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UK press insists Prince William wants to go Falklands’ as helicopter pilot
Mail on Sunday reports Prince William is battling to go to the Falkland Islands next year as an RAF search-and-rescue helicopter pilot. William, 28, finishes his training in the autumn and is due to travel to the Falklands for eight weeks next summer. Read full article
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Jul 05th, 2010 - 05:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0in 21 century is always a refreshing situation the image of the prince visiting his colonial enclaves.
Jul 05th, 2010 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0god save the king!!
King? Oops! The last male English sovereign was George VI. Let's hope that Will won't borrow Harry's Nazi costume...
Jul 05th, 2010 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(3) Argie
Jul 05th, 2010 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now that you mention the “N” word........
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/05/01/Royal_Nazis.html
Enjoy
Hoytred 100% - no idea what the press is on about-guess they are hard up for stories! normal military rotational posting -no fuss. Down here he would do the job without having to look over his shoulder at the press all the time - his Uncle appreciated that side when he was back here for 4 months after 1982 as a helicopter pilot. To us here they are just another person in uniform doing their job - which we appreciate.
Jul 05th, 2010 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wonder if he got the uniform in Argentina
Jul 05th, 2010 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina was a popular destination for Nazis. Declassified files show how Buenos Aires helped establish a network to rescue Collaborators and Nazis from post war Europe. The Network issued false paperwork to help Nazis escape the Allies, via the port of Genoa and finally by ship to Argentina. Once in Argentina Juan Perón's government protected them and they settled in the southern regions of the country. In early October 1999 Nazi hunter Efraim Zuroff tracked Ustasha Dinko Šakić, the former commandant of Jasenovac concentration camp (nicknamed the “Auschwitz of the Balkans”). Sakic had lived in Argentina for more than fifty years. He was extradited to Croatia and sentenced by a Zagreb court to twenty year's imprisonment for his crimes
And the Windsors rule Britannia !
Jul 05th, 2010 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WHEN Harry appeared in Nazi uniform it left the rest of his family suddenly looking naked. In an instant, years of painstaking effort to smooth over the royals' past were stripped away as memories and suspicions of royal links to Hitler's Germany were resurrected.......... more
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/05/01/Royal_Nazis.html
open door policy
Jul 05th, 2010 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Despite an official position of neutrality, it appears that the Argentine government also actively supported Nazi Germany during the war, and that the offer of a safe haven to Nazis after the war was simply an extension of this support
4 Think:
Jul 05th, 2010 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its hard to take that website seriously when it's fundimental flaw is that hitler never wanted to invade England. He wanted to be allies with the empire. Operation Sealion, and the battle of britain was a last ditch attempt to force britain into peace talks.
Britain entered WW2 through choise.
British History ;-)
Jul 05th, 2010 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British Paper!
British Royal Family?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article413083.ece
The Wiesenthal Centre also expressed surprise at the little progress made in the investigation into the alleged arrival of looted Nazi assets to Argentina.
Jul 05th, 2010 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“When Ceana's investigation into the arrival of Nazi gold at Argentina's central bank turns up no results when we have other indications, then that is also unacceptable,” Mr Samuels said.
Also painful for Argentina's sizeable Jewish community is the lack of progress in investigations into the bomb attacks against the Israeli embassy and the Jewish community centre in 1992 and 1994 in Buenos Aires, which cost 115 lives. In the case of the embassy incident, there have been no arrests.
Argentine recent history ;-)
The frea**** British Royal Family!
Jul 05th, 2010 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Queens , Kings and Princes
Germans and Na*** the lot of them !
This is good!
I learned something in school today.
Thanks for guiding me mates !
I learnt something today
Jul 05th, 2010 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_oM0Nv3MSA
First the Times,
Jul 05th, 2010 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now The Daily Mail
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-498894/The-Nazi-relative-Royals-disowned.html
What will i find when i open the Guardian?
Spookyyyyy
Learn a lot from your nazi guests
Jul 05th, 2010 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESMA
How nice that Billy is, at last, learning courtesy and his proper place - peasant. Sorry. Foreign peasant.
Jul 05th, 2010 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Notice please that His Royal Highness the Prince William does not shirk his duty as an Officer of the Royal Air Force.
It is regrettable that Edward VIII found Hitler and his regime attractive. However, once recognised, he was forced to move from positions of influence.
Unlike the Argentine Government who actively aided Nazi Germany and the escape of many of the worst war criminals from justice.
Argentina has not forgotten its Nazi influence and instruction and is now operating similar policies.
Often called the Auschwitz of Argentina, ESMA is the most notorious and well known of the country's detention centers. Estimates suggest that 5000 people were imprisoned in ESMA over the course of its history and that 90% of them were killed.
Jul 05th, 2010 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Learnt a lot the Argies
“King? Oops! The last male English sovereign was George VI. Let's hope that Will won't borrow Harry's Nazi costume...”
Jul 05th, 2010 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Godwin's Law should have cut in right about there....
I don't get why Think is overexcited about this. it's not exactly a secret that the royals are of German decent. In the past royals married with other royals in order to cement alliances and such.
Jul 05th, 2010 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The royal family is very large.
A few royals turned, and were exiled. As a nation we fought against the nazi's. When we did not have to. No shame in that.
“ ... It is regrettable that Edward VIII found Hitler and his regime attractive...”
Jul 05th, 2010 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is, as it is regrettable that Argentina found the Nazi regime attractive, as it is regrettable that so many of the German people found the Nazi's attractive.... something to do with arrogance perhaps....?
Think, people in glass houses ... etc,etc
concidering the prince is british, and the falklands are british, then their is no problem, but if argentina is objecting to any british peoples visiting the falklands, they are all to welcome to try and stop them,
Jul 06th, 2010 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0hello selfdetermination!!!...jajaja what a farse
Jul 06th, 2010 - 03:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0(20) Hoyt
Jul 06th, 2010 - 05:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Royal Saxe-Coburg-Gotha and Wettin family und their links mit die Nationalsozialistische Bewegung des Deutschen Reichs.
(I love long German titles)
You say:
Think, people in glass houses ... etc,etc
I say
I know Hoyt... Is not minted for “your kind of people”.
It’s for the “Turnips” in here constantly using the “Nazi angle” to debate Falklands.
I honestly believe that most of them have no idea about it!
(and then.... some are maybe proud of it now)
I’m just trying to raise some awareness.
