MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
“Argentina/UK relation must go beyond the Falklands/Malvinas conflict”
The Argentina/UK relation must go beyond the Falklands/Malvinas conflict, said British ambassador Shan Morgan during a recent visit to Salta, one of Argentina’s most northern provinces famous for its landscape and agro-industry potential. She also praised Argentine labour and talent and was hopeful a trade agreement could soon be reached with the European Union. Read full article
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Aug 17th, 2010 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0“....British corporations always talk about the quality of Argentine human resources. Labour capacity in Argentina and talent are excellent and that is what British companies are after. Over a hundred British companies are established in Argentina and 36 of them belong to the top ranking”.
Thats diplomacy for you twink LOL
Aug 17th, 2010 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0quality of Argentine human resources. LOL
If she dont make it as a diplomat, the montreal comedy festival beckons
“ ... it is “a very important issue for Argentines, but the position of my government...”
Aug 17th, 2010 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0HAS NOT CHANGED .... we have no doubts about our sovereignty remember?
And nothing will change!
“ ... it is “a very important issue for Argentines, but the position of my government...”
Aug 17th, 2010 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0HAS NOT CHANGED ................. YET.
And things are changing..... Her hair is at least 3 shades of platin lighter than last year :-)
“ ... it is “a very important issue for Argentines, but the position of my government...”
Aug 17th, 2010 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0HAS NOT CHANGED ................. NOR WILL IT!!
Falkland Islands remain British!!
“HAS NOT CHANGED ................. YET.”
Aug 17th, 2010 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's only been 200 years, im sure it's just around the corner. You keep licking those windows think.
Fortunately, the british ambassador has no friends here. She would get a wrong impression of the country where she works.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The lady seems to prefer direct perception, not biased “merry wives of Windsor”-talking.
Mrs.Morgan is a fine woman.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some years ago I talked to her in Buenos Aires; she has some particular and interesting views about UK presence in south atlantic; unfortunately for her and for everybody benefit intransigense and conservadurism is still prevailing.
Why would the British ambassador have any friends in Argentina? As Think has admitted before, Argentines have a tendency to be arrogant, the same way us Brits tend to be pedantic. The problem is that Argentina has little to be arrogant about at present, (even football for that matter - another similarity between Argentina and the UK) and this manifests itself in pent up frustration, which is only released by verbal Brit bashing; very mature.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the Argentine leadership as well as its vocal left grow up and recognise that you can't simply support a democratic process when it suites your interests then perhaps the Islands an Argentina can have a more cordial relationship and develop greater economic partnerships.
Sorry, Beef, I was meaning that she fortunately has´t any friends HERE, in “most-hate-argentina-blogspotpress-forum”, population=20.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not the real world, just e-warmongering.
Beef, there is no democratic process in Malvinas to support since an unvoted governor is sitill appointed by London, since constitution is written in london without any voting process in Malvinas; since UK tries to dominate half south atlantic under the excuse of 2000 british colonial subjects.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course Argentina is prepared to have a more cordial relatioship with Malvinas, but please don´t expect to have it under this circunstances; britain must leave and islanders must excercise real selfdetermination, real democracy.
“When asked about the recurrent Argentine calls for sovereignty negotiations, the British ambassador admitted it is “a very important issue for Argentines”
Aug 17th, 2010 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course, Malvinas is part of Argentina not UK 8000 miles away and in Europe.
“Further on Ms Morgan said she was hopeful a trade agreement could be reached between the European Union and Mercosur”
Sure, return the islands to Argentina first.
Sad isn't it.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marco,
Tell me, how can you settle existing differences and leave an issue unresolved? Not logical is it?
Any chance you could answer a simple question?
Probably not.
Billy,
The Falklands have a democratically elected Government, the constitution was written by the Islanders themselves. Now I don't know if you're so indoctrinated that you just can't accept it but thats the way it is.
The Governor is the representative of the Queen and has no authority. Australia still has a Governor and you couldn't claim Australia doesn't control its own affairs. People have the right to choose the Government they desire, you don't have the right to impose what your vision of democracry is.
Were Britain or the Falklands to tell Argentina how to run its Government, you'd be the first to complain. Its arrogant in the extreme for you to do so.
And no Britain has no interest in “dominating” the South Atlantic. We have 4 Eurofighters and a small patrol vessel there permanently.
The only intransigence and conservatism is Argentine, allied with teh usual breath taking arrogance telling people how to live.
'Argentina/UK relation must go beyond the Falklands/Malvinas conflict'
Aug 17th, 2010 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Certainly. But our relationship had been going around for some time now without solving the conflict, despite both diplomacy and war. So why can't we make a break now and solve it? Handing the arcipelago back to Argentina will not mean that the UK has to give back other South Atlantic islands' groups or The Rock to Spain and will bring susteinable peace to the area. Argentina should on her part compromise to respect in all aspects, the current islanders' and companies' situations...
The latter, however, I'm afraid that there'll come the day that we won't honour, and they know it.
Kuntz;
Aug 17th, 2010 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In Malvinas the colonial governor can do the same that in Turks & Caicos; do you know what happened there?? ´can this happen in australia??
Please tell me when kelpers vote actual constitution as you said that kelpers write the constitution.
If there is no intention to dominate half south atlantic please tell me why UK is claiming continental shelf, what is UK doing in georgias and sandwich and why UK is claiming antartica as there is no people to claim selfdetermination in that places.
Argentina is not telling kelpers how to run their goverment; argentina is telling UK that they can´t stay in argentine territory.
The real islanders? Malvinas is an old colony of the broke British empire
Aug 17th, 2010 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Governor Mr Alan Huckle, british and former Governor of Anguilla.
The Honourable Keith Biles JP
Speaker of the Legislative Assembly
Keith Biles was a member of the overseas staff of a major international British bank for 25 years, living and working in many parts of the world.
He arrived in the Falkland Islands in 1995 to take up the appointment as manager of the local branch of the bank.
Falkland Islands Government Chief Executive, Dr Tim Thorogood
Timothy “Tim” Rupert Thorogood (born 15 May 1962) is the current Chief Executive of the Falkland Islands.
Thorogood was born in Barbados and spent time as a child in the Falklands, where his father worked for Cable & Wireless.
Argie,
Aug 17th, 2010 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You hit the nail on the head, I do not believe Argentina would honour any promise to respect the islanders or the property owners on the islanders. Argentina has invested so much bile and spite toward them, that reneging on any such promises would be inevitable and justified by what is to be blunt racism.
Billy,
I do happen to know what happened in the Turks and Caicos, it wasn't the actions of the Governor it was the actions of the British Government who took action because of corruption in Government. It is a temporary measure and full self-government will be restored as the British Government has been committed to devolving Government to overseas territories since the '60s.
Why is the UK claiming the continental shelf, because it is obliged to under UN Convention on the Law of the Sea and to take action for conservation of natural resources. It has nothing to do with domination.
The claim in Antarctica is old and I notice that Argentina also claims a large chunk of Antarctica, there is no claim to self-determination there either. And all claims are set aside as a result of the Antarctic Treaty, which commits all nations to peaceful scientific research only. Why raise it, its an utter Red Herring.
Claiming a desire for domination is pure paranoia on yours and Argentina's part.
Nor are the Falklands Argentine, they never have been and they never will be. The UK merely protects the Falklands who govern themselves, from a large and arrogant bully.
And tell me Billy, why do you persist in using Kelpers, its hugely offensive and utterly racist.
when the people living in Malvinas became citizens of modern and free world instead of being subjects of a rusty colonial nation; I will call them falklanders or whatever they want to be; now they are kelpers, a community used as a tool by britain to stay in south atlantic as an alien power.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the 21st Century, can a European power hide its colonial claim to the oil resources under the sea bed of South America by sheltering behind the 'rights' of its colonists?
Aug 17th, 2010 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain must go, and in the end it will have to go; the issue is one of how and when.
Billy & Marco. You continue to demonstrate your racist, bigoted, government-inspired propagandist crap.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain will stay to protect the Falkland Islanders against their corrupt and rapacious neighbours.
Who could I be talking about?
On the other hand, Ms. The Ambasador's family name is one commonly associated with piracy, either related to sea or, more recently to banking...
Aug 17th, 2010 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There we have it in a nutshell. Billy uses a racist epithet because he is a racist. There is no other reason and because he is a racist he uses that to justify his inate prejudices and cannot admit they are people with human rights as defined in the UN Charter. He sees them as Untermenschen, its the same racist crap that Hitler and every other racist fuckwit has used down the line.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marco, grow up and stop pasting the same crap on multiple threads, hopefully the editor will pull your crap. Its getting boring - much like your refusal to answer awkward questions.
Looks like my comment about the pent up frustration in Argentina leading to cases of verbal Brit bashing was spot on! It also looks like it is responsible for delusions of gradure brought on by an inferiority complex.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is what holds Argentina back hence the trade issues with the EU, Brazil and China.
Harrier said,“Billy & Marco. You continue to demonstrate your racist. Who could I be talking about?”
Aug 17th, 2010 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK may be?
In the process which followed, which was that of the forced expulsion of the population of the Chagos from the islands, the islanders were offered no recourse to self-determination. Dispossesed of their homes and their means of livelihood, the democratic choice offered to the Chagossians was to become slum-dwellers on the Mauritius mainland. For the inconvenience of having to accommodate these refugees, the government of Maurituis was compensated with the princely sum of three million pounds.
