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Disagreement over terrorist extradition could sour Chile/Argentine relations
After a lack of agreement in Chile over the extradition of ex guerrilla member Sergio Apablaza, Argentina President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner said that the meeting held with President Sebastián Piñera was an “excellent” one, during declarations made to seemingly minimize the situation. Read full article
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Sep 20th, 2010 - 06:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0I seem to remember the Yanks were reluctant to extradite IRA escapees, came to bite them in the arse some years later.
That´s what happen with lefties Gvt. They never respect the human rights, just uses them to their subjects.
Sep 20th, 2010 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The highest court in Aggentina said that the terrorist must be extradited, but the Gvt. is opposing it because the pressure of comunist “human rights organizations” even UN stated that terrorism acussed hvae not been protected by assylum.
Good friends?'?? Yeap...
R.I.P. Argentina
Courts and established laws are meaningless in a banana republic. The laws are used only in ways to help the current government or hurt their opposition. It is a joke both Ks and all of their cronies will be in jail or Miami as soon as their government falls. It is just a matter of time.
Sep 20th, 2010 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0SERGIO VEGA. FREDBDC.
Sep 20th, 2010 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0SERGIO: Did you hear the defence of apablaza?,you hear that hes lawyer said that the only one conection betwen apablaza and senator's guzman assessination, was that apablaza joined the manuel rodriguez agrupation.
Anyway the cause is already in the hands of the justice, and it will judge if he should be extradited or not.
On the other hand, dont mix the mistakes of the gov., with the fight for human rights, maybe the posture that my gov. has on the apablaza's situation is not correct, but like us or not , we must recognize that after that nestor kirchner's administration derogated the indults for the torturers,we could start to judge them, my country, is the only one from latina america wich is judging the dictatorship.
FREDBDC: What else could say a hipocrite fascist like you, i wonder once and again what kind of moral authority, do you have to criticise the negative aspects of my country?, it's evident that you have a very fragil memory, or mabe you only remember what is convenient to your ideological posture.
If you lock at your past, and arround you, you'll see that in some aspects, your country is not much better than our's, and you know it.
Beside, it's notable how you invoke, the fact that our gov. is falling, you should know that the worst that can happen to any country, is that it's government falls, just remember what happened during 2001.
You should be honest with your self, and recognize once and for all that you dont give a shit about the furure of argentina, you can't wait untill you see it falling again, because you want a government that could become my country one more time in your backyerd.
Finally, if you would have unless a minor idea about what kind of opposition we have, you could realize that it even 100 times worst than k.
If Chile is so worried now about Human Rights, then why didn't they put the fascist, disgusting and killer Pinochet in jail?
Sep 20th, 2010 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Piñera & co. must love their hipocresy! They even wanted to see off Pinochet as if he were a former president and with honours!!!!!! These people still don't known anything about human rights, they are just looking for revenge!!!
These people still don't known anything about human rights, they are just looking for revenge!!!
Sep 21st, 2010 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0It sounds familiar.
Seems like axel is back with one of his intelligent, intellectual, balanced views.
Sep 21st, 2010 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tell us something, axel. What dragged you up instead of giving you a proper upbringing? Since I am undoubtedly older and more developed than you, I can tell you that your method of addressing people would lead me to give you a sharp tap on the back of the head....with a baseball bat. Based on the way you “speak” on here, you are not fit to be involved with the upbringing of young people.
TYPHON.
Sep 21st, 2010 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry if you dont like my methods, i am not here to become into a friend of some of you, i only give my opinion, like you do.
Beside, if some one undrestimates my country, or insult it, dont wait me to send him flowers, why dont read what some of your countrymen say about my country, and you'll understand my reaction, i can have many diferences with the u.k., or usa, or any other nation, but i respect all of them, that's something that some of your compatriots dont do when they adress to my country, anyway i would never give any sharp on nobody's head, i only would give an answer, and that's all, i can debate with out using any violence.
axel. Go on. Expand your argument, please. Explain how addressing someone as “moron” or “hipocrite fascist” is acceptable because they don't agree with you. It hardly demonstrates the “respect” you continually harp on about, does it? God have pity on any young people who get into your clutches. You are a disgrace to the profession of teaching.
Sep 22nd, 2010 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0“i can debate with out using any violence.” No, you can't. Words such as those I have pointed out pepper your comments. This is known as verbal assault.
Axel, I am lost in your spanglish and grammar. I don't understand what you are trying to say. Plus, I don't think you know the definition of most of the English words you re trying to use.
Sep 22nd, 2010 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with Typhoon, I don't think you are qualified to be a teacher but I have said that before.
