 - 06:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your fat fingers got excited at that news
UN Chinese representative approached me to express strong support on the Malvinas sovereignty
When they were both taking a piss, lol
I notice the Chinese have not put anything in writing, so whatever they whispered into Tinkerman's ear is meaningless platitude...
Jun 26th, 2010 - 07:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Omg.. Lol..
Jun 26th, 2010 - 07:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are right stik up your junta
HaHa.. Lol...Lol... Lol
What's your WOW character?
I wouldn't read too much into this, it is for domestic consumption and an attempt to improve Argentine - China relations which are less than cordial after the soya fiasco. China has long held a neutral position with a bias towards Argentina just as the USA has held a neutral position with a bias towards the UK. This is related to the history of UK rule in Hong Kong etc.
Jun 26th, 2010 - 07:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0If China does give strong support for Argentina the. Why does this not appear on the minutes?
Ultimatly you have to look at the flow of money and people to decide who China sees as the most important partner. The Chinese provide incentives for British businessmen to re-locate to China and have even built an “English” village in Shanghi to attract these individuals. The pub has a couple of decent ales! Also look at how many Chinese students are at UK universities. China will not go on the record to voice any support for either nation and they certainly won't support self-determination as they deny their own citizens such rights.
“ ... He was particularly furious with Clarin and La Nación which apparently asked for a press conference but “to talk about domestic policy ....”
Jun 26th, 2010 - 08:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0So even the local press isn't very impressed by the Decolonization Committee's 44th Resolution concerning the Falkland Islands ... still, it's only New Boy's first go at this so I suppose he thinks that he's achieved something. Be careful of those inscrutable chinese New Boy and remember they like to proclaim that they NEVER interefere in another State's business.
At least Sierra Leone had the bottle to come out in support of the right of the islanders to self-determination. Not that it matters, I suspect the Decolonization Committee's days are numbered. Russia is now questioning the cost of keeping the process going when results are likely to be thin on the ground.
(5) Beef
Jun 26th, 2010 - 08:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0As a serious investor you should keep pace with the news mate.
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/06/26/china-ends-freeze-on-argentina-soy-oil-imports-says-buenos-aires
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/06/26/china-ends-freeze-on-argentina-soy-oil-imports-says-buenos-aires
Uppps.
By the way... Did you notice that MercoPress is calling BP for British Petroleum?
“ He was particularly furious with Clarin and La Nación which apparently asked for a press conference but “to talk about domestic policy”.”
Jun 26th, 2010 - 08:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0It has often been said that Argentine governments often try to play the Falklands hand when they are in difficulty at home. Well there we have it...it isn't working anymore. The press dared to ignore the issue of the Falklands to talk about “domestic policy” Oh dear....
Think. Read my post carefully before you reply. I said “after” the fiasco! That is the past tense, you have a good command of the English language to recognize that.
Jun 26th, 2010 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Boys.. boys.. boys
Jun 26th, 2010 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Some background information for you.
The “Clarin News Group” has nearly monopolized information during the last 40 years in Argentina. (Kind of a local Rupert Murdoch)
The “Mantra” at “Clarin’s “ redaction has always been:
No government can survive 3 negative front pages from our newspaper!
The K’s have survived hundreds of them.
The owner of the “Clarin Group”, Ernestina Noble made a “little mistake” in 1976.
She was childless and accepted two babies as a gift from a general.
Many organisations in Argentina (backed by the Kirchners) have fought for more than 30 years to find the “missing babies” of Argentina´s “dirty war”.
The “Clarin Group” has tried in any possible and impossible way to protect its owner by discrediting this people.
The results of the compartive DNA tests ordered by the court on her Children are due in the next weeks.
Everybody is expecting them to be sons of the “Disappeared”.
Mrs. Noble left Argentina this week for an indefinite period of time.
Think. Your domestic issues are of no real concern to us. Waiting for you to acknowledge that fact I did recognize that the soya fiasco with China was a past event! Any time now please.
Jun 26th, 2010 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think - you'll be telling next that journalists are double dyed, devious b*st*rds who can't be trusted to report anything accurately and wouldn't know the truth if it stared them in the face :-)
Jun 26th, 2010 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0I also noted the entry regarding BP's possible pull-out from Argentina. It did just cross my mind that if they had no interests in Argentina, then they weren't likely to fall foul of that new law. What do you think, Think ??
(9) and (11)Beef
Jun 26th, 2010 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0People are commenting about “Clarin”; I comment about “Clarin”.
Relevant enough for me, mate.
I can’t avoid noticing the fact that the only thing you disapprove in my posts is my misreading of the English tenses.
I bow, of course, to your higher knowledge of the past tense!
(12) Hoyt
Tsk-Tsk, Junior
Remember: There is always two sides, even in journalism....
My comment about British Petroleum was mainly aimed at highlighting the incumbent investment opportunity to Mr. Beef.
Wonder if Mr. Beef has some Chinese Oil Companies shares in his portfolio.
As a proper capitalistic patriot he is unquestionably appropriately “hedged”.
Think. I prefer to invest in India rather than China. I have holdings in EROS and OPG. Manged to profit on Gulfsands as te sp shot up with the eventually aborted takeover bid from the big Indian oil companies.Indian power companies have excellent long term upside due to the “energy for all policy” which aims for all Indians to have electricity by 2012. Very altruistic investments.
Jun 26th, 2010 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0(14)Beef
Jun 26th, 2010 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0What did you write to me at ( nr 11)?
Ohh. Yes: “Your domestic issues are of no real concern to us”.
Your domestic economy seems quite .......
domestic to me but.... anyhow..... fascinating how different people pursue different interests in life
Both of these companies are listed on AIM:LSE. Stop trying to fish for irrelevancies. Take my adivce if you wish or don't bother, your money is your money. Anyway I have a small pot of capital waiting to be used when FOGL announce their info from Toroa. If it is a hit them buy into FOGL early in to the rise or on the first retrace (usually within a few hours of the RNS) when the IIs bank some profit. If it is a duster then I will be buying into the sentimental dip that will occur on RKH (RKH fundementals will not change but market sentiment may push the sp down between 5-10% in the short term).
Jun 26th, 2010 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DYOR and remember this is a risky investment - although the amount of risk from Argentina is negligible and has had no bearing on the descisions of the big boys.
:-0
Jun 26th, 2010 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok mate....
Would you lend me some money? Lets say 50.000 £
C'mon....
Be nice...
You know you can trust me.....
Pay you back...
I prommes...
Try a borrowing money from a bank. I recommend Barclays as they have tons of shares in the Falkland Oil explorers and the Argentine government saw them fit enough to help arrange the debt swap. So much for Argentine government policy.
Jun 26th, 2010 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are a......tough little cookie.
Jun 26th, 2010 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Beef
Jun 26th, 2010 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After seen your enthusiastic analysis of FOGL http://www.fogl.com I have to admit that you have guts to put your money on this. BTW the guys forgot to put the claim of Argentina and the possibility of a new war in the about us page. haha
By the way do you have 5 million dollars in cash? I will promise to turn this into 40 in 8 years.
Let me know may be we can be partners after all.
@Hoytred
“It did just cross my mind that if they had no interests in Argentina”
BP in a big mess due to the fiasco in the US oil rig explosion (Deepwater Horizon) in the Gulf of Mexico.
They need a lot of cash to avoid the ruin of the company as the total cost until now including the lost in market value over pass the 100 billions US dollars.
As this seems don’t to be enough the rating agencies downgrade the credit rating of its debts to junk crap status. Making the BP situation even worse and it is desperate for cash to keep the company running.
So BP needs urgently to sale assets all over the world to rise U$S 12 billion quickly.
As everyone knows, that when you are in a desperate situation, and everyone in the Business know that, you need to sale attractive assets that investors want to buy fast and see as good opportunity to make a big money on the back of BP loses.
So they will sale interesting assets to survive the fiasco including in US, Colombia, Venezuela, Argentina, Russia, etc.
BP is not in a good shape to negotiate in a strong position. I would be waiting for a good bargain.
I would like that you post something serious for a change and make some research fist instead to jump from the cliff when you hear Argentina. Haha.
Germany vs England tomorrow lets see if you are able to do something right this time mate. Do you please?
We'll glad waiting for you.
Takes one to know one pal. Good luck in the World Cup by the way. I think Argentina look a good bet to lift the title.
