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Mercosur dispute: Argentina announces anti-dumping tariffs on Brazilian products

Thursday, July 15th 2010 - 05:48 UTC
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Argentina announced it would slap anti-dumping tariffs for six months on gas compressors from Brazil, a decision which is expected to lead to new trade clashes among Mercosur largest members. Read full article

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  • Nicholas

    there you go..proves that Argies (che idiots) are idiots, lying protectionists and crooks.

    Jul 15th, 2010 - 06:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hoytred

    “ ... Whenever the trade surplus seems at stake Argentina has imposed deferred import licences or other non-officially written measures to slow imports and keep a healthy margin...”

    Really!

    Mind you it's quite funny that Argentina and Brazil should fall out at the moment that Britain has expressed a willingness to reinforce UK/Brazil ties. Politics is as funny old game what?

    Jul 15th, 2010 - 06:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • harrier61

    And they've upset China. No soy oil exports. And the EU for their trade restrictions. Is this a no-win situation for Argentina?

    Jul 15th, 2010 - 09:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Venezuela, North Korea & Zimbabwe. Three economic disasters in three different continents. Why does the Argentine leadership seam determined to add another economic basket case to South America. Perhaps they like to keep their citizens poor to maintain authority and power over them. Sounds a bit Orwellian but with CFK nothing would surprise.

    Looks like Brazil and the Falkland Islands are the South American economic models that should be used as examples of good practice. Rockhopper next, here is hoping for another oil find and a further upgrade to the volumes in Sealion ££££££$$$$$ :-)

    Jul 15th, 2010 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @Beef

    Change your job mate because economy is not your best skill I understand now why are you buying shares crap and feel like George Soros but from the 3er world. Haha

    “Looks like Brazil and the Falkland Islands are the South American economic models.”

    Brazil may be but Falkland, come on boy stop to smoke whatever you smoke its not doing any good.

    An Island that has the GDP of my local supermarket correction my local Coto turn over in highest that the Malvinas. An in total Coto has a turn over of $3.5 billions.

    Are you in the investment business for pennies?
    BTW Zimbabwe is the model of UK and US have you ever hear about the Quantitative easy policy in UK?

    May be the euphemism confuse you QE is equal printing money like Zimbabwe. President Mugabe want to withdraw is royalty fee to Tony Blair and Flash Gordon Brown for the printing stuff.

    Jul 15th, 2010 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • harrier61

    According to Wikipedia, GDP(PPP) per capita for Argentina is $14,560
    GDP(PPP) per capita for Venezuela is $12,201
    GDP(PPP) per capita for Falkland Islands is $25,000
    GDP(PPP) per capita for the UK is $34,619
    and GDP(PPP) per capita for the USA is $46,381.

    Jul 15th, 2010 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nicholas

    “Brazil may be but Falkland, come on boy stop to smoke whatever you smoke its not doing any good.”

    Nicodin che idiot..it's NOT Brazil may be, it is Brazil is include the Falklands (UK), Chile, Peru and Colombia are the models of economic progress. Argentina (Republic of Che idiots), Bolivia, Ecuador and Venezuela are models for populist idiots and protectionists clowns.

    Jul 15th, 2010 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @Nicholas

    Che “Nicho” Argentina is expected to grow 7% this year and last June growth was 9.78% inter annual measurement.

    What are the expectations for your country Mr. Yank wannabe miami dancer?

    Our model is quite good may be you should copy it if you don’t want to end like Zimbabwe.

    Well you are a little bit Zimbabwe right now. You print money like crazy (Zimbabwe does), they are in social chaos (Uff You are too), They have Mugabe you have Obama.

    Hey mate! If we move you to Africa would be quite difficult to distinguish who are you.

    USA the new Banana Republick by Simon Johnson ex FMI.

    Enjoy it
    For dummies yanks
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IMBipWid7k

    for normal Brits
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IMBipWid7k

    Jul 16th, 2010 - 05:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • harrier61

    Why does NicoDim keep posting links to youtube? It's a nonsense and only displays an incapacity to debate intelligibly. Who takes youtube seriously?

    Now, Argentina's GDP is about half that of the Falkland Islands and about a third that of the UK. 7% of virtually nothing is still virtually nothing.

    By the way, is it cold down your way, Nico? I hear they turned the gas off.

    Jul 16th, 2010 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @harrier61

    “to debate intelligibly”
    “7% of virtually nothing is still virtually nothing”

    To do that you need intelligent people to debate with... I don’t see anyone and you?

    And BTW 7% growth over a GDP of $1.8 trillion pesos is $126bn
    divided by 3.93 USD official exchange rate is equal 32bn dollars.

    U$s 32bn is 460 times the GDP of the F@kland Island.

    And if are thinking to compare with UK, their expectation for growth is hardly 1% what would be equal to U$s 19bn but this amount hardly will pay the interest rate for serving their external debt.

    Gas? Where I have my heating system working very well thanks for you concern, mate.

    I hope you can afford to buy the gas you need or are you burning timbers like in the middle age?