BTW I do want your government to fail along with the economy, it will happen and I can wait it out. I have been watching a house I used to rent go from 650K to 350K, I originally offered them 225K in 2003 so by the next crash I will be able to get it for the price I wanted or less. Then let my brother-in-law live there and take care of it for me until we are ready to retire. I only want it for Jan and Feb to escape the US winter so I can wait until the next crash. I know it's is coming I just don't know when it will happen but it will be the worst you have ever seen.
Oh goody. Last time I looked Argentine currency is worth one one hundred thousand millionth of what is was worth 30 years ago.
Sep 22nd, 2010 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's 1 current peso = 100,000,000,000 1980 pesos. How far do you think it'll go next time?
10 fredbdc, what type of imbecile are you? Argentina is doing well and your country will split into 5 new ones as a russian expert forecasted a few months ago. lol
Sep 22nd, 2010 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In order to gorge, you need a small brain and a big mouth. Does this remind us of anyone?
Sep 22nd, 2010 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bahahaha, I didn't hear about that until just now and according to him it happened last June and DC is part of Europe and Texas part of Mexico. Jorge thanks for the great laugh!
Sep 22nd, 2010 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here is another:
http://videos.lanacion.com.ar/video820-cartoneros-primera-parte
Rich as an argentine
FREDBDC. TYPHON.
Sep 22nd, 2010 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0FREDBDC: You understand perfectly what i am trying to say, you are a shit, but not idiot, anyway, unless for the first time you are honest, and recognized finally that it's convenient for you that my government falls , but dont sing victory so soon, because maybe you see a new crash in your country before it happens in argentina.
Moreover your speculations, we must judge what happened in real life, when the international crisis started, many of those speudo economist like you, who are actually diviners, forecasted that my country was going to default again, my question is, did it happen finally?, of course not, and now our economy will close the year with a growth of 9% (by private analist).
So, dear fred, your desperate wish of a new crash for my country, will have to wait, you will have to do so much lobby to achieve it, beside you dont need my country to have a new crisis to make a good bussiness in argentina.
TYPHOON: It seems that it's a good strategy for you to play the victim, i already told you why i react in the way i do, if you dont like it sorry, i'm not interested on winning your admiration.
Axel, All the Ks have done devalue the peso and pump huge amounts of stolen money into the country. It is a temporary high like paco (crack) and it's great while it lasts but the crash is a bummer.
Sep 22nd, 2010 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let's see what happens in the next couple of years. Why don't you look at Venezuela now as compared to before Chavez, it is the same playbook the Ks are using. That should tell you where your country is heading.
Go for it, axel. Out there indoctinating the next crop of brain dead Argentine cannon fodder, are you?
Sep 23rd, 2010 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0The main reason why Peronist candidates so often win elections despite their movement’s appalling record is the widespread assumption that, while they may not be much good when it comes to governing the country, they are more than capable of ensuring that nobody else can do it. Years of experience have taught them that the protection racket they have devised pays off so, as politicians warm up in preparation for the election season, Peronist hopefuls are warning us that their Radical and Civic Coalition rivals may be splendid people, but they are far too soft to be entrusted with the task of governing as quarrelsome a country as Argentina.
Sep 23rd, 2010 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/BreakingNews/View/45985
FREDBDC:
Sep 23rd, 2010 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Omitions, omitions and more omitions from you.
Firstly the progress of my country is not based mostly on what you call stolen money.
The framework of our economy are the comoditys exports and the metal mecanic industry, this is why soya taxes are so important for us.
Beside i remind you that any of your failed predictions finally happened, let me tell you that you, and your pathetic gurus, are less realiable than our indec.
Anyway you are right when you say that the radical politic party are splendid people, i hope that ricardo alfonsin wins the elections next year, he is the only one poltician from the opossition who really worths.
I regret absolutly for having voted the civic coalition in 2007, it's just an absolut shit, it's the main supporters of the stablishment.
However, if alfonsin does not win, then i really hope that nestor is relected, because all the rest of the opossition are no more than crap, who are submitted to the most conserveness power in argentina.
I must recognize that there is something that i still can't refute, when you invoke the future of my country, i can't say what could happen, because my country has cicles, there is no any continuation betwen diferent governments, but i have the hope that next governments will continue with many of the politics of the actual administration, and will improve some of then, because since 2003 there are many very good achievements, and it will be a huge politic cost if some idiot eliminates them.
Anyway i can't take as serious any of your predictions because since 2003 i hear all the time about soposed catastrophic facts, and finally nothing happens, so, dear fred, lest see what happens in argentina in the future.
