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Argentina puts off plans to float its first international bond since 2001

Tuesday, August 3rd 2010 - 00:12 UTC
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Argentina is drawing on central bank profits to meet financing needs, putting off plans to sell its first international bond since 2001 as yields tumble. The central bank’s board on July 29 approved a transfer of 3 billion pesos (762 million USD) from the bank’s 23.5 billion pesos in 2009 profits to the government, following a 1.5 billion peso transfer in February, spokesman Fernando Meanos said. Read full article

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  • Think

    The only right thing to do in today's international bond market.
    Let's continue to pay due debt in cash for as long as possible......
    Those 3-4 billion due in the next 12 months should not have any inflationary effect....
    I hope:-)

    Aug 03rd, 2010 - 04:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • fredbdc

    This is like throwing gas on the fire. Inflation is already out of control and this is only going to compound the situation. A wage increase of 4+% in a month is saying the economy is overheating and if your gov't doesn't get it under control shortly you'll end up like Venezuela.

    Aug 03rd, 2010 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Like Venezuela ! ...Really! ... Hope so!...
    Would really like to sit on the worlds biggest confirmed oil reserves:-)

    Aug 03rd, 2010 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • fredbdc

    You may have pretty large oil and gas reserves but that won't be determined until the Ks leave or they get a big enough cut of the business to let exploration begin again.
    It is easy for you to deflect and joke but that is why your country is such a disaster.

    Aug 03rd, 2010 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    With a “Fox Pundit” like you, the only possible communication is through jokes and deflection..........

    Aug 03rd, 2010 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • fredbdc

    It is too bad you don't have a Fox type station in Argentina to keep the crooks from stealing your country blind. I am thankful for FOX here in The USA. If not for FOX we wouldn't know all of the horrible stuff our current Socialist/Marxist President has in store for us. Most Americans don't want our country to be like yours.

    Aug 03rd, 2010 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Like this?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa69puS7J0Q&NR=1

    Aug 03rd, 2010 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • fredbdc

    Jon Stewart is a comedian and Howard Dean is insane. As I have said before, I don't want or need public health care. How are your public hospitals in Argentina? From what I have seen they are pretty scary, with out of date equipment, crumbling buildings and un-knowledgeable staff. I would never go in them.
    As I said most people in the USA do not want Gov't controlling any part of our lives we are not and don't want to become Argentina.

    Aug 03rd, 2010 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    But 50.000.000 uninsured Americans want and need public health care.
    Besides.......
    I would “ Think ” that you should use the Canadian or the British Health care systems as examples.
    Those should be more adequate for your mentality + they are some of the best in the world.

    Aug 03rd, 2010 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • harrier61

    What a shame!! The time to “float” something is when no-one can see the hole in the bottom.

    Take your time Argentina. Glug..glug..glug.

    Aug 03rd, 2010 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • fredbdc

    If you followed the news you would know both systems are scaling back and if the Canadian system was so great why do so many cross the border to get their operations done in the US?
    That 50M number is also extremely exaggerated, are you getting your information from that fat communist pig Michael Moore?
    Try here, it is a much more informative site:
    http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10449

    Aug 03rd, 2010 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    My numbers are conservative accorcing to Wikipedia....
    At least 15.3% of the population is completely uninsured, and a substantial additional portion of the population (35%) is “underinsured”, or not able to cover the costs of their medical needs. More money per person is spent on health care in the United States than in any other nation in the world. A 2001 study in five states found that medical debt contributed to 62% of all personal bankruptcies. Since then, health costs and the numbers of uninsured and underinsured have increased.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_the_United_States

    Aug 04th, 2010 - 08:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • fredbdc

    WIkipedia is about as accurate as the Journolist, read the Cato paper. The problem with the internet is that nothing is verified and there is no source material. You are as bad as Nico getting all of his US and UK info from You Tube.
    Anyway I have seen first hand what Socialism does to health care, the hospital and doctors are poor quality and no medial innovation comes from the countries. Can you name one drug invented in Argentina? I bet not.

