MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Uruguayan concern with Argentine interception of vessels bound for the Falklands
Uruguay’s leading newspaper dedicated its Sunday’s editorial to the recent incident when the Argentine Navy, in shared Uruguayan-Argentine waters, forced a small merchant vessel linked to the Falklands/Malvinas Islands to identify itself and provide all the information related to cargo and destination. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI think it may be almost time for someone to send a gunboat to Montevideo.... on a goodwill visit of course....
Jul 16th, 2010 - 01:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hmm .... same ship, different locations? Think lauded the fact that the 'Anja' was not allowed to use the Strait but hade to go the long way around, and now its off the Uruguay coast .... how strange! Is this 2 incidents with one ship or one incident misreported ... or, indeed, no incident at all?
Jul 16th, 2010 - 01:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Also interesting that this report hardly mentions the Argentina/Falklands dispute but focuses on the Argentina/Uruguay situation?
el pais is yellow.
Jul 16th, 2010 - 01:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0it is the most anglophile and conservative paper. nostalgic of past times.
anja left magallanes straits to montevideo. in river plate anja is racing evading controlls. typoons are useles. no chance a carrier for anja crisis.
no chance any frigate could succed in river plate; anja is toast engines will be out.
Billy, You are an Ass - the incident took place 2 months ago - when Anja had left Montevideo heading down on her last trip towards Punta Arenas and then to Stanley - from where she then went (as planned a long time before) off charter and back to her owners - no idea where she is now but miles away I expect! We now have another ship in her place. You Navy got bugger all information on her cargo from her Captain as well - they had no need, nor right to ask - that was the responsibility of the Uruguayan port customs - not some 2-bit nutter with a gunboat! Anja did not race to avoid any controls - she obeyed the correct Uruguyan ones.
Jul 16th, 2010 - 02:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder what you will do when the oilfield off the Falklands comes on line in a few years and we start selling some of it cheap to our friends - like Uruguay?
Think is back!
Jul 16th, 2010 - 05:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0As some of you maybe noticed, I have been gone for some days………
My account was closed, under false pretences, by some overzealous employees that thought it was shrewd to silence a dissident voice..................
Fortunately, after a very positive mail exchange and a telephonic conversation with the Editor of MercoPress (-: a pleasure to have made your acquaintance Mr. G. M. :-) my account has been restored with all honours and privileges.........
My respect for this News Agency has grown considerably after their internal handling of my “exclusion”, even if we evidently stand on opposite sides of the political spectre.
They definitely provide a valuable source of information on interesting subjects from an underreported region of our planet.........
About this specific article:
(2) Hoyt
I like your line of questioning!............ Notice the finishing lines of this “editorial:
”Uruguay must be present in the zone, with its Navy and naval aviations. We’re not talking about showing the flag: the concept of sovereignty as we understand it is not picking a fight with someone, but rather all efforts directed to preserve those resources which belong to us, And that is what we must defend”
This is a ”press counteroffensive” against the tacit agreement being negotiated between our governments to take Uruguayan ports out of the “Falklands equation”.
As in Argentina, they are sectors in Uruguayan society opposed to the Malvinas/Falklands politic. (for diverse reasons)
They are not in Government at the moment but they own the biggest newspapers.
And they are free to publish whatever they wish.
But that makes it not automatically truth for the informed reader.
At least I think so :-)
“They are not in Government at the moment...”
Jul 16th, 2010 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ebbs and flows .... but they own the largest newspaper, hmmm. It seems to me that in the UK at least, the newspapers make a difference to such matters! Whether that's a good thing is a moot point. And as I've said before, truth is often just a matter of perspective!
Welcome back Think ... somehow I didn't think it would be long :-)
@Think
Jul 16th, 2010 - 08:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Welcome back, now the family is complete I’m missing Rahurie do you know anything about him?
BTW how is going the sales of your book?
I hope you are doing well may be you would make some comments about your experience as a writer. Would you?
: )
My experience tells me that if you're getting less than 12.5% in royalties then you're getting screwed by the publisher.... and don't they moan about paying!
Jul 16th, 2010 - 08:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0(6) Hoyt
Jul 16th, 2010 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
”It seems to me that in the UK at least, the newspapers make a difference to such matters!”
I say:
Not any more mate!
The monopolization that has happen during the last 30-40 years in the media have reduced radically the independence and information value of most of the classical western papers.
About being back here......
Well.....It came as a total surprise for me.
It was even asked to continue my presence in here.
I surely will, but on a very reduced scale.
No more “Turnip Surprises” for me.
(7)NicoDin
I think you must have me confused with somebody else......
