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Falkland Islands: Oil activities still remain encouraging

Friday, September 3rd 2010 - 13:04 UTC
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THE offshore oil drilling rig Ocean Guardian continues its work at Rockhopper Exploration’s Sea Lion well, where hydrocarbons were encountered earlier this year. The well at that time was suspended for re-entry and testing. Read full article

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  • Marco

    “The Falklands is of course only one country out of many promoting oil exploration, and companies weigh up the odds when applying for licences“
    Wrong Malvinas is an old colony of UK that belongs to Argentina and South America.

    ” she said there was no guarantee that the well would produce commercial hydrocarbons ”
    Is she opening the umbrella before failure news hit hard?

    Sep 03rd, 2010 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Billy Hayes

    “Is she opening the umbrella before failure news hit hard?”

    That was my first impression when I read the article.

    Sep 03rd, 2010 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    “Encouraging “ nice word. Isn’t it?

    Shetland Islands umm seems a good option for me.

    “We are fortunate to have committed licensees who are investing a lot of money in exploration at present, which is benefiting the local economy. We hope it will continue”

    Sounds the preamble of “Hasta la vista baby”

    Sep 03rd, 2010 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Marco & Billy. You both no very little about the Falklands, the Islanders and certainly haven't a clue about oil exploration or investing. Your comments above continue to make you look prats. Uneducated ones at that!

    Of course commercial flow is not established but RKH have enough data to be very bullish about this flow test (the wirleine logs and the api results are pointing to a sucessful flow test). The next step will be a full appraisal programme but this is some time away after a number of other prospects have been confirmed and flow rates confirmed.

    Your hopes of this being a failure are based on looking for non existant clues in sound bites. Very sad individuals.

    Sep 03rd, 2010 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Sergio Vega

    I´m glad that the activity on oil exploration contines there. It will take a long time, for sure, but will be very good for the Falklands economy and they will know how to preserve their enviroment, too. Not as our L.A. countries, where the enviroment was not considered.

    Sep 03rd, 2010 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • harrier61

    I gather it can take 10 years to bring a field on line. Long time for the argies to wait for failure!

    Sep 03rd, 2010 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marco

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    Sep 03rd, 2010 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Marco, no idea where that came from, never bother to open your labels . But you and they know little. Falknds Conservation IS the strong leader here in all environmental issues - it has several Directors - not just one!Furthermore its operations are done by its manager - who is a professional and he would very quickly sound the alarm if he was ever being pushed the wrong way by the Directors. Here in a small population people often wear more than one hat - but also asits asmall population I doubt one could get away with what that article tried to imply in any field.
    The Islands have a first rate record on Maritme conservation to date. We are a (if not THE) world leader in seabird death mitigation control. Death to albatrosses is no virtually zero in Falklands and South Georgia zones.
    We used to have joint maritme conservation meetings and agreements with somebody - until they threw a little tantrum and ran out of the door - wonder which country that was? A clue - name begins with A---. This even was meant to control the areas outside both our zones - so now there is nothing- thasnks to A----. Suggest you look at home first before you criticise others over conservation.
    As for Oil - Beef is totally correct - neither you nor Billy are anymore of a petroleum expert than me - and I am not! But I can understand commonsense and reality.
    Share prices - there is so much media hype and speculation it is all a bit silly at times. Always remember the good basic press rule-“never let the truth get in the way of a good story” - UK is just as bad as Arg media in that!!
    All the fuss Arg is about to make at the UN over risk of oil pollution by offshore work here is a farce - cannot your Lady look at a map and wind and ocean currents!! It would have to go all the way around the world, back around Cape Horn and then turn left into prevailing winds and currents to hit your beaches!

    Sep 03rd, 2010 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marco

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    Sep 03rd, 2010 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    Last time I looked there were plenty of Penguins in the Falklands, if Bingham had been right they would now be extinct. Yet they're thriving.

    Suggest you dig a bit deeper, find out about his qualifications and what the trial judge had to say about him being the author of most of his misfortune.

    Sep 03rd, 2010 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Marco . Ha ha ha - every time you attempt to indiacte that the exploration is a failure you continue to make youself look even more like a numpty. I still hold FOGL and am still in profit. The drill on Toroa was a margin drill of a springhill formation using a rig modified for the water depth. It was a wildcat drill with a low cos - I was hedged :-)

    So far we have a gas discovery and an oil discovery that is being flow tested. Such oil finds do not happen in isolation so am happy to sit an wait for more of sea lons brothers and sisters.

    In exploration 4 drills with a 1 gas find and 1 oil find is considered a very pleasing result :-)

    BTW - if the oil exploration was illegal then why hasn't your government taken the matter to the ICJ. Looks like they are afriad to have their legal arguments systematically cut to ribbons, which would lead to more embarrasment.

    The only thing that is failing is Argentina's futile attempts to stop the drilling. Even your apparent supporters are not bothered about your bleating. Brazil even welcomed the rig into its ports on the way down.

    Nice try but it is about time you engaged with reality and not your deluded view of the world. You will be happier!

    Sep 03rd, 2010 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marco

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    Sep 03rd, 2010 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/1999/oct/11/johnezard

    Seeing as you like the Guardian, a more balanced perspective on Bingham's claims. Anyone care to guess his current employer?

    I'll give you a clue it starts with an A, ends with an a, and has 9 letters.

    Sep 03rd, 2010 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marco

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    Sep 03rd, 2010 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Pot to kettle over

    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/feb2003/arge-f22.shtml

    Sep 03rd, 2010 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    And its the wromg link

    “Simon Reeve leads a team of presenters on a journey through the spectacular landscapes of Argentina, from the vast ice fields of Patagonia to the wide-open plains of the pampas.

    In the south, a group of indigenous people are locked in a historic dispute with the area's biggest landowners, Italian clothing giants Benetton; in Buenos Aires, the children of the disappeared are seeking to find out the truth of what happened to their parents at the hands of Argentina's generals; and in the pampas we meet one of the last true gauchos, whose way of life is being destroyed by an argricultural revolution.

    On the way, we take in one of the greatest matches in world football, visit a penguin colony on the edge, and meet a bishop with a rather unorthodox interest in Evita.”

    And of Bingham and his Supreme Court Victory:

    The applicant comes out of this with no credit either. It is apparent that in a number of ways he has tried to obscure or mislead and has to a certain extent been the author of his own misfortunes.