It worked with “Stick up your Junta”
@Billy: You might consider the lack of democracy in Argentina today
Jul 06th, 2010 - 06:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Consider the executive power of presidential decree in Argentina, if you want a modern day example of lack of accountability & democracy. No debate, no agreement, decreed through the personality of a single person without the inconvenience of public debate in Congress. The right of presidential decree unchecked is truly the powers of the dictator
If you study history, you'd know the British removed executive power from their monarchy long ago, almost four hundred years ago, & replaced it with parliamentary democracy, requiring debate of laws by elected political representatives. The UK was one of the first countries in the world to overthrow Absolute Monarchy and replace it with democracy through a Constitutional Monarchy, which is much reformed and modernised today and is comparable to most modern democracies
The monarchy in the UK is simply a figure head, with no executive power, only a ceremonial & official representative role, but no power to decide law and strictly “secular” in terms of politics, where involvement in politics or even comment is permitted by convention, which is fully observed
So, whilst you may show scorn for the idea of a Royal Family, you are confused & wrong if you think the Royal Family has any power, they do not, their function is purely to represent the govt of the day in official functions, no more
The concept of a Constitutional Monarchy originally provided a framework for radical change but preserved continuity of national identity and leadership, with transit of power to the elected representatives of the people . Its success simply meant it has survived until today
Self-determination is no farse; people desire it passionately & will not be denied
It is the right of the Argentine patriots to rebel against Viceroyalty royalists & be independent. It is the basis of the UN Charter & I'd remind you required by resolution 1514(XV) & 2065(XX) for the Islanders
“ ... The monarchy in the UK is simply a figure head...”
Jul 06th, 2010 - 06:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0And by design, figureheads are placed a long way from the rudder!
Ohhh no my dear....
Jul 06th, 2010 - 07:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0On each HMS a picture of them is right behind the rudder!
I didn't think there was anything behind the rudder, other than sea!
Jul 06th, 2010 - 07:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Behind Captain behind .....
Jul 06th, 2010 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sea is in front..
Turn your neck and you will see her:-)
@Guys!
Jul 06th, 2010 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Again with the Nazy stuff?
How many times I have to show you the hypocrite you are eh?
Nazy Britain.
Prince Philip assisting to a Nazy leader funeral.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-379036/Prince-Philip-pictured-Nazi-funeral.html
Better photo here
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-379036/Prince-Philip-pictured-Nazi-funeral.html
All his sisters were married with prominent Nazys Germans.
He also admitted openly to be jealous of the Jewish and that has a lot of sympathy for Adolf Hitler
All this was published on “the Royals and the Reich,” which describes the German royalty’s acquiescence to the Nazis.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-379036/Prince-Philip-pictured-Nazi-funeral.html
King Edward the VIII lover of the Nazys and who was playing against Britain and the Allies in favor to a Nazy dominated Britain.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-379036/Prince-Philip-pictured-Nazi-funeral.html
Do you need more guys?
Just tell me because you have the Nazys in your Windsor castle and Royal family.
Argentina has host some Nazys but you guys are the inventor of them.
Come on guys where are your SS helmet hidden?
SYL.
(29) NicoDin
Jul 06th, 2010 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You ask:
“Come on guys where are your SS helmet hidden?”
Mine is right besides mi father’s Meine Ehre Heißt Treue Dolch.
Where is yours?
at least we are not ex spannish, and besides did you not know that most of us decent from celtic, which were germatic tribes, luckiy for us, that tribe turn british with the rest of the good guys, saxons viking ect
Jul 06th, 2010 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and what have you lot got, and still got today,[nothing]
What can I say ... Prince Philip is Greek, his sisters were Greek, the Mountbattens were German ... its a royalty thing...... you wouldn't know, well apart from the dynastic Kerchners of course (bit Germanic sounding that name?)
Jul 06th, 2010 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0as for the relevance to the subject at hand ..... who gives a f*ck ?
Is Kirchner.... ...K - I - R - C - H - N - E - R
Jul 06th, 2010 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From here:
http://www.kirchnermuseum.ch/45803.html
@ nicotine
Jul 06th, 2010 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I couldnt find any ss helmets, will these do
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/3966735/Landmine-clearance-work-to-begin-in-Falklands-after-quarter-century-wait.html
Billy. Don't know what you were trying to convey at 22.
Jul 06th, 2010 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Two possibilities. You still can't spell; OR
You should have left a space between the “f” and the 4 letters of your name at the end.
@NicoDin and Think,
Jul 06th, 2010 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please, lets stick to the facts and reality. There may have been sympathisors within the Royalty, this is a fact but they were pushed away. The Nazi party was not invested by the Brits, but was born out of a German political situation which was caused by the loss of the war and the Treaty of Versaille. To say it was invested by the Brits is a poor statement. And to say Argentina have less links to the Nazi party than Britain is truly laughable. Argentina offered itself as a safe haven to Nazi war criminal and welcomed them with opened arms. Britain on the other hand for a few years stood up ALONE against Nazi Germany as Germany pursued its imperialistic ambitions over countries which did not want Germany (sound familiar???), and Britain stood firm. Then when the Americans entered the war, both countries then liberated Europe from Nazi Germany. When Europe was finally liberated, Argentina (as mentioned) opened their arms up to the Nazis. FACT. I will not offer stupid links to irrelevant websites which have biased views. We all know this history and all accept it as fact. Now Argentines, accept this, and move on. No more nonsense please.
Self-Determination!
29 NicoDin
Jul 06th, 2010 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That post shows your idiocy. We fought the nazis and lost thousands of people in two world wars against germany, how can you claim that we are nazis when it was the British who won the first major victory in ww2 against the nazis.
The UK stood against the nazi's when i might add, we did not have to, we could have formed an alliance with them and yes few wanted to, they were exiled.
We faught germany all over the world in both world wars.
36 M_of_FI (#)
Jul 06th, 2010 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i concure with you on that one,
Think ,and others- of course she has her picture on all the HMS,s - after all they ear all HERS -Her Majesty,s Ship Portland - being the one here at the moment. She is the titled head of all of British Armed Forces - and several others like all the HMS,s in Australia and NewZealand, and just last week payed her respects to the ROYAL Canadian Navy on its centennary.
Jul 07th, 2010 - 02:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Funny that those who mock British Royalty the most are usually ones from Countries who are so jealous that they have no history and traditions anywhere near it. Nor have they any idea how much income it actually brings to a country in the form of tourism and exports, let alone the political stability from a crazy(from the outside) constitution that actually works.
Today she addressed the UN-53years - that is over half a century since she first did so. Cannot be many left in todays world who have a political experience and governmental awareness that spans nearly 60years - she is Apolitical in public - but she has a wealth of experience,knowledge and information on international and national affairs.
(39) Islander
Jul 07th, 2010 - 04:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for putting Hoyt right... He is obviously not a Navy man....but.....
About mocking the Royal Family..........
Direct me please to ONE mocking word written by me against them.
I said that they are of predominantly German stock. (As they are)
I called them by their German Surname. (That they changed)
I recalled their Nazi sympathies (As they had/have)
Where is the mocking?