Like the Falklanders, the Chagossians were approximately two thousand in number. Unlike the Falklanders, they were dark skinned and not of British ancestry-
Sounds like a colony, thinks as a colony, smells as a colony, talks as a colony and acts as a colony.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Umm.. seems to be pretty much a colony to me, I have no doubt about it. And you?
By the way what race are the F@klander? are they black? yellow? Brownie?
I don't get the racist point here, if you kick the ass of a black so you are a racist but if the butt is white that means power. haha
Not racist stuff here at all we can kick their back to UKI and NGO will fill any claim.
NicoDin, hmmm.... racism the very thing what is directed to the Falkland islanders and to Britain on a daily basis from a rotten country called argentina
Aug 17th, 2010 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The same country what slaughtered the indigenous peoples of that land.
Your country as a whole sickens me
I don't usually post links but it looks like some other commentators have identifed the reasons for Argentina self pity identity.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.ottawacitizen.com/country+with+complex/3406359/story.html
Ho well miss english pirat ambasador I think we should solve Malvinas first because our people have not changed their demand for Malvinas, Only than we might get into EU and their dubble standards, besides China, India and Pakistan are willing to trade with Argentina, go back to pirat land and let them know we have no interest in dealing with them untill they resolve the Malvinas issue.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0besides we already have trade with the british it's called the fakland island company wich is stealing from our land, why would Argentina want to trade with more pirats ?? they already erradicated the cattle industry left by Luis Vernet after the pirats attacked Islas Malvinas back in 1830.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_Holdings
Thank you avargas for your highly academic and constructive post. I doubt you are very high on the list of your governments choices for future diplomats?
Aug 17th, 2010 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone who bought into Falkland Island Holdings 1 yr ago will have made a good return on their investment. After the FOGL result then there looks to be a new buying opportunity. I doubt you would be interested though. Where would you start?
In the 21st Century, can a European power hide its colonial claim to the oil resources under the sea bed of South America by sheltering behind the 'rights' of its colonists?
Aug 17th, 2010 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain must go, and in the end it will have to go; the issue is one of how and when.
Have you run out of things to say Marco - repeating yourself!
Aug 17th, 2010 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Explain why the Falkland Islanders should leave their home or give up their choice about soverignty? Then explain how and when it will happen? If you are so sure.
BTW give it up clutching at straws regarding the Chagos islands. What happened there was wrong so why would you want Argentina to do the same to the Falkland Islanders? Unless you agree with that sort of behaviour?
beef as you can all see, Argentina has a lot of dealings with pirats who came to our land, why would we want to deal with EU when the 2000 pirats we have in Islas Malvinas are giving Argentina enought trouble is this british ambassador stupid or does she think we are dumb ?? we don't even want the fakland island company that erradicated the cattle industry Luis Vernet left behind in 1830's, we will start by erradicating all the british companies from Argentina one by one, I heard there is a plot to start sabotaging all of them soon to make them unprofitable and to liquidate them at rock bottom prices, keep an eye on the ball beef, and let your ambassador know that Argentina is not trading with pirats, unless british pirats deside to follow international laws and return Islas Malvinas with puerto Argentino and all it's parts..
Aug 17th, 2010 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_Holdings
Marco, nico and gassy. Have you tried reading your own Constitution? Racist and bigoted.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And no-one thinks Argentines are dumb. Every single time you open your mouths, write or type, YOU prove you are DUMB!!!
beef ,”Explain why the Falkland Islanders should leave their home '
Aug 17th, 2010 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Never said that, and I am not in favor of that like most of Argentinians.
UK GOV.HAS TO GO.
Malvinas is part of Argentina.
@Marco, you mean the Falkland islands government. Which will stay forever.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting article from the UK
Aug 17th, 2010 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“But what about the Falklanders? One would not wish them to suffer a similar fate to that of the Chagossians; and the fact that Britain upholds the 'principle of democratic self-determination' for the inhabitants of its small remaining colonies only when that accords with the UK's economic and strategic interests does not by itself prove that the claim of the people living on the Falklands / Malvinas islands should be given no moral or political credence. But what is that claim? They do not assert that they wish to be an independent nation- what they want is to be British subjects. Following from this, they have no special right which would trump a British decision on what to do with the land on which they live, and the natural resources which surround it- any more than do the people who live in the way of a proposed railway line, airport or power station. Their democratic position is that they, like any other group of a few thousand- or many more- UK citizens, have to accept the decisions of the elected British government.”
Malvinas Argentinas
For sure they have the right to campaign, or to seek recourse through the courts, but in the end they, if they insist on being British, must therefore abide by whatever choice is made by the British people as a whole, through their elected government. Should Britain decide to concede its colony off the coast of Argentina to the Argentinians, those who currently live there could choose to remain on the islands as 'ex-pat' Brits, or to relocate to England, Scotland or Wales with whatever financial compensation terms would be on offer; a small number of them might even decide to apply to become citizens of Argentina. That would be for them to decide, in the context of a negotiated solution.
Wonder which clown wrote this, how old it is and where you found it. So many inaccuracies, it is ludicrous. As are you.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the pirat is right anyone answering to a british is not just DUMB, but maybe even a closet homosexual, I agree with gay #33.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0gassy (32) whatever savegry you wish to get up to in your country is your business, just make sure it is within the laws of your country. I would hate to see you get arrested and then have to watch out every time you bend over to pick up the soap in the washroom of an Argentine prison.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The last time your comrades tired to attack a British company you ended up attacking a branch of the Hong Kong & Shanghi Banking Corporation. Now I can't believe that that many Argentines are illiterate?
I will let you contact me when something happens to sabotage British interests in Argentina, I have something called a family and a career which are more important and that the tosh you make up on mercopress.
Seriously if you truly believe the things you write then I sugesst you refer yourself to the loony bin.
#39 what you do in a jail bathroom is none of my busyness, what pirats do in Malvinas is Argentina's territorial issue, and in regards to the bank you mentioned, practice makes perfect, I heard the cattle industry and british farm fields will go up in flames this time around, since the bank attack makes no economic impact on britain, the land will have to go next, all we want is the fakland island company to ive back the land they stole that's all, we want to call it coca cola as soon as we get them back, if BP can pollute our ocean why can't we set their terroirist corporates on fire ?? who's side are you on anyways ??
Aug 17th, 2010 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_Holdings
gassy. You are so full of bulls**t. Argentina doesn't dare do anything illegal. Actually, you are a good representative for your territory - full of smelly gas.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gassy. As you cannot understand my replies then I guess you will have to simply continue to embarras yourself. I didn't know that the Gulf of Mexico was part of Argentina, or are you trying to claim that as well now.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It also sounds like you are looking forward to your barbecue, let me know when it happens, I won't hold my breath. So let me get this right you are an Argenitne with a scorched earth policy on land in Argentina. You must be in charge of the Argentine treasury or something like that to come up with that progressive economic policy. LOL
BTW - BP, who is their. Is BP a British company or something. Last time I checked it was a multinational with an outgoing UK ceo who is being replaced by an American - does that mean it is becoming an American company? I'm confused!!!!. You clearly have problems with the concept of borders and nations. I would sue your education ministry, you have been let down.
To give you a helping hand there is a lot of sarcasm in this post. Yoour IQ appears somewhat limited to understand this concept.
No Marco, the FCO would have happily sold out the Falkland Islansers as happily as they sold out the Chagossians. The reason they didn't manage to do so was the Falkland Islanders organised an effective Parliamentary Lobby that was able to stimy FCO plans. That is the difference.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BTW BP is correctly known as BP Amoco, its predominantly an American company with a majority American holding. The BP no longer stands for British Petroleum its simply a name. Not that ever stops ignorant American politicians making a name for themselves. Been that way since 1993 from memory.
Please continue with the ignorant rants, its amusing to pull them apart.
And the Falkland Islands Company, the land it started with, it bought legitimately from one Luis Vernet. Vernet sold his Falkland assets to G.T.Whittington in the 1830s. Just another one of those inconvenient facts the Argentines forget to mention.
Or did they not teach you that in school?
And the old you can't be racist if the person is “white” ploy, thats as bankrupt an argument as they come.
Pathetic isn't it, the pirate jibes, gadzooks, not the Pirate jobs, simply gives way to what lies beneath, simple naked racism an old trick that plays to the lowest common denominator. This is the highpoint of “debate” with Argentines.
The Chagossians have popular support in the UK because what the British Government did to them was utterly wrong. But lets be honest here, you don't actually give a shit about the Chagossians its a rather poor distraction tactic to detract from the people confronting you for you mendacious and racist behaviour.
if BP or the fakland island company take the right to steal or pollute our planet, we all have the right and obligation to set the terrorits on fire and send them home packing, if you are with the terrorit corporste you are one of them, and deserve to be targeted in every nation, I am not making anything mine I am attempting to protect our planet from terrorits and pirats and polluters, the fakland terrorits should go home.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_Holdings
Polluters?
Aug 17th, 2010 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mmmm, look at the ancient Argentine pulp mills and compare them with the Uruguayan facility Argentina made such a fuss about.
Protect your planet my arse, the FI have more green initiatives than most, for gods sake Argentina still thinks nuclear power plants are a good idea.