    Chief Justice Wood

    http://en.mercopress.com/2003/10/31/penguin-news-update

    Oh and by the way, he won his case in the Supreme Court, so how is this in anyway supposed to demonstrate that the Falklands is “authoritarian”.

    Were this Argentina for example, Presidential Decree and he'd be gone.

    Anyone guessed who employed him?

    Sep 03rd, 2010 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marco

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    Sep 03rd, 2010 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Pity
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2062771.stm

    Sep 03rd, 2010 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    Marco,

    Tell me, are you so engrossed in posting the same crap over and over again, to realise that the later article has been posted, its much more toned down reflecting that perhaps Mike Bingham wasn't the best source for the first article. Not to mention what the judge had to say about him in his great victory in the Supreme Court.

    “The applicant comes out of this with no credit either. It is apparent that in a number of ways he has tried to obscure or mislead and has to a certain extent been the author of his own misfortunes.”

    There weren't any death threats, a few unpleasant calls, that were traced by the FI police.

    “Political Corruption” some official exceeded authority and the Supreme Court slapped them down. The system worked, the balance between Executive and Judiciary.

    “Freedom of Speech in Argentina”

    Unless you happen to criticise Cristina....

    He left for Argentina with his Argentine girl friend who was 5 months pregnant, to take up a job with the Argentine Government who made him a better offer.

    The truth is out there but lets face it Marco, you ain't interested in the truth. Or facing awkward questions either.

    Sep 03rd, 2010 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    As long as the penguins dont go hungry
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2484061.stm

    Sep 03rd, 2010 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marco

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    Sep 03rd, 2010 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Pity

    The Semillas al Viento farm is a part of Huerta Nino (My Garden), a nonprofit foundation that works to alleviate malnutrition and starvation in Argentina. Since 1999, it has helped build more than 50 small farms, many of them in isolated villages in northern Argentina. Despite being one of the world's largest agricultural-producing countries, Argentina still struggles to feed its people.

    “Hunger is one of the gravest problems that Argentina has right now. At least 300,000 Argentine children are suffering from undernourishment,” says Juan Lapetini, executive director of Huerta Nino.

    Sep 03rd, 2010 - 11:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    THIMC

    Post (19) by Justin Kuntz is a good example of this ” man with a mission” methods of twisting his realities with omissions and small but strategically well placed lies……

    He uses this method profusely in Wikipedia where not only the Falklands but also Gibraltar are his roaming areas…….. An imperial keyboard warrior…..

    Back to Dr. Bingham……
    His wife is not Argentinean but Chilean …..
    They did not wish to leave the Islands……
    There was no “better offer” waiting in Argentina….
    The three of them were threatened and ostracized by many Islanders to protect “vital economical interests”….

    And to finish:
    The problem with penguin mortality extends nowadays to the sea-lion and sea-elephant colonies in Malvinas and it is very real.
    This is no secret in the Islands….. It can (quite indirectly) be read in their own official homepages and PDF documents…..
    Most (if not all) of Dr. Bingham data and censes are still being used in the official statistics and publications.
    Dr. Bingham conclusions about penguin mortality are still, by far, the most logical explanation for the problem.

    Sep 04th, 2010 - 05:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marco

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    Sep 04th, 2010 - 05:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    I see that Marco has not replied to my earlier post (11). He would much rather talk about penguins than explain how he can label the oil exploration a failure or why his excuse for a government hasn't taken the matter to the ICJ!

    Come on Marco embarrass yourself again.

    Sep 04th, 2010 - 05:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @Beef

    Why we have to go to a court base in Europe when we can go closer as it is a regional dispute?

    After all you keep claiming that the Islanders have full control of their lives. Or is another lie?

    We can take the case to OAS or UNASUR are you afraid?

    Or we can go to the 3 and wins who gets 2 favorable sentence that would be fair. Don’t you think so?

    Again are you afraid?

    Come on beef the only one embarrassing himself here is Mr beef.

    Sep 04th, 2010 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    The ICJ is the primary judicial organ of the United Nations, it is unbiast, unlike what a court from the OAS or UNASUR would be.

    Sep 04th, 2010 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

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    Sep 04th, 2010 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • harrier61

    I do hope Argentina takes its case to an OAS or UNASUR court. These have about as much credibility as C24.

    Sep 04th, 2010 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Nico. Firstly it is Dr Beef to you. I didn't gain a PhD to be called Mr from the likes of you. The only one afraid here is Argentina. By refusing to take the matter to the ICJ for an unbiased legal analysis it is clear that Argentina's argument has more holes in it that Swiss cheese.

    Take your argument to the OAS if you wish. All the verbal rhetoric is meaningless. I have put my money where my mouth is. Have you?

    Sep 04th, 2010 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Hmmmmmmmmm...............

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/7978602/Rockhopper-execs-collect-early-bonuses-after-Falklands-oil-find.html

    Sep 04th, 2010 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    A well (excuse the pun) deserved bonus! Hope the directors can get a good few more bonuses as we progress!

    Sep 04th, 2010 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Think, I am probably with you on this one! Unless that is the Directors have actually been doing a lot of otherwise unpaid work. It does sound a bit “bankish” - maybe I dont understand the business - but it is worth a question.
    On your posting on Mike Bingham, what was deemed to be wrong was the WAY Govt here did what they did - not the aim - just the methods. At the end of the day he was still a Deceitful Liar - even he cannot dispute his false credentials he used to get with at first.

    Sep 04th, 2010 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marco

    I see, When I bring hard evidence of high levels of corruption in the islands are removed by the editor...I guees I have to escape from Malvinas to mainland Argentina to seek Freedom of Speech like Dr. Bingham did.

    Sep 04th, 2010 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Typhoon

    Escape from where???

    Sep 04th, 2010 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marco

    beef said : “Nico. Firstly it is Dr Beef to you. I didn't gain a PhD to be called Mr from the likes of you”

    Nico, how did you forget that?. “Beef is a royal member” and we need to bow to him, like they do to their Governor from Anguilla.
    Let's not forget that he gain a Phd....in garbage collectiom.

    Sep 04th, 2010 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Nicotone escape from loony bin dont you mean

    Sep 04th, 2010 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    36 Marco, i have told you before, and it's likely that your too blind with idiocy to realise it this time.

    But no-one bows to the queen or any royal family member anymore.

    Sep 04th, 2010 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Fernando_A

    haha, apparently the editor deleted my comment, I think he didn't like my idea as to what could be done with Phyl Rendell and her oil pipes, frankly I thought it was the most sensible thing to do

    There was no foul language, editor, are we a bit biased?