Jun 26th, 2010 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the possibility of a new war
Jun 26th, 2010 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0stick to something you Argies are good at like football or Tango, Nicotine
“BTW the guys forgot to put the claim of Argentina and the possibility of a new war in the about us page”
Jun 26th, 2010 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It shows you how relevant they think your so called claim is NicoDim.
Nicodin - time will tell all :-)
Jun 26th, 2010 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ stick up your junta
Jun 26th, 2010 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are good in wars too Stick especially with UK, France and Spain else we will be an overseas territory of one of them. We have a very large territory have you noted that? Do you think that you can keep this size with flowers?
Sometime we lost and other we won well we won almost all of them with the exception of 1982.
Nothing bad at all considering that we face UK in wars 4 times and UK lost 3 times. We face France 2 times and we won 2.
Here the list may be interest you:
UK
1806, 1807, 1845-1850, 1982
France 1838-1840, 1845-50
What do you think? Would you like to try how good we are?
I don’t think so mate because you are not good in wars especially against the Argies.
So, same advise to you Stick to something Brits are good at like fish & chips, play music, banking (well after seen in the mess you are I’m not sure now), football (gosh you are not good for this either).
What the hell are you good for mate? Can you help me please?
@ J.A Roberts
Really? may be you are a little bit wrong perhaps?
Listen guys, let us stop talking about a second war. It isn't going to happen and Argentina does not have the military capacity to make any threat anyway. In 1982 even the thought of facing a gurkha with his sharpened Kukri was enough to fill the Argentine soldiers with dred and the white flags were waving.
Jun 26th, 2010 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even if it did end up in some sort of military conflict then I highly doubt the likes of Jihad Jorge or NicoDin would be willing to hold a rifle and be used as target practice.
It isn't going to happen and all investors, Argentine politicians ans Argentine conscripts know this!
Nico and his sort are angry little boys with a serious lack of intelligence. They do not deserve the respect of anyone on this board. I do have time for Think though and despite having opposing views he has never tried to be insulting and is a good person to debate with. We will never agree but I would at least buy him a beer.
NicoDin. 1806 and 1807 weren't you. They were Spain. You didn't exist except as a COLONY. No real attempts by Britain, just raids on the Spanish Empire. No follow up from 1808 because Britain was busy saving Spain from Napoleon. 1845-1850. The Argentine Confederation ruled by the dictator Rosas who didn't care about anything outside Buenos Aires. Defeated by an Anglo-French naval squadron at the Battle of Vuelta de Obligado. 1982. No contest. A sneak attack followed by a British victory after 74 days.
Jun 26th, 2010 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We don't have to TRY how good you are. You're rubbish. Try to remember that the British deployment in Afghanistan is nominally 10,000. But not the same 10,000. They are rotated and that has gone on for the last 9 years at approximately 6 month intervals. Deployed troops are from the 114,400 men of the Regular Army and the 35,500 of the Territorial Army. Use your mathematical skills to work out the percentage of the current British Army are experienced combat troops.
Using your examples, it works out to Britain 4 Argentina 0.
Be proud of your troops by all means, but don't be stupid.
What the hell are you good for mate? Can you help me please
Jun 26th, 2010 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Keeping the Falklands :-)
(26) Beef
Jun 26th, 2010 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only one !
It better be big!!!
( What a scobe)
;-)
I agree with beef, Think is the only Argentine who acts even slightly logical.
Jun 26th, 2010 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I don’t think so mate because you are not good in wars especially against the Argies.”
You are judging this on something that happened over 200 years ago?
CURRENTLY. Britian would, and has chewed your nation up for breakfast. And if it came down to it again, we would just embarrass you again. I understand your nationalism, but your view on the capabilities of your armed forces are fictional.
And as for Beijing's support?
Jun 26th, 2010 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, I haven't heard that China has given up its ideal of Communist domination of the world. Methods may have changed.
Not that there are many Communist nations left now, but if there is one country one should be careful of being too pally with, it's China. Hey, Communist Argentina with Chinese overlords.
china a geopolitical player in south atlantic.
Jun 26th, 2010 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0afro-mercosur mare nostrum.
CHINA, now i suggest very happily that Argentina ignore everything that china was supposed to have said, or anything else, china is a communist country that cares for NO ONE except herself, she is big and powerful , but she fully understands that she could and would lose the lot, if she ever took an interest or was conned into backing Argentina, china has no interest in them at all, she is getting richer on the backs of the western world, with cheap goods, she would never ,never put all that at risk for a third world dictatorship who still clings to the hope of resurrecting Hitler,,,, china has a very bad human rights, kills without mercy, and army of just under 3million, a growing navy and air force. .perhaps in 50 years time she may make her move, but like most giants they depend on others for their wealth, and wont put it at risk, so please Argentina, don’t even think of it, even if a miracle happened and she did back you, you would all be dead before china got to you, WW3 will never happen on your back, so peace will rain for us for at least another 50 years. sadly i cant say the same for Argentina, forget the Falkland ,the earth will freeze before you ever get their,,,
Jun 26th, 2010 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0china ,by the way, is a very nice country to visit and the people are great, but like all military action its the governments that cause it-the troops that fight and die for it, then the government [again] that makes the peace.............peace in our time Argentina, go home and be happy.
you would not like the ROYAL NAVY to come all the way down their to slap you again [would you]
I get it! It's a riddle made up by a brain-dead degenerate ignoramus.
Jun 26th, 2010 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You'll have to give me time. I'm not used to getting down to that level. Could you wait until Monday afternoon? I can consult a local kindergarden.
The Chinese are inscrutable .... and cannot be trusted, except perhaps in the production of a good chow mein :-)
Jun 26th, 2010 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm also mystified by this Turkish guy (Billy Hayes).
Jun 27th, 2010 - 04:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0He even called Chavez for a jewish “Trojan Horse” in South America.
I suppose he was the second shooter in Dallas.........
I suppose he was the second shooter in Dallas
Jun 27th, 2010 - 06:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mythology,like Argentina's claim to the Falklands
TWIMC
Jun 27th, 2010 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0I just want to correct some misconceptions about the alleged illegality of the Argentinean economic strategy against the British Overseas Territory of the Falklands.
Levies, charges, tariffs, duties, restrictions and national / regional regulations / laws etc. will be applied to anyone using any of our regional infrastructure to trade with the Malvinas.
Similar kind of restrictive measures will apply to anyone making business with both sides.
Be it tourism, transport, fishery, mineral and oil extraction..... whatever.
We utilize the “United States Cuba Embargo” as an inspiration and working example, discarding most of the contentious elements and keeping the useful ones.
We are not boycotting the UK or any other country, just any Falkland/ Malvinas related business.
We still want our Guinness and Colman’s Mint Sauce!
These economical measures are being implemented at consumer, local, national and regional level.
Kind of going to Tesco and choosing NOT to buy Argentinean meat, I guess.
All other Companies/Actors in the international market will, of course, continue their relationship with the British Overseas Territory as they see fit............... but without the benefit of employing our regional infrastructure.
Cost/benefit analysis, as always, will be the deciding factor for those companies.
Thanks for this appraisal Think. Looks like Argentina would be cutting out a significant amount of potential business that would generate significant revenue for Argentina and her citizens. The Islands have enough links to do without Argentine collaboration so thing will carry on as usual. The FIG have always said they are more than happy to do business with Argentina. With oil production in the US to significantly decline, speculatora are suggesting the price of oil will again climb above $100 by 2012 at the latest. With the Islands being dubbed Bah-Rain then the potential income for the Southern provinces is huge. Cost/Benefit may indeed be a deciding factor for the Argentine leadership; whoever it will then be?
Jun 27th, 2010 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0(39)Beef
Jun 27th, 2010 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0On the contrary....
We are developing our own potential business together with Petrobras and some Far West Oil companies that have a higher revenue potential for the region than those small ”shell” oil companies ever could offer.
You keep ignoring the fact that our strategy is Regional, that means Argentina, Brazil Uruguay and Chile collaborating.
They are not so many “links” leftover in my map.
Maybe your map is better.
Never heard about Bah-Rain before...
Not bad.....
May I suggest a slight modification?
What about Bahhhhhh-Rain (Because of all those sheep you know)
They're only 'shell' companies till (if) they find something, then they'll be swallowed up by the big boys ...... such is the way of business!
Jun 27th, 2010 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please Beef, don´t sell your shares for, keep it please, you are called to play an important role in south atlantic conflict in near future.