    Jul 17th, 2010 - 05:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • harrier61

    No soy exports to China in the forseeable future. Beijing has advised its company to obtain supplies from Brazil and USA. New suppliers will, of course, ensure that they are more commercially viable.

    Take a look back to 6. You will find that the Falkland Islands GDP per capita is almost twice that of Argentina.

    Glad your heating system is working. Of course, you are burning price-capped gas that would be better directed to your industries.

    Don't need gas here. It's summer.

    “To do that you need intelligent people to debate with... I don’t see anyone and you?”

    Yep. There are plenty of intelligent people. Hoytred, Beef, Islander1, Liberty to name just a few.

    Jul 17th, 2010 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    A little company with 200 employees makes more Output than the whole F@kland Island and will produce a GDP per capita than the Islanders. Lets say U$s350.000

    And that what proves? GDP per capita is the amount obtained by dividing GDP/population means output per head in theory and then converted normally into PPP or taken as nominal.

    Or do you really believe that each Islanders has a salary of 35k?
    The medium salary in US is U$s1.200 someone will get 25m like CEOs, Bankers, etc. an another hardly $10.000 at year.

    Salaries represent 10/15 % average of the total cost on manufactured products. So the total salaries paid in the Islands would be in between 640.000 to 1 million to workers.
    Who get the rest?
    Now divide 640k or 1m by the amount or workers and you will see how poor they are. Of curse the local administrative authorities will take a share and the Owners of F ltd the rest of the profits.
    Hey mate we are capitalist after all.

    Jul 17th, 2010 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • harrier61

    Very good, Nico. Now if you actually read 6, you will notice that all the figures are GDP(PPP) per capita. So now use your calculator and a bit of logic and come up with the calculations for Argentina. One small point. All the figures are for 2009, except for the Falkland Islands'. We all know that the Islanders' prosperity has increased or the past few years. The figures for the Islands are from 2005.

    Jul 17th, 2010 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    “We all know that the Islanders' prosperity has increased”
    On the contrary prosperity (I don't know why you call prosperity to this anyway) has decreased.

    Do you have the last figure please?
    certainly not! projection mate use your neurons

    Jul 18th, 2010 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • harrier61

    Since you couldn't manage it.

    2009 GDP(PPP) per capita is placed at $44,300.

    Jul 18th, 2010 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @harrier
    Still little compared with a little company in Argentina having 200 employees or nothing compared with a medium size company with similar employees to the FlanLand workforce.

    They will produce more GDP and revenues that the entire Islands so what do you want to compare or demonstrate with your pseudo prosperity?

    I can chose any Island in the world and put a bank on it, then make some transactions and “voila” I have created instantaneously rich people for the statistics (any similarity with UK is pure coincidence).

    I don’t understand why UK is considered rich, standards of living are pretty poor.

    UK has an elite very rich but a large population deprived economically you live in a dream and in a constant state of denial for decays mate.

    Time will probe how poor you are indeed.

    Jul 19th, 2010 - 04:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • harrier61

    I am afraid you are not up to it.

    Falkland Islands GDP per capita is 3 times that of Argentina. Yet another reason why FI wants nothing to do with the local banana republic.

    Wonder where you get your ideas about the UK's standard of living? The sensationalist press?

    Jul 19th, 2010 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • axel arg

    HARRIER:
    One more of your idiot and ignorant comparisons, i allready told you a couple of days ago that you can 't compare a nation of 3000 people with another of 40000000, dont you think?, in fact, if i take what you say, the islands are much more prosperous tham the u.k. at the moment, but that comparison does not have any sense.
    On the other hand, what a moron like you calls, banana republic, is the equalest nation from latin america, you can believe it or reject it, my country had lost that place in 1994 because of all the fucking neoliberal politics that lasted in argentina since 1976 untill 2002, but since last year, argentina is again the equalest nation, there is an exhaustive report made by diferent independent stadistics that belong to diferent provinces, that are oponent to the government, and wich reject the oficial manipulation of stadistics.
    Anyway, the diference betwen some southamerican countrys about their social equalitys levels are very small.
    One more time i confirm that you know just one side of our reality, however you keep on vomiting crap, maybe living in the ignorance and haughtiness could a choice for life for you.
    Anyway in spite that the social situation improved so much, we are still a very unequal society, i wish to have some day the leves of the u.k., there are one million aspects that i admire from it, but i dont make any idiot comparison like you do.