    Aug 04th, 2010 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • RA9212

    Fox News is an absolute joke whether in the US or anywhere else. First there is Bill O'Reilly, the worlds foremost hypocrite who can't keep his hands to himself or anything else in his pants, but somehow he has an opinion and can judge everyone else. Fox news, like most of the newspapers owned by Murdoch is nothing more than yellow journalism.

    As Argentina is not your country Fred, I wholeheartedly recommend you focus on your own. Why do you care or even have an opinion about a country at the other end of the hemisphere? Argentina is neither a military/political threat or particularly strategic for the US nor is it, quite frankly, all that important in terms of trade. What Argentina does or does not do with its resources is none of your business or concern.

    Aug 04th, 2010 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • fredbdc

    RA, I find Argentina fascinating a country. It's a (somewhat) literate population and large producing farmland that made so many wrong turns along the way that they are now one of the poorest countries in the world. I love reading about the corruption and the public manipulation. I think CFK was right when she called Obama a Peronist and I don't want the USA to end up like Argentina. So it is fun to watch the parallels. Luckily, we are not as easily manipulated as their population and should have our problem fixed by next year.
    Bill O'Reilly is a commentator if you don't know the difference between a reporter and a commentator you need go back to watching cartoons.

    Aug 04th, 2010 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • RA9212

    I know very well who Bill O'Reilly is and what he does. I find it amusing how you attempt to denigrate by inferring I watch cartoons. Rest assured I know far more about what is happening in the US and am extremely well educated, well traveled, and well read. I asked a simple, concrete question and did not insult your intellect, you are entitled to your opinion of FOX as am I.

    If you are so concerned about the US becoming like Argentina, I invite you to get off the couch and do something about it rather than waste time on this forum poking fun at a country and its culture. Join the Tea Party movement if this is such a burning concern.

    If, as you claim in other postings, you have been to Argentina you will know it is one of the largest media markets in Latin America, and has the highest ciculation newspaper in the Spanish speaking world. It also has a 97.2% literacy rate which you will find on the CIA World Factbook given your stated distrust of Wikipedia as a source. I believe that it is more than a 'somewhat' literate population when the US itself has 99% literacy.

    Aug 04th, 2010 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • fredbdc

    The media market may be large but your government has a nasty way of dealing with opposition. How about killing reporters, trying to control the newspaper paper companies and ink, taking away broadcasting rights, harassing the owners family through the courts, just to name a few. Peron set the tone and all of your governments followed along but the population is too ignorant to do anything about it.
    Your population may be literate it's just not well educated, America Faculty of Social Sciences (FLACSO) reported that only 36 percent of children finish their 12 years of primary and secondary schooling on time. The people who used to work in my house could barely read or write.

    Aug 04th, 2010 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • RA9212

    So you extrapolate from the two individuals in your house that the whole country is poorly educated? According to the 2009 OECD report the US is below the OECD average in science and math. In fact the US ranks 21st out of 33 countries in science and 26th out of 33 in math. The report also shows how the poverty rate and poverty gap are substantially worse in the US than all OECD countries, the majority of which are supposed peer industrialized nations. Therefore using your logic I could surmise that the US is also an increasingly uneducated country. Given the economic crisis and the rising cost of a college education, it is safe to say that this disparity with peer nations will continue grow.

    Regarding political interference in the media, you are correct to point out that under the current administration this has worsened and this will need to be reversed. There are many things that need to change, including the law that governs how government advertising funds are distributed to all media outlets (pro and anti-government alike). However, lest you forget, it was the Bush administration that attempted to incarcerate New York Times journalist Judith Miller for refusing to name her source in a 2005 piece under the pretense of national security, hardly an example of the government keeping its hands off the media.

    We could do this all day going back and forth with statistics and facts. However, it will do nothing to resolve the problems in either country.

    Aug 04th, 2010 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    RA9212
    Well formulated texts.
    Nice to have a Thinking person on board.
    Welcome

    Aug 04th, 2010 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • harrier61

    @ fredbdc. Did you believe you were going to get through? Argentines may be literate, i.e. able to read and write, but educated is a different matter. Face it, once you've rewritten your history and your text books, what's left isn't really education.