Jun 27th, 2010 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0sooner than later you and your stockholders mates will be more important than the 2500 endogamic kelpers as political players.
sooner than later you will find that kelpers speech and intransigence is the main obstacule to make your enterprise succeed.
(41) Hoyt
Jun 27th, 2010 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Amen!
42: Erm, That doesn't make sence. Why would the islanders become an obsticle when it was them who called for the oil drilling?
Jun 27th, 2010 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Breaking News !!!
Jun 27th, 2010 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina’s Foreign Minister Timerman most popular person according to Independent British news Agency!
Minister Timerman occupies all top five “most commented” places in the MercoPress list.
Twinky. No link?
Jun 27th, 2010 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Prime Minister Cameron tells Botox Queen, “Keep your hands off the Falkland Islands or we'll cut them off.”
(45) Think
Jun 27th, 2010 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think, you forgot to link!
http://en.mercopress.com/
Next time remember to link, Think
Brazil Uruguay and Chile collaborating
Jun 27th, 2010 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0trouble IS none of those countries trusts Argentina any more than you would trust a snake, ,,Argentina still has territorial ambitions, she would invade Uruguay and Chile, if she could get away with it.
the Falklands have by far the best country in the world for protection.
brazil will take no shit from the argies, one false move and they will dump you... Argentina is, and always have been the laughing hyenas.
as a matter of fact, brazil if she grows that powerful, may prove a danger to argentines ambitions, brazil is the south American country of the future, Argentina is only a bit player, you don’t really think the others would let Argentina loose with all that power do you....
just like the world cup the argies have the balls, and brazil will kick your balls into the net if two meet,???????????
I am a Brutish citizen, born and raised in Brutain and I vehemently demand an immediate retaliatory nuclear bombardment of Montevideo by the Brutish Royal Navy.
Jun 27th, 2010 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Larrionda
That’s why!
God Save the King
Ps:
For us, old enough to remember the good old times!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Larrionda
helpve vill rule the world said Germany [false]
Jun 27th, 2010 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we will rule the world said France [false]
we will rule the world said spain [false]
we will rule the Falklands said the argies.[false]
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we will defend and defeat any country that threatens or attacks us or any British peoples living on free land in the world said Britain. True]
we will defeat the argies said Britain [true] we will do it again, if they are stupid enough to try said Britain. True]
we will tell our people the truth say the argies [false]
time and time again we are proved the victor, and the argies the fools, wont they ever learn [no said Argentina] we never learn
For us, old enough to remember the good old times!
Jun 27th, 2010 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__MJV11nRqU
Hey Twinky. There's a new seat designed just for you.
Jun 27th, 2010 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0/
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Hop on. And don't forget to swivel!!
as the iron lady said,Just rejoice at that news
Jun 27th, 2010 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/cameron-digs-in-over-falklands-as-oil-revives-former-tension-2011727.html
“Timerman complained that the strong Beijing support for Argentina’s Malvinas Claim was “ignored” by much of the Argentine media. He was particularly furious with Clarin and La Naciòn which apparently asked for a press conference but “to talk about domestic policy”.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Undoubtedly, this was for domestic consumption. He was doing domestic policy with Argentina’s claim. Nobody in my country among the people who can think, seriously expects the Islands becoming ours some day. Not even in the long term. Not after1982 when we spoiled everything and lost the chance of getting a reasonable agreement for both sides with the inclusion of the Islanders. But we were brainwashed for so long with this and other matters, that “Malvinas” inevitably became an emotional subject for most of our people which is a problem we must solve.
54) Katraskin
Jun 28th, 2010 - 03:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
Nobody in my country among the people who can think, seriously expects the Islands becoming ours some day.
I say:
Think........I can “think seriously ” and I expect the Malvinas to be ours again!
You say:
We were brainwashed for so long with this and other matters that “Malvinas” inevitably became an emotional subject for most of our people, which is a problem we must solve.
I say:
By taking the workers to the polling stations in your trucks and telling them how to vote, maybe?
We have many problems to solve in Argentina. Yes....
And People like you that think and declare that their personal opinion represents all the “Thinking” people are the biggest one.
So..... NOT IN OUR NAME Mr. Katraskin.
Think
That's not thinking Think .... that's hoping! Hope over reason I suspect as there is nothing that I can see that gives you any reason to support that hope. But then, perhaps your eyesight is better than mine.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 03:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0You appear to have Guardian journalists in your society too .... although you haven't attempted to check his spanish :-)
briton n°46 is hylarious; what are you drinking sunday night??
Jun 28th, 2010 - 03:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0nice mondey, jajajaja, for me too.
(56) Hoyt
Jun 28th, 2010 - 05:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0I can relate to that....
”There is nothing that I can see...”
Your eyesight is, at least, as bad as mine.
And you have, apparently, misplaced your glasses ......again.
A piece of advice, Junior. Buy a bunch and place them strategically around your home......
Soo........ You too noticed our well-formulated, auto-critical new friend.
I didn’t think about checking his identity because, as a matter of fact, there are many people in Argentina that think in similar ways.
The brainwash Argentineans have been subjected is not nearly as effective as the proudish self-delusion many Britons have been led to indulge in ☺
Breaking news From News at ten!
Jun 28th, 2010 - 06:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Brintons still singing “Two World Wars and One World Cup” to the Deutschs after the terrible humiliation defeat in SA.
Specialists have advised to NHS to take urgent measures to stop further deterioration on the Briton mental health.
To make things worst seem Argie fans started to sing to British “3 Argie/Anglo wars and 2 world cups”.
The implication for the mental health of Britons can be irreversible causing them delirium tremens and other mental disorders.
Sales of medicines like Rivotril® and Iraplax® has rocketed in UK and Malvinas in few hours.
Dorctors of the world have been asking to the Argies to have a little bit of humanitarian consideration. So Argies willing to help called Wild Life to work on a program to save as many Britons as possible.
A specie in a slow but steady process of extinction.
Poor Britons from a world power 200 years ago to the laugh and humiliation of the world.
I said:
Jun 28th, 2010 - 06:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0The brainwash Argentineans have been subjected is not nearly as effective as the proudish self-delusion many Britons have been led to indulge in ☺
But then, of course some of us have no brain to wash! :-) *
*See (59)
I thought Timerman was supposed to be a champion of human rights?
Jun 28th, 2010 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0It would appear he is only a champion of human rights when it doesn't conflict with his governments wishes.
Why would a man who claims to be a champion of human rights want to get all friendly with China, a country well known for it's human rights violations.
Come to that how can the committee of 24 be taken seriously when China is a member.
China are subjugating Tibet at the point of a gun, yet they some how believe they should have a say in the falklands.
I mean is this some kind of joke? It certainly appears to be.
THIMC
Jun 28th, 2010 - 08:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0After nearly 2 weeks debating in this forum I have come to the conclusion that many of you believe that:
The Malvinas Basin can just be develop as we want, Argentina can do nothing and if they don’t want to cooperate we have other options like Chile, Uruguay or Brazil.
Well........as Mr.Beef, our resident oil and investment expert always says:
Do your own research!
(I include just a few links from an ”independent” source.)
en.mercopress.com/2010/06/23/argentine-congress-to-vote-bill-discriminating-companies-working-in-the-falklands
en.mercopress.com/2010/05/06/china-s-main-oil-corporation-closes-3.1-billion-deal-with-argentina-s-bridas
en.mercopress.com/2010/04/09/argentina-to-drill-two-wells-next-to-falklands-waters-in-last-quarter
en.mercopress.com/2009/12/10/chile-denies-any-plans-to-work-with-fogl-in-falklands-oil-exploration
en.mercopress.com/2009/07/02/ypfpetrobrasgalp-to-explore-for-oil-in-uruguayan-waters
en.mercopress.com/2009/06/09/repsol-petrobras-and-bp-to-explore-for-oil-next-to-falklands-waters
As you can read, all four countries in the region are already cooperating in substantial oil projects.
It is improbable they would risk loosing an already existing business for the sake of some “long shot” projects run by some small British oil companies.
As my Grandpapa used to say: “A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.”
Argentina’s political strategy is, of course, to make it economically unattractive for our neighbors to collaborate with anybody making business with Malvinas.
My honest conclusion as newly started amateur oil investment consultant is that Argentina can do plenty to upset the British development of the Malvinas Basin and that She is doing it.
A detail any potential investor should not be oblivious of.
And remember: Never invest more than you can afford to loose!
