MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Mrs. Kirchner does not challenge Cameron on Falklands; ‘issue belongs to UN’
Argentine president Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner met with PM David Cameron in the framework of G-20 events in Toronto, Canada, but avoided talking about the Falkland Islands sovereignty dispute, according to Argentine media sources. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesOops, looks like she bottled it!
Jun 28th, 2010 - 06:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yep, all mouth - no trousers......
Jun 28th, 2010 - 07:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0(1) Hoyt
Jun 28th, 2010 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0What did I say about warping time Hoyt?
A pity he didn’t get the chance of “britalize” her....... orally.
He was well prepared, we heard.
I think she just knew there would be no point bringing it up.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0I assume the Argentine president didn't want the ignominy of being told to get lost by a first world leader while hob knobbing at the G20 summit. Especially now she claims to have the support of the world’s largest tyranny on the topic.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentines don’t seem to get it. They are giving away free political capital to other nations. “Yes I support your claim to the Falklands – now what are you going to give me in return?” Heck I’m sure the UK would agree with their claim too if it gave us benefits in other areas. There’s nothing we can do about sovereignty when the islanders are totally opposed and there’s nothing the likes of China can or would do either. They’ve been unable to reclaim Taiwan just off their coastline – what are they going to do about the Falklands?
Christina is getting into bed with idiots and tyrannies just to bolster a futile claim. How long before she parades the support of Kim Jong Il and Robert Mugabe?
(4) and (5)
Jun 28th, 2010 - 09:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ohhh Yes...
She wanted it....
To be “britalized” by such an handsome young man?
C'mon mate!!!
Any Argie woman's oily dream.
But in our primitive catholic culture is the man that is supposed to take the initiative.
I guess She is our best man!
“We’re going to talk about things at the right place where they must be addressed. And the natural environment for Malvinas negotiations is the United Nations”
Jun 28th, 2010 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0So that means what exactly? The C-24 is over till next year and the General Assembly haven't wanted to look at the issue for over 20 years.
THIMC
Jun 28th, 2010 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0After nearly 2 weeks debating in this forum I have come to the conclusion that many of you believe that:
The Malvinas Basin can just be develop as we want, Argentina can do nothing and if they don’t want to cooperate we have other options like Chile, Uruguay or Brazil.
Well........as Mr.Beef, our resident oil and investment expert always says:
Do your own research!
(I include just a few links from an ”independent” source.)
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/06/23/argentine-congress-to-vote-bill-discriminating-companies-working-in-the-falklands
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/06/23/argentine-congress-to-vote-bill-discriminating-companies-working-in-the-falklands
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/06/23/argentine-congress-to-vote-bill-discriminating-companies-working-in-the-falklands
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/06/23/argentine-congress-to-vote-bill-discriminating-companies-working-in-the-falklands
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/06/23/argentine-congress-to-vote-bill-discriminating-companies-working-in-the-falklands
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/06/23/argentine-congress-to-vote-bill-discriminating-companies-working-in-the-falklands
As you can read, all four countries in the region are already cooperating in substantial oil projects.
It is improbable they would risk loosing an already existing business for the sake of some long shot project run by some small British oil companies.
As my Grandpapa used to say: “A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.”
Argentina’s political strategy is, of course, to make it economically unattractive for any of our neighbors to collaborate with anybody making business with Malvinas.
My honest conclusion as newly started amateur oil investment consultant is that Argentina can do plenty to upset the British development of the Malvinas Basin and that She is doing it.
A detail any potential investor should not be oblivious of.
And remember: Never invest more than you can afford to loose!
Think Oil Inc.
Still suffering from wind Think?
Jun 28th, 2010 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0And now a purveyor of Mercopress ............. the peopleless newspaper !
What you will probably find is that Argentina gets a slice of the pie from the emerging hydrocarbon industry in the Islands and this is probably the reason for all the rhetoric. Argentina can provide some form of service and get a payment. The tax and royaly requirements in the Islands are too favourable for the big oilies to ignore and Shell showed the initial interest in 1998. Would Argenina ban Shell from the county if they decided to buy out RKH, DES etc.? Very doubtful.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0You leadership are just playing hardball and some hush money along the way will be gratefully received byt any Argentine leadership.
CFK didn't bother raising the issue with DC becoause it would have been pointless and made her look weak in the run up to the 2011 election. It is for domestic consumption and after the election will all die down.