Right besides the “UN maritime Convention on Free Passage through the Magellan Straits” I suppose.
In your imagination.
@Think
Jul 07th, 2010 - 04:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Where is yours?
Meine ist in Deutschland von mir aus mir freunde.
@Briton
“at least we are not ex spannish, ... most of us decent from celtic, which were germatic tribes, luckiy for us, that tribe turn british with”
You are ex Spanish my friend, the Roman Empire sent the Spanish troops to invade Britain in the 50 BC.
Since then Roman and Spanish troops ruled Britain for around 400 years.
Spanish also are Celts in Northern Spain and the center or Spain and other areas, you in Britain are cousin of the Spanish and French Celts. They moved to the British Island in the Iron Age (when Celt expanded in continental Europe) from Belgium.
So to don’t complicate you with history (as you are not good for that) think that an old English is the sum of a Roman, Spanish and Celtic from northern continental Europe. And a Celtic is a cousin of a Gaelic or Gallic from Northern Spain, Portugal, Belgium or France. Celtiberians (Spanish celtics), Galos or Gauls (from France), etc.
Germans were Teutons, Goths (Visigoths, Ostrogoths), Jutes, etc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teutons
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teutons
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teutons
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teutons
@ zethe
“how can you claim that we are nazis when it was the British who won the first major victory in ww2 against the nazis”
Were not the Britain alone else were the allies Americans+Russia+Britain+France+Poland+ rest of the world even Austalian , Canadian and Argentinean fought in WWII and we sent 800 voluntaries 400 served as pilots in your RAF and Canadian Royal Air force the rest as ground troops, radio operators, etc.
150 were killed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teutons
And I said Britain, US and France were the responsible or the rise of Hitler into power, like Saddam Hussein in Iraq.
Come on guys get the facts right please.
(41) Nicodin
Jul 07th, 2010 - 04:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your German stinks!
My old teacher Hr. Nußbaumm must be rotating in his grave!
Quite right about the origins of the “British” people though.
Still remember, being a lad, reading the Viking Sagas describing how they burned their huts, killed the men and “married” the women.
And I said Britain, US and France were the responsible or the rise of Hitler into power, like Saddam Hussein in Iraq.
Jul 07th, 2010 - 05:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0and responsible for their downfall, along with a third world junta somewhere down south
@twink
didn't the argies stampede the women and rape the cattle
For you, arithmetical geniuses:
Jul 07th, 2010 - 05:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fill the gaps below with the most accurate progression.
British National Party General Elections Performance
1987: 563 votes
1992: 7.631 votes
1997: 35.832 votes
2001: 47.129 votes
2005: 192.746 votes
2010: 563.743 votes
2015: ___________
2020: ___________
2025: ___________
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1657826.stm
Jul 07th, 2010 - 05:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0lot of catching up to do
Think, you are Thick sometimes -
Jul 07th, 2010 - 06:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0a) the figurehead is the opposite end of the ship from the rudder, which is how we like it, and wish we could get the bloody politicians that far away too!
b) Not too many historians in Argentina I see. Gaius Julius Caeser attempted an invasion of Britain in 55/4 BC but, whilst establishing a small bridgehead, got no further! Claudius made the conquest in AD 43. Yes they were influential for around 400 years (Spain was meerly a province of the Empire and was subsequently Moorish almost as long as it was Roman) although their influence waned in the last century due to the problems that they were having in Rome and with the Eastern Empire in Constantinople. 400 years is a long time, so that makes us somewhat Roman, The Spanish too. But unlike the Spanish, we ain't Arab!
c) There are Celtic and Gaulish influences also but the Angle/Saxon/Jute (Germanic tribes) influence is undetermined, at least as far as the effect upon out DNA which is still mainly Briton apparently. They came, they saw, they conquered but didn't add very much to the gene pool, much the same as the vikings as I understand it.
d) the British effectively stood alone after the fall of France. The Poles had already fallen and neither Russia nor the US were involved. WWII is not so far back NicoDIN but you still can't get it right. And the British had victories in North Africa before much help arrived. Whereas the Argies just ran away at the mere mention of the Ghurkas!. Well we do know which mercenaries to employ :-)
e) the BNP didn't get any seats .... says it all really!
(46) Hoyt
Jul 07th, 2010 - 07:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0A) Some linguistic misunderstanding going on her.
When I use the word “Rudder” I am referring to the Helm / Steering Wheel / Steering Joystick.......
A portrait of Monarch hangs always at the back of the Helm.... Ok?
B) “We ain't Arab!”...... Not Yet...... Look at Stickys link above....
C) Which DNA expertise are you using? Where did you read that your DNA “is still mainly Briton”?
Quoting one of the most conservative “British Tribe” theorists:
“A team led by Professor Bryan Sykes spent five years taking DNA samples from 10,000 volunteers in Britain and Ireland, in an effort to produce a map of our genetic roots.
The most common genetic fingerprint belongs to the Celtic (Spanish) clan, which Professor Sykes has called “Oisin”. After that, the next most widespread originally belonged to tribes of Danish and Norse Vikings. Small numbers of today's Britons are also descended from north African, Middle Eastern and Roman clans.
D) Britain stood alone..... for a while....... Correct........ and then..... what if..... or if.... and then ....
Germany was winning the War...... for a while... Correct........ and then..... what if..... or if.... and then ....
Boooooooring
E) Nope... No seats won.... yet...... Looking at the above historical progression... they certainly will next time......
Argentina should made campaign contributions to them. They would make our diplomatic efforts much easier..
diplomatic efforts much easier
Jul 07th, 2010 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argies we want talks
UK no
What’s wrong with this guy? Where does he get such ideas?
Jul 07th, 2010 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is he a Communist? No.... Black? No.... Liberal? No.... Unintelligent? No... Resented? No.... Jew? No.... Nazi? No.... Argentinean? No.... Unpatriotic? No.... Poor? No.... Gay..................That’s it!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/matthew_parris/article7043099.ece
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/matthew_parris/article7043099.ece
Clown? No. That's Twinky.
Jul 07th, 2010 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0I love the redaction of this paragraph.....:
Jul 07th, 2010 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has the ability, in concert with most of the rest of Latin America, to harry and frustrate attempts to exploit hydrocarbon reserves beneath the islands’ territorial waters. We can (expensively) guard prospectors against any eccentric attempt to take a pop at them, but if winnable reserves are found, will big oil companies risk their business elsewhere on the South American continent and perhaps beyond?
Buenos Aires can easily get a hostile resolution through the UN General Assembly, and may. In the Security Council, meanwhile, the Americans wouldn’t support us, but simply abstain, leaving us to use our veto, perhaps alone. The US has huge interests, political, commercial and military, in Latin America. Washington’s official position as regards our claim to colonial sovereignty is neutral. I invite you to guess what President Obama’s private instincts are.