Think Oil Inc.
For someone called think you'd expect that you could do a bit more of it, rather than post the same message on every topic.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0@zethe
Jun 28th, 2010 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0What for? By the way is still “The office” going on in UK tv?
The manager a really funny guy made me laugh a lot.
This is real British style of life. A shame Argentina's tv don't have it on air.
My be so Argies would understand you more and allow you to keep the Malvinas another 100 years more. Haha
64 NicoDin
Jun 28th, 2010 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0“What for? By the way is still “The office” going on in UK tv?
The manager a really funny guy made me laugh a lot.
This is real British style of life. A shame Argentina's tv don't have it on air.
My be so Argies would understand you more and allow you to keep the Malvinas another 100 years more. Haha”
NicoDin perhaps you should consider a career as a comedy writer yourself? You choice of the word “Allow” in your above comment was hilarious.
“You choice of the word “Allow” in your above comment was hilarious.”
Jun 28th, 2010 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0LOL!
Galton and Simpson, Mel Smith and Griff Rhys Jones Nicodin and Piles
Jun 28th, 2010 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I seem to recall that the last time China took on the West it was China that called “Uncle”.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aye true, but don't underestemate China, they are very quickly becoming what russia was 40 years ago.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also true. But the North Koreans wanted the Soviet Red Army. They didn't get it. Could the Chinese do what the Russians wouldn't?
Jun 28th, 2010 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Given the fact that one in every six people on the planet is from china, they would dwarf any other army, if they had the money.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If they had the money the US has now, we would be in a sorry state. Especially given the fact that the US is on a slow decline.
@zethe
Jun 28th, 2010 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0China can crash any army right now but this is boring to discuss.
@LegionNi
I getting some fun by watching olds episodes from the Office. Who of you guys identify more with Finch?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESp01zCOf7o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESp01zCOf7o
haha Finch is amazing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESp01zCOf7o
I doubt they would beat the US in a fight at the moment, US Technology is far superior plus the training is too, the money they have is rediculous.
Jun 29th, 2010 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0The US is still the worlds sole superpower.
@zethe
Jun 29th, 2010 - 02:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0“US Technology is far superior plus the training is too”
You know about wars like me about SUMO in Japan.
Americans were technological inferior during they war for independence against and UK and they won.
American were undoubtedly technological superior in Vietnam and they lost.
German were technological superior in WWII and they lost.
American and Brits are technological superior in Afghanistan and you are losing. Where is your superior training and technological advantage here?
So you have to learn that by having the last expensive war toy does not means that you will win any war.
Afghanistan and Vietnam can easily show that among others similar examples.
And again China can crash any army in the world I’m not saying that would be easy or China will not be hurt in the process.
And money has nothing to do in a war it’s depend of the nation involved in the conflict. And you are making another wrong assumption china has 1.5 times the UK GDP in reserves close to 3 trillion at the moment.
So if you are measuring the possibilities of wining a war buy the money you’ve got let says that China will defeat UK 4 times in a war, Japan 2 times.
And by thinking a little bit hard I remember now that UK has any money left so you cannot win any war.
Or even worse UK by having an external debt near of 11 trillion by now UK has so many wars too lose in the future.
May be you are right after all and may be the explanation of why UK doesn’t win any war or important football much recently. Have you noted that? haha
US superpower? just good useful rhetoric but the history is proving something different any evidence please?
Maybe nicotine but we would be in a sorry state if we couldnt whoop the Argie armed force's
Jun 29th, 2010 - 05:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0German were technological superior in WWII and they lost.
Jun 29th, 2010 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thats just not true. Both sides had simular technology. A perfect example of this is when Britan invented radar and beat the germans using it, fighting at odds of 4 to one on the german side. and still won the battle of britan.
Afghanistan and Vietnam can easily show that among others similar examples.
Your fundimental misunderstanding is that you classify Afghanistan as a war, when it's not. A war is a conflict between two nations or government. Afghanistan and iraq are not this. They are policing a nation which is going through what is more like a civil war.
“And money has nothing to do in a war it’s depend of the nation involved in the conflict. And you are making another wrong assumption china has 1.5 times the UK GDP in reserves close to 3 trillion at the moment.”
Actually, it's you who are making assumptions. I did not mention china in relevance to the UK. i was compairing them to the USA.
China spends about 80 million a year on its military.
USA spends about 550 billion a year on it's military.
This is the sole reason that US Navy is as strong as the next 15 navys combined. And the navy, as history has shown, is the real power in this world. china could have 8 billion troops in china, if it's navy can not get those troops anywhere, it has no power outside it's borders. It's called power projection.
We learned this a long time ago, it's how we managed to rule half the worlds population with the smallest land army of any other nation: Navy.
And you are wrong, money IS war.
THIMC
Jun 29th, 2010 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0I luuuuv how this journalist avoids by any means to mention the ”A” word
en.mercopress.com/2010/06/28/soccer-first-played-by-the-guarani-paraguay-according-to-the-vatican#comments
He chooses to write:
Soccer was born ....in San Ignacio Miní during the XVII century, in a region now identified as Misiones to the south of Paraguay’s capital Asunción.
He should have written:
Soccer was born ....in San Ignacio Miní during the XVII century, in a region now identified as the province of Misiones, to the north of Argentina’s capital Buenos Aires.
Anyhow..... the rest of the article is just useless Catholic South-American judeo-communist brainwash.
Everybody knows that it was the Chinese who invented Football.
@zethe
Jun 29th, 2010 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry mate Germans were far more advanced than Britain and US.
Jet and rocket aircraft
Arado 234 (the world's first jet bomber), Messerschmitt 262 ( world's first jet fighter), Messerschmitt 163 (world's first rocket-powered fighter), Heinkel 162 (fast & Easy ever mass production with minimal training work force and pilots).
Dornier 335 (world's first fighter with eject seat), Junkers 87 Stuka (world's first real precision bomber), Flettner 282 (world's first operational military helicopters) & Focke Achgelis 223 (multi task helicopter).
Guided and Automatic Weapons
Henschel Hs-293 (world's first operational guided missile) and it first operational mission sank a Brithish warship, Ruhrstahl Fritz-X (the world's first guided bomb), V-1 (the world's first cruise missile), V-2 – (the world's first medium/long range ballistic missile), Schrage Musik & Sondergerate (automatically triggered systems by photoelectric sensors).
Subs & Toperdoes
Type 21 submarine (world's first submarine built to stay submerged during its entire patrol).
EPTs (The world's first electric powered torpedoes)
Stealth (the world's first stealth coating) today known as LOT or low observable technology.
Chemical weapons
Nerve Gas: Tabun, Sarin, Soman (the world's first three types of Nerve Gas chemical weapons).
Army weapons
Sturmgewehr 44 ( the world's first assault rifle)
Communications:
The Germans got the most sophisticate communication and cryptography system like Wehrmacht Enigma.
The allies only could understand how it works thank to the Polish as they were able to decrypt some German messages.
The list can be very large and Germany was far more advanced than the allies especially when started the WWII.
“you classify Afghanistan as a war” sorry Pentagon, US govt. Your govt. all parties involved and any media source classifies this as a war.
I cannot answer the rest as I am running out of...
Little boy nicotine or fat man :-)
Jun 29th, 2010 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 074 Nico. You are quite selective, aren't you? “Americans were technological inferior during they war for independence against and UK and they won.” Not quite. The Americans would like everyone to believe this just the way they would like everyone to believe that they won the War of 1812-1815. Unfortunately, neither is true. The American Revolutionary War was getting the Americans nowhere until they got some help from the Dutch, the French and, guess who, the Spanish. And then only because the British public got tired of it. So the war itself was just a stalemate. And in 1812-1815, Britain was already fighting the far more important Napoleonic Wars. The American war was an unimportant sideshow. And modern historians reckon it was also a stalemate.
Jun 29th, 2010 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I won't comment on the Vietnam War. The Americans forgot a basic principle. Know thy enemy.
Afghanistan. As far as I can see Afghani insurgents are reckoned to have lost 30,000+. Don't think NATO-ISAF casualties are anywhere near. And are fighting with one hand behind to avoid civilian casualties. And the insurgents cannot be told from civilians unless they are holding a weapon.
Nice of you to be concerned with the UK's debt. However, the UK's GDP is still four times that of Argentina.
Communications:
Jun 29th, 2010 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Germans got the most sophisticate communication and cryptography system like Wehrmacht Enigma
And the British broke the codes
NicoDin, Yes. those were new technology. The allies utalised different technology.