Finally rober cox is in argentina, (ex director of the bs as herald during the dictatorship), i could see him in our public television, and it's very important to hear hes opinion about argentina.
What the russian expert said about your country will happen! Wich country will you be in? lol
Sep 24th, 2010 - 07:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well Jorge I am living in the capital of the richest, most powerful country in the world. I'm pretty happy about it. What about you?
Sep 25th, 2010 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Axel: You took 1000 words to say absolutely nothing. You know nothing about economics and you are too ignorant to have a decent debate. As I have said many times you need an economic course, and what is really scary is most of your country is just like you temporarily living in ignorant bliss then wondering what happened when it all comes crashing down.
FREDBDC:
Sep 25th, 2010 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry if i dont say what you like to read, anyway i agree with you when you say that i need an economic course, but i dont need to be economist to refute most you say, since 2003 i hear all the time from gurus like you, that my country is going to fall very soon, i ask you once and again, did it finally happen?, of course not, van i believ in you false prediction, or should i doubt of them?.
So fred, be serious, and dont insist with your failed predictions, because like i said before, no one knows what could happen in the future, not even you imagen that you would be living acrisis in 2009.
I can use 2000 or 5000 words, and your idiot intransigence wont let you recognize no more than what you believe, you and i can believe whatever we want to be happy, but the most important are the facts, and sice 2003, they dont favour your assertions.
Regarding our city. i'm sure that washington is a great city, but ours is amazing too, i love to walk on saturday night along buenos aires city, when i go to dance.
I used to like walking around BA too. Until I grew tired of the cartoneros throwing garbage all over the streets and filthy starving children coming up to me to beg. It was pretty gross.
Sep 25th, 2010 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are right I can't predict what will happen in ten years, but if you look out a 25/50/100 years The USA will be richer and Argentina will be poorer just like it was in the last 60 years. It is flabbergasting that you are taking a brief 7 year period and trying to extrapolate it out. Try a 50/100 years and see what you get. You don't need an economics degree to see that 30% inflation will kill your economy.
Again, I don't care what happens WHEN the crash comes I will go and buy the house I want until then I will enjoy watching the country implode.
FREDBDC:
Sep 27th, 2010 - 01:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0The cartoneros, and the children who begg, are part of the sad and serious side of our society, ¿dont you have sad and serious sides in yours?, ¿is your country so wonderfull that there are not serious problems?.
Beside you contradict your self, you say that you can't predict what will happen in 10 years, however you assure that in 25 50 or 100 years, the usa will be richer, and argentina poorer, that shows how rediculous you are.
Beside you dont know a shit about what was the state of our country in the last 60 years, read about our history, and dont parrot ignorant assertions, the true economic and social decline of my country started in 1976, and the worst happened during the 90. Before 1976, in spite of the serious politic and institutional problems that we had, my country was a very equal society, there was just a 4% of unemploitment, and 10% of poor people.
On the other hand, i know perfectly thta you dont care in absolut what could happen if the crash comes, i can't wait anything better from a shit like you, but like i told you before, dont spit to up, because it can fall into your face, i did it when i was younger and idiot like you, maybe you have a new crash in your country before it happens in argentina.
Regarding our inflation level, i told you ten times that even the most orthodox econmists in this country contradict your failed predictions, anyway i wont assure anything about what could happen in the future, because no body knows.
I was trying to show you a pattern that you can't see with only 10 years of data but you can see with 50 or 100. You are absolutely wrong about your country. Peron ruined your economy and society and that started about 60 years ago. Argentina went from one of the richest countries in the world to one of the poorest in the last 60 years. Slow and steady decline that will only be worse in another 20 years unless you make drastic changes.
Sep 27th, 2010 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0FREDBDC:
Sep 27th, 2010 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your ignorance is really evident, you only have the tipical anglo anti peronist opinion, but actually you dont know a shit about our history.
I already explained you three times, that peron was demagogue, and authoritarian, beside hes presidence was almost a dictatorship, he closed the congress, and put in prison some politicians who were from the opposition. But, i can't deny that no one made as much as him for the workers untill 1946, beside he industrialized much more the country, and believed also in the economic independence, as you an see, i am not peronist, i only recognize what was made right and wrong.
Regarding the ruin of my country, it's true that my country was he seventh richest economy in the world, however, there was no any redistribution of the national rent, there were no any social laws, and most people lived in very bad conditions, the privilege of being a rich nation was enjoined by a few oligarchs who were the owners of the lands, on the other hand, in that time my country was just a pseudo british colony, the british handled most our economy.
Beside those oligarchs were so imbecil, that they didn't profit all that opulence, to industrialize the country, the u.k. was the factory of the world, and we only could sell corns and beefs.