    Aug 04th, 2010 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    THIMC
    I remember “Fredbdc” commenting in one of his previous posts about corruption in Argentina......
    He mentioned his “Driver” having to pay bribes to a “Policeman” every time he returned home to one of the affluent Suburbs of north Buenos Aires.....
    That’s the oldest trick on the Book!!
    This “Executive Yanks” usually hire some corrupt ex policeman as a “Driver”/ “Bodyguard”......
    They end being ripped off by their “loyal servants” that arrange those daily “bribe shows” with their “mates” and usually also organize the assaults and kidnappings of those “Rich American Cash Cows”......
    Well Fredbc....... If you choose to hire and work together with criminals.... expect to be robbed......
    (I, personally, never paid a bribe in Argentina)

    Aug 05th, 2010 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • fredbdc

    RA, Since the USA is very large and very rich the international statistics do not correlate very well. Suffice it to say on an annual basis we always are granted more patents than any other country and most of the technology you use everyday was created by an American.
    Your feeble attempt to show my gov't harassment of the media really doesn't pertain, she outed a spy and put a life at risk. If it were up to me she would have been shot as a traitor just like the current wikileak provider should be.
    Think, If that is “one of the oldest tricks in the book” that proves my point that your society is putrid and rotten to its very core with corruption.

    Aug 05th, 2010 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    How surprising.............

    The same man that declares that he wants to shot journalists and whistle-blowers in USA tries to lecture me about my “society being putrid and rotten to its very core with corruption”

    Glen Beck anybody?

    Aug 05th, 2010 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • fredbdc

    Do you have another solution for a traitor? At least in my country they get a trial they are not killed on the street.

    Aug 05th, 2010 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    You mena like JFK?

    Aug 05th, 2010 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • fredbdc

    i don't get it? Is that supposed to be a joke? Deflect and Joke when you can't debate how nice.

    Aug 05th, 2010 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Didn't you kill that JFK traitor on the streets?

    Aug 06th, 2010 - 07:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    No, a person did. Not the nation.

    Aug 06th, 2010 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (26)Fredbdc

    Yesteryear, John Fitzgerald Kennedy was “branded” as a Traitor by the “Christian Conservatives”.
    http://www.prosebeforehos.com/image-of-the-day/10/20/the-price-of-encouraging-political-violence/

    Today, Barak Hussein Obama is “branded” as a Traitor by the “Christian Conservatives”.
    http://www.prosebeforehos.com/image-of-the-day/10/20/the-price-of-encouraging-political-violence/

    Get my point?

    Aug 06th, 2010 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • fredbdc

    Your point is as ridiculous as you are, but since you live in a country that doesn't respect laws or the courts I can see how you can make these mistakes.

    Aug 06th, 2010 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Again......... a man that wishes to kill american Journalists and Whistle Blowers tries to lecture me about Laws and Courts.....

    Aug 06th, 2010 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • harrier61

    What would you know about Laws and Courts, Twinky? Apart from the words.

    Aug 06th, 2010 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • fredbdc

    I have no problem with the death penalty it is practiced in many of our states when CONVICTED of Murder and by the Federal Gov't for Treason. Point being you have to be CONVICTED, understand? Maybe change your moniker to Thick instead of Think its more accurate.

    Aug 06th, 2010 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Ahhhhh You mean properly CONVICTED............. as under your good friend McCarthy?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthism

    Good that he couldn't get through to send this “Traitors” to the electric chair....