Oh Gassy your posts go from strength to strength. First you claim the Falkland Islands is yours, then you claim the Gulf of Mexico is yours and now you are claiming the World. The world is not enough for you by the sounds. Are you related to Jihad Jorge (where ever he has gone), I know you are a bit inbred down there but your discourse is very similar.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islanders are at home, cosy and protected. Where else can they go. There are many Islanders that are 6th, 7th and 8th generation Falkland Islanders. If they shoudl be forcebly removed to the UK then I should be cut up with some of me posted to Ireland, some of me sent to Malta and a large amount of me sent to Italy as I am ony 4th or 5th generation.
Live in reality gassy. You are powerless as well as being wrong.
Read up some time on Argentina's grand plans for a United States of South America, under Argentine hegemony of course. Its explains a great deal.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the Falklands will never become another colony like Patagonia or mestizo,
Aug 17th, 2010 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you are more of a colonial dictatorship than we ever were, you object to the British, so you can claim it for yourself, you are the pirates, and conceders of innocent people, why don’t you lot go home and leave the islanders in peace, but you wont, because you are like hyenas just waiting to pounce, you are becoming everything we detest,
give Patagonia and mestizo its independence, and all the other provinces you stole,.
And the Malvinas will always be Falklands and British, and Argentineans will always be 86% European
IMIGRANTS
44 avargas2001: Argentina can cry, bitch and moan as much as she likes.
Aug 17th, 2010 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Those islands are british and you can either acceot it or die tryng.
I don't think we should be sitting with the pirats to talk about anything besides the Islas Malvinas issue, this people can't, nor should be trusted, how will we ever have any political force if we give in our territorial integrity in exchange for a pirat sympathy ?? there is nothing else to discuse with UK or EU. China, India and Pakistan have a lot more people in need of trade than pirats, If you are a pirats you are not with us, it worked for USA ! the fakland island company can't re-draw our borders,
Aug 17th, 2010 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and Islas Malvinas is not Hong Kong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Opium_War
history repeats itself, and reality is relative.
http://www.youtube.com/user/nicodume
Aug 18th, 2010 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0hmm the name sounds very familar,
As does the style of comment 6 names down.
http://www.youtube.com/user/nicodume
happened upon completely by chance as well :)
Hey islanders, another non Argentinian site that you might not like:
Aug 18th, 2010 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://overseasreview.blogspot.com/2010/03/who-owns-falkland-islands-malvinas.html
“Is the 60 million strong British bulldog really being wagged by its miniscule Falklands tail- or more precisely a hair on the tail, given that there are only 3,140 Falklanders? In the 21st Century, can a European power hide its colonial claim to the oil resources under the sea bed of South America by sheltering behind the 'rights' of its colonists?
Britain must go, and in the end it will have to go; the issue is one of how and when”
#25 - “ .. Sounds like a colony, thinks as a colony, smells as a colony, talks as a colony and acts as a colony....”
Aug 18th, 2010 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hmm - sounds like an idiot, thinks as an idiot, smells like an idiot, talks as an idiot and acts as an idiot ...... !
To be fair to NicebutDIM, the rest of the Argentine commenter are just repeating the usual old drivel and continuing to ignore the reality staring them in the face.
#52 - talking of idiocy, “ ... Britain must go, and in the end it will have to go; the issue is one of how and when...”
There is no issue and therefore nothing to solve.
The Falkland Islands, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands are British and have been since the 18th Century. The Antartic claim is also good even though currently in 'limbo'.
Argentina has no chance and no hope. Britain ain't going anywhere :-)
In Argentina we have alocated Island Malvinas for the kingdom of Araucania and the Mapuche natives , and we even put a head office in UK to make things easy for them.
Aug 18th, 2010 - 01:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.mapuche-nation.org/english/html/kingdom/intro.html
Hoytred, as always you have to use insults when you don't like someone else comments or websites, written by the way for non Argentinians.
Aug 18th, 2010 - 01:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is like UK policies to keep Malvinas as a British colony, brute force not truth. Read the full article.
http://overseasreview.blogspot.com/2010/03/who-owns-falkland-islands-malvinas.html
“the fact that the current inhabitants of the Falklands are descendants of British, rather than Latin American settlers, and therefore assert their 'Britishness', is owed entirely to that invasion of 177 years ago, and the subsequent maintennance of British control by the relatively superior military prowess of the UK”
Marco - one person's opinion does not an argument make, particularly when their grasp of history is so tenuous.
Aug 18th, 2010 - 02:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0The facts are simple.
1. The British claimed the islands in 1690 and again in 1765.
2. France, which had a settlement on the Falkland Islands in 1764 made no claim.
3. Spain, when it tried to claim the islands and force the British off in 1770/71 were forced to back down and hand the islands back to British forces.
4. Argentina, when it tried to illegally claim the islands by force in 1882/33 were forced to back down and hand the islands back to British forces.
The history is simple.
There is no issue. There is no doubt about the island's sovereignty. The Falkland Islands are British ..... get used to it!
My 'idiocy' remarks appear to remain valid :-)
yes I agree with #56 the fakland island holding is a british company, now go home.
Aug 18th, 2010 - 04:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_Holdings
Hoytred, not only that you are an arrogant english ignorant, also you are running around and attacking your own British writers and websites.
Aug 18th, 2010 - 04:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://thevelvetrocket.com/2010/02/21/could-britain-re-take-the-falkland-islands-again-its-not-1982-anymore/
“Hoytred | March 19, 2010 at 4:25 am | Reply Your history is screwed – Argentina didn’t exist in 1774. It was Spain, and they abandoned the islands too. And just because we’d popped out didn’t entitle squatters to move in. British forces ejected trespassing Argentine garrisons in 1833 and 1982, I reckon we could do it again.”
The british abandoned the islands you are saying.
“We could doit again” sooo scare hoyto!
Gassy - when a British citizen stands anywhere in the Falkland Islands - he/she IS home!
Aug 18th, 2010 - 05:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marco - NEVER abandoned ..... popped out :-)
1833 - Trespassing Argentine forces thrown off the islands!
1982 - Trespassing Argentine forces thrown off the islands!
Fancy going for the hat trick, Marco?
My 'idiocy' remarks appear to remain valid :-)
Marco,
Aug 18th, 2010 - 07:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0How can you settle existing differences and leave an issue unresolved?
Its a simple question.
Justin. Too many words with too many letters. Let me try.
Aug 18th, 2010 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marco. You ignorant Spanish immigrant colonist. Go home!
@beef
Aug 18th, 2010 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0“BTW give it up clutching at straws regarding the Chagos islands. What happened there was wrong so why would you want Argentina to do the same to the Falkland Islanders? Unless you agree with that sort of behaviour?”
Well we can say the same good explanation after doing the some stuff for example:
What Argentina have done in Malvinas was wrong but would you want Britain to do the same by retaken the Island back? Unless you agree with that sort of behaviour.
Can you see how easy are the things my pomi friend?
Don’t worry its just business later we can have a good diplomatic relationship, drink tea together while seeing polo and sing “God Save the Queen” looking beyond this little incident as your ambassador have said. We have a lot of things in common and interest.
BTW can we get Scotland and Wales back too?
@Rhaurie-Craughwell
Good try but you are far, far, far away haha
Can I try now?
Rhaurie on BBC comedy show I got you mate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPEmfh3hOXc&feature=related
“ ... but would you want Britain to do the same by retaken the Island back? Unless you agree with that sort of behaviour....”
Aug 18th, 2010 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0NicebutDIM - throwing trespassers off is entirely reasonable!
Give up the spurious claims and tea and polo (isn't that a mint?) may follow :-)
Good News :-)))
Aug 18th, 2010 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Rockhopper says latest Falklands well is dry hole.
Reuters / by Sarah Young
Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:49am EDT
LONDON Aug 18 (Reuters) - British oil explorer Rockhopper (RKH.L) said on Wednesday the latest well to be drilled in the Falkland Islands as part of a controversial exploration programme was found to be a dry hole.
Oil exploration in the islands off the coast of South America has sparked protests from Argentina, which claims the British territory.
The drilling of Rockhopper's Ernest prospect was being closely watched after the Sea Lion well, drilled by the company in the same basin in May, made a significant oil discovery, sending Rockhopper's shares soaring by over 500 percent.
The company will now move to carry out further tests on the Sea Lion discovery to help it plan a potential appraisal campaign, Moody said.
Ernest reached its target depth of 2240 metres with initial logs confirming that no hydrocarbons had been encountered, said Rockhopper.“
Sam Moody will pretty soon have to show the public some documents about this ”incredible” 60 billion barrel Sea Lion fund.......Think says....
So ... if there's no oil ... what on earth was Argentina making such a fuss about ??? :-)
Aug 18th, 2010 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Las Islas Malvinas, of course......
Aug 18th, 2010 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0NicoDin, the two are in no way a moral comparison, that you would attempt to do so merely demonstrates your moral vacuum.
Aug 18th, 2010 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0As usual Think drops by in a fit of Schadenfreude, again morally bankrupt.
Oh Think, do you plan to substantiate your claim that the BE website is a valued academic resource, endorsed by noted academics or in fact substantiate any claim you make?
66 Think:
Aug 18th, 2010 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Where?
!!
Oh no Nicodume, it's definitely you, I recall you used the same argument and video a while back :) Nice try mate but no amount of Youtube videos will fudge that one, it's far too much your style!