Moreover your usuall resentment and stupidity, you should read much more about our history, or you'll keep on being the same pathetic ignorant who types crap in this forum with out having not even one line of objetivity.
Axel: I have read of lot of Argentinian history. Most of your “rulers” I will call them that even though they may have been elected. Were demagogues, corrupt, butchers only looking out for themselves and their cronies. Unfortunately nothing has changed.
Sep 27th, 2010 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0FREDBDC:
Sep 28th, 2010 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am sure that you have been reading so much about our history, but your problem is that you dont have not even one line of objetivity, you only see the bad side of our country, i have always recognized the failures, and the bad side of our rulers, but i must recognize too what was made right, no one is a saint, or a total devil, all of them made mistakes, but some of them made good achievements too for our country, my question is, ¿why can't you have any obetivity?, why dont you left behind for a while your resentement and bad faith, and be impartial?.
Argentina is very similar in size, population and climate to the Eastern 1/3 of the USA. We have both been in existence for 200yrs. Yet your country is one of the poorest and most corrupt in the world. I don't see the grand achievements you think you have made. All I see is a temporary fix to structural issues.
Sep 28th, 2010 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Until the Argentinians are willing to take the pain, rout out corruption and accept a free market economy you will be poorer every year and eventually end up like Venezuela or Bolivia. The only reason you are not there now is because your land is incredibly rich and was capable of sustaining the population in the past. As the population grows it has become poorer every years sine 1940 and I don't see that changing any time in my lifetime.
FREDBDC:
Sep 28th, 2010 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are a mixture of ignorance and bad faith.
Fisrtly, my country joins the group of the countrys wich have a hight human development, search it on line, it has the highest salarys of latin america, it's social situation improved so much, i gave you the data of private analists in many oportunitys, however we have still a very unequal society.
Regarding our past, i already refuted your arguments, if you prefer to insist on your ignorant assertions, that's your choice.
On the other hand, you made an important point, what you can't tolerate is that my country does not accept a free market economy, i already explained you that the protectionism of our economy, does not impide foreign investments, in fact this is year it's going to represent 23 points of the gdp, like in brasil and others countrys, so, keep on vomiting all your ignorance, i can't tell what you do with your life, it soposes that you are an adult, but your bad faith wont impide that we can keep on improving our situation, and it will take many years.
Argentina had 4B in foreign direct investment last year, where are you getting 23% of GDP, that would be ridiculously high. Now it is ridiculously low because you don't respect private property rights.
Sep 28th, 2010 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine FDI dropped off sharper than the other leading regional econo0mies. Investment was lower than that received by Peru, and Argentina fell from fourth to fifth place as a South American FDI destination, ProsperAr said.
FRED:
Sep 28th, 2010 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I dont know who is telling the truth, i only rode by diferent economys that foreign investment represent 23 pomits of the gdp, and intern investment represent also 23 points of the gdp, anyway moreover the protectionism, it does not impide that our economy growths at hight rates, like it or not.
On the other hand, i coud read that in the usa, one bank proposed our governmnet to borrow funds at a rate of 8 or 9%, but the government rejected that posibility because it does not need it.
I think what you are trying to say is that foreign corporations account for 23% of your GDP. That I believe. It is incredibly high but shows that there is very little innovation or entrepreneurship in Argentina. Most of your factories, technology, etc was brought in by foreigners and only assembled/produced domestically with the profits being repatriated to the home country. That is very bad for your country. It means your people are not smart enough or too lazy to create capital and they are letting the foreigners do it for them. Argentina is just providing the labor. Maybe that is why CFK keeps reducing the peso? Must keep the people working. So what happens next year? Does it go to 6/1U$ where does it stop? Take a look at Venezuela and you will see where that leads.
Sep 29th, 2010 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Since some of your outstanding bond rates are 14-16% I would think your government would want to pay them off with a lower rate or pay off the Paris Club debt. Why don't you consider that it may not be the rate CFK is worried about but the possibility of the bonds being embargoed by the remaining holdouts. It's just political spin Axel and you fall for it every time.
FREDBDC:
Sep 29th, 2010 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are misinformed again, we have so many national production of electronic products, but we have also so many foreign capitals, and that's great, because it creates jobs.
Beside the ministery of industry funds a lot of productive projects that promote national industry, for the first time in years, and after the fucking last decade, when planty of national industrys were in the broke, because of the indiscrimated imports, with out any protection to our national work.
We are in process to reindustrialize the country, in fact, since 2003 untill 2009, industrial manufactures, were those wich grown the most.
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