    Nelson Algren, writer
    Elmer Bernstein, composer and conductor
    Leonard Bernstein, composer and conductor
    Charlie Chaplin, actor and director
    Aaron Copland, composer
    Bartley Crum, attorney
    Howard Da Silva, actor
    Jules Dassin, director
    Dolores del Río, actress
    W. E. B. Du Bois, civil rights activist and author
    Howard Fast, writer
    John Garfield, actor
    Jack Gilford, actor
    Ruth Gordon, actress
    Lee Grant, actress
    Dashiell Hammett, author
    Elizabeth Hawes, clothing designer, author, equal rights activist
    Lillian Hellman, playwright
    Lena Horne, singer
    Langston Hughes, writer
    Sam Jaffe, actor
    Garson Kanin, writer and director
    Gypsy Rose Lee, actress and ecdysiast
    Cornelius Lanczos, mathematician and physicist
    Arthur Laurents, playwright
    Philip Loeb, actor
    Joseph Losey, director
    Burgess Meredith, actor
    Arthur Miller, playwright and essayist
    Zero Mostel, actor
    J. Robert Oppenheimer, physicist, scientific director of the Manhattan Project
    Dorothy Parker, writer
    Linus Pauling, chemist, winner of two Nobel prizes
    Martin Ritt, actor and director
    Paul Robeson, actor, athlete, singer, writer, political and civil rights activist
    Edward G. Robinson, actor
    Waldo Salt, screenwriter
    Pete Seeger, folk singer
    Artie Shaw, jazz musician
    Irwin Shaw, writer
    William L. Shirer, journalist
    Paul Sweezy, economist and founder-editor of Monthly Review
    Tsien Hsue-shen, physicist
    Orson Welles, actor, writer, and director

    .......The world had been a lesser place without them......

    Aug 06th, 2010 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • fredbdc

    Again you prove my point, there were not convicted so they didn't die. But they were harassed by the government but we LEARNED from that and moved on. Too bad your population won't learn and forbid your government from harassing its opposition. I find it very troubling that the Obama administration harasses FOX it is a dangerous road but it will be corrected in November and I think they may have already learned that it only makes FOX stronger when they do it.

    Aug 06th, 2010 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    YOU learned NOTHING my friend........ Your Fox mentality is a perfect revival of the atmosphere of the 50's.
    Now the communists are gone....
    Who do YOU use?..... Ahhhhh Arabs...... AhhhhLatinos......

    Aug 06th, 2010 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • fredbdc

    Does Fox broadcast in Argentina or do you get your opinion from MSNBC or Huff Post?
    As with any country we have to have our external enemies to unite the population, just like you do with the UK. Although we are more justified with the Taliban.
    We don't hate Latinos we hate illegal immigrants ,totally different, there are a lot of races that make up illegals it just depends on what part of the country you live in. Like the estimated 250K illegals Argentinians living in Miami, your former Doctors or Economists mowing our lawns.

    Aug 06th, 2010 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Some pearls from fredbdc “Cro-Magnon” mentality

    “Does Fox broadcast in Argentina?”...............
    Erhhh........ I don't know....... I use Broadband

    “As with any country we have to have our external enemies to unite the population”.................
    Urghhh .....Kill Kill Kill...

    “Like the estimated 250K illegals Argentinians living in Miami, your former Doctors or Economists mowing our lawns.”
    Uhhhh..... You enjoy that.... Huhhhh...... Rich Yank with brown servants....No wonder that your Argentinian love send you to hell :-)

    Aug 06th, 2010 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • fredbdc

    My Argentinian love is here with me, thanks for asking! Do you really think I would have left someone I care about in that horrible country? We have a Peruvian maid now though. Yes I do love having people do my manual labor. Throughout history there has always be an underclass to do the work that the productive part of society doesn't have the time to do. Right now it just happens to be Latin Americans since are the cheapest best manual laborers around.
    If you have never seen a Fox news broadcast how do you know it so well? They only have clips on their site which doesn't give you the whole picture. Are you taking your talking points from MSNBC or Huff Post that's where most of the Socialists get their so called news.

    Aug 06th, 2010 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Seems to be that I stepped on a big dog-shit!
    Yessss .........I have

    Aug 06th, 2010 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Liberty

    16 RA9212 and your KIND:

    Many like you tried to bring down the country that made this world special. Thanks United States of America and ALL the people that make you the greatest nation on earth. Argentina and the rest of Southamericans are wanna bes.

