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Three out of ten Argentine urban households, victims of crimes in 2009
Three out of ten Argentine households have been a victim of crime in 2009, according to the latest poll from the Argentine Catholic University, UCA, published Sunday in the Buenos Aires daily Clarin. Read full article
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Jul 05th, 2010 - 05:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Clarin lies ? And what would be your evidence for that then Billy ... 'cos you don't like what they're saying?
Jul 05th, 2010 - 06:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0#2. precisely so! I mentioned elsewhere in this forum several days ago about personal / my wife's experiences very recently. You are not safe anywhere anymore. You do not carry your cards in your wallet when you go out, and certainly no more than maybe 500ARS in cash. Since the last 2 break ins at my (semi rural) home, I have a Rottweiler addition to the German shepherd....at what price peace of mind whilst away on my travels....what do you do when your distraught beloved calls you at 4 in the morning (wherever I am) to tell you she was threatened and robbed in a packed bus of travellers on their way to work... and nobody helped, nobody said a word...what a society!
Jul 05th, 2010 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Clarin lies ? If so, maybe it is closer to 4 out of 10 instead of 3 out of 10?
Jul 05th, 2010 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Billy is rigth! Clarin lies all the time! It is on a campaign against the government because it will lose its monopoly on the media. If you want to know the truth about Clarin, just google “Ernestina Herrera de Noble”, “Hector Magnetto”, “papel prensa” and “monopolio Clarin”.
Jul 05th, 2010 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only blind sick anti-Kirchner people agree with Clarin!!!
just google “Ernestina Herrera de Noble”, “Hector Magnetto”, “papel prensa” and “monopolio Clarin”.
Jul 05th, 2010 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0thats easy for you to say
Jorge - Only blind sick anti-Kirchner people agree with Clarin??
Jul 05th, 2010 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am not blind and I do not read the Clarin, but I am totally anti-Kirchner, as any thinking person should be!
Jerry, you are not a thinking person, that's your mistake!
Jul 05th, 2010 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know if you live here, if you do, give me your reason to be anti-Kirchners. If you don't live here, then you don't know anything!
Where is “here”? This article is about crime in Argentina, and it states that crime keeps escalating. What is K doing about it? Apparently nothing!
Jul 05th, 2010 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course the Botox Queen and Mr Kickback is doing nothing about it. Argentines are notably subject to anxiety. Keep 'em anxious and desperate to cling to any possibility of hope. Then manipulate as you wish. Poor Argentines. What you need is a British government. We could send you the Labour Party.
Jul 05th, 2010 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only an ironic idiot like HARRIER or some other with him with a short mind, could believe in apoll from the uca, wich is manipulated by the interests of the most orthodox sectors from te society, i mean the church, the uca is much less reliable than our indec.
Jul 05th, 2010 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway no one can deny that people suffers aften delicuence cases, but the reality of my country, is not the manipulated information that we see on tv everyday, that' s why it's allways important to get information from those chanels that are against the government, and those that support it, finally, we must get our conclutions.
axel arg - How could anyone make sense of any such asinine statements? Does anybody understand what axel is trying (without much success) to say?
Jul 06th, 2010 - 04:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Discrimination I call it .... why can't the other 7 have some crime too .... it's not fair!
Jul 06th, 2010 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0I moved back to the USA after several of my neighbors had commando type raids on their houses. At night 5-6+ thieves surround all the entrances to your house to block escape then hold you hostage until they get everything they want. It is very common in the northern suburbs.
Jul 06th, 2010 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was also mugged and cut while having lunch in a full outdoor cafe in front of Recoleta Cemetery! 3 guys tried to steal my watch and it took the police 45 minutes to respond even though they are posted on every corner in that part of town. That is how I know they were involved.
That was the last time I was in the country it a mess and getting worse.
Man!!!
Jul 06th, 2010 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And then you moved to Washington D.C.?
Maybe even East-D.C.?
You are either a masochist or not the sharpest knife in the drawer mate!
There is no such thing as East DC and I feel much safer here than I ever did in BA.
Jul 06th, 2010 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Happy for you.....
Jul 06th, 2010 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tell me ... about Recoleta ....Was it a Submariner or a Sea Dweller you where wearing?
You know your people! After it happened everyone said, well you really shouldn't be wearing that watch. Like, what did you expect of course it will be stolen. So don't blame the thieves it was your fault for wearing it.
Jul 06th, 2010 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 011 alex. Hi dimwit.
Jul 06th, 2010 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you go back and read carefully, (you may have to spell the words out letter by letter) you will find that I didn't mention the UCA once.
On the other hand, I haven't noticed you answering my reasonable questions about the UBA (that you like to quote).
So here we go again.
(1) Who funds the UBA?
(2) How many faculty members are there? (That's academic staff)
(3) How many publicly criticise policies and actions of the Argentine government?
This is at least the third time I have asked. I'm going to continue asking every time you pop up.
(18) Fredbdc
Jul 06th, 2010 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
“You know your people!