Then we can get on with real business as adults.
(10) Beef
Jun 28th, 2010 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0I know I cannot teach you anything about how the market works. You are 100 times better at it than I.
But I also know that you are letting your political views influence your economical analysis in here.
Of course we will not ban Shell to Hell.....
We are just making sure that our REGIONAL business proposition is more attractive than yours.
And.......
What is it with you Britons and those Boarding School fantasies?
So many of you got totally overexcited by the idea of Mrs. Kirchner being verbally spanked by the ” Robust Headmaster”.
That story was a “non starter” from the beginning.
Non falklands oil value= XX
Jun 28th, 2010 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Falklands oil value= XX - conflict effect
Conflict effect is at shareholders cost.
No, Argentina is conducting economic warfare attempting to isolate a small island community because it can't get its own way and is quite prepared to cut off its nose to spite its face.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina withdrew from the fishing accords and now endangers the long term future of its own fishing industry.
Argentina had the chance to share in the oil bonanza if there is one, it chose instead to tear up the agreement for short term domestic political gain and is now missing out.
Not convinced any company will see as an attractive prospect investing in a country that defaults repeatedly on its debts, requires backhanders at 15% to be kicked back to allow anything to happen and will seize assets on some oblique connection to the Falklands for domestic consumption.
What attractive “regional proposition”?
And as for your neighbours, they may mouth sympathetic platitudes about regional solidarity but if there is money to be made that will go out of the window. Too bad that the Falkland Islanders speak English, it makes it too easy to play the race card and don't pretend its anything less.
The news in 2020:
Jun 28th, 2010 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Christina De Kirchner was filmed attending the local Buenos Aires Zoo amid news that her presidency was coming to an end due to the mounting financial crisis that has led to the zoo being forced to close it's doors. In the ape house she was seen in intense discussion with the chimpanzees and concluded the meeting by handing over a much wanted banana to the starving primate in return for his support over the Malvinas issue.
Twinky is a “newly started amateur oil investment consultant”! Any qualifications? Doubtful. Best translation of “consultant” is “crook”. Follows in leaders' footsteps. Kirchners' personal wealth has multiplied 500% since they took power. In your first question about South America, identify the person known as 'Kickback' Kirchner.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Conflict effect”! What is this? In your examination on “World Affairs” the first question is “Identify a region of the world with extensive oil reserves and continuing conflicts. Describe negative effects of the conflicts. Describe actions taken by industrial nations to ensure supplies.”
(9) Hoyt
Jun 28th, 2010 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not so people-less.
I got 2 comments erased by the Editor because they were in German.
Can you believe it!
And then I reported some of Domingo’s ”spitefulnesses” and they got erased too.
Somebody is out there!
Question is:..... Who?
And then I reported some of Domingo’s ”spitefulnesses
Jun 28th, 2010 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think the Grass
”Rude or foul language, discriminative comments (based on ethnicity, religion, gender, nationality, sexual orientation or the sort) or any other offensive or inappropriate behaviour will not be tolerated by Think. ”
Jun 28th, 2010 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0MercoPress appears to be a little discourteous. The headline should either be, “Mrs. Kirchner does not challenge Mr. Cameron on Falklands; ‘issue belongs to UN’”
Jun 28th, 2010 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OR
“Kirchner does not challenge Cameron on Falklands; ‘issue belongs to UN’”
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Jun 28th, 2010 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I feel you have an uphill battle Think - just look at this idiot Arge Ntina!
Jun 28th, 2010 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Says Argentina's got a lot of land but apparently he wants South Africa too.
I'm sure there are some bright people amongst the population of Argentina, but they are not well represented her ..... of course we also have a few problems in the same vein but in this area I do feel Argentina is 'better' than us :-)
(21) Hoyt
Jun 28th, 2010 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Judging solely the by my “experience” in here.
We are better and bigger on neat, untainted primal unawareness. Indeed. :-(
But you people are astonishingly good when it comes to obsessive neurotic ethnocentric lack of knowledge. :-(
Even the intelligent ones!
ethnocentric?
Jun 28th, 2010 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stop with the modesty twink,that is Argentine as Beef and Tango
http://linkage.rockefeller.edu/wli/reading/argentina.html
(23)
Jun 28th, 2010 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0See what I mean Hoyt?
This “tabloid readers” can’t even discern between:
“Ethnocentric” and “Egocentric”.