Aug 18th, 2010 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bottom one certainley can't be me he's far to funny and far to English :)
Nice to see that you caught onto that one like a Trout, if only Trout fishing was that easy in real life?
Is think still not thinking oh well, here's a few statistics for Think:
BPand others took 5 years and 45 drill wells before they even struck oil and gas in the North Sea in commercial quantities in 1969, and that was with lots and lots of classy drilling platforms all but a stone throws away from nice deep sea ports.
So far 6 test drills 1 has yielded commercial medium grade oil, the other commercial quantities of gas. All that with one rig in atrocious conditions, don't crow so soon think 60 billion barrels of oil is a conservative estimate would you believe it? They would have a better chance if they had 15 rigs, but the fear is, if that happened the Argentine nation might reach a fever pitch of hysterical victimhood and cause an unfortunate chain reaction of stupidity.
Either way even with 60 million barrels of oil at sea Lion the Falklands still win :)
69 Rhaurie-Craughwell: “...the Argentine nation might reach a fever pitch of hysterical victimhood and cause an unfortunate chain reaction of stupidity.”
Aug 18th, 2010 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Absolute class!!
Up late here watching England get into trouble again...against Pakistan in the cricket, before any Argentine posters start to get too excited!
Looking forward to keeping up with the posts here to take my mind off the crap at the Oval, in particular any posts from the professional comedian gassy. He is a comedian, isn't he? 'Cause he's frickin' hilarious!!
One..... just one oil platform was enough for the whole region to realize the real intentions of the United Kingdom in our South Atlantic.......
Aug 18th, 2010 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And yes.... a slow but constant diplomatic chain reaction has been started to protect our Countries interests.....
Come on Think, you know that it is the Falkland Islands, not the UK, that will benefit from any oil exploitation. The licences are issued by FIG, not HMG, and any revenues would flow into the Falkland Islands' treasury not the UK's treasury.
Aug 18th, 2010 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is a typical example of the Argentines doing their best to ignore the Falkland Islanders.
No amount of diplomatic effort on the Argentine part is going to get the UK Government to change its mind that the Falkland Islanders' wishes are paramount. The Falkland Islanders wish to remain British and that is how the Islands will remain for so long as the Falkland Islanders want them to.
Think - Remember when you want to start crowing about the oil expo then take some time to look at the whole picture.
Aug 18th, 2010 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First - Yes the Ernest drill is a “duster”. What are the ramifications of this?
1) The current sp is only down 3% at 295p. This means that the market had not really priced in any sucess on Ernest and the sp is above the pirce of the last equity issues (280p). I am still sitting on a 300% paper profit based on my average purchase price :-)
2) This part of the RKH licence was undrilled so the data gained from wireline and logging will be useful to understand that part of the basin and increse the chance of future drills finding any lurking good stuff. This is waht happend with sea-lion after the data from the Shell drills in 98 was used to find the “sweet spot”.
The market knows this hence the sp has held up.
RKH has also a farm in on DES acearge so the data will be shared to help DES decide on its drill schedule.
Secondly - How is the exploration going generally after four drills
1 oil find (now to be tested) with 242 million (who said sea-lion had 60 billion barrels? That is upper estimate for the entire Falklands - do your research before you type Think, you are a bright individual) with significant upside potential :-).
1 gas find - awaiting condensate results and data from DES.
A gas find (Johnson) from previous drill in RKH licence.
2 dusters in undrilled areas - Toroa was the margin of a springhill formation so was always a willcat drill really {I still have a 70% paper profit on FOGL though :-)}. So lots of data that will help the next phase.
Overall, this is typical of oil exploration when the CoS for drills is between 7%-20%. In the North Sea 6 dusters were drilled before the first find and other finds are still being made (over 30 years after the first).
If the flow test at sea-lion confirm commercial flow then watch the SP fly. Oil finds like this are like cockroaches - if you find one there are always many more.
Take care all!
Real intentions? countries are not allowed to exploit their own hydrocarbons, now are they?
Aug 18th, 2010 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please think calm down with the conspiracy theories, the chain reaction might start and you will end up like these fellows!
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/photo/2010-02/24/c_13186255.htm
I'm not quite sure what the fellow on the left is doing self flagellation as the fiery nationalist fervor clouds all semblances of sentient life?
Unless you can conclusively prove that parliament and HM approved such a venture you are barking up the wrong tree with your deluded conspiracies! companies based in the UK drill where the hell they like provided the host nation consents, the FIG did consent? Lo and behold!
Perhaps the true reason we are there is because of your little Imperialist pipe in 1982, lets try a simple equation
1 invasion and subsequent defeat= military threat.
So how do we cancel out the military threat......? and the answer is not oil rigs dummy!
FIG issued those licenses, keep up with the propaganda.
Aug 18th, 2010 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chain reaction, my arse.
Oh Think, do you plan to substantiate your claim that the BE website is a valued academic resource, endorsed by noted academics or in fact substantiate any claim you make?
(72) Pom.....No, I DO NOT know (or believe) that it is the Falkland Islands, not the UK, that will benefit from any oil exploitation.
Aug 18th, 2010 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is a whole package and includes the other islands and Antarctica.
(73) Beef....... Thanks for another instuctive lesson in the oil investment business.... Still; a duster is goooood news for us...... I hope for many more :-)
(76) Think...... Please don't waste your life on conspiracy theories or looking for hidden happenings. There are plenty of things in life that I believe in but have not the time, leverage or power to influence. I do my best for myself and my family and pass comment on world affairs that I observe. But don't spend your life as a loony leftie keyboard warrior, you are worth more than that.
Aug 18th, 2010 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 076 Think, the current exploration for oil is taking place in the Falkland Islands' EEZ and, if any is found, the revenues will flow to the Falkland Islands.
Aug 18th, 2010 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands and Antarctica are separate, I agree, and are administered directly from London through Government House in the Falkland Islands (in the case of SGSSI at least). However, no exploration for oil is going on there (as far as I know).
Leaving aside the numerous Antarctic claims (remember that Britain is not the only non-South American country that claims part of Antarctica), if the Argentine claim to the Falklands is tenuous, its claim to SGSSI is non-existent, so I don't see what your problem is.
No Think, you know it is the FIG who issued those licenses, you know it is the Falkland Islands that will benefit, you choose to re-iterate Argentine Government propaganda that can't accept people have the right to determine their own future. You choose to believe in lies to justify your own racist beliefs that they are not a people and that they do not have any rights.
Aug 18th, 2010 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That you choose to believe lies is amply demonstrated by your refusal to address those awkward questions that expose lies.
Like why does Argentina claim the expulsion of Vernet's settlement in 1833, when plainly the documentary evidence shows this to be a lie. There are plenty of examples where you refuse to address awkward little questions like that.
Plainly, Think doesn't, other than to parrot propaganda. You should be prosecuted under the Trades Description Act.
“ ... It is a whole package and includes the other islands and Antarctica...”
Aug 18th, 2010 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
Think, knows as well as I do that the Argentine claim to South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands is “ difficult” ... I seem to recall that was the phrase you used Think? In this case “difficult” means 'non-existent”. Argentina has no claim AT ALL any of the islands or indeed the British Antartic Territories .... No chance ... no hope :-)
“ ... And yes.... a slow but constant diplomatic chain reaction has been started to protect our Countries interests..... ”
Another of Baldrick's cunning plans (South American style) ..... no chance ... no hope :-)
Oh dear, Think. Looks like that package you were talking about was actually a large can of worms!
Aug 18th, 2010 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(77) Beef.... Thanks for your positive comments....I will, by all means, try to avoid becoming a loonie keyboard warrior..... But a leftie I am ...Yesterday Today and Tomorrow :-)
Aug 18th, 2010 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(78) Pom..... It can be reduced to the following: Great Britain, France and Norway out of the Southern Hemisphere.
Excuse my french but: “F*** history”....
Brazil, Soutafrica, India or Australia are not caiming the Arctic? Are they?
And why not..... As International laws are today, it is open territory.....
In which case, Think, I take it that you agree that Argentina's claim to the Islands (all of them) is f***ed, since it is based on history?!
Aug 18th, 2010 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The spurious claim of territorial integrity is, as we now all know, if we didn't know it before, trumped by the principle of self-determination.
And the various claims to Antarctica are a separate matter, again, as we all know well, and are subject to an international treaty.
(83) Pom....The actual strategy of getting you foreigners out of the Southern Hemisphere is based on many other parameters...
Aug 18th, 2010 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But it can be condensed in few words.......As Lula said the other day.... What the heck are they doing down here???.....
Ah, ok, I think that I see now! Or not!
Aug 18th, 2010 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So, each South American country will, of course, repatriate every individual of northern hemisphere descent then? Spanish, Portuguese included? Leaving only those individuals behind who are indigenous?
There's a term for this kind of thing: it's called ethnic cleansing.
“Excuse my french but: “F*** history”....”
Aug 18th, 2010 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh but isn't the Argentine claim based on “history”? Or simply avoiding the awkward question...again.
And again Think it is the FALKLAND ISLANDS GOVERNMENT that is exploring for oil. Last time I looked the Falkland Islands were in the Southern Hemisphere. What you mean is that wish to kick the Falklanders out of the land of their birth.
A spot of honesty for once, or a Freudian slip?
Ah, now we get to it!