    Aug 06th, 2010 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Glover said he thought that a “prolonged stand-off” was more likely than an armed conflict, although “some form of hostilities” coming from Argentina “cannot be ruled out,” for which the UK should “send further aircraft and more naval vessels to persuade Argentina and its South American friends that it means business.”

    “The 32 Latin American and Caribbean governments appear to be so blinded by colonial grievances and their minds stuffed with anti colonial-rhetoric, that they missed the point,” he said, referring to the unanimous condemnation of the UK's drilling activities around the islands.

    “The Falklands have never been part of Argentina. There were no natives to be deprived by ruthless colonialists of their land,” he adds, and states that “the inhospitable islands were developed by British people.”

    “Their descendants, and later arrivals, regard themselves as thoroughly British,” he explains.

    ”Argentina's unwavering obsession with the (Falklands) 300 miles from her coast seems almost to border on the psychotic,”

    Aug 07th, 2010 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    THIMC

    It must be hard for a “Conservative Christian” like fredbdc to live in a Country ruled by a democratically elected descendant of , as he himself defines them in (39): “An underclass to do the work that the productive part of society doesn't have the time to do”.
    Let's pick on Argentina.... That's easier :-)

    It must be hard for a “Fervent American Anticommunist” like liberty, who fantasies about killing babies and burning huts in Gook-nam, to live in a Country ruled by an democratically elected incorruptible and beloved socialistic Freedom-Fighter.
    Let's pick on Argentina.... That's easier :-)

    Critic from people like you ...... shows me clearly that I am in the right path.......
    Thanks.......

    Aug 07th, 2010 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    argie nightmare

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-10900288

    Aug 07th, 2010 - 09:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • harrier61

    Argentina today!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeFH93vsm9Q

    Aug 07th, 2010 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    “democratically elected incorruptible and beloved socialistic Freedom-Fighter”

    As far as i was aware obama's not doing well in the oppinion polls.

    Aug 07th, 2010 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (46)Zethe

    You demostrate time after time what a Turnip you are.....

    The “democratically elected incorruptible and beloved socialistic Freedom-Fighter” that rules URUGUAY, country of residence of LIBERTY is Sr. PEPE MUJICA, not Mr. BARAK OBAMA.

    http://en.mercopress.com/2010/06/05/uruguayan-president-mujica-only-asset-is-a-1987-vw-beatle

    Aug 07th, 2010 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • fredbdc

    Think, I don't know how you could logically get from my statements to yours. You are right I don't like Obama, not because of his genetics but because he is a Socialist/Marxist.
    Once we take back control of Congress we can de-fund all of the b/s he has inflicted on us. In fact I hope Marco Rubio wins in FL (gasp) Cuban decent but he is a well educated American with conservative ideals.
    It is easy to pick on Argentina it is such a mess and there are always lots of idiots that think it is a paradise.

    Aug 07th, 2010 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Seems to be that I stepped on a big doublespeaking dog-shit again!
    Yessss .........I have

    Aug 07th, 2010 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • harrier61

    Twinky. A proponent of Argentine double-gov-speak. No honesty. No debater. No ability. No useful references. Just a smart-ass conspiracy theorist with delusions of grandeur spouting Argentine government propaganda.

    Aug 07th, 2010 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    A “Think” after-rationalization of points (11), (12) and (13) on this thread

    At (13) Mr. Fred Bates (fredbdc) complains that :
    ”Wikipedia is about as accurate as the Journalist.....
    The problem with the internet is that nothing is verified and there is no source material.”

    At (12) “Think” (me) utilizes an Wikipedia.org article that has a list of: 237 References”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_the_United_States

    At (11) “fredbdc” utilizes an Cato.org article that has a list of: 0 References
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_the_United_States

    Yes Mr. Bates; Internet is a problem ....... for people like you...........

    Aug 07th, 2010 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • harrier61

    Another esoteric interjection from Twinky boy!

    Aug 08th, 2010 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @fredbdc

    1- We don’t hate latinos either so don’t be afraid my friend we will not eat you even if you come from Miami.

    2- “You are as bad as Nico getting all of his US and UK info from You Tube”

    No. No. No mate you surely don’t know UK and you have your brain washed by the US neocon propaganda I can see you voting for bush again in the next elections.