    Sep 04th, 2010 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Sep 04th, 2010 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • dab14763

    “We can take the case to OAS or UNASUR are you afraid?”

    UNASUR doesn't have a court. The OAS has the Inter-American Juridical Committee
    http://www.oas.org/cji/eng/inter_american_juridical_committee.htm
    It's an advisory body, ie non binding, and it can't determine sovereignty. To take any case regarding the Falklands there, first you would have to make the Falklands, or the UK as its sovereign state, a member of the OAS.

    Sep 04th, 2010 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Fernando_A

    41 dab14763: you've got it backwards

    OAS stands for Organization Of American States, OAS does not recognize the name “Falklands”, only Malvinas. The UK is located in Europe so it cannot be part of the Organization Of American States. Can it?

    Consequently, Islas Malvinas becomes a member of OAS, as NO ONE in the American continent refers to Malvinas as “the Falklands” and NO ONE within OAS disputes Argentina's sovereignty over Malvinas.

    Was that clear enough?

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100043042/hillary-clinton-slaps-britain-in-the-face-again-over-the-falklands/

    Sep 05th, 2010 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • J.A. Roberts

    Hmm, I don't see how Dab got it “backwards” Fernando. You certainly missed his point though...

    Sep 05th, 2010 - 08:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    42 Fernando_A : The editor obviously dislikes anyone talking about oil pipes lol, as they removed my message too, i certanly never said anything insulting or rude.

    Sep 05th, 2010 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Typhoon

    Just a little snippet I found whilst “trawling”!

    “5. The name ''Malvinas'', is a bastardisation of the French name ''Malouines'', the early French claim being taken over by the Spanish. The original Argentine name, as published in the original sovereignty claim, was ''Islas Falkland'', something conveniently forgotten.”

    I think we can now forget all this “Malvinas” codswallop. If South Americans, particularly Argentines, can't remember the name in their claim, we'll just call them “The Islands”.

    Sep 05th, 2010 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (33) Islander1

    I can read in this article that:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/1999/oct/11/johnezard
    1) He was prosecuted but THE CHARGE WAS ABANDONED on grounds of high witness costs…
    2) The Falklands Inquiry asked the Falklands Conservation UK office to check Mr. Bingham’s documents. They produced a handwritten application form on which he did appear to claim a first class Open University degree. The form WILL BE EXAMINED BY HANDWRITING EXPERTS.
    3)Mr. Bingham said when told this: “I don't remember writing this.”

    To the best of my knowledge, the case was never reopened…. The document was never analyzed by any “experts” and Dr. Bingham continues to deny the charge..........

    But still you are able to declare:
    ”At the end of the day he was still a Deceitful Liar - even he cannot dispute his false credentials he used to get with at first.”

    How comes?

    Sep 05th, 2010 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Typhoon

    An interesting scenario posed by Twinky.......!

    Let us pose some questions...........

    1 - Did Bingham apply for the post that he was given?
    2 - Did he provide any evidence of his qualifications?
    3 - Why did he not produce “his” copy of his application form?
    4 - Who, besides Bingham, might have written his application form?
    5 - Why did Bingham promptly take up a post in Argentina?
    6 - Is it possible that Bingham had previously been working in South America and his new job in Argentina was a reward/promotion?

    Sep 05th, 2010 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    I see rather than engaging in a discussion, Think continues to indulge in personal attacks in an attempt to devalue what people have to say. Do I really frighten you that much?

    So Wikipedia.

    On the Falklands I have worked with a number of Argentine editors, I helped write the GADA 601 article for example. A number of Aregentine editors I actually consider friends and I have Barnstars for writing neutral and well researched articles.

    On Gibraltar, there were a number of Spanish editors who wished to hijack the article to remove any mention of devolved Government, the democratic elections and, well, basically they got away with it. I happened to be in a bad way mentally at the time. I didn't however use my problems with PTSD as an excuse.

    As regards Bingham, when I first read about what had been happening, in the Guardian as it happens, I was, like Terry Peck, outraged, Then when I looked into it a bit further I found it was not as clear cut as portrayed. Read the later article in the Guardian, it is toned down significantly and the judgement in the Supreme Court is not as clear a victory as you portray.

    I was in fact responding to the one sided derogatory posts, providing information that someone objective would have provided.

    I do however note Think that you project your own failings onto others. A ”man with a mission” twisting realities with omissions and small but strategically well placed lies. I don't have a need to lie but you do all the time, I note that you never address any awkward question put to you. Your debating style seems to be trying to drag up dirt on people, funnily enough I've never felt the need to try and dig up dirt on you from Facebook or Wikipedia, though from your comments I would have a pretty good guess at who you are.

    More later.

    Sep 05th, 2010 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Yeahhhh…………… I’m afraid of miserably loosing my time trying to reason with an insulting troll.................

    And WikiP shares my judgement…………..

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2010-05-17/Arbitration_report

    Wikipedia Signpost / 2010-05-17 / Arbitration report

    Gibraltar: The case was opened to address issues of ownership and nationalist warfare on articles related to Gibraltar. As a result of the case, both “Gibnews” and “Justin A Kuntz” were topic-banned from articles related to Gibraltar (the former for a year, the latter for three months), and discretionary sanctions were enacted for the subject area.

    Sep 05th, 2010 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Wasn't think banned from Posting on MercoPress for a while?

    Sep 05th, 2010 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Think, He was indeed a deceiful liar about his qualifications,yes.Other re OAS - how about a “fact finding” visit by some members of the OAS to here then to see for themselves and to talk to Islanders themselves? NeitherArg NOR any UK participation in it - just some OAS members who are prepared to arrive without a preconceived bias - to come with an open mind, talk to the people and our elected Govt.
    They could then go onto Buenos Aires if they wanted to.

    Sep 05th, 2010 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (51) Islander1
    Excuse me .........but what you are saying sounds very much like the kind of “justice” you could get in the “old days” Latin- American or African dictatorships ....

    You acuse a man.......
    Then, you drop the case.......
    You mention some documents.....
    But never produce those documents....
    The man gets no chance to defend himself...
    But for you, the man is indeed guilty as bloody hell.....
    Some justice !!!

    About OEA, UNASUR, C24 or wathever “fact finding” visits.........

    Mate,................. that's your Government job to organize.....
    I have read in here a couple of times about the existence of a so called “Open Invitation” to visit the Islands.....
    No such thing exists in the “diplomatic” world....
    That's not the way it's done........