Jun 29th, 2010 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Different does not = more or less advanced.
First of all, the british had assault rifle technology. British commanders wern't too keen on the idea, they prefered rifles. only commandos used them.
Subs, yeah they did well with subs untill we adaped to it, then the RN tore the german navy to bits.
Yeah they invented a new type of chemical weapon, but they wern't exactly the first nation to use them. I recall the british using a chemical weapon(of sorts) to destroy an entire french fleet as far back as the 13th century.
“The Germans got the most sophisticate communication and cryptography system like Wehrmacht Enigma.”
Thats just not true. The polish and the british broke their code.
The Allies had their own section of new technology too. Computers, Aircraft carriers. Amphibious Landing Vehicles.
To say the germans had the first jet is a bit misleading too, A british person was the first person to invent the jet engine. The first german jet plane was created in the same week as the British counterpart.
Almost everything was invented by a british person, but as we could never afford to develope it, others then built it and claimed it for their own, if it was not for our corrupt MPs and other greedy pigs, the british would ,by now, have spaceships running arround space , like your local high street, we are now getting their , with our own space program, but even this is very slow, it seems that the people in charge dont want it to be a british person , who bumps into the alien, so some other nation will get the glory ect ect.??
Jun 29th, 2010 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0↑↑↑↑↑↑↑ Ethnocentrism anybody? ↑↑↑↑↑↑↑
Jun 30th, 2010 - 04:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0@harrier61
Jun 30th, 2010 - 05:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0You always loose wars because you didn’t wanna win or the Dutch helped them or because was not a war or whatever excuse.
“the UK's GDP is still four times that of Argentina”
Yes but with 3 wars credit
@stick up your junta
“And the British broke the codes”
No mate
The Polish military intelligence did break the code and they also were able to reproduce Enigma machines: The polish later introduced the system Enigma to the French and from that allies were able to decode German algos. Later British and Americans where able to intercept German encrypted messages known any successful break as ULTRA (British intelligence name).
@zethe
You didn’t have a different technology you were in the Stone Age compared with the Germans and you still are.
And can you please name your official Assault Rifle fist to German one?
And about your power projection.
Seems is to be very useless as still you are a little island and the 0.165% territory in the world.
And we (the underdogs Argies) still hold and rule the 2% of the one of the richest territory in the world and biggest mass of land. And projecting power to South Atlantic, Antarctica and Uruguay (according with Liberty haha)
Can someone tell the Brits that UK is a province of the German/Franco Europe please?
Insults please in Español else them wouldn’t be taking into account. Haha
Nicotine ever heard of Alan Turing?
Jun 30th, 2010 - 06:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0@harrier61
Jun 30th, 2010 - 06:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0You always loose wars because you didn’t wanna win or the Dutch helped them or because was not a war or whatever excuse.
Erm, thats just not true? The last full on war we “lost” was the american war of independance. Since then there have been battles lost, but no wars lost.
“And can you please name your official Assault Rifle fist to German one?”
I never said we had it first. Try reading what i said. I said we had them during the war, but british commanders preferred to use rifles.
We had the Sten gun and the thompson.
“You didn’t have a different technology you were in the Stone Age compared with the Germans and you still are.”
LOL. What drugs are you on?! I listed a few technologys there, and there are others, the atomic weapon to name one? the aircraft carrier, radar, ect.
And as for still are, Are you quite insane? Britian has some of the best military technology in the world. We are the only nation in the world who is allowed to work with the USA on secret projects.
Your comment just shows how much you truly do know about the outside world.
”And about your power projection.
Seems is to be very useless as still you are a little island and the 0.165% territory in the world.
And we (the underdogs Argies) still hold and rule the 2% of the one of the richest territory in the world and biggest mass of land. And projecting power to South Atlantic, Antarctica and Uruguay (according with Liberty haha)”
Power projection is the British empire used to controll half the worlds population and a quater of the worlds land mass, with the smallest land army of any other nation in europe.
Power projection is what allowed us to retake the falklands back even though they were over 8000 miles away.
Power projection is useless? lol, you really are clueless. the US really know how to project power, this is why they are the worlds superpower. There is no other nation that can drop 100,000+ troops anywhere in the world within 2 months notice.
@zethe
Jun 30th, 2010 - 07:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0You didn’t answer my question yet.
How a so powerful superpower like UK only holds 0.165% land mass of the world?
Why a superpower nation like UK cannot win wars or battles or picnics else loose it?
Why a super technological power like UK don’t have any impact in modern world?
“Power projection is the British empire used to controll half the worlds population and a quater of the worlds land mass, with the smallest land army of any other nation in europe”
Good your selective point of view again like a said:
Power projection is a little population of 40m Argies controlling 2% of the world richest mass land while 70m British Islanders only could hold until now 0.165% of the mass land.
So zethe why you don’t make what you are good at like Music and some TV series.
Would you please?
B (ig )P (roblem)
Jun 30th, 2010 - 08:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6593#comment-648967
Some things deserve to be repeated.....
Imagine........Oil eventually reaching Europe through the Gulf Stream.
The consequences coud be quite “interesting” for the Offshore Oil industry everywhere, including Malvinas .
Quite relevant, I think.
Don’t you think?
Want to think?
So I Thought !
How a so powerful superpower like UK only holds 0.165% land mass of the world?
Jun 30th, 2010 - 08:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Power projection is a little population of 40m Argies controlling 2% of the world richest mass land while 70m British Islanders only could hold until now 0.165% of the mass land.
Because thats the size of Britian. We had an empire. It covered a quater of the world. But the time for empires is over, We accept that.
I'm unsure why you are bragging about the size of your territory, you are three times the size of the UK and the UK makes four times the money you do per year? Hardly bragging rights.
Territorys are pretty much set in stone now, it's unlikely that any nation will get larger or smaller from now on, Self Determination and all that.
Also, thats not power projection you complete idiot. Power projection (or force projection) is a term used in military and political science to refer to the capacity of a state to conduct expeditionary warfare. E.g. the falklands.
Why a superpower nation like UK cannot win wars or battles or picnics else loose it?
Britian has a history or winning more battles than it looses. Also, we are no longer a superpower, we lost that status after the second world war. After giving all our colonys independance. The definition for england would be great power.
Why a super technological power like UK don’t have any impact in modern world?
The united kingdom is the only nation in the world to be in the European Union, a permanent member of the United Nations Security Council, a member of the Commonwealth of Nations, G8, G20, NATO, OECD and the World Trade Organization.
Aside from that, is one of three nations in the world to have a blue water navy. We also have a very close relationship with the worlds sole superpower, the US.
Britian has plenty influence in the modern world.
Power projection is a little population of 40m Argies controlling 2% of the world richest mass land while 70m British Islanders only could hold until now 0.165% of the mass land.
Jun 30th, 2010 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0And a little island off the Argie mainland
Haha, yeah.
Jun 30th, 2010 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0I dunno where he got we loose most wars from. England specifically has been in more wars than any other country in history almost constantly at war for over 1000 years. We've only lost a few.
The “hand of good”
Jun 30th, 2010 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Very possibly, the B(ig )P(roblem) gusher in the north will force everybody in the Oil Industry to “seriously reconsider” their risk assessments in “special difficult places”.
With OIL out of the equation, Argentina could concentrate on the islands two other sources of revenue.
Fishery and tourism......
Fishery is nasty but simple:
The migratory patterns of all commercial species of interest are very well mapped. (thanks Dr. Arkhipkin)
The idea is to fish as much as possible along this “routes” before they reach the “Malvinas Exclusive Economic Zone”.
The “Hake case” is well known....
Most of the fishing will be licensed to foreign fleets; we don’t want our diminutive fishing industry to collapse when fish stock dwindle.
Tourism has two dimensions; Money and Value:
All the relevant Cruise Ship Lines will have to choose between Malvinas or South America...
If they want both, the S. A. port levies will be prohibitively expensive....
As most of the penguins and sea mammals will be starved or living in Argentina/Chile anyway..... ......... It’s not much point in paying 10.000 U$D for a cruise to “Pub Crawl Stanley”, see some (very nice) sheep and visit all those lovely War Memorials.
Of course Argentina is warmly in favour of the heavy Fuel Oil ban legislation in Antarctic waters too.