How very annoying!
I don't undestand why Argentina keeps having any kind of relation with the enemy, doesn't Argentina see that UK has tens of thosands natives in Canada fighting for their land and the Queen ignores them, but when they want to steal more land with their 2000 white colonists they use any lie or fake reason, if the UK really means to fight for people right to the land why not give the land back to the natives in Canada ? this is how we all know UN is a UK puppet, racisnm is still alive and ticking in Canada, USA and UK.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds like a Argie trait
Jun 28th, 2010 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ethnocentric
The british embassy in Argebtina should go home and all the brits in Argenine should be removed before they claim ownership of Argentina, british national are a threat to Argentina the land and belongings, britsih people are as gipsys and pirats who live of theft, I think we should all take back from them and get them out of our continent.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0↑↑ In Patagonia, we have a saying: ↑↑
Jun 28th, 2010 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some folks are like flies......
They bother people...
And they eat sh**.
Gas Is it Argebtina, Argenine or Argentina?
Jun 28th, 2010 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0唖 胃 運 円 化 襖 煙
Jun 28th, 2010 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0曳 域 允 異 印 云
avargas goes on a lot about natives in Canada, although on another article he says he is in America. Wherever that is. Not a mention of Amerindians. But in Canada, the aboriginal people don't amount to tens of thousands, there are hundreds of thousands. Unlike the Spanish (Argentines), Britain didn't find it necessary to indulge in genocide.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are currently over 600 recognized First Nations governments or bands encompassing 1,172,790 2006 peoples spread across Canada with distinctive Aboriginal cultures, languages, art, and music. Wonder what the situation is like in Argentina?
Now, as for his rabid ramblings at 27, I doubt whether anybody would mind if the British Embassy closed its doors. Must be a thankless post, surrounded by psychotic lunatics. As for Britons leaving, that's sort of up to them. Are British nationals a threat to Argentina? Well, yes, in a way. If Argentines stick their noses, or any other parts of their anatomies, into or onto British territory, the results could be awful. In 1918, Germany was left with its country, its industry, its infrastructure. Not having learned a lesson, in 1945, Germany was destroyed. Argentina had one little try in 1982 and got its knuckles rapped. Surely, if there's a next time, the point will have to be made more forcibly. As far as wanting the territory called Argentina? Have to get rid of the dagos first. But then Britain could cede all disputed territories to Chile, Paraguay and Uruguay. As long as there's enough room left for the sheep.
harrier: I think he's a little on the simple side. He still thinks that the UK is in charge of canada, and the queen runs the UK.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He's also going on about the natives of Canada when his nation was colonised the same way the rest of america was, with the colonists taking over the native population.
I agree with your point that if Argentina does have another go, then a more forcefull approach would be warrented, something to remind them to leave the islanders be.
britain can't give away what doesn't belong to them, This is the current problems in the Canadian government dispute with natives now days, the private industry polluting and in many cases violating the terms of the agreements and the local government courts stuck dealing with corrupt disputes based on gloomy treattyes, at the expence of tax payers, I dodn't see UN coming to deffend their case against the irradication of their class and their people from the land, how come brits are soo concerned with the fakland, is it because it's a white colony ? if not why not give back the land to the natives in Canada since according to you they are 1,172,790 in 2006 ? I mean this is after all 100's of time more then the 3000 colonists, aren't the natives in Canada considered people by the british ?? we can all say what we want, but it will not bring britain any closer to Malvinas, if anything it will bring America to unite, the occupation of falkland is illegal and the brits know this, if they are brits they should go home to britain.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh my good god, Can you not read? I'll explain this is capital letters.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0THE UK DOES NOT AND HAS NOT HAD ANY POWER OVER CANADA FOR A VERY LONG TIME, THEY ARE AN INDEPENDANT NATION.
To answer one question, yes. I personally and most people in england would consdder natives people, and entitled to human rights. However, as i've pointed out twice now. We do not run canada, canada's problems are none of our business. Because - We do not govern canada. They have their own government, with a leader who leads the country.
Britian cares about the islanders because they are British citizens. And they have more of a right to live there than anyone, they've lived there for a longer period of time than anyone in the history of mankind.
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Jun 28th, 2010 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0JustinKuntz
Jun 28th, 2010 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A nutter calling himself avargas2001 has just been blocked indefinitely on wikipedia for racist abuse and vandalising Falklands articles. Looks like the same guy.