Complete article:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/matthew_parris/article7043099.ece
@Think
Jul 07th, 2010 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Your German stinks!”
You are absolutely right mate and you have to see my French, its really sucks and I don’t want to mention my poor Italian writing I cannot write a sentence without spelling mistakes. Yeah language is not my best skill you can see that on my writing English also. haha
But I quite handle to move very well speaking the languages, haha Try to speak with an English man from Eastern London (cockney accent) and you will see that all learned at school its pretty useful.
They say ZERí instead of thirty, amma instead of hammer, a lot of got and F@ck. That’s it you can graduate as a truly English from London. Haha
Let me introduce you to the real day to day English in London you will luv it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBQxU8K1uJw
@Hoytred
“But unlike the Spanish, we ain't Arab!”
I guess you are talking about the invasion during the Ottoman Empire by the Turkish.
If I’m not wrong the Arabs or Muslims were only 20.000 men that took Andalucía in Spain (Al Andalus the real name in Arab language). Compare with today invasion in Britain by the Muslim this is quite a joke. Take a look how pretty Arab is UK today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBQxU8K1uJw
BTW did you buy your chocolate yet?
Alla ysalmak Mr. Hoytred and Allah with you mate sorry for my Arab I only can write Burj Dubai.
I’m felling Scandinavian now. haha
(52) NicoDin
Jul 07th, 2010 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok..... It just hurts to see Göthe's language dismembered that way!
Is bad enough when Britons in here try to put 4 Spanish words together...OMG
And then......... they criticize us when we use the wrong tense on a a verb:-)
Think - that fella wouldn't be one of those 'old spurts' would he? Mind you I'm safe, got a bit of Welsh in me :-)
Jul 07th, 2010 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2006/10/mythsofbritishancestry/
http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2006/10/mythsofbritishancestry/
http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2006/10/mythsofbritishancestry/
NicoDIN - the moors were there for 700 years (711 and 1492), and across more than just Andalucia -
” .. In the 8th century, nearly all of the Iberian Peninsula was conquered (711–718) by Muslim armies (see Moors) from North Africa. These conquests were part of the expansion of the Umayyad Islamic Empire.[note 9] Only a number of areas in the mountainous north of the peninsula managed to resist the initial invasion.....” from the great God Wiki
So no NicoDIN, I'm not refering to the Ottoman Empire, and I don'y tend to use YouTube as a reliable resource
In short.... ....you are as bastardized as we are...:-)
Jul 07th, 2010 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The purest race in the “civilized” world seems to be the Basques...
And they are Wackos.....
How unfortunate that Nico tried ancient history. Not too good at are you? Especially in the period of the Roman Principate.
Jul 07th, 2010 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As Hoytred correctly points out, there were two invasions. The first in 55/54 BC was not, however, in the Principate period but in the Caesarian period. it was not long enough to inject any notable Roman influence into the gene structure of the population.
Turning to the 43 AD invasion ordered by Claudius and conducted by Aulus Plautius, the invasion force consisted of 4 legions: II Augusta, IX Hispana, XIV Gemina and XX Valeria Victrix. Whilst some of these legions, during the course of their history, spent some time in Hispania attention must be paid to the length of service of the legionaries. Over the span of the late Caesarian and early Principate periods, length of service changed from 16 years to 20 years to 25 years.
Therefore, by 43 AD, any legionary recruited in the province of Hispania would have had to have joined no earlier than 18 AD.
II Augusta was based in Germania from approx. 9 AD.
IX Hispana was based in Pannonia from about the same date.
XIV Gemina was based at Moguntiacum, Germania Superior from about the same date.
XX Valeria Victrix was based in Germania Inferior from 9 AD.
These four legions were moved to their stated locations following the loss of three legions in the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest.
The likelihood of any Hispanic legionaries in the invading legions is therefore incredibly small. Except for a few who may have transferred from other legions.
@Hoytred
Jul 07th, 2010 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry but all you have posted about the DNA stuff has not given another alternative to me than to make a joke.
Mom!!!! Why I’m white, you yellow, daddy black and my sister red head?
And you have to consider yourself bloody lucky my dear boy. Taking into account how crowded was that party I was expected nothing less than a coulored a zebra.
But any way what that have to do with us?
We are not Spanish, not Italian, not Germans, not Polish, not French, not nothing. We are a diverse population that around 95% came from Europe including the first settlers, the Spanish and a minority of 3/5% or Amerindian or mestizos or mixed Spanish with aborigines.
Here the list of God wiki (No so trusty as youtube by the way) about ethnic groups
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Argentine_people_of_European_descent
The first to arrive to what is USA today was Columbus (Italian from Genova) to what is today Puerto Rico, USA have more Hispanics than us (60 m) and surely you don’t consider them Spanish.
They also have more Italian than us 18m at the moment.
You are amazing mates, you found 4 Jutes and you believe you are Anglo Saxons or Germans, you found 2 drops of Basque blood and now you are sons of Euskadi.
But your streets tells another thing when I was in UK I saw Asian, Jamaican, Nigerian, Pakistani, Indian, etc. everywhere.
Do this tell something to you mate?
Come on Mr. Hoytred you cannot find out where are you coming from and you want to know about others?
Allah and Mustafa knocking at your door knock, knock Kebab ready for your dinner mate.
I just wonder where I left my turban anyone is seeing it?
Allah and Mustafa knocking at your door knock, knock Kebab ready for your dinner mate.
Jul 07th, 2010 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I just wonder where I left my turban anyone is seeing it?
Love it retro racism,circa 1970
no wonder the argies are so backward
Nicotine the Bernard Manning of the pampas
I supposed that a “racial melt-pot” should be a wise thing!
Jul 07th, 2010 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not everybody agrees, that´s clear for now!
41 NicoDin : 800, first of all, is wrong. Get your facts right.
Jul 07th, 2010 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina sent 2000 men to help[ in ww2, thats pathetic from a nation a huge as yours. Austrailia, a nation of at the time of 7 million people, sent 1 million men.
THEN, try reading what i said, i did not say we stood alone, i said we won the first major military battle against the germans in ww2, and we stood against them in two world wars, which we did.
To say we are, or even condone nazis is rediculous when twas us who stood against those people when we did not have to.
Think:
“Germany was winning the War...... for a while... Correct........ and then..... ”
Germany was winning against europe, yes. Not the UK.
“Argentina has the ability, in concert with most of the rest of Latin America, to harry and frustrate attempts to exploit hydrocarbon reserves beneath the islands”
You don't have the ability to do anything, all you have is words.
so its agrred then
Jul 07th, 2010 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0britain is still great, and argentina, not so great, just a bully
61: Nah, a bully is someone who imtimidates someone, Argentina is incapable of this.