Aug 18th, 2010 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think and Billious Haze on the same track. Forget history, forget legality, forget rights ... this is just another form of tribalism, ie we in the South don't want you of the North operating in our sphere of influence.
Well that at least is a position I recognise as it's as old as mankind.
So Think, you'd be prepared to accept Falkland Island independence provided the British left the area? You'd all be Southerners together then!
As for the Antartic please note that the USA and Russia have 'reserved their position'. If it ever comes up for grabs believe me Argentina will be competing with the big boys ... wonder how that would work out ? :-)
Sigh, The islands going independant would not remove the British army's presense there, the base would still be operated even if just for logistical reasons.
Aug 18th, 2010 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only reason the base would be removed is if the islanders(independant) asked them too, and that wouldn't happen.
by Noah Tucker
Aug 18th, 2010 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://overseasreview.blogspot.com/2010/03/who-owns-falkland-islands-malvinas.html
“the 60 million strong British bulldog really being wagged by its miniscule Falklands tail- or more precisely a hair on the tail, given that there are only 3,140 Falklanders? In the 21st Century, can a European power hide its colonial claim to the oil resources under the sea bed of South America by sheltering behind the 'rights' of its colonists?
Britain must go, and in the end it will have to go; the issue is one of how and when”
89 Marco, if you try to really (and I mean really, really try) think hard about it, the conclusion of the blogger that you quote must be that somehow, incredibly, Britain somehow knew in 1833 (or perhaps in the late 1600s!) that there was possibly oil in and around the Falklands!
Aug 18th, 2010 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once you accept the ridiculousness of this conclusion, you get an idea of the lack of serious thought behind his/her comments.
Think ...this is one of the silliest things you have come out with in a while..
Aug 18th, 2010 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Brazil, Soutafrica, India or Australia are not caiming the Arctic? Are they?
And why not..... As International laws are today, it is open territory.....”
The arctic is water and ice... its not open territory.... all the surrounding land is sovereign territory of Russia, Canada, US, Norway etc..Svalbard is a bit different...
Seems you failed geography as well as all the other subjects....
(85) Pom.... You know perfectly that was NOT what I meant.....
Aug 18th, 2010 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(87) Hoyt..... Yes, you got it right..... And in my understanding that's your basic position too... You just hide it back 1.400 persons born in Malvinas.....
And no, Argentina is not prepared to accept an independence declared by some squatters....
(91) Frank the Yank.... OMG when are you leaving Argentina..... You know; guests are like fish... after sometime they begin to smell....
And, if you kept with the news you would know tha the Arctic is becoming quite conflictive at the moment.
Marco. You really must try to do some research before you go posting articles from any Tom, Dick or Harry that seems to support your psychotic fanaticism.
Aug 18th, 2010 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It seems that Noah Tucker is a Communist who, incidentally, supported the Soviet interventions in Czechoslovakia and Afghanistan. While you're searching around, don't forget his brother, Calvin Tucker.
Interesting bedfellows you choose, eh?
Now, in the case of Twinky, he says that “And no, Argentina is not prepared to accept an independence declared by some squatters....” thereby stating Argentina's basic intention to ignore any law or legal ruling unless it suits Argentina's purpose.
So Britain will stay to protect its citizens. Whatever it takes, whatever it costs.
harrier, Noah Tucker is a Harvard University Alumni not from Stanley's “Infant and Junior School” like you.
Aug 18th, 2010 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ok #93 take your citizens home where they belong, we don't want any british squatters or pirat in Islas Malvinas, nobody wants trouble makers, settle them in your own land UK, there was laws in Malvinas with a government in place and everything, but it was UK who broke the laws you claim for the pirats now, in any case I don't think Argentine politicians are stupid enought to sit with the EU or UK to deal in any other issue besides Islas Malvinas, they can all go hungry and see if we care, maybe with a emnty stomach EU and UK will re-think their Islas Malvinas stand.
Aug 18th, 2010 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0all we want is fakland island holdings to go home and take their colony with them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_Holdings
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_Holdings
Islas Malvinas in not Hong Kong there is no opium there, just oil witch will run out and U.K will be stuck with the bills and more old people to care for.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_Holdings
avargas, You posting here is only adding to the speculation that Argentinians are all stupid.
Aug 18th, 2010 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are right think
Aug 18th, 2010 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another dry well.
http://www.iii.co.uk/articles/articledisplay.jsp?section=Markets&article_id=10107312
Smart woman, she did not trust his husband with her money!
http://www.iii.co.uk/articles/articledisplay.jsp?section=Markets&article_id=10107312
really #96 ?
Aug 18th, 2010 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ignore me!
your derrogatory is duly noted, maybe if you had being paying atention to what I said you might have foreseeing this can of worms coming.
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/08/18/australian-pm-wants-to-cut-ties-with-british-monarchy-and-establish-a-republic
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/08/18/australian-pm-wants-to-cut-ties-with-british-monarchy-and-establish-a-republic
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/08/18/australian-pm-wants-to-cut-ties-with-british-monarchy-and-establish-a-republic
If what you say about Argentinians is true, than you should agree with me in that there is no sence in opening trades or even talking to stupid people, specially when they refuse to listen, you can go tell that to your british ambassador, who seems to be an ignorant on how politics and trade work.
Marco. He and his brother are Communists. And as for my education? Wrong again.
Aug 18th, 2010 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gassy. There are no British squatters or pirates on the Malvinas. That is because the Malvinas don't exist except in your psychotic mind.
Now, the British citizens that live on the Falkland Islands are home. And there is squat you can do about it. Losers!!
harrier, “He and his brother are Communists”
Aug 18th, 2010 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So what
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/08/18/harvard-consolidates-as-top-us-academic-research-institution
“ ... And no, Argentina is not prepared to accept an independence declared by some squatters....”
Aug 18th, 2010 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just a land grab then. Well we know how to deal with that ... and have been, for 177 (getting closer to 178) years. No chance, no hope :-)
Marco - communists hold almost no sway at all in the UK. Their ideas are ridiculed ... therefore your bloggers opinion doesn't matter ... much as Argentina's opinion, doesn't matter!
98 avargas2001.
Aug 19th, 2010 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0What can of worms are you even talking about? Sorry, but why would anyone even care if Australia, canada or any of the other nations cut their ties to the queen?
Like i have told you people before, it's just a very old tradition, the queen is a figurehead, nothing more. If that's what australia needs to do to move on as a nation well then i say good luck to them, makes absolutely no difference to us.
Hoytred“ communists hold almost no sway at all in the UK. Their ideas are ridiculed ... therefore your bloggers opinion doesn't matter ... much as Argentina's opinion, doesn't matter!”
Aug 19th, 2010 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0The truth does not matter for you
Malvinas Argentinas!
“the 60 million strong British bulldog really being wagged by its miniscule Falklands tail- or more precisely a hair on the tail, given that there are only 3,140 Falklanders? In the 21st Century, can a European power hide its colonial claim to the oil resources under the sea bed of South America by sheltering behind the 'rights' of its colonists?
Britain must go, and in the end it will have to go; the issue is one of how and when”
You seem to be suffering from a bad case of gas Marco .... needless and boring repetition. Much like, I'm led to believe, the way that Argentines schools indoctrinate their pupils with the spurious claim to the islands.
Aug 19th, 2010 - 01:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0We know the truth Marcos, we have no doubts about our sovereignty, we are prepared to defend our sovereignty ... we are not prepared to discuss it, tried that, didn't get anywhere.
The Falklands Islands are British ... get used to it!
Hoytred,“we are prepared to defend our sovereignty ... we are not prepared to discuss it”
Aug 19th, 2010 - 02:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course!, after watching this video of your forces in Malvinas I don't have any doubts...Are you the one in Pink Hoytred?
Malvinas Argentinas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ljm1oymSv1k&feature=fvsr
Marco - save your breath. I never look at youtube .... it carries no weight and as far as I understand it, is supported by idiots ...... you appear to confirm my viewpoint.
Aug 19th, 2010 - 02:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0We agree with you #104, now go home to UK do in your land as you wish, all of Malvinas support you, untill than quit trying to have any dealing with Argentina is that hard to understand ? your prime minister tought us a good lesson in politics, when he said there was nothing to discuse in regards to Malvinas, oviously Argetina knows how to listen and refrains from having any dealings with UK or EU, do you think this British ambassador Shan Morgan was listenig ? we are already used to it all we want to know is when will you go home ?
Aug 19th, 2010 - 02:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0British forces in Malvinas, Hoytred is te one with red panties
Aug 19th, 2010 - 04:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0On behalf of UK taxpayers money.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ljm1oymSv1k&feature=fvsr
Does anyone know whether gassy actually thinks that the Falkland Islands are named after the Falkland Islands Company/Holdings? I know that he is usually hilarious, but I can't work out whether he is being serious on this one!
Aug 19th, 2010 - 04:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0#107 - spot on Gassy, the UK has no business dealing with Argentina at all, doesn't export anything into Argentina and has no investments there either. Spot on.
Aug 19th, 2010 - 05:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Glad to see the new pills are working :-)
Marco, I've come to the conclusion that your mental age is 6 ..... now go to your room!
The highpoint of Argentine debate, YouTube.
Aug 19th, 2010 - 08:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why this obsession with homosexuality? Itching to come out of the closet?