    If so, I mean the fact to know UK, you could compare and see the type crappy and 3er world type health care system you have in US. And in UKI the system is running by the estate like here and they don’t have either the cutting edge tech in their hospitals I can assured that. And don’t try with France because you will be like Africa.

    So ask to your self this question how a country like US the biggest economy in the world 30 times bigger than the Argentina economy has close the same Life expectancy than Argentina? US 77 Argentina 76.76 years.

    Here from Routers http://www.visualeconomics.com/healthcare-costs-around-the-world_2010-03-01/

    4- “It's a (somewhat) literate population”
    oh my god the smart well educate yank have spoken.

    Since when Americans are well educated? When that had happened?

    Come on mate stop to make a fool of yourself please.

    5- “I don't want the USA to end up like Argentina”
    Is Cristina Kirchner ruling US know?. I’m not quite sure after your post.

    6- “most of the technology you use everyday was created by an American” let me see...
    Industrialization, Car, OS Linux, mysql, HTML, miniaturization, cell phone, jets engines, guns, gun power Chinese, CDs, rockets, medicines, submarine, ships, robots, tool machinery, cryptography ...

    I’ve got it big Mac hamburger but wait a minute sounds pretty German I guess what do you think?
    I don’t see any American thing around here and you?

    Aug 09th, 2010 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    “If so, I mean the fact to know UK, you could compare and see the type crappy and 3er world type health care system you have in US. And in UKI the system is running by the estate like here and they don’t have either the cutting edge tech in their hospitals I can assured that. And don’t try with France because you will be like Africa.”

    According to the world health organisation France has the best healthcare system in the world. The united kingdom 18'th, USA 37'th. Argentina 75'th.

    Your continuing use of the term “third world” just shows your stupidity. Do you even know what it means?

    In the cold war the world was split into three “sections” first world nations included America and it's allies, the second world was Russia and it's allies, the third world was all neutral nations. It has nothing to do with a nations wealth, power or healthcare systems.

    You should read more, you continue to make your self look stupid.

    Aug 10th, 2010 - 01:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • fredbdc

    Think, thanks for cyber stalking me! Pretty rude but I don't expect anything less from a sudaca grosero.
    Nico: Do some research on the products you mentioned. I won't debate you it is like arguing with a dumb animal and gets me no where.
    Glad to see your basic food basket went up 35% this MONTH. If the Ks aren't careful they will make Argentina the country with the most inflation in SA rather than Venezuela.

    Aug 10th, 2010 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    I forgot, nico. Given what i just told you in my last post, Argentina is a third world country, all of south america was neutral and therefore a third world country.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:First_second_third_worlds_map.svg

    Blue - First world
    Red - Second world
    Green - Third world

    I think this should give you a little bit of perspective. You use the term in a derogative way and in doing so you insult your own country as you were infact, a third world nation. After the Cold war first, second and thrid world lost it's meaning.

    Aug 10th, 2010 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @zethe

    You didn’t understand my post in fact I’m saying that UK has a better health care system than US, mate read it again please. So I don’t understand why you are so piss off.

    About your 3er world stuff yes you are right in the beginning was a political position representing a 3er independent position but the Neocon’s media and politician in US and UK used the term as a derogative thing meaning marginalization, poverty and inequality.

    Well is what is happening now in US and UK so you are turning into the new 3er world (according with your own definition). It’s that simple as you call the southern countries in Europe PIGS is very funny but I don’t know why you have excluded UK from the PIGS or PIIGS club. When having the same problems. Double standard and hypocrisy perhaps?

    About your opinion about Argentina I don’t care really and I doubt that anyone cares about the opinions of yanks or Brits here.

    But if you want, I will make you happy by making you feel a little bit superior, because you seem to need some confidence on yourself and know that you are not ready living in a 3er world country.
    So here I go:

    Argentina is the poorest country in the world, uneducated, corrupted, full of criminals, and full of black nazis. So I must recommend you to don’t come down here please because can be very dangerous for a “superior well educated white person” like you mate.