Jul 07th, 2010 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is more like a bad rash.
Hmmm, so let me get this right, you say ” ... USA have more Hispanics than us (60 m) and surely you don’t consider them Spanish...“
Jul 07th, 2010 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hi Span Ics - wonder where that name came from then?
The Great God Wiki says - ” ...Hispanic (Spanish: hispano, hispánico) is a term that originally denoted a relationship to the ancient Hispania (geographically coinciding with the Iberian Peninsula).[note 1] During the modern era, it sometimes takes on a more limited meaning, relating to the contemporary nation of Spain.
Still more recently, primarily in the United States, the term has also (or alternatively) been used to denote the culture and people of countries formerly ruled by the Spanish Empire ....”
In all seriousness, yes the Argentines are made up of a mix of races much the same as most other coutries in the world. Happy :-)
As for the different ethnic groups that you can see on British streets..... comes of having an Empire mate, lots of people, lots of friends ... we're a big (albeit not always happy) family.
Hi, Nico Clown. Notice you didn't try to refute any REAL history. Typical useless Argentine, ignore it and maybe it'll go away. Not so. But do try again if you want. You're funny.
Jul 08th, 2010 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now let's see..... No trace of Argentine pilots in the Battle of Britain. No record of Argentina “sending” anyone either. So lets agree that if anyone came it was just a group of intelligent Argentine citizens (a rare group even in those days!) who decided that, despite their government's pro-Nazi stance, Hitler was wrong and Britain was right. So don't crow about it. You are talking about people as unlike you as it is possible to be.
For the rest.....you are just blathering. But I don't want you to think that I am uncaring of the third world. You say that you were in the UK at one time. Hope your deportation went well?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._164_Squadron_RAF
Jul 08th, 2010 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 064: Around 2000 Argentinians were in ww2.
Jul 08th, 2010 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quite a lot of those 2000 men were decendants of english workers who built Argentina's railway system. There were so many Argentinian volunteers that they were given their own squadren.
They were not Argentine troops sent by the government. They were part of the RAF.
Sort of a gurka type thing.
It's not well known because of the military government and their pro nazi stance. Some of those pilots also were flying in 1982
64Zethe
Jul 08th, 2010 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By comparing this decent people with Gurkhas you expose your utmost abject stupidity!
You can’t even spell Gurkha right, boy!
By comparing this decent people with Gurkhas you expose your utmost abject stupidity!
Jul 08th, 2010 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And Gurkha's are not decent people,is it because they are not the correct colour?
By comparing this decent people with Gurkhas you expose your utmost abject stupidity
Jul 08th, 2010 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How is it? the gurkha's were people not of british origin who serve in the british army(when first implimented). It's a perfect comparison.
I remember last week you falsly accused and complained about me quoting your spelling mistakes, after which you apologised. Your previous statement proves you are a hypocrite.
The diference between a gurkha and a volunteer is that the first fights for money and glory. The latter goes to fight defending values. That was the case of Argentina volunteers. You have an honoured but incomplete list at my old Tigre Boat Club - TBC, rowing home of many of them.
Jul 08th, 2010 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BTW, Argentina had two governments during WW2, the first until 1943 was conservative and had the agreement of supplying food to GB using our neutrality as we have done in WW1. The trick avoided u-boats attacks. Foreign Relations minister Ruiz Guiñazu explicitly made his point until he was sacked in the 43 coup.
USA didn´t allow that independent gesture and by all means worked for polarization between pro-Allies and pro-Germans, with the consecuent arriving of Peron and his right-wing group. Famous “Braden o Peron”.
The F.O. wasn´t so bully...then.
How can you just generalize every single gurkha like that? do you personally know these people and their reasons for joining the army?
Jul 08th, 2010 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you personally know every Argentine and their reasons for going?
Gurkhas are VERY good troops and anyone who served in ww2 should deserve respect, even the argentines.
(70) Pheel
Jul 08th, 2010 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you very much ......
No more needs to be said...
Oh.. yes....... Teutonia is best!
Perhaps you know gurkhas better than me. I just know them through the descriptions of recruitment by Nepal travelers and through the BBC articles written on their difficulties to be paid, honoured and acknowledged in GB.
Jul 08th, 2010 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obviously, I didn´t know about “every Argentine” who went to WW2 and their reasons, but seems that fitted pretty well to my original description of fighting for values. Not because being Argentines, but for the extraordinary effort i know they made for going there. And listened traditions in my club and with friends of English origin. Not a bad source of info.
@Think (23/41): Before you remonstrate NicoDin for his poor German, you could benefit from checking you own. It stinks! Have a care for poor Herr Nussbaume; I'd agree he must be spinning in his grave!
Jul 08th, 2010 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have a think Think about the use of the dative case with the definite article &its adjectival declensions & compare how you got it terribly wrong. Aua! That really hurt to read, but at least you got the basic case of the noun right...
I'd say a mark of 3/10 for young master Think. Must try harder. Go stand in the corner facing the wall with a turnip on your head, you 24-caret turnip! LOL ;-D
Still, neither you nor ND addressed my point that the use of presidential decrees to make laws by Kirchner allows her to make laws unilaterally without consent of the elected legislature, WHICH is truly the absolute power of a monarch or dictator
At least your Federal Judge Sarmiento had the the metaphorical cojones to challenge the legality of unconstitutional decrees, even when her Father was arrested under fabricated charges to pressure her to reverse her ruling on decree 2010/09, for which Kirchner wrongly used the constitutional mechanism of urgent and necessary decree, to assume executive power, when she should have allowed proper Congressional legislation as normal.
I'd suggest Argentines scrutinise the abuse of power by Kirchner and lack of accountable democracy before making erroneous criticism of the constitutional monarchies of the world, including the UK, & also to refrain from falsely attributing absolute executive & legislative power to constitutional monarchs, when they have none & are merely figureheads
Besides the UK, there are many successful democracies with constitutional monarchies, it is just an older alternative to the republican system of democratic government. It certainly does not mean that the people are serfs to the monarch, as some Argentines & other South Americans erroneously claim, rather they enjoy equal freedoms
Viva 164 Squadron!
73 Pheel.
Jul 08th, 2010 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can't really make assumptions like that. Why was any of the gurkhas reasons any different from ANY other nation in the world who participated in ww2?
They certanly lost more men than argentina did in ww2 and saw a lot more action.
Gurkhas are one of the most abject products of the British Empire
Jul 08th, 2010 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They took a primal fierce and proud mountain tribe,. They gave them uniforms, guns and money and used them as expendable mercenaries on every possible war, emergency, intervention, anti-colonial uprising or any other place where the Empire needed to do some killing during the last 200 years.
They do not fight for King and Country
Not their King... Not their Country...