Falkland Islanders are HOME. Won't be leaving for at least 1000 years. Spanish immigrants go home. Your country is failing..........again!!
Aug 19th, 2010 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Always funny how that video is the poster child of Argentine attempts to try and massage that wounded pride from 1982, unfortunately it always ends up pointing to the conclusion that Argentina was ass wiped by cross dressing gay soldiers, quite a humiliation for a conservative catholic country whose core pillar of society is Machismo, or on the other hand it just implies that adolescent Argentine teenagers are striving to get out of the closest
Aug 19th, 2010 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I also notice his use of the video (for his own homo erotic pleasure?) incidentally puts several tigerfish torpedo's into his brute force argument?
Homosexuality is nearly the pinnacle of Argentine achievement. I say “nearly” because the pinnacle is when they can screw themselves!! At the moment, they can only do it politically, economically and so forth.
Aug 19th, 2010 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A bit like the Paras then? So arrogant they can only have sex with other Para Troopers!
Aug 19th, 2010 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hairry, Rhaurie-Crauch, JustinKunt ,Hoyto
Aug 19th, 2010 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After watching you guys in that video for the amazing british forces defending our Malvinas Islands against penguins, and realizing that all of you are homosexual, may I suggest to fly to mainland Argentina, very close by the way, and get married.
No Marco, I am most decidely heterosexual, nevertheless I am comfortable and confident in my sexuality that I don't find your advances a threat. Your marriage proposal is charming but no thank you. My bread isn't buttered that way.
Aug 19th, 2010 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Glad to see you coming out of the closet though, you'll feel better.
Ahhhh. Never mind Marco, I was keeping my fingers crossed for you that someone might take you up on your kind offer and end your clear frustration. Keep your chin up, Justin may have knocked you back but there's still the other three who might want to help you out!!
Aug 19th, 2010 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It must be hard times for an homophobe like Marco to live through these times when his nation has just legalized gay marrage.
Aug 19th, 2010 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marco, it's obvious to anyone with an IQ above three that those videos are jokes, but we do accept openly gay people in our army. We aren't homophobic, and when it comes down to it, one british soldier is worth 10 argentinians.
No guys, thank you very much but I like women only.
Aug 19th, 2010 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However your prince Charles is available...
Keep dancing with the penguins of Malvinas Argentinas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ljm1oymSv1k&feature=fvsr
Ha! Good to see Marco that you do have a sense of humour! If you change your mind though, you can always advertise yourself as having a “GSOH” in the personals...but please don't take that as an offer from me!!
Aug 19th, 2010 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0FYI, Prince Charles is not gay nor is he a “penguin lover”; he just likes horses, sorry, Camilla!
Your last comment confuses me though. Who or what are the “Malvinas Argentinas”? Sounds like a made up name to me!
Only a guy man can dumped a beautiful person and lady like Diana, for a horse like you said.
Aug 19th, 2010 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.usatoday.com/life/2003-11-10-prince-charles_x.htm
Malvinas Argentinas are the islands adjacent to Argentina, occupied by UK.
Sorry, Marco, I'm also decidedly heterosexual. Just keep working your butt on that doorknob, (?)boy!
Aug 19th, 2010 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0122, Marco: hang on in there - 2 down, but still 2 to go!
Aug 19th, 2010 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Malvinas Argentinas”: ah, ok, right, I know where you're talking about now, thanks. But, for your information, they're called the Falkland Islands. I believe that the house rules here are that you have to use English. So, calling the Falklands the “Malvinas” contravenes that, as you are using their French name!!!!!
Did you know that up til about 1930, Islas Malvinas simply wasn't used that commonly. Even in Argentina it was Las Islas Falkland on account of the immigration from the Falklands to Patagonia.
Aug 19th, 2010 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see Marco struck out again.
BTW Freud attributed most homophobic behaviour to the retarded development of sexuality, a confusion over sexual identity and an inability to come to terms with the persons own homosexuality.
Just something our homophobic friend might like to consider.
Clearly shows their mindset i think, Marco you need to grow up mate.
Aug 19th, 2010 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0125, Justin: Interestingly enough, when one is asked in South American countries where one comes from, all you need to do is put “Islas” in front of Falkland (rather than say “Falkland Islands”) and the “spanish-speaking” official in front of you immediately knows where you're talking about!
Aug 19th, 2010 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know that you, JustinKuntz (and the rest of you nasty people), want to take the piss out of Marco (and it is, yet again, frickin' hilarious!), but, please, leave him alone to come out of the closet by himself. Keep quiet (like one would do if one was really close to a skittish endangered creature!) and I suspect that he will out himself!!!!!
Off on a tangent, Christina may be cutting of his Internet as those nasty Clarin people don't support he re-election campaign.
Aug 19th, 2010 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.minutouno.com.ar/minutouno/nota/133943-Le-quitan-la-licencia-a-Fibertel-y-CableVision-no-podra-ofrecerla-mas/
How democratic.
Return of Marco to the realm of the Goblin-King!!
Aug 19th, 2010 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Islas Malvinas is the real name of those Argentine islands, fakland island holding is the name of a firm like coca cola not too well known fact, nobody wants to argue what came first the chicken or the egg, but go find out on your own when and if the fakland country was created and see how long age the company in question is being in busyness, it should be that hard if you a at least 2 working brain cells.
Aug 19th, 2010 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_Holdings
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_Holdings
Falkland Islands named in 1690 by John Strong
Aug 19th, 2010 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Falkland Islands Company founded 1851
Work it, even a single neuron would help, thought ain't your strong point.
In case that you didn't read it before...Take your union jack with you when you go back to England.
Aug 19th, 2010 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.newsweek.com/2010/03/04/the-new-falklands-war.html
Malvinas Argentinas.
And Marco proves my point, utterly unabel to think for himself.
Aug 19th, 2010 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Islas Malvinas is the real name of those Argentine islands”
Aug 19th, 2010 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only in your mind. The union jack flys over those islands. Has done for a long time, will carry on for an even longer time.
remove your flag from the slaves of Patagonia whom you killed to get there land, remove your presents from the free peoples of argent land,
Aug 19th, 2010 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas does not exist, only in ones head, to demand another nation to leave just so you can spread your terror on a defenceless island stinks of dictatorship. you preach peace only when it suits a , we call people like you [sheep in wolves clothing]. never to be trusted never
Marco, You're not doing well .... and I've asked the wife but she says that, as far as she can remember, I'm straight ..... albeit pointing down these days :-)
Aug 19th, 2010 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Idiot!
Hoytred, You need to ask you wife that? You are not sure? Your prince in London is sure.
Aug 20th, 2010 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fag
Grow up you uneducated homophobic ape.
Aug 20th, 2010 - 01:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Kiss my rear end
Aug 20th, 2010 - 03:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marco the Dumbo - IQ smaller than his collar size and no idea of British humour :-)
Aug 20th, 2010 - 03:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islands are British ... Get Used To It !
Ok english fag.
Aug 20th, 2010 - 03:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas Argentinas, get used to.
Dumbo - how can I get used to something that is not real? There is no Argentine flag flying over the Falkland Islands, there is no control over the Falkland Islands by Argentina and Argentina does not possess the Falkland Islands ... your grasp on reality is tenuous!
Aug 20th, 2010 - 06:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, and a 'fag' in english is slang for a cigarrette. I assume you are speaking American?
Mmm, childish homophobic insults and he can't even get that right.
Aug 20th, 2010 - 07:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you're going to imply someone is a homosexual in British vernacular, the correct term is “Queer” or “Puff”. A “Fag” is a cigarrette or a new pupil at certain public schools.
Marco, such a loser, he can't even insult people properly.
My RKH shares are doing nicely, 312.25 and rising.
Aug 20th, 2010 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0C'mon guys. Marco wants someone to be “nice” to him. Sadly (for him), from here, I can only offer his rear end an Army boot, a flash eliminator or a bayonet.
Aug 20th, 2010 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0You choose, Marco. Course, I can't promise said items won't belong to a Gurkha boogyman.
Or would you prefer to stick with your door knob?
I know Marco it's pretty fucking amazing, that you're so scared and terrified of cross dressing British soldiers that you've given up the military option.
Aug 20th, 2010 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obvioulsy there is danger that if Machismo lost for a second time against cross dressing British soldiers Argentine solciety as we know it would collpase under such humilaition :)
Marco there seem to be alot of Argentines commenting on that video, have'nt teenagers like yourself heard of the “Special top shelf” in Argentine newsagents?
Argentina has a formal relationship with UK and some trade. Partnership? Friendship? NO! That only will come when the pirats of UK government's head stop supporting Kelperkistan project!
Aug 20th, 2010 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Piracy is a war-like act committed by private parties (not affiliated with any government) that engage in acts of robbery and/or criminal violence at sea.
Aug 20th, 2010 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By the pure definition of the word, a government can not be a pirate.
Britain must surely be aware that the economic drain of maintaining this distant colony will not be offset by revenue from oil if the vocal support for Argentina’s claim throughout the region turns to active support in the form of a trade embargo. Latin America has emerged from centuries of European and North American domination and is determined to assert its rights accordingly.
Aug 20th, 2010 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islands constitute one of the last remnants of British colonialism, part of a history of economic piracy stained with the blood of millions who suffered as a consequence. The sooner this history is brought to a close the better.
Malvinas Argentinas
Surely South American countries must be aware that Britain does not economically maintain the Falkland Islands.