Think
We blocked him long ago....
Just fun see you guys discussing with him....
More or less same level though...
@Think: “& then I reported some of Domingo’s ”spitefulnesses” & they got erased too”
Jun 28th, 2010 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL. Aww, soz Think, I think I dinked you pink. And to think Think, you instructed me to state Argentine crimes against humanity in Rioplatense Spanish & when I indulge you, you report it as abuse for not posting in English on an English board
How ungrateful! It took me at least 2 minutes effort. Just for you. Especially for you
Doh!
Ok, on to the a comment on this article:
Before talking about taking her spurious complaints to the UN, President Kirchner needs to study Human Rights and her UN obligations to uphold them for all peoples, even for foreign ethnic groups like the Islanders according to the UN Charter and Resolution 1514(XV) that Argentina voted for to apply to the Falklands.
She should inform herself that human rights are imprescritible, irreproachable & inviolate
She should comprehend that her actions in office & those of her government and congressmen to portray the Islanders as a non-people as a pretext to abuse their human rights is a crime against humanity, for which she & her government are indictable at the ICC along with those who are complicit in promoting this odious falsehood.
Her government's public incitement of popular bigotry to gain support for their territorial colonialist expansion policy in the South Atlantic first begun by the neo-fascist military juntas of Argentinain during World War II must cease, as must the repressive measures of all kinds directed against the Islanders by Argentina & her allies.
Kirchner to LISTEN to the Islanders, whose message is simple and unequivocal: The Islanders are a distinct community with their own identity and separate Government. The Islanders have the right to self determination, the right to decide their own future, unhindered by any interference from any other government; and their expressed, democratic wish is to remain British
It is time the Argentine Government accepted that
Shame on Kirchner!
Lmao, importing entire conversations now are we?
Jun 28th, 2010 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Re avargas. They shouldn't do that! The guy's not well, he's ill, he's mental. He needs care, treatment, euthanasia.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Resolution 1514 is general legislation for general and ordinary colonial situations. Malvinas is an special colonial situation with special resolutions. I bet you can find them.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Especial legislation is derogarory for general legislation.
Bennys are british subjects, so they can´t act as judges between Argentina and UK.
Resolution 1514 is useless in Malvinas case, look for the correct resolutions if you want a solution for the dispute.
@BillyHayes: That's just Argentine propaganda. 1514(XV) stands independently of Argentina's spurious and criminal attempt to protray the Islanders as a non-people.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Billy, I think if you check your facts you'll find Argentina voted for resolution 1514(XV) to apply to the case of the Falklands. Oops! Your wrong again, silly Billy!
I found resolution 2065(XX) which confirms: ”resolution 1514(XV) covers the case of the Falklands” & requires AR & UK to resolve their sovereignty dispute peacefully and the bear in mind that the UN Charter resolution 1514(xv) removes all sovereignty rights from both Argentina & UK & requires that:
“All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.
5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.
Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and their territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.
All States shall observe faithfully and strictly the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the present Declaration on the basis of equality, non-interference in the internal affairs of all States, and respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity.”
For the Islanders, the right to self determination is absolute & their
“expressed, democratic wish is to remain British. ”
Resolution 1514 is useless in Malvinas case, look for the correct resolutions if you want a solution for the dispute
Jun 28th, 2010 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No it is you that wants a solution,the islanders are quite content with the status quo
Hey islanders, England is out of the world cup, join your real team(Argentina) and lets celebrate in Stanley and Buenos Aires.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hey “think” are you the racist who wanted Matilde Malvinas Vernet to be deleted ?? why ? because she is a wetback or because she is the owner of the land your colony of pirat stole ?? Why doesn't britain care for the natives rights to the land in Canada ? is it because they are wetbacks ? I think the colony should look how britain treats natives once they are in, I will be the first one to come here and lought at them and their missery, I know for a fact that BP will not let me down, it's just matter of time..
Jun 28th, 2010 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(40) (41)
Jun 28th, 2010 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting......
A Turk (Billy) and a Chinese (Domingo) Discussing Malvinas on an British server!
Long Live IP adresses.....