This will force most of the “Cheap Cruise Operators” out of the market, reducing even more the number of visitors to Malvinas
Then, we will have to find a way to get Lan Chile to re-evaluate that “uneconomical leg” to Stanley......
88 Nicodin “Power projection is a little population of 40m Argies controlling 2% of the world richest mass land while 70m British Islanders only could hold until now 0.165% of the mass land.”
Jun 30th, 2010 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nicodin - your above comment shows you don't even understand the concept of power projection.
The population size of the UK and Argentina is irrelevant to power projection.
The land mass of the UK and Argentina is irrelevant to power projection.
Power projection is a countries ability to repsond militarily anywhere in the world outside it's own borders.
The UK can do this, Argentina can't.
Not knocking Argentina here just stating facts. Argentina does not currently have the naval power to project is military power anywhere outside it's own borders. It has no power projection capability.
The UK currently does have the ability thanks to the Royal Navy.
The most important aspect of power project is naval air power via aircraft carriers..
The UK is in the process of building the two carriers, which will be the largest ships ever to serve in the Royal Navy. These will replace our current ageing light carriers.
Argentina has no aircraft carriers and none on order.
Sorry Nicodin, but on these you simply have no arguement.
85 Nico. “@harrier61
Jun 30th, 2010 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You always loose wars because you didn’t wanna win or the Dutch helped them or because was not a war or whatever excuse.” What is this? I took your points, the facts of history as it is known worldwide, except where certain countries have their own version because it makes them look better. By the way, this is a reference to the meaning of the word “loose” http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/loose .
“Yes but with 3 wars credit” You'll have to explain that one. Seems like you picked 5 words and a digit and strung them together.
On the subject of power projection, could you remember that one submarine sent nearly the entire Argentine navy scuttling for port, never to stir again until the RN went away. That's power projection!
If you're going to discuss, or even argue, come up with coherent comments. Posting “Hahaha” and then someone else's comment is a pointless waste of bandwidth.
It seems Twinky wants to discuss something other than the subject of the article. So far he's suggested oil, fishing and tourism but no-one's interested. Stick to the subject, Twinky.
95: I don't think he is looking for a discussion, as he never replys. He'll just find some other random topic and spam that all over the website later.
Jun 30th, 2010 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please meine dear Damen!
Jun 30th, 2010 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What wollen you diskutieren?.
Enigma Machine unter Eva Brauns Panties? Jahhhh...
Verry rrelevant Jahhhh...
Or Maybe Gerrmann Sturmgewähr?
Jahhhhh.... Gut
Nice German Twink was it your uncles house on Garibaldi Street ?
Jun 30th, 2010 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nope... But I went to school with his two sons.
Jun 30th, 2010 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Eichmann's wife and two children arrived in Argentina in mid-1952, and accompanied him to Tucuman. He registered his two children at a German school, known to promote anti-Semitic and pro-Nazi propoganda at the time, under the name Eichmann, suggesting again how the Argentine government aided and abetted former Nazis and their sympathizers
Jun 30th, 2010 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good school was it Think
Of course I am pulling your leg.... ......
Jun 30th, 2010 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We “Boys from Brazil” never went to school.
All required knowledge was genetically implanted on us at “Colonia Dignidad”.
And we need the Volklands and the other kleine Inseln as intermediate ventilation points for our secret tunnel to Neuschwabenland!
Makes good reading how the Argie's cozied up to nazi war criminals
Jun 30th, 2010 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/eichcap.html
“I'm unsure why you are bragging about the size of your territory, you are three times the size of the UK”
Jun 30th, 2010 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Correction Argentina (2.780.400 km2) is 11.4 times the size of UK (243.610 km2)
“UK makes four times the money you do per year”
Correction UK has a GDP 4 times the size of Argentina and have an external debt 100 times the size of the external debt of Argentina.
UK owes to the rest of the world close to 11 trillions dollars.
So the next 5 years without borrowing 1 dollar more your total balance sheet would be equal 0.
“Because thats the size of Britian. We had an empire. It covered a quater of the world. But the time for empires is over, We accept that.”
Correction your time of empire is over. Our is still on we still hold our empire from La Quiaca to Tierra del Fuego and surrender influence area like the Malvinas and expanding dynamically to other regions like Uruguay according with Liberty expert here. Equal to 2/3 of the size of the European Union
“The united kingdom is the only nation in the world to be in the European Union, a permanent member of the United Nations Security Council, a member of the Commonwealth of Nations, G8, G20, NATO, OECD and the World Trade Organization. “
Argentina is a member a founder of many world organization some of them are :
UN, OAS, MERCOSUR, UNASUR, CIN, IAEA, WTO, CAN, CAF, IMF, G-20, G-77, RG, ALADI, UL , BID, CFI, UNCTAD, ONUDI, OLADE, INTERPOL, OMS, UNESCO, OEI, ABINIA, OMPI, OMT, OACI, OMI, UIT, UPU, OMM...
“We also have a very close relationship with the worlds sole superpower, the US”
Yes you are their dog I know that.
“Britian has plenty influence in the modern world” where? What world?
“Power projection is a countries ability to repsond militarily anywhere in the world outside it's own borders.”
And if I have a missile able to reach your London that counts?
And if I have the power to switch of your entire communication system, that counts? Or is too modern for you?
Ok boys....... Now you may start discussing “”relevant” stuff with NicoDin again :-)
Jun 30th, 2010 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Enjoy
Nico. What's with your list, dumb boy?
Jun 30th, 2010 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looked 'em up. Some can't be determined so they are obviously organisations of Latin-American failures and are therefore unimportant.
“And if I have a missile able to reach your London that counts? BUT YOU DON'T. But we have one that will reach YOU.
And if I have the power to switch of your entire communication system, that counts? BUT YOU DON'T. Go for it. Or is too modern for you?” DO TRY TO STRUGGLE OUT OF THE 18TH CENTURY.
”Correction Argentina (2.780.400 km2) is 11.4 times the size of UK (243.610 km2)“
Jun 30th, 2010 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The point i was making is that it's irrelevant.
”Correction UK has a GDP 4 times the size of Argentina and have an external debt 100 times the size of the external debt of Argentina.“
Wrong. Argentin's debt is currently around 38% gdp. British debt is 43% gdp.
”Correction your time of empire is over. Our is still on“
To forge an empire you require a military force able to ”project force“. You couldn't even take an island a few hundred miles off your coast.
”Argentina is a member a founder of many world organization some of them are :“
Only two of those organisations are of any worth. I still don't get how you think the UK has no influence. The UK is one of the most influential nations in history. What language are you posting in? English.
”And if I have a missile able to reach your London that counts?
And if I have the power to switch of your entire communication system, that counts? Or is too modern for you?”
That doesn't even make sence. Go google power projection, you clearly don't understand.
(103) NicoDin
Jun 30th, 2010 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are just... too much....... :-)
Are these maybe the high technology weapons you are referring to ?
http://www.zamandayolculuk.com/cetinbal/htmldosya1/vriltechnology.htm
Remember your Chill Pill
most of these arguments are not based on facts, unless facts mean nothing, the British can not only prove these things but back them up, Argentina only listens to what they think is the truth, the facts are, if Argentina had any power or influence in the world, she would now be in charge of the Falklands, and a powerbase in the south Atlantic,
Jun 30th, 2010 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but in FACT Britain has the Falklands, and has the power to back this up, not even the whole of south America would dare do more than offer [talky-talky] to the argentines‘, as they know very well, that to offer anything else, or offer troops-planes-ships, they would lose the lot, and leave Argentina to powerful , and aggressive , and that makes you more of a danger to them, than you ever will be to the Falklands, lets face it, no one is coming to your aid, and the last fact is this,
you will never get the Falklands unless the people want you to,, and they don’t, so go home and read a book [what if by Argentina]??
so go home and read a book
Jun 30th, 2010 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nicotine can I suggest coping with loss,a self help book that deals with Falklands envy by Leopoldo Fortunato Galtieri
welcome to argentina the land of ??????????
Jun 30th, 2010 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and when we find an answer, we will let you know,
108 : Although they have SAID they would support Argentina. I recall one leader saying if it happened again Argentina would not be alone. It's just words. If it did kick off again, and Argentina started gaining allies then the UK's allies would no doubt become involed. And our allies have bigger toys :)
Jun 30th, 2010 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@zethe
Jul 01st, 2010 - 06:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The point i was making is that it's irrelevant”
Irrelevant? on the contrary shows the continuing decadence and decline of UK.