Aug 20th, 2010 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And they must also know that they do not have the ability to maintain an illegal trade embargo.
The Falkland Islands shall be free.
The Falklands became financially independent in 1881, they have not required maintenance from the UK since. There is no economic drain. There is no financial incentive for the UK, revenue from any oil found will go to the Falkland Islands not the UK Exchequer.
Aug 20th, 2010 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands aren't a colony, the UK divested itself of the British Empire. It granted independence to any former colony that wanted it, it devolved self-government on those territories not ready to be fully independent. The policy of HMG since 1960 has been to grant full independence on request.
If you truly wish to see an end to the British Empire and British Colonies, then that wish was granted long ago.
Those are facts.
Argentina, a former Spanish colony, brutally expanded by the people of Argentina into Chile, Paraguay, Uruguay and Patagonia may utterly hypocritically preach about “colonialism”. However, it is hypocrisy and hubris of the highest order, since they seek to impose an alien culture and to deny the people of the Falkland Islands the right to self-determination. This is the antithesis of colonialism, in the 21st Century the only nation with colonial ambitions is Argentina.
This is not asserting your rights, it is naked aggression against a small island community. It is the worst example of racism, portraying a small community as figures of hate to unite the Argentine people, this is what the Nazis did. This is fascism.
Now if there is “vocal support” among you neighbours, they will expect a price to be paid; seems a cheap deal to me and they laugh behind your back. What you call regional solidarity is merely a common racial identity discriminating against a smaller community from a different ethnic background. Again this is racism, nothing more.
Hypocritically preach all you like about the worst of the British Empire, the Falklanders had nothing to do with it, its just an excuse. Sit in the blood soaked land you brutally ripped from the native population you exterminated .
Marco (#)
Aug 20th, 2010 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My Argentina must surely be aware that the economic drain of maintaining this distant windswept future colony will not be offset by revenue from oil if the vocal support for Argentina’s claim throughout the region turns to ignoring support in the form of a trade embargo. Against us from European and North American domination and is determined to assert its rights accordingly.
The Falkland Islands constitute one of the future remnants of argentine colonialism, part of a history of economic piracy stained with the blood of millions like Patagonians who suffered as a consequence. The sooner this history is brought to a close the better. And the sooner Argentina breaks up into smaller regions the better for all.
and that is future argentine history,
Britain must surely be aware that the economic drain of maintaining this distant colony will not be offset by revenue from oil if the vocal support for Argentina’s claim throughout the region turns to active support in the form of a trade embargo. Latin America has emerged from centuries of European and North American domination and is determined to assert its rights accordingly.
Aug 20th, 2010 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islands constitute one of the last remnants of British colonialism, part of a history of economic piracy stained with the blood of millions who suffered as a consequence. The sooner this history is brought to a close the better.
Malvinas Argentinas
“Britain must surely be aware that the economic drain of maintaining this distant colony will not be offset by revenue from oil ”
Aug 20th, 2010 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0100 million vs 60 billion barrels of oil. ok. sure it wont.
Marco, even if there is no oil there, none at all. We are more than happy to pay the 100 million a year.
What you don't get is that oil isn't the issue, if it's there then cool, if it aint, we don't care. we will ALWAYS be happy pay whatever it takes to protect the islands.
remember MARCO you are the one with the HOLE ??
Aug 20th, 2010 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ ... Latin America has emerged from centuries of European and North American domination and is determined to assert its rights accordingly...”
Aug 20th, 2010 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What rights are those then?
There are no rights that affect the Falkland Islands.
They're British - get used to it!
“They're British - get used to it!”
Aug 21st, 2010 - 05:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not sure mate after reading post here seem more Chilean I mean for the English style used. haha
Surely South American countries must realise that Britain does not economically support the Falkland Islands.
Aug 21st, 2010 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Surely they realise that an illegal trade embargo is beyond their pitiful capabilities.
Are they ready to accept the seabed of the South Atlantic being covered by a carpet of South American vessels?
For the sake of Argentine imperialism...................?
Regardless, the British government continues to refuse to negotiate sovereignty of the islands, citing the democratic rights of the 3,000 British citizens who currently inhabit them. It should be noted that the same rights were not granted to the inhabitants of another distant British colony, the island of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean, who were forcibly repatriated to Mauritius, 1,000 miles away, to make way for a US airbase in the mid 1960s. The former inhabitants of that island and their dependents won a historic High Court judgement back in 2000 declaring their expulsion illegal. In response, the then Blair government promptly rejected any possibility of them being allowed to return to the island, citing Britain’s treaty with the US handing it over for use as a military airbase. It should not be forgotten, of course, that the former inhabitants of Diego Garcia happen to have dark skin while the 3,000 residents of the Falkland Islands are white, English speaking colonists.
Aug 21st, 2010 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marco,
Aug 21st, 2010 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You seem determined to make a prat of yourself.
You keep mentioning the Chagos Islands. What do you mean by that, that the British Govenrment did something utterly wrong there, so they should do the same in the Falklands? A morally bankrupt argument if ever there was one.
Sadly what you claim is not true. The FCO would have happily sold the Falkland Islanders down the river. It colluded with the Argentine Govenrment to force dependence on Argentina, so they could get rid of the islands.
The difference is that the Falkland Islanders successfully organised a lobby in Parliament, this effectively stymied the FCO plans.
Black or white, the FCO didn't give a shit about the islanders. Fortunately there were others who stymied their plans. Equally there are others who have shown the British Government up in the courts for what they did to the Chagos Islanders.
And lets not pretend you give a shit about the Chagossian, you'd have been happy to see the same done to the Falklanders.
A question for you, Argentina was predominantly creole at independence, owing to the slaves brought over to the Spanish colony. Whatever happened to the black Argentines?
Justin “You keep mentioning the Chagos and Malvinas Islands. What do you mean by that, that the British Govenrment did something utterly wrong there”
Aug 21st, 2010 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We agree my Scot friend!
So should they do the same to the Falklanders?
Aug 21st, 2010 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whats your point.
Justin. Margo is trying to do a Twinky. And is just about as inane.
Aug 21st, 2010 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Notice that, faced with the known impossibility of a trade embargo, he reverts to the subject of sovereignty negotiations. Is there any chance you can remember how many times he's been told that sovereignty negotiations are pointless? The British Government WILL NOT discuss sovereignty until the Falkland Islanders want to. How likely is that? But to sit down with the corrupt government of Argentina would be to hand out a massive propaganda point.
Margo knows this, or he's just abysmally stupid. OK, he's abysmally stupid but someone told him to bring it up. Let us not forget that he is, in reality, Shagrat the orc. A nasty twisted little thing in thrall to the power of Mordor. The Great Eye of Sauron is burned into the back of his head. The Great Eye likes nasty twisted little slaves, but doesn't like to look at them.
But just remember how it goes. We continue to fight the good fight, and eventually the earth opens and all the nasty twisted little orcs fall into a chasm and burn in the everlasting fire.
Sounds good, doesn't it?
it is and was, and always will be Argentina that refuse to talk about the Falklands,
Aug 21st, 2010 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we want peace and harmony, ,the argies want dictatorship and violence,
they are greedy and care nothing for the people, Argentina, should give back the land it stole from others before it talks about the British,,
Argentina will break up into smaller parcels of land, as south Americans, like brazil wont and cant put up with a spoilt little child for much longer, Argentina is ruining brazils reputation, and status in the world, brazil says, the only place we want to see Argentina is in the nursery where it belongs, next next next
Got to love how in one post marco will tell us that our nation is being overrun by black islamic people, and in the next post tell us that we are racist towards people.
Aug 21st, 2010 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Margo has neither a brain or a mind, just programming!
Aug 21st, 2010 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0briton,“ like brazil wont and cant put up with a spoilt little child for much longer, Argentina is ruining brazils reputation”
Aug 22nd, 2010 - 05:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0MercoPress reported the observations of Brazil's president Lula da Silva on 24th February:
“Our attitude is one of solidarity with Argentina,” said the Brazilian president adding the question: “What is the geographical, political and economic explanation for England to be in the Malvinas?”
“What is the explanation for the United Nations never having that decision? It is not possible that Argentina is not the owner while England is, despite being 14,000 km away.”
zethe,“Got to love how in one post marco will tell us that our nation is being overrun by black islamic people”
?? Changing my words? Is it true that London aloud many of this radical islamic nuts preach hate? who calls London nowadays Londonistan?
Justin, nobody in Argentina, at least the majority, want to remove the islanders, take their properties or change their nationalities. We strongly believe, and we have good reasons, that the islands belong to Argentina and South America, and until UK gov. sits down and talks to Argentina Gov. in order to find a fair solution to this old dispute our claim will never go away.
Marco,
Aug 22nd, 2010 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're not interested in a fair solution to a problem you manufactured for yourselves. You've indoctinated children with a mendacious version of history to the point where you just can't face up to what really happened. Anytime anyone points out the holes in what you claim, you adopt the Ostrich postion, stick your fingers in your ears and chant I can't hear you.
You are a prime example, you refuse to address fundamentally simple question. Why? You don't like the answer.
So again, 1850 Convention of Settlement. How can a treaty that “settles existing differences” to create a “perfect peace”, leave an issue to burning in the Argentine consciousness unresolved?