    Sep 05th, 2010 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    Well I can see how you might think that er Think, having lived in a South American military dictatorship. But that isn't the way we do things, I would say don't judge people by your own standards.

    And yes Think there is an open invitation for the C24 to visit both Gibraltar and the Falkland Islands. If that how it isn't done pray tell how does the FIG otherwise get people to visit and find out for themselves?

    Also Think, the document in question was produced and he did get a chance to defend himself in the Supreme Court. Simply one aspect of the case wasn't pursued.

    Sep 05th, 2010 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Typhoon

    What do you know, dippy Twinky doesn't attempt to answer questions put but indulges in more obfuscation.

    As a matter of fact, C24 has been invited to visit on a number of occasions. I wonder how that works? C24 is invited and turns up, C24 is invited and doesn't turn up? C24 isn't invited but turns up anyway?

    C'mon Twinky. Answer. FOR A CHANGE!!

    Sep 05th, 2010 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    all they realy want is C4, thats all they understand.

    Sep 05th, 2010 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Wireless

    (31) I'm afraid we've all 'escaped', this webspace is hosted in Montevideo, Uruguay. Perhaps the concept of the Internet eludes you, but a clue might be in the preamble to almost all URLs, www = World Wide Web.

    Sep 05th, 2010 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marco

    By October 1996 plans for oil exploration around the Falklands were proceeding at a pace. Concerned that Falklands Conservation would demand protection for wildlife, the director of Desire Petroleum, Lewis Clifton, was proposed as chairman of the organisation. By law such an appointment had to be put to a vote at the Annual General Meeting, and it was clear that the director of an oil company drilling for oil would never be voted in charge of the Falklands’ only wildlife conservation organisation. With no chance of election, trustees ignored the law, and elected themselves and Clifton prior to the Annual General Meeting. This was totally illegal, and the UK Charity Commission wrote to Falklands Conservation stating that they had breached the constitution, and that the appointments were illegal, but Falklands Conservation did not reverse the appointments. The Falkland Islands' only wildlife conservation organisation was now in the hands of an oil company director, with disastrous consequences for Falklands wildlife.

    http://www.falklands.net/FalklandsCorruption.shtml

    Sep 06th, 2010 - 05:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Fernando_A

    A wildlife conservation organization directed by an oil company director, yeah.. that's sensible.

    On the bright side, if the UK f---s up again and spills oil all over the damn place, all we have to do to get rid of you is light a match.

    Sep 06th, 2010 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    This is corruption:

    http://en.mercopress.com/2008/09/29/clue-witness-ready-to-testify-in-suitcase-money-scandal
    http://en.mercopress.com/2008/09/29/clue-witness-ready-to-testify-in-suitcase-money-scandal
    http://en.mercopress.com/2008/09/29/clue-witness-ready-to-testify-in-suitcase-money-scandal
    http://en.mercopress.com/2008/09/29/clue-witness-ready-to-testify-in-suitcase-money-scandal

    A website built by someone with a grudge isn't.

    Oh and isn't Argentina drilling off-shore? Wouldn't want to be a bunch of utter hypocrites would we?

    Sep 06th, 2010 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Fernando - can't appear to remember a UK oil spill? Do you mean in the Gulf of Mexico & BP?

    Funny as BP is not a UK company?

    Sep 06th, 2010 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    I appear to remember some “romantic” names

    Torrey Canyon.....
    Amoco Cadiz.....
    Sea Empress...
    Brent Spar...
    Braer...

    Rockdropper... 308 p
    Dis you short this morning?

    Sep 06th, 2010 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    58 Fernando_A

    BP - A joint UK /US company, with amrican managment and american workers spills oil in the gulf.

    Yes, the UK really messed up there.

    Sep 06th, 2010 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marco

    “It'll always be ”British Petroleum“ to me
    Memo to Brits: Quit whining about the name. Americans are incredibly pissed about what BP has done in the Gulf”

    http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2010/06/14/british_offended_bp_obama

    Sep 06th, 2010 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    Think,

    Did you skimp your research this morning. Now depends what you mean by a “UK oil spill”. UK waters or UK owned.

    Torrey Canyon - At the time of the accident it was registered in Liberia and owned by Barracuda Tanker Corporation, a subsidiary of Union Oil Company of California but chartered to British Petroleum. UK Waters.

    Amoco Cadiz - Owned by Amoco, Amoco Corporation, originally Standard Oil Company (Indiana), was a global chemical and oil company, founded in 1889 around a refinery located in Whiting, Indiana. Amoco Cadiz actually happened in French waters.

    Sea Empress - Owner: Alegrete Shipping Co, Inc., Monrovia but UK waters

    Braer - Owner: Braer Corporation, Operator: Canadian Ultramar Ltd, UK waters.

    There have been a couple of spills but always foreign owned and operated vessels.

    Really not sure what you were thinking of with Brent Spar -

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brent_Spar

    It wasn't an oil disaster, in fact it was never even a spill. Would that be twisting realities with omissions and small but strategically well placed lies?

    I note that yet again you're dodging questions with obfuscations.

    Sep 06th, 2010 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Think - only tend to open up short positions near to info. Don't see the point in paying rollover fees! Also the COS is too high, I would rather go long on this by holding equity.

    Not interested in the daily fluctuations which are not of any concern!

    Sep 06th, 2010 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Forgot about the rollover fees...... :-)

    Sep 06th, 2010 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Typhoon

    “On 18 March 1967, owing to a navigational error, the Torrey Canyon struck Pollard's Rock on Seven Stones reef between the Cornish mainland and the Scilly Isles. An inquiry in Liberia, where the ship was registered, found Shipmaster Pastrengo Rugiati was to blame, because he took a shortcut to save time in getting to Milford Haven.” Sounds like an Italian to me. Unless you're blaming Cornwall for getting in the way?
    ”Amoco Cadiz contained 1,604,500 barrels (219,797 tons) of light crude oil from Ras Tanura, Saudi Arabia and Kharg Island, Iran. Severe weather resulted in the complete breakup of the ship before any oil could be pumped out of the wreck. Therefore its entire cargo of crude oil (cargo which belonged to Shell) spilled into the sea, as did 4000 tons of fuel oil..... In subsequent legal proceedings in Chicago, United States, the owners of the tug were held to have been completely blameless while France was awarded US$120 million from the American oil company Amoco in 1990.“ Who did you want to blame? Amoco? American company. Shell? American company.
    ”Greenpeace's own reputation also suffered during the campaign, when it had to acknowledge that its assessment of the oil remaining in Brent Spar’s storage tanks had been grossly overestimated.” Whoops!