@Marco: Fancy a game of rugby? League or Union, I don't mind... ;-D
Jun 28th, 2010 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0since the brits think they can take our land, I think we should fill up with gas and never pay them for it, I invite you all to get free gas from the station near you and take it as a gift from all Argentines to the rest of the world, the british colonysts can stay as long as I get FREE gas.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Think: don't be a twerp, get a life/ You're having a laff. Chinese??? What next, challenge me to transliterate my thoughts to pinyin....!!!!
Jun 28th, 2010 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well that's the last of your credibility used up Think. Trying to somehow trace my nationality by looking at IP addresses. I hope your not abusing your position in your job, you could lose it for that Think.
Still, pretty much as spurious as Argentina's false claim to exercise sovereignty over the Falklands. Oh dear. What a 42 caret plonker you are, Think. Can I have a large chips with that too, Think?
Think again Twink, or you might be dinked pink again!
Shame on Argentina!
In Malvinas case Res.2065 is the path to achieve 1514 goal: decolonization.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bennies never expressed they want to be british; they never expressed that because they are british from the very beggining of this history. They are the people that came with british ocupation; and their endogamic situation is a political tool to avoid any “toxic” opinion contrary to London masters.
Bennies can´t oppose their will to Argentina simply because they are subjects of one of the parts of the conflict, they are not an impartial third, they are not a subjugated people, they are the people that subjugated Argentina´s right over Malvinas.
Turkey =1
Jun 28th, 2010 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PRC = 0
@Billy: Glad you agree with me that: “Res.2065 is the path to achieve 1514 goal: decolonization”; that is precisely what I said. Of course, Argentina is defying the UN General Assembly by opposing resolution 1514(XV) & 2065(XX). Not to mention its 1982 war, which was a violent attempt to annex the Islanders home by force & far more firmly broke the intent of the UN Charter & resolution 1514(XV) & 2065(XX) than anything the British or Islanders did.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shame on Argentina!
Au contraire, the islanders have expressed they want to be British, I refer you to Mercopress's fine & most recent report thus:
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/06/17/argentina-must-accept-falklands-people-wish-to-remain-british
Shame on Argentina!
The Islanders can oppose Argentina as much as they wish, that is their democratic expression of their free will. Argentina exercises no sovereignty on the Falklands and has no say whatsoever in what the Islanders may think, say or do. Sadly Argentina seeks to repress their free will and violate their imprescriptible human rights.
Shame on Argentina, silly Billy.
Still 1-0 to Turkey.....
Jun 28th, 2010 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The chines player sees the yellow card!...
Domingo=10
Jun 28th, 2010 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think =bugger all
Relax comrade
Jun 28th, 2010 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Remember your BP
Thank GOD we liberated the island in 1982, and we will do it again as soon as we get a chance, I would imagine the brits will never sleep untill we give up and we won't, soo spend a lot of money to protect the island witch is good for the world economy, maybe when all the oil is found we can start sinking all of them to the bottom of the sea, there is no sence in starting now, the effects will be minimum and it might not get the worlds attention, but if we let them build their own grave we can nudge them into the hole, we will sale a lot of meat when the fishing industry goes belly up, win win situation for us, it's seems like the british don't understand any other way.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0El retorno del loco de Mississauga!
Jun 28th, 2010 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0avargas2001: Goodluck, you'll need it.
Jun 28th, 2010 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your navy, airforce and navy is in a worse state than it was in 82.
Ours has all new equipment, not to mention all of our troops have seen action, they are all experenced and better trained. Your armed forces are awfull. You have no chance.
@avargas2001: “Thank GOD we liberated the island in 1982, and we will do it again as soon as we get a chance”
Jun 28th, 2010 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina did not “liberate” the Falklands in 1982, the British did from the criminal Argentine occupation, when Argentina attempted to impose a murderous foreign dictatorship, a foreign social structure and foreign economic control on the Islanders against their democratic wish by use of violence and coercion, not least putting guns to the Islanders heads and their wives and children if they did no genuflect themselves to their Argentine oppressors and submit to the subjugation of their free will and Argentine colonial annexation of their homeland.
Luckily Argentina exercises no sovereignty on the Falkland Islands and are free to say, do & think whatever they wish, thanks to the British defeating the Argentine forces in accordance with the UN Charter, Article 51, UN Security Council Resolution 502 & UN General Assembly Resolution 1514(XV).
Shame on Argentina!
I struggle to identify which is the most deranged, silly Billy or avarGAS.
Jun 29th, 2010 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm beginning to have some sympathy for Argentina if it's full of such fools.