And Argentina doesn't wish to sit down and negotiate. You were offered open talks on the matter. Argentina stipulated the only agenda it was prepared to considered was talks on how to transfer sovereignty to Argentina.
And for all you pious statements on the Falklanders, you yourself illustrate the Argentine mentality toward the Falklanders. You call them “Kelpers”, you deny they have any say in their future and your Government pursues an aggressive poilicy of interference.
Tell you what, if Argentina's claimn is soo strong lets see you in the ICJ. Oh but I forget Argentina won't got to the ICJ because it knows it will lose.
Your claim can either go away, we ignore it or you mature as a nation and stop blaming everyone else for problems of your own manufacture and stop indoctrinating your children to hate.
Justin, you are so scared that talks may go well on behalf of Argentina that you turn to attack and demonize all Argentinian, good luck.
Aug 22nd, 2010 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not in the slightest, Marco, just bored with Argentines claiming they want talks on sovereignty when they in fact want to dictate the agenda.
Aug 22nd, 2010 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh and didn't you just avoid an awkward question, for an ad hominem attack again. Stick a fork in this one he's done.
and if those talks fail. you will claim that they were false, and if other claims fail. you will say that they were all false, but if a couple of ducks say you own them, you will stand up and say to the world, if the ducks are right, then argentina is right [right] ??
Aug 22nd, 2010 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So tell me marco - what options would be on the table at these 'sovereignty' talks?
Aug 22nd, 2010 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. Independence for the Falkland islands ?
2. Maintaining the staus quo?
3. A transfer of ownership to Argentina?
Is it 1+2, 1+2+3, 2+3, 1+ 3 ... or just 1, or just 2 ............or just 3 ?
Come on enlighten me :-)
169: Theres no point holding talks about a subject which is not negotiable.
Aug 23rd, 2010 - 01:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well if you consider that Palestinians and Israelis agree this week to sit down again to find a solution to their dispute, I don't see why we can not do the same.
Aug 23rd, 2010 - 05:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0And the answer to the question at #172 would be what, Marco?
Aug 23rd, 2010 - 05:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0The problem in the past, including when the USA attempted mediation in 1982, was that Argentina is only prepared to see No.3 on the table. Which is a bit like saying that the Palestinians are only willing to discuss the total withdrawl of Israel from everywhere they've taken since 1948 ...... chances of success appear slim!
@ Zethe,
Aug 23rd, 2010 - 06:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Theres no point holding talks about a subject which is not negotiable”
You are right we have not doubt about our sovereignty to Malvinas/falkland and all surrounded area.
No point to discuss about at all.
Quite right NicebutDIM - Argentina has no doubt about its sovereignty but it won't go to the ICJ, it's desperate to move international opinion in order to force some discussions and cannot stop shouting from the roof tops that it is the real owner of the Falkland Islands.
Aug 23rd, 2010 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Britain has no doubt about her sovereignty and .... well that's it!
Nothing to discuss then .... no common ground .... because we're standing on it :-)
174: Again, Theres no point holding talks about a subject which is not negotiable.
Aug 23rd, 2010 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0“You are right we have not doubt about our sovereignty to Malvinas/falkland and all surrounded area.
No point to discuss about at all.”
Oh look, nico said something stupid again. Your country is the one who wants to discuss it, because it's your country who wants it to change.
As far was we are concerned, untill the islanders decide they want it to change, they will be british. And we will back them completely, even if it means defending them in another war, or spending millions a year on the base there.
Do it what is the problem?
Aug 23rd, 2010 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would be expending more if I would be you mate its not enough.
C'mon Margo, and NicoDoom. Just for once in your lives give a straight answer to a straight question.
Aug 23rd, 2010 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“So again, 1850 Convention of Settlement. How can a treaty that “settles existing differences” to create a “perfect peace”, leave an issue to burning in the Argentine consciousness unresolved?”
No dodging, no fudging, no alternative “examples”. Just answer the question.
If you don't, you will prove, beyond any doubt, that you have NO answer and NO legitimacy.
harrier, I did answer your question several times, don't change the subject. US finally got Palestinians- Israelis agenda on track , we are next on their agenda, is on their best interest to get it resolved. They, like us do not want British colonies in The Americas. Remember Hillary offer?
Aug 23rd, 2010 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Margo, You are an outright LIAR.
Aug 23rd, 2010 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As proven by the fact that I have NEVER asked the question before.
Wondered if you would see the trap, and you're so DUMB, you didn't!
Just a stinking little Argentine LIAR.
Rhaurie-Craughwell (#)
Aug 23rd, 2010 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Oh yes sorry, Argentines can rest slightly easier tonight it's only the welsh guards” .
Harrier61, Even the dumbest Scot makes fun of you harrier and the Welsh Guard!
P'nawn da
@harrier61
Aug 23rd, 2010 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My answer is:
We have no doubt about our legitimate sovereignty rights to Malvinas/falkland and all surrounded area.
We are committed to defend at any cost and by any mean the best interest of our citizens and Argentina’s overseas territories.
If you have no doubt, then why won't Argentina even contemplate the ICJ?
Aug 23rd, 2010 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Telling the answer to that awkward question isn't it.
So again, 1850 Convention of Settlement. How can a treaty that “settles existing differences” to create a “perfect peace”, leave an issue to burning in the Argentine consciousness unresolved?
And Marco, no you haven't answered it. About the closest you came was to claim, and this isn't substantiated by any noted historian, that Argentina was “coerced” after one of its “great military victories” into signing it.
The answer of course goes someway to explaining the lack of responses to the first question.
Who will give me odds they've avoid answering?
“ ... US finally got Palestinians- Israelis agenda on track ,...”
Aug 23rd, 2010 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marco, you really are young ...... us old ones have seen this all before .... more than once!
Palestinians- Israelis agenda ,,,first of this has nothing whatsoever to do with the Falklands conflict, and it will end completely differently
Aug 23rd, 2010 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but [marco] even if we agreed with you, , that the Palestinians should be freed, then the Falklands then should be free, if the Israelis should get out, then the Argentineans should get out, either way you lose, ,once again showing that if you cant have it your way, then no one has it .
I remember when I mention that the islanders Governor is the Former Anguilla Gov., and I was told “is just a symbolic position like Australia”.
Aug 24th, 2010 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Really?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/7960120/Australian-prime-minister-could-be-decided-by-Queens-representative.html
Bow to the old lady queen.... servants.
Yes, idiot child, just a figurehead ... with a set of rules to follow. First to invite the incumbent to form a government, then, if that fails, the Leader of the Opposition and if that fails, another election.
Aug 24th, 2010 - 03:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0You banana Republics are so young .... and have no real understanding of how a constitutional monarchy operates. When you've been around a thousand years then you may understand.
I love my Republic !
Aug 24th, 2010 - 03:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Keep working, Prince Charles and relatives need your tax money to fool around!...servants
http://www.usatoday.com/life/2003-11-10-prince-charles_x.htm
@Hoytred
Aug 24th, 2010 - 04:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ha ha “When you've been around a thousand years then you may understand”
None understand in the world how UK monarchy works because is a laugh.
You want to explain something that has not explanation at all.
All countries with the queen as a head of the Estate are still colonies where the monarch intervenes in their internal affairs.
No matter the level of relative freedom they believe to have.
Colonial mentality indoctrinated to be servile to the real rulers.
@Marco
I love this part haha
“has suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder and has previously suffered from alcoholism following active service in the Falklands”
Seems that the homosexual inclinations of the royal travesty is our fault too, ha ha
Nico, I read that part hahaha
Aug 24th, 2010 - 04:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hoytred “When you've been around a thousand years then you may understand” ahh ok... I found this old cartoon from the 1800's that represents that dead little empire:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/English_imperialism_octopus.jpg
Ahh, little people from a little country ... cute ain't they!
Aug 24th, 2010 - 05:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not much of a past, and little sign of an influencial future. I'm happy that you love your Republic.... you have to live in it.
I'd rather have our system any day of the week......we did try being a Republic once, but absolute power corrupts .... they're still looking for his head!
“ ... All countries with the queen as a head of the Estate are still colonies ...” Dumbo, if NicebutDIM is correct, then your cartoon is inaccurate as we still have the empire :-)
Pathetic isn't it, note the awkward questions ignored for childish insults.
Aug 24th, 2010 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0So again, 1850 Convention of Settlement. How can a treaty that “settles existing differences” to create a “perfect peace”, leave an issue to burning in the Argentine consciousness unresolved?
188 Marco:
Aug 24th, 2010 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually, Austrilia has asked the queen several times over her years as queen to step in and sort out constitutional crysis, each time she has refused, saying that she will only step in if it's absolutely required of her to do so.
If someone asks you for help that's not considered ruling them, you pair of complete idiots.
Malvinas Argentinas
Aug 24th, 2010 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please do not forget to bow to Prince Charles ....servants....sheeps
Marco, again you show your stupidity. First of all it's only the queen who had to be bowed to. Second of all, it is no longer required to bow to the queen in her presence, even if you meet her personally in her own home.
Aug 24th, 2010 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0marco and think. buddies to the end, yes we understand how you two are BUDDIES you just want to hide it with insults,
Aug 24th, 2010 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you all have learnt NOTHING from what embassador said. Deplorable
Aug 26th, 2010 - 05:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh but we did, unfortunately Marco is more guided by hate than being rational.
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