    Jul 20th, 2010 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • harrier61

    You know, axel, there were a few days when, I believe, some of us proper people thought you were making progress. BUT, you screwed it. You've even gone back to being rude every few words. Do you have to go to a clinic somewhere and get your brain washed again at intervals. Let's face it, that picture we found of you shows you're not exactly the brightest star in the Southern Cross.

    http://en.mercopress.com/2010/07/20/southern-cone-frozen-100-dead-and-thousands-of-cattle-lost

    http://en.mercopress.com/2010/07/20/southern-cone-frozen-100-dead-and-thousands-of-cattle-lost

    http://en.mercopress.com/2010/07/20/southern-cone-frozen-100-dead-and-thousands-of-cattle-lost

    http://en.mercopress.com/2010/07/20/southern-cone-frozen-100-dead-and-thousands-of-cattle-lost

    http://en.mercopress.com/2010/07/20/southern-cone-frozen-100-dead-and-thousands-of-cattle-lost

    http://en.mercopress.com/2010/07/20/southern-cone-frozen-100-dead-and-thousands-of-cattle-lost

    http://en.mercopress.com/2010/07/20/southern-cone-frozen-100-dead-and-thousands-of-cattle-lost

    http://en.mercopress.com/2010/07/20/southern-cone-frozen-100-dead-and-thousands-of-cattle-lost

    http://en.mercopress.com/2010/07/20/southern-cone-frozen-100-dead-and-thousands-of-cattle-lost

    http://en.mercopress.com/2010/07/20/southern-cone-frozen-100-dead-and-thousands-of-cattle-lost

    http://en.mercopress.com/2010/07/20/southern-cone-frozen-100-dead-and-thousands-of-cattle-lost

    http://en.mercopress.com/2010/07/20/southern-cone-frozen-100-dead-and-thousands-of-cattle-lost

    http://en.mercopress.com/2010/07/20/southern-cone-frozen-100-dead-and-thousands-of-cattle-lost

    These headlines, and others, together with the associated articles give a fairly good picture of where Argentina is. It's not pretty!

    Jul 20th, 2010 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @harrier61

    Harrier when are you going to get your head out of the box?

    UK is a decadent nation you just have to go outside and see it by you own.

    You don’t note the decadence of UK? The level of crime, poverty, the lack of infrastructure, the fall of standard of living, etc.

    Where do you live? In 40 floor of the Canary Warf?

    People from abroad note this straight forward.

    And I don’t need of the “sensationalist press” I have see it with my own eyes UK is depressing.

    OK you are not along in it many European countries are living in the middle age.

    What can we do?

    Jul 20th, 2010 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • harrier61

    Have you thought of trying to crawl out of the Dark Ages?

    Jul 20th, 2010 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    And I don’t need of the “sensationalist press” I have see it with my own eyes UK is depressing
    Argentina cant be that uplifting either
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125563769653488249.html

    Jul 20th, 2010 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • axel arg

    HARRIER.
    I must say that in any moment i thought that a fundamentalist moron like you would make any progress, i can't stop sorprising me about how you keep on understanding just what you want, maybe the two neurons that you have, can't work so hard.
    I repeat, what part you dont understand that in spite of all the progress that we had, we are still a very unequal society?, i told it yo you one million times, how many times will i have to repeat it yo you, we are not switzerland, or norway, or finland, we have many serious problems, of course that our situation is not pretty, i have allways recognized it, but i must recognize too that we had so much progress in many aspects, your problem, is that you only know one side of the reality, i can know much more than you about our reality because i live here, i dont need a silly clown like you to tell me about what's going on in my country, can you undertsand this dear harrier, or will i have to repeat it again?.

    Jul 20th, 2010 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • harrier61

    Just some minor comments.
    (1) It takes something to produce a comment consisting of one 45-word and one 141-word sentence.
    (2) If, as you suggest, I only have two neurons, I doubt there is a lot of hope for you. You intervene in this thread with a gratuitously rude attack despite the attempts I, and others, made on other threads to engage you in intelligent debate.
    (3) The only bright spot. You managed to type 159 words before descending to your usual level.

    Jul 21st, 2010 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • axel arg

    HARRIER. Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla, this is evident that for some one like you, it's allways a good strategy to play the victim, maybe i dont diserve to talk to such an intelligent man like you who makes allways great analyses, anyway i am sure than in many years i could be at your level.
    Ok, now i will say the truth, when a silly like you does not have any solid argument to hold all the crap that you parrot all the time, when you dont have not even one line of objetivity, the only thing that you can do, is understimate the opinion of those who dont think like you, maybe you still didn't understand that no one is the owner of the truth, i respect your point of view, but what i dont like from you, is that you allways understimate what i think, dont you think that i can know much more than about our reality because i live here?, i see my reality everyday, i dont need anyone who lives in another country to refute about what' going on in my country, it's very easy to criticise from another nation, when you ignore many important facts, and when you inform your self only with one website about my reality, i could never say so much about the reality of the usa, becasue i only know one side of it's reality, i dont know really if the situation of the usa is as dramatic as the media says, because i dont live there, you can give me your opinion, you know much more than me about it.
    On the other hand, you forgat to inform your self with diferent points of view, thats what i do in my country, i inform my self with those chanels that support the gov., and those that are against it, that's why i dare to say that there are planty of aspects that you ignore, with the little knowleadge that you have about my country, you can't criticise so much.

    Jul 21st, 2010 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • harrier61

    Jajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajaj, dickhead.

    Jul 21st, 2010 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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