But then again, why worry .... nothing has changed and it sure doesn't look like it's going to :-)
@ JustinKuntz
Jun 29th, 2010 - 01:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is your point of view as Islander understandable but with a strange sense of size magnitude and reality.
Here the reversing of your point:
The islanders are punting in danger themselves and risking their economy future by it silly position and the arbitrary measures taking far away in London.
Islanders are loosing a lot of business opportunities and tax revenues by not doing business with Argentina by keeping an unsustainable position with a remote colonialist power 8000 miles away.
Islanders are loosing a 40 million natural market for their products and federal Argentina tax money to develop their local economy.
In business terms you are making a bad decision.
Our multinational oil companies and suppliers are extracting oil and selling goods as usual in Colombia, Malaysia, Middle East, China, etc.
Change the names of the involved parties in the tale and from this example even your neighbor in the Island will tell you that the little Island is losing more than the other x country.
Anyone can tell you that.
So wannabe British is very expensive on this days. Don’t you think so?
@harrier61
This will never happen because we have defeated your army several times in history.
If you are so confident about your army why because you with a lot of luck won once.
Could be you last stupid mistake ever in your losing war history a lot of wars but few won.
And stop to say that you have beaten the Germans in WW1 WWII this is another lie was a coalition made by Russia, US, UK, France, Turkey, Australia, Canada, etc. UK would never won against powerful Germany.
Nicodin,
Jun 29th, 2010 - 02:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry- Britain has lost several battles - but for loosing a war I think you will have to go back to 1776 and American Independence. WW2 we would have won in time, just that with USA help it was a year or two quicker. Britain has a good habit of winning the important battles - the final ones.
London - sorry we do not take orders from them. trade with Argentia - no problem - we have no bans on trade with you - but you certainly do with us!
Dont quite see Arg as a natural market for our main products do you? We produce wool, meat and fish - I recall you also export that! And I admit your beef is better than ours!
Economic Islolation? K. tried that with the Spanish Fishing Companies - have yet to see a single one leave here. Oil - well first of we have to find if we really have it in profitable exploitable quantities - and we are not there yet! If we do get there then I suggest the ball game changes a bit - economic logic may end up taking over from political fantasies- and that in the long term could benefit both of us.
Football - I agree your is far the better team! Just as well England went down to Germany - you would have reminded us for years if they ended up going down to Arg in the 1/4 finals! My call is for an Arg-Brazil final.
As for CK and DC - it was clear, she was tipped off in advance that she would get a dusty answer - so sensible thing is talk about the main issue you are actually really there for. Well done both sides.
Oops, forgot to include NicoDIN in my last post .... truly a brick short of a load that one............ wierd perception of history too. I believe that we had a slight dust up with Argentina in 1883 and recaptured our islands, and then we (lucky or otherwise) hammered them in 1982. Before 1816? Well we were fighting the Spanish then.
Jun 29th, 2010 - 03:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Didn't get to run the biggest empire the world has ever known by losing too many wars!
MercoPress, You should incorporate the “I like” button here, there are some good comments that desserve it!!!
Jun 29th, 2010 - 04:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0and a eject button for you
Jun 29th, 2010 - 05:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0A “not original” button for you too!!!
Jun 29th, 2010 - 06:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0At least you could put your name, little man!
“If you are so confident about your army why because you with a lot of luck won once.”
Jun 29th, 2010 - 07:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your bloated confidence in your armed forces is funny.
You have a third world tin pot army, with equipment older than anyone alive. The british army is a professional, experenced fighting force.
Whever there is a crysis, where does the UN go when it needs a force to get the job done? They go to the US and the UK.
(66) Zethe
Jun 29th, 2010 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your constant focus on war and killing are just not “my cup of tea” but.........
You, “war mongerers” in here keep repeating that the invasion of Iraq was approved by the UN.
This is simply not truth:
”The United Nations secretary general, Kofi Annan, declared explicitly for the first time last night that the US-led war on Iraq was illegal.
Mr Annan said that the invasion was not sanctioned by the UN security council or in accordance with the UN's founding charter.
In an interview with the BBC World Service broadcast last night, he was asked outright if the war was illegal. He replied: “Yes, if you wish.”
He then added unequivocally: “I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN charter.
From our point of view and from the charter point of view it was illegal.”
Complete article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/16/iraq.iraq/print
How in earth can anyone “misinterpret” the above text!