    Others already dealt with by Justin.

    I notice that there hasn't been a single South American poster, including twinky, who has attempted to answer my questions at (47).

    Sep 06th, 2010 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Nah Think. I would much rather make money of the investment houses than give them my hard earned University Lecturer salary.

    Plus the spread wouldn't have been appropriate for me to short. Too small a margin for my small free capital.

    Anyway the flow test is underway with a 30 day estimate, although the weather could delay things a bit. Will be interesting to see when the OG starts flaring - a beautiful site that I occasionally see when flying over the Arabian gulf at night!

    Sep 06th, 2010 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Hmmmmmm................

    You say that you are not on the I I I but you certainly sound very much like those guys ;.)

    “Now the only thing to decide is on wich side of the platform to flare” etc. etc. etc.....

    I guess we will have to wait those 30 days....... wont we?

    Sep 06th, 2010 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Think
    oil or no oil the Falklands are British, win win situation :-)

    Sep 06th, 2010 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Think. I never said I wasn't on iii, I said I prefer to get my news from reliable sources, iii is a good reference point and to have a chat with interesting individuals (such as yourself on here). One problem with it is it also frequented by the occasional plonke r(bit like Marco, gassy and nicotine). I suppose it takes allsorts to make the world go around.

    Could be 30 days or could be less (could me more depending on the weather). We will have to wait and see.

    Until then I have a chapter on Evidence Based Practice within the context of UK healthcare policy from 1991 to the current day!

    Sep 06th, 2010 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Fernando_A

    What does BP stands for?

    Funny, reminds me of a question a I asked recently to a Malvinas islander. “What does your passport say on the cover?”

    They don't seem to know a whole lot about themselves. Do they?

    “BP will fight tooth and nail against accusations that it was grossly negligent. If the charge stands, it faces fines of up to $21bn. BP wouldn't be able to pass off other costs, such as the clean-up and damages, to its partners. With investigations by the Department of Justice, among others, only just beginning, US lawyers say it will take years to decide who was to blame for the accident – and the full level of BP's liabilities.”
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/sep/06/bp-oil-spill-future

    62 Zethee: “BP - A joint UK /US company, with amrican managment and american workers spills oil in the gulf.”

    “US lawyers say it will take years to decide who was to blame for the accident”

    Now now.. lets not get ahead of ourselves, you can't wash your hands yet.

    Sep 06th, 2010 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marco

    When the Sea Lion well blows, BP will tell all, as they did after deepwater horizon, that it wasn’t their well. It belongs to Rockhopper. Rockhopper, they will say, is an independent drilling enterprise run and owned by Falklanders, a completely local enterprise. But wait. A check of Rockhopper’s senior management and board of directors shows that all are currently residents of England and, guess what?, former BP employees

    What about the colonists? What will happen to them when their beloved island paradise is coated in a sea of crude petroleum? The fishing and seal and sea lion hunting that supports most of these 2,000 souls will be nothing more than a bitter memory. Such a small number of people can be pensioned off and flown back to Britain, leaving the islands and the mess along with them at the disposition of Argentina. Surely, BP will do that for them. It’s the least they can do.

    http://kanan48.wordpress.com/2010/06/19/bp-and-falklands-oil-row/

    Sep 06th, 2010 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    BP no longer stands for anything anymore it is now simply a name - has been that way for some time, the name of the company is BP-Amoco, formed by the merger of BP and Amoco.

    It was actually an American company subcontracted by BP to run its rig, who disabled safety systems with the knowledge of the US regulatory authorities. Yeah, the legal actions are going to be interesting.

    Suggest you do your research more thoroughly in future.

    And they have a British passport, so what. They choose to retain a relationship with the UK.

    Feel free to carry on with the bigoted rant.

    Sep 06th, 2010 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Right...... you never said.... my mistake....
    19 NHS EBP yrs................... sounds like fun

    Sep 06th, 2010 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marco

    “England is in a hurry, and needs money. No matter if it is Britsh Petroleoum, Rockhopper or what ever it is , they need money for the empire and if they leave your beaches full of oil they don’t care. You know why? Because they live in London not in MIAMI!!!! ”

    Sep 06th, 2010 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    Marco,

    Pull your head out of your arse please. Seal Hunting was banned in 1921. 3500 residents and climbing. Oh and stop posting the most ridiculous crap.

    Sep 06th, 2010 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marco

    It is ironic that 22 years after British troops died for democracy in the Falklands, that a British citizen would be forced to flee the Falklands to escape political corruption and death threats, to seek democracy and freedom of speech in Argentina.

    http://www.falklands.net/FalklandsCorruption.shtml

    Sep 06th, 2010 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    “What does BP stands for?”

    Beyond Petroleum. It's had many names over the years, from Anglo-Persian Oil Company, Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, British Petroleum Company, BP and now BP Amoco.

    Also wash our hands? it's a private company, the blame and consequences will probably land on BP's head. It's a shame it happened but it's nothing to do with british people or government.

    Sep 06th, 2010 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Typhoon

    Margo is such an ass!

    Let us pose some questions...........

    1 - Did Bingham apply for the post that he was given?
    2 - Did he provide any evidence of his qualifications?
    3 - Why did he not produce “his” copy of his application form?
    4 - Who, besides Bingham, might have written his application form?
    5 - Why did Bingham promptly take up a post in Argentina?
    6 - Is it possible that Bingham had previously been working in South America and his new job in Argentina was a reward/promotion?

    Sep 06th, 2010 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    Margo is such an ass!

    Sorry but that isn't quite right, thats where his head is.

    Sep 06th, 2010 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marco

    Let's remember that BP changed its name from British Petroleum in large part to push the phony rebranding of “Beyond Petroleum.” As it turns out, though, they just can't quit oil. It runs through their veins ... and onto our shores.

    Sep 06th, 2010 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    Singing la, la, la, la, la, la,
    Just like everyone else does when they can't think of anymore words.