They kill for Pennies
75 Zethe
Jul 08th, 2010 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Being good warriors not implies that must be good persons.
Being voluntaries for fighting what you believe is right - perhaps talks about values of good persons.
Prefer not to need warriors but surely I should never contract mercenaries.
Lack of pragmatism? ok
Bravest of the brave, most generous of the generous, never had country more faithful friends than you
Jul 08th, 2010 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#66“ the military government and their pro nazi stance. ”
Jul 08th, 2010 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Argus' 23 October 1939... “REFUELLING OF U-BOATS, Argentine Facilities .
LONDON, Sunday.
The Argentine Government, a
message from Berlin states, has
agreed to allow German submarines
to refuel in Argentine ports, but
the vessels must not stay more than
24 hours. ”
Yep, sounds pretty pro nazi to me....
The ( small number of ) argentinians that served with the British in WW2 were predominantly of British stock.
Why is there a lot of homosexuals there ?? I mean it's the army, If I was a prince and I was homosexual, yes I would go to the army, but I am straight the army would be the last place I would go, well if I was impetent then I might go learn to kill people, out of frustration, but I think he should just go to a psychologist and treat his inferiority complex, I see this often with people who can't afford good a car and compensate for it by buying big speakers.
Jul 08th, 2010 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 077 Pheel & 76 Think:
Jul 08th, 2010 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So how can you imply without knowing them personally that they aren't fighting for what they believe in? You can't.
“Being good warriors not implies that must be good persons.”
it doesn't? Bravery and honor aren't attractive qualities in a person? i think they are.
110,000 of them were involved in ww2.
Domingo,
Jul 08th, 2010 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see the irony, say as you like.
I ve always interested on how, a country which have been close partner during 100 years, where GB have invested as in India o Australia, where every english touch was seen as superior and desirable, etc etc...one day results to be an enemy. If you want answers to your say, try to take a look on the historical reasons of that.
You will find some of the “common places” that are usually published here mixed with a lot of relationship mismanagement from GB.
Just looking for the roots behind today.
Frank the Yank again..... with a totally undocumented allegation!!!
Jul 08th, 2010 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argius”08 July 2010... PARKING OF CARS, English facilities.
LONDON, Sunday
The London Council, a
message from the City states,has
agreed to allow British cars
To park in London street, but
the cars must not stay more than
24 hours. ”
Yep, sounds pretty stupid to me...
81 zethe (#)
Jul 08th, 2010 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Being good warriors not implies that must be good persons.”
it doesn't? Bravery and honor aren't attractive qualities in a person? i think they are. Your say.
I feel that are good qualities for oneself,
but putting them to war without need is very costly for everyone.
Just romantic, not ethic.
Dying for glory is nonsense.
Dying for your countrymen should be appreciated and deeply respected.
Put your gurkhas in the category you prefer.
My “assumptions” don´t seem so bad: they are mercenaries, they are warforce, they are killers. Probably they are primitive, noble and brave, and british officials master that generating loyalties.
Excuse mi ignorance, I should always prefer to know and confront killer´s bosses.
84 Pheel
Jul 08th, 2010 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I couldn't have written that better myself.
Hope the young man is receptive.
But I doubt it.
“And the band played the Waltzing Mathilda” should be obligatory morning hymn at all schools.
Ghurkhas,
Jul 08th, 2010 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if anyone has a problem with one, i suggest you do not tell him to his face, as you may not have one left,
the Ghurkhas, in their history as warriors respect only the brave, not those who only brag about it, these brilliant people gave the British army respect, as the only foreign army to have beaten them hand to hand, the Ghurkhas respect has to be earned, it was for this reason that they swore loyalty the the British government, from that day to this, their enemies fear them , the British respect them, and if the argies have a problem with that, ?? well 1982 proves my point,
And Remarque ´s “No news from the Front” be seen before you can vote.
Jul 08th, 2010 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Right mate.
Jul 08th, 2010 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But don't waste your time with Briton.
He is in his “Teens War Fantasy Years” an a 84mm Carl Gustav would not wake him up :-)
Think...you really are a one trick pony... typical of your breed... all mouth and no trousers.
Jul 08th, 2010 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Back on track.... CK has Croatian roots... many Croatians were Nazis therefore the Kirchners are Nazis... makes as much sense as this entire thread
It really is time to invoke Godwin's law..
think what you like think, and i think what i like , think,
Jul 08th, 2010 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0think again think, it does not make sense think,
mmmmmm back to the drawing board,
Before Think picks up on my deliberate mistake.... CK is getting rooted by NK....therefore CK has Nazi roots...QED
Jul 08th, 2010 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dying for glory is nonsense.
Jul 09th, 2010 - 12:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dying for your countrymen should be appreciated and deeply respected.
Put your gurkhas in the category you prefer.
So which one would you put your 2000 argentines in ww2? Was germany knocking on your door? no.
“My “assumptions” don´t seem so bad: they are mercenaries, they are warforce, they are killers.”
Hate to break it to you, but thats what military is. The only difference between military and mercenaries is that one is a private killer, and the other is funded by the state.
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Jul 09th, 2010 - 04:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0The British Armed Forces are a a group of mercenary and killers funded by the state you say...........
Just like their Argentinean counterpart was.....
We dismantled them.......
We dismantled them
Jul 09th, 2010 - 05:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0After their defeat,during the Falklands war
Here you go, Think,... http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/page/604073?zoomLevel=3
Jul 09th, 2010 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0You probably prefer revisionist wikibollocks....
And the very next day..... after decades without a squeak....
“ARGENTINA AND FALKLANDS
Sovereignty Dispute
BUENOS AIRES, Monday.
The war has revived the dispute about sovereignty of the Falkland Islands.
A committee has been formed in Buenos Aires to press Argentina's claims to the Islands
There has been some newspaper criticism of the use of the Islands as a British naval base.
Britain and Spain both claimed the Falkland Islands about the middle of the 18th century but in 1771 Spain yielded them to Britain. ”
This is when all the present nonsense started and was of course all down to Argentina backing Germany and hoping to pick up some crumbs after the UK was defeated... it doesn't get much more cynical than that...
Oh yes it does... March 27th 1945... time to change sides.... what is it about you diegos???
(95)
Jul 09th, 2010 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0You Yanks usually “cook your stories” much better!
Is that it?
Your historic material ?
Your proof ?
” REFUELING OF U-BOATS, Argentine Facilities, London, Sunday
The Argentine Government, a message from Berlin states, has agreed to allow German submarines to refuel in Argentine ports, but the vessels must not stay more than 24 hours. ”
A 3 lines unsigned footnote on an Australian Newspaper from October 1939 quoting an unspecified source from London referring to a message from Berlin?
Where is the Camera!!