Actually, we had this discussion a few weeks back, and i agree with you. The iraq war was wrong.
Jun 29th, 2010 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0I never said the inital invasion was approved by the UN. I said it was a UN mission, which it is.
But the UN does still look towards the UK or US in a crysis.
Well then.......
Jun 29th, 2010 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why not try to think a little bit “out of the box” then and look at actual facts instead of “cherry picked anecdotes” from “times gone by” chosen for you by the “independent” press to “inform” you about us Argies.
For example:
We have reduced our armed forces from +130.000 to -38.000 in the last few years.
Why?
We have annulled civil enlistment and cut our “Ofense” budget in any possible and impossible way.
Why?
We have the best relation with our regional neighbours since 1810.
Why?
In the year 2001 Argentina was practically a bankrupt “Non Republic” on the verge of collaps.
Today; 9 years after, looking at any economical / social or political indicator, things are amazingly better.
Why?
PS:
I don't think you will “learn” anything in here discussing with disturbed individuals like “Avargas & Co.”
Let your own deranged chaps like “Harrier 61 ”have that dubious fun......
60 Nicodin “And stop to say that you have beaten the Germans in WW1 WWII this is another lie was a coalition made by Russia, US, UK, France, Turkey, Australia, Canada, etc. UK would never won against powerful Germany. ”
Jun 29th, 2010 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nicodin you really should read a little more history before you make comments about historic events.
During WW1, Turkey fought on the side of Germany and the other central powers, against the UK and the other Entente powers.
In WW2 Turkey was neutral and didn't take sides in the war at all.
I luuuuv how this journalist avoids by any means to mention the ”A” word!
Jun 29th, 2010 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2010/06/28/soccer-first-played-by-the-guarani-paraguay-according-to-the-vatican#comments
He chooses to write:
Soccer was born ....in San Ignacio Miní during the XVII century, in a region now identified as Misiones to the south of Paraguay’s capital Asunción.
He should have written:
Soccer was born ....in San Ignacio Miní during the XVII century, in a region now identified as the province of Misiones, to the north of Argentina’s capital Buenos Aires.
What about this one!:
Rugby was born ....in Rugby School during the XIX century, in a region now identified as Warwickshire, to the northwest of Frances’s capital, Paris.
Anyhow..... the rest of the article is just useless Catholic South-American Judeo-Communist racist brainwash.
Everybody knows that it was the Chinese who invented Football.
Think - you have minus 38,000 troops ... wow, how does that work :-)
Jun 29th, 2010 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We have the best relation with our regional neighbours since 1810.” - WOW, THAT GOOD !
Well all that could turn to be quite irrelevant if this guy is half right !!
Jun 29th, 2010 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6593#comment-648967
Comments?
I've found people are less likely to engage in conversation with spammers, think.
Jun 29th, 2010 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(74) Zethe
Jun 29th, 2010 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well your short flirt with rationality seems to be over again.
Instead of concentrating on real, actual issues you focus on petty details.
Was it not you that corrected me for a typing error long ago?
Have you read your own texts?
My fault to overestimate you.
Nope, i've never corrected you on spelling mistakes.
Jun 29th, 2010 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps your memory is faulty?
60 Nico. “This will never happen because we have defeated your army several times in history.” Go on then. Name them.
Jun 29th, 2010 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“And stop to say that you have beaten the Germans in WW1 WWII this is another lie was a coalition made by Russia, US, UK, France, Turkey, Australia, Canada, etc. UK would never won against powerful Germany.”
WW1. British Empire (included Australia and Canada), Russia pulled out a year before it ended. US didn't join in until a year before it ended. Turkey (part of the Ottoman Empire) was on the same side as Germany. WW2. Britain and the Commonwealth (included Australia and Canada). USSR and US didn't take part until 2 years after war started. France was occupied. Turkey was neutral. By the time the Russians and Americans joined in, Britain had absorbed the first shock, won the Battle of Britain and most of the North African Campaign. The tide had turned. US possibly made the war a year or so shorter.
65 jorge. Personalities again. Sign of a small mind with nothing to say.
67 Twinky. Why do you bring up the Iraq war? No-one else on this thread has done so. And it is a mistake to bring up the tax dodgers of The Guardian.