    Sep 06th, 2010 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Fernando_A

    I love BPs website, it's all nice and green.. haha

    Sep 06th, 2010 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Marco and Fernando, you do insist on such continual drivel. Please look at a map and world ocean currents and winds before saying oil north of the Falklands is going to pollute us - let alone your coast! The nearset site to us shows a less that 20% risk and that only in exceptional unusual weather circumstances.
    Compare also UK Safety Standards and US Safety Standards - you will likley find a few differences in them and the industry approach,
    The Islands Govt is advised by UK and applies their standards in our zone. Over 3500 wells drilled around u=Uk - not one noticeable spill
    Fernando- yes I told you what is written on the front of my passport -could you not read?
    Bingham - long since dealt with by many others. The directorship of Falklands Concservation - Marco as already explained - there are NO Directors. Trustees yes, Lewis Clifton has not appeared on the list for some time. Get you facts up to date please!
    Are we moaning about the gold deposits in Patagonia - of course not they are yours legally. Oil offshore here IF and I repeat IF there is any in commercial volume that is worth extracting - belongs to the Islands,Britain is very very clear on that . get used to the reality boys. If it is there - you get your share 0 pesos.

    Sep 06th, 2010 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Fernando_A

    “Compare also UK Safety Standards and US Safety Standards - you will likley find a few differences in them and the industry approach..”

    Yeah.. UK's standards, truly impressive, they work really well. When's the last time Argentina spilled oil all over the god damned place?

    Your passport says United kingdom, you're English. We don't care about your stupid semantics they mean nothing to us, get it through your heads.

    By the way.. Kingdom? If that's a Kingdom, then Argentina is what.. a GALAXY?? You've got some nerve calling yourselves a “kingdom”.. it's really laughable.

    Sep 07th, 2010 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marco

    islander “Lewis Clifton has not appeared on the list for some time”
    Ok, but do you know why?

    ”Mr Clifton, a Falklands resident, was the founding director of Desire, set up in 1996 to explore for oil and gas in the islands
    The Speaker of the Falkland Islands’ legislative council has been fined by the Financial Services Authority (FSA) for insider dealing.
    Mr Clifton, who resigned as a director of Desire yesterday(February 4, 2009)...
    “As well as being the latest FSA scalp in its campaign against market abuse, Mr Clifton is the second man linked to the Falklands to be fined on insider-dealing charges”

    http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/banking_and_finance/article5659182.ece

    Sep 07th, 2010 - 02:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    No he was voted out Marco, its called democracy. The entire executive was replaced last year.

    Sep 07th, 2010 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Typhoon

    “The book, by prominent journalist Sylvina Walger, describes Nestor Kirchner, the former leader, as a “parallel president” who takes all the important decisions for Cristina and flies into a fury if she disobeys him.”
    “All that's left of that marriage is the question of how to divide the spoils of power,” says Walger.“
    ”Walger's unflattering portrayal of Nestor Kirchner will thrill political opponents, who regard with horror his prospect of winning a second term in next year's elections. He is described in the book as “mean, petty, vengeful and envious”.
    “One reason she goes on so many foreign trips, says Walger, is to scout for mansions for the couple's eventual retirement.”
    “The Kirchners have certainly prospered. The 600% growth in their personal fortune, to almost 12 million USD, since 2003 has prompted allegations of corruption since their combined annual income as President and former president is only $157,000. Opposition leaders have accused the couple of using inside information to engage in currency speculation.
    The Kirchners own a luxury hotel and other businesses in the Patagonian resort of El Calafate and, according to Walger, a former Peronist militant, they also have 19 houses and 14 flats.”

    Oh what fun it is when the truth starts to come out

    Sep 07th, 2010 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    “Yeah.. UK's standards, truly impressive, they work really well. When's the last time Argentina spilled oil all over the god damned place?”

    “No oil-drilling rigs are operating in Argentina’s own expansive waters, largely because many oil companies are wary of working in Argentina these days, analysts say. “There are very few companies exploring the Argentine sea,” he said. “There should be a lot more.” ”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/26/world/americas/26argentina.html

    There have been hardly any oil spills around the UK coast. Especially seeing as we have a very large oil industry, A few tankers have leaked.

    “Your passport says United kingdom, you're English. We don't care about your stupid semantics they mean nothing to us, get it through your heads. ”

    Oh look, you said something stupid again. A british person is not an english person, there are 18 different types of “British” people, from scottish british to British Anguian.

    Also, A kingdom is just a state with a monarch as it's head, that is the definition of the word, why do we have a nerve calling ourselves something we are? We have a queen.

    Sep 07th, 2010 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Frenando,
    Top of the class! You have just insulted every Scots,Welsh and Northern Ireland person for starters by telling them they are English!!
    Several thousand people live in your own country, many born there who also have UK passports - are they English as well!! Of course not they are Argentines - who happen to also hold a UK passport and British nationality - as do many Spanish/Italians etc.
    What a chump!! Argentina a Galaxy you suggest - yes indeed there are times when it acts as if it is in the Galaxay of Fantasia.

    Marco - see post 88 - you see we have this strange thing called democracy here and anything comes up and is found out(we are humans and not all infallible) - out the voters put you. Can you say the same for the massive wealth creation of your elite family since they came to power - let alone the money-in-the -suitcase episode?

    Sep 07th, 2010 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    My passport says United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, being Scottish I take umbrage at being laeblled English. I'll put it down to difficulty hearing owing to the fact your head is up your ass.

    Just out of curiousity I looked up the safety record of the Argentine oil industry and what do you know, it isn't that great:

    http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/jan2008/2008-01-02-03.html

    A mystery oil spill, the first they knew about it was when the oil washed up on shore; didn't even know where it came from. You might like to compare this with the incidents in British waters where an emergency action plan swung into place immediately.

    http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/jan2008/2008-01-02-03.html

    Collision that threatened BA, funnily enough it was foreign registered vessels operating in Argentine waters.

    So the answer to the question about the last time Argentina spulled oil; not that long ago.

    In comparison, the British standards are much higher. Are we surprised?

    Sep 07th, 2010 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marco

    “In comparison, the British standards are much higher. Are we surprised?”????

    Prince Charles embarks on lavish train trip to spread green message

    “According to Buckingham Palace's own financial reports, the Royal Train costs approximately £500K a year to maintain before it even turns a wheel. An obscene extravagance.”

    Bored on board?
    The most eyebrow-raising entertainment option is Extreme Maniacs, cert 15, which appears to have come free with a copy of Bizarre – a gore and fetish sex magazine

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/sep/06/prince-charles-green-train-campaign

    Sep 07th, 2010 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Marco, if you read a more balanced newpaper you would have learnt that the trian is powered bu BioDiesel - hence the emphasis on environmental issues. One day you might manage a day without falling flat.