About Rahurie... ...... I think he is still mortally offended by my suggestion of him being “Family” not “Clan”.
So .... your getting less than 12.5% then :-)
Jul 16th, 2010 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Think
Jul 16th, 2010 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0OK G.O. I should fire my MI5 informer I will check it out.
You cannot find HQ professionals on these days in UK. Damn it!
Anyway Hoy is right you should fire your publisher if you get less than 12.5%.
Send my greeting to Marcelo even though I never see the rubbish he made.
: )
(10) Hoyt
Jul 16th, 2010 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0If we asked some of our resident “economical geniuses” how high my royalties are they would surely conclude that:
They are at least 450% per copy.
About 1 million copies are being sold per week.
Deposits are being made on a Cuban Bank; in Rhodium bars.......
Mined from the depth of the Amazonian jungle by enslaved young virgin native girls ;-)
(11) NicoDin
The only Marcelo I know in Argentina is Levingston and he’s half British ;-)
There's plenty of room in international waters to sail through, so I cannot see why can any country be much concerned about Argentina checking who are sailing in her waters and what is carried in those ships. These checkings are also performed along the US coast by the American Coastguard heavily armed boats and no one complains...
Jul 16th, 2010 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(13) Argie
Jul 16th, 2010 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Our objective is clear:
To get the governments of our three good neighbors to “Stand by Us” politically by refusing to facilitate, participate or cooperate in any “Malvinas” related business.....
No access to any South American ports or airports to “Malvinas” transports.
Full Stop.
Humanitarian emergencies would, of course, be an exception, but companies involved will be fully billed afterwards....
The economical loss of this “marginal business” is negligible for Chile, Uruguay and Brazil, but the political value of such gesture for Argentina and the rest of South America would be enormous.
We Stand United and it ain’t costing us nothing!
But is it achieving anything? One incident with the Anja, whose captain apparently declined to supply any information and completed the journey to Stanley............... this is a success ???
Jul 16th, 2010 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for Brazil, well they may well be getting real cosy with the EU soon and Britain has already targeted them for a diplomatic push to improve relations. Weren't they Portugese once, our oldest ally? Can you trust them?
15) Hoyt
Jul 16th, 2010 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don’t be so impatient........
The inflection point was February 2010.
We are now in July 2010.
Relax and enjoy.
Nuts to you
Jul 16th, 2010 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But in Uruguay, it is often not wise to profess admiration for Brazil or, worse still, for Argentina.
This isn't just a matter of football rivalry, though that can get pretty heated. Uruguay is as physically vulnerable to its giant neighbours as a walnut caught in a nutcracker.
I hope they allow me to post. Some of my postings have been blocked; I don't have a clue why. Argentina is a country with totalitarian roots. The uruguayan government has tried to appease them, so far is inconclusive. No deals are for sure on the paper plant and the Uruguay river. Regarding the illegal harassment over international waters, the Frente Amplio has kept total silence. The Uruguayan people are fed with lies all the time.
Jul 16th, 2010 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The return of the “Non Spanish Speaking Uruguayan” :-)))
Jul 16th, 2010 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a difference this area will be if England stayed in the Falklands, Argentina and Uruguay, instead of having the bullies’ argentineans in place. We will speak English and use the pound instead the worthless “pesos”. Botox won’t be a president either.
Jul 16th, 2010 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A big proud nation of Gunga Din's :-))))
Jul 16th, 2010 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A small proud nation whose people believe in democracy, I think. Why else would Uruguay have dragged itself clear of the United Provinces? Oversaw the proper action, in accordance with international law, of the Admiral Graf Spee?
Jul 16th, 2010 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good wishes to the sovereign people of Uruguay.
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Jul 16th, 2010 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You sound exactely like old “Omma Örlikon” from Nueva Lubeka.
But she wanted us all to speak Schwiizerdütsch :-))))
22 harrier61:
Jul 16th, 2010 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In this world independence is relative. In nature the big fish eats the small one. Jose Gervasio Artigas, uruguayan leader, never wanted to be “independent” per say. He knew that Uruguay was compressed between 2 bullies, Argentina and Brazil. England at that time was a “foreign” invader, like Spain and Portugal. Finally the Banda Oriental ended as island. Today we're slaves of the big boys, one in the north and the worst of both in the west, Argentina. If Artigas was still alive today, for sure he’d rather be with England, than sell our sovereignty to them for “pesos”.
Maybe Uruguay could be British? Wouldn't that be fun :-)
Jul 17th, 2010 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0(25)....
Jul 17th, 2010 - 08:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0And why not German?