I am in Candid Camera ... Right?
you prefer wikibollocks.ar?
Jul 09th, 2010 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0The local argentinian consul saw fit to respond ...PS diego, I am not a seppo..
“ I am not a seppo”
Jul 09th, 2010 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0You could fool me babe!
Obviously not a difficult thing to do....
Jul 09th, 2010 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0My view (please correct me if I’m wrong) is that the British public likes to “think” that they are independent minded and well informed.
Jul 09th, 2010 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0So, after picking their info from, in average, 3 to 4 domestic sources (most of them owned by the same person, Rupert Murdoch), disqualifying the few independent voices as “irrelevant freaks”, “communists” or “traitors” they move on to “international sources”.
Here is where the MercoPresses” of this world come in.....
Britons get their domestic implanted ideas confirmed.
All is under control.
The apes are making noises but we still have the keys of their cages.
It’s comforting to go to sleep knowing that you are a little bit better than the others by being British!
Indulge me for a moment please.....
Try this little funny experiment:
Google exactly the following, (with quotation marks): “Argentine oil drill to penetrate near Falklands waters”
Scroll down and click on “repeat search to see all similar results” or something.
You should get about 2770 hits from Rupert Murdoch’s “Independent Newspapers” all around the globe.
Amazing Huhhhh....!
93 Think: You dismantled them?
Jul 09th, 2010 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0I believe Argentina still has armed forces.
“ ... 2770 hits from Rupert Murdoch’s “Independent Newspapers” all around the globe'''”
Jul 09th, 2010 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now, to be fair, that's pretty good coverage. Got to be useful in any propoganda war!
Jupp..
Jul 09th, 2010 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And then some people in here accuse me of spamming because I repeat an article 2-3 times....
That's discrimination:-)
Repeating the same message over and over on a forum or news group is the definition of spamming.
Jul 09th, 2010 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think: Questions: For how long do you think Argentina is going to claim the Falklands?...Do you believe that in the long run England and the islanders are going to get tired and leave?
Jul 09th, 2010 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Que?
Jul 09th, 2010 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0105: I believe that Argentinas goal is to try to get loads of political support for us to resume talks over the islands.
Jul 09th, 2010 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But between the veto and our stubborness it's highly unlikely. Since we went to war over it the islands have become something of a national intrest.
For instance, most brits would agree to going back to the falklands for another spat more than the iraq and afghan wars, and we're still there.
The main base for the Gurkhas in the UK is quite near here. Anyone who wants to make derogatory comments about them should have the guts to post their full name and address along with the comments. I'll be glad to pass them along.
Jul 09th, 2010 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good nepalese mercenaries.
Jul 09th, 2010 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice that UK allows last year to establish them in Kent and living in your country .
After 200 years of using them, it was time to give them some rights, not only medals and 187 pounds, wasn´t it?
More or less that´s the way you parlamentarians spoke when they voted.
My problem, as I have posted before, should be with the bosses that send to kill.
You can continue playing Warmongering Plus in your PC.
1770 A Spanish flotilla arrives at the islands asking the British to leave. When first asked to leave, the British officer in charge of the garrison, a Captain Hunt, replied:
Jul 09th, 2010 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0``I have received your letters by the officer, acquainting me that these islands and coasts thereof belong to the King of Spain, your Master. In return I am to acquaint you that the said islands belong to his Brittanic Majesty, My Master, by right of discovery as well as settlement and that the subjects of no other power whatever can have any right to be settled in the said islands without leave from His Brittanic Majesty or taking oaths of allegiance and submitting themselves to His Majesty's Government as subjects of the Crown of Great Britain.''
This is the first documented sign we could find of the conflict between Britain and Spain regarding the Islands.
“Good nepalese mercenaries.”
Jul 09th, 2010 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong, a mercenary is a private military person. State funded armies are called militaries. All armies are funded. The only difference between military/merc is who pays the bills.
Liberty! How dare you .... bringing in real facts to this nonesensical thread..... but of course, your comment could be seen as a timely reminder that the British have always been determined to enforce their 245 year old (maybe even 320 years old) sovereignty.
Jul 10th, 2010 - 03:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0(we seem to have claimed the islands on two occassions - 1690 and 1765, but even twice doesn't seem to be enough for some people!)
(109)Pheel
Jul 10th, 2010 - 05:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Gurkhas and Kelpers
Quite a few parallels in their story.......
They where treated like “second class” people for ages.
Finally both got their “Rights”, but not because of their “Human” condition.
It took Britain more than 200 Years to acknowledge the rights of its own citizens!
How long until they recognize the rights of others in this world?
We've recognized the islanders rights since just after the war
Jul 10th, 2010 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0=)
As for your rights? Well..you don't have any.
How long until they recognize the rights of others in this world?
Jul 10th, 2010 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think in full victim mode,not a pretty sight come on move along nothing to see
109. Actually, they are in Surrey. Notice you didn't have the balls to properly identify yourself. Scary, aren't they?
Jul 10th, 2010 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I´m tiring.
Jul 10th, 2010 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Notice that you are threating from 14k km that eventually you will give my name to somebody in order that they would come and make a punishment on me because I ve described them what they are?
Brave and full of honour idea.
And a very accurate descriptor of what kind of asshole you do are.
If your description of the Gurkhas is accurate, what have you to fear?
Jul 10th, 2010 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Come on. Where's your balls?
@ feel
Jul 10th, 2010 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0just aswell we dont treat our brave Gurkhas like you argies treated your minority troops
War heroism, in fact, is one reason Argentina lags so far behind in recognizing its people of African descent. Even after the official abolition of slavery, many blacks were still slaves and were granted manumission only by fighting in Argentina's wars, serving disproportionately in the war of independence against Spanish rule and border wars against Paraguay from 1865 to 1870. Blacks were also granted their freedom if they joined the army, but they were deliberately placed on the front line and used as cannon fodder. Historian Ysabelle Rennie notes that the government deliberately placed as many blacks as possible in “dangerous military service” and were sent into batte, ”where they got killed off fighting Indians (another race Argentines were interested in exterminating.)”
(117) Pheel
Jul 10th, 2010 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Relax... this guy “harrier61” had another nickname before...
He called himself “agent0060”
He changed it after I found and posted one of his rabid comments in here:
http://story.irishsun.com/index.php/ct/9/cid/3a8a80d6f705f8cc/id/622599/cs/1/
Do you recognize his ”style
As you can see, “Mr. Brian Riches” is “a real dangerous type” that threatens people and destroys continents ;-)
Just treat him as what he is : background noise.......
“Just treat him as what he is : background noise”
Jul 10th, 2010 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't that the UK's policy on Argentina?
Argentine diplomacy,that vezula
Jul 11th, 2010 - 06:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jelou Guys............