    Sep 07th, 2010 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    but marco you told us we live on a small island it wont cost that much to travel around surely

    Sep 07th, 2010 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marco

    Interesting comment over that article
    “Neither he nor his advisers have a clue about green issues. This isn't quite so bad as him chartering a jumbo to take his staff to the US to receive a 'green' award like he did a few years age, but it shows the same lack of thinking or understanding what it means to adopt green attitudes.
    I personally object to my tax being used in this wasteful and ostentatious way. Will someone please tell him that this is the 21st century and not the 19th, we have no need to be lectured about green issues by a clown who clearly doesn't understand them.
    For me, this is yet another good reason to declare a Republic as soon as the Queen dies.”
    I will add:
    Will someone please tell him that this is the 21st century and not the 19th
    , Malvinas is an old colony and 8000 miles from UK, and must be returned to Argentina.

    Sep 07th, 2010 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    Drill,drill, drill. Flow, flow, flow. Oil,oil, oil. Also gas, gas, gas. Money, money money.

    Falkland Islands are British and will remain so until the Islanders say otherwise.

    “Argies” must go back to Italy and Spain where they belong.

    Sep 07th, 2010 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    http://en.mercopress.com/2008/06/06/argentine-president-denies-shopping-spree-in-rome

    People in glass houses and all that.

    And will someone nail Marco to a cross fitted with loudspeakers chanting “the Falklands aren't a colony ya dumb schmuck” till he gets it.

    Anyone spot the usual dodging of the issue, tedious isn't it.

    Sep 07th, 2010 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marco

    The Guardian
    “People sometimes ask me why Argentinians make such an endless fuss about the islands they call Las Malvinas. The answer is simple. The Falklands belong to Argentina. They just happen to have been seized, occupied, populated and defended by Britain. Because Argentina's claim is perfectly valid, its dispute with Britain will never go away,”

    Sep 07th, 2010 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    its dispute with Britain will never go away,”

    Bit like marco the little dog humping your leg

    Sep 07th, 2010 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    How many times does the dimwit have to post the same message?

    Sep 07th, 2010 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    ”away go never will Britain with dispute its ,valid perfectly is claim Argentina’s Because .Britain by defended and populated ,occupied ,seized been have to happen just They .Argentina to belong Falklands The .Malvinas Las call they islands the about fuss endless and such make Argentinians why me ask sometimes People”
    Guardian The

    Sep 07th, 2010 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Marco, very simple test for you. If the claim is as valid as you claim- Why will Argentina not take it unilaterally to the International Court of Justice?
    Why?

    What also does the rest of the free world not solidly support Argentina with SOLID actions over it? Note - I want to have the list of solid concrete actions - not just a bit of verbage in the OAS or Decolonisation Commitee etc.
    Why has the UN not ordered Britain to leave and placed international sanctions on us ?

    Sep 07th, 2010 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • jorge!

    I replay for Marco. UK controls the UN along USA. Very simple answer, islander. But don't worry, that won't be that way for ever!!! :-)

    Sep 07th, 2010 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • harrier61

    Margo is repeating himself - again.
    Twinky is clearly backward.
    And gorge? gorge is just a dozy sh**e.

    Sep 07th, 2010 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    104 jorge!:

    The UN has not supported either side, if we controlled the UN, they would side with us.

    Your logic fails.

    Sep 07th, 2010 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marco

    Jorge is right, and also UK has the power of veto.

    The Falkland Islands constitute one of the last remnants of British colonialism, part of a history of economic piracy stained with the blood of millions who suffered as a consequence. The sooner this history is brought to a close the better

    Sep 07th, 2010 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Marco, Yes UK has a veto. But do you seriously think for one moment that IF Argentian was correct in in the validity of the claim that UK would get away with it! UK would be hounded by the Assembly and the Security Council and even the US and France would get the UK,s veto declared void on this issue!
    Funny that you make such a song and dance over a few words from the Comittee of 24 -which has no power - yet when I suggest the real power - ”oh the UN is biased!!! I guess the independent IJC is as well - noticed that neither of you answered that one!

    Sep 08th, 2010 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marco

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Sep 08th, 2010 - 01:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    I suggest everyone just report him every time he spams.

    Sep 08th, 2010 - 06:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • dab14763

    The Security Council is the only UN organ where the UK has a veto. And, as the name suggests, it deals mostly with security issues. Neither it nor the General Assembly, nor any of the GA's subsidiary bodies such as the Decolonisation Commitee can determine sovereignty of a territory. The only UN organ that can determine sovereignty is the ICJ, and at the ICJ the UK has no veto.

    Sep 08th, 2010 - 07:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    The Falklands debate in a nutshell....

    Argentine: “The UN supports us”

    Briton: “It doesn't actually”

    Argentine: The UN supports us, look at this press release from the UN C24“.

    Briton: ”It doesn't actually, that is the press release reporting what Argentina claimed.“

    Argentine: The UN supports us, look at these resolutions.”

    Briton: “Err no again, those resolutions call for negotiations, which Britain did until 1982 and since then Argentina has shown no intention to negotiate merely to demand talks with its pre-determined outcome. Britain is only prepared to negotiate on behalf of the Falklanders. Oh and by the way, remember resolution 502”.

    Argentine: “Cough, cough, the UN supports us, UN 1514 calls for decolonisation.”

    Briton: “Yes it does but decolonisation is predicated on the self-determination rights of the inhabitants, imposing an alien Government and culture would be to create a colonial situation. Effectively the Falklands are decolonised, they have devolved Government and they prefer to retain the link with the UK. That they remain on the C24 list is down to the fact the C24 lost its way a long time ago and no longer fulfils its primary function of assisting the people of dependent territories. It is now a forum for countries like Argentina to grand stand their illogical irredentist claims whilst avoiding any body that can actually give a judgement. ”

    Argentine: “The UN supports us, so there.”

    Briton: “In which case, take it to the ICJ”

    Argentine: “But the UN is biased, Britain has a veto”

    Briton: “Err no, the veto only applies to the Security Council, not the General Assembly and at the ICJ no one has a veto. Oh and didn't you say the UN supports you”

    Argentine: “Errr, errr, errr, errr, mumble, mumble, grumble, .... the dog ate my homework”

    Then spam 10 year old Guardian articles ad infinitum to have the last word.