After it happened everyone said, well you really shouldn't be wearing that watch
So don't blame the thieves it was your fault for wearing it”
I Say:
It’s not MY PEOPLE...It’s YOUR PEOPLE saying that..
The CIA’s “World Fact Book” gives that recommendation!!!
And it applies for over 110 countries in the World (increasing hastily)
Anyhow.... You sound like a Submariner kind of guy..... :-(
Never had any problem with my old Portuguese though.....
JERRY:
Jul 06th, 2010 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fact that we think diferent it does not eman that i my statement is asinine, you dont live in my country, you have no idea about the reality of my country, the information that you have is so little, i insist that if we want to know about the reality of argentina, we must search news, in those chanels that support the government, and those that are against it, after, we must get our conclutions.
The reality in Argentina is that the channels which support the government are the government channels. Everyone should be able to make logical conclusions from that.
Jul 07th, 2010 - 03:53 am - Link - Report abuse 021 axel arg: and yet its ok for you guys to make your own impressions on the UK and the falkalnds, when most of you heve never visited either.
Jul 07th, 2010 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is this another case of do as i say and not as i do?
ZETHE:
Jul 07th, 2010 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is evident that it's agood strategy for you yet, to play the victim, in this comment i didn't mention a word about the malvinas cause, i only wrotte about the situation of my country, and how our shamefull media is everyday less reliable.
Anyway i dont need to visit the islands to have an opinion about the conflict, i hope i can travel some day to malvinas, but it's very expensive for us, i think it's even cheaper to travel to england, wich would be much more interesting.
On the other hand, i have allways respected the posture of the islanders, i have allways said that we must find a fair solution for both sides, i allready told you this before, so, your asserttion is just simple crap.
just wondering, if there are 3 out of ten urban households victims of crimes, then I suppose the country must be flooded with crooks. Just what I always thought...
Jul 08th, 2010 - 03:41 am - Link - Report abuse 024: No it's not. My point is that people on both sides make assumptions without visiting places.
Jul 08th, 2010 - 08:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0We do it, and you do it yourself.
So in effect, you are asking people to stop doing something you personally do, which makes you a hypocrite.
axel. Just a point of information. You will NEVER travel to the malvinas. As an Argentine, you may ONE DAY be allowed to travel to the Falkland Islands. Get the drift?
Jul 08th, 2010 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0are all the british trolls here pesting people again. man this pest never learn, line up, I am going to give you what all of you massoquist came for, to be abused, harrier how many time do I have to tell you that this is not a gay chat, are all brits as racist and perverted as you, or this only happens when brits pairs with a dog ?? and what is fakland ?? we don't fak here we make love in Argetina ask your mom son.
Jul 08th, 2010 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0mom jokes and gay jokes, i see avargas has raised the tone.
Jul 08th, 2010 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good on you son. We can always count on you to bring a certan level of elegance to the conversation.
ZETHE. HARRIER.
Jul 09th, 2010 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would not ask my self why a moron like you keeps on understanding just what he wants, lest see if your short mind can understand once and for all what i am trying to say.
What i said, is that, if we want to give an opinion about the situation of any country, we must inform our selves with diferent points of view, because everychanel, newspapers, journalists omit information, some of then do it against the goverment, and others omit information that would be prejudicial for it, so, we must open our minds and listen diferent voices, not just one, after, we must get our conclutions, i can't talk about the situation of england, because i only know one side of the history, that's why i can 't say if the situation in the u.k. is as dramatic as i hear in the media, maybe you can give me your opinion because you live there, beside i have allways heart the voices of the islanders, and respected their opinions, that's why i will allways keep on holding that the solution to the conflict must benefit both sides, in order to respect the wishes an the interests of both parts.
HARRIER: Idiot harrier, you are absolutly misinformed, any argentine is allowed to travel to malvinas, so, as usuall, your ignorance and your haughtyness only prejudices you.
AXEL. Sooooo dozy, aren't you? Let me point you to a page.
Jul 09th, 2010 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.falklands.gov.fk/Getting_Here.html
See the picture on the right. Tell me where it says malvinas.
This is why your “survey” is pointless. You can't even see what stares you in the face.
While you're trying to figure it out, let's try to make your mind grasp the obvious. I feel that at some time I might want to briefly visit a country I refer to as Mapuchia. Would that be OK? I'll give you a clue. You may know the place as República Argentina.
“beside i have allways heart the voices of the islanders, and respected their opinions, that's why i will allways keep on holding that the solution to the conflict must benefit both sides”
Jul 09th, 2010 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That whole statement is a big fat lie in istelf.
If you did really give a toss about how the islanders feel you'd understand that you have no place on the islands. There is no arrangement that will benefit both sites(islanders and argentina). Because they don't want you. They have no intrest in you, we have no intrest in you.
ZETHE. HARRIER.