From a world power to a province of German/Franco’s Europe and the preferred pet of US.
“Wrong. Argentin's debt is currently around 38% gdp. British debt is 43% gdp.”
Wrong and here an economy lesson for newbies.
This is not your external debt else is your Public debt or Internal debt and officially is 68.9% now but with all liabilities (Not included by your govt. into the statistics) overpass 130% by now.
Public/Internal debt is the amount of money borrowed by your govt. denominated in local currency (Pounds) to for example Barclays bank, etc.
And the external debt is the amount of money denominated in foreigner currencies (US dollar, Yuan, Euro, Yens, pesos, etc) normally owed to external foreign lenders.
If you don’t pay to them they will crack your country like is happening to Greece now.
Last time cost to you your British Empire. Remember? Now may be they will want all the money back plus your blood.
“To forge an empire you require a military force able to ”project force“.
Again Islander mentality here.
Was the Roman an Empire? If you agree with that their power was almost projected trough mass land and forged by a powerful army.
So while you project your power overseas due to you are a little island (And everything is overseas for you) we don’t need that. Our power is over mass land. So in comparison we hold an empire of the size of Western Europe. This is our projection of power what would be useful for a country like Argentina to have a strong navy. To conquer a poor little Island in the North Sea and overcrowded like UK?
I use English due to your poor education I can go to USA and move in Spanish, in France, in Italy, Germany, etc.
You can't go to Paris without knowing French, you'll get something like va te faire enculé Anglais vive la France
You can't go to Paris without knowing French
Jul 01st, 2010 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thats not true Nicotine,been to euro disney,still got mickey mouse money,might go to Argentina to spend it,should get a cracking deal on the peso
Seems you are the only ones worried about our debt. We still have tripple A status(something i believe Argentina does not). We aren't defaulting on our debt(something Argentina is doing) because we have the means to pay it back, and i might add without even cutting that much. We can afford it.
Jul 01st, 2010 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0WW2 didn't bankrupt us NicoDin . WW1 did, WW2 Just made things worse. But as a nation we are always willing to back up our friends(We didn't have to get involved in ww2, hitler wanted an alliance with the UK).
Again Islander mentality here.“
Was the Roman an Empire? If you agree with that their power was almost projected trough mass land and forged by a powerful army”
I said military force, not navy you prat. You require a credible military force(army,navy) in order to forge an empire. You have a tin pot army that would barely be able to defend itself if anyone invaded.
“You can't go to Paris without knowing French, you'll get something like va te faire enculé Anglais vive la France”
Really? my Gandpairents live in paris. I go there twice a year. They also have a house in limouges. They've been living there for years and only just began to learn french. Infact, They spent most of their elderly lives traveling around the world in one of those big camper van things. English has suited them fine wherever they go. I don't speak french and i always find someone to speak english. English is the worlds international language, it's spoken everywhere., and taught everywhere.
@zethe
Jul 01st, 2010 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You defaulted you external debt several times I told you this before last was 1932 when you unilaterally restructured your external debt like Argentina did 2001(debt swap).
Doesn’t matter is you are willing to pay of if you have AAAAA++ else is the resources you have to face the credit burn. A downgrade will accelerate the process like Greece. So your govt. has to rise taxes whatever they can and make your economy grow especially in exports and for this you have to be competitive abroad and have something to export. Your pound still is over valued and you don’t have much to export. So you are in a big trouble mate to meet your payments needs. Until now you are surviving by borrowing abroad and next what? One day interest rates will go up or a new crisis start like the PIIGS and you are a dead duck.
About your French parent in Paris, Parisiennes hate English and the English language even in places for tourist waving the Brit flag as a sing of English available here.
Your conversation in English with the guy would be like.
zethe Hello!
Comment sa va moinsier?
zethe Do you speak English?
Oi moinsier
zethe And why are you answering me in French?
Parce que vous etes en la France Idiot!
And he was very polite haha
The same will happen to you in Northern Italy like in Milan, Turing, Bolsano, Bergamo, etc.
At least you find another desperate guy like you (may be an American) trying to work out how to survive in the land of the Gauls.
Entendés Inglés cabezón?
http://phillipsnottingham.blogspot.com/2007/08/why-french-hate-british.html
http://phillipsnottingham.blogspot.com/2007/08/why-french-hate-british.html
http://phillipsnottingham.blogspot.com/2007/08/why-french-hate-british.html
Still you didn’t explain to me how UK having such powerful Navy, Such great GDP, etc.
Is still a little poor Island? What your projection power is useful for? To fight Americans wars?
Don’t worry we will defend our territory as we always we have done.
Learn Spanish is becoming the most popular lang in the world
Don’t worry we will defend our territory as we always we have done.
Jul 01st, 2010 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Learn Spanish is becoming the most popular lang in the world
(me rindo ) was easy to pick up your troops said it a lot in the Falklands
Nico.
Jul 01st, 2010 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We aren't exporters. We have not been for a long time. The UK's main force of income, is finance. We pay our debts, History has shown this.
“Still you didn’t explain to me how UK having such powerful Navy, Such great GDP, etc.
Is still a little poor Island? What your projection power is useful for? To fight Americans wars?”
I don't need to explain it. It is what it is. We are the worlds 5th largest economy. Hardly poor. Our navy is strong because we know it is essentual to us. What is our power projection usefull for? Well it allowed us to controll a quater of the world. It allowed us to kick you back out the falklands. It allowed us to protect ourselves when the rest of europe failed in ww1 and 2. No hostile army has landed in the UK for about 400 years.
About your french comments. That just shows your personal frame of mind. I understand your nation does not mind racism. But over here in europe, we are civilized. The french are very welcoming to us, though every country does have a few racists. even the UK, and those people do often mention the french, but they are a small minority.
Spanish is not becoming the most popular lol. it's a native language. Like chinese. So as the population of spanish and china goes up. more people will speak it. It's a large, native language.
English, is a different matter entirely. It's not a large native language, it's a international language. Only about 300 million speak english as a first language. Over 1.5billion people speak it as a second language. with another billion people currently being taught around the world.
Most countrys around the world have english at school. Every international business man will tell you that english is required in the world. When, for example chinese and portugese business people meet, They speak in english. Flight controlls? english. 95% of all science documents are english. Medicen, computers. All done in english.
Funny but it seems no coincidence that the top number 1 destination for affluent families in Asia and Africa to send their kids to study is the UK or indeed why outside of Macau the one European language you encounter on a daily basis is uum English? And snippets of French, however yet to come across a Spanish and Mandarin road sign in Shanghai! So much for the rise of Spanish, another symptom of Nicotines Iberian supremacy traits no less?
Jul 01st, 2010 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0once again you argies are wrong wrong and wrong again on history
Jul 01st, 2010 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0first of the roman empire was based on conquest, so was the Spanish and French, and Egyptian Greek, Persia, i can go on, but the British was and never has been based on conquest, we was either dragged in, acquire by default, spoils of war, are taking over others who messed it up, and that includes the east India company, that’s why we returned most of the empire peacefully and today have a commonwealth, we may not be perfect, and we have made some bad mistakes, but we brought education, law and order, technology to the world, most of the worlds railways and bridges were build by the British, , as for power, the English had their own empire century’s before the British empire ever existed, we were a world power back in the 11th century and are a world power today, that’s over and near on a thousands years, no one can beat that, or ever will, we may be just an island, a lot smaller than you, but still a power, the only true democracy in the world, and the day the British disappear, and before you and the world can laugh, it will be replaced by an ever powerful nation, much smaller but even more destructive that the last, and this country will not take crap of anyone, its a warrior nation, been subdued for over 300 years in the united kingdom, just waiting to get out and wreck revenge on a world that does nothing but abuse it, no matter how much we give in aid help, what is this nation its called [England], THE WORLDS WHITE FLAG, WITH OUR BLOODY CROSS STAMPT ON IT, ????????????????????
Yeahhhh Man
Jul 01st, 2010 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Blood &Honour”
Heil from C18
Buenos Aires Chapter
Heil from C18
Jul 01st, 2010 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Buenos Aires Chapter
Garibaldi St
You have a sick fascination with Nazis ehhhh?
Jul 01st, 2010 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0think, my man you get worse.