    Sep 08th, 2010 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Fernando_A

    Actually the “last word” statement was mine, you're stilling it.. “go step on a mine make yourself useful”, mine to, I claim copyrights on both if you use them again I'll take it to the UN

    lol

    Sep 08th, 2010 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    Fernando, place the palm of your hand on your face.

    Sep 08th, 2010 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • harrier61

    @111. ”The United Nations General Assembly (UNGA/GA) is one of the six principal organs of the United Nations and the only one in which all member nations have equal representation. Its powers are to oversee the budget of the United Nations, appoint the non-permanent members to the Security Council, receive reports from other parts of the United Nations and make recommendations in the form of General Assembly Resolutions“.
    ”Although General Assembly resolutions are generally non-binding towards member states, internal resolutions may be binding on the operation of the General Assembly itself, for example with regard to budgetary and procedural matters.”

    Erm, how unfortunate. Seems as though the only people who really matter at the UN are the 15 members of the Security Council.

    Sep 08th, 2010 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    harrier61

    The ICJ is independent of the security council and the permanent members do not have a veto.

    Fernando,

    Abba fan by any chance?

    I suppose the irony of avoiding the issue to post nonsense to have the last word, whilst accusing others of having the last word, thereby having the last word passed you by.

    Sep 08th, 2010 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marco

    Talking crap about “self-determination”; that´s a right of “colonized” peoples, not “colonizers” ones (as international law clearly points). It would be funny (and pathetic) to see chinese people claiming “self-determination” within Tibet, after been settled there by an invasion and military occupation... This is the same thing; UK government is fully aware of this too. Should I remind you about the Chagossians and their Self-Determination?

    Sep 08th, 2010 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • axel arg

    JUSTIN KUNTZ:
    I have an answer form you in teh articule of september first, the headline is, the us and the uk blast cristina etc etc, in spite that we never agree, unless with you i can debate.

    Sep 08th, 2010 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • J.A. Roberts

    Marco, you are the one talking crap. You obviously don't have a clue. Self determination is the right of all peoples, and that includes the Falkland Islanders and what's more their right to self determination is not inferred, it is explicitly stated, clearly and unambiguously in several UN SC Resolutions.

    I also love the way you bring up the Chagossians, yet what they experienced is EXACTLY what you suggest for the Falkland Islanders. You obviously have not thought it through very much (or at all). Prat!

    Sep 08th, 2010 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marco

    Wrong, J.A. Roberts, The large majority of Argentinians do not want the islanders to suffered what the chagossians suffered and are suffering by the british like you. We do not care if they remain in our islands the same way many british do in our mainland.

    About the ICJ, are you aware that The United States withdrew from compulsory jurisdiction in 1986, and so accepts the court's jurisdiction only on a case-to-case basis and Should a judge die in office, the practice has generally been to elect a judge of the same nationality to complete the term and Since the 1960s four of the five permanent members of the Security Council (France, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States) have always had a judge on the Court.

    Sep 08th, 2010 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    Marco,

    In any case involving the ICJ both sides have to agree the judges for the case and of course a British judge would not sit on a case involving the UK. What relevance the US has to the matter at hand is baffling me.

    And again they're not your islands, imposition of Argentine rule would impose an alien Government and culture and to be frank no one believes that Argentina would treat the islanders with benevolence. You've spent the last century whipping up hate against them, so no one really believes that.

    Sep 08th, 2010 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marco

    “You've spent the last century whipping up hate against them”
    Nice try, coming out from a racist like you not even you mother will believe your statement.

    28 JustinKuntz (#)
    Sep 08th, 2010 - 03:27 pm
    “ I've just reported Marco's spamming, I suggest others do the same”

    Why? You are not enogh man to handle freedom of speech yourself. I see why Dr. Bingham had to escape to mainland Argentina.

    Sep 08th, 2010 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • harrier61

    @116 Justin. I don't get your point. I agree that the ICJ is independent of the Security Council but I don't follow “the permanent members do not have a veto.” The permanent members of the Security Council are the only ones that DO have a veto.

    As far as Margo is concerned, he should just be ignored. He is, after all, an ignoramus. How could anyone with anyone with anything between their ears suggest that the Falkland Islanders, a people with an indisputable right to self-determination and retention of their own country, could or should accept the sovereignty of a bunch of mongrel immigrants?

    Sep 08th, 2010 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • J.A. Roberts

    Marco, the Falklands are not Argentine territory and never have been. You have no more right to the Falklands than you do to Uruguay or Paraguay.

    Sep 08th, 2010 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Fernando_A

    J. A. what a fresh perspective haha

    Sep 08th, 2010 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • dab14763

    @Justin 121
    “In any case involving the ICJ both sides have to agree the judges for the case and of course a British judge would not sit on a case involving the UK. What relevance the US has to the matter at hand is baffling me.”

    Justin, this isn't correct. Litigants don't get to choose the judges. What would happen is that since Argentina doesn't currently have a judge on the bench it can nominate a judge ad hoc to look out for its interests. This is what both Argentina and Uruguay did in the Botnia mill case. The judge ad hoc doesn't have to be from the litigant country. There can be 15 judges if the case is decided only by all the permanent members, fewer than 15 if any judge decides not to sit on a case, or more if any judge ad hoc is added to the 15 in a case.

    Sep 08th, 2010 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • J.A. Roberts

    It might not be fresh Fernando, but it's a fact which has not changed in nearly 180 years...

    Sep 08th, 2010 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    @dab14763

    Thank you for correcting me, I was under the impression that judges were one of the things that had to be agreed.

    Sep 08th, 2010 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alvaro

    Hi Justin, do you live in Stanley?. I visited this city from Chile some years ago. I had a lot of fun at Deano( I believe that was the name). Hello to everyone in Stanley.

    Sep 08th, 2010 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • axel arg

    JUSTIN KUNTZ:
    I already answered you comment in the articule of september first.

    Sep 08th, 2010 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • harrier61

    What's an articule?

    Sep 09th, 2010 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alvaro

    Don't know harrier, but cul., is a body part.

    Sep 09th, 2010 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • jorge!

    106 Zethee, yes!! UN is on your side. They don't need to say “UK is rigth”, they just need to support the status-quo to side with you and they are doing it quite well! But again, that won't last for ever! You'll will have to swallow your pride one day!

    Sep 10th, 2010 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    Thats funny, usually you claim that they are on Argentina's side.

    Sep 10th, 2010 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    Indeed, you're always claiming the UN supports you.

    Sep 10th, 2010 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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