Jul 10th, 2010 - 12:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0ZETHE: I have allways known perfectly that the islanders will allways prefer to shoot seven times in their balls before arriving to an agreement with argentina for the sovereiggn dispute, but like them or not, some day they will have to understand that they will have to sit an discuss with my country to find a fair solution for both sides, because it's imposible that we drop on our claim, on the other hand, our governments can't keep on ignoring the islanders, they must listen to their opinions, and find a final solution that respects the wishes and the interests of both parts, the idiot intransient that exist betwen both, is what impide to find together a fair solution.
HARRIER: Your idiot assertion does not sorprise me in absolut, i know very well that the name of the islands for you is falklands, but for us is malvinas, i have no problem to call the islands as malvinas-falklands, on the other hand, i have no problem with the mapuches, beside it's not the only one race of indigenous people that we have here, your statement
shows of ignorant you are, and how litte you know about us.
“some day they will have to understand that they will have to sit an discuss with my country to find a fair solution for both sides, because it's imposible that we drop on our claim”
Jul 10th, 2010 - 01:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thats where i personally think you are wrong. I think the islanders are quite happy the way they are. Argentina can keep making noise and the islanders can keep ignoring them.
One day the islanders will gain independance(possibly due to oil). And then argentina will have to leave them alone for good.
ZETHE:
Jul 10th, 2010 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The islanders can declare their independence if they want, but it wont impide that we can keep on claiming for our islands, the malvinas dont belong only to the islanders, it's part of argentina too, like it or not, in the same way that all the rest of argentina belong to the islanders, they can accept it, or reject it, it's their posture, we have ours too, but some day, both sides will have to discuss in a mature way, and leave the fundamentalist intransient behind.
The claim can carry on. The only such forum Argentina can “claim” the islands is the decolonisation comittee.
Jul 10th, 2010 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once they are “decolonised” and independant. Where will you go? Who will listen? Your entire argument currently is that we should not have a colony there.
What will it be once the islanders are a nation?
I still don't understand that you should govern the people of those islands when your entite claim of the islands is a two year period that you had people living there.
How does two years beat the 200 years the islanders have been living there for?
AXEL. You are undoubtedly both an IDIOT and a CLOWN. Not to mention CHILDISH. Now go away. When you've made it to adulthood you came come on here and try to debate. Until then, get back to your kindergarten.
Jul 10th, 2010 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ZETHE. HARRIER.
Jul 11th, 2010 - 01:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0ZETHE: Why dont you read about international right instead of parroting all the crap that you say all the time.
HARRIER: Keep on parroting all the idiot assertions that you want, what a fundamentalist moron like you can think about me, does not change my mind in absolut, beside, why dont you give me a reason that prouves that i am childish, anyway if i must grow up because i am still a child, i am sure that it does not worth to debate with an imbecill like you.
“ZETHE: Why dont you read about international right instead of parroting all the crap that you say all the time.”
Jul 11th, 2010 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why don't you? Please tell me which international right the falklands fall under?
http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/
Because it's to my undersanding that most international law is centered around people, and their human rights.
As for parroting, this is the second time you've said that exact same sentance to me.
AXEL. I think you have just demonstrated that, amongst other things, you are a CRETIN.
Jul 11th, 2010 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ZETHE. HARRIER.
Jul 12th, 2010 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ZETHE: I propose you something, why dont you make your own survey about the rights of both nations on the malvinas- falkland islands, and after we can debate and interchange our information, many of the assertions that i am using for my survey, belong to british experts, in the u.k. there are planty of prestigious universitys like here, you'll find a lot of expert in international right, when i publish my investigation, you'll see why i hold that our claim is still legitimate.
HARRIER: When a moron like you does not any solid argument, and does not have not even one line of objetivity, the only one thing that he can do, is insulting, so, my dear, keep on vomiting all your poison, it only makes laugh for a while.
“about the rights of both nations on the malvinas”
Jul 12th, 2010 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Neither nation has any rights over the islands. The people on the islands are the only ones with rights when it comes to the place they live.
Human rights.
ZETHE:
Jul 13th, 2010 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok, if it makes you happy, keep on thinking what you want, it does not worth to debate with some one like you, it wont impide that we can continue with our claim, if you would no be so ignorant, you would understand why our claim is still legitimate, i never denyed the rights of the people from malvinas, actually they are the ones who deny our rights, anyway it's their problem, we will allways keep on claim for the restitution of our territorial integrity, when you read my survey, you'll see why i hold this.
“it does not worth to debate with some one like you”
Jul 14th, 2010 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know, it must be highly annoying to argue a case when deep down you know you are wrong.
“if you would no be so ignorant, you would understand why our claim is still legitimate”
If you wern't so ignorant you would understand that Human Rights negate any legitimacy you may have had.
“i never denyed the rights of the people from malvinas, actually they are the ones who deny our rights”
That's a lie. You wish to deny them their freedom, their right to self determination. Your rights? Find me an international right they are denying you.
“anyway it's their problem”
Nope, the problem is Argentinas.
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