    Don’t bother yourself any more we are not interested and we don’t care on what happen with you, your country, your opinions, etc.

    So why are you expending your time on us? Do you have a pshicological problem?

    @ fredbdc

    Who cares if you debate or not? Why you don’t use your time to resolve the problem in USA instead of putting your nose in other people stuff?

    Are you Brit? No! So what are you doing here?
    Stay in Miami dancing salsa mate we don’t care.
    About the inventions you need to make a research your propaganda had killed you or you believe that Henry Ford invented the car? Sure you do...

    Aug 11th, 2010 - 05:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    Dear Nico.

    You are a complete idiot, i JUST explained to you what the first second and third world means. It was, and has always been a political stance for nations, after the Cold war it lost all meaning and is null and void.

    The UK and US can not turn into thrid world country because the first second and third world does no longer exist. Even if the cold war was still going the only way for us to change “worlds” was if we was to become neutral or allied with russia.

    Un-educated people still use the term third world country in a derogative, By doing so you not only show your intelligence, but insult your own country, as Argentina is a “Third world country”.

    “It’s that simple as you call the southern countries in Europe PIGS”
    Thats a lie, i've never said that. I often visit europe and enjoy it. I'm visiting france in a month.

    How can you keep insulting the US' healthcare system when the list clearly shows you are way fruther down the list? Throwing stone again, Whats it like to live in a glass house?

    Aug 11th, 2010 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @ Dear zethe

    1- If you one day have a health problem (I hope not) and you are so unfortunate to be in US without a insurance or coverage paid from your wallet you will see how reliable is that list.

    By paying you or me can have excellent health care in any part of the world including a couple of nurses Playboy magazine style and a bottle of champagne. the problem is people that cannot pay or is uncovered. In US there are 60m of people without coverage.

    Entire families in US have been destroyed financially for dealing with health problem and even though having a health insurance. The company easy can deny to cover the cost.

    If this is for you a good system what can I say?
    How do you call this?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4kbag-f3K8

    And this?
    In an hour 10.050 go bankrupt because of their health insurance bills.. in a day 50 dies due to not access to medical treatment.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4kbag-f3K8

    2- Americans themselves are seeing how US is turning to a 3er world country you can hear Jon Voight saying that.

    We are seeing US and UK turning into a 3er world country. If everyone has the same perception you will be a 3er world country don’t matter what you do, think or say. And when that happens all capital financing your fiesta will be gone.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4kbag-f3K8

    3- PIIGS or PIGS stand for Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece and Spain anachronism used by the British media to point out the trouble financial states of these countries. What is funny its that UK has the same problem but even worse.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4kbag-f3K8

    4-“Whats it like to live in a glass house?”
    Beautiful and very sunny, thanks.
    BTW tell me What's like to live without a house in UKI?

    Welcome to the 3er world mate.

    Aug 12th, 2010 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    Nico, You live in a third world country, Your healthcare system is notably lower on the list than the USA's.

    Aug 12th, 2010 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @zethe

    haha I know your health care system in London and is pretty like here and some places are even worse.

    What are you comparing a hospital in nowhere in Chaco with a 1er class clinic in London?

    As seems for you that good medicine relay just on infrastructure, building and fancy flat screen, etc

    Let’s make a little survey on that area.

    Your best neurological center in UKI is this NHNN http://www.uclh.nhs.uk/CmsImages/851D3FB5-0894-461C-991D-90F1BD441E10/94661/175/0/NHNN2.gif

    One in Argiland
    http://www.uclh.nhs.uk/CmsImages/851D3FB5-0894-461C-991D-90F1BD441E10/94661/175/0/NHNN2.gif
    http://www.uclh.nhs.uk/CmsImages/851D3FB5-0894-461C-991D-90F1BD441E10/94661/175/0/NHNN2.gif

    Can you see the difference in size infrastructure, etc?

