Chile questioned over slow implementation of Indigenous Peoples convention

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International Labour Organization (ILO) Standards Director Cleopatra Doumbia-Henry is meeting in the Chilean city of Temuco this week with Araucanía Region (IX) officials to discuss the lack of progress in implementing the ILO’s Indigenous and Tribal Peoples Convention. Read full article

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Sergio Vega
It was a big mistake that last government have signed that convention of ILO. We, in Chile, have just one kind of citiziens, so nobady must have special regulations as they asked for. Chilean originaries people are all people that have been born on our land, independent were their parents were born. That is a discrimination against the ramining people of Chile and it must be declared out of our Constitution that say that all people have the same right and duties in Chile....!!!
About the extremist groups of that are operating on the Araucania Region, they are financed from outside and they are ideoligized as extreme left wing and supported by known Latinamerican regimes and “guerrilleros” providing them armed war knowledge (Ecuador, FARC, etc.). This extreme groups must be set under the Terrorist Law implemented in Chile and be on jail for a long time, so the remaining pacific Chilean can live a quiet and happy life.
Aug 21st, 2010 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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harrier61
Sergio. I am disappointed in you. I thought you were a 21st century person.
Your ancestors travelled more than 7000 miles from their land of origin. They occupied land that belonged to other people. They imposed their own culture, probably ignoring that of the indigenous culture. Now, I'm not blaming you for that. It was 200 or more years ago and culture was different.
But surely, in the 21st century, it is time to recognise that the indigenous people have rights that pre-date yours, that they may have wishes that are not the same as your own and cannot be measured by the same yardstick. The Indigenous and Tribal Peoples Convention, 1989 is an attempt to reach a compromise acceptable to all.
To deny people their culture is inhuman.
Aug 21st, 2010 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Think
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Well........ What could be expected from a selfproclaimed “Proud Pinochetista”?.............. The beast always surfaces.................
Aug 21st, 2010 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Sergio Vega
I don´t hate the indigenous or nothing like that. For me they are just equal like others in our country, with the same rights and duties, because our Constitution say so. No special kind of citiziens must be created in our society. And this is the real 21st century view that be considered: ALL PEOPLE ARE THE SAME UNDER THE LAW ...
The indigenous, very few pure race and the most mixed with other races, have been treated as inferiro persons who needs the state protection from the rest of the people....and they are no dumbs, they are smart enough to live as a common citiziens. The real dumbs are whose have been ideologized by the extreme left wing groups inside and outside Chilean borders to create a very dangerous climate over the Araucania. The most of the people of this Region with indigenous ancestors are very quiet, hard workers and nice people whom are just hopping for a opportunity to develope themselves.
If you were living here, in Chile time enough you can understand that all they need is that the Constituton's parole be applied.....they don´t need be treated as special persons.
And, about the 2st century, yes we are in it so it means that cultures have been changing a lot and the indigenous costumes must change also and if they can be in accordance with the new times they will be lost....or you think that we must be locked to our past with no changes? That's not fair... we have the right to go on with the times ......It´s very different make an opinion from there were you hanven´t to deal with this problem...
Aug 22nd, 2010 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Conqueror
Sergio. I think I understand what you are saying. Let me ask you a couple of questions. An honest question, because I really want to know. How many of the indigenous people are there? And what is the population of Chile not counting the indigenous people?
Aug 22nd, 2010 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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jerry
Sergio - I can understand what you are saying, and you are absolutely correct. EVERYONE has the same rights under a democratic, constitutionly formed government. There should be no need for any group to have “special” favors.
Aug 22nd, 2010 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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briton
unless you were born in argentina.
Aug 22nd, 2010 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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jerry
I fail to see your point. Unfortunately, in many cases some groups are shown special favors, even though, constitutionly they should not, even in Argentina.
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Think
This legislation is just giving them their human rights back and some control over a minimal part of their formal territories...
All in all a good law.............
http://www.ilo.org/ilolex/cgi-lex/convde.pl?C169
Aug 23rd, 2010 - 04:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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jerry
Why a “special” law for certain people? The laws should be for ALL!
Aug 23rd, 2010 - 04:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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(10)Jerry

Because our “LAW” does not always work with indigenous communities.
One simple example: Land Titles.......
Indigenous Communities own their territories as a group, not as individuals.
This has until now not been accepted by the dominant society.
The ILO convention corrects this mistake.

Why don't you read the law yourself instead of repeating clichees?

If you are South American you know perfectly that our “LAWS” have never protected the Indigenous Peoples.
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harrier61
I see people rushing in without waiting for Sergio to respond. I think Conqueror's questions are reasonable and need to be answered.
But, while we're at it, let's ask some more questions.
Are there “special” arrangements for blind people, for disabled people, for people who are deaf, or dumb? Should people with “special needs” not merit “special arrangements”?
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NicoDin
@Sergio Vega

“The most of the people of this Region with indigenous ancestors are very quiet, hard workers and nice people whom are just hopping for a opportunity to develope themselves”

Yeah! And you surely keep them working in your farm just for a meal waiting until they get what you have called “for a opportunity to develope themselves”

You have a quiet double standard mate, while you claim self-determination for the Brits wannabe you deny the same right to your own people. Aha!

May be they want their land back and sit to see you waiting for “The Opportunity to develop yourself”

@harrier61

All people less lucky, weak or minority should be protected even you Harrier61 this is the way civilized societies should behave.

@ Conqueror

The proportion of indigenous (Amerindians) in Chile is a controversial issue some studies from University of Chile says that Amerindian ancestry is estimated at 70% of the Chileans population and 25% from European descendents and 5% not listed.

Other says that are 44% Amerindian and the propaganda says that 90% are white German/Irish/French because they got Bernardo O'Higgins and OTTO Man you know seems the guy was very sexual active and populated the whole Chile

Another study from Lizcano (in 2005) states that 30% are from European background, 65% as either castizo (mixed Amerindians/ Spanish/other) and 5% not clearly defined.

But according with a Chilean I met in London... he told me that to have Amerindian blood is not a good thing in Chile because you are discriminated so none want to admit their original roots.

Choose from what you like more but after seen what have posted “Sergio Vega” I understand what fellow Chilean said to me in London.

What contrast to what our Collas think about themselves here and none is financing them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqf1lFjoyhc&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqf1lFjoyhc&NR=1
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