69 Twinky again. To cover your questions. You have reduced the size of your armed forces for three likely reasons:- (a) you don't have enough useful equipment, (b) your people don't want to be conscripted anymore and (c) after '82, you looked around and realised that, even with a sneak attack, there really wasn't ANYONE you could beat.
Best relations with neighbours since 1810? Well, not really. See, despite your recent “bicentennial” the Republic of Argentina didn't really exist until 1853. Celebrations a bit premature?
And your GDP is a little better.But it's still only about 25% of the UK's. This may be amazingly better from your perspective but let us not forget http://en.mercopress.com/2010/06/24/a-majority-of-latinamerican-children-63-live-in-poverty-conditions-claims-un
(76)
Jun 29th, 2010 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just checked..
It was stick up your junta..
My mistake....
No problem.
Jun 29th, 2010 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you want people to stop focusing on petty details you might try not spamming the same thing in every thread. Personally, i have a tendancy to ignore spam.
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Jun 29th, 2010 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spam is spam from whoever it comes from. Spam is when someone sends bulk messages indiscriminately. That can be on one topic or many. If you went on most normal forums and started 25 threads all with the same message, you would be banned for spamming.
Jun 29th, 2010 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reach different people? Everyone on here, reads all the topics.
What about concentrating on the issues kid
Jun 29th, 2010 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I must admit you are atotal bore..
I leave you with your Jane's Defense Weekly
Have fun calculating how to kill most people most effectively...
Have Fun
Touchy, touchy.
Jun 29th, 2010 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Personally i could care less what you do, just pointing out the fact that people are more likely to judge you an idiot and ignore you if you spam.
As for the issue at hand, i've posted i believe in other topics about some of it. The oil thread you posted is totally unintresting, The company is more of an american company currently than it is a british one.
Think, think again Think! I just think Think that repeated false claims about inapplicability of resolution 151(XV) to Islanders must be firmly rebuffed, as these Argentine claims are criminal & false, based on the Argentine policy to dehumanise & scapegoat the Islanders to abuse their irreproachable, imprescriptible, inviolate human rights.
Jun 29th, 2010 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Watch your blood pressure, Think, or I might dink you pink zinc mink Think,whadya bink think Think?
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Jun 29th, 2010 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are also blessed with a bad case of repetition ;-)
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Jun 30th, 2010 - 03:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think. This is quite embarrasing.
Jun 30th, 2010 - 04:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2010/06/26/timnerman-underlines-beijing-s-support-in-un-falklands-presentation
You missed a thread.
If you're going to spam, atleast do it right.
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Jun 30th, 2010 - 08:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0anyone see the game last night
Jun 30th, 2010 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Comment removed by the editor”
Jun 30th, 2010 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0That oil link is not exactly what many people want to see propagating.....
No surprises here....
Next they will close my account ?
Who knows...
They might be sick of the spam.
Jun 30th, 2010 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do hope so. We can do without your quasi-intelligent interjections. Same goes for a few others. Like jorge!, NicoDin, Billy Hayes, axel arg.
Jun 30th, 2010 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For heaven's sake, dont let those Argie dead-heads get anywhere near salem-news, the just might think they're in heaven!!!
Jul 01st, 2010 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0think, why are your comments being removed, not a naughty boy i hope
Jul 01st, 2010 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, returning to the subject of the article, Kirchner will get the same answer from Mr Cameron whenever or wherever she chooses to raise it.
Jul 02nd, 2010 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0& Nico, it's been 4 days since I put some points to you. Still scrabbling through those pamphlets that Argentines call textbooks are you? 245 years and it's still the same story, 1 Brit = 10 Argentines.
now thats being very kind [96]
Jul 02nd, 2010 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0perhaps 1 brit= 15 Argentines,
1 german = 11 argies :-)
Jul 03rd, 2010 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0England and germany V south america,
Jul 03rd, 2010 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i million.........................zero
nothing ever changes
We will always have Polo...
Jul 04th, 2010 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.worldpolotour.com/ranking.php
Only if it's a mint with a hole in it!!!!
Jul 04th, 2010 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hoyt...
Jul 04th, 2010 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should copyright your comments!
Even a turnip can see their quality :-)
Unlike yours, Twinky.
Jul 04th, 2010 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still gonna check you out on Wikipedia to make everyone aware of your propagandist approach.
The future is already written, welcome to star wars [Great britain] of the future, Goodby to the past argentina still living in caves, with a polo
Jul 04th, 2010 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0with just a hint of mint flavour,?
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