    Do you need more comparatives because if full of hospital, clinics and doctors down here?

    http://www.uclh.nhs.uk/CmsImages/851D3FB5-0894-461C-991D-90F1BD441E10/94661/175/0/NHNN2.gif
    http://www.uclh.nhs.uk/CmsImages/851D3FB5-0894-461C-991D-90F1BD441E10/94661/175/0/NHNN2.gif
    http://www.uclh.nhs.uk/CmsImages/851D3FB5-0894-461C-991D-90F1BD441E10/94661/175/0/NHNN2.gif
    http://www.uclh.nhs.uk/CmsImages/851D3FB5-0894-461C-991D-90F1BD441E10/94661/175/0/NHNN2.gif
    http://www.uclh.nhs.uk/CmsImages/851D3FB5-0894-461C-991D-90F1BD441E10/94661/175/0/NHNN2.gif
    http://www.uclh.nhs.uk/CmsImages/851D3FB5-0894-461C-991D-90F1BD441E10/94661/175/0/NHNN2.gif
    http://www.uclh.nhs.uk/CmsImages/851D3FB5-0894-461C-991D-90F1BD441E10/94661/175/0/NHNN2.gif
    Just a normal clinic 30 km from Buenos Aires http://www.uclh.nhs.uk/CmsImages/851D3FB5-0894-461C-991D-90F1BD441E10/94661/175/0/NHNN2.gif

    Now can we talk seriously about the crappy state of the health care system in US?

    Or do you need to show us same fancy flat blue screen to feel technological advanced?

    If that is the case I can show you some robots to perform remote surgery here in BA and nuclear medicine.

    So grow up and start to inform yourself a little bit more because you start to sound like the yanks you only need to make some silly question like.

    Mobile phones have arrived yet in UK? UK is old and a little village there is not an Apple store in town? Haha
    You have to hear them is very funny.
    BTW are you yank?

    Aug 12th, 2010 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    The World Health Organization (WHO) is a specialized agency of the United Nations (UN) that acts as a coordinating authority on international public health.

    While you may have your oppinions, they are the authority and experts on the matter.

    http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html.
    France - 1
    United kingdom - 18
    United states - 37
    Argentina - 75

    Aug 12th, 2010 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @zethe

    Now you are devote of UN and what about when they say that you have a colony and that you have to live ASAP in Malvinas?

    Anyway “The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems was last produced in 2000, and the WHO no longer produces such a ranking table, because of the complexity of the task.”

    Lets say that the results were so controversial and inaccurate that was a joke.

    In your rank Morocco is ranked over Canada, Finland and Denmark have you ever been in a Morocco hospital? I guess you don’t you surely will chose 100 times Denmark.

    Italy place that I know fair well rank #2 I can tell you for sure that Italy health system sucks people has to go abroad to get dental care because in Italy is so expensive. Italian hospitals are very dirties and you can get into a hospital with a headache and ended up with a peritonitis operation by mistake. No change for me to trust and Italian doctor.

    UK is over Switzerland well this is very funny no comment at all.
    In you UK your doctor can be trained from Nigeria, Jamaica, India, Pakistan, etc. Nothing against theses countries but the Argies are far, far, far, far better trained, skilled and trusty than any in your country.
    Do you get the picture here?
    Now the most amazing Paraguay ranks over Argentina they came here in buses to get free treatment in our hospitals like other countries.
    Seem Paraguayan didn't read your rank else they would prefer to use their own better system, so we will save a lot of taxpayer money.

    Your rank is useless old and inaccurate made by Christopher Murray that by change he came from Oxford and knows more about economy than medicine as he got physician degree in US.

    And since when someone trained in Oxford can be trusted, they have ruined your country and now they will cut your budget in education and the Army. Haha can you see that you have a educational problem mate.

    Come on you couldn’t found something more serious mate you are disappointing me, really.

    Aug 12th, 2010 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    Again: your oppinion, not fact.

    List is a study generated by a world organisation who specializes in this subject. Even 10 years old it's still relitive, entire healthcare systems do not change in years, they change over decades.

    The UN aren't going to say we have to leave the islands nico, it's actually impossible for them to tell us to leave the islands, we can veto. Even then, they would not.

    Aug 12th, 2010 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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