Who on earth would want to be German? Crap football team and awful beer! They actually have some good wine but they keep it to themselves ..... :-)
Jul 17th, 2010 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0@24. What you need is some nice overseas friends. Friends you can trade with without bothering about your big neighbours.
Jul 17th, 2010 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course, having certain friends may make you a little unpopular, but technologically-advanced friends with access to naval and aviation facilities could be very useful.
(27) Hoyt
Jul 17th, 2010 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Using your own parameters:
Football:
Germany: 4’th place
England: 7’th place
Clear Winner: GERMANY
Beer:
German Beer: 8 points (out of 10)
British Beer: 5 points (and I’m being polite!)
Clear Winner: GERMANY
Wine:
German Wine: 7 points (out of 10)
British Wine: Wine?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:English_Wine_Shop_on_way_to_Rohtang.jpg
Clear Winner: GERMANY
British Army of the Rhine: 1919-1929 and 1945-1995.
Jul 17th, 2010 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0British Forces Germany: 1995 to date.
Clear Winner: ?
Nice one harrier ... but as for Think!
Jul 17th, 2010 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Germany lost ... ok, not to us but that's not the point! And their lager is shite, 'cos all lager is shite ... now if we are talking beer then we are talking ale! Nobody does it better than us! .... pity I can't get it here, but then I occassionally make do with Guinness :-)
I concede the wine!
(31)
Jul 17th, 2010 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still using your own parameters:
Football:
Germany: 3 World Cups
England: 1 Word Cup
Clear Winner: GERMANY
Beer:
Ale is an acquired taste....... A difficult one to master....
Britain ruled most of the World during more than 200 years and teached us a few things but even so; the majority of the inhabitants of this planet would rather drink urine from one of Escobar’s Colombian Hippopotamus than a tepid English Ale :-)
Clear Winner: GERMANY
29 Think:
Jul 17th, 2010 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentinian beer, Quilmes and others made with Riachuelo water-100
32 Think:
Jul 17th, 2010 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'd agree with the taste. I can't stand the stuff. Somehow it seems to make money. My dad likes british ale mixed with lager. I had the misfortune of drinking one of his bottles once.
:-)
Jul 17th, 2010 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Didn't the captains of this vessels know about the travel status quo of the area ? I mean, the reports in regards to anyone traveling to and from Malvinas must go a stict scrutiny before arriving to ports, This is not like the Iroquois Nationals lacross team, who where arvitraritly, indiscriminately barred from flying to UK for the wold cup lacross turnament. http://www.fresnobee.com/2010/07/15/2008090/iroquois-nationals-stopped-by.html?storylink=mirelated
Jul 17th, 2010 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0this are ships who knowingly took all illegal actions, including the complains to government institutions to harras Latin American population in an attept to divide popular opinions.
after watching the illegal british colonsy use children as ponds to legimize their land grab attempt, we can expect anything from UK.
http://www.fresnobee.com/2010/07/15/2008090/iroquois-nationals-stopped-by.html?storylink=mirelated
enought with the dubblestandars, equal rights for all or refuge for none.
Hey gassy. Could you translate your latest little rant into English?arvitraritly - ? complains - ? attept - ? ponds - ? dubblestandars - ?
Jul 17th, 2010 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By the way, did the vessel use an Argentine port?
how lazy can someone be, harrier thinks someone will take the time to google the spelling for him ? I did my part by thinking and puting into word for all brits to see and all they understood was arvitraritly ! complains ! attept ! ponds ! dubblestandars !, I can see how that happened, since all those words seem to be synonyms for british.
Jul 17th, 2010 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“equal rights for al”
Jul 17th, 2010 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Self determination is a right.
Unfortunately gassy, only two of those words are English. And, used where you used them, they make no sense.
Jul 17th, 2010 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fortunately, we only need one word as a synonym for one particular Argentine - STUPID!
And did the Argentinian quasi blockade stop the ship from going about its lawful business?.... no it did not. The only blockades that work are 'hot' blockades such as the ones the UK applied to Germany in two world wars and the one the US applied in the Cuban missile crisis. For an example of a futile blockade you have to look no further than the UKs Beira blockade from the mid 60s onwards... looked good... achieved little. This may be why we are hearing no more about the Argentinian one....
Jul 17th, 2010 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@avargas2001
Jul 18th, 2010 - 01:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dont worry mait!
Harrier shurely anderstant yor Inglish as It is similar tu aur languich.
Inglish is a derivashion of aur espanish plas, French, Latin and sam German words.
Dey hav the seim problem at houm dey ca not anderstant ich adedr in deir ound cauntry.
I min in UK. Mey bi Harrier did not go tu escul or hi is fron de cautry sai or yast estupid.