Jul 11th, 2010 - 07:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Usefull Info for Debaters:
(Monobaters, just keep reading “The Sun”)
Full 2010 Report on Argentina:
(Square and Fair critic)
http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=22&country=7771&year=2010
Good Critical English E-News about Argentina:
(Written mostly by PomSinArg)
http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=22&country=7771&year=2010
Have a Sunny Sunday
hey, Think... good links.
Jul 11th, 2010 - 09:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0So from what I read in freedomhouse, Argentina is doing very well as a young democracy scoring 2/7 for both civil liberties & civil rights with 1/7 being the best score.
A few teething problems with some incompetent & sometimes corrupt members of the judciary (many free country does not have this problem) but also continued appointment of professional quality, some anti-semitism, vandalism & neo-nazi groups. No doubt the vast majority of decent people abhor these acts. Otherwise all good. Freedom of the Press (with only some political interference for party political reasons on the Clarin group) freedom to form political parties, freedom of assembly & protest generally respected, as recently reported by Argentina Independent for the indigenous people of Argentina protesting their historical and current abuse of rights :
http://www.argentinaindependent.com/socialissues/humanrights/por-tierra-y-igualdad-the-indigenous-peoples-march-/
This gives great hope that perhaps even Britain, Argentina & the Islanders can resolve their long historical dispute amicably and equitable in the future.
The only question is when & how. But it is possible.
All it needs is a lot of friendship and cooperation I think.
Have a sunny Sunday yourself too!
124: I doubt it. The stubborness of us british is something that most nations have experenced.
Jul 11th, 2010 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think stubborness of the British has anything to do with it; I think the British are rationale and flexible but are now fully constrained by their obligations & duties under the UN Charter & General Assembly resolution 1514(XV) & resolution 2065(XX) which makes quite clear that resolution 1514(XV) covers the case of the Falklands/Malvinas.
Jul 11th, 2010 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0The fact that resolution 1514(XV) covers the case of the Falklands/Malvinas & the fact that the Islands are listed as a dependent terroritory means the Islanders have the rights of a dependent people & these rights are independent of any other government.
Therein lies the difficulty. The Islanders have expressed their democratic will to remain part of Britain, whilst the Argentine policy is the complete incorporation of the islands and islanders into the state of Argentina and also the incorporation of all other British territories in the South Atlantic.
These views are dipolar and very hard to reconcile.
Nonetheless, with Argentina as a successful young democracy, and Britain as a modernising old democracy and the Islanders with their own voice through self-government, there remains hope constructive dialogue can lead to a permanent solution satisfactory to all parties
I think the two countries and peoples are very alike in their hopes, aspirations and beliefs.
I am hopeful that friendship and cooperation can lead to a happy future where Argentines, Britons & Islanders are satisfied with a fair resolution.
At first the effort on friendship and cooperation will be strenuous, but would later become natural and free
Perhaps it is time for all parties to agree to take the issue/s to the International Court of Justice for a non-binding but INDEPENDENT judgement?
I think all parties would have to enter this in the spirit of peace of friendship with the intent of making progress
At the moment,as you say, the entrenched positions of all sides remain.
But I am hopeful for future improved relations from the current lows!
ya gotta love an optimist :-)
Jul 11th, 2010 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Prozac 1514(xv) mg. optimist......
Jul 11th, 2010 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0126 Domingo:
Jul 11th, 2010 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0there remains hope constructive dialogue can lead to a permanent solution satisfactory to all parties
I don't think so. All the argies want is to have the islands and all the islanders want is nothing to do with any of them.
What solution would you suggest? They have complete polar opposite wants and needs.
Permission to speak, Sir...
Jul 11th, 2010 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Squettlers could move to a better Neighborhood Sir...
LOL. Well Prozac is used to treat depression, obsessive-compulsive disorder and panic attacks which some might say applies to all parties in this particular dispute.
Jul 11th, 2010 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A full dose of 1514(XV) might well prove be what the doctored ordered!
A panacea for all ills!
Follow doctor's orders :-)
Jul 11th, 2010 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Squettlers could move to a better Neighborhood Sir..
Jul 11th, 2010 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know how it is twink been there such a long time,like those nice people next door the argentines, couldnt go back now
They could clean up the neighborhood
Jul 11th, 2010 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wish you would try
Jul 11th, 2010 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dream scenario for us.
I can imagine the videos in Youtube....
Colonial Goliath against unarmed David.
Domingo.
Jul 11th, 2010 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British “entrenched” position: The Falkland Islands are a British Overseas Territory. The Islanders have the right of self-determination as enshrined in the UN Charter. At present they determine that they are happy with the status quo. If they choose to become part of Argentina, Britain will accede. If they choose to become independent, Britain will accede.
The Falklands' “entrenched” position: They want nothing to do with Argentina. They are satisfied with the status quo. They see independence as a future possibility once a means of disposing of a 'clear and present danger' has been removed.
The Argentine “entrenched” position: The Islands belong to them. The Islanders are considered to be “squatters” with no legal or democratic rights irrespective of the UN Charter.
Care to comment on the “stumbling block”.
By the way, if your neighbour barged his/her way into your house, locked you in an outhouse and deposited human faeces in your toilet, your bath, your bed and over your furniture, when would you want them to come back?
I suppose the first thing to do is recognise all points of view are legitimate?
Jul 12th, 2010 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you are referring to the Argentine Armed Forces in Operation Rosario as the neighbours barging into one's house (the Islanders property & UK territory), then obviously it has soured relations badly
I think a good start would be to present a neutral balanced fair view of each “side's” history; so that peoples on both sides can understand why both sides have dipolar views. This can be done by jointly agreeing the approach and asking schools & media in Britain, the Islands & Argentina to report the history along neutral unbiased lines. Furthermore the context of the relative unimportance of the dispute & reasons why friendship & cooperation should be presented best way forward
At the moment, popular bigotry on both sides fuels anger and argument rather than rreconcilliation & friendship. The Brits calling the Argentines “Argies & spics/wops/dagos/latinos” and the Argentines calling Brits:“pirates/thieves/imperialists/colonists” etc. is unhelpful
Rather a will to put aside these childish insults and discuss the matter in a friendly and cooperative way, without either side being pressured to make concessions is the constructive thing to do
Whilst the Islanders currently decline to discuss free association with Argentina, discussions about this could still be held & the Argentines could listen to and respect these views whilst putting across their view too
Being willing to respect each other's views and being able to discuss the issue without losing tempers and becoming passionate, emotional and aggressive is a good first step
All parties should favour finding positive ways to show friendship, good will and cooperation, rather than negative argument, escalation and stand-off. This is in no-ones short or long term interests
Arbitration through the ICJ could find some novel solutions for a satisfactory permanent solution for all sides without commitment? Fingers crossed!
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