Jul 01st, 2010 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why the [heil] don’t you know that this word is not only raciest but offensive to millions of people that died in two world wars, the British fought against this crap, and it was and is Argentina who gave them a safe house, you argies are the most pro Germans in the world, yes i am English, we have fun and good arguments online, but hiel Nazi is a bridge to far, [think, think]
118: Aye i agree. I forget the name of the country now. It's a really small one, in the backend of nowhere. But they had their airport closed for about 10 years. they reopened it about 2 years ago. And put signs up directing people to the newly reopened airport, the signs were in english.
Jul 02nd, 2010 - 02:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wasn't even an ex colony.
I never get why people go on about Chinese being most spoken language in the world. Maybie in china yeah. Not outside of china. My uncle goes there on business twice a year, he speaks it fluently. but they prefer to use english.
Apparently they are a bit weird, if you speak very good chinese they are less likely to trust you than if you didn't speak it or wasn't very good at it. He doesn't know why though, but most business men know about it.
@Zethe
Jul 02nd, 2010 - 05:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0I know very well Europe and may be better than you, so don’t please tell me that your are civilized because you are not. You are pretty salvages. In fact all form or racism, anti-Semitism, xenophobic nationalism, colonialism, fascism, Nazism expressions are made in Europe.
About the English stuff, do you remember the Francophonie stuff of Francois Mitterrand?
Arrogant little French thought like you and then they desired to refresh the old Franco speaking world.
They start to organize event, etc. with the frustrating outcome that the calculation of people speaking French was miscalculating.
You are doing the same, and I challenge you to name where all theses 1.5 billion English speaker are.
And don’t tell me that you are counting India because they don’t all speak English and they have 23 official languages the most spoken are the Indo-Aria languages representing around 1bn.
Hindi,Assamés,Bengalí,Bodo, Cachemiro,Canarés,Dogri,Guyaratí,Konkaní,Maithili, Malayalam
Manipurí, Maratí,Nepalí,Oriya,Punjabí,Sánscrito,Santalí, Sindhi,Tamil,Telugu,Urdu and English.
Languages English schools are everywhere that is true but also Spanish schools, French, German, etc.
American in US are learning Spanish to improve their skills and opportunities to find a better job in US.
More than 50m only Speak Spanish and not English in USA and in some estates the first language is Spanish.
I’m not saying that Spanish is more popular than English but is the 2nd western language more spoken in the world and the first language spoken in the Western Hemisphere.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_language#Geographic_distribution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_language#Geographic_distribution
And as you seem to miss the good old days here a little bit of Brit’s culture.
Nimbooda, Nimbooda lala very sticky!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_language#Geographic_distribution
M Jackson Hindi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_language#Geographic_distribution
NicoDIN - you have a good grasp of English ..... second language?
Jul 02nd, 2010 - 07:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are pretty salvages. In fact all form or racism, anti-Semitism, xenophobic nationalism, colonialism, fascism, Nazism expressions are made in Europe.
Jul 02nd, 2010 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0weird he can spell all the big hard words but not savages
think?
Nicodin.
Jul 02nd, 2010 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.andaman.org/BOOK/reprints/weber/rep-weber.htm
“You are doing the same, and I challenge you to name where all theses 1.5 billion English speaker are.”
Everywhere in the world. Go to any country in the world, and start speaking english, you'll find someone who understands you.
There are currently two billion people currently learning how to speak english. teaching english has become a milti billion pound industry.
I'm not making up the fact that english is the worlds first international language, this is fact.
But nico, i'm not putting down spanish. it's the worlds third most spoken language.
English:-
Native - 328 M
Total - 1800 M
Chinese -
Native - 845 M
Total - 1345 M
Spanish -
Native - 329 M
Total - 495M
http://www.andaman.org/BOOK/reprints/weber/rep-weber.htm
Hi NicoDummy. I want to take you back to comments 85 and 95. Certain points were raised for you to respond to. You haven't done so. As far as I'm concerned this means that you are rude or thick. Or probably both. Now see if you can rub your two braincells together, strike a light and try for an intelligent response. (Aside: Not much hope, but the twat has to be given the chance.)
Jul 02nd, 2010 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@zethe
Jul 02nd, 2010 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.howtolearnspanish.co.uk/global-importance-spanish.html
@harrier61
“rude or thick” if you think so is ok for me you can add savage, moron and stupid as well. But I said insults only in Spanish. You don't qualify.
Un abrazo amigo,
Spanish, to be honest is more likely to become an international language more than chinese is. Chinese is just a national language within a very large nation.
Jul 02nd, 2010 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But i doubt spanish will top English, Simply because people, in business science and all sorts of other fields speak english, so thats what people use.
I could be wrong ofcourse, but the language has achieved a domance in international affairs that i think will only have more people learn it.
Although it is quite arrogant of us to just expect everyone to learn it. It's the legacy of the empire.
@zethe
Jul 03rd, 2010 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course English is an important language (I never denied that) and it is far widely spoken than Spanish and has an especial relevance in technical usage especially like in IT and Electronics, aviation, etc.
But Spanish is starting to take more relevance on some of these fields. For example some years ago to be a programmer of something related to IT English was very important but not now. Even tough you see a lot of programs with interfaces in English their code have been made in the Spanish world. This is due that US is still the major consumer on this field. In the future the dominant language would be Spanglish.
So be prepared for the new Miami Spanglish world where you can’t recognize who is who. haha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jVyHCD3faU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jVyHCD3faU
Nos vemos mate
BTW
Sniff, Sniff the bloody Germans crashed us 4 - 0 I cannot believe it anyway I will bit my German Friend just to show him who is in charge. haha
I think you are a bit incorrect about the computers nico, english still is the lingua franca of computing. Almost all programming languages use english for keywords. A lot of english words have become milti language too, for example email. almost all programming languages are written in english. A perfect example of this is pascal(i think it was swedish?) and the english version became more wide spread. IT and WEB acronyms are all English. For example HTTP://(Hypertext transfer protocol secure ), FTP, USER, PASS, ect.
Jul 03rd, 2010 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All computer BIOS' Are english, that CTRL you have on your keyboard is short for an english word, Caps lock, alt. ect.
English is hasn't lost it's importance in IT. but like i've said in other posts. I'm not saying other languages aren't important either.
@zethe
Jul 05th, 2010 - 02:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Net or web have been replaced by red, FTP for Transferencia de Archivos, USER-> Usuario, PASS ->Clave, Site -> Sitio, etc.
Cpanel (the leading control panel for web hosting o alojamiento en español) has intefaces in many langs most used English and Spanish. Control is control in spanish, keyboars (teclados) are made in several ways including unique Spanish letters like ñ. Most common use word that may you don’t are aware of are spanish like Japanese care names, etc. Carmakers in the 80 have made marketing research and they found that Spanish names were more suitable for worldwide branding.
Adobe is a Spanish word (brand owned by MS now)
Bonanza, Corolla (Toyota), Carina, bizarre (come from bizarro), barracuda, banana, armada, Amigo, Amiga (use for computer brand), albino, contra, contras, control, Guerillas, Guerilla, bravo, etc.
English is a language made from several other mother languages, like Latin, French, Spanish, and others. Is original as Argentinean Spanish.
Do you remember what was your lang before the Romans?
I think was Gaelic mate the Romans were in Britan for almost 400 years and in Spain almost 600 years.
What I tray to explain to you is that control or Station (From stationem latin) are common world for Italian, French and Spanish. So control is not an English word is a Spanish word adopted by you.
Remember Latin, French and Spanish are older languages than English and most of your vocabulary (another Latin word) is full of Latin, French and Spanish words.
Es confuso, dificultoso él descubrir que él Inglés no es original.
Is confuse, difficult to discover that the English is not original.
Seem to look pretty much similar to Spanish your language have you noted that?
Do you know that the Army sent by the Romans were Spanish to Britain?
If you learn other Latin languages you will discover that there is nothing original in English.
SYL.
By your definition then we are all speaking roman. Don't be an idiot.
Jul 05th, 2010 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All languages were all derived from other, older languages. We aren't discussing 600 years ago, nico. Microsoft wasn't around then.
You take a subject about modern day languages and the internet, and compare them with the roman languages of 600 years ago? what drugs are you on?
Currently english dominates the computing world, this is fact. Google it. Anyone will tell you this.
FTP Means file transfer protocol.
Even if you dont personally speak english, if you own a PC. 95% of the time your computer speaks english, when your pc loads up windows, the OP is running in english, then translating the desktop to spanish for you. Next time you turn you pc on hit f1, Thats your BIOS. They're all english. It's the first thing your computer runs when it turns on.
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