Maik ior chois.
Ay Si iu laiter -:)
Think, the Germans may be good at our national sport but we beat them both times at theirs!
Jul 18th, 2010 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0And you are all wrong about lager, it has no flavour which is why it has to be served cold ... so your taste buds freeze up (they put ice cubes in your glass here!). Now a pint of Old Hookey or Vicar's Ruin at a shade below room temperature is spot on.
Heathens ... :-)
Lager vs Ale....
Jul 18th, 2010 - 05:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0My personal opinion is very close to this guy’s:
http://cryptobrewology.com/show-article.php?The_Lager_Debate_-_Lager_vs._Ale,_which_is_better?
For simple undeveloped embryonic unsophisticated mass beer palates opinion read : (34)
And............ you should try to integrate a little more into local mentality (jiiiks..ice in the beer :-(
Ever tried a Mongolian bow ?!
Spruce beer
Jul 18th, 2010 - 06:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Prevents scurvy,good for us “ENGLISH PIRATES” ;-)
These are Good and Relevant News, Merco Press.....
Jul 18th, 2010 - 06:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.ansa.it/ansalatina/notizie/rubriche/mercosur/20100716190135114647.html
“Verdadera Integración Latinoamericana”
And all happening next to you, in Montevideo.
Think - your link is to a Home Brewing site .... are you mad?
Jul 18th, 2010 - 07:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lager -“ .. In 1953, New Zealander Morton W. Coutts developed a process known as continuous fermentation. Continuous fermentation allowed the production of lager at a much faster pace, albeit with a reduction in flavor development...”
Ale - “ ... a beer with slightly ”fruity“ compounds resembling but not limited to apple, pear, pineapple, banana, plum or prune. Typical ales have a sweeter, fuller mouthfeel than lagers...”
The God Wiki has spoken ..... nuff said!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ale
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ale
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ale
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ale
Can’t wait to taste a Shandy with this SA stuff!
Jul 18th, 2010 - 07:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0”A South-Amerindian affront to Western Imperialism”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/14/coca-colla-real-thing-bolivia
I just wonder if these lads are not taking coca-colla everyday.
Jul 18th, 2010 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Guys you have to drink it so pullout the bottle from your nose. Would you please?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3J9v13Ihrk&feature=related
@42
Jul 18th, 2010 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@avargas2001
Dont worry mait!
Harrier shurely anderstant yor Inglish as It is similar tu aur languich.
Inglish is a derivashion of aur espanish plas, French, Latin and sam German words.
Dey hav the seim problem at houm dey ca not anderstant ich adedr in deir ound cauntry.
I min in UK. Mey bi Harrier did not go tu escul or hi is fron de cautry sai or yast estupid.
Maik ior chois.
Ay Si iu laiter -:)
Good to see all you people keeping down to your own level together. Another one joins the STUPID clan.
36 avargas2001 & the argentinian gang:
Jul 19th, 2010 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was watching Uruguayan Public channel, last Sunday. They were talking about historical places in Uruguay. One of them was the first tourist hotel outside Montevideo. The Biltmore opened its doors in 1872, catered mainly to the English that built 99% of Uruguay's infrastructure. Argentina too received the benefits of trains, gas company, trolleys, etc. from English investments. Obviously times have changed and today Argentina’s circle of influence is affecting the whole region for worse and not for better.
Oh God, now we're going to be blamed for building yet another country's infrastructure. Is there no end to the (in)gratitude?
Jul 19th, 2010 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#51 I think South America's future is looking a lot better now that they open the doors to the world rather then catering to a group, it might be worse for the group in question now, but you know what they say about putting all your eggs in one basket, as you pointed out Uruguay and Argentina had serious relations in the past, but as you also pointed out, it's just part of history ever since we figure out UK kept taking the basket.
Jul 22nd, 2010 - 06:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0things have changed we have laws now, if this pirat in these vessels would have tryed that same stunt in UK .or Israel he would of being deported jailed or killed.
take the Iroquois National lacrosse team this week,
http://buffalopost.net/?cat=311
or the Gaza Liberation flotilla,
http://buffalopost.net/?cat=311
I think people who purpossely break the laws to cause confrontation between neighbouring nations should be summarily jailed or deported.
Yep. South America's, and in particular Argentina's, future is looking so much brighter.
Jul 22nd, 2010 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0A couple of dictatorships with democratic trappings. Trade restrictions. Loss of major export markets. Over-fishing. Impending failure of energy supplies. Arrival of major foreign facilities to use remaining resources, employ local peasants and suck out remaining money. What could be better?
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